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Where did it all go wrong /vr/? Where did the downfall that led to the wasteland that is the series in current day begin?

>> No.6684578

>>6684559
>Where did it all go wrong /vr/?
Turning it into boss rush bullshit to try and one-up Trashure.

>> No.6684636

>>6684559
>outdated mechanics
>gimmicks

that

>> No.6684637

>>6684636
>outdated mechanics
?

>> No.6684642

>>6684559
Outside of the 2 PSX contras, all /vr/ contra is good. All of it.

Except Alien Wars GB lmao. Fuck that game.

>> No.6684649

>>6684559
They struggled to maintain a footing for the series as 3D came to the forefront of console games. As >>6684642 said it's really just the 2 PSX games. The non vr gen 6 titles after that are really great.

>> No.6684657

>>6684649
The real problem isn't 3D or the ps1, the real problem is them letting non-Japanese developers make an action game, that tends to end poorly. As soon as they got Japanese developers to do it, the quality of the games shot up.

>> No.6684756

>>6684578
Alien Wars is definitely where the original spirit and high mark of quality the series both withered and died.

>> No.6684767

>>6684649
Yeah I bet you like the newest title too huh faggot?

>> No.6684776

>>6684559
Realistic approach can’t be brought to the childish 3D Nintendo stuff.

>> No.6684802

>>6684578
>Turning it into boss rush bullshit
that's what happened to the genre not contra.

>> No.6684806

>>6684802
"The genre" is just a small handful of series and a bunch of disconnected games. Contra and Metal Slug are the biggest, MS didn't fall for the boss rush meme, Contra did.

>> No.6684810
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>>6684802
HOLY CONTRAFAG COPE

>> No.6684813

>>6684756
Really? The first couple games are good but take like 15 minutes to beat.

>> No.6684817

>>6684813
Alien Wars shit all over what Contra is supposed to be

>> No.6684829

>>6684817
A loose adaptation of Arnold/Stallone movies?

>> No.6684843

>>6684578
Treasure didn't even exist yet when Contra III was created.

>> No.6684858

>>6684806
Metal slug is a tower defense game for cellphones now, actually even that is already dead. Jesus Christ

>> No.6684861

>>6684858
Mobileshit doesn't count, Contra got some chink gacha mobile spinoff too

>> No.6684880

>>6684843
Contra 3 was made by proto-Treasure before they split off, hence why it sucked ass and was the worst Contra game.

>> No.6684883

The series went downhill after Hard Corps. Everything before that was great, excluding Force of course.

>> No.6684884

>>6684880
How could anyone who likes Contra dislike Contra 3? It's an amazing game.

>> No.6684893

>>6684884
It's too boss rushy and the top down stages suck

>> No.6684917

>>6684559
what are you even talking about

>> No.6684932

>>6684880
It really wasn't by proto-Treasure lol, they might have had one guy from that team who went off to join Treasure, look up and compare the staff rolls

>> No.6685329

>>6684578
Seek help

>> No.6685363

>>6684884
Hard Corps is the true Contra 3 and the true sequel to the design concepts and spirit of Contra and Super Contra. Alien Wars is shit.

>> No.6685372

Shut up australia.

>> No.6685392

>>6684932
Pretty sure the two lead programmers on 3 were NAMI and Yaiman, both prominent members of Treasure.

>> No.6685651

>>6684559
Rouge Corp >>>>>>> LoUII and Metal Gear hacker.

>> No.6685656

>>6685363
Wrong dude, Hard Corp feel like those expansion pack to Contra Spirit.

>> No.6685657

>>6684559
I would kill my youngest nephew and fuk my aunt

>> No.6685663

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIayuURHeFk

>ten games

and you contramemes still keep begging for more.

>> No.6685950

>>6684642
>Outside of the 2 PSX contras, all /vr/ contra is good. All of it.
Yes
>>6684649
>The non vr gen 6 titles after that are really great.
No

>> No.6685960

Contra = Super C = Alien Wars = Hard Corps >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else, including the overrated Contra 4 and Uprising

>> No.6685976

>>6684578
>Turning it into boss rush bullshit to try and one-up Trashure.
This is one good reason. Also, they went a bit overboard with the futuristic setting and they lost the Predator and Rambo feel of the originals. Adding to that, the music got progessively worse after Hard Corps. Shattered Soldiers music is almost unlistenable.

Besides, Konami kept doing weird things like giving Contra 4 to a western developer which made almost a remake of the originals instead of a full new sequel.

>> No.6686231

>>6685976
>giving Contra 4 to a western developer which made almost a remake of the originals
At least they knew that proper Contra was just as much about the stage navigation as the bosses.

>> No.6686236

>>6685976
>Shattered Soldiers music is almost unlistenable.
No

>> No.6686261
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>>6685976
You have (objectively) terrible taste in music. First thing after playing the game back in the day was buying the Jap soundtrack from Play-Asia.

>> No.6686274

>>6686231
>At least they knew that proper Contra was just as much about the stage navigation as the bosses.
Yes. It was not a bad game, but I was a bit dissapointed that it recyled many things and music themes.

>>6686261
>You have (objectively) terrible taste in music. First thing after playing the game back in the day was buying the Jap soundtrack from Play-Asia.
Whatever. I don't think that music suits the game and I don't think anyone remembers any theme from the game, unlike the classic Contras which had some of the best music of the era and still get plenty of remixes by fans. It's a different style I guess.

>> No.6686276

>>6686274
>I don't think
there's the problem
YOU

>> No.6686462

>Where did the downfall that led to the wasteland that is the series in current day begin?
This is easy: it's always been a breddy gud series that has had a couple of shit games here in there. The newest one seems pretty shitty, but odds are decent they'll get the next one right.

>> No.6686559
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6686559

>yfw Blownami, Trashure and StiNK never made a shoot 'n scoot as good as Xain'd Sleena

>> No.6686579

>>6686559
See>>6685372
>>6685329

>> No.6686606

>>6684559
They should simply hand over the rights to Arc System Works. They're the last ones who did an official Contra that was worth a damn. Maybe they could license it out to Joymasher, Blazing Chrome was a better Contra game than anything Konami's done in-house in ages.

>> No.6686612

>>6684861
>chink
FUCK YOU RACIST PIECE OF SHIT

>> No.6686615

>>6685656
Literal retard

Anyone with half a brain can see that Hard Corps is the true Contra III

>> No.6686647
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6686647

>>6685656
Imagine being this retarded

>> No.6686654

>>6684861
It's actually a Western-developed game for home consoles and PC. But yeah, it's terrible.

>> No.6686668

>>6686647
Imagine being a cope.

>> No.6686670

>>6686615
>>6686647
Act all retard this late

>> No.6686703

>>6686606
>No way poo head
Blazing Chrome literal for feminist trash rip off of hard corps.

>> No.6686712

>>6685656
HC is better than Spirit.

>> No.6686729

>>6686712
So what? Two different games is not reason to think it better.

>> No.6686757

>>6686712
Both shit compared to (arcade) Contra and Super C.

>> No.6686781

>>6685976
Even more stranger, Probotector IV didn’t get proper released in Europe, Australia and other countries.

>> No.6686782

>>6686276
>there's the problem
>YOU
Lol. I still hate the music, but I'll give to you that putting a demented Yamaoka in charge of the music of a Contra game was probably a genious move.

>>6686606
>They should simply hand over the rights to Arc System Works. They're the last ones who did an official Contra that was worth a damn. Maybe they could license it out to Joymasher, Blazing Chrome was a better Contra game than anything Konami's done in-house in ages.
Hard Corps: Uprising was too anime-looking. I hope that tif they do another sequel they follow more the style of the originals.

>> No.6686820

>>6686782
Hm I don't give af anon.

>> No.6686825

>>6684559
Turrican > Contra

>> No.6686975

>>6686825
>Turrican
Contra >> Metal Slug >>>> Turrican

>> No.6686980

>>6686825
Patchetic coping microcomputer Britfag

>> No.6687007

>>6686825
DAS RIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHeImF-p2lY

>> No.6687027

>>6686612
Stfu chang

>> No.6687619

>>6684559
Handing it over to Apaloosa.

>> No.6687627

>>6684657
This 100%

>> No.6688362

>>6686703
If you're gonna steal, steal from the best.

>> No.6688414

Contra/Super C/Contra 3: Artistic interpretations of the Guatemalan/Iranian Contras featuring Stallone and Schwarzenegger fighting alien communists.

Hard Corps onwards: le wacky mercenaries fight uncharacteristic aliums

>> No.6688428

>>6684559
No idea. I beat my first Contra a month ago and don't know what to play next since I rarely see threads on this series.

>> No.6688518

>>6688428
The next one chronologically would be the go to answer. Or the original if that's not what you started with.

>> No.6688685

>>6688428
Play Contra 1, Super C, 3, Hard Corps, and then play Contra 1, Super C, 3, and Hard Corps. Then try the Metal Slug series, the Gunstar games, and Turrican, realize that compared to Contra they're shit, play Ghouls 'n Ghosts and Super G'n'G, realize they're great, and then start back at Contra 1 again

>> No.6688701

>>6688685
I actually had fun playing through the first Metal Slug. Thanks for the recommendations, looks like Super C is next on my list.

>> No.6688731

>>6684767
Honestly it was alright if you remove the title. It's basically the blops arcade game
>>6685950
>I haven't played Neo Contra but it doesn't look like something I like so I'll assume it's terrible

>> No.6688732
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6688732

>>6688414

>> No.6689402

>>6688731
Neo Contra is stupid fun. I like it a lot, but it ain't Contra in the purest sense.

>> No.6689407 [DELETED] 

>>6688685
shut up konami shill

>> No.6689412

>>6684559
They sucked after Shattered Soldier. Too bad that one's not considered retro here, it's fucking amazing and feels like the originals but with glorious 2002 3D.

>> No.6689413

>>6689407
Go piss off, Jimtard.

>> No.6689415 [DELETED] 

>>6689413
>Jimtard.
???

>> No.6690765

>>6689415
He thinks you're a Jim Sterling fan because only the fat homo and his fanbase can shit on Konami for their absolutely abhorrent output and treatment of their IPs nowadays.

>> No.6690771

>>6688414
Hard Corps is the true Contra 3

>> No.6690828

>all that australia-kun shitposting itt
the guy really pops up in every single thread that has Konami games, doesn't he?
What's the deal? Why is he so obsessed with Konami?

>> No.6690834

>>6690771
Hard Corps is another Contra III expansion pack*

>> No.6690843

>>6690771
The real Contra 3 is ReBirth

>> No.6691207

>>6690843
>ReBirth
Sucks. Ugly piece of shit. But Alien Wars is a masterpiece

>> No.6691218

>>6691207
What the fuck, Alien Wars is fucking repulsive thanks to mode 7 Rebirth actually looks good & consistent

>> No.6691241

>>6691207
>masterpiece
It's the worst of Nakazato's Contra trilogy tho.

Hardcorps > SS > 3

>> No.6691346

>>6691218
Rebirth looks like baby's first indie game

>> No.6692432

>>6691207
>Sucks. Ugly piece of shit. But Alien Wars is a masterpiece
Agree. The Rebirth series for the Nintendo Wii were all pretty bad. Looked like the work of amateurs instead of the people who brougth to us the great Fantasy Zone 2 remake.

>> No.6692469

>3 is the best
>no HC is the best
>no 3
>no HC
it's all so tiring.
console wars are so retarded.

>> No.6694835

>>6692469
It is. They two different game. I totally want Hard Corps on my SNES.

>> No.6694839

>>6691241
Fooking cope. False nonsense.

>> No.6696207 [DELETED] 

>>6694839
Ok Nintendildo.

>> No.6696209

>>6696207
Why the fuck are you so obsessed with Konami games, auster?