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DOOM - MEATBALL SUB EDITION Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 01:50:36 No.6716536 [Reply] [Original]

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>6705083

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other retro FPS welcome
~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Thief, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendations

Same thing, but in video format:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXM
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
More /vr/ shooters
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
Doom Shovelware
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR

Doom RPG series
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4

== INFO/LINKS ==

OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/yzwgaLp7

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
https://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS
https://pastebin.com/aiEgdB3K

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 01:52:13 No.6716540 HL sucks.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 01:56:06 No.6716554

Quake sucks. It's literally one of the worst franchises ever made.
>1 is all about bullet sponge enemies and lazy levels made with 3 textures.
>2 is generic alien shooter with regular levels
>3 is a failed attempt to rip off UT99
>4 is a slightly improved Doom 3
>Enemy Territory is id Software's store brand Battlefield
>Champions is Overwatch for Boomers.

Imagine being a Quake fan. I would literally kill myself right now.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 01:56:14 No.6716557

=== ONGOING PROJECT ===

2048 Units of /vr/
-New submissions are now closed, currently in beta phase.
Link to BETA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpupk5jc9intyu3/2048unitsvrBETA.zip?dl=1

=== NEWS ===
[8-11] Boomer Con
https://youtu.be/7S71Gib5Hdo

[8-11] KMQuake gets updates
http://www.markshan.com/knightmare/

[8-11] Reelism 2 v0.5 Early Excess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKynvrDxqmk

[7-31] E1M1 Multiverse released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115093-e1m1-multiverse-release-24/

[7-30] /v/ anons released Unreal championship 2, UT 2004 and Unreal 2 The Awakening souce codes
>>>/v/519146380

[7-29] Bridgeburner releases Bastion of Chaos for GZDoom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116003-bastion-of-chaos-public-beta-by-bridgeburner-a-gzdoom-map/

[7-22] Combined_Arms Gaiden mini weapons mod released
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms-gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egthd1EHvLE [Embed]

[7-22] Coppertone Summer Jam for Quake Released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61918

[7-16] Anon shares their 7-map wad, Hell Frontier Episode 1
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-episode-1-7-maps-for-now-limit-removing-doom-ii-wad-official-pre-release-playtesters-wanted/

[7-15] Anon shares their 3-map project, Akoopasoup: Free Lyle
https://mega.nz/file/ysdgRCxQ#Y1jyG9hGGbi4LkCxP4_6qt4SKjfHfg66wsFWD3B89Qg

[7-14] SNES DOOM source code released:
https://github.com/RandalLinden/DOOM-FX

[7-13] Lost Frontier, a "realism" inspired gameplay mod for Strife, has been released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=69291

[7-13] Anon shares two projects, a music randomizer featuring music from various megawads
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3rttokitvwh421b/TheUltimateFloppy.zip/file
And an edit of X-Weapons: Helstrum featuring only the weapons and control tweaks
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yn4pbiltjisq15o/HelsturmNMedit.zip/file

=== PREVIOUS ===

https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 01:58:11 No.6716559
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>>6716557
Sorry that took a while. Don't bake breads often myself.
Also:
>[7-30] /v/ anons released Unreal championship 2, UT 2004 and Unreal 2 The Awakening souce codes >>>/v/519146380
Here: >>6706192

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:03:12 No.6716568 File: 2.85 MB, 522x330, woop.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What a boring map.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:03:20 No.6716569 >>6716540 Based >>6716554 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:19:38 No.6716609 File: 736 KB, 575x747, Doomguy faec.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716536 Reminder not to respond to obvious bait in order to not shit up the thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:25:06 No.6716631 >>6716554 Based. Build games are much better. Look at the amount of quirks in Blood. Makes me want to coom everytime.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:28:12 No.6716641 File: 344 KB, 2560x720, ZomboDroid 13082020072729.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] With or without fog?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:34:37 No.6716657 File: 720 KB, 1920x1080, 6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I recently completed my first map. Please consider playing it. Your feedback is also appreciated. http://www.mediafire.com/file/iq59z647u09kpgf/octogonsix.wad/file

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 02:52:32 No.6716690 >>6716641 Fog only looks good in outside areas with the right sky.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:47:28 No.6716767 >>6716641 Fog looks better, don't listen to >>6716690

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:51:12 No.6716774 >>6716641 Fog

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:51:26 No.6716776
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LitDoom update:

We're adding a (you can toggle it) durability system to the weapons. They'll eventually start to jam/break down, or just work less quickly/effectively without maintenance here and there. Some weapons, like the revolver, will be more reliable than others due to less things to go wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctCyms8pehU

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:52:42 No.6716780 >>6716641 The map was designed for fog, its very atmospheric. Although the fog is kind of ugly in software mode with all the banding.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:53:51 No.6716782 >>6716568 >myoffice.wad by fujiwara

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 03:56:03 No.6716785 >>6716641 It looks good without fog. Fog is very ugly and should be used only in mountains.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 04:24:25 No.6716823 >>6716657 fuck archviles

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 04:43:08 No.6716840 >>6716780 Fog looks a lot better in software mode imo (the white\gray one, not other colors)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 04:47:02 No.6716843 File: 112 KB, 1280x1024, Hexendarkmere.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716780 Fog looks a lot better on software imo

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:29:04 No.6716882 >>6716641 Fog is essential for mood. However I think we could try something like zones with variable fog densities and non linear fog.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:30:39 No.6716885 >>6716780 The "banding" is due to how fog tables originally worked in software mode. You can see that in a lot of other engines of the time.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:34:09 No.6716891 >>6716843 Looks amazing, I wonder if you can achieve this aesthethic in Arcane Dimensions for q1

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:43:49 No.6716903 >>6716536 Any good Doom TC´s? Played Ashes 2063, Shrine 2, Hedon and liked them all. Starting REKKR right now.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:46:04 No.6716907 >>6716903 I liked Harmony

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:46:57 No.6716909 >>6716891 heavily fogged diffusely lit monochrome maps ARE the AD aesthetic not that AD has any effect on the visuals (except particles)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:54:58 No.6716919 >>6716554 2 was fun because it was the first game I’m aware of where “mods will fix it” rang true. There were some great Quake 2 servers back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 05:55:38 No.6716921 >>6716909 Yeah I know but its not as crispy as that hexen screenshot

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:03:52 No.6716935 What does /vr/ think about Thy Flesh Consumed?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:04:46 No.6716937 >>6716935 Getter than Shores of Hell and Inferno but worse than Knee-Deep in the Dead

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:05:17 No.6716938 >>6716919 Vanilla Quake 2 has the weakest multiplayer, which is a shame because multiplayer is really where Quake shines. Think the single player gets shit on a lot more than it is deserving of.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:07:10 No.6716941

>>6716935
Best chunk of levels in any official Doom. Knee Deep in the Dead is certainly more iconic, and is actually probably better designed, but every time I go back to play through vanilla Doom/Doom 2 Thy Flesh Consumed is where I have the most fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:09:24 No.6716943 >>6716935 Besides Romero's levels, and maybe E4M1, it's pretty mediocre.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:10:49 No.6716945 File: 488 KB, 1920x1080, qbs8_000.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716921 could always use a software port if you're a color banding fetishist

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:16:26 No.6716948

>>6716903
>Starting REKKR right now
I might be too late to help, but, the lift that you need to take to progress in level two is in the big room that you drop into; it's in the dark. (IMO it needs to be illuminated by torches because it's too easy to miss).

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:17:32 No.6716950 >>6716945 What do you mean fetishist, color banding is based and handsome desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:28:20 No.6716970 File: 148 KB, 320x244, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716950

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 06:58:24 No.6717003 >>6716823 Very well

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 07:18:26 No.6717017 File: 696 KB, 1920x1080, -dogs 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why didn't you faggots ever tell me that I can use MBF's helper dogs in PrBoom+ using the -dogs parameter?

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 07:48:05 No.6717040

2048 map 18 (?)

The one with the archvile in the circle with the moving pillars.

FUUUUUUUUUCK YOU

And it's like 4 seconds for the first movement then 3 for the next and it throws you off. Fuck you. I missed the rocket launcher and couldn't go back.

I still liked it you fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 07:53:06 No.6717047 >>6716843 I don't like the weird draw distance in software. Where it starts getting darker a certain distance in front of you. In Duke 3D I always ramp up the "visibility" to max. Why would you want it to start getting dark 10 feet in front of you?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 07:56:57 No.6717056 >>6717047 how can you not tell there's a difference between the darkness you're talking about and the fog in the picture of the post you're replying to

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 08:01:48 No.6717061 >>6716935 I like it a lot, but I wish it kept up the high pressure of E4M1 and E4M2.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 08:03:48 No.6717065 What's the current order for the maps in 2048, and what was the proposed change in order?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 08:11:32 No.6717080 Does anyone else get headaches from software rendering mode?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:04:46 No.6717145 >>6717040 >I still liked it you fuck. Thanks my nigga, I did some updates to the map in the meantime so the crusher part isnt as cheap and the elevator is shorter

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:09:49 No.6717153 >>6717080 No. Are you using freelook? Some people get sort of disoriented by the kind of stretchy perspective you get with freelook in software rendering.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:12:00 No.6717158

Here's a wild idea for a weapon set

In the year 23XX Another Earth is under onslaught by the demonic forces of hell

A french mad scientist Jacques b'Oner manages to turn himself into a lich, and transforms his skeleton into the finest combat machine known to man (and demon). He also plated it with gold.
Powered by miniature reactor on his back, he weilds an arsenal of energy weapons and a gyrojet revolver sidearm.

Weapons:
Pneumatic Fist (can be charged for maximum fisting)
Auto Fister (chainsaw replacement)
Gyrojet revolver - shoots impact axplosives or stickies. Stickies when detonated apply additional damage per stickie stuck to the same target (up to 50% total bonus)
BallZapper - shotgun that shoots a single ball of charged plasma. Hits 2 additional targets with short ranged arc from impact. If target of the ball dies, arcs deal leftover damage as a bonus. Can be "pumped" 2 more times with altfire for 1.75 and 2.5 more power respectively.
SSG replacement - fires a spread of 7 explosive balls that travel for ~13m before exploding and creating chaining arcs.
Chaingun replacement - Lazer machinegun, inaccurate. Altfire deploys a handle bar that grants perfect accuracy at the cost of movement speed
Rocket Launcher - a plasma caster, can shoot a ball of plasma either straight or as a grenade (later has more blast radius) can be charged for slightly more damage, radius and speed.
Plasmagun - plasmagun, but with altfire of continous high damage high fire rate beam (like Quake's lightning gun).
BFG - instead of BFG has a selection of Fusion Cores for reactor that provide bonuses to other weapons depending on charge level. Useage spends the charge and thus reduces the bonuses. Can be overloaded and used for a "big boom" attack that makes the weapon unavailable for the rest of the level.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:32:59 No.6717189 File: 68 KB, 1366x768, Seinfeld.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716536 HELLOOOO!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:36:43 No.6717198 >>6717158 Oh so youre the idea guy

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:52:18 No.6717231 >>6717158 Well, that's something. Do you think you could make it?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:54:01 No.6717236 File: 2.63 MB, 800x450, What's the deal with getting swatted.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717189

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 09:56:42 No.6717243 >>6716935 It's my favorite of the four episodes but it also really shows the limits of Doom 1's enemy roster.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:06:27 No.6717261 >>6717047 Fog ≠ Sector Shading

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:10:20 No.6717271 >>6717236 Seek help

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:12:27 No.6717276 File: 97 KB, 800x800, 1503638785266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717271

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:14:10 No.6717279 >>6717040 >The one with the archvile in the circle with the moving pillars. Wait, didn't some anon years ago post something like that? They were going up and down in a circle.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:15:12 No.6717282 So let's say I want to fight God in the edgiest way possible, would I rather choose some edgy metal or something classical like "Dies Irae" or "Lacrimosa" as soundtrack?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:18:49 No.6717291 >>6717282 Classics are the best: https://youtu.be/GXFSK0ogeg4

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:19:38 No.6717293 >>6716540 >>6716554 Alf, if you are so desperate to get (you), why dont kill yourself? maybe you will show up at the news.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:20:40 No.6717297 >>6716938 >Q2MP bad how to spot the Quake Mapping Discord anon

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:21:46 No.6717303 >>6716559 I truly hope that someone makes a source port out of it for UC2 with working servers and a better rendering for UT 2004

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:25:42 No.6717312

>>6717297
I didn't call it bad, I called it the weakest in the series. I'd be willing to entertain an argument for Q4 or QC being the weakest, too. I've probably put more hours in to Q2 multiplayer than QW, Q4 and maybe QC, though that might actually be kind of close, so I don't think it's bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:26:37 No.6717317 >>6717297 Quake 2's multiplayer was really good, anyone who says otherwise is a larping zoomer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:38:59 No.6717341 >>6717236 It all happens so fast, is Kramer in there too?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 10:59:37 No.6717391 >>6717293 Remember to stream it for our viewing pleasure

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:01:12 No.6717395
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Been playing Reelism 2. It's definitely more polished than first one, but I can't help but feel like the smaller pool of stuff results in more moments where you simply can't survive due to bad combos of modifiers.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:06:41 No.6717406
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I have trouble setting up a server with doomseeker. How do I tell doomseeker my internal ip? It assumes it to be 127.0.1.1 which is 100% incorrect.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:17:52 No.6717442

>>6717065
Here was a proposed order from the last thread. Bear in mind that it needs some work since maps 07 & 15 have to stay in their slots. The current order can be view in the credits txt with the wad download
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1R-kQMBkCFC9v3e8bEtv1n-cOt9LkcjCn?usp=sharing

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:39:33 No.6717492 File: 103 KB, 640x270, unnamed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:42:59 No.6717503 File: 1.41 MB, 1160x696, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] IT KEEPS HAPPENING https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHUCsrNeYQ

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:46:45 No.6717508 >>6717503 What did we do to deserve such sin

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:46:54 No.6717509 >>6717503 NINTENDOOOOO

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:47:38 No.6717513

>>6717492
The QC design was a bit all over the place, some characters looked nice, others maybe not so much. Classic Doomguy looks weird as fuck because they looked at the extracted sprite and used that as reference, ignoring/unaware of that the sprite is supposed to display at an aspect ratio with 20% taller pixels, making his head look fucking squished vertically.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:48:30 No.6717516 >>6717503 i hate that metal music is basically in every modern "retro shooter", i liked the chiptuned tone of doom etc way more

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:49:35 No.6717517 >>6717492 This proves there isn't a single member of the original team working in QC or any other modern ID tittle for that matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:52:58 No.6717523 >>6717492 We're lucky he has his armor damaged at belly instead of having a designated abs window.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:53:15 No.6717524
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>>6717516
Doom was always supposed to be pretty metal, not all of it's music, but Romero straight up handed Bobby a stack of rock and metal CDs from his collection and told him something like "This is exactly how we want the music to sound like." That's the kind of music the guys really loved, and they wanted that kind of sound, hell, the aesthetics of Doom has a lot in common with heavy metal album covers of various kinds.

I do agree that there's a bit of an 'over-focus' on it by some people though, as Doom also had a lot of slow and tense music too (some inspired by movies). It's like how there's some people who only knows Duke Nukem 3D's music from Grabbag, and think it's all buttrock, when there's LOTS of slow and gloomy tension tracks in the game, more than fast action tracks even.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:55:16 No.6717526

>>6717523
I know that was always supposed to be battle damage, but I always loved the idea of it just being a midriff window, because that's the kind of shit you would see in old pulp art and on metal album covers, shit that doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense, but it's there to look badass.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:56:18 No.6717529 File: 3.36 MB, 1879x1037, HIRETHISMAN.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717509 Hire this man

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:58:46 No.6717534

Friendly reminder that the Q1, Quake 2 and 3 ports at bethlauncher are nothing but cut garbage inferior to the steam and GoG versions
>No Music
>No Videos
>No Mission Packs

And bethesda or even id doesn't give 2 fucks about it.
And brainwashed normies and zoomers on twitter are loving it

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 11:59:47 No.6717537 >>6717503 i cant stop laughing at the face sprites

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:00:06 No.6717538 >>6717534 Pretty sure GOG is the only place where you can get the game with the music.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:01:10 No.6717540 >>6717503 >can barely hear the bang of the shotgun for the SPLORCH noises of the blood Why do these people never have any understanding of sound design at all?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:02:04 No.6717542 >>6717538 The GoG versions comes with everything. Q2 comes with all 3 packs, same goes to Q1 and Q3A with TA in it. its just id and bethesda being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:02:44 No.6717545 >>6717503 Why would you ever put motion blur into a game willingly?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:02:52 No.6717546 File: 69 KB, 858x783, Снимок.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717538 That's where you're wrong, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:04:14 No.6717549 https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027 Is BTSX E2 even done?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:04:19 No.6717551 >>6717545 I think it's fine if you make it very subtle, and only have it show for really fast movement.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:08:53 No.6717556 >>6717056 The guy said software fog looks nicer and im saying I would use that but I don't like the lighting so I don't use software in general.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:11:19 No.6717561

>>6717545
people shoves in it to hide the serrated polygons and add some smoothness in it.

>>6717492
>>6717517
Marph, stop shitposting here and GO FINISH Postal 4.
Also eternal's head is better than the QC model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X6ZqfnsVvU

its literally Q3A Doomguy, with angry madman eyes.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:15:24 No.6717572 >>6717546 >russian Go back to 2ch, cishet white male scum.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:16:05 No.6717573 >>6717572 Nah, it's too gay in there.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:30:58 No.6717592

>>6716554
Are there anybody who can tell tge difference between the levels? I'm pretty good at spotting the styles of Sandy, American and Romero in Doom, but I couldn't do that in Quake in a million years without credits. There is no good or bad level there. All of them are the same.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:32:33 No.6717596 >>6717549 https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/69960-back-to-saturn-x-episode-2-is-out-of-beta-v100-aug-13-2020/?do=findComment&comment=2172295 It is now.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:33:52 No.6717601 File: 46 KB, 312x312, puke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717503 >>6717529

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:34:38 No.6717602

>>6717592
I know there's a level where you find a thunderbolt in water, and since you auto switch to new weapons, you'll probably die, since the thunderbolt empties all of it's ammunition at once if it's discharged into water, and you take damage from that.
That being said, if you find that one, it's a high possibility that level was by Romero

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:35:29 No.6717606 >>6716557 BTSX E2 is no longer in beta: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2172295 It is also now in the bethesda/console ports: https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1293934149628289027?s=20

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:39:38 No.6717616 >>6717549 >>6717596 >>6717606 Kinda disappointed that there isn't a new secret level like what Episode 1 got when it was no longer in beta.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:42:04 No.6717621 any mods that are basically just reskins of the vanilla weapons? I was enjoying D4V but the shotgun and chaingun have faster firing rates.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:55:53 No.6717651 >>6717621 Doom Ultracompact Cosmetic Kit It reskins the monsters too. I removed the knife animation that replaces the fists though, because it was garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:56:05 No.6717652 >>6717529 Honestly looks neat ignoring the absolute rape of an artstyle which this zombie model is.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:58:14 No.6717654 >>6717621 Eriguns is pretty nice

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:58:35 No.6717657 >>6717503 All that work for nothing

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 12:59:26 No.6717659 >>6717592 Sandy's levels use a fuckton of shadows, sometimes even too much, and they're the hardest. Once you check who made which maps you can notice all McGee's maps have pretty much the same theme.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:06:16 No.6717683 >>6717503 What is the point of this?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:09:17 No.6717692 >>6717652 it's all premade assets.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:22:05 No.6717752 >>6717652 It has the charm of a Unity asset flip

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:22:24 No.6717753

>>6717683
GRAPHICS
NO PIXELSHIT

that's prety much the sentiment behind this. For some poeple shitty 3D is better than "pixel shit" of any uality, and "HD Graphics" take precedent over whether or not it actually looks good.

those people never managed to develop a taste

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:24:24 No.6717760 >>6717753 Most of them are also Slavs

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:36:54 No.6717792
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I joined a few doom fb groups. When people there talk about "Doom" they are talking about 2016 + Eternal by default.

Why are zoomers so retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:42:11 No.6717806 >>6717442 Again, I'd like to say Barge In and Lobachevsky need to be some of the very first maps people see. They're easier and they showcase quality. NO ONE will play through our WAD if the mediocre levels are the first six levels.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:47:07 No.6717817

>>6717806
I agree. Drunk loser would be another good early one. I don't think grouping levels by theme or even difficulty is as important as making sure the stand out levels are evenly dispersed with more standard beginner levels to ensure a good pacing.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:47:56 No.6717819 File: 1 KB, 78x60, lost soul.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The original lost soul sprite looks so metal. Wish they kept the design.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:50:18 No.6717827

>>6717760
Eastern bloc only got NES in the 90's, when the rest of the world moved onto 16 bit, and very few got PCs that could be used for gaming. But in the 2000's the floodgates were open and people were thrust into the era of 3D right from the get go, without experiencing anything else.

For those people any kind of 3D or low res is not "retro" to be appreciated when it done right, but "archaic outdated shit that needs update"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:52:57 No.6717831 File: 373 KB, 719x540, 1597341177072.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717819 Your wish is granted! They kept both the original design AND original hitscan attack!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:54:02 No.6717834 I've played through Hexen twice without realising the gauntlets, shield and whatever other gear items is a permanent armor upgrade item. Doh.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 13:59:06 No.6717848 >>6717831 I like what REKKR did (gave the m resurrection ability)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:00:34 No.6717859 >>6717817 i vote defiled waters as map 01 since it was the very first map ever submitted and among the strongest in the map set. or black crest, to filter out all the noobs >>6717621 switch the chaingun to the HAR

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:02:58 No.6717865 >>6717834 Except they are not permanent and break with damage

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:09:22 No.6717883
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>>6717503
>"lol this looks silly"
>look at like/dislike bar, it's overwhelmingly liked
>look at comments, they're overwhelmingly positive

A-am I the dick here? Like I know most of you guys don't like how it looks either but how come the audience over there loves it?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:10:24 No.6717889 >>6717792 >Using Facebook in YooL 2020 What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:12:29 No.6717893 >>6717883 Most people have shit taste unfortunately.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:14:27 No.6717901

>>6717893
I just have to wonder if I'm unironically being the asshole contrarian for the sake of being the asshole contrarian and going along with groupthink or something. Second guessing my own perception. I was going to share this with some friends but then I realized "what if they reply that it looks cool? what then? then i look like the idiot"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:15:43 No.6717903 >>6717883 we don't waste time watching or interacting with shit like that

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:16:49 No.6717906 >>6717903 who's we

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:19:08 No.6717913 >>6717906 The gremlins in his head

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:20:02 No.6717915

>>6717492
>"dude, we at id are developing deep lore for doom, so you can invest more into doom because we're such nerds"
>nu id can't even invest in doom as much as decino or marph in terms of doom knowledge and accuracy, which is why most easter eggs and throwbacks are always E1M1 DAISY RIP AND TEAR DOOR and more basic shit
i guess taking the doom "universe" more seriously just makes you look weird, which is why marph makes his tweets in a jokey way

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:20:22 No.6717916

>>6717883
A lot of people don't have very good taste as kids (which a lot of these people are), and a lot of people never really develop a sense of taste ever.
I think that with some people, if you explain it in clear enough terms and while not coming across as hostile or obsessive, they can be willing to reexamine things like these from your perspective, and they might just come to the conclusion that "God, it actually DOES look really awkward and janky!"

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:20:48 No.6717917

How would you guys feel about a Quake Redux project, where you can replay the original id maps but with increased enemy count but with lower health on some of the spongiest enemies like the Ogres or the Fiends?
Since, you know, Quake put 2 enemies' total health into 1, a lot of people complain that the weapons don't feel as powerful and that the enemies are too spongey. I think it might be a fun project to do, but I'd like to hear some thoughts first.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:22:02 No.6717919 >>6717906 i mean most people don't actively seek out bullshit to downboat and leave negative comments about. the people liking it were probably looking for eBiN hD dOoM rEmAkE!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:23:11 No.6717920 >>6717792 You would probably have to look for a group specifically about older games. Facebook is however the stomping grounds of the most basic bitch casuals, so your results don't surprise me.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:23:30 No.6717923

>>6717534
official releases lacking stuff is why source ports, mods and patches are important
because in the end, it's always the fanbase that's gotta make the games more faithfull and care about history and documentation
but slayer's club told me doom is eternal because people keep buying the mini slayer statues

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:25:22 No.6717928 >>6717889 Best hate speech memes are on fb

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:25:36 No.6717929 >>6717819 could have been a side species, like a cyber lost with a different role

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:26:12 No.6717935

>>6717917
I never agreed with people saying Quake's enemies being too spongy, the game gives you plenty of good firepower and plenty of Quad Damages. I figure a lot of people who do make that complaint aren't willing to adjust for how the shotguns are less powerful than in Doom, or how the Shambler takes half damage from explosions.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:28:13 No.6717940 >>6717920 >basic bitch casuals My mistake was not looking for modding, there are doom modding groups and my problem was solved.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:29:42 No.6717949 >>6717906 https://youtu.be/-Ye01xHfzJU

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:31:15 No.6717953 >>6717883 Normies have no taste

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:36:24 No.6717970

Some people say Quake is "just Doom in 3d" but i think that or even something like Prodeus or Wrath is how to bring Doom designs to 3d models
Something that still keeps the "capped" animations and some 3d elements, almost cel-shaded or low res and with less polygons

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:39:28 No.6717980 >>6717970 yeah quake is much more bullet spongy If 64 came before quake, THEN it would just be doom in 3d cause of all the hell knights

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:47:19 No.6717994 >>6717917 Ogres and Fiends die in 2 or 3 blasts from a common ammo type, so they aren't "spongey" unless you're a dweeb who runs around with the shotgun all the time

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:48:28 No.6717995

>>6717970
>"capped" animations
You mean stepped I assume. Yeah, I like that style. NiNoKuni should've done that to better match the limited animation style of Anime. Having the background look as great as they did (matching the background style of animes), and then the animations be super smooth was jarring. You get the same issue with many modern boomershooters and what-have-you.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:55:58 No.6718014 >>6717994 its the same fags who calls Q2 sponge too because they keep using SMG instead of point blank SSG shots or rockets/grenades.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:57:07 No.6718019 File: 413 KB, 600x525, 112943867.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717236

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 14:58:29 No.6718024 >>6717040 I had to cheese that part, I got on the platform right up in its face, pushed it towards the edge some how manage to "glitch" the Archvile out. It stopped attacking and I finished it off with my mouth

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:00:42 No.6718030 >>6717236 fucking KEK

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:03:36 No.6718036 >>6717865 Wtf? The wiki didn't mention that. Proof?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:07:42 No.6718050 >>6718036 Theyre just armor pools that absorb damage and degrade. But you have a default starting armor amount that never goes down (varies by class), which may be what led you to think they were permanent.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:07:59 No.6718052 File: 82 KB, 1080x706, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718036 >The wiki didn't mention that ???

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:21:42 No.6718094 >>6718052 Man's probably using the bad wikia one

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:39:42 No.6718141 >>6718094 Yeah, but how else are you supposed to learn how this or that was changed in Brutal Doom?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:41:08 No.6718148 >>6718141 My head fucking spins when I accidentally go on that wiki and then I see mention of how this or that feature works in Brutal Doom, what kind of dipshit is maintaining that thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:43:00 No.6718157 >>6718148 If doomwiki is idgames then Wikia is ModDB. Spotty inconsistent info from mostly outside the core doom community.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:43:30 No.6718158 >>6718148 it's like writing an article about a character's role in some story, then including what their role is in someone's fanfiction

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 15:58:42 No.6718202 >>6717503 Looks washed out

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:04:58 No.6718219 >>6717236 Cable boy? My poor little cable boy!

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:05:12 No.6718221

>>6718014
I understand why people criticize Quake 1 for having resilient enemies, they have usually just completed Doom and have moved on to the next id title, confused as to why the shotguns don't work the exact same way. I've never heard of your example, though. Many criticize Quake 2 for having unsatisfying weapons, the SMG being the biggest example, and no one ever seems to use it once the chaingun is acquired.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:05:14 No.6718223
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>>6717503
>front falling death animations
>on imps no less
Am I the only one who hates this? Makes you feel like your weapons pack no punch at all, especially if they aren't even knocking over weaker enemies.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:08:38 No.6718236 >>6717279 That's sunlust, mine behave differently

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:12:08 No.6718246 Is it somehow possible to exclude spider mastermind from infighting? That would probably really improve their relevance.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:12:49 No.6718251 >>6718246 With Decorate? Sure, though being an enemy that spews out hitscans, that feels almost like a waste.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:13:01 No.6718252
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Not much happening in my project. I redid the HUD (I know many will not like having bars with no numbers, but I don't really have a choice), learned to do a swimmable water, and doing some research for implementing the Important Game Mechanic, which is magic. I've seen guns+magic in many mods, and I'm not really satisfied with their implementation, so I'm gonna do my own spin on the concept. I need to implement two spells, make a proper placeholder model for a grenade launcher, placeholder items, and then start making textures for a proper level.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:14:57 No.6718257

>>6718251
It always gets tangled in infighting, either damages other monsters through its spray and pray attack or gets damaged because of its enourmous hitbox.

If it never retaliated nor be retaliated against, it could actually keep attention on the player. Damaging and being damaged by accidental attacks would still be ok.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:15:06 No.6718258 >>6717503 This looks OD af Anyone know if it works with Brutal Doom?

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:15:36 No.6718260

>>6718221
SMG is useful for guards due to pain state
Enforcers needs 1 point blank SSG or 2.

Chaingun wastes tons of ammo, but good for flying mooks like fucking drones, but its easily outclassed by the hyperblaster.
Reckoning becomes easy once you get the ripper and the phalanx

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:23:13 No.6718280 File: 663 KB, 1909x2797, Doom 1&2 soundtrack.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6717516 >>6717524 Nealy the whole doom soundtrack is "stolen" metal

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:32:54 No.6718301 >>6718280 Some of these are really long shots. I don't think there's anything in Starless that sounds like Sign of Evil.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:34:19 No.6718304 >>6718246 Placing one in a room alone with the player would solve that problem.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:35:06 No.6718307

>>6717524
Couldn't agree more, all the nuDoom shit is just too focused on the metal, e1m1 remix is fucking garbage. Modern "retro" shooters should think of something new instead of being copycat faggots(paying tribute to old games is one thing but ffs dont brownnose and copy)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:35:06 No.6718308 >>6718223 I'm all for direction-dependent death animations.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:35:32 No.6718309 what doom eternal features does reelism 2 have besides that machine gun and the tyrant? i thought i saw those energy shield soldiers in the trailer

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:44:36 No.6718321 >>6718280 >wikia Only a quarter of what's in this list is easily verified, and the best tracks from the games are original works. I'd rather have more stuff like Kitchen Ace and Sinister than the umpteenth E1M1 tribute.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:51:51 No.6718348 File: 168 KB, 999x826, E1M6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me, it's e1m6. The best doom level

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:54:02 No.6718359 LADS https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=883642 >ROTTEXPR - Sourceport for Rise of the Triad: Dark War

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:56:39 No.6718371 >>6718359 At the end of the day it's still ROTT

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:57:55 No.6718379 >>6718371 Which is an excellent game.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 16:58:02 No.6718380 >>6718371 At the end of the day ,is /vr/'s wish to mating press Lorelei Ni.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:01:36 No.6718393 >>6718359 Meh, still better than that 2013 remake.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:05:03 No.6718409

>>6718307
Nudoom isn't even metal, it's that weird dubsteppy/djent shit.
I agree with the modern throwback stuff though. None of these "boomershooters" even try doing anything to spice up a formula for a genre that's been almost entirely exhausted. They always try selling themselves on "being like the old games," offering nothing new, and failing to even reproduce things that make the old games memorable.

A poster a few threads back was complaining about how bad this game was.
ttps://store.steampowered.com/app/753590/Hellbound/
I don't remember what his specific complaints were, but it doesn't matter. Looking at the flat arena levels and Nudoom piss filter in the gameplay footage shows off everything you need to know. The trailer even does what Dusk did by referencing the games it claims to emulate. The logo literally uses Doom's font. A majority of the titles released in this new wave of FPS can be described as "this game from the 90s with some elements from another game."

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:18:42 No.6718435 >>6718246 You could even do it with Dehacked in a hacky way, swap it with the Archvile so it gets the Archvile's special trait of not being targeted by other monsters.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:22:03 No.6718447 File: 27 KB, 496x382, Screenshot_2020-08-08 Facebook.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718409 >in development from 2016 >funded in kickstarter >2 enemies, 7 maps. >"making more levels would make oUr game worst."

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:22:45 No.6718450 File: 13 KB, 512x512, 1563551373362.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718409 >Djent isn't metal

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:23:21 No.6718452 >>6718435 It would lose it's immunity to sideblasts from rockets, and wouldn't trigger 666 tags.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:24:51 No.6718460 >>6718409 How the fuck is it supposed to be a full game with 7 levels only. I can't believe that's just it, is it some weird kind of an early access thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:24:53 No.6718461 >>6718450 djent is a human dogshit metal genre

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:25:01 No.6718462 File: 17 KB, 680x671, glaring ninja.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718447

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:25:14 No.6718463 >>6718460 Seems more like a shitty, lazy dev thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:27:55 No.6718472 >>6718461 I like it.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:29:54 No.6718479

>>6718447
>2 enemies
>7 maps
C'MON! WOLFENSTEIN 3D CAME OUT WITH A FUCKING SHAREWARE DEMO IN 1992 AND THAT HAD MORE ENEMIES AND LEVELS THAN THAT
AND THERE WAS EVEN MORE IN THE FULL GAME
AND THAT WAS BACK WHEN FPS AS A CONCEPT WAS BASICALLY COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED TERRITORY

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:29:54 No.6718480 >>6718450 We could get into the details of all the genres and subgenres, but come on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8uTG0uyjZQ

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:30:13 No.6718481 >>6718472 then you might be a human dog

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:37:23 No.6718507

>>6718307
new doom also suffers from trying to be too nerdy with the
>lore
>higher focus on fantasy and sci-fi
>pop culture refereneces and homages
>the literal arcade pick ups
>marketable toys in game
when classic doom was nerdy but different
the kind whose devs were somewhat counter culture because of the topics they covered and one of them was into judo and hacker culture, the latter being a reason why doom is even source code
so it's a difference between when nerds weren't cool vs when they became marketable
new doom also has what i call "safe edge" because it hypes up on being "cool" but it feels calculated
like a marketable version of "cool" that doesn't work when you have intentionally cartoony voice acting and shit like that
>>6718409
anytime someone makes a throwback heavy game, they need to know what "eat lead the return of matt hazard" is

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:40:53 No.6718518 >>6718507 >Literal arcade pick ups Because original dooms spheres aren't literal arcade pickups?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:41:42 No.6718521 >>6718507 >lore i makes me violent when people discuss DOOM lore

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:45:32 No.6718532
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>>6718518
wolfenstein 3d was arcade
doom items still looked like objects that belonged to the universe and had actual designs
the only reason eternal did this was because of visual feedback, which could have still be better
otherwise, they look uninspired
eternal is the only game in the series that ever did this
even the power ups in quake could be seen as some magic runes, at least
eternal also feels like it's doing this just because "gameplay is first in doom, so here's how aware it is that it's a video game"
it's like the new paper mario games reminding you they're paper because that's what paper mario is, apparently

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:47:02 No.6718534 >>6718532 Eternal feels like they had to cut corners and rush shit despite getting pushed back. But the worst thing about it is it's not fucking retro.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:48:17 No.6718537 >>6718479 To be fair, Wolf3D levels could be shat out at incredible speed because of how simple the game is. IIRC, it took them a day to make a proper level.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:49:19 No.6718540 >>6718479 And by the way, it wasn't completely unexplored territory, Wolf3D wasn't even the id's first FPS game.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:51:09 No.6718547

>>6718507
Marketability is all you have to say. Doom had a resurgence of mainstream attention this decade, so id, bethesda, zenimax or whoever decided to capitalize on it by casting a wide net and making something "safe." Something gets big, said thing makes money, said thing needs to make more money, said thing ends up turning into something else.
I think about the in-game radio operator calling the protagonist Doomguy, I think about the constant popup tutorials teaching you how to shoot things, I think about them shoving Dopefish everywhere because "hey, the original team did it!" It's almost a hollow parody.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:51:12 No.6718548 >>6718450 Not all Djent is metal, no. Sure, theres stuff like Meshuggah, which is metal. But theres a lot of Djent bands that are more rooted in prog rock, I've noticed.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:51:57 No.6718550 >>6718507 >pop culture refereneces and homages poor argument, all of the build trilogy does this with namedropping action, horror, and martial arts references constantly

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:52:59 No.6718554 >>6718540 It wasn't, but Catacomb 3D and Hovertank 3D were incredibly rudimentary next to Wolfenstein 3D, a game which is already quite simplistic. It was a VERY young genre where iD themselves would be the ones to establish a lot of the conventions.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:53:03 No.6718556 >>6718548 Real metal has soul which djent doesn't have.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 17:55:04 No.6718561 >>6718556 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcm9qqo_qB0 tornado of SOUL

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:01:39 No.6718585 >>6718550 in classic doom it wasn't always blatant the build trilogy did it because they're the build trilogy and had characters to fit that

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:09:07 No.6718598 >>6718550 Duke 3D was only constantly throwing pop-culture references in E4. First three episodes were a lot more spread out, and usually in secrets.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:12:59 No.6718609 It's depressing when all the badass pop culture references are still from 40-50 years ago

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:13:22 No.6718613 >>6718550 Those games aren't the only classic first person shooters, and those games were done (mostly) by one developer where that was their style.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:14:18 No.6718616 >>6718598 That too. Duke's E4 feels almost like a bonus episode, just going full whack.

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:28:57 No.6718650 >>6718280 Donna to the rescue took a sped up Midi of a Soundgarden track. Some of these are questionable

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:35:46 No.6718665 >>6717061 What about E4M3?

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>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 18:56:56 No.6718732 >>6718665 I kind of like it, but it's not quite as strong as the first two, and not as challenging.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 19:24:02 No.6718786 >>6718616 Episode 4 was when Randy joined, right? I felt it went a little too heavy-handed on the references, what with the first level being the whole Mission Impossible thing, but it could just be seen as a funny little add-on with a new boss.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 19:30:45 No.6718802 >>6718786 It's also made from Beta leftovers. The quality is kind of all over the place, featuring some of the very worst levels of the original four episodes, but also some of the very best.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 19:53:07 No.6718865 >>6718537 I have no familiarity with the tools and I'd be willing to bet I could make 3 decent maps in a day until I ran out of ideas 10 maps in.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 19:56:31 No.6718876 File: 250 KB, 500x500, give me a HUUH, man.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey /vr/, where are the weapon damage or monster health files located in Quake II's .pak files? I'm using pakexplr and I want to do a glass canon run.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 19:57:14 No.6718879 >>6718359 Is this port good at all?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:07:28 No.6718902 >>6718879 It's pretty finicky but functional. Biggest problem I can identify if the HUD scaling either being to small or too large at high res

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:08:53 No.6718904

Cheers, I know I am too late for the 2048 party, but I still wanted to see what I can do. Turns out I am extremely uncreative. While listening to Slayer I filled an arena with stuff and added some heavy scripting (good machine and latest GZDoom version recommended, as I tested on that). The level has a "regular" exit and a secret one that is rather tedious to reach heavenly numbers and many Cyberdemons and has you fighting a very strong boss in another 2048 level.
Right now I still have the following issues:
>chainsaw y/n (makes it easy grinding for the secret exit)
>general ideas for making purgatory bleaker
>some linedefs on automap probably
>empyrean ending eden good or would mounting the throne be the better?
>ideas for making the eden view more attractive
>better sky for eden? I am too retarded to understand skyboxes
>some intense scripting because I suck at programming

Feedback is greatly appreciated, sorry I have no pictures, but apparently some subhuman piece of shit in my IP range has been banned from uploading files.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/berlj5hmvv4z4tm/SlaytanicFunhouse.pk3?dl=0

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:15:17 No.6718921 >>6718902 send feedbacks on github, if all of /vr/ does it, this and force engine may be the best shit of this year.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:20:20 No.6718939 >>6718879 Trying to use mouselook locks me to about 100 degrees of movement. It's like my cursor hits a wall. Turning with arrow keys works fine, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:28:10 No.6718963 >>6718939 The mouse look for me is fine, it's just very stiff overall. Otherwise it seems to be playing fine in 1920x1080 widescreen. Good stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:45:51 No.6719004 >>6718904 Forgot to say, it IS supposed to be edgy and pretentious, so don't take it seriously. And please tell me if you found the secret boss fight too easy or too hard.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 20:58:45 No.6719043 Any updates on the 2048 beta? What’s left to do?

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:00:41 No.6719047
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Beat the first level. Mouse aim is a lot better if you lower the threshold, and sensitivity.

Seems to be a decent port, no crashes, runs fine in 1920x1080.

Floor has rendering issues when looking, but that's expected since it always happens with these ports.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:27:23 No.6719108 >>6719043 Organiser anon got the rona.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:35:20 No.6719138 >>6719043 See if Good Boy's Club has been fixed yet. I'm not doing it cause i'm too lazy.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:36:31 No.6719142

>>6719108
Nah, I'm better. Gonna try and figure out a better maplist and post a new beta update sometime tomorrow. I saw the list an anon posted earlier, not sure if I agree with Gatehouse being the very first map though. Gotta find a good map to draw in people's attention.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:36:37 No.6719146 >>6719138 It got an update last thread as did a few other problematic maps.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:44:05 No.6719168 >>6719142 What if you move those mediocre tech/lab maps to the extra wad and let mappers make new ones that actually uses the gothic textures? I think this month is enough time to have this wad finished

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:45:41 No.6719174 >>6719142 Good news. I'm working on setting par times for the maps using the DTWID method (beat it as fast as I can on HMP, round to the nearest 15 seconds then add 30 seconds).

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:51:57 No.6719189 File: 108 KB, 220x376, wrigglers.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718876 pls respond

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 21:55:53 No.6719198 >>6718532 >"gameplay is first in doom, so here's how aware it is that it's a video game >this is a bad thing I've been playing DOOM a long time, since before I could even type on a keyboard. Despite the shitty story, Eternal rules.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:00:56 No.6719216

>>6719146
Yes, but did the updates fix or break the levels? I'll check em myself in a few hours but it seems like I'm the only person offering feedback on these maps/updates. I don't mind doing it, I like to do it, but it's probably too subjective when it comes down to just me okaying the ammo count/setups/etc, rather than at least a couple anons.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:02:00 No.6719220 >>6718876 >>6719189 That's not how Quake 2 works. You'll need to make an actual mod.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:05:13 No.6719228 >>6719142 Hey man, I finished up Inner Cloister and posted it in the previous thread >>6708247 Wasn't sure if you noticed it or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:05:32 No.6719229 >>6719220 How would I go about doing that? I thought it'd be like Doom and Slade.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:05:48 No.6719232
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>>6716776
Just as a general shout out, we're always looking for more sprite artists, coders, etc. if anyone is interested in contributing. The team's still pretty small!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:07:02 No.6719235 File: 52 KB, 316x294, 30376704.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719232 That filter

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:09:19 No.6719240

>>6719198
but i feel like if you don't dislike the bright neon items, you don't like them either, just think they're "meh"
as opposed to some objects or artifacts with more memorable designs that fit the art style and, because of the new games, have some "lore" behind it
it's a case of
>nobody likes it, even if they don't hate it either
vs
>something that could be memorable or talked about
what's weirder is that they still used actual power ups (even if berserk was used like once) so it's only certain objects that went the arcade direction
even weirder, they used it for items that are only picked up once or are meant to be picked up for story reasons and mandatory upgrades (like dashing for example)
it feels disconnected

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:10:43 No.6719245 File: 55 KB, 619x597, l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719232

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:11:12 No.6719246

>>6719229
Grab the "game" directory from the source of whatever client you're using (or vanilla, which should work with most clients), make whatever changes you want to make, then compile it to game.so or game.dll or whatever the shared object needs to be called for your client and your platform.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:11:24 No.6719248

>>6719168
I'd (LunchLunch) be willing to pump out another map if we go this route. I don't think it's really fair to those other authors though unless they themselves don't like their maps. Although the authors of Shipwreck Cavern and Precipice HQ are MIA- if anons don't like those maps we could boot them over to the extra WAD. I don't personally hate either map though tbqh.
If anything, I vote for making Barge In the first map over Gatehouse. It's a unique and fun introduction. I quite like the first half of Gatehouse though

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:14:07 No.6719253 >>6719228 Going along with this, 2048 LEAD ANON, double check and comb the last couple threads for updates, I know there were a few and you may have missed them if you were sick

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:15:07 No.6719256 File: 1.56 MB, 250x316, Yer ugleh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719235 yes, yes, we get it It's. ugleh

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:16:43 No.6719258 Long levels suck.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:18:16 No.6719260 File: 864 KB, 1920x1017, Screenshot_Doom_20200813_191143.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719235 Old pic, but yeah. I need to take some new ones while I play.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:19:18 No.6719264 File: 921 KB, 1920x1017, Screenshot_Doom_20200813_191732.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719260

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:19:29 No.6719265

>>6719240
I'm thinking about the soulsphere mostly but I appreciated the classic design, it looks out of place but also so right.
I appreciate that the ammo and pickups are bright, they stand out so you can easily distinguish them from the battlefield. You're right, DOOM Eternal focuses on gameplay first, that's what makes it fun to play you contrarian dork.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:24:52 No.6719272

>>6719265
i just think it didn't need to be "self aware" because if it's already gameplay first, the job is already being done
the problem with "self awareness" is that it feels like it has to remind you too much of what it is, causing an opposite reaction of "maybe it's not the thing it thinks it is" because at times it feels forced
it's like when a friend you know has amnesia and you help him recovering his memories but he ends up behaving differently, like he's trying too hard to be himself
or those scenes in some movies where a character is killed/kidnapped and replaced with an infiltrator using their appearence, while some characters say "hey why is danny acting strange?"
there's being a videogame and telling me it's a videogame
it's like a problem with irony poisoning and sincerity

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:25:30 No.6719273 >>6719248 A lot of people (myself included) disliked Shipwreck Cavern. I don't remember Precipice HQ at all, so I guess it must be pretty average.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:26:26 No.6719276

>>6719246
>then compile it to game.so or game.dll or whatever the shared object needs to be called for your client and your platform
Alright, I think I figured everything you said up until this line. How do I compile the "game" directory into a game.dll?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:27:57 No.6719283 >>6719276 With a C compiler. Ideally the same one used to build your client.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:31:55 No.6719289

>>6719168
>>6719248
I (Washing Machine Enthusiasts) could do another map as well, but I agree it's not particularly fair to discard maps submitted before the deadline unless they're bad and the authors are unwilling to fix them or MIA.

Was Shipwreck Cavern fixed up from the softlocking invisible wall decoration-blocking mess? If not, I'd support ditching that.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:46:20 No.6719329 >>6719168 You want to kick out half the maps because they didn’t use the completely-optional-as-specified-in-the-rules textures?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:48:59 No.6719335 File: 1.41 MB, 1366x768, controller thumb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719283 Thank you, this doesn't seem that difficult actually.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 22:54:42 No.6719352 >>6719329 Idk, ask the anons that are very disappointed having those boring generic maps.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:02:31 No.6719369 >>6719246 Not him, but why couldn't you just edit the already established client dll file instead of creating/compiling your own?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:04:59 No.6719371 >>6719369 I mean, you probably could if all you want to do is change health and damage values, but it would be more work than just building from source.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:06:19 No.6719373 >>6719335 what the hell is that thing? Is it from half life? doom 3? some unholy combination?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:10:19 No.6719378 >>6719373 STALKER

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:12:57 No.6719383 >>6719378 oh so the third one but with more Chernobyl?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:22:45 No.6719418 Roundabout cliffside was really dull

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 13, 2020 23:36:46 No.6719464 >>6719418 Yeah but at least he's not MIA and he did put out an update (last thread I think?). Haven't played it yet but I'll be posting in a few hours on these new updates

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 00:04:58 No.6719534

>>6718532
I just picked up DE, and I agree with you for the most part.
My biggest gripe with it though is that they limit your ammo to force you to switch weapons more, which locks you into a specific gameplay loop. There is a "right" way to play DE and any other way that you do is inferior. No room for play, just one technique. They try to make up for it by letting you change your loadout or whatever, but that all feels like a band-aid on the problem.
It's not horrible, it's just not as fun as Olde Doom, 2016, or even Doom 3 for me.
Maybe it picks up. I'm still pretty early in the game, but it didn't start off on a good foot for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 00:06:13 No.6719537 >>6719383 I don't know what you mean by that. If it's that STALKER is a combination of HL and Doom 3, you're off your rocker. You should play STALKER.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 00:08:31 No.6719541 >>6717606 Oh wow, the changes to map20 are pretty substantial. At least half the map is completely new, and the overall layout is now more non-linear with lots of options.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 00:57:13 No.6719646 What is the best snack to play Doom with?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:00:41 No.6719654

>>6718518
>>6718532
Speaking of arcadey it would be nice to see more Doom mods with stuff like extra lives or score like in Wolf3D.
>>6719534
Honestly, once you get better at the game it feels less restrictive on what you can do. Those weekly challenges they're adding are a nice way to try different things. Even the infamous marauder can be killed several ways once you learn them, although they are not all very obvious.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:10:09 No.6719667 >sgt mark is creating his brutal doom inspired standalone game in gzdoom what a fucking hack

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:12:11 No.6719671 >>6719667 Good for him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:13:02 No.6719673 >>6719667 He still makes stuff?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:13:29 No.6719675 >>6719646 spaghetti with meatballs

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:15:13 No.6719683 >>6716657 WOW! this level seems aweesome! i played blind up until the revenant/rocket trap and choked and died. thought it was really creative and fun until then. i'll come back if i play again and finish it. amazing if this is your first map!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:25:14 No.6719694 >>6719667 ...and?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:26:44 No.6719696 >>6719694 There's not really anything wrong with making a standalone game on a commonly used engine, so I don't get how he's a hack for it. Even if I don't like Brutal Doom.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:31:39 No.6719703 >>6719667 Who?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:33:17 No.6719705 >>6719667 At the rate he's going it'll take him another 3 years to make an alpha, and then another 6 to get out of early access.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:39:19 No.6719718 >>6719705 in 8 months he already made more assets than Doomworld made for FreeDoom in 12 years.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:53:02 No.6719735

>>6716657
>>6719683
yeah, wow, is this really your first map?

i just beat it, it was a ton of fun. i panicked and died when i got into the, uh "cyberdemon in the dark" area lol.

i got to the end with about 12 kills missing, then was lazy and used iddt to see where the remainder were. sorry i didn't snoop for them properly, want to sleep =(

it's a great map! shocking if really your first. my only comment is thati think the caco pit area is triggered by a linedef you might be able to cheese? wasn't totally sure and didn't test it, but felt possible.

good job! i enjoyed it. highlight for me was the first arch vile room desu; he got me over the pyramid my first time and i didn't expect it at all, though i had it between us.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:54:05 No.6719737 >>6719705 >>6719718 >>6719696 yeah seriously just let the guy have his fun, why is he being brought up and shit upon. go make maps and mods and contribute to the scene with the time you spend shitting on him

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 01:56:52 No.6719741 >>6719667 Oh my God, Who the hell cares?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:05:13 No.6719761 >>6719741 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:24:06 No.6719803 File: 59 KB, 720x960, 1593397120902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719683 >>6719735

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:25:11 No.6719804 >>6719667 Marky Mark makes good maps, if he's able to make cool maps that are designed to play well with BD's gameplay, it might be okay !

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:33:08 No.6719820 No custom wad has ever even come close to the quality of the vanilla levels. This is inarguable fact.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:36:30 No.6719824 >>6719803 Kitty!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:38:00 No.6719825 >>6719820 Nobody cares about your shitty mafia game. You are a has-been. Go fuck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:40:26 No.6719827 >>6719825 I don't get it.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:42:28 No.6719831
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>>6716557
~~~~ 2048 MAP UPDATES REVIEW ~~~~
>SUSPIRAL
Much better. There's enough ammo now that I can easily get 100% kills, but is still difficult due to the scarce/secret placement of health. Verdict: Finished
>MANIACAL MENSTRUATION
Couldn't really tell what the differences were, but it's been about a week since I played it last. I still think the chaingunner teleports by the yellow key are a little inconsistent but it's acceptable. Verdict: Finished
>GOOD BOY'S CLUB
There's more health which is nice, but there was also too much of it, there were like six medkits I didn't even touch and that was with making several mistakes. PIC RELATED: Is this seriously how you're supposed to progress in this level? You have to come through this innocuous tunnel? I don't remember doing this before. I actually thought I was softlocked for ~5 minutes. Anyways, this tunnel needs flashing lights and there should be lights around it, indicating that there's something there even when the wall is down (the current texture doesn't stand out enough in the dark). Verdict: Unfinished
>BAAL'S COLISEUM
Much better. There's still a ~5 second window on the elevator where there's nothing happening but I'll let it slide. We can call this as good as it will be (which is quite good) Verdict: Finished
>DARK SANCTUARY
Good, thanks for adding the caco back to the red room. I like the changes you made to the secrets. Not really a fan of the extra door in the library trap, you now get stuck in a square room with four hitscan chaingunners and an archvile with no cover whatsoever. You already had to know the trap to escape it (by triggering it and hauling ass backwards) but now I'd consider the trap to be unfair personally. Verdict: Unfinished
>ROUNDABOUT CLIFFSIDE
Good job, this is much more interesting geometry and verticality. It's better, but still kind of bland. I just took an adderall, if I'm feeling cheeky later, I'll edit your map again and you can check out/use the changes. Verdict: ???

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:50:45 No.6719843 >>6719827 I think I know what game the anon is speaking of. There was like this mafia-like 2D.5 I saw once made in like GameMaker or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:51:26 No.6719845 >>6719843 https://store.steampowered.com/app/604540/Empire_of_Sin/

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:54:20 No.6719850 >>6719845 Oh wow I forgot this even existed. Wasn't this supposed to come out like 2 years ago?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 02:55:11 No.6719852 Is Mr. Romero really posting here?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:07:18 No.6719865 >>6719852 I do, yeah. brutal doom roxxorz. total gibitude!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:09:21 No.6719870 >>6719865 Behold the power! The capacity for violence!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:31:16 No.6719906 >>6719696 >There's not really anything wrong with making a standalone game on a commonly used engine Hedon dev got a lot of shit for selling his game on doom engine.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:32:41 No.6719908 >>6719906 >Hedon dev got a lot of shit for selling his game on doom engine. But why?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:35:12 No.6719910 >>6719908 I dont know. I guess there is some autistic faction from the doom forums. "Im poor and mod doom since 20 years and you just sell it REEEEEEEE" Something like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:35:22 No.6719912 >>6719908 Because it started out as a free mod

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:37:42 No.6719915 Nothing based on zdoom deserves being paid for.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:56:05 No.6719935 File: 63 KB, 600x504, werf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716609 Too damn late.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:56:35 No.6719936 >>6719915 Enjoy being wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 03:58:44 No.6719940 >>6719936 Not him, but I'd be willing to pay for something like Golden Souls 2 or 3, Hedon doesn't seem up to snuff though, didn't care much for how some of the monsters work, or the weapons for that matter.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:04:04 No.6719946

>>6719940
While I didn't personally enjoy Hedon, I know there are people who does, and I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be a commercial game. The stuff Marky is showing on Twitter seems way above regular mods too. Jimmy and Batandy should follow their example and make their own stuff too. These people have way too much talent to keep wasting it for free forever on a rotten community governed by autists and psychopath troons.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:06:03 No.6719950 >>6719946 I agree. At this point, GZDoom is more of a bastard stepchild of unity and can be used as a games development platform. I personally want out though, I've spent my time with this engine and I'm ready to be done.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:09:21 No.6719956 I need to get back into quake mapping Doing my maps for HUH was a lot of fun but I haven't really touched it since

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:14:31 No.6719962

>>6719906
Did he really, or you just watched Gman's review where he complains about people complaining about Hedon being sold for money, even though he admits he never heard anything like this? I think Evilution was the last time when modders got shit for selling out, and it was mostly because they sold out a day before the release.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:18:42 No.6719972 You know how there's AD, Copper Quake and 1.5? Why don't they do that for Quake 2 and make it not a shit game?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:19:56 No.6719975 >>6719972 How would making mods that make the game worse improve the quality of Quake 2?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:22:23 No.6719976 >>6719972 At least Quake 2 is playable unlike some shit games.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:22:47 No.6719978 >>6719915 Doesnt matter what they "deserve", a product is worth what people will pay for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:23:56 No.6719980 >>6719978 And I will never pay for anything based on zdoom, as nothing based on zdoom deserves to be paid for.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:25:39 No.6719983 >>6719980 Your delusions of self-importance are truly something to behold. You actually live in a complex Matrix-like fantasy where you believe people care about your opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:26:41 No.6719984 >>6719983 You seem awfully upset. Are you mad I'm not going to buy the shitty mod you're working on or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:38:45 No.6719993 >>6719984 What, do I need to own some sort of Doom programming certificate to be allowed to laugh at your patheticness?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:44:29 No.6720000
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>>6719956
there were plans to do another q1 project after about a month of post-2048u breather room. would've been soon if not for 2048's qump-tier dev cycle.
I can host if it comes down to it, but somebody who isn't a discord luddite might be a better fit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:44:37 No.6720001 File: 793 KB, 923x865, egB9sxm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you guys think an SCP mod for Hideous Destructor using MTF field codes could work well?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 04:46:11 No.6720003 >>6719993 No, but I'd recommend getting some standards.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:06:21 No.6720024

>>6720003
What do you mean by standards? You are the one who seems awfully worried about the engine games are being made on, but in the real world, people pay for what they see and what they think it is worth and what is running under the hood is absolutely irrelevant. If you think a game is bad solely because it runs on GZDoom, it's entirely your own, irrelevant opinion.

For example, by judging by Steam reviews, Hedon (A GZdoom game) sold over ten times more than The Citadel (A Unity game).

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:06:52 No.6720027 What are some angled weapon packs for doom 2? IM kinda sick of centred view

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:07:52 No.6720029 >>6720024 >what is running under the hood is absolutely irrelevant Sure, if you have no standards.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:09:09 No.6720031 >>6720029 >people who enjoy Hotline Miami have no standards because it runs on GameMaker Imagine being this hopelessly wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:10:02 No.6720032 >>6720031 >zdoom is gamemaker Huh wow I had no idea.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:12:01 No.6720038 >>6720032 Have you ever tried making anything on Gamemaker? ZDoom is superior by any standard. That's an abomination of an engine, and it still spawned several successful games.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:14:23 No.6720041 >>6720038 >Have you ever tried making anything on Gamemaker? Yes. It's pretty trash from a developer's perspective (though zdoom is honestly worse), but it can produce solid games. Something zdoom can not.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:17:27 No.6720045 >>6720041 >Something zdoom can not. I'm eager to check out your attempts at making games on Zdoom.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:19:00 No.6720046 >>6720045 Why would I try to make a game with an engine that is incapable of producing a good game?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:20:10 No.6720047 >>6720046 Alright then, show me what "good games" you worked on. Because for me, it looks like you are just mad because a furry with a dominatrix orc fetish made something more popular than you will ever make with your fancy knowledge about Unreal.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:21:43 No.6720048 >>6720047 I haven't worked on any good games. Unreal is trash too, btw.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:26:36 No.6720054 >>6720048 >I haven't worked on any good games. Then maybe you should stop being a hateful person trying to destroy people who have the creativity and resolve to do something you never did, and maybe try to seek a healthier lifestyle?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:28:55 No.6720057

>>6720048
So you only worked on bad games or never worked on any games at all, yet you feel qualified to judge game engines. Dunning-Kruger if I ever seen one.

>>6720054
And you sound like a little bitch. "Boo-hoo haters". How is he destroying anything? Why are you validating him? Seriously, grow a thicker skin.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:28:57 No.6720058 >>6720054 Why are you mad that I wont pay for bad games? I'm sorry we can't all be droolies who give our money to anyone who asks for it irrespective of the quality of the product they want us to buy.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:32:02 No.6720062

>>6720057
>So you only worked on bad games or never worked on any games at all, yet you feel qualified to judge game engines. Dunning-Kruger if I ever seen one.
I'm judging the engines by the quality of the products made with them. That's hardly dunning-kruger.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:37:19 No.6720071 >>6720062 So you're saying that nothing worthwhile was ever produced for GZDoom, paid or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:38:13 No.6720073 >>6720071 Yes, nothing worth paying for has ever been produced using (G)ZDoom.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:43:05 No.6720075 >>6720073 That's exclusively your opinion. The rest of the world disagrees.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:45:10 No.6720081 >>6720075 Ok, Graf, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:48:07 No.6720085

>>6720081
>Brutal Doom 64 got a Game Awards nomination, and won a SXSW
>Total Chaos competed against popular Skyrim and Half-Life 2 mods, and ranked higher.
>Hedon outsold several Unreal and Unity shooters

It doesn't takes a Graf to acknowledge that GZDoom already produced stuff worth of prestige.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:49:33 No.6720089 >>6719956 Yeah me too, although I really wish Trenchbroom would support Q3, Wolfenstein and such.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:55:19 No.6720095 >>6720085 That is actually irrelevant. You can't argue that because some people like things made with gzdoom, two of which are free, that means that nobody except for me thinks it hasn't produced anything worth paying for.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:56:56 No.6720098 File: 671 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20190102-134546.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I play this with Quakespasm?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 05:58:09 No.6720104 >>6720098 Can't see why you wouldn't be able to based on the information in your screenshot.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:01:02 No.6720107 >>6720095 Mark's game is commercial, people are aware of it, and are still hyping it. While Wadaholic has nothing commercial planned, you can find several people on Moddb saying they would have paid for Total Chaos if it was a standalone game.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:03:16 No.6720115

>>6720107
That is still entirely irrelevant. If you're going to make a claim as bold as saying that I'm the only person who thinks nothing using gzdoom is worth paying for, you need stronger evidence than "some people think there have been things made worth paying for".

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:06:41 No.6720121 >>6718904 Polite bump for feedback.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:09:35 No.6720126

>>6720115
The engine has already achieved high levels of prestige, producing commercially successful games, and getting several industry awards and nominations for different projects.
It would take a massive number of people (preferably with similar feats on their curriculum) to state as a fact that the engine is not good. Until it doesn't happens, it's just your opinion, and an opinion going alone against a mountain of opposite facts disproving it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:10:32 No.6720130 >>6720115 What is irrelevant is your opinion. No one denies that there may be other people sharing your (objectively wrong) opinion, but they are minority, and not even vocal one.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:11:39 No.6720136 >>6720126 >It's just your opinion. Yeah. Where did I ever try to say "objectively everyone on the planet thinks zdoom is a bad engine"? I've been pretty consistent in arguing that I think anyone who likes anything based on zdoom has low standards.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:16:25 No.6720147 >>6719168 >>6719142 I could make another map if needed as well. Hell, it can go into the extra .wad and I'll still just make it anyway, because I had fun doing my other maps.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:18:11 No.6720150 >>6719260 >>6719264 Much better!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:19:05 No.6720151 >>6720136 To argue something you need to back up your claims somehow. What you've been doing is saying "zdoom bad zdoom bad zdoom bad" over and over again like a broken record. Tell us something new, please.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:22:09 No.6720158 >>6719418 I thought it was alright, bit plain to look at, but the gameplay was fine. The guy actually went to revamp the level after receiving criticism, don't know if he's uploaded the new version yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:23:56 No.6720161 >>6719667 I mean, that's what he knows, so sure. I expect the code to be pretty ugly to look at, and inefficient, but he generally makes most things run mostly like he intends them to.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:24:26 No.6720162 File: 31 KB, 400x400, all covered in blood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6719675

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:25:39 No.6720165 >>6719804 That's actually his greatest strength, so assuming that he'll be making the levels himself, the actual map design will probably be pretty good in the game he's making.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:26:42 No.6720168

>>6720151
In my. obviously subjective, opinion. Nothing that I, subjectively, think is worth paying for has been mad with zdoom. I don't really know what more you want from me than that, which I've already said, fag. You're the one who has been getting upset that I have an opinion that you don't like.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:33:36 No.6720172

>>6720168
So you've made a bold (and retarded) claim, got a butt concussion when no one agreed with you, and now you are trying to hide behind "it's subjective opinion" and "u mad lol". Next time, don't embarrass yourself and spare us from your other subjective opinion which, I believe, will be just as retarded as this one.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:35:37 No.6720174 >>6720172 Your "argument" is literally "you can't hold your opinion because it makes me upset and some people agree with me". I'm sorry you're so upset that people don't like the same trash as you, anon. Truly.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:40:28 No.6720181 >>6720174 Problem is, so far people had agreed with that other guy, but no one ever agreed with you. No one is upset in this situation except for you, that's why you are getting more and more defensive with every post.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:43:01 No.6720183 >>6720181 Why would I care if anyone agrees with me? It's literally an opinion about the quality of a small circle of niche video games.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:45:18 No.6720186 >>6720183 We may never know why, but you obviously do care a lot, because if you didn't, you would've stopped making a fuss out of it long ago.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:45:55 No.6720190 shut the fuck up fags

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:50:33 No.6720197 >>6720183 You have been holding your opinion against several different people for hours. This effectively destroys any "I don't care about other people's opinions on my opinion" argument before you can even make it up. So, don't.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 06:59:05 No.6720212 >>6720190 Another thread and there's an another gay bitchfight eh.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:06:21 No.6720218 Why are modern commercial fps so shit? Im more hyped for new episodes of stuff like blade of agony or ashes 2063 or hedon than any new fps. Wtf. Feels like im becoming a boomer.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:12:08 No.6720226 [DELETED]

>>6720218
Modern game budgets are too high, and publishers too greedy and risk averse, so only games that have been designed explicitly to not do anything that might turn away any potential customers are made. The result is an endless pile of generic, uninteresting games where 80% of the budget goes towards marketing campaigns designed to get as many people to buy the game as possible, because the games can't actually move copies without expensive marketing campaigns to make people think the game is more interesting than it really is, or by inducing a fear of missing out on the game that everyone will be talking about around the water cooler. For some reason people are dumb enough to fall for the marketing every time, so nothing changes.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:17:13 No.6720235

>>6719683
Yes, this is my first map, initially I wanted to make something small, but over the course of a week or so it slowly ballooned to what it is because I kept learning how to do new things and I wanted to try them out. I'm glad you liked it because I was afraid it might be too unfair at times.

>>6719735
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad to see such a positive response. I considered it, but I couldn't bring myself to remove the cyberdemon because I thought it was funny. The archvile pyramid is actually the idea that made me start building the map in the first place.
Also, due to the weird behavior of instantly lowering floors, the player will also instantly lower if they're standing on them. You can see this in map 10 of plutonia. Since I wanted the player to fall, they can technically trigger it without being over the pit, but I constructed the lead up so its unlikely this happens on a first play through. It doesn't break anything so I figured it was okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:24:35 No.6720248 >>6720001 >MTF field codes What autogynophiles use to communicate?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:26:25 No.6720251 >>6720001 Why is the symbol for "don't give up" a stick figure giving up?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:27:08 No.6720252 >>6720089 quark.sourceforge.net which supports more than that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:29:37 No.6720262 >>6720190 Aren't bitchfights fun though?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:31:24 No.6720267 >>6720226 I think the main issue is that all new fps are designed for console (gamepad) For some strange reason my original post was deleted.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:31:47 No.6720268 >>6720262 not when they go on for 6 hours straight

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:32:43 No.6720269 >>6720267 >strange reason It was posted on /vr/, but is not retro. Hardly rocket appliances.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:33:41 No.6720271 >>6720267 I lost faith in modern "retro"-FPS games when I saw first showcase of Wolfenstein: TNO gameplay where developers were showcasing it with a gamepad.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:33:54 No.6720272 >>6720248 I thought that was Discord?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:34:57 No.6720275 >>6720269 Makes sense. Didnt know talking about mods/tc´s is not allowed. Will keep in mind.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:35:14 No.6720276 >>6720271 I thought Dusk was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:36:33 No.6720278 >>6720275 Anon, you opened up with bitching about modern commercial FPS games.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:36:48 No.6720279 >>6720275 Mods and TCs are fine. Your post wasn't really about that, though. Sure, they were mentioned, but the post was asking why modern games are bad. Ergo, not /vr/.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:37:03 No.6720280

>>6719906
By who? GzDoom is open source and free for anyone to use, what they're actually selling is the content (levels, code, graphics, etc), which you run with the packaged copy of GzDoom.

As far as I know, that's completely allowed, they did that with Action Doom 2 years and years ago.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:40:21 No.6720285

>>6720280
Just because something is legally allowed doesn't mean people can't have a negative opinion of it being done. That being said, I've seen people talk about the Hedon dev being "shit on" for selling Hedon before, but I don't think I've ever actually seen the alleged shitting.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:41:35 No.6720287 >>6719912 I guess the mod was intended as a demo for the final product?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:44:13 No.6720292 >>6720001 Sure, that could be pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:46:06 No.6720293 >>6720029 I'm supposed to have some sort of imaginary standard over engines? If it runs like it should, and if the game is good, what does it fucking matter? Unless this Hedon thing crashes constantly, why is it important?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:55:52 No.6720309 >>6720276 It is, and it was my introduction to bunnyhopping. I'm glad I chose to play it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 07:58:11 No.6720315 Want a hoodie where the hood has a Cacodemon design so that the opening for your face is the Cacodemon's mouth.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 08:02:19 No.6720324 >>6720162 Please don't deal too much damage to those meatballs. You'll make a mess.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 08:14:10 No.6720338 Map 21 + 22 can fuck off. >Dude monster closets lmao >Dude giant rooms with 50 enemies Lmao This isn't good level design. Please fuck off.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 08:37:00 No.6720383

>>6719418
>>6720158
>>6719831
Last one was 2.1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xj1jqx3fn8iiz41/SandSculker%20-%20Roundabout%20Cliffside%20V2-1.wad?dl=1).). I haven't done any updates since then since I don't know how to sanely improve it at this point (I thought about lowering the keycard/fountain area and turning it into a short wave-based arena, where the floor raises based on current wave, but that sounds like a voodoo scripting nightmare).
Maybe it's done and its doomed to mediocrity, idk.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 08:41:53 No.6720391 File: 50 KB, 926x501, file-20171116-17112-19pygv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6720338 >Map 21 >check text file >it's my map

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:10:18 No.6720446 File: 871 KB, 1600x1200, Screenshot_Doom_20200811_005738.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6718904 Bumping AGAIN, this time with picture, hopefully.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:14:58 No.6720454

>>6720338
Based LunchLunch filtering the plebs. Defiled Waters is probably my favorite map in the megawad. Black Crest is really good too but Defiled Waters has more variety I think.
I also hate map22 though. It plays like complete garbage. Thin platforms while getting attacked by an archvile and arachnotron and other monsters, and your destination is blocked by imps and a revenant. Also the MIDI is still broken; it stops looking at ~3 minutes and gets all fucked up and sounds like shit. It bothers me that I reported it broken weeks ago and it's still in the megawad.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:24:24 No.6720475 >>6720454 It's been updated.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:34:31 No.6720484 >>6717929 >anon invented the sentry drone

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:52:18 No.6720516 >>6720038 >ZDoom is superior by any standard Imagine being so retarded that you think it actually makes sense to compare a doom port to a generic 2d engine

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:55:57 No.6720523

quick question, what are the good/bad 2048 maps? for me:

GOOD
>Retirement grease
>Ghost grotto
>Suspiral
>Bal's coliseum
>The dark sanctuary
>Welcome to peanut gallery

SHIT
>Good boy's club
>Lobachesky overdrive
>Gatehouse
>Precipice HQ
>Roundabout cliffside
>Arrogance and contempt

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 09:57:13 No.6720525 >>6716540 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:09:51 No.6720548 >>6720523 Stop judging the maps! All of them are equally good and you are just insulting them!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:11:37 No.6720554 >>6720548 t. Eggplant

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:11:55 No.6720556 >>6718865 Yeah you're a bullshitter zoomie

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:13:05 No.6720560 >>6719232 barf

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:40:56 No.6720629 >>6720548 We are sending the participation awards check your mail

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:51:57 No.6720654 >>6719260 Kinsie, its time to you to ask someone to make a AI upscaled pack for the sprites

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:57:04 No.6720667 >>6720654 So they look like absolute dogshit?!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:57:37 No.6720668 >most of these maps don't work in Crispy Doom What fucking witchcraft are you people using to tag your switches holy shit it's just a single fucking prompt you pricks

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:58:49 No.6720670 >>6719803 oh i was trying to make it clear i was the same person in those posts (and not the author of the map).

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:59:03 No.6720671 >>6720668 It's a Boom compatible wad you prick.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 10:59:47 No.6720672 >>6720671 WELL I ONLY USE CRISPY DOOM BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST YOU LIMP DICKED ASSHOLE

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:00:39 No.6720676 >>6720672 >best >can't run Boom format maps

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:01:03 No.6720678 >>6720672 I AGREE BUT COOL FUCKING RANCH JUST USE PRBOOM YOU DOUBLE NIGGER

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:02:23 No.6720679 >>6720676 Stop building maps for a fucking source port that HASN'T BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR OVER TEN FUCKING YEARS >>6720678 FINE. THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY, YOU COON

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:02:42 No.6720681 File: 157 KB, 648x2452, rocketjumping.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:02:45 No.6720682

>>6720235
oh okay

i don't think it was unfair at all. e.g., with the revenant trap, it was pretty funny. i grabbed the rocket launcher, and immediately bolted, expecting to get mobbed. then i saw a single zombieman, and almost wondered if you had a mapping error --- you said first map, after all. so i started walking back and the revenants practically teleported on me and instakilled (well AND i blew myself up). was hilarious/glorious.

i thought traps were pretty good. i only found one secret in my main playthrough, the megasphere. last area probably pretty hard without it.

i thought most stuff was pretty clear and i was not frustrated playing the map. the times i died i found pretty funny and enjoyable.

i think it's an excellent map.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:03:09 No.6720683 Honestly wish Crispy would add Boom support. It works a lot better on my machine than PrBoom+, and I hate having to switch back and forth for compatibility.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:05:07 No.6720684 >>6715856 LOL: thanks for reminding me to go to ribbiks' website. somehow i've never played MAGNOLIA, am doing it now, it is glorious and also way prettier than i expected lol. i think ribbiks' really has a knack for creating interesting combat.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:05:12 No.6720685 >>6720683 PrBoom is a hunk of shit, but there's a fix for the mouse turning on later machines.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:05:19 No.6720686 >>6720683 I remember seeing a Chocolate Doom fork with Boom compatibility, but it's not very popular and still might be in development, I think someone may have posted it in a past thread but I fucking forgot the name.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:07:02 No.6720691 File: 473 KB, 680x486, 1570033139730.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of my Quake servers has been broken for at least a few months, but I didn't realize because I haven't even launched the game in like a year and a half.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:14:23 No.6720718 >>6720683 >>6720686 https://github.com/drfrag666/RUDE Ok I found it, it seems that it can play Boom maps if you add -boom to the launch parameters, but I haven't tested it out myself yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:22:55 No.6720742 >>6720523 My favourites were Belial's Bachelor Pad, You're a drunk loser, Tiny Fragment, 30 Days, and Forsaken Stockades. The rest range from passable to great, Arrogance and Contempt is probably the weakest right now, it's pure enemy diarrhea.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:23:03 No.6720743
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>>6720718
>>6720686
>start the source port
>infinite height is removed
>the HUD fucking shakes when you take damage
>no widescreen support
>open the .cfg file since the retard didn't include in-game options
>there's a motion blur % setting
Yeah, super fucking retro my man.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:24:34 No.6720748

>>6720000
>>6719956
Make it Q2 and use Lazarus to shove some neat effects in it.
Q3 textures works in Q2 due to modern ports using TGA, PNG and DDS output.

https://www.quakewiki.net/archives/ikq/art.htm
http://maps.rcmd.org/tutorials/q2_palette_textures/
I think Oblivion, Unseen, Juggernaut and Zaero has free assets too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AYvmp6vwh0

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:24:55 No.6720750 >>6720743 >>the HUD fucking shakes when you take damage What in the fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:26:08 No.6720753 >>6720743 Oh fuck that's a shame then, seems it's the same kind of bullshit as the. Doom Retro port.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:26:11 No.6720756 >>6720743 Are you playing with DoomRetro or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:28:14 No.6720759 >>6720756 >>6720753 >>6720750 I got the two ports mixed up. I thought anon was talking about DOOM Retro. My bad

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:28:21 No.6720760 >>6717606 fuckin finally, now lets just wait for E3 2030 release

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:28:28 No.6720761 >>6720743 Was going to reply that judging by the description it seems like ass without even trying it, but I guess you actually did the legwork and proved my suspicions correct.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:29:26 No.6720764 File: 507 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20200814_172759.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think I need to downplay the scattering flames a bit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:32:09 No.6720775 >>6720667 So you can find an excuse to humiliate someone by polishing into "HD" like Ion Shelly guns Imagine the Seethe at Doomworld or the twitter trannies. kinsie shows why he is the boss

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:32:36 No.6720778 >>6720743 >infinite height is removed FUCKING TRIGGERED

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:36:05 No.6720792

>>6720761
>>6720778
Again, I got mixed up. Thought anon was talking about DOOM Retro, which is another source port that touts Boom compatibility.

This is the proper one that's an amalgam of Crispy, Chocolate, and Boom:
https://github.com/drfrag666/RUDE/releases

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:37:17 No.6720798 >>6720792 Well the description of RUDE makes the project seem like a fucking mess anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:39:50 No.6720809 File: 1.89 MB, 550x234, howabout.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6720748

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:43:43 No.6720828
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>>6720682
You're experience with the revenants is exactly what was designed to happen, I was aiming to subvert player expectations. That kind of design is par for the course for doom levels, I suppose, but I was just wary of going overboard.
The megasphere is probably the most substantial secret for gameplay purposes, but the final one is really my favorite.
Thanks for the kind reviews as well, It seems to be compelling even more people to try the map. Hopefully I can participate in the next community project now that I have some experience.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:46:18 No.6720837

>>6720792
>>6720798
Ok, I've decided to actually test it. It looks very similar to Chocolate Doom except it adds a 6th difficulty setting which is pretty much UV but with the amount of enemies doubled. I haven't been able to get Boom maps working in it though so I have no idea what's that -boom parameter is for anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:47:22 No.6720846 File: 405 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20200814_173349.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6720764 This shit doesn't look that great on lone stills, but I think it's coming out pretty good. I don't have too much left to do on this set now.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:47:43 No.6720849

>>6720809
>Quake 1 nigger thinks he has moral when id and the old devs states that Q2 and Onwards were better projects
Friendly reminder that the "Quake 1 community" aka those resetera posters at the mapping group at discord, is the reason of why the Ip will never go onwards, and why even if id releases a inhouse remake, they will continue hating as Arenafags, and the word multiplayer makes them seethe.

they are nothing but a bunch of larpers, mostly kids who came to know the game in the early 2000's who doesn't even play the game anymore and despises even modding, with some being jaded neckbeards who yells betrayal at social media.
Or comes here to hate Doom.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:50:02 No.6720864 File: 6 KB, 448x357, 1597265564706.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6720849 Stop inventing people in your head so you have a reason to be mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:51:49 No.6720871 >>6720864 Yes beep, also shouldn't you be at /v/ helping alf with the anti HL and QC threads?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:53:04 No.6720879 File: 37 KB, 600x614, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:54:37 No.6720885 >>6720871 Take your medicine.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:54:52 No.6720889 >>6720879 Autism at dangerously concentrated levels.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:56:06 No.6720892

>>6720849
>Friendly reminder that the "Quake 1 community" aka those resetera posters at the mapping group at discord, is the reason of why the Ip will never go onwards, and why even if id releases a inhouse remake, they will continue hating as Arenafags, and the word multiplayer makes them seethe.
What the fuck kind of conjecture is this? Do you actually think that the only people who love and prefer Quake 1 over Quake 2 are Alf and his cocksucker buddies?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:01:15 No.6720916

>>6720121
I played your map(s), kind of. I don't think you want my feedback because It doesn't seem like this map was made for other people. I'm not really familiar with zdoom or scripting, but from what I can tell you expect people to do something 77 times in a row. "like phoenix cleanse thyself". Did you play test this? I skipped to the secret level, and I must say, god is very cute but he's not worth it.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:03:04 No.6720927
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>>6720548
>Stop judging the maps! All of them are equally good and you are just insulting them!
NO.

>Good boy's club
is this a troll wad or something? wtf is that music, wtf is that awful platforming section, where do you have to go? where? how? why?
>Lobachesky overdrive
a shitty intended version of trick n' traps, shitty texturing, it's just ugly and boring. i'm pretty sure this map was made in 1 hour with no love and care and the author just wants his name to appear in the screen, wait... this dude made "Barge in" too? then you can do something better than THIS. (also change the Barge in's exit button, it's ugly)
>Gatehouse
basic and boring, ew... tech/lab textures.
>Precipice HQ
The level design is not that bad but awful placed enemies and shitty lab textures.
Good music tho
>Roundabout cliffside
baby's first doom map.
>Arrogance and contempt
"haha! just put a shit ton of enemies all over the place! this is fun!!" No, it's not.

before I forget, Shipwreck cavern is bad too

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:07:34 No.6720948
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>>6720892
Im talking about those 100 or so fags and zoomer larpers in a discord group who thinks that they are the real community, loves to shit up everywhere to shun people out of it if they are interested in other Quake games or even DOOM modding, and any thing that inst "Q1 for them" is shit.

its like the early 2000's when the Retards from the brazillian doom community went on to derail and shit at everyone and even fuck over the Duke Community because duke source ports and mapping started to bloom when JDuke3d became a thing.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:08:26 No.6720951

>>6720523
2048 MAPS FUCKING POWER RANKINGS
Best map of the WAD
>Baal's Coliseum (Love hearing about newbs getting FILTERED by the Archvile pillars)
S Tier
>Forsaken Stockades
>Belial's Bachelor Pad
>30 Days In The Cooler For Talking
>Maniacal Menstruation
>Bleak Cinders
>Tyrant's Starless Realms
A Tier
>Retirement Grease
>Ghost Grotto
>Caligula's Cauldron
>The Dark Sanctuary
>Black Crest (even though I have to savescum and think the mancubus section should be nerfed a bit)
>Club BOOM
B Tier
>Barge In
>Lobachevsky Overdrive
>Suspiral
>Straight Walled Rooms
>Tiny Fragment (just fix the fucking hell knight section)
>Good Boy's Club (if he fixes some issues(see:>>6719831))
C Tier
>An Appointment With Mr. Pain
>You're A Drunk Loser And Not The Cool Kind
>The Wretched Scythe Hole
D Tier
>Shipwreck Cavern
>Gatehouse
>Sewers
>Trifecta
>Arrogance and Contempt
F Tier
>Minimalism
>Precipice HQ
>Roundabout Cliffside
(Note to SandSculker: Don't take it as a dig, I'll bet nobody, not even Romero or Sandy, made a good first map. You learn a lot from making your first few maps, you'll get better. Even your newest edit showed an improvement and much more nuanced understanding of enemy placement/verticality/etc. I love you and I'm glad to have you on board)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:09:27 No.6720956 File: 486 KB, 1344x756, locked.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6720837 rude-doom.exe -boom -iwad doom2.wad -merge 2048unitsvr.wad It runs the map, but still doesn't recognize Boom's linedef tags.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:10:41 No.6720961

>>6720916
Thanks for actually at least acknowledging my post.
>It doesn't seem like this map was made for other people
Maybe.
>but from what I can tell you expect people to do something 77 times in a row
Well yes, but that's for the secret exit, so I take you haven't found the "normal" one. The phoenix line actually referred to the regular exit. "regular".
>Did you play test this?
Yes, I actually did and that's when I added the chainsaw, because it made the grinding easier and lets you conserve ammo.
> god is very cute but he's not worth it.
Aw shame. Was it that bad? Or do you mean with regard to the prerequisite? I tried designing a "modern" bossfight. And because I suck at Doom, I managed to kill him with my last sliver of health, I reckoned other people wouldn't have as much problems.

But apart from the playability, now that you've seen it, do you have any comments on the issues presented? I might reuse some of the ideas for "proper" maps, so I'd appreciate feedback on how those things were perceived/experienced.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:13:19 No.6720970

>>6720948
>Loadouts were added to FFA [and only FFA, nothing else]
>to get even simple features like having a friends list
>You needed a premium sub to duel.
Why would someone resort to lying to prove a point? Especially when the point isn't even wrong, adding loadouts didn't kill the game, and with the possible exception of like, Brazil, the pay wall didn't either.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:18:52 No.6720992

>>6720948
>its like the early 2000's when the Retards from the brazillian doom community went on to derail and shit at everyone and even fuck over the Duke Community because duke source ports and mapping started to bloom when JDuke3d became a thing.
Ah yes, didn't that happen right after the degenerates from the Mongolian Dark Forces community invaded the System Shock threads at vogons? We're talking purely events that definitely happened for real here!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:21:25 No.6721006 >>6718939 might happen if you run it in windowed since some inept coders lock mouse to exterior of the window and not interior, so whenever your mouse goes yo the border the game stops reading it. Happened with some unity games recently too.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:23:10 No.6721018 >>6718479 >>6718537 >>6718540 to be fair those levels look like generic no-effort unity shit thrown together in 1 week or less (I know it's in UE)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:24:29 No.6721020 >>6721018 >Wolf3D >unity Holy shit go back

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:26:00 No.6721028 >>6721020 what did he mean by this

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:27:50 No.6721037 >>6721020 He's talking about Hellbound. Sharpen up those reading comprehension skills.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:28:48 No.6721040 >>6718447 The kickstarter was in mid-2018 as far as I can tell, not 2016. Which I mean, that's still pathetic, but where is the source for 2016?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:30:04 No.6721047

>>6720951
Sandy's first map for Doom (and any first person shooter period) was E2M6, it was the map which actually landed him his job. It probably was a bit different from the final version, and he probably polished it a decent bit over time, but if anything that means it's possible to improve and salvage a map, as long as there's decent fundamentals. Well, most of the time, probably. Mind Romero also had been making maps for games ever since he was a kid, and had some prior experience with FPS because of Wolfenstein 3D.

Bleak Cinders and Dark Below got pretty royally fucking savaged when I uploaded the first public drafts of those, and Forsaken Stockades was no gem at first either, because they really were all playing like dogshit in PrBoom+ (I had only been playtesting in GzDoom). I think the only reason Vehement Onslaught wasn't shat on as hard as the others was because the arena fight left you mostly on a lateral level with all the monsters, not being carelessly balanced around mouselook (and even then, it really was too hard for a while, more often than not I would die to that encounter myself).
I learned some important lessons in altering those maps and improving them. I'm glad people are liking them a lot now, but I'm saying that took a lot more than a first draft, and I was feeling really discouraged before the criticism got a chance to sink in. Tyrant's Starless Realm was made after those with all that hindsight, and still needed a bunch of fine tuning (like the jank-ass VooDoo script which barely worked at first), and took a needless amount of time.

A tip I'd suggest is to test in PrBoom+ if you aren't already, and then to build enemy encounters which you figure would be hard for you, hard, but not so hard that you yourself cannot beat them. Be a dick to the player, but make sure that there's enough resources for him to use, then listen to what people are saying about the difficulty, if it's too much, etc, and adjust accordingly.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:31:16 No.6721051

>>6720970
Dude im Alpha QL player, from the days when carmack himself went on to summon us useful idiots to test it when it was out, we knew what was going to be during the browser days.
no one cared about it, those who seethed over were Larpers who didnt'y even played the previous games in mp, said larpers were brainwashed by the hacking autists at ESR forums like Asuka and his/her gang.
those were the ones who hated that QL wasn't Q3CPMA and other shit. it was pure Q3, and it was fun, though QL Ai is more forgiving than Q3A.

Nowadays they seethe over QC and went on to defend QL because >pic and mostly because they don't even play Quake anymore, all of them moved to Fartnite and OW.

>>6720992
if only BRDOOM didn't deleted the archives when that shit died.
logan MTM hated duke
Juliano Du0 was the one always threatening to ban people who talked something else that wasn't their garbage projects even in the other games board, their hate was focused at Duke due to one guy there called hellfire, later on all of the community went on to jump against the duke community due to people there talking more about it and not fellating shit like Daniel's garbage mods and so on.
One of the idiots there was a Simp over a girl who didn't even played DOOM, but RE games, she never talked about doom.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:33:30 No.6721057 >>6721020 At this point you need to drink piss. I don't care where it comes from, just go drink piss.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:35:11 No.6721061

Ok, so I'm pretty much a brainlet, but are there any tutorials on the Boom map format? I am used to UDMF and there are so many things I want to do but can't and I don't know whether it is because I'm too dumb to find them or because they don't exist. Like teleporting a monster into a room, who would I do that if it has to walk over a line? I mean, how can I make it walk the line when I want and so on, provided I understood that correctly and there isn't a better way of doing stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:40:11 No.6721075 is there any way to recover the old Planet Quake Archives? http://planetquake.gamespy.com/Viewed53.html?view=MOTW.Detail&id=34

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:41:52 No.6721084

>>6720961
If the map wasn't certainly made for others, then I don't think you need to release it. I think you should almost never have to fight one enemy at a time, and I don't think you should have to grind in doom. If you want to make a map people will play, you should make it fun, not bleak. I did find the normal exit, but it just wasn't fun. Just think of the player first, I can't give you any advice better than that. I'm sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:43:45 No.6721087 File: 2 KB, 85x31, qwf.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6721075 depends. just do the legwork on archive.org. lots of files were lost with fileplanet going down though.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:44:15 No.6721091 >>6721075 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jimw/q2/Quake2_Mods/ios1.zip

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:50:44 No.6721116 Why so much hate on Gatehouse? it's a decent map.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:52:29 No.6721125 Where can I go to learn more about how to make good doom maps?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:55:12 No.6721135 >>6721116 It didn't use the gothic textures.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:55:20 No.6721136

>>6721125
Evolution Of The Wad gives you *some* ideas. It's long as fuck though. A big thing to learn is what role each enemy fills, and how you can use that against the player, at the same time, how can the player equip himself and move to defeat the threat they pose.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:56:05 No.6721139 >>6721061 Not an expert either on boom but I know you can merge the sector when the monster sits with a sector where the player starts fighting so the monster hears the noise and walks into the line

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 12:59:18 No.6721150
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Don't suppose a kind soul can provide a fix for Brutal Doom's HUD being partially cutoff on 1366x768 displays? There's a post on you know where regarding this specific issue but all it offers is a dead Dropbox link. I'm just using the wad for the hud, nothing else on 32 bit GZ.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:00:06 No.6721154

>>6721084
Sure, I understand it, but if I keep mapping in a vacuum I won't progress, hence I release this stuff, even if it sucks. And I probably worded it wrongly, with "bleak" I meant the atmosphere - of course hell in and by itself isn't "fun" at all, still you can have fun levels set there. I hope it's now clearer. But as for the concrete stuff I asked, you have no opinion on that? Like the boss fight, was it too boring, too hard, how did you like the changing battleground during the different phases?
For some reason I absolutely suck at Doom mapping, but I got positive feedback for maps I did for HUH (one of which was a 3d remake of one of my first Doom maps). So let's ignore the spawner-grinder-arena part (which is obviously the main reason you didn't like it), what about the look and feel? Was it already boring to look at and if yes, what could I add? So let's say I put that stuff in a properly laid out level, would you still not like it or was it really just the level's gameplay?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:02:41 No.6721165

>>6721150
That would requiring diving into Mark's spaghetti code to learn what he's actually done and then figuring out how to fix it, which isn't something I'm equipped or ready to do.

Someone is doing a code overhaul of BD, brave soul of a man, which perhaps may make the code easier to maintain.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:19:13 No.6721229 >>6720683 Crispy + Boom would be my main sourceport honestly

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:24:15 No.6721250 File: 461 KB, 1564x1080, mvc68pct7nk41.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Suggestions for 2048: >transparent spider webs textures >change the punch sfx >change the orange sky to gray

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:27:42 No.6721262 [DELETED]

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>>6721040
Article in Argentinian nedia:

>"We started working on Hellbound in 2016 using the Unreal Engine 4 engine and in 2018 we published Survival mode, we created a Kickstarter campaign and we met the people of Nimble Giant, and then in 2020 we published the Campaign mode"

Ñ link:

https://www.infobae.com/gaming/2020/08/07/el-videojuego-argentino-que-rinde-homenaje-a-doom-y-otros-shooters-noventosos/

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:27:47 No.6721263
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>>6721165
>Someone is doing a code overhaul of BD

So let me get this straight

Mark is being paid actual money to develop this thing/ And then someone on the internet is going to unfuck their thing. For free. With no guarantee that Mark will endorse the project or use it as a base for future BD versions. So the guy would have to keep unfucking things.

Why??????

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:32:13 No.6721282
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>>6721040
"We started working on Hellbound in 2016 using the Unreal Engine 4 engine and in 2018 we published Survival mode, we created a Kickstarter campaign and we met the people of Nimble Giant, and then in 2020 we published the Campaign mode"

Article in Argentinian media.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:34:22 No.6721291

>>6721263
honestly this "overhaul" sounds exactly like something that's gonna be abandoned 30% in. forever.
people going on about mark's spaghetti being impossible to figure out are usually talking out their ass. I managed to do it with no prior doom modding experience in less than a week. it ain't pretty, but it's nothing special either.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:35:25 No.6721295 >>6721291 >I managed to do it so what did you do with it, or what did you release

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:35:51 No.6721296 >>6721291 (that said, the custom UI was one of the first things I immediately nuked, so I can't offer expertise there)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:36:58 No.6721301 >>6717503 Those jumping Cacos look cute. Can somebody make a Caco that has arms and uses them to push itself off the ground to leap like a frog?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:37:12 No.6721305

>>6721047
I liked your maps from the beginning, friend. I was actually butthurt that you dumbassed us out of two good maps.
>>6721116
Prison escape and raising the first bridge was pretty cool.The rest is really bland and poorly utilizes the space.
>>6721250
Terrible suggestions
>>6721061
You can merge sectors (Shift+J I think?) or you can make a teeny tiny crevice that connects the monster room to a room that you KNOW the player has to fire a shot in. If you have 2048 downloaded, open up MAP26 Welcome To The Peanut Gallery. I made a pretty clean monster alert system, you can see it in pic related. The sector that connects the rooms is very small, about 8x8 stuffed away in the corner, you can't even see it. Of course, it's not a terrible thing if you do see it, I can think of instances in DOOM II where you see large openings that serve this purpose.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:37:34 No.6721307 >>6721295 I was just tweaking it for myself, posted it here once or twice when somebody asked. mostly unfucking balance a bit and unbloating the UI/menus and replacing the decals.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:37:42 No.6721308 >>6721250 >transparent spider web textures No anon noo, I'd have to go back and put it in every corner of my maps since I love those.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:38:15 No.6721313 File: 322 KB, 931x587, 2048peanut.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6721305 forgot pic like a retard

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:39:19 No.6721315 >>6721139 >>6721305 Thanks m80s, the sector thing did the trick.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:40:41 No.6721319 >>6721307 >changed some numbers >thinks he knows about how bad the code is to work with It's like a grade schooler telling newton that calculus isn't complicated because he knows long division.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:45:10 No.6721335 File: 484 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20200814_194324.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6721305 >I was actually butthurt that you dumbassed us out of two good maps They're still in the extra .wad, aren't they?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 13:58:06 No.6721371
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>>6721319
I mean, it's a mod. you can describe most things as spawning actors and changing numbers, it's not like there's some intricate logic at play.
fwiw, here's the changelog for my tweaks: https://pastebin.com/HPUvzvQC
and the mod itself: http://www.mediafire.com/file/bta94hatwozlsnd/file

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:06:42 No.6721397
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>>6720446
I played it. I have a lot of criticisms.
I like the idea, but the map lacks a clear sense of progression. The whole thing feel more aimless than perhaps it's supposed to. At times it seemed more like a Slayer-themed testing arena for spawning monsters than a real level.
Ammo felt too scarce especially at the start. I actually switched the difficulty right down to I'm Too Young just because I couldn't be bothered to grind hellknights to fight the first cyberdemon. If anything the chainsaw should be given earlier just to give the player an easier way of getting ammo from chaingunners.
It troubles me that the "Annihilation" option is clickable before it does anything. It was the first one I picked, so I took it for buggy, unfinished coding and considered quitting the map right there.
The "Like phoneix cleanse thyself" hint also seems too vague. If you hadn't mentioned a "regular exit", I would have guessed that this map didn't have one at all. Maybe if the text was displayed right next to a lava pool the connection would be clearer.
And the secret exit seems ridiculously obscure. I can't see many players finding it by chance.
The God fight was okay. I think maybe he could do with a few buddies to put some extra pressure on the player. He's very quiet and doesn't give very good feedback when injured which makes the fight feel a bit tepid even despite the music.

Finally, the sky was fucked up in GZdoom software mode.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:07:47 No.6721403
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>>6721091
>>6721087
someone needs to reupload and cut and paste all of those stuff from planet quake into a new website, theres many Quake 2 and 3 stuff there.
i think games banana still has most of the old fileplanet archives

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:13:19 No.6721417
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>>6720951
Not offended, but that wasn't my first map; it's just plain old shit. I just didn't know initially what I could do in with the limited map space, so I tried to do a couple small arenas that loop around vaguely similar to Scythe's map01.
At least I learnt how to do lighting properly (and it's still my most hated part of Doom mapping).

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:23:06 No.6721451 >>6721403 >someone the mythical Someone is generally the person who cares enough about a thing to act on it

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:23:07 No.6721452 >>6720024 Citadel is UE4 though

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:27:41 No.6721468
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>>6721451
in this case, we need a /vr/ Library for all of this stuff
now that there is a working ROTT port and force engine
it may be time for something like /tesg/ did with tesgeneral.

a website full of Retro FPS stuff, with maps links and so on.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:33:51 No.6721485

>>6721397
Thanks for the feedback. First of all lmao that picture, I have no idea how that can happen. I only ever play and test in hardware mode, so I have no experience with software mode and sky is still a brain-teaser for me, so sorry about that. As for ammo, you get 180 cells and 7 rockets for each Cyberdemon, which should usually be enough, provided you aim properly, so you *shouldn't* have to grind Hell Knights. At least that's the minimum amount of ammo I found working for myself, so I set it that way. But good for mentioning it, I might add more. That's also why I didn't make the chainsaw available until after the first Cyberdemon, because I didn't consider it necessary to grind for that one, and afterwards the level is technically finished, so everything beyond is just "let's kill some monsters until I get tired of slaughtering and maybe notice the new exit".
And I really didn't consider the Annihilation option that way. Maybe I'm too much in an adventure mindset, but if an option doesn't work I assume I haven't yet met all requirements. The thing is I am only just getting into how dialogue works and I don't know yet how to make a dialogue option only appear afterwards without making a whole new dialogue thingy. Maybe I could print a message "nothing yet" or something like that. As for the phoenix hint, I also assumed that people would look for fire, so naturally, when the first Cyberdemon is done, you'd finally have fire. But that's also noted.
As for the secret exit, I assumed somebody might have fun slaughtering many foes, among which were also many cyberdemons, so eventually they would notice how the sky has changed.
As for the boss fight, I had actually considered spawning angels or something like that, but as mentioned above, I already had problems in that form because with the second phase you really don't want to get hit, as it can already catapult you out of the platform and the third phase moves really fast and the attack becomes instakill.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:40:53 No.6721510 File: 7 KB, 544x416, yourhonor.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6721468 I meant you, m8. "we need X", "someone should do Y", "make your maps for Z instead". come on now.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:50:31 No.6721543

>>6721452
That makes me think, couldn't the guy who made it use any other engine like Unity, or even GZDoom or something? Then again for the latter there's prolly a bunch of limitations that would make certain aspects of Citadel impossible to implement, and idk what the rules for licensing GZDoom for commercial products is, or if you can't at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:52:25 No.6721548 It's a shame that renderer of PrBoom is so old that it makes impossible to achieve smooth performance with it, leaves not many choices

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 14:54:15 No.6721551 >>6721510 idk how to HTML :(

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:03:23 No.6721583 >>6721543 GZDoom is GPL. You can use it for free if you include the license and whatever code you used, or a link to said code.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:16:24 No.6721634 File: 21 KB, 271x377, quake-2-cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6716536 Got this from the Bethesda store for free What am I in for?

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>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:19:12 No.6721645 >>6721634 Quake 1 at home

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:19:31 No.6721646
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>>6721634
First hour is a bit slow, but it does pick up. Mind that you can actually strafe left to right to avoid enemy hitscan attacks (ducking helps too).
Overall, though I don't think it's as good as the first game, I still think it's a pretty good shooter in its own right. Make sure you get the Sonic Mayhem soundtrack playing.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:20:54 No.6721651 >>6721634 you're in for a soundtrack-less experience

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:24:45 No.6721665

>>6718280
Nobody in 1993 was listening to fucking Atheist or Mayhem you retard. Normie metal in 93 was basically either thrash or heavier grunge, and that tracks with the albums we know Prince sampled.
>South of Heaven
>Speak English or Die
>Vulgar Display of Power
>Dirt
>Face Lift
>Rust in Peace
>the Last Action Hero soundtrack
Alice in Chains, Slayer, Megadeth, and Pantera had regular play on Headbangers' Ball at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:25:09 No.6721668 >>6721634 Download the one on the Op link or Buy the GoG version The bethesda launcher one has no cutscenes, Mission packs, Music and is the old 3.20 exe with the fucked blurry filtering

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:29:03 No.6721683 >>6721665 Correct, the Wikia article is speculative as fuck for a lot of these. I'm pretty sure E3M2 is sampled from Body Count's In The House though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvaILIaqHqo

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:30:26 No.6721686 >>6721646 the mod that anon posted above made the Ai more vicious on hard which is harder than nightmare

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:33:28 No.6721698 >>6721668 I'm using yamagi Quake and i've downloaded Mission packs and osts as for the fmvs the intro screen works...

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 15:47:10 No.6721747 >>6721551 Html is easy. But you'd probably want something a little more modern. This post was brought to you by square space.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 16:42:11 No.6721870
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Quake 2 kind of sucks /vr/. I've run through about 4-5 maps and a secret level and every enemy has too much health and very little reaction when be shot. Plus out of every FPS game I've ever played, these shotguns seem to have the slowest fire rates of all of them. Does it get better?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 16:52:48 No.6721912 >>6721870 Alf, we know its you. And its the same repeated shitpost you did for Q1

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:05:28 No.6721971 >>6721912 Who?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:10:41 No.6721984 >>6721870 No. Just play Arcane Dimensions.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:13:37 No.6721998 >>6721870 In my opinion, it does get better. It's up to you if you want to keep pushing, or if you feel it's not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:15:31 No.6722004 >>6721984 >Arcane Dimensions I already did, and 1.5. All I have left in my FPS backlog is Powerslave, Ion Fury, Duke it out in DC, and Plutonia. >>6721998 I'll play until I get a few more weapons and see how I feel then.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:18:22 No.6722014 >>6722004 The chaingun is pretty fun so at least stick around until you get that. Also make sure to bunnyhop like a motherfucker, it's the only way I could stop myself from falling asleep while playing Quack Deux.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:19:44 No.6722020 >alf is back >gang is with him Happy weekend /doom/

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:23:12 No.6722029 >>6722014 I know I'm autistic, but please, Quake 2 is strafe jumping not bunny hopping.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:30:42 No.6722053 >>6722029 Sorry sir. Guess I didn't think strafe jumping because the air control is so minimal.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:33:28 No.6722059 >>6721971 Alf

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:35:13 No.6722064 >>6722053 I think you have bunny hopping and strafe jumping reversed in your head.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:37:51 No.6722071 >>6722014 I just got the chaingun and it does seem pretty decent... then it crashed on me and messed up my monitor's brightness settings, wtf.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:42:23 No.6722083 Is there a way to make a sprite shake? Like say I want to make a freezing Imp who just jitters from time to time, is there a way to set a random "shake" effect in Decorate or would I have to do it all with additional sprites?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:50:48 No.6722104
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>>6722083
You can use rapid A_warp calls where the values randomize between low values so the imp basically rapidly warps in its own spot giving the illusion of shivering, you can also do a_spawnitemex with pseudo imp to spawn for like 1 - 2 ticks with bit of position shifting aswell but really all depends on how you're planning to go with it and what other functions you plan on using with em

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 17:56:46 No.6722120 >>6721912 Come on, not everyone who dislikes a game is Alf.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:00:03 No.6722132 Are there any Doom mods that do escort missions or "companions" well? Something like RE4, Ico, Yoshi's Island even? I mean like a TC that mainly focuses on protecting a character or even using them for puzzles Sometimes they help you instead

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:00:19 No.6722136 >>6722104 This picture makes me very uncomfortable on a deep level that I can't describe. It's as if an itchy ballsack was extended to the size of a human head.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:01:29 No.6722141 >>6722132 A Boy and his Barrel

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:03:07 No.6722148 >>6722104 Thanks, that gives me a basic approach at least.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:07:12 No.6722161 >>6722132 Why would you want that? It's 2020 and companions/escorts are still absolute shit, how do you think they behave in a game with 25 year old pathfinding technique?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:16:38 No.6722210

>>6722120
We reached to a point where all Anti HL and Quake threads and posts in /vr/ are mostly his and his autistic friends, not only here but also on /v/.
While the Anti Q2,Q3A,Q4 ETQW, QL and QC and the franchise sequels + the Anti doom shitposting comes from a few autists in the "Real quake 1 community"

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:18:36 No.6722219 File: 145 KB, 1024x1024, 1591346732878.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any mods similar to Ashes 2063 in gameplay?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:23:25 No.6722236 >>6722210 These people should unironically be killed.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 18:54:31 No.6722361 >>6722219 Jesus, that helicopter is diving in low as FUCK, they must REALLY want to kill that guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:03:14 No.6722391 >Reelism 2 has Ape Escape music

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:10:09 No.6722405

>>6722210
To be fair QC is actually shit. Ignoring the gameplay entirely it's a buggy, poorly optimized mess, ie. exactly what you'd expect when you outsource your programming of an fps to russians whose resume is mostly mobile shovelware despite having probably one of the most competent programming teams in the industry internally.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:14:25 No.6722425

>>6722405
>exactly what you'd expect when you outsource your programming of an fps to russians whose resume is mostly mobile shovelware despite having probably one of the most competent programming teams in the industry internally.
Meaning they can't have given much of a fuck about Quake Champions. It's a shame that it is what it is.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:18:51 No.6722451 What's the point of using an OpenGL renderer?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:18:52 No.6722452 >>6720948 But they ARE the Q1 community? They put out map packs every few weeks basically

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:20:18 No.6722458 >>6722451 In Doom? Using shitty mods, or being retarded, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:21:43 No.6722463 >>6722425 Was Quake even popular in Russia when it came out? I know Blood at least has a Russian cult fandom for it long before it became relevant again.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:22:46 No.6722467 >>6722458 Doom without the pixelated aesthetic looks like garbage and it messes with the lighting and contrast of the classic maps. I don't play amateur maps so I don't know how popular opengl is with map makers

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:23:07 No.6722468 >>6717503 This BR monkey is destroying this community how do we stop him?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:24:30 No.6722475 >>6722463 I'm not sure exactly when Quake got big in Russia, it might not have been immediate, but Russians have been a pretty big part of the multiplayer community on Quake for a very long time.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:25:46 No.6722481 >>6720391 >Monster room #1 >Monster room #2 >Monster room #3 >All rooms open up to reveal GIANT double monster room #4 &#5 That's when I skipped. You think this is fun?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:26:24 No.6722484 >>6722475 How many Russians do you realistically think had a gayming computer in 1996?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:26:48 No.6722486 >>6722451 It looks 100x better? And no shitty draw distance lighting and better performance?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:27:33 No.6722490 >>6722486 Literally wrong on all accounts. Are you trying to wind me up?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:28:02 No.6722495 >>6722484 Probably none now that I think about. The Dendy was likely still popular at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:28:07 No.6722496 >>6722481 git gud faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:28:37 No.6722501 >>6722475 Russians LOVES Quake 2, hence why most of the mods comes from there, and why they still have an active community with the Cafe forums and so on. Q3A is when things got insane from DAY 1 when the demo had multiplayer in it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:30:03 No.6722510 >>6722484 It was definitely already a pretty huge community by the time Q3 released, so sometime between 96 and 99 there was enough Russian gaming PCs. And let us not forget net cafes.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:35:59 No.6722526
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>>6716554
Daily reminder that Doom 2 is literally as bullet-spongy as Quake -- the amount of time it takes to kill the weakest Doom 2 enemy (Revenant) with two SSG shots is the same amount of time it takes to kill an Ogre in Quake.

Also use rockets faggot, they do double the damage of the double-barrel, where as in Doom 2 they do the same damage as the SSG.

>Quake is colorless/brown meme
Fuck off zoomer.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:38:36 No.6722538 >>6722526 It's pretty dour.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:41:40 No.6722541
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>>6722451
I like the perspective not distorting for freelook, as well as the truecolor thing. Also dynamic lights, along with brightmaps, and a very slight bloom (as in only visible against very bright features), I think can look very nice.
I really like how the spritework and textures look in Doom, and with truecolor rendering you don't get the colors bleeding away in the dark like it does in software mode, making the graphics look flatter than they actually are unless really up close.

Some mods are also fun.

>>6722467
GzDoom has a smudge filter on by default, which looks like garbage, but you can turn it off and have crisp and clean pixels. For lighting, I believe you should be able to play around with the light settings to get something that's a bit closer to how Doom originally does darkness, as opposed to GzDoom's standard setting.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:46:36 No.6722559 >>6722538 No shit, it's going for a dirty medieval gothic horror aesthetic, should it be bright and colorful like Super Mario 64? The colors are largely matted/pale, but they're there.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:47:27 No.6722561 >>6722541 >smudge filter is that the texture filter? should i set it to none?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:48:29 No.6722567 >>6722561 Set it to none (trilinear) and set anisotropic filtering to 16x.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:50:06 No.6722571
File: 2.92 MB, 1280x720, putting on doomguy's glasses.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>6722561
Set to either none, or for anisotropic filtering (may reduce some distortion at a distance, at the expense of some performance), depending on what you think looks best. I really dislike biliniear/trilinear filtering for games like these, they should be off by default.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:51:03 No.6722573 >>6722567 >>6722571 I want it to look like pixelshit so I'm turning off both

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:53:36 No.6722584 >>6722573 Anon, that's not pixelshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:56:24 No.6722593 >>6722573 Adding mipmaps doesn't really reduce the pixelshit aesthetic, just makes textures look less noisy when they're at an angle. It looks good in really detailed maps.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:58:14 No.6722605 Can OpenGL ive you that sweet ass dithering?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:59:26 No.6722609

>>6722571
This webm needs to be updated, GZDoom's menus don't look like this anymore

>Fix blurryshit: Options -> Display Options -> Texture Options -> Texture filter mode set to "None (linear mipmap)"
>Fix lighting: Options -> Display Options -> Hardware Renderer -> Sector lightmode set to "Vanilla"
>Fix sprites: Options -> DIsplay Options -> Hardware Renderer -> Sprite Billboard set to X/Y axis

Only after doing these things is a person ready to play their copy of GZDoom they just downloaded.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 19:59:58 No.6722614 >>6722526 This. Literally the game shoves you to use rockets since ogres drop 2 rockets on death. If you stick to SSG in quake and then complain about bullet sponges you are fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:00:31 No.6722616 >>6722593 If anything, turning off mipmaps makes stuff look worse and hinders performance. No reason to keep them off.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:00:33 No.6722617 Anyone know why my Chocolate Doom sound effects would cut halfway through their playtimes? Every sound cuts short but the music plays fine. I've looked around and found no solution. I got windows 10 64bits and a high end PC.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:00:41 No.6722619
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>>6722573
Fair enough. You might wanna give Brightmaps a try, what they do is that they render only certain parts of some sprites/textures/flats brighter in the darkness, so you get glowing eyes on Pinkies in the dark (glowing eyes and mouth on Cacos), and light fixtures and little diodes on computers standing out in the darkness too. A bit like Duke Nukem 3D.

I think it looks pretty cool.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:03:17 No.6722628

>>6722605
Uh, I figure maybe some sort of special Shader might be able to give you a dithering effect, though I don't know of any that do that off hand (there does exist a Shader which emulates the polygon wobble you'd see on old Playstation 3D games, just as an example of the kind of odd shit you can do with GzDoom Shaders).

Otherwise, the only dithering you'll see in the game is whatever dithering was done on the graphic assets themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:04:04 No.6722635 >>6722501 >Russians LOVES Quake 2 Russians picks and then LOVES some specific games with no explanation. TomeNET, HOMM 3.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:04:29 No.6722636 >>6722614 The Rocket Launcher is SO fun to use in Quake as well, so it'd just be really weird to not be going around thumping ogres with it when the game is so generous with its ammunition even on hard mode.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:05:11 No.6722639 >>6722526 >Daily reminder that Doom 2 is literally as bullet-spongy as Quake At least for Doom you can fix that quickly in Slade. Quake doesn't give you that option.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:06:26 No.6722645

>>6722635
>HoMM3
>no explanation

1; it's a good game that's fun to play
2; it's a turn based game, allowing for local multiplayer on one machine in an era where not all Russians had a very good internet connection
3; it has low system specs, so even if you've got a poorfag machine you can run it just fine

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:22:26 No.6722680
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What is your go-to Doom version? Chocolate, DOS? GZ? What wads?

Personally I usually go for GZ, smoothdoom with perk sound effects but I've played a bit of Crispy lately. Chocolate gives me the old feel but I don't see myself spending too much time with it

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:32:47 No.6722702 File: 275 KB, 1014x1352, map.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sketching out a test map for engine 2.0

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:35:08 No.6722709 >>6722526 >weakest Doom 2 enemy Doom 2 doesnt consist entirely of 2's additions.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:36:45 No.6722717 >>6722680 Jeezy Doom. Chocolate is a psychedelic 1993 simulator but that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:42:57 No.6722737 Is there a way to play Sigil on Crispy Doom?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:43:31 No.6722740 >>6722451 I use GLBoom exclusively for the higher FOV, since I wasn't able to change it for the other renderers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:52:24 No.6722760 >not using linear filtering aa smoothing It's how the best looking doom (64) looks and was intended to look. Real life isn't squares. It's realer looking. >Muh autism jaggies!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:52:56 No.6722761 Heretic soundtrack is so goddamn good.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 20:54:12 No.6722765

>>6722680
GLBoom+, specifically the UMAPINFO fork with fixed mouse turning and set up to use a SC-55 soundfont. I often load vanilla smooth weapons alongside whatever mapset I want to play at the moment. Only issue that caused so far is with D2TWID, where some enemies in the secret level would crash the game with vanilla smooth weapons loaded.

If I could find a way to fix the blood colours on cacos, hell knights and barons, it would be perfect.

>>6722737
Have you tried running SIGIL_COMPAT.wad?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 21:08:37 No.6722797 >>6722680 CRISPY DOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 21:47:05 No.6722904

>>6720927
Reminder that the pre-edit version of Arrogance and Contempt exist. Many claim that it's better that way, so I suggest the 2048 lead to use this one instead.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/c56bg8weal1e0qi/EnragedEggplant_-_Arrogance_and_Contempt.wad/file

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 21:47:10 No.6722905 >>6722481 >there's monsters in a room so it's bad What fourth dimensional WADs are you playing that can't be described as monsters in a room?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:00:11 No.6722943 File: 580 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20200815_035042.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck, I forgot the GLDEFS.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:01:12 No.6722948 >>6722905 rootpain

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:10:30 No.6722967 File: 2.95 MB, 1050x590, Dumb portal test map.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6722905 >fourth dimensional WADs Why oh why are these things so uncommon? I really wish there were more wads with trippy navigation.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:12:41 No.6722976 >>6722967 They might be hard to set up without looking retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:15:02 No.6722985 File: 605 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20200815_041212.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And the Decaldefs now. I guess I only have the SSG left.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:23:36 No.6723006 >>6722967 I like the silent teleport lines in GZ but there seems to be a micro "skip" when crossing. Something about the POV alignment idk

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:25:37 No.6723015 >>6722976 Better yet, it's hard to set them up without playing retarded. See: A Baron's Nightmare from Spooktober.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:26:38 No.6723021 >>6722967 There was a wad that used this kind of shit a lot. Can't remember its name for the life of me, but I remember it took place on a floating island and had a portal/door in between two upscaled eye textures.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:26:41 No.6723023 >>6723006 If you use static portals you don't get that, but you have to make sure the linedefs are the same length and oriented roughly the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:27:29 No.6723024 >>6722985 Nice! Can't wait to test these for myself, they're looking great so far.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:27:43 No.6723026 What mods have RC Cars in them?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:37:33 No.6723051 >>6723021 Ah, I found it. It's called the Quirky Domain. >>6722967 check it out if you want some weird shit like in the webm you posted. https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100935-the-quirky-domain-a-gzdoom-map-for-doom-2/

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:37:55 No.6723053 >>6723026 Theres a recreation of Shadow Warrior and in the first level you have to remote drive a little car with a key on top so you can reach it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:41:35 No.6723065 File: 246 KB, 541x541, 4444.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6722639 is that supposed to be an argument?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:44:42 No.6723075 >>6723051 Neato, I'll take a look

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 22:58:40 No.6723115 >>6722737 >copy the DOOM.wad and SIGIL_v1_21.wad into the folder with the Crispy DOOM executable >make a new text file >paste the following into the document and save as a .bat file: crispy-doom.exe -iwad doom.wad -file SIGIL_v1_21.wad -warp 5 1

Anonymous Fri, Aug 14, 2020 23:24:45 No.6723193

>>6722737
Did you even try before posting? Crispy Doom autodetects Sigil if you have Crispy/Doom.wad/Sigil all in the same folder, though I keep IWADs/source ports/WADs in separate folders for organization and launch it using command lines or Doom Launcher
>>6723115
You don't need to type .exe when launching an executable, and a noobie shouldn't use the -warp parameter because he will miss the sweet intro music and TITLEPIC

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:03:34 No.6723339
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>>6720683
>>6721229
Reminder that Woof! source port is a thing.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112333-this-is-woof-202-jul-20-2020-updated-winmbf/

TL;DR
Fabian, maker of Crispy Doom, made a modern fork of the MBF source port called Woof! It lacks the cool options that Crispy Doom has, like widescreen/brightmaps/colored HUD/mirrored corpses/vertical recoil pitch/etc., but it's 640x400 like Crispy Doom and can run Boom and MBF maps like Valiant/Eviternity, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:12:19 No.6723358 Is the sound still fucked on Crispy Doom?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:13:48 No.6723361 >>6723358 Was the sound ever fucked on Crispy Doom?

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:14:07 No.6723363

>>6723339
Always wished for a Boom/MBF equivalent of Crispy Doom. prboom+ is full of issues. Hopefully it gets to the point where Crispy is already at soon enough.

>>6723358
When was it ever fucked? Always sounded fine for me and I've grabbed each release since the start of this year

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:15:31 No.6723365 >>6723339 IIRC, Woof is trying to be somewhat accurate to the original MBF, so certain complevel 9 and 11 megawads that rely on PrBoom+ features/changes might be buggy in some areas.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:18:22 No.6723372 >>6723361 >>6723363 For a good few versions now there’s been no music and really high pitched/sped up sound effects. All other source ports work fine.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:18:22 No.6723373

>>6723365
Yes, this is correct. In the words of Fabian:
> Nowadays, "boom compatible" means PrBoom+ with '-complevel 9'. Nobody bothers to check maps with the original ports anymore.
I'm reading the thread now to find specific examples and test it out for myself

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:19:27 No.6723376 >>6720951 >I made it to C tier Probably should've spent more than 3 hours on my map though, but I was sick that week.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:19:36 No.6723378 File: 30 KB, 200x193, 1569036238873.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6723372

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:19:38 No.6723379 >>6723372 >really high pitched/sped up sound effects Disable Windows Sonic

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 00:24:45 No.6723395 >>6723372 >>6723379 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/coreaudio/spatial-sound

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:01:03 No.6723485 File: 303 KB, 800x600, DOOM0006.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Won't be here for Screenshot Saturday, but I started trying to make a city map, a valiant attempt that's going to be twarted by my attention span, probably.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:01:52 No.6723491 Half Life ruined fps and Steam is pure cancer.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:03:18 No.6723494 >>6723485 Doesnt look bad but it doesnt look like anything close to a city in this screenshot.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:03:50 No.6723495 File: 8 KB, 184x184, 1589415471824.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6723491 Wow, where have we heard that before?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:06:36 No.6723502 >>6723494 I am inside the building and looking through the grate on the unfinished building across the street, the most of the outside area is not drawn yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:11:28 No.6723516 File: 871 KB, 1367x1464, wtf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's going on with my map? It's BOOM format. Everything works as intended in PrBoom+ but in GZDoom everything's all fuckered up? How do I fix this?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:11:59 No.6723519 >>6723495 Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:13:05 No.6723521 >>6723516 I see 2 screenshots from GZ Doom so not sure what is supposed to be happening.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:28:07 No.6723559 >>6723516 bottom screenshot seems to have some z-fighting on the ceiling, meaning some sectors overlap or something. I can't into doom mapping, but some anon was having a similar issue last month and the solution was something trivial iirc.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:30:47 No.6723563 >>6722645 The no explanation part is that HOMM3 is almost ONLY alive in Russia, not that played anymore in any other country. But this is offtopic sorry

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:36:36 No.6723579
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>>6723521
Because of the HUD? Idk man, that's how it is. I downloaded the latest version of PrBoom+, I used it to test all the 2048 maps, it behaves differently than GZDOOM, it says PrBoom+ when I open it........ I'm pretty sure it's PrBoom+
I am launching it from ZDL if that affects anything.
Pic related: This is the options menu for PrBoom+, correct? This certainly isn't GZDOOM options.
Anyways, even if it WAS GZDoom twice... how do I fix this in the editor?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 01:39:14 No.6723583 >>6723519 made you look!

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:01:41 No.6723616 >>6723516 >>6723579 nvm just rebuilt it differently and fixed it

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:09:03 No.6723630

>>6723365
>>6723373
>Woof is trying to be somewhat accurate to the original MBF
If this had come out sometime back in the 00's, it would've meant something huge. But after nearly two decades of everyone being used to PrBoom(+) for Boom and MBF maps, I personally think it's too late for a source port with such goal in 2020.
I can understand Chocolate aiming to preserve Vanilla compatibility, as that was the original and official executable for Doom as a whole, meaning a very large amount of stuff has already been made with it in mind, and still gets made with it in mind. But when the vast majority of "boom" and "mbf" maps are actually made with PrBoom(+) in mind, it means theres very little practical reason to preserve an engine most people already accepted as being old hat a very long time ago.
Woof has potential to be a great source port, but this goal alone is completely wasting away that opportunity, IMO.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:24:14 No.6723659 >>6723491 Gordon fucks your mom. Get over it.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:35:37 No.6723693
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Marathon'd Fresh Supply for the meme since this is how the zoomies play it, and I honestly didn't expect it to be this fucking jank. Amazing how slavs could make better ports than Night Dive could.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:45:21 No.6723717

>>6723365
Here is a quote from page 7 of that thread, regarding some errors with some textures:
>The colored line in the sky is because in this PWAD the sky texture consists of only a single patch and is thus not composed, so the columns are rendered directly from the patch lump. The two colored horizontal lines correspond to the palette colors for the patch's column length and offset values. The cut-off chain texture is because the texture width is not a power of two but some other arbitrary value.
>Both issues are stricly Doom (and even Boom/BMF) incompatibilities! They would have popped up earlier if PWADs were actually tested with the ports for which they claim compatibility. It's high time people realize that "works with PrBoom+ -complevel 11" does not mean "MBF-compatible". Especially, since PrBoom+ has derived central parts of its patch and texture processing code directly from ZDoom.
Luckily the only bugs seem to be minor texture bugs like the magenta lines in pic related

>>6723630
>Woof has potential to be a great source port
I agree. Imagine, not a Boom-compatible Crispy Doom... but an MBF-compatible Crispy Doom.
If demo recording is your thing, you will be sad to know that the port is doomed to only record -complevel 11 demos:
>there are compatibility flags to enable playback of Vanilla and Boom 2.02 demos - but let's say they have not been maintained to the same degree that we got used to from PrBoom+. I ironed out much of it, but by far not enough to open it up for demo recording in any other then MBF's own format.
I am testing out the 2048 megawad in Woof and so far no problems, but that does not mean that demos recorded in Woof will not desync in Boom.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:46:24 No.6723720 >>6723693 The slavs had the advantage of infinite time and no corporate assholes breathing down their necks. Though really, yeah Kaiser and co should have gotten their shit together.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:50:03 No.6723729 >>6723720 I understand there wasn't much time to polish it. Time should have been balanced to make sure it was tested right compared to DOS than adding stuff like custom voxels and ambient occlusion shaders, which aren't really needed.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 15, 2020 02:56:19 No.6723743 File: 29 KB, 320x200, doom188.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] forgot pic >>6723717

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