/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6732902]

Does this thing have serious fans on here who think it's better than PS1 and N64?

Why?
Explain yourselves.

[Anonymous No.6732910]

>>6732902
Unfortunately Saturn fags are real, but in all honesty, it's not that bad. When I had a Saturn I thought it was cool as fuck, until I realized it's library isn't really that great unless you can read moon runes. Definitely not better than PS1, but it's about equal to N64 in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.6732917]

It’s 3rd but it’s still a damn good console with some great games. Dragon Force and PDS really stand out as all time greats

[Anonymous No.6732920]

>>6732902
Hipster segafags who are most likely trolling, they'll sing praise for the system but never talk about the games or discuss what they're playing on them ever. Probably just collect the games but don't give a shit about them outside their monetary value. People who were alive back then hated the thing though and most jumped ship to Playstation and never looked back.

[Anonymous No.6732925]

>>6732902
AM2 games

[Anonymous No.6732936]

>Sega Saturn: 1092 games
>N64: 386 games

PS1 beats both but let's be honest here. If you were stuck having to play one console for the rest of your life, N64 could keep you entertained for a month tops. Sega Saturn would keep you fulfilled for much longer with its varied, high quality library.

[Anonymous No.6732939]

>>6732936
500 of those are shitty majong games probably

[Anonymous No.6732942]

As I've gotten older and my tastes have changed, and as I've explored the import library, yes, I do think the Saturn has a better library than the N64. But, I think the N64 was the best console for that time period and I'm glad I had one.

[Anonymous No.6732945]

>>6732936
>muh library size
Quality > Quantity

[Anonymous No.6732947]

>>6732939
Swing and a miss. There were only 38 mahjong-based games for the Sega Saturn.

>>6732945
Another flawed criticism. The average rating for Sega Saturn games is 7.8/10.

[Anonymous No.6732951]

>>6732902
Saturn:
>first online home console
>larger library
>peak aesthetics
>more ram
>better processor

[Anonymous No.6732954]

>>6732947
>Another flawed criticism. The average rating for Sega Saturn games is 7.8/10.
Where did you get that metric from? Your ass?

[Anonymous No.6732963]

>>6732936
This. I could spend years playing Saturn games trying to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.6733082]

>>6732902
There is nothing to explain. I had both Saturn and PSX during the 90s. And the Saturn was better in every way. I used to import 40 - 50 new playstation games every month. Most of them were utter rubbish. And the handful of PSX games that were worth playing, werent worth keeping. So i sold my PSX's in 99, and kept the Saturn which i still play games on till this day. Most of the Saturn hate comes from sony indoctrinated casual fags. Which are the cancer of this hobby.

[Anonymous No.6733105]

>>6732951
>first online home console
Why do people lie on the internet

[Anonymous No.6733112]

>>6732902
I can understand and respect the people who main it, but anybody who ranks it second is a fuckin' dork.

[Anonymous No.6733143]

>>6732902
it's more powerful than playstation to a degree that would've been obvious if devs had gotten used to it, and the N64 doesn't use CDs so it was never going to be capable of hitting the same sorts of niches. it was badly mismanaged and never got enough of a foothold to have the edge in library but it has enough quality titles that people can legitimately prefer it over either or both of its competitors. easily a more interesting sega system than the wildly-overrated dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6733170]

>>6733143
This is the Saturn, not the Sega System. Fucking zoomer retard.

[Anonymous No.6733180]

>>6733082
>PSX

[Anonymous No.6733186]

>>6733180
>zoomzooms don’t know that we bona fide ‘90s kids called it the "piss-sex" IRL

[Anonymous No.6733190]

>>6733186
Nobody cares what misinformed kids called the PS.

[Anonymous No.6733194]

>>6733190
>this level of pure distilled zoom
You hate to see it.

[Anonymous No.6733196]

>>6733194
Repeat after me. Playstation. PS.

[Anonymous No.6733207]

>>6733196
>zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.6733212]

>>6733207
Playstation. PS.

[Anonymous No.6733224]

>>6732902
>Does this thing have serious fans
Yes. Me. Picked up a Saturn for dirt cheap in '00 and pick up cheap games up until the late '00s. Was heaven on earth for a at the time Poorfag. Ended up selling my entire collection for mucho dollarydoo's about 5 yrs back. I wish I would of kept the console and few of my fav games to play every once in awhile but oh well.

[Anonymous No.6733234]

>>6733180
A lot of people aren't even aware that the PlayStation DVR device exists, so why do you expect them to stop using the PSX abbreviation when typing about the original PlayStation?

[Anonymous No.6733239]

>>6733234
Because the original Playstation is abbreviated PS or PS1.

[Anonymous No.6733259]

>>6733112
>anybody who ranks it second is a fuckin' dork.
only if they rank N64 first. if they rank playstation first they're just being objective.

[Anonymous No.6733261]

>>6733239
If they grew up seeing it called PSX on the internet or in magazine, why do you expect them to change their ways now?

[Anonymous No.6733265]

>>6733259
You’re a fuckin' dork.

[Anonymous No.6733269]

>>6733259
the virgin objectivity, the chad subjectivity.

[Anonymous No.6733271]

>>6733180
That HDD combo thing came years later. Joke is on Sony for causing confusion with the name. More proof how fucking ignorant and oblivious they are.

[Anonymous No.6733327]

>>6732902
I grew up with it. Imported the Japanese version in late 1994 for a small fortune. I have a JP full set since 2005, so I'm committed.

[Anonymous No.6733339]

>>6732951
Yeah but what about games?

You would be an Xbox fag in current year I bet.

[Anonymous No.6733352]

>>6733327
good boy

[Anonymous No.6733360]

>>6732902
If you were a nip in the 90s, it was pretty great. In US/EU really mediocre selection of titles. I guess EU had it a little better, since it had a few more exclusives that US didnt get.

[Anonymous No.6733363]

I would rather replay zelda oot and super mario 64 countless of times than play with sega saturn with it's 1092 games

[Anonymous No.6733382]

>>6732902
the controller looks uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.6733387]

>>6733382
It’s really not.

[Anonymous No.6733392]

>>6733363
i hope you are baiting because the n64 does have a bunch of good games and replaying those two over and over sounds incredibly miserable, regardless of how good they are

[Anonymous No.6733421]

The Saturn and PS1 have gotten better with age and the N64 has gotten worse. I don’t mean in terms of the actual games themselves but in terms of new games to discover. People still find Saturn or PS1 hidden gems or new games get translated but the N64’s library has basically been analyzed several times over.

[Anonymous No.6733447]

>>6733360
There was a very lively import market in the 90s. Shall mean if games were your thing you didn't wait for the crippled PAL or censored USA version to come out. You imported from the nip nip land/called your import friendly mail order.

[Anonymous No.6733457]

>>6732947
38 unironically sounds low, I watched this entire thing and the amount was frickin ridiculous, it's easily the most prevalent "genre" on the system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pyMz4-fPgk

[Anonymous No.6733463]

>>6732902
Its about on par with the N64 for me. I have five total games that I wanted for the N64. There's about 20 for the Saturn that I wanted.

Neither console comes close to the PS1 however.

[Anonymous No.6733470]

>>6732902
I think it's better than the N64 and I have all three.

[Anonymous No.6733474]

>>6732902
I don't think it's better but equally the opinion of others doesn't change my enjoyment of it, I really liked my Saturn and it's one of my favourite consoles, no matter the clenching of teeth and clutching of pearls from vr

[Anonymous No.6733496]

>>6732902
Of course it does.
>Why?
Because you're on 4chins, and 4chins is contrarian.

[Anonymous No.6733512]

It’s one of only 3 gens where every console is at least good
>1: odyssey shit
>2: 2600 ok, colecovision shit, intellivision shit
>3: NES great, SMS ok, 7800 shit
>4: TG16 good, Genesis great, SNES great
>5: Saturn good, PS1 great, N64 good
>6: dreamcast good, PS2 great, xbox good, gamecube good
>7: x360 ok, ps3 good wii good
>8: xone shit, ps4 good, wii u ok, switch good

[Anonymous No.6733520]

>>6733512
a wild so_yboi appears

[Anonymous No.6733530]

>>6733520
None of Sony’s consoles have been bad though the PS3 came dangerously close. Nintendo’s only real flop was the wii u, and sega struggled with the sms due to nintendo’s licensing policy

[Anonymous No.6733536]

>>6733512
You're being way too generous. I'd only consider NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, and maybe TG-16/CD anything higher than average.

[Anonymous No.6733538]

>>6732902
Whereas most PS1 and N64 games have been re-released or remade, most Saturn stuff still hasn't been ported, making the system worthwhile to have if you don't want to emulate.

[Anonymous No.6733539]

>>6733536
Idk, I think every major console from gens 4-6 had a good library at least

[Anonymous No.6733558]

>>6732902
Why would I be a fan of a machine, it's just a piece of hardware, you could argue that the ps4 is objectively better than any other console, it doesn't mean shit.
What I do care about is specific games, it just so happens that I care a great deal for a larger amount of games that are Saturn exclusive in comparison to N64 and Playstation games(granted there's still a few Playstation games I'm interested in but haven't gotten around to playing yet).
Had those games come out on another console I would have liked them just as much, it has nothing to do with brand loyalty and stupid console war shit. If you truly care about games, judge them on a case by case scenario, why pass your judgement by arbitrarily lumping them together based on the piece of hardware they run on?

[Anonymous No.6733703]

>>6732902
Saturn has its moments but the PS1 is better all round. Still better than N64 though.

[Anonymous No.6733709]

>>6733271
What confusion? There was the Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation Portable, Playstation X. There was no device named the PSX before this.

[Anonymous No.6733729]

>>6733709
>There was no device named the PSX before this.
Zoomers gonna zoom!

[Anonymous No.6733750]

>>6733729
Yep, Playstation.

[Anonymous No.6733818]

>>6733190
No most people called it the PlayStation, it was listed as psx abbreviation in magazines though

[Anonymous No.6734159]

>>6733421
this is true, and why the playstation is still a good console even though most of the big hits aged as bad as goldeneye (the worst-aging game on N64).

[Anonymous No.6734167]

>>6733082
>Most of the Saturn hate comes from sony indoctrinated casual fags. Which are the cancer of this hobby.

[Anonymous No.6734180]

>>6733447
>bro it’s worth it if you went out of your way to learn Japanese and import foreign games as a kid

[Anonymous No.6734191]

>MORE FIFTH GEN WAR THREADS

[Anonymous No.6734197]

>>6734191
At this point I unironically wonder if it’s not a false-flag from the faggots who want it off the board. It was never this bad before

[Anonymous No.6734232]

>>6734197
If only there were some age verification process where anyone younger than 30 years old gets instabanned from /vr/, then the board would improve drastically.

[Anonymous No.6734247]

>>6732902
its not "better" but the experience is objectively more pleasurable bc there are titles you havent experienced yet.


i would equate it to the pc engine popularity
the system is decent/great but the fact that its a fresh start for most players makes it all the sweeter


id say grab one after you grow tired of n64/ps1

[Anonymous No.6734508]

>>6732902
in japan the saturn ruled, unfortunately lack of localization

[Anonymous No.6734560]

>>6733143
They're both rather interesting but the Dreamcast is only overrated if you expect a 6th-gen type console.

[Anonymous No.6734593]

>>6734159
How does aging work if people go in to fix a game? For example Goldeneye is now fixed with proper mouse aiming and 60FPS and its still a good game.

[Anonymous No.6734642]

>>6734560
it was amazing at the time, but all the games ended up on other systems a few years later and in retrospect it was doomed from the very beginning, while saturn was a case of squandered potential.

[Anonymous No.6734759]

@6733558
>Why would I be a fan of a machine, it's just a piece of hardware
You're like one of those smartasses on Quora who shows up whenever someone asks "What does X country think of Y country" and says "Nothing, countries are pieces of land, they don't have thoughts".
When someone asks if you're a fan of a console, what they're really asking is if you like its library and the things that make it unique. Everyone knows this including you, but you're just being disingenuous for (You)s and I won't give you one.

[Anonymous No.6734819]

>>6734180

[Anonymous No.6735161]

>>6734759
>When someone asks if you're a fan of a console, what they're really asking is if you like its library and the things that make it unique.
My point was precisely that it's dumb to pass judgement on games grouped as "libraries" when the only reason they are lumped together as some sort of unit is the piece of hardware they run on.

If you really feel its necessary to pit a group of games against another group of games, at very least you should group them based on unifying traits that actually speak of the content or nature of the games themselves such as recurring gameplay and or similar presentation, in other words, when they have something in common that is actually a valid reason to look at them as part of a whole, for example, their genre("Do you think rpgs are more fun than platformers?") or franchise("What do you like more - Mario games or Zelda games?").

[Anonymous No.6735181]

>>6732902
>Does this thing have serious fans on here
yes
>who think it's better than PS1
no
>N64
yes

[Anonymous No.6735187]

>>6735161
forgot to mention that sure you could try to claim that there's some sort of underlying philosophy or pattern connecting games of the same console like if you equated playstation to rpgs, n64 to party games and sega to arcade games but you know damn well that's one hell of a generalization with far too many outliers. By all means, feel free to argue about rpgs vs party games vs arcade games, no point in restricting them based on what console they are on.

Hope that made sense, I'm ESL

[Anonymous No.6735258]

>please let 6th gen be allowed or make v2k
>im spamming so why isn't anyone listening to me

[Anonymous No.6735352]

>>6733234
>A lot of people aren't even aware that the PlayStation DVR device exists, so why do you expect them to stop using the PSX abbreviation when typing about the original PlayStation?

Lots of gaming publications called it the PSX. It wasn't really an official abbreviation from Sony, but apparently it was one of the internal code names, after the SNES add-on was cancelled. Many game "journalists" picked up on the PSx code name, and were calling it this pre-launch in magazines.

I stopped calling the system the PSX when the PS2 was released.

The Saturn is great if you love fighting games and shooters. It also does have some decent arcade ports. It also has a lot of moon speak JRPG's. Sadly, despite being touted as a 2D machine, it really doesn;t have that many 2D side scrollers. Sony made 2D a bad word during the PS era.

[Anonymous No.6735523]

>>6732902
Meh. The Sega Saturn was really only good for all of those great fighting game ports.

[Anonymous No.6735546]

>>6732902
I guess I fit that description. I do have the Saturn in my top 5 videogame consoles. I suppose in part, it was a system with lots of games that appealed to me. At that time, the games were always in bargain bins and really cheap because everyone had the other systems, so it was great for someone like me who does not have much money to get lots of games to enjoy without spending much. I still enjoy a lot of games on the first Playstation and N64, they still rank within my top 50 video game systems. I understand my taste in games is unconventional, and I am at peace that most others don't like the same games I do, doesn't change my opinion/tastes.

[Anonymous No.6735552]

I like a lot of games on PSX and N64, but Saturn's brand of fast and fluid arcade action wins out over the others because of its nearly unlimited replay value. After you play OoT or MGS, you can't play them again for another year or so because it's already old. Meanwhile I can pop in NiGHTS into Dreams, Panzer Dragoon 2, or Daytona USA any time any day back to back and have just as much fun as I did the last time.

[Anonymous No.6735556]

I don’t even feel that passionately about gen 5 as I do 4 or 6 but the rampant faggotry on this board is making me care.

[Anonymous No.6735706]

>>6735546
>Multiple copies of the same game

Whoa

[Anonymous No.6735717]

>>6732902
>That sad moment you realise the Sega CD is better than the Saturn

[Anonymous No.6735728]

>>6735717
It's not, are you on crack?

[Anonymous No.6735739]

>>6732902
It's acceptable to make the argument that it's better than the N64, but the PS1 curb stomps it in every area. The Saturn has better capcom arcade fighters, but the difference is extremely slight on the base 2mb model. My great games list:
Saturn Bomberman
Nights into Dreams
Daytona USA(yes, it still plays very well)
Virtua Fighter(Very ahead of it's time)
Street Fighter Zero 3
Radiant Silvergun
Panzer Dragoon 1
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
Guardian Heroes
Grandia
Sega Rally
-This is just the tip of the iceberg, there are plenty of import Sega Saturn fans who would have a much larger list than this

[Anonymous No.6735824]

>>6735552
True. When I pull out my Saturn it's not to play a story heavy game, it's 9 times out of 10 me just beating PB's and WR's in Sega Rally Championship

[Anonymous No.6736042]

>>6735739
Why do saturn fags pretend like Grandia PS1 is somehow unplayable when it's barely different?

[Anonymous No.6736152]

for me sega saturn is better

[Anonymous No.6736163]

I'm a huge fan of the PS1 and Saturn, the N64 is an irrelevant console. Saturn's got some amazing arcade games that I find to be a ton of fun. There's also some fun 3D novelties like powerslave. PS1 has more quality 3D games, covers more genres and has not only a massive library but some of the best games of all time. Saturn's my favorite for a dozen reasons, but the PS1 is definitely better.

Most Saturn fans I know also adore the PS1 and feel the same way I do about it.

[Anonymous No.6736178]

I find it ironic that the Saturn ran the best 2D game of the generation like absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.6736185]

>>6736178
Cause VDP1 is slow as shit. That's why SEGA added VDP2 to help reduce strain.

[Anonymous No.6736186]

>>6736178
That's what happens when you let a shitty B-team (who also made a terrible 3D Goemon game on Playstation and CV Legends) handle the port.

[Anonymous No.6736223]

>>6736163
>the N64 is an irrelevant console.
>Had some of the major defining games of the 3D era
>Irrelevant

Lol okay get back to Sonic racing bro

[Anonymous No.6736250]

>>6736223
100% irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.6736265]

>>6736223
The N64 was Nintendo's Saturn.

*Drops mic*

[Anonymous No.6736272]

>>6736223
Almost all of the good ones have been rereleased on superior platforms. The N ShittyWhore has violently blurry output (noticeable even on a CRT), horrific framerates, gimped sound, and multiplats were very often heavily gimped due to the cartridge format. And it has the smallest library of any major console.
It's such a shitshow that just thinking about it makes me want to throw mine out the window.

[Anonymous No.6736298]

>>6733180
t. faggot who read an wikipedia article about it once

[Anonymous No.6736301]

>>6736265
Can't be, the Saturn had a great library. The N64 did not.

[Anonymous No.6736304]

>>6736265
No, because at least the N64 was successful in one region (Burgerland).

The Shiturn flopped everywhere, yes, even Japan, where it sold less than 10m units.

[Anonymous No.6736305]

>>6736272
I don't see how ports that happened after the fact constitute an argument when I can emulate the entire library of most classic consoles on my PC.

[Anonymous No.6736306]

I think the only rotating part is the disc driver, but otherwise it's fanless.

[Anonymous No.6736307]

>>6735552
You act like arcade style games and racers didn't exist on the other consoles.

[Anonymous No.6736317]

>>6736301
>the Saturn had a great library.
Lol @ Saturncel delusions.
Still trying to cope with how your system sucked, huh? Enjoy those inferior ports/multi-plats, and generic weebshit shovelware you imported for your collection with no intentions of playing.

[Anonymous No.6736323]

>>6736317
Super Cope 64.

[Anonymous No.6736340]

>>6736323
>Saturn had to be killed asap for a system actually capable of 3D (Dreamcast) because it was no match against the Chad64
Who's the one coping, again?

[Anonymous No.6736352]

>>6736317

[Anonymous No.6736383]

>>6736305
Because your PC is not retro and neither are you.

[Anonymous No.6736393]

>>6736304
10 million is successful in Japan retard, they have a third of the US population so that's about 1 in 10 who owned a Saturn

[Anonymous No.6736417]

>>6736393
Then N64 didn't fail in Japan either, since it sold almost as many units as the Saturn. Also had better software sales there too.

[Anonymous No.6736450]

>>6736383
Oh, we're playing the game where we pretend the world ended in 1999? Okay, the N64 library has been ported to basically nothing at this point, then.

[Anonymous No.6736505]

>>6736417
>Also had better software sales there too.
what a weird thing to think.

[Anonymous No.6736551]

>>6732902
>The Ultimate Gaming System
They weren't kidding about SEGA marketing becoming so poor, how did we go from BLAST PROCESSING to the most generic and dull slogan ever? Jesus my 8 year old me could have come up with something more original.

[Anonymous No.6736575]

>>6732936
This is the right opinion. Saturn has more quality games across the board. The amount arcade perfect ports alone is worth the price of admission.

[Anonymous No.6736585]

>>6736575
>arcade perfect
lmao

[Anonymous No.6736601]

>>6732936
>N64 could keep you entertained for a month tops
lmao

[Anonymous No.6736623]

>>6735552
>shites into dreams
>unlimited replay value

[Anonymous No.6736646]

>>6736575
If you played 10 arcade games you played them all, how much can you play the exact same thing with a new skin?
I love arcade games but fuck, you Saturnfags are delusional or just autistic.
What good exclusive games does it have outside the arcade genre? You can't possible pretend a console is good when it excels in only one genre.

[Anonymous No.6736649]

>>6736575
>Saturn has more quality games across the board.
Saturn hipsters live in their own reality.

[Anonymous No.6736680]

>>6736272
>Almost all of the good ones have been rereleased on superior platforms.
This happened for all consoles, how is this an argument?
>The N ShittyWhore has violently blurry output
The problem isn't the output for the lower resolution textures because of compression. It did have superior 3D effects though only seen in PC 3D accelerated games back then.
>horrific framerates
Now you are just making shit up.
>gimped sound
If something was better on the N64 was the sound processor, it supported Dolby Surround, and in multiplats like RE2 you can tell even though audio is compressed it still sounds better.

I like the N64 the less of all 3, but you know what I hate more? Larpers who talk unfounded bullshit here like yourself.

[Anonymous No.6736686]

>>6732939
And the N64 has under 5 games worth playing in total, so the edge still goes to the Saturn in terms of the total quantity of quality to be had.

[Anonymous No.6736696]

>>6736575
>Saturn has more quality games across the board.
Yup. The whole console is high quality, from design to the games, to the controller. As opposed to the cheap playstation crap.

>arcade perfect ports
ST-V games are arcade perfect. And a lot of 3rd party arcade ports come pretty close, and often adding more quality content, and extra characters on the Saturn.

Saturn was the first time Capcoms CPSII games came home in like 99% arcade perfect form. Again as opposed to the crippled Playstation CPSII ports.

The biggest laugh i ever had was the playstation port of tenchi wo kurau II/warriors of fate. The game freezes mid level, to load the second part of the level, because the Playstation doesnt have enough memory for a CPS1 game. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.6736701]

>>6736686
Saturn fans actually praise garbage like Nights because there is so little quality software. Can you fuckin believe that shit?

[Anonymous No.6736705]

>>6732936
When trolling and contrarian cunting is filtered out, this is the actual consensus, just as it was back in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.6736707]

>>6736306
Underrated.

[Anonymous No.6736708]

>>6736701
I am a diehard SS fan. I don't play crap like Nights. You are grasping at straws.

[Anonymous No.6736712]

>>6736708
>You are grasping at straws
I'm not the one desperately attempting to find playable games on the Saturn. If you want a real challenge try finding playable games on Saturn that aren't inferior ports.

[Anonymous No.6736724]

>>6736686
Even if you only counted up the super popular first party games, you'd get quite few more than five.

[Anonymous No.6736751]

>>6736712
Your argumentation isn't grounded in reality. That's the whole thing here. Its not about the console, its about your failure to grasp reality. Whatever your conclusions are, i don't fucking care, but don't expect others to take part in your alternative reality. Gaslighting nutter.

[Anonymous No.6736805]

>>6736751
>Your argumentation isn't grounded in reality
Saturn has a noticeable lack of quality games, that is an objective statement. Inferior ports are not quality games.

[Anonymous No.6736810]

>>6736805
This, why play saturn when most of the best games are arcade ports that you can easily emulate now

[Anonymous No.6736817]

>>6733512
The colecovision and intellivision had great games.

[Anonymous No.6736824]

>>6733558
What are the best games for the Saturn?

[Anonymous No.6736835]

>>6736817
Mostly arcade ports that are now completely obsolete, the 2600 does have some original stuff at least

[Anonymous No.6736857]

daytona, sonic, virtual on, panzer, KOF, clockwork knight

[Anonymous No.6736871]

>>6736857
>daytona
Worst way to play it. If you're gonna play a console version, go for the Dreamcast one, or better yet, the one on PSN/XBLA.

[Anonymous No.6736903]

>>6736724
Most of them are pretty shitty if you're not 9.

[Anonymous No.6736923]

Both consoles are better than the Shovelstation.

[Anonymous No.6736943]

>>6736923
Ok contrarian.

[Anonymous No.6737270]

>>6736724
OK, so let's be real and honest about how this went down in the 90s.

The "best games worth playing":

- GoldenEye 64: This was the real killer app and what everyone was playing with their friends. Couch split screen DMs, perfect weekend rental.

-Mario 64: Mario in 3D, but already here we started to run into the staple issues of the N64 and early 3D gaming. Gone was the tight and responsive gameplay of it's 2D iterations and now you had to wrestle the camera while playing on one of gaming histories worst human-to-3D-space interface devised: The N64 controller.

-Zelda Ocarina of Time: It seems no one wants to admit to the fact that this was divisive when it came out, especially for fans of the games before it. It was just plain ugly! Grey, muddy looking, janky, low-poly pixelated porridge diarrhea that seemed like a step back from the expressive and detailed art of the previous 16-bit generation. And here of course again with the camera and control issues, it felt clunky, slow, tedious and plain not fun play. For your average console player coming into 3D gaming for the first time this was like trying to land the Apollo in a septic tank whilst some asshole inhaling helium kept yelling "HEY, LISTEN!" into your ear constantly.

The debatable games:

-Zelda Majora's Mask: Same issues as Ocarina but this time with a time limit gimmick to piss of players even more. A highly divisive game even among fans of Ocarina at the time.

-Perfect Dark: Technical improvements over GoldeEye across the board but just not as fun to play for some reason and people had moved on and the N64 was dead af at this point.

All other games on the N64 the Saturn can go toe-to-toe against and beat most of the time and there are more of them. The N64 was a weekend rental console, the Saturn a hardcore arcade enthusiast and exotics console, the PS1 the console everybody actually had and the PC where the real 3D gaming revolution was happening. That was the mid-to-late 90s faggots.

[Anonymous No.6737275]

>>6737270
Perfect Dark is like 2000x better than Goldenarse.

[Anonymous No.6737278]

>>6737270
And this is why drugs are bad.

[Anonymous No.6737365]

>>6736903
Do you remember the typical "N64 kid"?

It was always that kid that had a 2 hour weekly allotted "play-time" with parents that where either religious/spiritual or read "how to raise your child" books by some asshole hack, it was also always that kid who got a semi in the showers/locker room after PE.

[Anonymous No.6737372]

Sonyggers don't belong in /vr/.

[Anonymous No.6737403]

>>6732902
I love all three systems, but I find myself playing the Sega Saturn more than the PS1 and N64. Better exclusives, better arcade ports and better controller would be my guess as to why I think it's better.

[Anonymous No.6737431]

Emulating saturn has always been a hurdle for me so I have no fucking clue about 99% of its library.

The entire system has this weird mysterious vibe to me. I know almost nothing about it. I don't think I've ever played one Saturn exclusive game before. Saturn and the original xbox are like this.

[Anonymous No.6737437]

>>6736575
>>6736705
>>6732936
100% Autism. I wanted to believe that retarded Sega-fags weren't real thing in here, that they were occupied talking about how good the sega genesis or dreamcast were.
Jesus fucking christ, how can you even think that sega saturn was better than the N64? Absolute delusion, the thing was an abortion of sega. They were not even trying, you could see some effort in the best nintendo 64 games to say the least.

[Anonymous No.6737452]

>>6737431
>Emulating saturn has always been a hurdle for me
cringe

[Anonymous No.6737459]

>>6735552
Is it easy to play PDZwei with a keyboard?

[Anonymous No.6737464]

>>6737452
The 3 times I tried over the years I couldn't figure it out at all

[Anonymous No.6737465]

I prefer N64 but thats only because that's what I had growing up

[Anonymous No.6737472]

>>6737464
that's embarrassing

[Anonymous No.6737602]

>>6732902
Nintendo kids got Super Mario 64, deluded Sega-fags got this:
https://youtu.be/grNy_mKwLo4?t=139

[Anonymous No.6737623]

>>6732902
Is owning one these things worth it? Emulation is still poor for this console, right?

[Anonymous No.6737643]

>>6737623
>Emulation is still poor for this console, right?
Nope. Plays every game just fine, you can use either SSF (windows-only) or mednafen.

[Anonymous No.6737698]

>>6737270
>doesn't even mention Star Fox or F-Zero
At least pretend you're trying.

[Anonymous No.6737836]

>>6737698
they're not that good and nobody played them, the SNES ones are the classics for a reason

[Anonymous No.6737862]

>>6737836
lol, ok

[Anonymous No.6737870]

>>6733180

[Anonymous No.6737873]

>>6737870
Retards called it the PSX

[Anonymous No.6737886]

>>6736805
Name all inferior ports please. Most were better on Saturn often with exclusive content and new features with few or no concessions in quality. N64 had plenty of inferior ports however.

[Anonymous No.6737920]

>>6737870
Dude, you clearly weren't alive back then if you'd fall for fake media like that. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean some jackoff with nothing better to do didn't alter it in photoshop.

[Anonymous No.6737959]

>>6737886
>Name all inferior ports please
Every port on the console.

[Anonymous No.6737985]

>>6737959
Wrong, SFZ3 is superior to the arcade original. Now you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.6737987]

>>6737985
No it isn't.

[Anonymous No.6737989]

>>6737987
Wrong, no content was cut from the arcade and SFZ3 has exclusive characters that appear in no other version. Now you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.6738001]

>>6737989
Those janky ass characters were in other versions and the arcade version is better for not having them.

[Anonymous No.6738005]

>>6738001
>other versions
they were not.
>arcade is better for having less
Wrong.

Thank for for conceding. Name all the games that are inferior.

[Anonymous No.6738019]

>>6738005
>Name all the games that are inferior
Daytona USA
Sega Rally Championship
Virtua Fighter
Virtua Fighter 2
Resident Evil
Duke Nukem 3D
Quake
MechWarrior 2
Loaded
Manx TT Super Bike
House of the Dead
Batman Forever: The Arcade Game

[Anonymous No.6738054]

>>6738019
>he names ports that are superior or require $10,000 arcade machines
thank you for conceding.

[Anonymous No.6738060]

>>6738054
I named a bunch of inferior ports like you asked.

[Anonymous No.6738070]

>>6738060
You named ones that are flat out better. If that's all the "inferior ports" then that's a footnote to the Saturn's library which is over 1000 games.

[Anonymous No.6738076]

>>6738070
>You named ones that are flat out better
Don't be so delusional.
>If that's all the "inferior ports" then that's a footnote to the Saturn's library which is over 1000 games.
I didn't name all of them. I said a bunch of them. Most of those 1000 games are irredeemable garbage to the point where people's recommended Saturn games end well below 100 games. Keep in mind most of those recs are inferior ports as we've established.

[Anonymous No.6738084]

Ignore Saturn fanboy hipsters, it's like trying to argue with a wall. Deep down they know their system was, is and will always be garbage.

[Anonymous No.6738091]

>>6738076
>I didn't name all of them
Then you failed, the demand was name them all. You can't even do that.

[Anonymous No.6738095]

>>6738091
You make dumb and unreasonable demands. Fitting for someone who comes across as dumb and unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.6738096]

>>6738095
>You make dumb and unreasonable demands
You make dumb and unreasonable claims. Fitting for a console warrior fanboy bitch. If you can't back up what you say, get basic easily searchable information wrong, you're clearly a failure on the subject.

[Anonymous No.6738102]

>>6738096
I clearly did back up what I said though. I just didn't list every last inferior port because I'd be here all day just for you to respond with some dumbass remark about how they're somehow not only good but better than the original. Just completely delusional.

[Anonymous No.6738105]

>>6738102
>I clearly did back up what I said though
Nope, you got it wrong immediately when you claimed sfz3 was inferior on Saturn. Then you proceeded to list ports which either require a $10,000 arcade cabinet or have better features on Saturn, like Duke 3D and Quake's superior lighting. You failed hard anon, you might want to give up. Quit while you're ahead.

[Anonymous No.6738118]

>>6738105
Presenting these shitty ports as top quality software on the Saturn is only proving my point. Virtua Fighter and Virtua Racing are better on the 32X, Daytona USA, Sega Rally Championship and Manx TT Super Bike are better on PC. The Saturn really got cucked hard, even the inferior ports got superior ports to PC, the absolute state.

[Anonymous No.6738124]

>>6738118
Who said they're top quality software? They simply exist on the Saturn and are a fun way to play.
>Virtua Fighter and Virtua Racing are better on the 32X
Great job, you admitted to never playing either version. How embarrassing. Was being a retard part of your master plan?

[Anonymous No.6738125]

How old you /vr/niggers are?

[Anonymous No.6738129]

>>6738124
Are you really so desperate to defend the Saturn you're going to pretend the port of Virtua Racing is good? Especially compared to the 32X version? The absolute fucking state.

[Anonymous No.6738134]

>>6738129
Name 10 flaws with the saturn port. Defend Virtua Fighter 32x.

[Anonymous No.6738146]

>>6738134
Virtua Fighter on 32X doesn't have the polygon glitches that the Saturn version has. That port was so bad they had to give away an improved version with texture mapping, then they released it on PC too. Cucked again.

[Anonymous No.6738151]

>>6738146
There's actually no difference between remix and original in terms of polygon sorting or performance. It's the same game but with textures. Saturn remix = vf > 32x vf. You don't really seem to know anything about these games, do you anon?

[Anonymous No.6738152]

>>6738151
I don't see half the stage disappearing constantly on VF Remix. You sure you know everything?

[Anonymous No.6738153]

>>6738152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9giUxVJjGY
How come you're so dishonest anon? You should know about these games you try to talk about. For someone who hates the Saturn so much you sure can't think of any true reasons why. Sounds like you're trying to over-compensate for irrelevant 90s PC games and as we know, shit N64 games.

[Anonymous No.6738157]

>>6738153
I skipped ahead in this video because it's 30 fucking minutes long and the guy does a direct comparison showing how fucked the original Saturn port was. Are you actually retarded? Did you even watch that video?

[Anonymous No.6738162]

>>6738157
You need to do some studying, skipping around and taking in only glimpses of the information is clearly your problem. Your brain might be too fried to actually learn anything and retain it.

[Anonymous No.6738170]

>>6738162
I'm not watching some 30 minute long video that I already know doesn't support your absolutely retarded "argument". Lets step back for a minute and consider that Virtua Fighter Remix is also an inferior version on Saturn. Can you even defend this thing without going to autistic lengths to defend an already inferior version of game?

[Anonymous No.6738173]

>>6738170
>I'm not watching some 30 minute long video
Thank you for conceding.

[Anonymous No.6738184]

>>6738173
https://youtu.be/d9giUxVJjGY?t=463
Alright I found a part that completely disproves your own argument. Be honest, do you even play these games or do you just enjoy being a hipster on the internet? I already know you link to youtube videos without watching them.

[Anonymous No.6738191]

>>6738184
>he skipped around again and missed the part where the games are identical, only difference is remix has textures
Do you also have a problem with getting burned by stoves?

[Anonymous No.6738193]

>>6738191
You said the game has "no difference between remix and original in terms of polygon sorting or performance." Yet I'm seeing polygons vanish in one version and not in the other. Now maybe it's just me but I would call that a difference.

[Anonymous No.6738197]

>>6738193
Watch closer, finish the video.

[Anonymous No.6738202]

>>6738197
Does the port start breaking down and becoming worse in real time or something? I fail to see how watching the whole thing will somehow change the fact that the original version does in fact have polygon glitches as every person on planet earth have observed for decades while Remix does not.

[Anonymous No.6738206]

>>6738202
>I fail to see how watching the whole thing
I know, it's because you're got a confirmation bias. You're very invested in some other version being better because your entire premise hinges on this.

[Anonymous No.6738212]

>>6738206
I just don't see how watching a youtube video is going to change reality itself. What are you even arguing for? That the original game doesn't have polygon glitches or that Remix has them?

[Anonymous No.6738215]

>>6738212
>I just don't see how watching a youtube video is going to change reality itself.
Reality =/= Your delusion.
Sorry to break it to you anon, but in this time you could've almost finished the video which demonstrates reality.

[Anonymous No.6738219]

>>6738215
The video does demonstrate reality, the reality that Virtua Fighter's original Saturn port has polygon glitches that not even the 32X port has and Remix certainly doesn't have.

[Anonymous No.6738226]

>>6738219
It also has higher fidelity models on Saturn than on 32X. I don't know why you're so hung up on this game. It's like obsessing over low-tier western games like duke3D and tomb raider. Tick tock...could have learned a thing or two from that video.

[Anonymous No.6738239]

>>6738226
https://youtu.be/d9giUxVJjGY?t=1731
I did learn something. I learned that I was right all along that the 32X version is better. You must really regret linking this video, what a dumbass hahaha.

[Anonymous No.6738240]

>>6738239
Thank you for the views :)

[Anonymous No.6738242]

>>6732902
I'm 100% convinced the Saturn would have won the generation if Sega hadn't cut it's blast processing to make time to shoehorn in shitty 3D hardware

[Anonymous No.6738245]

>>6738240
I'll probably subscribe.

[Anonymous No.6738249]

>>6738245
It's appreciated, Panda is doing a lot of work fixing misinformation about the Saturn, its releases and getting in touch with old developers, from interviewing people who worked on early 3D titles with features later claimed to be invented by games like Quake a year later and even AAA stars like Peter Molymeme.

[Anonymous No.6738540]

>>6732902
Well, anything is better than the Nintendo 64

[Anonymous No.6738623]

>>6737437

[Anonymous No.6738625]

I prefer both Saturn and N64 to the PS.

[Anonymous No.6738642]

>>6737873
It was advertised as PSX initially before PlayStation came out, just like how the N64 was supposed to be Ultra 64. There is actually a "PSX" console though, a PS2/DVR combo in Japan.

[Anonymous No.6738801]

>>6738625
Based. There’s really only a small of handful of ps exclusives I even care about, every thing else I’d rather play on another platform. Luckily it’s the easiest 5th gen console to emulate, so I can just tack those on to the pi that I have taking care of everything I want from 3rd/4th gen.

[Anonymous No.6738829]

>>6738124
For some reason they let Time Warner use their hard driven engine for Virtua Racing so it has a pretty jumpy frame rate, the go karts feel kinda crappy and I stopped playing because it just felt really slow and the tracks felt like they were made for freeware track designer you would get for some games. The virtua formula looks pretty good though.

>>6732902
the water effects of the vdp are nice, virtua cop 2 has nice solid graphics with the clipping and warping you see so often on ps1. More game should have had that graphic style.

[Anonymous No.6738893]

>>6738642
>There is actually a "PSX" console though, a PS2/DVR combo in Japan.
All the more reason to never call it PSX.

[Anonymous No.6738916]

>>6738893
but anon, I want the Sony Play Station to have a c00L and XxXtreEmE alias, PS is too dry and generic, PS1 is too zoomer and even more generic.

[Anonymous No.6738949]

>>6738916
PS1 is the best plae to go for Xtreme games, you have Xtreme 1, Xtreme 2, Xtreme 3, but no obscure hidden gems like jet force gemini and mario party 3.

[Anonymous No.6739259]

>>6732951
>first online home console

[Anonymous No.6739285]

>>6737920
Feel free to go verify the original sources instead of saying "DURR ITS PHOTOSHOP"

[Anonymous No.6739290]

>>6732951
>>first online home console
>saturn
Yeah, if you ignore the 2600, Intellivision, Famicom, Super Famicom, Genesis/MD, and whatever else came before. it.