/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6698215]

FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF *RETRO* PS1 GAMES..
Is the PS3 a good choice? You get a crisp HDMI out image with optional optical audio via TOSLINK, ability to use a wireless but still 1:1 controller, or use the original PS1 controllers though an adapter and it runs legit disks as well as burned disks and both official/pirated isos if you know what you're doing.
The emulation is second only to mednafen in synthetic tests and has 99.9% compatibility.
I can't see a downside honestly. The smoothing option even blends dither patterns nicely without any excessive blurring. It also handles 240p->480i switching instantly.

[Anonymous No.6698239]

Silnt Hill 1 disc plays on my PS3 (model 2) but when you try to save the sound cuts off. Plays fine on native console and even on PS2. I don't know what other PS games will mess up like this.

Play them on their native. It's the only way.

[Anonymous No.6698261]

>>6698239
it cuts off completely and doesn't come back? sounds like a scratched disk otherwise. I played silent hill 1 off both the PSN release and an iso and didn't have any sound issues on PS3

[Anonymous No.6698281]

>>6698215
Yes, it's wonderful
Also, practically infinite memory cards.

[Anonymous No.6698303]

>>6698281
How did I forget about the memory cards?
Having a stack of PS1 cards gets old quick, especially with some of the later games taking up 5+ blocks

[Anonymous No.6698305]

>>6698215
just use mednafen

[Anonymous No.6698310]

>>6698305
accurate but also has insane input lag when using USB controllers. Having windows etc underneath doesn't help either.

[Anonymous No.6698323]

>>6698215
>I can't see a downside
The downside is that the PS3 is ugly as sin while the (original version) PS1 is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6698327]

>>6698303
*Suikoden transferring intensifies*

[Anonymous No.6698382]

No. A good test game to try out is Castlevania Symphony. Just try it on a ps1, ps2, then any ps3. The ps1 is a specific level of crisp and I would argue the ps2 isn't any different with the same SCART or something like HDretrovision cables. ps3 is blurry no matter the output. This is in simple terms. The ps3 is incredibly mediocre as a ps1 and ps2 if your goal is for the games to look their best.
>>6698310
User error shouldn't ever be something you admit to others. If you think you are getting delay then it is on you, and has been for a long time.

[Anonymous No.6698385]

>>6698215
Lag

[Anonymous No.6698393]

>>6698310
i never noticed lag while using it

[Anonymous No.6698394]

>>6698382
>If you think you are getting delay then it is on you, and has been for a long time.
Read the README for mednafen faggot, it's a well documented issue.
Also the PS3 has several internal emulators, you can choose the non blurred one with cfw.
>>6698385
slightly less than the framemeisters 1.5 frames of lag when the PS3 outputs 480p, and 3-5x less than mednafen depending on your setup.

[Anonymous No.6698529]

>>6698215
PS3 for PS1 games is terrible. Get a PS1 and a CRT, or at least a lag-free scaler

[Anonymous No.6698682]

ps3 cant do 240p, so no

[Anonymous No.6698730]

ps3 is still the winner if you aren't an absolute purist. Digital collection mixed with disks and it looks exceptional with component cables in 480i.

[Anonymous No.6698945]

PS3 is emulation. You can just emulate in other ways.
You can get a PSP and component cables for a slightly more authentic experience, if you're going that route.

[Anonymous No.6698952]

>>6698529
Nope.

[Anonymous No.6699652]

>>6698215
I have PS3 as my emulation rig.
As long as you get the first model you should be fine, the one on the far left in your pic.
It can run most games even SNES, N64 need some messing around with but the few titles I played were playable.
As for PS1/PS2, it was fine really.
Didn't notice any issues.
Also I've set up my TV to 720p.
as for what >>6698945 anon said, it CAN be done, But I wouldn't recommend it, since there's not really noticeable difference.
I think CFW added support for custom upscales options.
Alternatively just use the analog output of the PS3.

[Anonymous No.6699734]

>>6698730
>exceptional with component cables in 480i
nah you get a flickery image that way. Use a PS2 if you're a CRT autist

[Anonymous No.6699849]

>>6698215
If you're wanting to game on a plasma tv or something over hdmi or component cables then it's a decent choice.

It's not terrible as a media centre for an older tv either, Movian's good and obviously it still functions as a blu-ray player as well.

[Anonymous No.6700654]

just use a ps2 with component into a CRT or through a scaler if you're using a flat panel, 480i sucks ass for games that aren't supposed to be in 480i

[Anonymous No.6700735]

>>6700654
>480i sucks ass for games that aren't supposed to be in 480i
or just plug the PS3 into the flat panel via HDMI? It outputs 480p, 720p and I think even 1080p

[Anonymous No.6700775]

Does anyone know how to properly make a multidisk PS1 PKG for PS3?
I've been trying to get policenauts and ace combat 3 working for fucking ages and it just refuses to go smoothly.
I'm also on linux so having to use a Win 7 virtual machine for this isn't helping much.

[Anonymous No.6700795]

>>6698682
This is unacceptable, especially if you're on a CRT

[Anonymous No.6700816]

>>6698310
I dont notice any lag

[Anonymous No.6700819]

>>6700816
Good for you, aren't you a special boy?

[Anonymous No.6700824]

Its a good way to play ps1 games on a hdtv with no mucking about (extra cables, controllers, cards).
If you have a crt just use a playstation 2.
For the sake of having fewer systems shitting up the place its a good workaround.
Dont listen to lag memers. They just want to enjoy the supposed superiority of having big rom sets and pc monitors.

[Anonymous No.6701098]

>>6698215
> OF *RETRO* PS1 GAMES..

You're really missing out by not availing yourself to the world of modern PS1 games

[Anonymous No.6701103]

>>6698261
Legit SH disks won't work properly with the PS3, there's a known bug with the PS3s PS1 emulation re: SH1 sound

[Anonymous No.6701108]

>>6701103
That's probably why I didn't notice it then.
There's the PSN release and cfw using an iso that are still available to you

[Anonymous No.6701124]

>>6701108
Nah, I just can't bring myself to support a company that can't keep track of their source codes or fix issues.

[Anonymous No.6701126]

>>6701124
>buying a cheap ps3 off someone is supporting snoy
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.6701128]

>>6701126
lol are you? I'm talking about Konami

[Anonymous No.6701130]

>>6701128
you don't have to pay for PSN games kek

[Anonymous No.6701137]

>>6701098
Waiting for the day someone figures out how to recreate the wobble and opens up the opportunity for PS1 homebrew games being sold on disc.

[Anonymous No.6701138]

>>6701130
I'm no tech wiz, I can't flip the flops and discombobulate the unpolarized instruction sets well enough to avoid Sony's ICE

[Anonymous No.6701210]

>>6701138
They don't even ban you off PSN anymore

[Anonymous No.6701325]

>>6698945
Not true, it's quasi-emulated. The PS3 has the original PS1 CPU, but everything else is emulated. It runs reasonably well, the biggest issue aside from one-off glitches is that the video is a little softer compared to the PS1. For someone with limited space who just wants a simple way to get HDMI out and a reasonably accurate experience, PS3 is fine.

[Anonymous No.6701434]

Too much lag for me and it doesn't do dithering correctly.

[Anonymous No.6702474]

>>6701325
What the fuck are you talking about? PS3 has absolutely no PS1 hardware, it's only software emulation.
>>6701434
It's less lag than the mememeister though.
Also elaborate on the dithering.

[Anonymous No.6702485]

The launch PS3 is still probably the best way to play PS1 and PS2 games outside of a PC since they have the literal chips in them. The problem all launch will eventually die from the yellow ring of death issue. Nothing escaped the lead free solder growing pains in those years.

[Anonymous No.6702553]

>>6702474
>It's less lag than the mememeister though.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.6702559]

>>6702553
1 frame vs 1.5-2 frames while also handling resolution switching instantly

[Anonymous No.6702565]

>>6702485
lmao not a single thing about your post is correct

[Anonymous No.6702580]

>>6701325
lol the PS3 does not have a PS1 CPU, it literally emulates everything, it doesn't even run PS3 games outside of emulation

[Batowl No.6702613]

>>6698215
I play sd 2 on ps3.

[Anonymous No.6703347]

>>6698310
>accurate but also has insane input lag

Get a better fucking computer then.

[Anonymous No.6703370]

>>6702559
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.6703521]

I remember my copy (PAL) of Ape Escape not working on my PS3 because the emulation messes the copy protection somehow

[Anonymous No.6703984]

>>6698215
I thought the 3rd version of ps3 didn't play ps1 games?

[Anonymous No.6704260]

>>6698215
I have 3 PS2s.
>One doesn't read PS1 memory cards in slot one for some retarded reason
>One doesn't read discs anymore
>One doesn't have a functional bios menu
I just don't get it. I guess I got 2 of those second hand, so who knows what they've been through. I suspect the one I had got it's memory card fucked up by the 4 way multitap thing but that's just a guess. The PS3 literally has a PS2 crammed in it, so I suspect it'll have the same problems. Honestly thinking of buying a PS1. I see them for less than $10 at flea markets from time to time.

[Anonymous No.6704275]

>>6701137
Multiple people have done this already
https://github.com/dsoft20/psx_retroshader
https://github.com/keijiro/Retro3D

[Anonymous No.6704308]

>>6703984
No, it does, but the emulation is shit ass. You might as well use a Pi.

[Anonymous No.6704328]

>>6704260
The 3900x or 5000x are your best bets.
3900x's are generally the most reliable, and have the best laser for reading games on DVD, which is most PS2 games. 5000x's are way quieter, may have an easier time with CDs, and has an IR blaster and better DVD-video playback features, if that's something you care about.

[Anonymous No.6704350]

>>6699652
Just how?

[Anonymous No.6704441]

>>6704328
Is the reliability of the PS2 really so much an issue that you have to get a specific model? It's the only console (aside form the 360) that gave me problems. I have 3 and they all can't play PS1 games, some can't even play PS2 games.

I'm just worried about digging through flea markets or overpaying on ebay again just to get fucked. I got my second hand PS2s for $15 at a flea market and $35 on ebay. I just glanced at ebay and now they're going for +$60, some up in the 100s. For the most sold console in history. This scalping shit is getting out of hand. This is why I'm considering getting a PS1. They're cheap as dirt and I have never seen one break. Either that or just going to a retro game shop and getting it fixed. I already botched fixing a 360 (and potentially one of the PS2s trying to revive it).

I just want to play Vagrant Story god damnit.

[Anonymous No.6704474]

>>6702485
Lead-free solder was the issue of xbox 360, caps were the part that broke the most often in case of ps3.

[Anonymous No.6704478]

>>6704441
They generally got better later on. The Slims supposedly have very little issues, but you lose the ability to use an HDD in those (earliest ones can be hardware modded to accept them, but that's another step you'd have to go through) and the PS1 compatibility isn't as good.

You do actually have to be careful with PS1s as well. Early units will more than likely have issues reading games. You may have to tip them on their side, or even upside down, or hell, may not play at all. Systems manufactured from 1998 or later should be mostly fine, though.

[Anonymous No.6704486]

>>6704478
I have a slim. It's the one that can't read PS1 memory cards through slot 1. I think I even tried swapping the mem card ports but it didn't work.

[Anonymous No.6704497]

>>6700775
Wait, why are you trying to run multidisk games through a pkg instead of through multiman?

[Anonymous No.6704513]

>>6704486
That may actually be an issue with the motherboard, rather than the slot itself. I have a PS1 with a similar issue, and swapping the entire part didn't fix it either.
I have three 39001s that all work fine for the most part. One of them has non-functional LEDs, which is supposedly due to blown fuse somewhere on the board, but I've been too lazy to bother repairing something that's mostly cosmetic.

[Anonymous No.6704535]

>>6704513
I don't even know why my last one crapped out. It's on a power conditioner that I have powered off when I'm not using it. I haven't used it in a few months and suddenly it can't read discs. Fucking bullshit. I'm honestly going to see if a shop can fix one of these things. Done gambling for a decent PS2 and getting snake eyes every single god damn time.

[Anonymous No.6704573]

>>6704535
Have you tried cleaning the laser at all? Sometimes that's all you really need. Something like this with a brush on the bottom of the disc should do the trick: https://www.amazon.com/Maxell-Effective-Feature-Station-190048/dp/B000001OM5/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=laser+cleaning+cd&qid=1597054769&sr=8-2

[Anonymous No.6704581]

>>6704497
multiman can't switch disks period, and webman can only do it if you FTP into the PS3 with another device and use the web interface.
PKGs is the only way to get software disk switching it seems.

[Anonymous No.6704590]

>>6704535
all 5 of mine play DVDs, CDs and PS1 disks just fine.
Guess you just have bad luck kek

[Anonymous No.6704608]

>>6698215
A later model PS1 that has been chipped with a modern modchip like MM3. Not Japanese, they have extra copy protection inside. But PAL consoles are fine since the 60hz/50hz switch was fully in software and it will switch over to 60hz if you run a game made for that refresh rate on it.

[Anonymous No.6704783]

>>6704486
what slim? scph-xxxxx
original sony-MC or third-party?

[Anonymous No.6704987]

>>6704573
I don't know if it's the laser. When I put a disc in it makes a really loud noise like the disc is caught on something and grinding, or there are 2 discs in the slot and it's having issues. Very unnerving.

>>6704590
It might've just been boomers abusing the shit out of their things and the cheap discount multitap breaking my slim. The one with BIOS issues I never booted before. The one that can't read disks I had to clean the dust out because it was insane.

>>6704783
SCPH-70012. Sony from what I can tell

[Anonymous No.6705061]

>>6704350
>Just how?
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.6705064]

>>6704987
>SCPH-70012. Sony from what I can tell
ah, ok, then it's something else.

[Anonymous No.6705181]

>>6704275
Damn, you really got my hopes up only to find out you replied to the wrong anon

[Anonymous No.6705218]

>>6705061
Hiw can you pirate ps3 to play psx isos?

[Anonymous No.6706110]

>>6705218
cfw

[Anonymous No.6706748]

My experience using HEN was good, but I've had issues with some CDDA games which the music went bonkers. Also rhythm games don't tend to work well because timing is fucked up. The 3 games I have physical work great, but there is some volume issues (the Hokuto no Ken game) but I played that years ago on real hardware so I can't remember if that was there. PS1 on PS3 is region locked while playing physical unless you mod the console, digital works fine in that regard.

[Anonymous No.6706769]

>>6698261
I played Silent Hill PSN release and it got fucked up around the hospital with sound issues.

[Anonymous No.6707534]

>>6706769
Can you elaborate because I can't find anything about this
https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/PS1_Classics_Emulator_Compatibility_List