/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6654635]

Why do people praise this piece of shit?
>UHH IT WAS THE FIRST SURVIVAL HORROR TITLE
wrong, it was not

[Anonymous No.6654708]

>>6654635
Name a survival horror game that came before it zoomer

[Anonymous No.6654715]

>>6654708
sweet home?

[Anonymous No.6654720]

>>6654708
Project Firestart

[Anonymous No.6654734]

>>6654635
even if it was the first "survival horror" game that doesn't change the fact that this game straight up blows ass

[Anonymous No.6654750]

Shiryou Sensen / War of the Dead predates them all.

[Anonymous No.6654756]

>>6654750
That’s an rpg and a very poor one at that. Besides, Haunted House is older anyway

[Anonymous No.6654761]

>>6654750
Is not that an Action RPG game, though?

[Anonymous No.6654778]

Wasn't it one of the first games to use polygons for humanoid characters?
Earlier games used polygons for vehicles and the like. Combining polygons with changing camera angles also seems unusual. It's hard to deny it was a big influence on Biohazard.

[Anonymous No.6654791]

>>6654778
I mean sure it was an influence on it, but that doesn’t mean it was good.

[Anonymous No.6654801]

>>6654635
>Why do zoomeis like me strawman
mental issues

[Anonymous No.6654815]

>>6654734
Thanks for your worthless opinion.

[Anonymous No.6654820]

>>6654756
Survival RPG, you goal post moving cunt

[Anonymous No.6654829]

>>6654820
It’s still not survival horror

[Anonymous No.6654845]

>>6654829
It is you stupid cunt. Piss off.

[Anonymous No.6654849]

>>6654829
Get filtered you insufferable faggot.

[Anonymous No.6654856]

>>6654845
>>6654849
Even if it is survival horror like you claim, it doesn’t matter like I said because Haunted House is older and survival horror

[Anonymous No.6654864]

>>6654845
There's not Really any traditional survival elements, and the aesthetics are so goofy even at six I wasn't scared of this shit

[Anonymous No.6654896]

>>6654864
Yeah right, because you played an obscure all japanese game never released outside of Japan at six, you lying little piece of assfudge. Walk into a tablesaw you waste of oxygen. Cunt.

[Anonymous No.6654906]

>>6654864
Fucker.

[Anonymous No.6654908]

>>6654715
rpg

[Anonymous No.6654909]

>>6654896
What game are you talking about? AitD is French made and came out everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6654917]

>>6654906
No u

[Anonymous No.6654925]

>>6654909
Read my post you useless cunt. It was about War of the Dead. You imbecile.

[Anonymous No.6654930]

>>6654917
[spoiler[Eat shit.[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.6654937]

>>6654925
Oh, sorry, didn't realize, so sorry for the misinformation.

Didn't play WotD till i was 7 on my uncles PC88

[Anonymous No.6654939]

>>6654930
No u

[Anonymous No.6654953]

>>6654635
>THE FIRST SURVIVAL HORROR TITLE
Nope.
>first 2.5D survival horror title that was copied by dozens of other survival horror and puzzle adventure games
Yep.
>the best survival horror title ever made
Yep.

[Anonymous No.6655037]

>>6654953
>best survival horror
Stop being a contrarian, that’s not REmake

[Anonymous No.6655045]

>>6654635
War of the Dead

[Anonymous No.6655053]

>>6655045
Haunted House is older

[Anonymous No.6655061]

>>6655053
War of the Dead?

[Anonymous No.6655064]

>>6654953
>best survival horror
It might be the best alone in the dark game and that's probably the best thing you could stay about it
Shit the pirate one is probably better just because it's so fucking stupid that it becomes pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.6655079]

>>6654953
>best survival horror
Nothing about survival horror is good

[Anonymous No.6655094]

>>6655037
>REmake
Good graphics, same shallow puzzles and story, same tranny fanbase.

[Anonymous No.6655107]

>>6655094
This

[Anonymous No.6655157]

>>6655061
Haunted House came out in 82

[Anonymous No.6655160]

>>6655094
>>6655107
>tranny
Go back to /v/ kids if you want to complain about trannies all day

[Anonymous No.6655190]

>>6655160
nobody complained about the trannies though

[Anonymous No.6655194]

>>6655157
War of the Dead?!

[Anonymous No.6655202]

>>6655094
The good, the bad and the ugly

[Anonymous No.6655204]

>>6655160
rent-free

[Anonymous No.6655205]

>>6655160
Driving away trannies is a human right and should be practiced everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6655221]

>>6655204
>>6655205
Go back underage

[Anonymous No.6655224]

>>6654635
>Why do people praise this piece of shit?
Why are you such a faggot, OP?

[Anonymous No.6655256]

>>6654635
It was the first in its genre to be executed in with tank controls, inventory lock and key puzzles and progression, object pushing, prerendered backdrops + polygonal models and attacks aimed straight, up, or down from a standing position. You don't have to like it but don't be a contrarian dickhead just for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.6655261]

Does it get better after the initial phase of the game?

[Anonymous No.6655287]

>>6655256
>prerendered backdrops
50% correct. They are drawn by hand over rough renderings of the room - to get the perspective right.

[Anonymous No.6655295]

>>6655287
It's still prerendered by the game's engine as a static image. You know what I mean you failed, contrarian hairsplitting piece of fuck.

[Pablo Escobar No.6655302]

>>6655045
>>6655053
>>6655061
>>6655157
>>6655194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxO3Sb0kRcI
sorry, this sounded familiar

[Anonymous No.6655316]

>>6655295
re-read my comment.

the backgrounds were initially rendered as rough versions in a 3D tool to get the perspective right. An artist then drew over this renderings in a 2D paint program.

You little useless shitstain.

[Anonymous No.6655332]

>>6655261
It starts slow but things really start to pick up when you quit the game and do anything else

[Anonymous No.6655349]

>>6655295
You sound clueless and desperate

[Anonymous No.6655358]

>>6655316
Yeah, and RE also has an invisible or basic polygonal backbone for the sake of the game's logic/perspective and models moving correctly, big whoop. The game's background assets are still largely 99% 2D and prerendered by the engine to make it look decent at a huge discount system resources. That was the point I was trying to make.

[Anonymous No.6655372]

>>6655358
You're still not getting it you imbecile

[Anonymous No.6655383]

>>6655372
How the fuck am I not getting it, literally? So okay, it has a flat shaded or simple wireframe/polygonal backdrop that takes nothing to render, but it still has a bunch of 2D assets over it delivering to the end user the impression of a much more detailed and complicated render than what's actually going on. What am I fucking, literally, goddamn missing? It's the same concept used in RE.

[Anonymous No.6655409]

>>6655383
We are solely talking about the creation process, not how the backgrounds are integrated into the game logic.

[Anonymous No.6655418]

>>6655349
Well I wasn't, you goddamn retard.

[Anonymous No.6655430]

>>6655409
Rendered, drawn, whatever the fuck. The end result was still crunched out in 2D and not in engine in a series of static camera angles to deliver the setting. I was merely saying its approach solidified survival horror as people knew it in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.6655445]

>>6655430
Holy fucking shit you retard, I'm out

[Anonymous No.6655465]

>>6655445
Yeah, get the fuck out. It doesn't matter how it was rendered beforehand, but it was still prerendered. Suck my dick.

[Anonymous No.6655494]

>>6655287
>>6655295
>>6655302
>>6655316
>>6655332
>>6655349
>>6655358
>>6655372
>>6655383
>>6655409
>>6655418
>>6655430
>>6655445
>>6655465
Wow this is like Goku vs Superman but retarded

[Anonymous No.6655505]

>>6655445
>>6655465
You are both colossal faggots. Take this shit to either >>>/bant/ or >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.6655556]

Does the game get crazier as it goes on or does it just stay the same?

[Anonymous No.6655572]

>>6655556
The first one gets a little weirder toward the end but the sequels are full on fucking bizarre and not in a cosmic horror kind of a way and more of a "I cant believe this is real" kind of a way. So unabashedly corny, it sorta rules

[Anonymous No.6655589]

>>6655572
>unabashedly corny
It's a french series after all

[Anonymous No.6655618]

>>6655572
Does that apply to the PS1 game? It looked like it just wanted to be Resident Evil. They even doubled down on the slutty female protag thing by making her pants look painted on.

[Anonymous No.6655716]

>>6655618
New Nightmare on PC/DC was impressive in how it rendered shadows over the prerenders with invisible geometry so that they'd convincingly cast over objects in the scene. It beat REmake to the punch on that, and on shittier hardware. Game kinda sucks, but that's the usual difference between RE and AITD.

[Anonymous No.6655867]

>>6654909
>AitD is French made
Which explains why the copy I got off the bbs was in French. One mystery off the list.

[Anonymous No.6655936]

>>6655716
>some poor sap had to waste months creating those proxy geo / shadow catchers
...and the game still sucked

[Anonymous No.6655965]

The PS1 game's actually really good as a horror title. It only derails a little by the end as it becomes too easy. I think that's a problem with most of these Survival Horror games though. The mansion section is perfectly designed

[Anonymous No.6656013]

>>6654720
Only potential answer, but Project Firestart is more of just an adventure horror game.

[Anonymous No.6656037]

>>6655716
>Game kinda sucks, but that's the usual difference between RE and AITD.

Original AITD > Original RE

[Anonymous No.6656093]

>>6656037
I really enjoy the atmosphere and it's a "want to like it" kinda game for me for sure, but come on now... RE just plays better. Europeans just can't hang with the Japanese when it comes to any sort of action gameplay.

[Anonymous No.6656103]

>>6654635
It can be a pioneer of the genre absolutely, but RE1 takes an absolute steaming shit on AIND.

[Anonymous No.6656115]

>>6656093
>Europeans just can't hang with the Japanese when it comes to any sort of action gameplay.
All the good western action games are on PC for some reason. For some reason console games end up getting neutered hard. I wonder if it has to do with play testers or suits. Both are retards who completely shit up everything they touch in the west.

[Anonymous No.6656135]

>>6656093
>RE just plays better. Europeans just can't hang with the Japanese when it comes to any sort of action gameplay.

Not even European, but that's partly why Alone in the Dark is a better survival horror, it's focused less on action.

[Anonymous No.6656140]

>>6656115
>all the good western action games
Yes, idtech, Build, and Unreal games are exceptionally fantastic but uh, what other ones?

[Anonymous No.6657406]

Anon speaks the truth but gets hate as usual

[Anonymous No.6657509]

>GOOD AND INFLUENT THING IS BAD, AGREE WITH ME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.6657519]

>>6654908
So?

[Anonymous No.6657554]

>>6657509
It’s influential, not good

[Anonymous No.6658495]

>>6656140
Diablo and all it's clones.

[Anonymous No.6659667]

>>6654708

[Anonymous No.6659698]

>>6657554
It's good

[Anonymous No.6659705]

>>6654708
Everyone else is wrong. This is without a doubt the original survival horror.

[Anonymous No.6660034]

>>6654635
>wrong, it was not

It was the first game to come up with the technique of using 3D models within 2D pre-rendered backgrounds.

You know, a technique that was used in the industry for more than a decade and which games like Final FUCKING Fantasy VII use.

[Anonymous No.6660060]

>>6660034
Not to mention, while horror games based on survival did exist before, it was never to such an extent and with such an amount of defined gameplay mechanics, style and tropes that they became influencial and standar afterwards.

So yeah, it's like saying Super Mario Bros wasn't the first platformer. Sure you're going to find other 2D games before where the player can jump. That's about it.

Genre defining works in a way that, by definition, the edges of a genre is always blurry and prone to opinion; but there is a point where if you pretend and try to stretch those edges too much you're stepping out of the genre entirely.
It only flies by for some people exactly because A) like I said the limits of where a sub-sub-sub genre starts or ends is prone to opinion to some extent and B) some people just suck at genre defining because, unlike with movies or books, it actually takes to think about it.
In fact "Survival Horror" is the prime example of that as once the name was established, every game and their mother was called like that such as House of the Dead.

P.S: AitD2 isn't a survival horror. There is no horror theme, and there isn't a single survival gameplay element. It's pure on action with bits of adventure, using the engine or name of a survival horror, like what happened with Dino Crisis 2 or RE4. Again, AitD was ahead of its time without knowing it.

[Anonymous No.6660073]

>>6657519
the only people who think sweet Home is survival horror are the people who haven't played it.

[Anonymous No.6660635]

>>6654708

Yes this one counts too.

[Anonymous No.6660673]

>>6655094
>tranny fanbase

I wan't aware of that. I thought it was Nintendo franchises like Zelda and Pokemon that attracted those types.

[Anonymous No.6660683]

I don't understand how people get past the visuals in this game.

Like, I can use my imagination for asci II roguelikes or shmups with fucking vector graphics. But those games don't have visuals that are actively working AGAINST what they're going for.

I find it impossible to look at the characters and monsters in this game without bursting into laughter and it just kills everything the game is going for in terms of theme. And while I don't usually find survival horror games "scary", at the same time I like to have a little bit of atmosphere when I play them, you know?

[Anonymous No.6660690]

>>6660673
Animal crossing more than any gets those fans, that and overwatch

[Anonymous No.6660710]

>>6660683
You don't belong here in all honesty

[Edward Penishands No.6660717]

>>6660683
I don't understand how people get past the visuals in this game.

Like, I can use my imagination for asci II roguelikes or shmups with fucking vector graphics. But those games don't have visuals that are actively working AGAINST what they're going for.

I find it impossible to look at the characters and monsters in this game without bursting into laughter and it just kills everything the game is going for in terms of theme. And while I don't usually find survival horror games "scary", at the same time I like to have a little bit of atmosphere when I play them, you know?

[Anonymous No.6660738]

>>6660717
Extremely based.

[Anonymous No.6660745]

>>6660717
Look autist, I don't care what you think about RE's art direction or any other horror game in particular, but I don't think I've ever seen a case in any genre where it was a more jarring than this fucking game.

[Anonymous No.6660770]

>>6660745
Seethe.

[Anonymous No.6660786]

>>6660770
>"Hey guys, how do you get past the visuals in this game? I've played lots of archaic, influential shit, but this one just feels really jarring in particular due to its theme. How do you do it? Is there something I'm missing, or is it just something you had to be there for?"
>LOL RE IS SO BAD CRY MORE SEETHE BASED

Yeah, at this point I'm pretty sure that this game doesn't hold up and its defenders are just contrarian shitposters and autists who can't grasp "people want spook in horror game???? people not find kirby 64 monsters spook?????"

[Anonymous No.6660801]

>>6660786
Welcome to 4chan and /vr/. Any legit criticism of things that aged poorly is met with retards going NO IT'S PERFECT JUST GET GOOD!!!! and YOU'RE JUST MAD! if you point out that it doesn't have anything to do with skill level

[Anonymous No.6661134]

>>6660801
>i can't gig gud
kek

[Anonymous No.6661149]

>>6661134
Grow a second brain cell already, tard.

[Anonymous No.6661159]

>>6660745
You haven't seen shit then zoomer. gtfo

[Anonymous No.6661173]

If you spergs just admitted that "yeah, the game looks goofy as shit most of the time and it's totally understandable to not be able to take it seriously, but..." and defended the game for having some unseen merits for those who sink time into it, maybe we'd get somewhere.

But nah anyone who wants atmosphere in a horror game or finds the OBVIOUSLY silly looking characters jarring in that context is just a spoiled zoomer and RE is bad and also consoom and did I mention RE is for babies wow RE is so for babies there's no other horror games besides RE look at how dumb and easy RE looks ha ha ha seeth cope based what do you mean nobody even brought up RE?

[Anonymous No.6661190]

>>6661159
Name one other retro game where there's as vast a disconnect.

It's not about having rudimentary graphics. It's about the huge fucking tonal disconnect. Nobody cares that Star Fox looks like it's made out of orgami, because those visuals don't conflict or detract what the game is fucking going for.

[Anonymous No.6661290]

Seems like OP is a butthurt REfag.

[Anonymous No.6661301]

>>6661290
Why would OP be butthurt? RE has many more good games, and is still going strong to this day.

[Anonymous No.6661306]

>>6654635
Who cares you autist

[Anonymous No.6661309]

>>6654635
This was the first "pure" survival horror bur its not good at all

[Anonymous No.6661329]

>>6661309
I think it still has merits to it like the setting and the music, but I do wonder how it would've been if the remake wasn't cancelled.

[Anonymous No.6661338]

>>6661301
>>6661309
It's okay to say that something didn't age well and you just had to be there.

Most influential retro games hold up, but not all. I can totally understand thinking Alone in The Dark was scary as heck if you played it when you were 10 and the 3d graphics were this massive new step for the future.

But those visuals look awful and unfitting in a way that most other classic titles don't (Sweet Home has been mentioned, and while I'll not vouch for it as survival horror, its pixel art holds up today way better than anything in Alone in The Dark).

The gameplay might still have some merits, but getting super defensive about the art style makes you look like some sort of autistic sociopath who doesn't get the way other human beings think.

[Anonymous No.6661342]

Why are /v/edditors like this?

[Anonymous No.6661360]

>>6661342
Because I call out games that weren’t good even then. Half Life, and GTA3 also fall victim to this. I almost want to say Elite too but there really was nothing like that despite not being really that fun.

[Anonymous No.6661379]

AITD aged like shit, RE aged like shit

You are like two old farts arguing over nothing

[Anonymous No.6661382]

>>6661360
You have shit taste

[Anonymous No.6661383]

6th gen will never be retro subhumans.

[Anonymous No.6661386]

>>6655094
>shallow puzzles

this

[Anonymous No.6661389]

>>6661382
Half Life is linear shit and GTA3 wasn’t as good as Body Harvest. VC was when that became great

[Anonymous No.6661394]

>>6661389
ok zoomie

[Anonymous No.6661396]

>>6661360
GTA3 I can get to some extent even though I love Liberty City's map design, but Half Life was definitely good.

>>6661379
I wonder why people cant realize both games have merits.

[Anonymous No.6661397]

>>6661383
Who is talking about 6th gen?

[Anonymous No.6661403]

>>6661379
Yeah RE1 aged like milk, I don't think anyone will deny that. But it got a remake that still holds up today, and a remake to its sequel that's even more zoomer friendly.

A shame AITD didn't get the same treatment >>6661329 would've been cool to see a lovecraft game get similar treatment.

[Anonymous No.6661406]

>>6661394
I’m 33 but ok, half life was cool graphically and that was it, gameplay doesn’t compared with Doom or Quake, same with gta3 outdone in fun and missions by Body Harvest and in detail by Shenmue

[Anonymous No.6661410]

>>6661406
It was better than Quake sorry.

[Anonymous No.6661419]

>>6661410
You’re high and for that I’ll say Goldeneye was better too despite questionable controls thanks to its open ended mission design with objectives

[Anonymous No.6661425]

Half-Life crystallized a lot of the trends I hate about modern FPS. It was the beginning of the popular downlslide.

[Anonymous No.6661432]

>>6661425
>>6661419
hi Alf

[Anonymous No.6661435]

>anti half life kun has arrived
Jesus

[Anonymous No.6661442]

Shit thread by a larping zoomer.
AITD is based.

[Anonymous No.6661678]

>why do people praise Hamlet?
>it's nothing but famous quotes and a really predictable old plot

[Anonymous No.6661712]

>>6661678
Because Hamlet is still entertaining. AITD is not.

[Anonymous No.6661720]

>>6661678
You don't speak for me.

[Anonymous No.6661726]

>>6661712
You don't speak for me.

[Anonymous No.6661771]

>>6656140
Pretty much any action game made in the West since they're all vastly superior to jap crap. Japanese only know how to make platformers and RPG's, and they're only marginally good at the latter.

[Anonymous No.6661881]

Back then I didn't finish Alone in the dark. I felt kinda lost.
But now Alone in the Dark 2, that was kino.
I really enjoyed it. As I was playing I started talking about it with my friends and the idea of zombies with machine guns got one of them hooked. At school we would exchange information and help each other.
I remember I went through the little girl section with the help of a bug without noticing and I convinced my friend that it was the right way and he ended recreating the bug, good times.

[Anonymous No.6661892]

>>6661290
RE is both more respected and WAAAAAAY more liked though. Why would he feel defensive about fucking Alone in the Dark?
Also they're right, the game is very important for the history of Survival Horror but you're fucking stupid if you think the models don't look silly as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6661926]

>>6661892
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>I DON'T LIKE THING
if you're OP; fuck off you drama queen

[Anonymous No.6662128]

>>6661926
>if you're able to see something's flaws that means you MUST HATE IT!
Retard

[Anonymous No.6662170]

>>6662128
Calling game a piece of shit is usually taken as hating the game.

[Anonymous No.6662180]

>>6662128
>make a bait thread shitting on an influential game
>hurr why are people shitting on me
Kill yourself and go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.6662193]

Imagine not liking all AITD, RE, Half Life, Doom, Quake, GTA 3, VC, Shenmue and Goldeneye the same.

[Anonymous No.6662237]

>>6662180
>bait
>having another opinion is bad
It’s influential for being the first 3d survival horror game that’s it. It does not mean the game is good

[Anonymous No.6662250]

>>6662237
Next you're going to tell me that Steamboat Willie doesn't hold up as an animated film. You are on the wrong board and you should leave.

[Anonymous No.6662258]

>>6662250
It holds up better because the animation is nice and clean

[Anonymous No.6662271]

>>6662258
You have no clue what you are talking about. Here is your final (You) from me, I seriously hope you are just pretending to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.6662281]

>>6662271
Enjoy your dogshit, AitD was never good or scary

[Anonymous No.6662320]

>>6662170
>>6662180
I didn't do either of those things, schizos. I'm not OP.

[Anonymous No.6662328]

>>6662281
Cry, seethe, DIL8

[Anonymous No.6662335]

>>6662328
Go back to /v/ faggot

[Anonymous No.6662379]

>>6662335
No you go, contrarian pisshead

[Anonymous No.6663205]

>>6661149

[Anonymous No.6663226]

>>6654635
It was the first survival horror game most of us played. I didn't particularly like it back then, but my friends loved it.

[Anonymous No.6663362]

>>6661425
>Born in the 80s
>Played plenty of FPS as they came out
>Doom, Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem, Quake, Goldeneye, Quake, Perfect Dark, and Unreal stand out as being some of my favorites
>One day play Half Life
>It's kinda shit, on par with Red Faction at best
>Somehow Half-Life goes on to become the most highly rated games ever despite being worse than shit made decades before it
Normalfags have absolutely no taste in anything
>>6663226
Your friends have shit taste

[Anonymous No.6663376]

>>6663362
Its time to kill yourself my guy

[Anonymous No.6663773]

>>6663362
Half-Life is absolutely head-and-shoulders way above Unreal, it's not even a fucking contest.

[Anonymous No.6664463]

>>6661926
It strikes me as the other way around.

>"isn't it a little silly looking now? How do you get past that in a horror game of all things? Is there something I'm missing, or was it just something you had to be there for?"
>LMAO FUCK OFF CONSOOMER SEETHE BASED BASED SEETHE

Reading this thread more or less convinces me that most of the people saying this game holds up and is somehow way better than all other horror games ever are just a bunch of angry contrarians and autists. Have yet to see one actual thoughtful defense of it that wasn't just shitting on some other game for supposedly being easier, or just furious shitposting.

>>6662250

As the other anon said, Steamboat Willie does hold up, the animation is good and cute.

If you honestly think that most classic retro games don't similarly hold up for their own merits and can only be appreciated through a lens of historical influence or nostalgia, then I think you're the one on the wrong board.