What do you think of the retro speed run scene?

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Anonymous Thu Jul 30 04:59:56 2020 No.6659332 [Reply] [Original]

What do you think of the retro speed run scene?

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:06:33 2020 No.6659352

>>6659332
It sort of represents a side of the medium I have no interest in, like maximizing mastery over mechanics. Since I mostly see video games as an artform, it impresses me about as much as speed readers of a novel. It's cool, I guess, but yeah getting really good at a game has nothing to do with why I like games, so good for them but it's almost unrelated to what the medium means to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:07:24 2020 No.6659354 >>6659332 For me, it's endless bait threads

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:07:59 2020 No.6659356 File: 811 KB, 1596x1128, 1589237101571.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659352 >anti skill >games are art

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:11:31 2020 No.6659364 >>6659332 I like laughing at the trannies it produces.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:12:38 2020 No.6659371

>>6659356
I still play mechanically-focused games, like I love difficult puzzle games like Zachtronics. But as I've gotten older I give a bit less of a shit about seeing a score go up, like I used to 1cc shmups and all that, but I dunno, I have scratched that reward itch in other ways now (like exercise), and appreciate games like any other medium. I read a lot, watch a lot of movies, and I'm really into games with unique experiences. Like to me, retro adventure games like Riven or moody shit like Baroque are way more interesting than like, how fast you can get through Super Mario Bros. I'm into the experience more than seeing the number increase in and of itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:15:16 2020 No.6659380 >>6659371 I'm the one you quote and I hate shumps and shmup posters, its funny to see one of them finally snap and go for extreme opposite. You people really are mentally ill.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:17:50 2020 No.6659389 File: 1.71 MB, 2560x1707, 1582490699165.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] something is realy wrong woith these "people"

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:18:06 2020 No.6659392

>>6659380
I don't think there's a genre I don't play really, I still play some shmups, I still play platformers, and so on. I just don't have much interest in getting really good at it, it seems like a waste of time to me. Like I'd rather read a good book than get really goddamn good at a score attack game or getting top rank in some competitive multiplayer game. I love video games, maybe you do too in your own way. There are lots of cool games out there to experience that I wouldn't have had the time to try if I spent all my time getting really good at just a few!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:20:56 2020 No.6659401 >>6659389 They seem like happy people with their friends

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:27:17 2020 No.6659423 >>6659401 lunatics laugh out of insanity. they are not happy

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:32:08 2020 No.6659438
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>>6659332
>>6659356
serious speed running and high-score culture require sacrifice and becoming degenerate, making you less than what you should be, while providing very little in return.
the higher the skill-ceiling a game has the more toll it will take on you, the more time and energy it will eat up. it's not worth degrading yourself just to extract a virtual thrill, a vanity boost and some fleeting entertainment.

there is worth to skilled gameplay, if you can accomplish it casually with little personal sacrifice go for it. But it's probably safer to just play easy games if you find them enjoyable.

>>6659389
trannies who are attracted to speedrunning just prove how masculine they still are, since practicing a technical and anti-social skill is not something women gravitate to.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:35:24 2020 No.6659446

>>6659438
Stop strawmanning, I'm not defending speedrunners. There's also only so much muscle memory can get you. If you're a smart individual you're able to pick up new tricks faster, and you will generally have much better decision making. I'm not about making score numbers going up or game time going down, I enjoy mastering games through ability and a decent understanding of game design, not repetition.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:36:30 2020 No.6659449 >>6659389 Why are all speedrunners trannies? Are they trying to speedrun real life?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:37:18 2020 No.6659452 >>6659446 I didn't present anyone's argument to strawman. I offered my opinion, take it or leave it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:38:36 2020 No.6659457 They should use that focus for a game that'll reward them for it. >>6659380 Once I stopped interacting with the retarded shmup community they became way more fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:38:38 2020 No.6659458 >>6659389 >maybe if I bully my peers chad will finally accept meee

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:38:49 2020 No.6659459 >>6659438 >trannies who are attracted to speedrunning just prove how masculine they still are, since practicing a technical and anti-social skill is not something women gravitate to. This. Even if it's bait women don't partake in this shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:42:13 2020 No.6659479 I was a "fan'" for quite some time but ultimately competetive gaming is the most degenerate time waste. Modern or retro. Speedrunning against oneself or competing in a tournament. It's all arbitrary

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:43:35 2020 No.6659486 >>6659479 >arbitrary

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:45:58 2020 No.6659494 >>6659332 Autism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:47:37 2020 No.6659498 substitution virtual achievements for real achievements is an expression of despair, mental illness and a person being totally lost in life.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:49:05 2020 No.6659502

substituting virtual achievements for real achievements is fine for children and young teens who have nothing going for them and no responsibilities yet, but for adults? for grown men? it's an expression of despair, mental illness and a person being totally lost in life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:21:39 2020 No.6659590 >>6659479 >im shit at everything so everyone else must be wasting time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:26:39 2020 No.6659609 >>6659486 >write me a shitty poem, anon Does anybody know where the music is from that plays in All Categories Are Arbitrary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:28:20 2020 No.6659613 >>6659590 Not baiting, speaking as someone who dove deep into competitive mechanics and it's never worth it. Casual play is best.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:30:52 2020 No.6659619 File: 132 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The only speedrunners I respect are the Tool Assisted Speedrun crowd namely because they combine math nerds with gaming into a beautiful gem of autism.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:34:32 2020 No.6659636

>>6659438
This. I LOVE the creativity that goes into speedrunning, but there's nothing more soulless than seeing sm64 with the same jumps for the umptieth time.

Speedrunning is inherently not meant for competition as it becomes a soul-crushing grind of diminishing returns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:43:44 2020 No.6659671 >>6659332 SPeedrunning is the most soulless way to play video games. Change my mind. No appreciation for aesthetics or art, just rote memorization.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:44:48 2020 No.6659678 >>6659389 >all white White people, what the fuck? Explain yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:46:18 2020 No.6659684 >>6659678 White people without slavery is a shell of their former selves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:46:21 2020 No.6659685 >>6659671 Wrong. Only zoomers speedrun blind. If anything you speedrun BECAUSE you already have a deep appreciation for the art and aesthetics of a given game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:47:23 2020 No.6659691 >>6659401 lmao they are some of the most miserable lot you'll meet

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:48:05 2020 No.6659692 File: 11 KB, 720x708, 1583498190902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659678 You know it in your heart. No explanation needed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:56:14 2020 No.6659707 [DELETED]

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The only speedruns I like are for (NOT RETRO) games like GTA3-SA, all Hitman games, MGS2-3, THPS and some RE games where there's lots of ways to break the game, sequence break and RNGesus to fuck you up. Armored Core runs can get quite mathy too, but the actual gameplay is meh. Otherwise all other speedruns are gay, it boils down to memorization and autism, especially when there's an agreed upon "route".
To speedrun is a big sin but one I don't mind, I find the idea of how to beat a game fast and unlock its secret goodies interesting, but making a sport out of it is a no-go zone.

A far bigger sin is to speedread, in any game or a VN ("game"), then wondering where do you have to go or what happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:56:25 2020 No.6659708 >>6659389 man they look really sad and uncomfortable. that's terrible

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:57:15 2020 No.6659710 >>6659389 if you can't make it as a man...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:59:42 2020 No.6659713 >>6659389 I wonder how many were born with a penis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:00:07 2020 No.6659714 >>6659678 there's just more white people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABmDatLAjDo

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:01:08 2020 No.6659717 >>6659713 anon... they all were

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:05:31 2020 No.6659734 [DELETED]

>>6659678
In some brown shitholes it is tradition to dress little boys in girls dresses and fuck them. You don't see that on social media. And don't even start with asia. These few retards from the degenerate west can't compete with the faggotry of non-white shitholes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:09:01 2020 No.6659741 Its interesting but not so much that I want to watch it. Occasionally when someone finds a super quick glitch ill watch something but even when creators make videos trying to make it interesting it just isn't

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:09:49 2020 No.6659743 >>6659678 Common Filth was right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:13:12 2020 No.6659753 Hey cool you made this thread earlier, take it to /v/ you mental defective.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:16:20 2020 No.6659761 Fuck off, retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:16:36 2020 No.6659762 >>6659753 speedrunning /vr/ games is /vr/

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:20:36 2020 No.6659776

>>6659762
This isn't about speedrunning. It's about speedrunners so we're all collectively offtopic and talking about stupid shit.
That includes me.

This isn't /vr/, this is /v/ tier shit. Give it another few months we'll have LOL threads and furry porn threads. Just like the fucking shithole that is /v/. What I wouldn't give to beat so many of you fucking useless sacks of shit with a fucking belt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:27:39 2020 No.6659936 >>6659776 op didn't say it was about speedrunners, don't blame him for people arguing about speedrunners

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:30:11 2020 No.6659941 >>6659332 Why should I care if a random dude plays a 20+yo game?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:33:01 2020 No.6659949 >>6659941 Nobody's forcing you to care. Why tf are you even here and not without all the rest /v/spergs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:34:16 2020 No.6659956 >>6659457 >basing your enjoyment of something on what strangers think about it

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:38:25 2020 No.6659967

>>6659352
What does "seeing games as art" even mean if you're going to disregard one of the most important aspects of the medium. Games not only rely on the presence of a player for their design and have probably the heaviest creator-viewer interaction out of any medium, but they evolve and take on a life of their own. To me saying you care about the medium but don't care about high level play is like saying you care about a story telling medium but don't care about interpreting, analyzing it and understanding its cultural significance. It comes off as completely hollow.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:41:55 2020 No.6659972

>>6659332
We can get new insights into an old game’s mechanics by seeing how people were able to dissect them, thereby appreciating that game more.

Last week, I did some basic tricks in Super Mario Bros for a friend who came over. He thought it was really interesting and we enjoyed ourselves more as a result.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:50:00 2020 No.6659997

Depends on which scene some are pretty cool but others (anything Nintendo related usually) are autistic cringe. That said speedrunning itself is quite cool and has a lot of value when it comes to understanding games, their design, how players interact with games and other things on top of being entertaining in shorter bursts. Don't know why anyone would watch someone grind runs on twitch though, but big events where people show off their practiced runs with commentary are good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:01:39 2020 No.6660015 >>6659972 Then you did some basic tricks on his cock and anus and you enjoyed yourselves even more as a result

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:06:10 2020 No.6660027

>>6659967
Fair point! To me, the time:meaning ratio is off for getting good enough for high level play. I can't say it is an artless, meaningless thing to master a game, perhaps some artistic meaning can be found only through that experience, but the time required isn't worth it (to me personally!). High level play is a barrier of entry of sorts, and if it is analogous to critically analyzing a literary work, I feel like the time spent for me to read a novel and analyze it would provide more meaning than spending the equivalent time getting good at playing Super Mario Bros. To put it another way, I think there is a lot of meaning to be found in the medium but to dedicate hours and hours on maximizing a route through a game is maybe like spending hours and hours analyzing not a novel but a children's picture book. To me it might be worth reading the picture book and interpreting and analyzing it if it took an hour or two, but it would be sort of pathological to dedicate a hundred hours doing so to the average children's picture book. Playing your average video game for 1000 hours just ain't the same as spending that long on a novel.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:18:56 2020 No.6660061

>>6660027
>To me, the time:meaning ratio is off for getting good enough for high level play.
See, I don't get this attitude and it almost seems weirdly self-centered. I understand that you might not be into experiencing high level play PERSONALLY, but this is the reality for most people who are interested in high level play, including game developers. It's not a reason to dismiss it since it can be experienced in shorter bursts (you don't need to grind for a WR to understand not just the strats of a speedrun but get an approximation of what it's going to be like), or indirectly, it provides value even if you don't partake in it yourself.

And the meaning of speedrunning/high level play to the players isn't the point of discussion really. It has a lot of meaning for your/our understanding and perception of games themselves. More interestingly because games are both complex and interactive (which leads to unexpected behaviors/interactions and exploits), high level play doesn't simply explore them but often even evolves them. Check out some runs with developer reactions and look at how fascinated they are at how much more there is to their games than they anticipated, they absolutely love that shit.

Also unrelated but I think painting meaning as something inherent to a work is misguided, meaning is extracted out of a work by you. Saying you'll get more value out of analyzing a book is merely indicative of your own mentality. If you want meaning, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from using games as a vehicle for improving your most important skills in life like discipline and analytical thinking. It's kind of a moot conversation.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:28:37 2020 No.6660106
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You can get good at a game, but at what cost? As long as you're mastering multiple aspects of your life and prioritizing things appropriately then gettin' gud at a game is feasible and could add value and a way to channel some excess energy. But if you're pouring 70% of your energy into a video game, while neglecting more important things then the cost is too high and the argument to git gud is hollow.

>>6660027
>the time:meaning ratio is off for getting good enough for high level play.
>Playing your average video game for 1000 hours just ain't the same as spending that long on a novel.
If your time horizon is long enough then it could easily be feasible and rewarding. For example if you dedicate 1hour a day, for 7 years, that's 2555 gaming hours. That's plenty of time to get really damn good at any game. You could set some high speed runs, high scores or do well in most tournaments, probably.

But because games are fun and addictive restricting yourself to 1hour a day might be harder than it seems, and you could end up burning 3,4 or 5hours a day during the week, and then ruin your weekends as well. Play excessively every day for a few years and you're bound to neglect more important things in life. You'll wake up one day and realize you're a loser, in bad shape, probably on welfare or working some dead end job.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:35:22 2020 No.6660134
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>>6659438
The dedication and sacrifice are WHY I like it. ZFG reminds me of a modern day stoic. Content doing the same thing every day for several years, just perfecting it and perfecting it, for no real purpose other than self fulfillment and progress. Sharing encyclopedic knowledge of this mips machine and a particular game that runs on it, and ironically lessons on how to be patient (while performing a task meant to be as fast as possible), or how to collaborate with others to fulfill some arbitrary task.
>just be perfect for 4 hours straight
>multiple times a day
>every day
>for decades
>for no actual reason other than fulfilling your own arbitrary goal
Godlike.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:50:37 2020 No.6660184
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>>6660134
>4hours straight, multiple times a day, for years
Like a frog slowly boiling in water he doesn't realize his predicament. A person who obsesses over a particular technical ability at the cost of everything else is nothing like a stoic, he has become an instrument, a tool, a cog-in-the-machine. Reduced himself to a simple function.
A stoic is someone who engages with the world and has mastery on many levels, developing multiple virtues and abilities, while dealing with tribulations appropriately.
Being a one-trick-pony and hermit is not the way to be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:07:09 2020 No.6660227 >>6659332 Overrun by trannies

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:10:37 2020 No.6660241 >>6659332 A very strange thing. Games very often aren't about completing them as fast as possible. Also, it's also strangely full of trannies and autism and paedos as has been mentioned.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:11:41 2020 No.6660243

>>6660184
>Being a one-trick-pony and hermit is not the way to be.
I don't think it's fair to jump to conclusion, and automatically assert the written character / attached image. It's not to say that is their only quality, simply that it's the only on-topic related thing to post about.

I personally like the way he handles organization and democracy of this little sect. They move rapidly, but not hastily. They really are using serious methods to coordinate and that's interesting to hear about, as someone who works remotely and has to do similar things.
He puts in real effort in a number of different areas, and those have not only improved over time, but have been added to / extended.

Sure there are some that are as you imagine, but not all, or at least not the one I am specifying. "masterful" is how I would describe his level of what he's doing. He has full control of not only the game at this point, but the machine it's running on.
They're writing programs in bytecode using kanji characters in the save file names to gain items in game. That is wizard tier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:12:28 2020 No.6660245 >>6660241 and furries, I forgot to mention.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:15:53 2020 No.6660261

>>6660227
>Absolutely obssessive "Hobby" for mentally ill people
>involves being filmed and streamed for hours on end every day to get the attention of strangers
>Overrun by trannies
Imagine my surprise

Suppose one dude on a dress tries to run through the Louvre as fast as he can; he can train hard, ha can be the fastest, he can be cheered on by others. But his hobby is not at all related to the art exposed and he probably has some mental issues.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:24:07 2020 No.6660286

>>6660027
Yo dude, I just wanted you to know, you're kind going through the hoops of life right now, and you're at that stage where you probably have segued from being an avid video game fan to feeling like it has less worth than it used to. I'm just letting you know that you don't inherently have to make a complex argument explaining your deep-seated feelings of regret of spending your teens playing World of Warcraft. To compare a speedrun to a children's picture book is not only a terrible argument because its a bad analogy that makes no sense, it's an utter projection of your view of video games as a whole, they're for "children" and you seem "immature" spending time on them. You've let society decide your own view on something that I'm sure at some point you liked more than you do now. I'm just letting you know, there's been a perennial stigma for a long time against games as being a waste of time, I get you read the /fit/ sticky and your first philosophy book but you are not better nor is your time more well spent analyzing Dostoevsky than it is speedrunning. You fail to realize that speedrunning as a whole is also a huge community effort and there is huge benefits that come with that. I'm not even saying that I personally like the benefits of speedrunning a game for 1000 hours, I honestly don't. But I am saying that your view is pretty shallow, and that you seem like someone who has never attempted mastery of anything in your life. Any sort of mastery is sacrifice, any sort of mastery is monotonous boredom, that's how you become good at something. There are things you can get out of speedrunning that you can't out of reading a book, or basically doing fucking anything, so think about it and hit me up when you think you figure it out!

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:24:53 2020 No.6660291

>>6660261
What a shitty analogy and completely undermining games as a medium. Games are not buildings that house art, their purpose is not to act as a gallery for assets. If games are to be considered art at all then their artistry must lie in the aspects that are unique to the medium, so the systems and mechanics and how the player interacts with them. Speedrunners engage with the work, and very deeply in fact. If you want some kind of comparison then you can consider speedrunning roughly equivalent to technical analysis of a work, instead of some kind of thematic analysis or a casual passive experience.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:31:16 2020 No.6660309 >>6660184 And yet despite all your insults, he is still more famous, makes more money, and is more talented than you will ever be. Hmm funny how that works, hehe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:34:36 2020 No.6660315 >>6660309 Quite same e-fame there, bucko.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:37:50 2020 No.6660319 File: 80 KB, 1022x1024, 1588685713671.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >posters drop facts about how fucked the scene has become >trannies and mentally ill ppl jump out of the woodwork like clockwork

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:38:03 2020 No.6660320 >>6659332 I wish obvious exploits and sequence breaks counted as glitches. I enjoy seeing people break games to beat them as quickly as possible, but sometimes I just want to see someone beat it fast in the way it was meant to be played

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:38:07 2020 No.6660321

>>6660291
>Games are art
>Speedrunning is a detailed technical analysis of that art
What pretentious faggotry
Games are not art and they're better because of that, though there is some art in any product or craft
Also, even if speedrunning on a meta level involves some analysis of the game mechanics the actual competitive activity is anything but

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:42:38 2020 No.6660331 Do the janitors not know these threads are bait? What the fuck.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:50:02 2020 No.6660346

>>6660321
Then why are you comparing them with an art museum and acting like PLAYING GAMES decently is "ignoring the art"? Stupid faggot. And what do you mean, all decent technical analysis happens on a meta level unless maybe the work completely failed to be engaging on a basic level

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:54:21 2020 No.6660357 >>6660346 Calm down tranny

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:04:11 2020 No.6660385 >>6660357 I'm not the one comparing games to art museums lmfao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:15:11 2020 No.6660425 >>6660385 >What is an analogy? >Literally compared games to art museums Are you the same obssessive autist being laughed off of every other thread? lol I'm not surprised you enjoy and champion speedrunning

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:21:44 2020 No.6660454
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>>6659352
Speed reading a novel doesn't compare very well with speedrunning a game.

It should instead be compared to:
- Memorizing a novel;
- Being able to recite the novel backwards;
- Being able to recite only the novel's vowels or consonants;
- Being able to recite every other word of the novel;

Except speedrunning still makes a little more sense because at least you're doing something the game is supposed to be used for: playing.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:31:22 2020 No.6660486

>>6660454
it seems like some people think that people are speedrunning games from the get-go, like not playing them casually first, this isn't generally the case (it does happen, but only with crappy games or at least games the runner doesn't care about)
most of the time, people speedrun games they've already played to death otherwise, as a means of extracting even more enjoyment out of it

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:31:42 2020 No.6660487

>>6660321
>Games are not art and they're better because of that
It's sort of boring to argue about what is or isn't art, I think what people, at least me, means when we say games are art is that we get something out of it besides a dopamine rush. It's not pretentious to say that. That doesn't say anything about the quality of the art, just that these are works made my people that can make you feel things. Doesn't have to be deep things. They can also be "bad" art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:33:15 2020 No.6660491 >>6660474 lol you really are that autist I'm wasting my time here

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:35:23 2020 No.6660496 >>6660491 Seething

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:36:32 2020 No.6660501

>>6660291
>Speedrunners engage with the work, and very deeply in fact.
They do, but in a misguided way in my opinion. Figuring out how to get through Ocarina of Time in 7 minutes 30 seconds is engagement with the code, it's not engagement with the work on its own terms. It's like the people who don't want to analyze a movie but instead try to see what happens when they play a movie backwards overlapped with it playing forwards, and try to see what frames are superimposed on each other. It's a sort of engagement with the work that is certainly a way of interpreting it, but kind of misses the point. Ocarina of Time is about a lot of things but it isn't about Link jumping from side to side across the world and glitching through walls. That's the way they engaged with the work but the meaning is pretty much reduced to "oh...neat", instead of some exploration of the human condition (outside of humanity's sort of pathological inclination to sometimes bang their head against the wall for hundreds or thousands of hours until they break a record).

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:36:35 2020 No.6660502

>>6660487
not the same person, but i get the idea that speedrunning sidelines anything that isn't just gameplay mechanics, but is there anything wrong with that?
speedrunning a game doesn't mean you don't appreciate those aspects of the game, you're just not focusing on those right now, is the art more important than the mechanics? why can't the mechanics have some time in the limelight?

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:37:28 2020 No.6660510
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>>6659502
28yo here, been NEETing for 2 years.
I recently picked up speedrunning as a way to learn how to learn a skill. Picked my favorite game, which I can replay several times and not get sick of. I have invested maybe 100 hours into it thus far, and I will not strive to get WR or anything. I just want to beat an arbitrary "good time" I picked for myself, and now that I'm 3/4 of the way there, it's starting to get a little harder, less forgiving.

I'm learning a lot about how I behave under frustration when I can't do a trick. How to adapt when I can't do something, but still find a slower route that isn't too bad. Closing the gap in information when there isn't any available. Learning to improve consistency over precision, except in critical points. I'm learning about how burnout can happen even if you enjoy what you're doing. And how quickly unpracticed skills go away. But how quickly they might return once you resume with focus.

I have learned things in the past, of course, but they were mostly passive (school/uni, foreign languages etc.). In order to succeed in my field, I need tangible skills, which are more about doing than absorbing knowledge. So this speedrun is a small-scale project to tickle my sense of exploration so I can apply what I learn to a real craft.

And many speedrunners who are top players have all that it takes for this kind of thing. I honestly believe some just don't give a shit and are contented with a simple life. But some are definitely too autistic to do anything else.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:39:12 2020 No.6660517

>>6660501
is there anything fundamentally wrong with interacting with the game in a purely mechanical manner?
i personally find it absolutely fascinating how tricks are found, how they work technically, and what it takes to pull them off, despite rarely being things that were even intended by the developer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:40:14 2020 No.6660521 File: 1.71 MB, 2560x1707, IMG_0882.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which one would you fug?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:42:09 2020 No.6660530 >>6660521 i'd go for extra symbolic points and fuck that EXIT sign

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:44:45 2020 No.6660535 Speedtranning... was a mistake...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:45:00 2020 No.6660537 >>6660501 That's why it's technical analysis rather than thematic, they are focusing on the game part of the game. Deep meaning comes from your willingness to think deeply about what you're consooming not what you consoom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:46:14 2020 No.6660540 >>6660535 No the internet was

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:46:47 2020 No.6660541 >>6660521 Honestly most of the cis women there. Red Cardigan is a cutie as is the red Pokemon crewneck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:49:20 2020 No.6660551 I enjoy watching games that I grew up with get broken down and completely obliterated. I remember seeing a speed run of Yoshi's Island that blew my mind.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:49:41 2020 No.6660552

>>6660501
the problem with that movie analogy is that the movie is not designed to be used in any other way than normal speed playback on an unmodified player, that is, there is no input, and only one exact intended output
video games are different, they have player input and mechanics that allow for the player to do things in different ways
yes, there will be an average expected route and time taken to complete the game, but the actual route and time taken can change dramatically from player to player, with some opting to seek out only the main story route, and others making sure to turn over every rock
there's no correct way to play a game, at the end of the day, there a start and an end, and a lot of variables in between
if you don't like blatantly going against what was intended, there are glitchless categories, which stick to only mechanics which are intended
i can't imagine anyone would be so narrowminded as to think that going as fast as possible just as a concept is an incorrect way to play a game, there's no incorrect way to play a game

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:50:52 2020 No.6660558 >>6660551 >get to level you had trouble with as a kid >slides through a wall, explodes and completes it in 0.65 seconds ABSOLUTELY CATHARTIC

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:52:15 2020 No.6660563 >>6660540 Nuke Twitch, SRL and GDQ.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:54:24 2020 No.6660576 File: 1.21 MB, 320x240, download.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6660563 >>6660540 >>6660535 >>6660521

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:54:35 2020 No.6660579 >>6660563 Based

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:55:06 2020 No.6660583 File: 13 KB, 233x251, pepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6660521 What went wrong with the world?

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 11:59:49 2020 No.6660601

>>6660552
I agree there is no correct way to play a game but I do think engagements are less meaningful than others. I just don't know what the meaning is of Link hopping across Hyrule in 7 minutes is besides "oh cool". It's like the art of solving a Rubik's cube quickly. If I could read a piece on beating Majora's Mask quickly that demonstrates some grasp of meaning greater than an assessment of its themes of loss, displacement, growing up, etc, then fantastic, maybe I have missed something. But otherwise I just don't see what's there besides "oh cool you did it real fast by finding exploits". It doesn't matter WHAT the game is about or the feelings it makes you feel, Ocarina of a Time could be literally anything, about anything, contain anything, it doesn't matter because it is reduced to mechanically, robotically optimizing a route regardless of what the work says. It doesn't matter what the music is or the visuals depict or narrative is. It's a very narrow focus on one aspect, mechanics, with very little meaning able to be extracted besides "cool!".

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:01:14 2020 No.6660606

>>6660501
Maybe you should stop trying to explain yourself with metaphors, because they suck.
Overlapping a movie with a bunch of nonsense shit is not the same as completing a game, which has a clear goal to be worked around.
Again, let me for the nth time correct your analogy:

Speedrunning a game is like making the "Bee movie but every time someone says Bee it gets faster" video and other variations.
What you are describing is just watching a movie while doing drugs, cause there is no outcome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:02:47 2020 No.6660616 >>6660576 >t. soon to become a part of the 41%

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:04:23 2020 No.6660623

>>6660601
i know what you mean, and that would be a fair thing to say if this was being proposed as something people do /instead/ of playing the game casually
but it's not, this is something extra, or on the side
you argue that the non-mechanical parts of a game are important, and i agree with you, all i'm arguing is that the mechanical parts are important, too
obviously, both together is the intended method of play, but there's nothing wrong with doing something unique with just the mechanics, it is a /game/, after all, not just a book

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:06:27 2020 No.6660629 >>6660576 You can feel disgust for a great number of things without becoming obsessed over them, you know It's only natural

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:09:15 2020 No.6660632

>>6660601
So what you're telling us is you don't care about things that are not purely ""intellectual"". There is no merit in being the best swordsman in the world. No merit in being the fastest runner or swimmer, or having the best memory or being the best chess player?

As long as you realize it is just your opinion, you should be able to see from other people's perspective on why that is not the case for a lot of other people. Heads up: If you can't, that's a textbook symptom of Asperger's.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:09:35 2020 No.6660634

>>6660606
>Speedrunning a game is like making the "Bee movie but every time someone says Bee it gets faster"
that analogy is just as bad as his, since those kinds of videos are completely arbitrary
while there are some arbitrary "joke" categories in speedrunning, generally there is still just the goal of completing the game, the most common category, any%, is literally just "complete the game", no holds barred (well, except actually cheating like with gameshark or modifications, of course)

>>6660629
i'm not sure you got my point, you keep talking about them, they live in your mind

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:09:53 2020 No.6660636

>>6660623
I agree there's nothing wrong with it! I don't judge people for solving a Rubik's cube quickly, or speedrunning a game. I am not better than them for not doing that. For me, it's just not worth the time because it doesn't click for me. I said in my first post I'm primarily interested in games as an artform at this point in my life, though I still do play some for that sweet sweet dopamine release. But yeah, for me because of what I specifically am interested in, speedrunning is like on another planet for me, it's such a different sort of engagement with the medium that I have no interest in. Maybe I would be interested if there was less time investment but for what I'm interested in I can't justify the many hours it takes to do the thing real fast.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:12:14 2020 No.6660648

>>6660632
Those things matter to you if they matter to you! It's tautological but I mean it, meaning is self-defined. I do lots of things that aren't intellectual that are important to me, I try to get good at lots of things that aren't about artistic meaning. For me personally I don't see the time investment in speedrunning to be worth it for the sorts of things I'm interested in life, but that's just my life. I like games for different reasons than optimizing routes via engagement with its mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:13:51 2020 No.6660653 >>6660636 alright, seems you do get the idea no, like anything, speedrunning isn't for everyone, it is different to casual gaming i just wanted to help you understand why it exists

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:17:10 2020 No.6660664 >>6660634 >They live in your mind meme tier argument for dismissing people having an opinion. That's the best you can come up with.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:39:37 2020 No.6660742
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>>6659332
I despise it because it's just guys using glitches and manipulations to skip immense portions of games. They're not speed running the game at all, they're just fuckering around it and getting accolades. It's sickening.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:40:54 2020 No.6660751 I think speed running is just rote memorization desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:41:44 2020 No.6660758 File: 155 KB, 753x756, 1595959205720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6660576 t. freudian retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:42:04 2020 No.6660760 >>6660751 It's worse than that; because they're bypassing most of the content, they're in reality worse players than everyone here, yet they're given "records."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:47:51 2020 No.6660782 >>6660760 Ever heard of "glitchless" categories, nigger?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:50:03 2020 No.6660791 >>6660782 They still skip over stuff in those too, punkass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:50:16 2020 No.6660794 >>6660751 Play RNG heavy games

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:51:05 2020 No.6660797 >>6659332 Speed runners are no talent scam-artists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:55:56 2020 No.6660823 >>6660794 >It's just memorization >Acshually there's luck involved too

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 12:57:11 2020 No.6660834 >>6660823 RNG forces way more on the spot reactions and adjustments

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:06:07 2020 No.6660876

Shit on this site is actually fucking hilarious

Imagine sitting there thinking speedrunning is some kind of pro-establishment front of hired boogeymen that PRETEND theyre good at video games, but here's the kicker they're actually NOT and what they do is take away credit from talented anonymous 4chin hackers on steroids.

Like /v/tards here actually think these people pick up games blind to speedrun them on day 1 and evilly skip their PRECIOUS CONTENT they worked so hard to unlock. you can't make this shit up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:07:30 2020 No.6660883 >>6659332 Pretty Cringe. Speed Running is so Soulless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:09:20 2020 No.6660890 >>6660876 Nobody has claimed that, autist troon Nice strawman

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:09:53 2020 No.6660895 >>6660876 Who is saying this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:16:44 2020 No.6660926 >>6660834 The only competitive strategy is to reset the game until you get the best possible RNG Or memorize all the possibilities and train yourself to react accordingly

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:19:38 2020 No.6660938 >>6660926 Depends on game and how optimized they are. "Memorizing everything" is just learning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:24:45 2020 No.6660969 >>6660890 >>6660895 case in point: >>6660760 And don't try to deny /v/tards hate speedrunning because boogeymen developers actually support them, and GDQ is an evil leftist organization

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:26:17 2020 No.6660974 >>6660938 He's retarded. Prime example of mental gymnastics to justify hating something you don't like because it's done better than you possibly could have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:30:04 2020 No.6660998 >>6660969 This is not /v/ Go back there and discuss it with them seething autist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:32:13 2020 No.6661006 >>6660998 >This is not /v/ You brought it here with your bait thread. Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:32:19 2020 No.6661007 >>6659332 Repulsive in every way

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:33:55 2020 No.6661012
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>>6660974
Nice strawman autist zoomer troomer
>Why don't you like speedrunning
>Well I think it's just rote memorization
>No there's RNG involved too
>You have to memorize the possible outcomes to be competitive
>*Meme tier freudian analysis*

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:39:40 2020 No.6661026 >>6661006 Sorry anon /vr/ hates speedrunning too along with other forms of cringy zoomer entertainment even if /vr/ games are involved No conspiracy theories needed

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:40:52 2020 No.6661031

>>6659671

Aesthetics and art are beside the point of your own argument. Speedrunning is a way to transform a game into a new game. It just adds rules to the original game: Now you have to go as fast as possible, and you have to measure your playing time in such-and-such a way, and maybe also you have to avoid exploiting this or that known glitch, and maybe you also have to finish 100% of the stages, etc. You add those rules and pretend your brain is part of the game console and is forcing you to follow them, and now you have a new game. The new game can have good or bad aesthetic qualities just like the original game could. The player can appreciate these while playing it, or not, just as with the original game.

This transformation does tend to mangle games' stories and pacing, and it also tends to drive players to HEAVILY practice which wears out their ability to enjoy many of the original charming aspects of the game in a normal way. There is that. The transformed game tends to be more of a clunky and abstruse puzzle that, if it had been intentionally designed, would deserve to be called poorly or at least unfairly designed. Should you really have to randomly blunder into some crazy way to charge into this one specific vertex of a mountain in Mario Kart 64 to trick the game into forgetting what lap you're on, in order to succeed at the game? That's not very fun as a puzzle setup, is it? But these transformed games compensate for that kind of unforgiving crap with their deep complexity and their wildness. When speedrunning starts on a game that nobody has speedrun before, a new game is created that NOBODY HAS EVER PLAYED. Any kind of crazy glitch could be in it. You don't know what crazy new techniques you'll end up having to develop! It's a cool mystery. Some people appreciate that in an aesthetic way. Some people find and realize the grace and art that potentially lie within the problem of finding the fastest way to dance along a known path. It's fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:45:21 2020 No.6661052 >>6659332 A bait thread but i'll explain why Because it's filled with the worst of the video game world socially Gays, Trans, Furries and Pedo. And a lot of those are a mix of the 2 into one person And people pay to go to these things and donate

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:58:37 2020 No.6661116

>>6661052
A hobby only fit for obsessive, autistic, attention seeking, validation seeking, mentally ill people is bound to attract precisely that kind of people
I wish I was joking but the speedrunning community is a compelling example of something being deeply wrong with the way young men are maturing in our society today

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:05:25 2020 No.6661147 >>6659332 Trannies, faggots, and cheaters. They're skid marks of vidya.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:11:56 2020 No.6661176 >>6660510 >I recently picked up speedrunning as a way to learn how to learn a skill Playing games fast by breaking them in autistic ways is not a skill. No wonder speedrunners are retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:14:14 2020 No.6661191 >>6661176 He described the skills he's learning directly and indeed that's the exact stuff you need when learning any hobby seriously. If he treats it seriously he can carry it over to more productive activities.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:20:16 2020 No.6661210

>>6661191
I guess, but it's a hard argument to make. I don't imagine there's much to support the idea that there's such thing as a "training" or "gateway" hobby for things like this. Discipline could be earned in other ways. He might also develop habits not for discipline but just for feeding stimulation addiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:20:56 2020 No.6661215 >>6661191 lol there are many better ways to invest hundreds of hours to learn skills. Maybe not for autists and neets though. Imagine doing anything in life seriously and then having to "learn" your hobby at your leisure time seriously too

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:25:25 2020 No.6661238

>>6661210
Its a gateway hobby in the sense that its something he already enjoys doing. Which makes taking it more seriously and building discipline/good practice habits easier. It's how it usually goes, you build those skills doing what you already enjoyed before, hardly anyone just picks up a brand new hobby and goes full autismo grinding and getting good at it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 14:32:01 2020 No.6661273 >>6661215 Hobbyists often do this, it doesn't feel good to stagnate skill wise even if it's a leisure activity

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:09:16 2020 No.6661441

>>6659332
>hey guys I read this book in ten minutes! NOTICE ME!
>hey guys I skipped half the movie and can still summarize the plot! donation link to the left!

At least with TASes you need to have a decent grasp of programming and how a game behaves to find the optimized solution. Speedruns are imperfect shit that by definition will never be better than a TAS.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:23:36 2020 No.6661490

>>6661191
>>6661238
>>6661273
>He described the skills he's learning directly
No, he described learning basic shit a non-autist can learn by working directly in a field instead of vicariously thinking he's learning something via playing games in an autistic way. Not to mention thisfaggotry
>So this speedrun is a small-scale project to tickle my sense of exploration so I can apply what I learn to a real craft.
This is so stupid. This autist would rather waste time in a leisure activity than go directly into a real craft itself, learn what to do, and maybe make mistakes he can learn from so as to get better at them.

This roundabout way of "learning skills" is emblematic of literally mentally defective speedrunners are.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:34:04 2020 No.6661536

>>6661490
There's nothing vicarious about it, it's active learning. Almost everything you'd do to get good at speedrunning like productive self-criticism, identifying problems, breaking down a task into smaller parts for practice, finding good methods and learning from that, making guesses and eliminating fucks up via trial & error, building habits and consistency, managing frustration/motivation, are the things you need to develop in any hobby, and they're more important than any hobby-specific skills because they are universal. It's easy to sit there and say "just pick up a productive hobby" like you're some genius, but people pick up these skills trying to get better at the things they love no matter if they're gamers or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:34:21 2020 No.6661540 For me, it's score.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:38:20 2020 No.6661549 >>6661540 But scoring is just as autistic as speedrunning, if not moreso.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:47:46 2020 No.6661595 i hate that arcus fag that wears the cowboy hat cause i know hes a fucking basedboy appropriating my culture

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:50:38 2020 No.6661617 >>6659438 There are real women who speedrun, like Nylume the Banjo Kazooie runner.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:04:45 2020 No.6661668

>>6660243
Except that ZFG doesnt know nothing about the technical aspects of the glitches he perform, he usually knows superficially why they work, but he isnt the one discovering them, he simply learns the necessary inputs to reproduce them in the game. He isnt as knowledgeable as you paint him, its really a case of mindless mechanical repetition.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:18:33 2020 No.6661735

>>6661595
>vegan cowboy that looks emaciated as if he's about to drop dead at any moment.
I know he was probably driven to that shit by witnessing all the texan fatties around him, but going to the opposite extreme and falling for meme vegetarianism is just as bad.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:19:15 2020 No.6661740

>>6661668
That may be true initially, but he learns quickly how to explain them in detail. Which when you consider the topic here, is pretty wild. A person who just knows about video games, learning how the memory layout works on the N64, and understanding for the most part how mips assembly works. Enough so to explain it to others and come up with discoveries himself. So while he's just repeating the same trick during runs, it's not like he doesn't understand how they work. This is evident when you see the routing development. The experimentation process has basically become the same methodology you would use for normal software exploitation. It's just that the interfaces and goal are different. Spawning an item vs spawning a root shell.
It's still calling function pointers you shouldn't have access to after doing arbitrary memory manipulation in a user controlled manner.

That is to say, it's more involved than just repetition. It's comprehension and progression of everything involved.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:25:43 2020 No.6661779

>>6661668
>mindless mechanical repetition
He still knows a vast amount of variables that make the game tick, which is impressive.
Not even a computer engineer has the kind of total control over how an engine behaves without quantum-computing-tier AI brute forcing exploits. ZFG is no programmer, he speedruns. No need to downplay his skill and knowledge within the extent he needs it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:40:07 2020 No.6661849 >>6659332 all the speed runners are trannies with bad political opinions so no thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:51:29 2020 No.6661905 >>6661849 Goose is a literal proud nazi so not all

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:59:15 2020 No.6661939

>>6661905
Goose is from a time and a community where speedrunning was for forum shitposters, there was no streaming, no virtue signalling and no camera happy attention seekers. Society in general was also less degenerate. That's why Goldeneye, Doom and a few other communities are more based
Still a bunch of autists though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:02:12 2020 No.6661947 >>6661735 Nothing is more satisfying and primal than ripping the the flesh off the bone with your teeth on some good Texas bbq. I dont trust anyone that doesnt like bbq fuck that s○ysucker

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:04:58 2020 No.6661957 >>6661939 OK so you're still for speedrunning games. You just don't like modern streaming culture that exploits speedrunning to make money and gain recognition. Why are you willfully refusing to recognize the actual cancer within the hobby?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:17:06 2020 No.6662012 >>6661957 I'm not. Here's my opinion on the subject >>6661116 It was only a matter of time the people most vulnerable to brainwashing fads flooded the speedrunning scene

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:37:07 2020 No.6662168 >>6660319 .

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:38:30 2020 No.6662176 >>6659332 Nothing but e-celeb drama. I couldn't care less about those trannies. Also fuck you OP, post this shit on le /v/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:40:32 2020 No.6662195 >>6659332 speerunners are fetishists for triggering endings and credit sequences as fast as possible and yes it is caused by a mental disorder

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:09:48 2020 No.6662359 File: 105 KB, 643x960, image0-199.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The only games I casually speedrun for any sort of PRs are Super Metroid and Dead Cells, fucking fite me

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:19:14 2020 No.6662414

>>6659332
Speedrunners are people who want to be competitive at games while also being too bitchmade to actually compete directly against other people and instead competing against "the game". I suppose it's much easier on your head to lose thanks to RNG than because you missed a punish in a fighting game.

I dunno, I respect the pursuit of improvement just for the sake of improvement but a part of me really just thinks they're bitches for not competing in tournaments for other games instead.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:33:37 2020 No.6662498

>>6662414
The same could be said for competing over high scores. With speedrunning though, it feels like there's a lot of games where maybe one or two other people in the world are trying to speedrun that game, so there's not much competition in that case. Again though, similar to getting high scores in a game nobody plays, with the difference being with scores the game was designed around competing that way rather than a self-imposed challenge like speedrunning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:35:04 2020 No.6662512 >>6662498 That said, I'm generally more impressed by somebody winning a tournament in a game where you're playing together head to head.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:35:20 2020 No.6662514 >>6659332 Holy fuck how many drugs did he take look at those pupils. Cosmo used to look nice at least before he turned into that trainwreck

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:35:39 2020 No.6662517 The only acceptable kind of games to speedrun are racing games. And if you speedrun children's games/Nintendy shit you should just kys.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:38:11 2020 No.6662536 >>6662517 >speedrunning racing games >not just improving at Time Trials lmfao. Those weirdos that speedrun Mario Kart are hilarious. There's an option with minimal/no RNG but they choose to play the mode where a lightning can completely screw your PB.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:12:47 2020 No.6662728 Jannies are retards for not purging the thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:18:34 2020 No.6662765 >>6661536 Speedrunning is copying the fastest route and being a grindmonkey All of that shit you claim youre learning is pure cope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:29:00 2020 No.6662819 >>6662728 The jannies are speed runners idiot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:31:00 2020 No.6662827 File: 99 KB, 528x960, 1580055618403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659479 BASED DAILY REMINDER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Ju7nel5cQ

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:35:53 2020 No.6662848 >>6662819 And trannies. And Talmudic.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:38:10 2020 No.6662862

>>6660106
>For example if you dedicate 1hour a day, for 7 years, that's 2555 gaming hours. That's plenty of time to get really damn good at any game. You could set some high speed runs, high scores or do well in most tournaments, probably.

You could also learn an instrument or pick up a sport or read a chunk of classic literature, or learn a new lanugage

Why timesink that much time into the exact same bing bing wahoo game for years and years?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:39:01 2020 No.6662868 >>6662728 The thread has nothing wrong with it >What do you think of the retro speed run scene? It's the answers and the fact that /vr/ universally despises these autist troons that make you seethe and dilate

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:41:37 2020 No.6662874

>>6660286
>your deep-seated feelings of regret of spending your teens playing World of Warcraft

I regret exactly 0% of the time I spent playing WoW growing up desu

But that was an MMO where you interact with people and play with your friends from irl, kinda lame but not as lame as sitting in a room and playing Mario alone for 5+ years

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:41:48 2020 No.6662875 >>6662868 (You)'re just as bad as the rest of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:45:17 2020 No.6662897 >>6659332 Speedrunners are degenerates and often autistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Ju7nel5cQ

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:53:14 2020 No.6662925

>>6660510
Interesting. I had never considered using video game speedrunning in this way. Your approach almost comes off as a form of meditation. The way in which the practice requires accepting oneself and what they can and cannot do, the means by which you learn about your mental abilities, your limits, your adaptations, somehow you've made me realize how speedrunning can actually demonstrate to the dedicated person a more defined picture of the self, and in a way which doesn't color it through social reactions of those around you. Having recently read a very insightful book about the self, the topic of self-definition and self-discovery has been very interesting to me as of late, and your post offered a very insightful realization, that people can come to know themselves in surprising and unexpected ways. Thanks for posting, I thought it was really insightful. Also, it feels good to know that it's not just me that gets burnt out on things they think they enjoy. As somebody who has felt directionless for a long time, finding direction and motivation has been difficult, especially with the low self-confidence that a life that feels pointless will so easily endow. Knowing that other people struggle with it too is really meaningful to me.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:05:28 2020 No.6662978

>>6660510
>as a way to learn how to learn a skill
Good post. I think this is one of the ways gaming has really helped me over the years. Playing a bunch of different games and learning to get good at them helps you learn the skill of learning new skills and mastering new systems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:06:35 2020 No.6662983 >>6662848 >and trannies That's what I was implying speed runner = tranny

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:27:32 2020 No.6663065 >>6661905 honestly being called a nazi today is a compliment

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:01:24 2020 No.6663197 >>6663065 yep, if the left hates you, you're clearly doing something right

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:08:26 2020 No.6663225 File: 126 KB, 600x485, TGFestival2015_We stand with Todd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lads, I miss /srg/.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:28:48 2020 No.6663308

>>6662862
Because games are damn fun and interesting? Way more fun than blowing in a flute? His point is with time management you could get good at many things, let's not pretend games aren't awesome. Even people who 'quit' can't stop thinking and arguing about them

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:43:23 2020 No.6663343 feels like there are more productive ways to invest your time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:45:03 2020 No.6663353 >>6663343 >t. too good for video games on a video game board

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:55:12 2020 No.6663392 >>6661617 True, but apparently they are uncommon enough that GDQ created a women-specific event to showcase them. Or at least to be an outreach program for getting more women in the event.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:06:40 2020 No.6663431 >>6663343 If you can't afford any time with gaming it means you have a serious addiction problem, can't manage your time, and should leave gaming boards in general. For your own good.

>>	Princess Sevenleaf Thu Jul 30 22:14:11 2020 No.6663467 I think speedrunners are pretty cool, one of my girlfriends's other girlfriends is a speedrunner.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:41:13 2020 No.6663558 >>6660791 Then theres 100% speedrun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:47:15 2020 No.6663589 >>6663225 what even happened to it why did it die

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:57:34 2020 No.6663627 >>6659332 it's all bs if it isn't done on original hardware

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:01:36 2020 No.6663640 >>6659332 I think it's as stupid as this dipshits dumb fucking face

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:54:08 2020 No.6664049
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>>6661191
>>6661536
>>6662925
>>6662978
Glad to find people who understand. Anything can be put for good use if you have the right mentality.

https://youtu.be/eABDlkZwXD0?t=6402
Here's a recent WR on SM64. Watch at least from timestamp up until 1:48:30, but you can start at 1:39 if you want to watch the full thing, there is some extra food for thought here and there.
His words about "I would never accomplish anything I put my mind into" got to me the most. I have been struggling to get truly good (up to 13 years) at my craft, which is in the arts, thus not as straight-forward to learn as other fields.
If you go to /ic/ right now you will find 9999 other anons going through the same stagnation, self-hatred, burnout etc.

I have read books on how to learn, I have recently taken a course on it. I have learned the Japanese language all on my own in 3 years without burning out.

So I know how to learn things. But the biggest realization for me, recently was that I don't know how to learn practical skills. Language learning and most of what I learned at school was 95% listening/reading the material, 5% doing stuff.
Art is 95% doing, 5% studying from other people's advice.

So speedrunning is a relatively small, low-stress project to get me out of the procrastination spiral that sent me back into NEETdom, after having deeply reflected on the process of learning. I'm TAKING NOTES. And I'm still learning art on the side, already applying some of the concepts I've picked up.
Mental stamina is probably the most lacking at the moment, so the grinding part of speedrunning and noticing the improvement over short spans of time certainly motivate me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:01:01 2020 No.6664076 All speedrunners are pedophile furries.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:02:35 2020 No.6664084
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>>6661490
Read my post above >>6664049
if you will. But specifically to you:
>he described learning basic shit a non-autist can learn by working directly in a field
I have worked in the industry for 4 years. It's a deadend in terms of gaining skills, you can only sell what you've already got, unless you're put under someone who acts as your mentor. But you won't get such an opportunity being mediocre, so I gotta show my own results before piquing others' interests.

>This autist would rather waste time in a leisure activity than go directly into a real craft itself, learn what to do, and maybe make mistakes he can learn from so as to get better at them.
This game will take me a couple hundred hours. I've sunk THOUSANDS of hours in my craft, mostly inefficiently, so I'm studying how to correct it by shifting my perspective. It's small time investment for testing a concept before applying it to a harder, longer endeavor.

For comparison, I have learned intermediate French in 200 hours over a year and proficient Japanese in 2000 hours over 3 years. You are not thinking long-term, this is just a 2 hour daily time investment. I practice speedrunning for about an hour a day, and I'm 3/4 of the way there, having started 4 months ago. It should be over this year already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:19:40 2020 No.6664347 >>6663589 Just people not posting, they move on, same as any other general.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:29:45 2020 No.6664375

>>6664084
Interesting. The idea of speedrunning being a short-term model for a bigger investment makes good sense. It's a lot like creating a prototype before going for a final product; the latter will take much longer and the former can prob much sooner if you're not going in the right direction. I'd never thought of using a hobby as a model to learn another hobby. I may have to try that out myself. Thanks again for the insight. It gives me faith in /vr/ that even as tourists fly in to barf up their usual Pavlovian responses to an easy hot button topic, that reasonable, interesting, and in-depth posts can still be made on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:45:23 2020 No.6664532 File: 8 KB, 264x191, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not becoming a speedrunner to fuck trannies

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:52:40 2020 No.6665269 >>6663558 They cheat in those too. You can't trust any kind of "speed run."

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:54:14 2020 No.6665281 >>6664532 >not becoming a tranny to fuck speedrunners You're on a totally different level, little guy.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:02:52 2020 No.6665309

>>6664375
It makes no sense you fucking retard. You cant translate your """""discipline"""" in sitting on your ass 10 hours a day playing video games, which is something purely mechanical, to any real meaningful situation that requires a minimum level of abstraction and analytical skills, but yea, Im sure this will go well in your curriculum, lmao.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:06:57 2020 No.6665324 >>6665309 You've never gotten good at any game in your life lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:09:25 2020 No.6665334 >>6663589 everyone moved to discord exclusively

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:21:02 2020 No.6665369

>>6664049
>Japanese in 3 years

Curious what you mean when you feel this is a passive hobby. I feel like the effort of studying flash cards is pretty direct activity, same for reading/speaking and especially holding conversation. Maybe you could tell me more about your methodology?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:27:25 2020 No.6665380

>>6665309
people aren't TAS's, most games require some level of reacting to variables, enemies do different things, physics won't do what you expect, just plain RNG will change how things play out, etc
calling it purely mechanical just tells me you haven't given this a serious look at

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:30:14 2020 No.6665391

>>6665334
If faced with continuing to discuss it on this site, a place that can't go more than 3 posts without spewing the same old comments, then I would leave too.

If anything the anger at speedrunning you see (especially on /v/) is ironic, given the average /v/tard also wastes absurd amounts of time doing the same thing over and over, learning and performing the correct meme think, and posting and reposting the same ideas and concepts without advancement. They criticize speedrunning for doing the same thing over and over; I wonder if they ever look at themselves.

T. Was a /v/irgin for a long time

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:34:35 2020 No.6665406

>>6665369
The bulk was vocab flashcards, with just basic grammar tutorials on the beginning to allow basic comprehension. Other than that, pretty much just reading/watching stuff.

It's active in terms of using your brain and being focused, I agree if that's your take. But it's not active in the sense that all you do is "see input -> give answer" or "read sentence -> understand meaning", you don't apply what you learn into creating anything (only in later stages, but it's still a minuscule amount compared to consumption). At this very moment, you are consuming dozens of times more English than you are outputting by writing your reply to me, and that's the idea about ratio that isn't the same when it comes to playing games or doing art. You have to spend more time getting your hands dirty.

I casually watched many full runs of my game before attempting to run it, so I thought I knew what to do, or at the very least the routes/where each item is.
Fat mistake, my "blind run" was pathetic. It has to be practiced so you can actually memorize things - not perfectly, but enough to not get you lost mid-game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:37:42 2020 No.6665419 >>6660309 >he is still more famous, makes more money, and is more talented than you will ever be LOL

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:08:56 2020 No.6665520

>>6665380
It's not even that, an important ability to improve at games is the ability to identify your weaknesses and use structured practice to get better at them, and also very importantly building consistent habits. You're not going to get far grinding mindlessly, or if you will you'll waste a lot of time. The more analytically you approach getting better the more results you'll have, this applies not just to game strategy but the meta elements. Then if you pick up a different hobby like perhaps art or learning an instrument you'll find that it's fundamentally the same process you're going through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:26:54 2020 No.6665581 >>6665520 sure, there's plenty of learning how to learn, learning discipline, time management, networking with others about routes, tricks, and strats, etc, etc getting good at basically anything requires these general positive skills

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:46:20 2020 No.6665679

Speedrunnning is cool and demonstrates elite-level gameplay...but some tricks just don't.

Like: wrong warps to credits. Out-of-bounds exploits. Programming-related stage skips. Stuff like that.

Arguably, menuing is also not cool - although that's still memorization and hand-eye-coordination.

I love seeing shit like damage boosts, precise frame-perfect near-impossible tricks.

But when most of an any% run is just finding how to warp to a stage/credits, that takes the soul out of mastery of the game mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:51:47 2020 No.6665701 >>6660794 The problem I see here is that runners just repeat and repeat and repeat until they get RNG that favors them.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:58:18 2020 No.6665731

>>6665701
That's cos you're looking at games with few very but very important instances of RNG. There are genres where RNG is so pervasive that resetting every time things don't go your way makes the games impossible to play, such as a bunch of 2D beat 'em ups and roguelite-action games, probably some strategy games too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:59:05 2020 No.6665738 File: 279 KB, 792x925, lee.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659332 The Quake 2 runners are ok. :3

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:05:07 2020 No.6665765 >>6659332 Mentally ill autistic untalented attention whores who demand free charity handouts because they are jobless losers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:18:53 2020 No.6665814 I would really prefer it if you would be quiet

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:22:19 2020 No.6665828 >>6664532 >look mah! i can has teh edgy!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:48:14 2020 No.6666187 It's odd how many people deride the arcade score systems as archaic while they come up with a roundabout method to put them back in everything.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:07:44 2020 No.6666283

I feel two ways about speedruns. First, world record runs for Castlevania and Super Mario are so optimized that it takes an incredible combination of skill and luck to break ground. The histories are interesting, and I think the process is neat.

Second, speedrunning has nothing to do with being good at videogames or having fun with videogames, and as a whole it's a medium for entertaining people during live streams. At the highest level, it's simply pattern recognition, autistic memorization, and rolling RNG until you get the perfect run with exploits. I think TAS runs are super cool because they're about innovating pattern recognition and I think that's helpful for programing games in the first place. The architecture of some games, particularly retro ones, is fascinating. Flip side, I could give a fuck about some dude who tries a boss 10,000 times to get a run one frame rule faster. That attitude is the antithesis of fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:09:07 2020 No.6666286 >>6665679 >menuing is also not cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeidHzAJfRY

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:15:45 2020 No.6666313 >>6664532 The only hot trannies exist in InCase's drawings.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:27:10 2020 No.6666368

>>6659332
I don't do it myself, but for some games it's fun to watch, either because the games have fun mechanics or because of personal nostalgia. soiboy stuff like GDQ has infested the genre with progressive shit however that is just annoying to watch. There are some streamers however that have successfully distanced themselves from GDQ which I do like to watch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:00:45 2020 No.6666596 >>6665828 That wasn't even edgy you fairy.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:19:51 2020 No.6666749

>>6659332

The scene has been on a decline for small runners thanks to Discord

Discord made it so everyone all goes and ganks tech from one place or only watch the same runners instead of checking out the categories and runners on twitch

A few years back the runners helped each other and supported each other more, now people dont even network like they used to, it's all forced interactions from people who want to become streamers and snipe some viewers instead of organic interactions and growth from the love of running the same games

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 15:28:32 2020 No.6666797 >>6659332 gay both literally and figuratively

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:11:59 2020 No.6666996 File: 48 KB, 173x157, phalanxlogo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A necessary evil to keep my favorite games relevant as I age. The nostalgia cycle is moving on from the 16 bit era.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:14:25 2020 No.6667010 >>6659438 Based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:52:02 2020 No.6667217 >>6666666

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:52:47 2020 No.6667223 >>6659332 Stupid and gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:54:34 2020 No.6667236 Neat in concept but for some reason it attracts the most unhinged people imaginable.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 18:42:56 2020 No.6667629

>>6663308
It's also easier to start, actually investing time to learn a new language can be hard, some people don't care for music(yes, there are people, there are even medical conditions for people that are unable to understand or enjoy music at all) or even reading.

But games are fun and as long as i am happy with my life, i don't really feel like cultivating myself is needed just because one feels it makes them more mature rather than actually liking something.

I do read though, and i increasingly read more and more non-fiction, but i don't judge people who do, hell, i am pretty sure i could start reading my collection of Conan stories and still have fun reading them.

As for classic literature, man, too much trauma from teenage years, being forced to read for school just annoyed me, actually, being forced to do anything in school made me like it less, but i just remember various boring classes and discussing classic literature that it still gives me a bad image of it various years later, well, i guess i could read classic literature from other countries, i have never actually read any Russian classic, just hope it's better than some of the last times i tried to read classic literature from other places, Franz Kafka's "The Metamorphosis" was so underwhelming to me it makes me wonder if i just have such awful taste that i can't see what the heck is so good about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:12:33 2020 No.6667840 >>6666313 Very based. Also used to like dmitrys stuff.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:29:49 2020 No.6667979

>>6660286
But games ARE a time waster by design, anon. And you mention the "community" like it's anything you'd want to associate with, filled with pedos and mentally ill people living off government benefits with nothing to lose.
Wasting an amazing amount of time to beat Zniggy in the fastest way humanly possible is all fine and well when viewed in isolation, but you REALLY need to have your shit together to do so and not ruin some aspect of your life for a decade + down the road.
>You spend 4000 hours to learn a language, you connect to another culture in a meaningful level (if Japanese you even get to enjoy JP only games!).
>You spend 4000 hours on electronics and now you can have a decent job PLUS be involved in vidya in a way few can.
>You spend 4000 hours on vidya and all you get is a very brief moment of euphoria, a name on a leaderboard and literal discord trannies ready to stab you in the back for the most stupid reasons known to man.
Play moderately. There are many challenges you can do in gaming for personal satisfaction like 1ccing arcade games and they never take as much time as a stupid speedrun only some tiny clique will truly be able to appreciate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:30:28 2020 No.6667985 >>6665281 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 22:07:23 2020 No.6668757 >>6667236 this applies to anything you can do by yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:11:58 2020 No.6669006 >>6662848 >is homophobic >calls others Talmudic Did you even read the texts you fucking dumbass?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:14:34 2020 No.6669019 This thread is just a bunch of philosophical circljerking. The OP fucking asked about the SCENE, not speedrunning itself. The scene has been absolutely fucking ruined by the woke tranny hugbox culture that has been embraced by it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:19:05 2020 No.6669036 >>6659352 >Since I mostly see video games as an artform You're what's wrong with video games nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:23:31 2020 No.6669064 >>6667979 >learn a professional skill through videogames so you can grow to hate videogames AND regret not having a better, proper job! This crap never works. Ask every burnt out youtube creator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:36:40 2020 No.6669120 >>6666596 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:16:01 2020 No.6669307 >>6666283 What are some good tas videos of retro games?

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:21:38 2020 No.6669325

>>6669036
God I wish. It's like all people are interested in doing is trying to make video game art except it's bad art. Don't be mistaken here, my definition when I said that is really broad. I'd take Doom or Mario 64 over The Last of Us 2 any day of the week, I think they're better games not just mechanically but as art too. Don't be so anti-intellectual and reactionary, I love the medium like I love books and movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:24:49 2020 No.6669336 >>6669019 How is it ruined by that? What's wrong with trannies

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:48:20 2020 No.6669408 >>6669336 They're mentally unstable, a danger to themselves and others, and they try to force people to accept going along with their falsehoods.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 01:47:44 2020 No.6669540 >>6669408 Sounds like your average /vr/ poster

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 01:49:08 2020 No.6669545 >>6669540 yep, this place is heavily infested with your liberal, leftist, tranny and jarpig types unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 01:53:37 2020 No.6669561 >>6669545 I'm glad conservatives don't push any falsehoods

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 01:57:33 2020 No.6669574 >>6669561 the right stands for truth, the left stands for anti-truth.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 02:05:14 2020 No.6669595 [DELETED]

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>>6666283
speedrunning games that are short and action based makes sense, castlevania is a great example.

>>6669574
>right stands for truth
sounds like patriarchy my dude. that same truth would label normal black kids as retards, be careful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 02:13:11 2020 No.6669621 >>6660309 >Hmm funny how that works, hehe. Tranny hands typed this post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 02:55:04 2020 No.6669774 >>6659352 Just make movies your loser oh wait you can't because you have no talent so instead you make "GAMES" without gameplay kys

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:15:59 2020 No.6669838

>>6669774
You sound confused. All games have gameplay. Doom is art, Myst is art. They're both interesting experiences in different ways. I get something different from movies and from books. Life is filled with lots of interesting ways to spend time. I don't know why you're angry

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:20:25 2020 No.6669848 >>6669838 Walking simulators are not games

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:20:56 2020 No.6669852 >>6669848 Okay. What should they be called then?

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 03:23:56 2020 No.6669862

>>6669848
Are you saying Myst and Riven aren't a game...? If the count to you as a walking simulator. It seems really, really boring to argue about what a game is. There should probably be a name for the medium "interactive image you control with a device", as this is distinct from mediums like film or books. What do you think we should call that artform which would include "games" (things with fail states) and the things you apparently hate for some strange reason, the walking simulators

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:37:14 2020 No.6670000 >>6669852 Walking simulators >>6669862 it's not a Walking Simulator if there are puzzles to be solved.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:38:56 2020 No.6670002 >>6669595 If "normal" black kids have IQs that fall within the range that is scientifically described as "retarded", then they are retards. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:42:57 2020 No.6670005

>>6669019
Is there even "a scene" or it's just disjointed communities based upong clusters of games?

I'm pretty familiar with the Castlevania and Silent Hill speedrunning "scene", and while there are some overlaps (cv-platformers like battletoads/etc, sh-horror like RE, etc), they're mostly insular. No overlap between those two I've mentioned for example. The Zelda community is separate from say, the DK community, etc.

And having said that, some communities have a lot of troons, while some don't have a single one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:46:23 2020 No.6670009 >>6666286 Meh. Like the other guy said. It's just like memorizing a book and reciting back a chapter or something. Doesn't really add to the gaming experience at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:48:15 2020 No.6670016 >>6665731 Nah, those games, RNG manipulation becomes a thing then (and just boring to watch and non-gamey).

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 04:49:31 2020 No.6670018
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>>6669595
Oh wow and this happened AFTER they lowered the IQ necessary to be considered legally retarded because far too many blacks hit that mark.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 05:22:10 2020 No.6670080 Cope the thread. I spammed Starcraft while running Track in college. It's nobody's fault but your own if you suck and can't play hard games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 05:30:34 2020 No.6670098 >>6662862 >Thinks reading the Harry Potter of 30 years ago puts him in league with learning a skill >Only free time consists of sleeping

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 05:33:28 2020 No.6670106 >>6659332 toxic and pointless. >>6670018 based

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 05:41:21 2020 No.6670125 >>6669595 >kid is retarded >he's not retarded, he's just black! you're a racist! >everyone else trying really hard not to laugh

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 08:09:07 2020 No.6670450
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The overrepresentation of trans in anti-social game genres is very interesting. They seem to go for the most anti-social types of games because the communities are so fragile and easy to manipulate. And that often includes retro gaming, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 08:10:49 2020 No.6670457 Speedrunning is fucking retarded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM Just a bunch of autistic losers wasting their time on literal shit

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 08:13:58 2020 No.6670465

>>6670450
Asocial. Also you are being wilfully blind, they "go for" those communities because they are the same kinds of people as the average gamer - alienated, weak, socially awkward, romantically unsuccessful, young men that have been portrayed as failed men for decades. A lot of gamers are deeply obsessed with trannies because they a reflection of themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 08:16:47 2020 No.6670470 >>6670465 Ive seen them try to enter more social gaming communities and it doesn't last, the more bros there are the fewer trannies you'll see

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 08:19:46 2020 No.6670478 >>6670470 The more nerdy the social communities are the more trannies you'll see, just look at MMO's

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 10:26:03 2020 No.6670710 >>6669120 Cope & dilate

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 11:25:30 2020 No.6670868 >jannies rather delete off-off-topic posts than the whole off-topic thread based

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 12:34:38 2020 No.6671110

>>6670470
You're also talking about a group that is actively ostracized from much more than just simple hobbies. Ours is a hobby of freaks and geeks, and really only in the last few years has the trans movement had any traction at gaining acceptance, and that's really only in some areas of some countries. The aforementioned freaks and geeks are one of the groups they have been able to be a part of, period.

That's not really an on-topic conversation though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 12:42:55 2020 No.6671147 >>6670018 somehow I'm not surprised that the information in the original post was edited from the original news coverage and court review to better fit a preexisting narrative, guess this is the corrupt left at work per usual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 13:39:11 2020 No.6671343 >>6670080 Track is for incels though.

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>>6671110
>actively ostracized from much more than just simple hobbies.
Demanding others to share in their mental illness, and raging when they don't, is partly why they feel ostracized.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 14:16:35 2020 No.6671434 >>6670450 >tranny with loli poster was this pic made in 2011?

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:01:05 2020 No.6671584

Speed runners play games alone cause they're actually terrible at games and cant deal with the unexpected which is what you get with human opponents. The best speed runners in the world would still get shat on by your average doom deathmatcher or counter strike player. However I did like when Cosmo was competing with that other dude for the keen 4 record. It's too bad he had to become a trannyx probably discord that poisoned his mind and groomed him.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:22:29 2020 No.6671643

>>6659332
Trannies are always spoiled kids from well-to-do families who've never been denied gratification or been given authoritative direction at any point in life. The memic dissemination and popularization of culturally normalized transsexualism is a pathological epidemic inherent to cultures built on Western philosophical concepts and it doesn't appear that it will be solved any time soon.
>>6671360
Wishing you were a cute anime character is a far distance away from actually believing you're one or cutting your dick off to """prove""" it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:31:43 2020 No.6671682 >>6671584 Sounds like cope to me desu, member when cosmo btfo /v/ shitters in smash one by one while high as a kite?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:43:03 2020 No.6671730 >>6671682 only shitters play smash

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:48:33 2020 No.6671746 >>6671730 Reminder: a smashfag btfo'd your speedtranner at a live Nintendo speedrun event.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:50:45 2020 No.6671753 >>6671730 Are you saying you could beat any competent smash player then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 15:55:50 2020 No.6671775 >>6671753 i could beat any competent smash player at any game worth a damn which doesnt include smash obviously. could probably beat them too if i actually bothered to try.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 16:00:07 2020 No.6671792 >>6671775 Weird, so being good at games to you means being slightly less garbage than others at games you're both terrible at and didn't practice in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 16:09:00 2020 No.6671832 The speedrun community is people who can't appreciate what the game is any better than a inexperienced player. That's what makes them a SIMP.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 17:54:17 2020 No.6672146

>>6671775
That's funny. No you couldn't, simply because they have a skillset that carries over, which gives them an advantage over you in terms of hand-eye coordination and short-term memory efficacy.
Of course you still could beat them depending on your skills and the game you're playing, but if all you ever play is turn-based RPGs, they will have a huge edge over you in reaction times, coordination and performance under pressure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 17:58:37 2020 No.6672158 >>6659332 another thing that got ruined when it got popular

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:18:52 2020 No.6673030 File: 90 KB, 500x574, good life decisions.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did you get that quarter of a second off yet son?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:57:49 2020 No.6673163 >>6659332 his eye is pink from too much vidya

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:59:02 2020 No.6673168 >>6673163 His irises are way too open for that lighting too. Drugs.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:59:46 2020 No.6673169

on one hand its cool seeing the intricacies of these games and how they can be pushed. on the other hand i don't like a lot of the people. it seems like they can only play games that way. i once watched a randomizer run of alttp and the runner said he never even played the game normally. just throws out any else the game was intended to offer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:02:25 2020 No.6673176 File: 535 KB, 2728x2128, FUwRlDa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6673168 nope, just onions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:02:29 2020 No.6673178 File: 11 KB, 235x178, 1594302134802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659352 keep seething tranny

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:04:05 2020 No.6673184

>>6659352
extremely poor bait. its funny because i can tell you actually tried to articulate something then you realized you can't connect anything together but you waste your life on 4chan as it is already so here you are with a poor response. tell mom i said hi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:07:07 2020 No.6673190 its full of trannies and stuff... the stupid pronouns before the name it's laughable, it's like a refugee for confused people

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:12:17 2020 No.6673201

>>6673184
I had a pretty good discussion here in this thread because of that post actually. Most people on the board are really, really thick, but it's still worth exchanging ideas because sometimes someone does respond. I don't know why that gets judged as a waste of time while most people here spend every day posting forgettable shit where they learn nothing, communicate nothing, and aren't even funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:37:04 2020 No.6673239 >>6673184 >poor bait >seething and ends his post in an insult seems like the bait worked lad

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:43:18 2020 No.6673259

>>6659332
I have a particular dislike for Narcissa Wright for spamming /v/ with a shitton of threads to artificially generate controversy and views. I appreciate people who upload runs into YouTube like Carcinogen SDA because he teaches you how to get better at a game. Fuck actually watching Twitch though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:18:27 2020 No.6673326 >>6673176 this guy is based and doesnt deserve the hate

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:19:43 2020 No.6673329 >>6673176 after a certain point it goes from funny to just sad like shit dude, this guy needs some fucking help

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:23:58 2020 No.6673340 >>6673190 yea seeing that "he/him" thing was a bit confusing, like this is a video i'm watching, i can see and hear the guy, you don't need to put this is writing

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:28:54 2020 No.6673349 >>6673340 What if the tranny has a really masculine voice, then you trigger him by misgendering him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:32:09 2020 No.6673354 >>6659332 Entertaining. Love getting drunk and watching world record runs with the lads, for example Mario 64 -- probably the best composition of skill and entertainment for watching

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:32:58 2020 No.6673359 >>6673349 he's welcome to call himself whatever he wants, he's not welcome to dictate how i should describe him, though

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:32:59 2020 No.6673360 File: 1.45 MB, 3640x2140, 1544496753596.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6673326 >>6673329 trannys, not even once...

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:37:36 2020 No.6673374

>>6659438
Who cares if we get to watch the output of those "degenerates"? It's like saying porn is bad because women are getting throatfucked and it's bad for their singing voice. I don't care. I'm just jacking off to it for 5 minutes a few times a month. It's funny you self insert as the speedrunner

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:41:02 2020 No.6673381 >>6659352 speedrunning can be considered art. You sound very pseud, after the first sentence there was no need to keep talking, just say you are more interested in your own experiences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:42:05 2020 No.6673385 >>6659352 lmao what a tranny

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:51:36 2020 No.6673407

>>6673176
Why is it so hard for people to believe that someone they don't know personally has hidden mental issues? I've seen people I know go off the deep end way harder than Cosmo did in ways I didn't expect. Also conveniently omitted is that he painted his nails for years, geez, maybe because that's a tell that he was not completely straight cis before he started eating onions, and even if that shit has any cognitive effects he probably ate it for that very reason because he was thinking about transitioning before.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:10:50 2020 No.6673472 [DELETED]

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>>6673407
there's a lot of shit that led to cosmos breakdown.
>the cuckining
>his fans souring attitude toward his content
>female friend committing suicide
>getting his ass kicked live by john numbers

i agree that there were some pre existing issues but with a proper support network and a better attitude cosmo would be in a very different place right now.

for the uninitiated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lesVd6kJC6Q

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:14:23 2020 No.6673483 >>6673381 There's more to discuss about the art found in speedrunning than whatever passes for discussion in this thread, I'll summarize half: "fuckin' trannies"

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:17:47 2020 No.6673491 Why is everyone in this thread deadnaming Narcissa and calling her a "he"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:20:15 2020 No.6673494 File: 203 KB, 424x312, 1462812409029.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6673491 would you prefer we called it a faggot?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:22:20 2020 No.6673497 >>6673494 I don't care really I just don't know why people are going out of their way to do that, is it like a countercultural thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:30:44 2020 No.6673513 >>6673497 I think you came to the wrong board. >>>/lgbt/ >>>/vrpg/ There's where your degenerate kind belong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:30:59 2020 No.6673514 >>6660541 >cis women They’re just called women

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:33:47 2020 No.6673517 >>6660969 You’re the most autistic and angry person ITT

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:37:43 2020 No.6673529 >>6673491 because he's a guy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:38:57 2020 No.6673532 >>6673497 how is it "out of their way" to call a man a man? it's really quite natural, i don't think about it at all

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:42:43 2020 No.6673541

>>6673491
because "narcissa" isnt real and is just a creation of cosmo while he has gone insane. we need to save him from his own personal demons, piece of shit enablers like yourself do not help at all. You think you're being nice and doing the right thing but really your only exacerbating his condition. You're a fucking normie with an opinion like that maybe you should go back to red.dit and get those upboats for your safe/retarded opinions

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:43:50 2020 No.6673545

>>6673472
I forgot about Numbers' incident and his friend dying. But I think a lot of the people who dramatize the tragedy of Narcissa Wright are typical armchair psychologists, probably all straight and think that some unrelated mental illness can make you trans. Maybe in the case of that one serial killer who wore a suit of his mom's skin and her clothes, but I've never seen it as a widespread phenomenon. What is more widespread than these faggots realize is Narcissa's lifestyle: go on the /lgbt/'s trans threads and you'll see Narcissa's act being played all over the place, attention whore troons who sit in /lgbt/ all day posting their bullshit pity parties about how poor and ugly they are. Their problem isn't being trans, it's being a fucking loser.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:44:30 2020 No.6673548 >>6663431 That sounds like every speed runner....

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:51:02 2020 No.6673562 >>6673541 I've spent enough time on the board to know you fuckers don't know anything. Can't even even understand the rules in the sticky, and suddenly y'all are psychologists?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:53:54 2020 No.6673568

>>6673562
the rules arent in the sticky theyre on the rules page retard. thats just some blurb what this board is about its not the official rules. here ya go champ https://www.4channel.org/rules#vr It doesn't take a doctor to see that boy is sick in the head ya fuckin idjut

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:59:10 2020 No.6673580

>>6673568
Autistic as shit about correcting me on the nearly identical wording between the sticky and official rules, completely missed the point about how you're all the literally last people anyone should look to for a barometer on mental health and what constitutes a good life

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:02:33 2020 No.6673585 >>6673580 Doesnt take a chef to tell ya the cake tastes like shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:07:20 2020 No.6673607 File: 86 KB, 1000x738, A4C2E2EC-5987-491E-9404-E0995486AA49.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6673541 >because "narcissa" isnt real and is just a creation of cosmo while he has gone insane

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:12:20 2020 No.6673621 >>6670710 >tfw dilatefag just outed himself as a literal faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:21:19 2020 No.6673646 Jannies are pathetic to let this thread stay up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:25:02 2020 No.6673652 >>6673646 >oy vey shut it down!! I'M LITERALLY SHAKING RN!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:26:23 2020 No.6673654 >>6673652 Most of this thread is NOT RETRO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:26:54 2020 No.6673656 >>6673652 Offtopic garbage doesn't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:33:16 2020 No.6673672 >>6673654 >>6673656 Cry about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:35:27 2020 No.6673676 >>6673672 I ain't shedding any tears, but I'm going to call you a gigantic threadshitting faggot who'd better off laying in a ditch rather than annoying people here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:31:23 2020 No.6673794 >>6673176 >wh*te """people""""

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:35:58 2020 No.6673808 >>6673676 Second

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:46:56 2020 No.6673837 >>6673646 jannies are speed runners, you know the saying "speed runner janny"

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:23:38 2020 No.6674308 >>6673654 lol I thot I was in /vrpg/

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:39:52 2020 No.6674339
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>>6673580
Listen babe, I don't care how fast his world record run was, he's not a woman, men can't become women, it's physically impossible, even those small asian trannies can't do it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 09:53:14 2020 No.6674509 >>6674339 based

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 11:25:47 2020 No.6674774

>>6674339
You realize he said multiple times he's happy being his own thing which is a feminized male who's into girly males. I realize I'm "misgendering" him even right now and he'd probably hate me but if he wants to be a sissy and rejects the idea that every man has to be a patrarchial ultra masculine "provider" type that's fine by me.
It's not like it's ever been biologically possible for every guy to be the role model of masculinity.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 12:23:06 2020 No.6674927

>>6674774
>It's okay to be a hyper feminized male who's into girly males and cross-dresses because not every man is a ultra-masculine Chad
false dichotomy, of course people fall on a spectrum, but he's jumped off the healthy male spectrum and is in crazy-head land with sexual-dysfunction people

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:05:41 2020 No.6675175

>>6674927
You are NOT the moral authority to dictate how people should handle their intimate affairs. An individual with supposedly dysfunctional sex life could be an enterprising CEO providing thousands of opportunities and an immeasurably higher benefit to society than a deadbeat father of 5 violent alcoholics, the supposedly perfect parent.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:25:03 2020 No.6675237

>>6675175
>a person who self-harms and is delusional is excused because they helped a cat out of a tree
be that as it may, that's not the issue, the issue is people around this person are enabling and encouraging a self-delusion, which often leads to self-harm and is itself self-harm

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:29:28 2020 No.6675251
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>>6675175
there's only one moral authority. He sees through your lies and disguises, and abhors homosexual behavior and effeminate men. And there's nothing you can do about it but repent and change.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:32:28 2020 No.6675264 >>6675251 Nu christians are aesthetics obsessed fags that act like 2008 internet atheists Someone had to say it

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:33:01 2020 No.6675267 >>6675251 absolutely based

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:35:52 2020 No.6675275 >>6675251 This. Take the Christpill lads.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:29:50 2020 No.6675439 >>6675175 Stfu groomer

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:35:21 2020 No.6675458 >>6675251 It's a tragedy that the pendulum swung from atheists being the counterculture in Bush's America in the 00s to now Christians being the edgy counterculture. What's it gonna be in another 10 years

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:37:32 2020 No.6675467 >>6675458 Atheistic tech worshipping NRx, screenshot this

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:47:22 2020 No.6675518

>>6675458
Atheism seems to be making a comeback at least online. If Amerifat survives the next ten years without descending to a full dictatorship, we'll probably be right here again with Christfags on the offensive. It's gone back and forth that same way since the 80's.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:52:41 2020 No.6675543

>>6675237
The only delusion there was the notion that Cosmo had the obligation to "successfully" entertain a bunch of horrible people like you who were his fans. That's the actual crux of your problem, you are disappointed he wasn't wholesome enough to appease you and so you made him into a lolcow. Any moral prescriptions you may have after that point are rendered moot because you couldn't simply leave the guy alone without continuously fueling this petty obsession.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:03:47 2020 No.6675586

>>6675543
>The only delusion there was the notion that Cosmo had the obligation to "successfully" entertain a bunch of horrible people like you who were his fans
not that guy but you're wrong and a crybaby, you think youre helping giving junkies more heroin is helping because thats what appeases them, thats what people like you do to cosmo. You're a piece of shit groomer

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:08:05 2020 No.6675603

>>6675175
>>6675543
Nobody is trying to dictate anything or claim moral authority, faggot, stop being dishonest and derailing the discussion into something else
We all have opinions on public figures, both ecelebs and the POTUS
Your own need for validation is showing

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:09:05 2020 No.6675605

>>6675586
The only issue you have with Cosmo are his sexual preferences. Guess what: I'm not for government mandated child brainwashing or telling a grown up how to handle their private parts just because it makes alt-right snowflakes insecure about their sexuality. It's his fucking business asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:11:28 2020 No.6675614 >>6675603 Except you are by getting absolutely assblasted that he doesn't conform to your holy deity of societal gender roles. Why are you so mad he doesn't try to be a heterosexual macho type?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:13:17 2020 No.6675620

>>6675605
no its not the sexual preference is a side effect of his mental illness.

>>6675614
were not mad, we know that narcissa isnt the real cosmo though because we were actually his fans before you trannies got to him and poisoned him with onions its no coincidence he went full retard once he started putting that shit into his body

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:16:40 2020 No.6675636

>>6675620
I'm not a tranny nor do I ever interact with trannies, you moron. It just doesn't make sense to pretend to be an omniscient authority on what constitutes mental illness and an armchair shrink to a person you don't even personally know and ever actually interacted in person. You are obsessed, that's all it is. You are the actual embodiment of mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:17:46 2020 No.6675640 >>6675636 it doesnt take a mechanic to tell you your care is broken down, would you faggot redditors cut it out with your false dichotomies?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:19:51 2020 No.6675647

>>6675620
Please read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction
> Parasocial interaction (PSI) refers to a kind of psychological relationship experienced by an audience in their mediated encounters with performers in the mass media, particularly on television. Viewers or listeners come to consider media personalities as friends, despite having limited interactions with them.
It's crazy that you think fans can really know a person. Everyone talking about Narcissa as if she's their friend and they know who the true person is and all these claims about how their mind has been twisted...get a grip, you lunatic. This is a stranger to you. You don't know their inner life, you're such a consumer and have spent so much time online you actually think these people are in your life and you know truths about their mental health.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:21:51 2020 No.6675650

>>6675640
You just made an analogy equivalent of "this person's life choice of having 1 child instead of 3 equates to another person's toilet being broken". Yes clearly you have the authority to make a verdict there. Tell me more about this "degeneracy" and your alt-right beliefs in general.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:28:02 2020 No.6675683

>>6675650
he doesn't live a healthy lifestyle he has a poor diet, this isn't just >>6675647 what this retard mentions. he makes it painfully obvious in his videos. and you two trannies should go seek some help, cosmo is not a healthy person he abuses drugs as shown in OP picture, he has a terrible diet which has effected his mood and personality and you idiots still refuse to acknowledge that. You faggots are the exact type of people that say how people act on the internet is how the act in real life and there is no seperation of the two. So either your wrong about that and cosmo MIGHT be "okay" we dont really know, or you two shitheads are your typical PC redditor faggots who are always pretending like they know everything especially when you bring up shit like this >>6675647 kek. my analogy had nothing to do with peoples choices it has to do with observation and it doesnt take an expert in the field to make obvious distinctions ya fuckin moron. would you two faggots kindly fuck off back to resetera?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:34:29 2020 No.6675717

>>6675683
You are making ambiguous claims based on cherrypicked trivialities. You don't have an inkling into this person's mind, not even a professional psychiatrist would pretend to without years of therapy, and yet you pretend to know it all based on somebody's public front on the internet. There's more to people you know? Things you can't claim to know, and that's why your quest on passing judgment is a futile one.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:36:32 2020 No.6675727

>>6675683
You know a lot about, again, a literal stranger. You have seen a slice of their life that they have presented online through posting. This is not as healthy or rational statement:
> we know that narcissa isnt the real cosmo though because we were actually his fans before you trannies got to him
What the fuck sort of statement is this? You're making some declaration about a "real" and "fake" personality like you're their goddamn psychologist. "We're REAL fans so we know the REAL Cosmo", is that a healthy perspective to you? Log the fuck off, get ahold of yourself. It's one thing to say they seem troubled or need help, it's another to actually make insane leaps about real and fake personas. Saying "they need help" doesn't take an expert, saying "there is the real Cosmo persona and the fake Narcissa persona" is some fuckin armchair psychologist crap.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:44:03 2020 No.6675747

>>6675614
>I don't think that way of life is healthy and it's very clear he has a lot of mental issues and needs help.
>NOOO YOU CANT THINK THAT YOU DONT HAVE MORAL AUTHORITY YOU DONT HAVE A PSYCH PHD YOU ARE ONLY GETTING ASSBLASTED
Try telling that to people actually trying to help other people who suffer from mental illness like depression. That's exactly what you are doing, getting in the way. Of course we can only speculate on the exact nature of his problems but your denial is part of the problem, not the solution. Nobody needs a Phd to understand a man claiming to be a woman is delusional.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:44:19 2020 No.6675749

>>6675727
Narcissa is a character created in his mind. Just look at the fucking name narcissa, narcissist. It's a character created in his head he acts out like every other tranny, they wouldn't be putting on all these theatrics if it was real. Cosmo has issues and you two fucking ostriches need to pull your heads out of the sand. You two idiots think a life of abusing illegal drugs and pharmaceuticals is ok as long as he seems happy, the sad part is he isnt even happy and you just want to cheer him on while he ruins his life. Honestly just go back to resetera you wont have to deal with any "aLtRiGhT" opinions there

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:46:41 2020 No.6675757 >>6675747 He doesn't even aspire to become a "real woman". Wasn't planning to get the dick surgery as far as I could tell. That's where this exchange started. You're twisting it around to accomodate your absolutist argument.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:49:59 2020 No.6675776
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>>6675749
> Narcissa is a character created in his mind. Just look at the fucking name narcissa, narcissist. It's a character created in his head he acts out like every other tranny, they wouldn't be putting on all these theatrics if it was real.
Better strike gender dysphoria from the DSM-5, we've got a dissenting opinion from this PhD here.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:56:54 2020 No.6675798

>>6675757
>He suffers from depression but it's ok because he's not planning on killing himself

Also even if you are trying to defend his delusion what you just said is already deeply transphobic according to the current narrative
>He's not a real woman because he's not cutting off his dick
Check your cis privilege, terf

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:05:26 2020 No.6675816

All the people feigning concern about trans people's mental health are overly influenced by personal politics instead of medical literature. They are more preoccupied with notions of what a real man or woman is than what leads to the best outcomes for those diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
> We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm.
This will of course be dismissed, again by those who care more about their politics. They'll say this science is compromised, but then offer nothing but rhetoric or personal opinion instead of science. If they do offer their own research, it'll be some one person case study or obscure thing which pales in comparison to this consensus established over decades with dozens of papers from all around the world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:11:35 2020 No.6675831 Where were you when mods stopped giving a fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:12:45 2020 No.6675838 >>6675816 You will never be a woman

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:14:10 2020 No.6675842

>>6675831
They deleted my thread about food/beverage/restaurant scotformers which was on-topic and had a nice post about the refreshing branding of 7 Up's Cool Spot game just because they hated the word scotformer but this thread stays up! It isn't right!

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:18:38 2020 No.6675850 File: 1.45 MB, 3640x2140, 1544496753596.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6675831 they outright deleted my posts from yesterday from this tread, calm down troomer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:23:33 2020 No.6675868 >>6675842 >They deleted my thread about food/beverage/restaurant scotformers >scotformer They deleted your thread because you are an insufferable faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:24:40 2020 No.6675870 >>6675868 If that was against the rules there would only be two or three people left on this board

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:27:50 2020 No.6675880 >>6675870 Then we'd just need to get rid of the last three faggots and we'd have a peaceful board at last.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:44:05 2020 No.6675921 >>6675838 I listen to reason, you're guided by your feelings. That they happen to be bigoted feelings makes it worse, but even if they weren't, it's still informed by your gut instead of data.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:48:29 2020 No.6675937 >>6659332 take this shit to /v/

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:49:03 2020 No.6675938
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>>6675921
>I listen to reason
clearly not, you also clearly don't listen to your chromosomes or bone structure.

its ok though, more real women for me :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:49:33 2020 No.6675939 >>6675921 Denying truth and biology is hardly being reasonable or fact-driven.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:54:16 2020 No.6675958

>>6675776
Lmao trannies and their simps have taken over academics. Papers that you cant even replicate the experiments in are published (look into the replication crisis) while verifiable and repeatable experiments dont get published because muh racism even though it's based on good science well all this leftist bullshit they can never get the same result running the same experiment like how they went after Tomas hudlicky and wont publish his papers despite being verifiable while leftist bullshit gets published and you cant even get the same result twice. You're also a massive faggot and are falling into a logical fallacy known as the appeal to authority. You probably wear a mask out in public too like a good little domesticated human dont you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:56:46 2020 No.6675968 >>6675958 >You probably wear a mask out in public too like a good little domesticated human dont you? And there you have it, "right wing intellectual honesty" on full display

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 17:59:41 2020 No.6675975

>>6675958
Also "appeal to authority" is the most misused meme around. Unless you have the scientific knowledge and run experiments yourself, believing and/or advocating in any data or scientific claim would by your standards be an "appeal to authority" because you need faith in the scientists as you yourself don't have the knowledge or funding to independently verify anything being discussed. The actual fallacy would be using a person's authority in an unrelated field to justify their claims, such as when scientists weigh in on topics outside of their fields of study

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:04:21 2020 No.6675992 >>6675816 Replication crisis

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:05:34 2020 No.6675994 >>6675968 Sorry when you appeal to authority that's a completely logical step to take.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:06:40 2020 No.6675996 >>6675975 Your science is junk and cant be repeated

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:07:04 2020 No.6675997 >>6675994 Let me guess, you defend the police and military while telling the doctors to fuck off?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:08:15 2020 No.6676000 >>6675831 Mods are shills

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:10:02 2020 No.6676005 >>6675996 There are issues with replicability even in fields of hard science, using that as a way to dismiss any compelling findings is the death of inquiry and progress.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:11:42 2020 No.6676009

>>6675997
Lmao the shill doctors can fuck off all day. Plenty of doctors dont agree with the chinese health organizations narrative but they get censored out of existence. I dont really care about police or military they dont concern me. Maybe look into who funds your human ranchers before deciding if their opinion is worth a damn, if they get paid by the government or some corporation it's probably biased as shit in favor of their employers. Here in canada the entire system is junk science because that's how you keep yourself on the government payroll.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:11:50 2020 No.6676010

>>6675996
The reason you think it's just is because of your personal philosophy and politics. Of course you haven't looked at those studies and found problems with their methodology. It's solely because you have strongly held opinions on what a man and woman is and your primary concern is with what you think is the erosion and failing of society, not the mental health of trans people which is all those studies are concerned with.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:13:15 2020 No.6676015

>>6676009
>Plenty of doctors dont agree with the chinese health organizations narrative but they get censored out of existence.
Name some, let's see their achievements, sources of income and political persuasion something tells me it won't be pretty for you

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:14:19 2020 No.6676018 >>6676005 Lmao anything that cant be replicated is automatically bunk.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:17:26 2020 No.6676026

>>6676018
Is every study published by social scientists and medical professionals automatically bunk because they work in a field with a lot of bunk studies that aren't even related to their topics of research? You're using this as an easy way to avoid dealing with inconvenient data, while providing nothing at all of your own

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:17:29 2020 No.6676028

>>6676015
Covid is nowhere near as bad as h1n1 was and we didnt shut society down for that. Their political persuasions transcend the left right paradigm as they are truth seekers. I'm probably talking to a chicom shill right now trying to demoralize the west with this boys can be girls bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:18:59 2020 No.6676034 >>6676028 Hey dumbfuck, I don't recall asking for your opinion I recall asking you for specific names? Where are those truth seekers let's see their names, faces and funders, tell me right now you coward.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:19:25 2020 No.6676037 >>6676026 Social sciences are bullshit. Just a career path for academics that cant do anything productive. John money proved transgenderism was bullshit decades ago inadvertently, he was trying to prove it and ended up doing the opposite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:20:26 2020 No.6676040 >>6676034 Hard to get names when they keep getting scrubbed off the internet you chinese communist bitch. First masks didnt work

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:20:41 2020 No.6676043 >>6676037 Wait, if it's bullshit why are you trusting a psychologist? Did you replicate his studies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:21:45 2020 No.6676047 >>6676040 LOOOL legendary dodge

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:22:17 2020 No.6676049

Now these same "experts" are making them mandatory and its proven they dont do fuck all. You seen the picture of the drywaller who wore a surgical mask? Drywall dust is a lot bigger than viruses. This is all bullshit theatrics to give the state more control over your life. Social credit seekers are all over this like good little domesticated humans they want the government to approve their future vacations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:23:47 2020 No.6676053 >>6676049 How do you feel about federal police kidnapping people exercising their right to protest the government? That's a lot more state control than wearing some masks

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:26:26 2020 No.6676064

>a skill
Lol I've gotten good at a few games as a bar trick(like beating smb1 quickly and getting a good score at galaga) and unless you are like the top guy in a game(and it seems like competition is fierce) that's all it is a parlor trick. Like "hey I know this cool glitch in *insert game*"
I've watched speed runs to find out tricks in some of my favorite games so I guess it is useful.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:28:14 2020 No.6676071

>>6676049
My comparatively leftist country gave everyone who asked $2000/month (program ending in September). Didn't bankrupt the government, not the end of the world, just made sure people weren't evicted or starved when they lost their jobs from Covid. Mask use was mandatory in most cities. No one worried about losing our freedoms, just happily going on with our lives instead of living in a failed state. You'll spend the rest of your life philosophically justifying why it's okay that your government is killing you and and your neighbours.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:33:18 2020 No.6676084

>>6676053
The violent and unreasonable disruption of society by cucked dissidents is not "peaceful protesting". Fucking off to a specially designated corner where they can't bother respectable members of society who are concerned with the survival of civilization, that's the only protest these degenerate cucks are Constitutionally entitled to.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 18:38:29 2020 No.6676096

>>6676084
Why are all of you "small state" cucks so deeply unprincipled and willing to lick the govt's boots as soon as you're given the opportunity? Dipshit, protest IS disruption, you need chaos and the implicit threat of violence otherwise your protests will be impotent displays, like your own little gay parades. Did you complain about HK protesters being disruptive too?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:02:25 2020 No.6676159

>>6676053
The "protestors" federal police are arresting are criminals. Vandalism isnt protest nor is it free speech. Last arrest video I saw was some stupid Karen bitch kicked one of them, that's not a fucking protest thats assault you shithead. How about some fucking honesty. Kidnapping is such a fucking lie lmao. I'm not even american and it's sad to see trump have to send in feds cause your cities are run by idiots. They arent even protesting anything except some made up bullshit. The statistics dont lie but these white antifa twigboys have been so demoralized they think cops are out there stepping on every black dudes neck cause of the propaganda when if they were society would probably be a lot better cause niggers have no impulse control, you know it too like when you say they steal and kill because they are poor and other left wing excuses. That's completely correct, they have no personal agency because they are animals who only react to their environment not capable of forward thinking

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:05:08 2020 No.6676164

>>6676071
Bro I live in the same country putting on a mask is giving up your freedom you fucking muzzled animal. Jesus christ youre stupid and trudeau fucked the economy to hell by giving away all the funny money you just dont see it yet. Debt isnt good i dont know why you fucking communist twats dont understand this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:07:36 2020 No.6676176 >>6676096 You always dirsupt the working and middle class you fucking shitheads never actually target anyone important and when you do it's the most impotent orange man bad shit ever

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:11:31 2020 No.6676187

>>6676164
We wouldn't have to give up our freedom if people weren't baseline retarded, but they are. We wouldn't need laws either if people weren't all nice and considerate, but we had to give up freedom and follow laws to compensate for that deficiency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:12:13 2020 No.6676189 >>6676164 >Our resources are owned by the chinese >Our government is owned by the chinese >Our media is owned by the chinese At LeAsT i HavE mY fReeDom

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:14:17 2020 No.6676195

>>6676159
>The "protestors" federal police are arresting are criminals.
What crimes are they committing? How come the vast majority don't even have a criminal record, and how come in videos you can see them acting completely peacefully and still being "arrested"? How come the feds escalated the situation in Portland to the point of comical absurdity? How come once they withdrew the protests went back to being completely peaceful? How come they gassed the mayor?
>Vandalism isnt protest
Some vandalism is inevitable, are you going to say that the Chinese were justified in shutting down HK protesters because of some vandalism? Bootlicking scum

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:18:18 2020 No.6676208 >>6676176 Like whom? There are protesters gathered around the white house as we speak, and they have targeted police precincts which enforce state power. If they assassinated Trump and other corrupt government officials would you support them?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:21:17 2020 No.6676217

>>6676164
By the same token you are depriving people susceptible to the illness from the freedom to live or be healthy by valuing your menial freedom to be a bit more comfortable outside. All actions are tradeoffs, there is no such thing as perfect freedom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:23:59 2020 No.6676229 >>6676195 Between scum of the earth plebs with laughable dreams or democratically elected, soulless, corporate stooges. The state is the lesser of two evils in this situation.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:24:34 2020 No.6676232

>>6676164
I'm an immunocompromised person and would die if I catch this virus. I would almost certainly be dead if I lived in the States. I wish we lived in a world where people would wear masks because it's the right thing to do the same way I wish we didn't need laws to stop people from speeding, etc. Unfortunately, people are not considerate or kind or smart, so fuck you and your freedom, I want to live.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:28:00 2020 No.6676240

>>6676229
So you're anti HK protests then? Don't hide behind weak "I just want small state" excuses then, when in reality you're unprincipled scum not worthy of the liberal ideology that you ostensibly claim to follow as you'd be the first to spread your ass cheeks and let the monarchy fuck you silly as long as it owned those """disruptive""" original libs

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:28:07 2020 No.6676242 >>6671434 no it has the epic femboy hooters joke theres plenty of crossover with lolicons and trans people

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:39:14 2020 No.6676271 >>6676208 How is trump corrupt? I'm just not seeing it, still going with the Russia thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:40:26 2020 No.6676281 >>6676232 Shut up chinese communist shill. Maybe you shouldn't have got aids from all that butt fuckin

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:44:01 2020 No.6676302 >>6676240 You're talking to two different people but I agree with the one your replying to but the same isnt said about china. That's apples and oranges.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:47:26 2020 No.6676308

>>6676302
Fundamentally the same issue, protesting is a constitutional right even if you personally don't agree with the protesters. Though why would you even disagree? Police mistreatment of blacks and black communities is extremely well documented and long running, you'd need to dismiss all evidence with conspiratorial reasoning to dismiss BLM's concerns.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:01:06 2020 No.6676346
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>>6676232
at what point is it ok to take the mask off?
at what point is it ok to go back to school, church, or the stripclub?
at what point will the dems denounce the riots and stop trying to undermine the constitution?
are people just going to have to tailor their lives for your aids infected commie ass forever?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:16:08 2020 No.6676413 File: 166 KB, 819x1024, 7411A34B-E0C9-4906-B2C2-947A9648E58A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676346 You are literally so stupid that you have to be protected from yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:18:11 2020 No.6676425 >>6676308 BLM is just a communist front any black person that disagrees with them is shouted at until they comply or go away, dont tell us for a second they give a shit about black lives they just want to use them to advance their own agenda.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:22:04 2020 No.6676442 >>6676413 As soon as you put on your muzzle you're going to be wearing it the rest or your life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:22:22 2020 No.6676445 >>6676164 Why the fuck should i stop speeding, your airbags work, don't they?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:22:52 2020 No.6676449

>>6676425
>BLM is just a communist front
They aren't, though there are a lot of communists and anarchists in the movement similar to every other progressive social movement of the past century.
>any black person that disagrees with them is shouted at until they comply or go away
Lol so? They can go be retarded elsewhere, just cuz they're black doesn't mean they're not wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:34:08 2020 No.6676502 >>6676449 your "statistics" for black people being killed en masse by the police are just the feelings you get from watching the news you retard, stop watching the fucking news its turned you into a total fucking idiot.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:42:39 2020 No.6676543

>>6676502
Why the strawman idiot? Getting murdered by police isn't the big concern here because it affects a very small % of the population either way. Regular stops, searches, arrests, harsher penalties for the same crimes/with the same backgrounds, higher rates of conviction and even fucking death sentences with everything else being accounted for are. And what fucking news? There are countless studies and stats from different sources including ones collected by the US government. Do you want some stats, or do you not care because you think blacks are subhuman to begin with

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:43:02 2020 No.6676547 File: 556 KB, 1125x1085, 6ACE1B1F-670B-4EDC-AA7D-6BAB17B62A14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This discussion is all very interesting but what do you think of the retro speed run scene?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 20:57:03 2020 No.6676591

>>6676543
Lmao this sounds like it's right out of that netflix special. When you commit more crime you tend to get arrested more. They dont arrest these people and charge them for murder/assaulting nobody, as for when you guys love to cry about life sentences for a joint it's always some dude with a rap sheet as long as the complete works of Shakespeare way past his three strikes rule. Sure you may find a few cherry picked examples but the system is just as fair to them as anyone else if anything it gives them more chances cause we expect them to fuck up. If I was a public defense attorney my firm's motto would be "we believe in 26th chances"

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:07:39 2020 No.6676628

I feel like a part of the problem is how much speedrunning rewards grinding. Not only does grinding help you get better (which can be said for most competitions) - the grinding gives you more chances at the outcome. So the highest performing in the games are bound to be the loopiest. Now there's some talent, but if you're batshit crazy you can always go to another game that isn't played as much, then you get influence from being the best or among the best at that game.

If you think of the Donkey Kong high scores, it's the same shit - people wasting their lives trying to get a highscore (except a low score here). The ultimate pissing contest.

The thing is that humans, especially us males, can be very dumb when it comes to competition. You could make any sort of shitty ass game involving rocks or... hitting balls in holes or throwing sharp things at a board, and as long as they have competition it keeps people entranced for hours and hours.

This is one reason why I sometimes mistrust online multiplayer games in terms of wholesomeness for the person - is it really something enjoyable or just a pissing contest. Speedrunning sort of takes that to the ultimate level of skullfuckery - make the one player game a competition. But I still like multiplayer games sometimes, it's just that there's something very dangerous about how wrapped up in them you can become - and speedrunning seems to take that to the extreme.

Thanks for reading my blog, I know posts longer than a twitter comment are frowned on here.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:09:05 2020 No.6676631

>>6676591
Is it really hard to believe that the country which enslaved black people in the 19th century and segregated them in the 20th century maybe, possibly has a problem of racism in the police? Have you spent any amount of time online, seeing what people think and might not normally vocally express in-person (but often do)? Would you be remotely surprised that black people aren't treated fairly? Why is this such an outrageous leap? You live in a barbaric country, it has been explicitly barbaric for the majority of its history, you think that ends overnight?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:11:13 2020 No.6676645

>>6676591
There are studies that took all of that into consideration, they looked at perpetrators with the same prior offenses, same socio-economic background, and so on and blacks still had vastly disproportionately harsh prison sentences which also applies to arrests. You've probably heard the stats on weed as well, if you haven't looked up discrepancies between weed arrests and rates of use among blacks/whites. It's cylical as well because it's men who commit these crimes so you end up with fatherless homes and children who are more likely to engage in petty crimes as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:19:37 2020 No.6676660 File: 62 KB, 480x480, 43404806_2111748729138900_6871962057445474304_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676631 >(you) live in a barbaric country meanwhile, in mommy africa.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:20:10 2020 No.6676665
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>>6676645
you cant arrest people for made up crimes idiot, harsher sentences doesn't equal more arrests you people are so fucking dumb. If someone is killed they investigate the murder and the race isn't known at that point they arrest who they believe committed the crime and its unknown what their skin color is, just happens to be that most of the perpetrators end up being black. the richest blacks still commit more violent crime than even the poorest whites so fuck off with your netflix special excuses. these FBI statistics blow your fucking cuck narrative right out of the water retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:21:04 2020 No.6676670 >>6676631 So you have no evidence whatsoever and this is based entirely on your emotions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:22:12 2020 No.6676675 File: 95 KB, 948x676, 1560078062669.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676660

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:26:56 2020 No.6676683 >>6676665 Forget the rest of your irrelevant shit, give me the exact source and page on that statistic you just posted which you got off facebook (lol)

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:27:18 2020 No.6676685 read this guys it's fucking hilarious https://www.amren.com/features/2014/05/confessions-of-a-public-defender/

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:28:21 2020 No.6676689 >>6676683 DOJ

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:29:52 2020 No.6676693 >>6676689 DOJ what? Go on, ask your facebook buddies which document and which page they got this shit from if you have to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:33:58 2020 No.6676697 >>6676693 i dont even have a nosebook account lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:35:40 2020 No.6676702 File: 48 KB, 497x585, bananas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >speedrunning thread somehow degrades into leftist femboy getting BTFO over and over again

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:36:26 2020 No.6676705 >>6676697 Nobody cares about that, where's the source you gullible cowardly mongoloid?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:37:33 2020 No.6676707 File: 498 KB, 1424x1000, 1585254895720.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676683 >>6676693 i believe this is the source https://archive.vn/O3FkJ

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:41:17 2020 No.6676714 File: 28 KB, 464x332, hemadson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676705

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:41:20 2020 No.6676715

>>6676705
Well I have to go dig and find it retard I just save the images i dont book mark everything to prove anything to some retard online in the future. Which I really dont care at this point. I could go find the document it was captured from but you would just find another way to move the goalposts. I'm done here surprised to mods let me go this long lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:42:15 2020 No.6676717 >>6676707 sorry wrong link. still relevant in a way though. https://archive.vn/WfC9T its reddit shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:49:01 2020 No.6676729 >>6676715 There was no document, you fell for a completely falsified image because you are a gullible retard, and you didn't check a single thing, see : >>6676717

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:54:16 2020 No.6676743 >>6676729 i had this shit saved long before trump was ever president. nice source you need to go back

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:54:59 2020 No.6676748

>>6676707
That's interesting actually. It's quite old now, but I wonder how much of that discrepancy comes from drug-related charges (this was when war on drugs related incarcerations were kicking off after all) and whether or not the simple fact that blacks are heavier policed, will have to look through the data

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:56:47 2020 No.6676753

>>6676743
You were a retard back then too unsurprisingly. Next time look up the things you present as fool proof arguments that destroy narratives, because your people fabricate evidence so blatantly and shamelessly that usually all it takes to find out that it's bullshit is just checking the cited source.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:59:36 2020 No.6676761

>>6676748
>heavily policed
Again, if whites committed the same number of crimes there would be way more bodies, stolen/damaged property, raped women/kids that NO ONE EVER NOTICES.

Do you realize how fantastical that hypothesis is?
Isn't it that maybe, just maybe, the race of violent people with a violent culture committ more crimes? Just listen to rap for fuck sake those are their ideals.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:03:58 2020 No.6676775

>>6676761
In some specific cases whites DO commit the same number of crimes for example they smoke as much weed as blacks yet get arrested for it less, I would not be surprised if similar kinds of drug related fuckery was going on which btw make up a pretty large chunk of total US crime. There's nothing fantastical here, it's simple facts

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:04:58 2020 No.6676782 File: 829 KB, 2048x1024, whoops.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676753 This destroys that narrative

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:06:01 2020 No.6676791 >>6676775 what are your sources for such a claim?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:07:41 2020 No.6676795 File: 863 KB, 1224x1584, blacksmorecriminal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676775 >In some specific cases whites DO commit the same number of crimes I can't seem to find any data that suggests this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:09:22 2020 No.6676802 File: 61 KB, 364x574, 2002 drug use.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676791 >>6676795 Here's a particularly egregious example

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:10:33 2020 No.6676806 File: 327 KB, 500x484, blackonwhiterape.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676775 >In some specific cases whites DO commit the same number of crimes Could you point me to these specific cases? I'm trying to keep an open mind on this subject.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:11:47 2020 No.6676813 >>6676802 you dont get arrested if you dont get caught with drugs maybe this has to do with lower intelligence

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:13:38 2020 No.6676818 File: 336 KB, 1168x1444, blackwhitecrime2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676802 All I'm seeing is that whites are much smarter about their drug usage as to not get caught.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:13:54 2020 No.6676819 >>6660742 you do know almost every game thats speedrun has multiple categories and there's almost always a glitchless category and an any% category, right? Like the glitchess runs might use exploits at best but thats it, mate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:14:50 2020 No.6676821 >>6676795 >Color of Crime >A booklet by Jared fucking Taylor LOL I'm sure his data collection method is trustworthy & airtight

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:15:03 2020 No.6676825 File: 533 KB, 616x5370, blackwhitecrime.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What a shit thread. Might as well pour more gasoline on it I guess, too late to save it now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:15:56 2020 No.6676827 >>6676806 >>6676813 >>6676818 Nice cope but doesn't that make whites the more dangerous criminals, and cast doubt on all of your statistics as they would be better at getting away with crimes?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:16:16 2020 No.6676828

>>6661052
To be fair the reason it seems like that is because Awesome games done quick has been pushing these more fringe-y elements for years now in the name of virtue signaling or perhaps just to feel good about themselves. In reality, most people in speedrunning are fine, antisocial sometimes and a majority introverted that much is 100% true but yea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:17:02 2020 No.6676830 File: 1.21 MB, 1497x800, blackcrimemap.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676821 If his data collection method isn't trustworthy or airtight then I'm sure you will be able to debunk it quite easily instead of attacking the person then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:17:54 2020 No.6676834 >>6676825 Nice gish gallop after one of your claims was shown to be a complete lie and you shown to be a moron devoid of critical thinking skill

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:18:05 2020 No.6676835 File: 143 KB, 682x586, blackatlanta.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676775 >In some specific cases whites DO commit the same number of crimes They must be VERY specific cases then

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:18:54 2020 No.6676836

>>6662414
>>6662512
To be fair if you go into slightly lower levels (below top 5 best speedrunners in a game) a lot of practice and runs are done via races where 2+ runners race head to head. A big-ass event of nothing but races with the best SM64 runners was even done last year i think with the goal of beating the WR and thus, everyone else participating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:20:06 2020 No.6676842 >>6676835 factual falcon lmao havent seen him for a while

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:20:07 2020 No.6676843 >>6676830 Same reason you won't debunk every study presented to you on the spot, he has a very strong political and monetary incentive to lie cause he's pushing a white supremacist agenda

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:22:14 2020 No.6676853

>>6665679
Thats why generally when a game-breaking warp is found (like for SM3 or SMW) they make a new category for it and change the current any% to "any% skipless" or whatever since speedrunning a game by fucking with menus is fun once or twice to show off but its fucking soulless to grind for and not fun at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:22:23 2020 No.6676854 >>6676835 Another terrible citation that doesn't link to study or page number but rather a collection of reports of different years. Why are you all such sleazy faggots?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:25:39 2020 No.6676865 File: 886 KB, 500x2812, blackszimbabwe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's all the white peoples fault you guys, srsly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:29:43 2020 No.6676878 >>6676854 You believe men can be women if they take some pills and put on a dress that's the epitome of sleazy faggot. Why are you using the word faggot as a communist? Dont you know that type of language will get you gulagd, faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:30:36 2020 No.6676880 >>6676854 Someones a sleazy faggot because you're too lazy to look through some info?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:30:55 2020 No.6676882 [DELETED]

>dump as many infographics as possible
>never discuss any one study in particular, always dodge and slip away
>if one point gets btfo, pretend it never happened and post something unrelated
This is the mode of operation of the average internet right winger propagandist. It doesn't matter if it's this or holocaust denial. Like a machine built only to parrot talking points, never discuss or think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:32:39 2020 No.6676886 >>6676880 Are you stupid? The purpose of citations is to direct you to relevant information, not to give you a website with dozens of documents, none of which contain what the images claim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:33:32 2020 No.6676887 File: 415 KB, 1278x1012, 5ef.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676882 >this totally happened

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:33:36 2020 No.6676889 >>6676164 Based schizo lib poster

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:34:21 2020 No.6676890 File: 368 KB, 537x536, shrugaxe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676886 >none of which contain what the images claim. They do though. Not my fault you're too lazy to find it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:34:57 2020 No.6676892 >>6676887 Can you show me a historian which uses this as proof? Or are you bringing up a random eye witness testimony and acting like it's the holocaust bible, even if the testimonies are deemed unreliable?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:36:36 2020 No.6676896 >>6676890 I went through all of the documents one by one ctrl+f'ing and none of them have that claim, why are you lying?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:37:52 2020 No.6676905

>>6676880
He didnt even look it up cause the link doesnt even work anymore. Hes a typical leftist lying faggot. I believe the stats were there at one time but not anymore cause I just tried and got an error. He on the other hand just fucking lied about it

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:38:02 2020 No.6676906

>>6676628
Its fine, anon. I dont personally agree since i do believe there is entertainment and catharsis to be found in speedrunning when you succed, do a personal best or even better. It is a lot of grinding, some find it fun while others just want to break the game in twain and make it their bitch. I think it becomes more unhealthy when its someone's "job" since now your just grinding all day every day and streaming all day every day. Its gonna end up hellish after a while if you speedrun a single game but ah well.
Just wanted to reply since this thread kinda generated into schizo libertarian conservatives screaming about trannies and/or masks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:38:19 2020 No.6676910 >>6676887 You have a mental illness my friend. Get help

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:38:33 2020 No.6676913 [DELETED]

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>>6676882
>dump as many infographics as possible
None of which you've refuted.
>never discuss any one study in particular, always dodge and slip away
Because you don't discuss them so there's no back and forth.
>if one point gets btfo, pretend it never happened and post something unrelated
No points have been BTFO, you've just been tossing out insults left and right and having a massive temper tantrum, I think you need to take your HRT and calm down dude. Also everything that has been posted has been related.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:38:57 2020 No.6676915 >>6676905 >too stupid to use google to get to the reports It's true what they say, right wingers do have low IQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:39:54 2020 No.6676920 >>6676896 >why are you lying? Ru-roh looks like you were the one lying: >>6676905

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:40:27 2020 No.6676921 >>6676913 Ok, which one do you want to talk about specifically? Pick one we will talk about those specific claims and only those claims, if you deviate and try to bring up irrelevant shit you're a certified pussy faggot. Sound good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:41:21 2020 No.6676925 >>6676910 You're being really anti semitic rn

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:41:40 2020 No.6676928 >>6676920 Lol >>6676915 Funny how you don't check your own links though innit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:42:22 2020 No.6676931 >>6676915 Link me the archive I wanna look through it myself

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:42:46 2020 No.6676935 Thanks for the infographs, the dude just insulting people and REEing convinced me to have a look at them. If the only response someone can come up with is ad-hominem then they're clearly in the wrong and not worth listening to.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:43:32 2020 No.6676936

>>6659332
To answer the fucking question in the thread, I personally dont like livestreams unless the person is really fucking charismatic and good without scripts (like bob lennon and Joel vinesauce) nor do i like playing the same game for long stretches of time however i really really like Speedrun History videos as they are almost always scripted, well seperated, done by people passionate in the subject and very long. It is the perfect kind of video to put while im doing other shit or want to watch something easy to follow before going to bed. The worst ones dont really analyse much but some are grade-a video essays that anybody can enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:43:38 2020 No.6676937 >>6676931 I'm now supposed to fetch you your own source? You retards are unbelievable, google the link

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:44:16 2020 No.6676939 >>6676921 >Ok, which one do you want to talk about specifically? This one: >>6676835

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:45:36 2020 No.6676946 >>6676937 I did and it said you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:45:43 2020 No.6676947 >>6676939 Sure, let's start with the source. The link's dead, googling brings up what seem to be the same reports, there's a lot of them, which one makes this claim?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:46:47 2020 No.6676951 >>6676946 Name the report/page

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:47:24 2020 No.6676954 >>6676947 I googled them and I can't find anything, do you have a link?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:47:25 2020 No.6676956 File: 777 KB, 1080x2340, Screenshot_20200802-204630_Samsung Internet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676937 Uhhh yeah cause we got nothing here chief.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:48:36 2020 No.6676961 >>6676954 So you can't find your own sources? Why did you present this to me? https://www.atlantapd.org/i-want-to/uniform-crime-reports

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:50:21 2020 No.6676970 >>6676961 Thanks. I just red the report and it says you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:50:59 2020 No.6676972 >>6676956 >phone poster >has to ask the person he's arguing to find his sources for him It's all so tiresome

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:52:22 2020 No.6676976 >>6676970 Epic, have a nice day you fucking cunt.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:55:06 2020 No.6676983
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>One side provides infographics with sources, people consume this info and are now on their side
>Opposition just shouts insults, gives off an insufferable holier than thou stance and autistically screeches, accomplishing nothing

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:55:14 2020 No.6676984 [DELETED]

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>>6676961
Thanks lmao I just opened a random year and month December 2012. And 100% of the homicides had black perpetrators. You didnt find anything my ass, this took me all of 2 seconds lying fucking scumbags. Now I trust random images on the internet a lot more thanks to chinese communist shill faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:58:42 2020 No.6676992 >>6676984 LMAO this is EXACTLY what I was expecting, how much is that 100%? Tell me right now

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:59:44 2020 No.6676996 >>6676984 lol /thread Can we please show some mercy and put this poor thread out of its misery already? Or are speedrunning threads just doomed to shit themselves thanks to the hobbies sizeable trans population?

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:06:45 2020 No.6677016 [DELETED]

>>6676984
Cmon anon, how many perps is that 100%? Note that the race isn't listed, but even if it was this is such a tiny sample size that it could have been a single gang shooting. This is why you have to aggregate, have control variables and do meta analysis otherwise all you're just looking for % no matter the cost.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:13:56 2020 No.6677032

>>6676983
Oh sure, here's some data showing some things I talked about. For starters, straight from the govt, check out this paper on disproportionate sentencing (socioeconomic bg/prior offenses taken into consideration) :
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf

Keep in mind this isn't a single study or data point

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:15:04 2020 No.6677036 >>6676983 Here's the meta analysis I cited for weed use/arrests : http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:19:57 2020 No.6677047 File: 21 KB, 412x362, blacks reduced charges.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676983 Here's another one : https://bja.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh186/files/media/document/PleaBargainingResearchSummary.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:29:06 2020 No.6677068 File: 31 KB, 542x200, incarceration length.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6676983 More on sentence length disparity https://digitalcommons.law.msu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1330&context=facpubs

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:30:41 2020 No.6677070 I dont understand the extreme hate for speedrunning. Many things are ultimately kind of pointless, if they enjoy the competition who cares.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:36:13 2020 No.6677091

It's cool for anyone that has an idea on how games are intended to be played and how broken it can get. If someone watched a speed run of a game without any grasp on how the game was intended to be played, they will just be confused.

I compare it to an unpopular Olympic event, like the biathlon. I certainly don't have an idea on what makes it good or interesting, but I bet someone that has an idea on how it works will appreciate the finer details.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 00:05:00 2020 No.6677171 >>6677047 >>6677068 being sentenced has nothing to do with committing the crime in the first place

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 00:11:30 2020 No.6677193

>>6677171
It's indicative of the attitude the courts have, racial bias isn't so easy to prove. More concretely, it has a long term effect on crime since it deprives communities of their men. Now as far as over-charging severe violent offenses goes I'm not going to shed any tears there, but petty crimes and drug offenses? Locking people up has serious long term damage. The US' prison system is irredeemable garbage as well that's less concerned with reforming criminals and more concerned with scamming taxpayers.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:46:10 2020 No.6677461

>>6677047
>>6677068
so what? ugly people are way more likely to be convicted and serve longer sentences for the same crimes as normal or beautiful people.
http://conference.iza.org/conference_files/TAM2005/tekin_e527.pdf

It's more likely blacks get longer sentences because they are ugly as fuck, stupid as fuck and when talking to law enforcement and judges/lawyers come off as retards.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:54:21 2020 No.6677490
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what matters is blacks are 6% of the population yet commit like 54% of all murders and something like 50% of violent assaults and crimes in general.
They have low impulse control, low IQ, and have no culture besides gang culture, weed smoking, drug abuse, and beating up their women for fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:55:27 2020 No.6677493 >>6677490 edit: black males are 6% of the population, blacks are 12-13%, but it's mostly the males doing the violence and murder

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:03:33 2020 No.6677513

>>6677461
What point do you think you're making? Of course ugly people are discriminated against, not just when it comes to sentencing but also when it comes to general treatment like finding jobs, there are countless studies on how being ugly fucks your life up. That's not even mentioning how much failure on the dating market destroys a person mentally. Surprise surprise, they also commit more crime.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:13:25 2020 No.6677538

>>6677513
first of all, discrimination is multivariable and not consistent enough to be reduced to muh racism or muh white privilege. secondly, these social science studies are usually junk and should be taken with a big grain of salt, often studies that prove the contrary get filtered and memory holed by the academics and the researches reprimanded. https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-twitter-mob-takes-down-an-administrator-at-michigan-state-11593106102
When we look at overall crime statistics the criminality of blacks is nightmare tier and they ruin whatever countries they populate, including their own. Focusing on weed crime instead of their murder and assault rates is missing the forest for the trees. It really says a lot about the woke libtard position when they have to search for bread crumbs instead of addressing the meat of the issue.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:19:29 2020 No.6677552

>>6677538
>first of all, discrimination is multivariable
Yes that's why you isolate it and control for things like socioeconomic class, criminal history, and so on, as the studies I posted did.
>secondly, these social science studies are usually junk
Then why are you using these same studies? What do you think the snippets you're posting are? They are social science, psychology, criminology. The same fields you're impuning, you're at the same time using to prove your points. It's fucking stupid and inconsistent.
>Focusing on weed crime instead of their murder and assault rates is missing the forest for the trees.
No that's fucking retarded, petty crimes and drug related offenses make up something like 40% of crimes if not more, that's nearly half of the prison population. Most people also don't commit crimes just because they want to on a whim, they commit crimes because it's materially or socially beneficial to do so, all of this has concrete reasons that can be examined and addressed. Otherwise what, you think it's just the warrior gene?

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:28:49 2020 No.6677572

>>6677552
>Yes that's why you isolate it and control for things like socioeconomic class, criminal history, and so on, as the studies I posted did.
you can't control for a psychological disposition that is basically undetectable lol

>Then why are you using these same studies? What do you think the snippets you're posting are? They are social science, psychology, criminology.
The wsj article I linked shows how the field is biased. I don't trust those weed studies at all. I do trust overall crime stats that happen to be the same in every western and european country as well. Black males are the most violent and murderous sub-group.

>Most people also don't commit crimes just because they want to on a whim, they commit crimes because it's materially or socially beneficial to do so,
The violence and murder we see blacks commit is not to feed their family (they abandoned their wives and kids at a rate of 75%). The murder, rape, and assault they commit is gang related, which is voluntary, for selfish reasons, and they are 100% responsible for it. And frankly they deserve harsher sentences and probably segregation at this point.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:49:41 2020 No.6677647

>>6677572
>you can't control for a psychological disposition that is basically undetectable lol
Sounds a whole lot like magic. Are you talking about racism or what? The psychological disposition isn't relevant, if you discriminate disproportionately against blacks because they're ugly and sound stupid rather than real concrete reasons that should factor into sentences, then you're still disproportionately discriminating against blacks.
>I do trust overall crime stats that happen to be the same in every western and european country as well.
A lot of them use the same crime stats that will be cited in the studies you cite, the studies themselves are solid and the evidence continues piling up at some point you have to actually try to take the next step and address these issues, which BLM is doing.
>The violence and murder we see blacks commit is not to feed their family (they abandoned their wives and kids at a rate of 75%)
>The murder, rape, and assault they commit is gang related
Firstly, 70% is the rate of out of wedlock births not abandonment. Secondly, you'll notice that the war on drugs decimated black families like nothing else and they have still not recovered. Lastly, what the fuck do you think gangs are? They are a way to make money that people resort to when other solid opportunities are lacking. No one with a stable family and job just wakes up and decides to join a gang one day, unless they grew up in close proximity and are already deeply involved in the culture.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:27:35 2020 No.6677762

>>6677647
>if you discriminate disproportionately against blacks because...because
that's the issue, you can't control for the "because" in this case because you can't read a judge's hidden intentions. You're projecting an ideological point onto these statistics, you aren't controlling for it just because you account for education/class/income/whatever. Like how feminists thought the wage-gap is due to male chauvanism and discrimination, when it's actually due totally normal and non-discriminatory reasons based on women's work and life preferences.

>A lot of them use the same crime stats that will be cited in the studies you cite,
academic bias leans very left right now, so how they explain those statistics and make their interpretation is the big issue. That's why the Chinese scholar and his team got reprimanded, no one argued the details of his study, they just didn't like his conclusion so forced him out. The field is poisoned by a leftist victimhood narrative.

>Firstly, 70% is the rate of out of wedlock births not abandonment.
It is when those women inevitably become single-mothers and go on welfare to support their kids at much higher rates than other groups. Being the child of a single-mother is one of the highest predictors of future criminality. In the 1920s blacks had much stronger nuclear families and less criminality. But in the 60s as they became more emancipated and the liberal welfare state expanded things took a downturn. The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.
ironically the women's rights movement also put downward pressure on blacks, by increasing employment competition, especially from white women, in many areas which skilled black men had used to maintain their family structure, in the midst of the rise of the cost of living.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 04:17:26 2020 No.6677909

>>6677762
A judge's intentions don't matter, if they're discriminating based on characteristics highly associated with race, ones which should not directly affect the length of a sentence then they are racist. The judge's exact thought process isn't important, however dismissing such a likely explanation is desperate reaching.
>academic bias leans very left right now
So what? You use this as a means to dismiss anything you don't like, effectively doing the same exact thing you're condemning leftist academics for. I don't support what happened to Stephen Hsu but those things will happen as the political climate gets heated and when you touch on very sensitive issues, for what it's worth he's been writing in racial genetic differences for decades, I recall him being a common citation on Alt Hype's blog, so it's not like freedom of inquiry is non existent.
>But in the 60s as they became more emancipated and the liberal welfare state expanded things took a downturn.
The downturn of the black family also heavily coincided with the rise of the war on drugs as male incarceration rates skyrocketed, a lot of other factors are also directly related to drugs such as gang violence and so on. Welfare does come with a set of bad incentives though you are right about that, which is why a replacement like UBI would be beneficial. Beyond that, what's your point? Blacks aren't incapable of work, they don't need segregation to be able to work, and they're not incapable of keeping families.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 04:46:39 2020 No.6677998 men and women shouldn't compete in the same leagues and tournaments, it's not fair for girls. and letting trannies compete against girls is also unfair.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 04:59:19 2020 No.6678027 [DELETED]

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>>6659352
>It sort of represents a side of the medium I have no interest in, like maximizing mastery over mechanics. Since I mostly see video games as an artform, it impresses me about as much as speed readers of a novel. It's cool, I guess, but yeah getting really good at a game has nothing to do with why I like games, so good for them but it's almost unrelated to what the medium means to me.

You have to understand speedrunners suck at games, that's why they flock to static memorizers, where anyone with 0 talent and 5000hours of time can become a world champion.
0 talent and 5000hours of grinding practice won't cut it in anything that takes dynamic skill, reading opponents and quick adaptive IQ. Fighting games, FPS, RTS? FORGET ABOUT IT.

Getting good at competitive games where money, excitement and fame are involved makes sense. It feels great to overcome competition, make money off it, and build up a name for yourself. I have no issue with competitive FGC tournaments, tons of hilarious, lucrative and amazing things have happened for those guys. But speedrunning ain't there, and probably never will be. It's a waste of time. Just like guys who've been in the FGC for 10+ years and never gotten top 10 in a tournament, it's time to give up the dream to go pro.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 05:09:13 2020 No.6678069 [DELETED]

>>6677909
>which is why a replacement like UBI would be beneficial
UBI is welfare on steroids, giving blacks more welfare would only increase their illegitimacy rates, give them less incentive to procure work, give them less incentive to maintain stable families, give kids less incentive to finish school, and give them power to consume frivolously and live like parasites, which is the main problem at hand.
blacks aren't committing crimes because they're hungry, they commit crimes because they want more sneakers, more weed and alcohol, shinier rims, shinier jewellery, and more street cred among their gangs and delinquent friends.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 05:36:16 2020 No.6678159

>>6678069
Unlike welfare, an adequately implemented UBI does not incentivize continued unemployment, and does not discourage marriage. A job with UBI increases your income instead of crushing you with a loss of your social benefits. Economic security is correlated with lower birth rates across the board so if you want blacks to pump out less kids that is an avenue to pursue. Almost everybody in our society commits crime because of a sense of deprivation rather than because they are starving strictly speaking, uplifting black communities and giving them a sense of stability will reduce that. You keep acting like blacks are fundamentally incompatible with work, they aren't.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 05:42:37 2020 No.6678181

>>6678159
>Unlike welfare, an adequately implemented UBI does not incentivize continued unemployment, and does not discourage marriage. A job with UBI increases your income instead of crushing you with a loss of your social benefits.
You're ignoring the cultural framework the UBI enters. Give chinese immigrant families UBI and they will open their own businesses and work 18hours a day. Give a bunch of dumb niggers UBI and they'll drop outta school, go buy more sneakers at wall-mart and think of ways to steal their neighbors UBI.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 05:47:07 2020 No.6678194 >>6678181 That's fine, give them a switch and watch eugenics at work

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 06:00:26 2020 No.6678246

nigerian immigrants are blacker than our blacks, yet are the most successful immigrant group, with $62,351 median salary and 61% of 25+ year olds hold a graduate degree. Being black isn't holding anyone back, whatever systemic racism exists is negligible and irrelevant.

The problem is culture and familial. Blacks don't need UBI or police reform, they need fathers and mothers who will discipline them , make them value marriage and work, and push them to be responsible.
You can't legislate good fathers. Even if you let all the criminals out of jail and give them UBI they're already mentally screwed up. This is a problem blacks have to solve for themselves, best thing to do is step out of their way, ignore them, leave them to their own devices. Cutting welfare would be a good start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 06:57:37 2020 No.6678421 >>6676413 >go away virus, we're sick of your shit! >lol no literally who was he fed up with? the virus itself? does he think it gives a shit? like you can stand up to a fucking virus?

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 08:33:40 2020 No.6678649

>>6677909
Yea imma be honest the other anon seems to be arguing in bad faith or atleast coming up to conclusions that suit his pov rather than trying to be objective. Anybody who thinks social sciences is bs dosent really know what theyre talking about to begin with. Academia is absolutely bonkers atm that much i can agree with but as a social worker i can really appreciate when social scientists do hard work for these studies and people like Aydin Paladin just help to get a good view at what social sciences are concretely.
Also completely agree that while i suppooooose some destruction of families came from more people in the workforce, i do think a majority of the initial blame can be put on the war on drugs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 09:55:04 2020 No.6678830 >this pile of shit actually made it to 500 replies wtf is wrong with this board?

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 10:18:27 2020 No.6678883
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>>6678649
>Anybody who thinks social sciences is bs dosent really know what theyre talking about to begin with.
You are simply uninformed. The other anon is totally right to be skeptical, not only because of academic bias but because social science has a reproduciblity crisis, and reproducibility is a fundamental criteria for sound science.

>"The replication crisis (or replicability crisis or reproducibility crisis) is, as of 2020, an ongoing methodological crisis in which it has been found that many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to replicate or reproduce. The replication crisis affects the social sciences and medicine most severely.

>>6678246
This is correct.
Read Thomas Sowell. He does a great job busting liberal race and gender myths.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 10:19:34 2020 No.6678890 >>6676702 this is what happens when jannies ignore reports.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 10:20:21 2020 No.6678891 File: 456 KB, 640x884, EefGFasWsAAsvvw.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6678883 /pol/ wins again >>6665738 >fps speedrunning some games translate well to speedrunning, most don't because they weren't designed to be played like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 7 18:49:57 2020 No.6678891,1 best thread in vr history

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