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>Never the console
>Never drew a dime
>Never had a good game outside Japan or that utilizes 3D capabilities
>Tanked the buyrate of Dreamcast so hard it caused Sega to stop making consoles
>Difficult to develop or emulate due to complicated architecture and use of quads
>Only the 3rd best-selling 5th generation console worldwide
>Only the 3rd best when it comes to 3D rendering performance
>Jannetty to PlayStation even later on in Japan
>Launch Daytona USA port so badly optimized Sega Rally guys had to code a better port
>Sonic game development shafted so badly that FIVE Genesis Sonic games have to be ported
>High reliance on arcade ports
>Every decent first-party Saturn game with international release had a PC port, further questioning relevance of Saturn
>Online services used by nobody
>Porn games literally allowed in Japan in pitiful attempt to get salarymen dimes, causing a ROM site to list a stripping game the most downloaded Saturn game at one point
>Existence pretty much erased from Sega's official history books outside Japan as a result of tanking Sega's console chances

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6614961

Fantastic thread! Mods, could we get a sticky?

>> No.6614992

based jannies
mods=gods
as always.

>> No.6614995

saturnetty btfo

>> No.6614998
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6614998

>misplaced one of their titles
ffs Saturn

>> No.6615002

>>6614958
do you mean Americans are fuckin retards or maybe they sabotaged Sega from the inside?

>> No.6615024 [DELETED] 

>>6614958
>Never had a good game outside Japan or that utilizes 3D capabilities
Powerslave, Quake, Duke 3D, etc. all say Hi.
>Tanked the buyrate of Dreamcast so hard it caused Sega to stop making consoles
No, that was all Stolar's stupidity. The Dreamcast actually did well really well at release and continued to do so. The problem was that Stolar's killing off the Saturn early in the West meant that the only thing bringing in money to support Dreamcast R&D was the Japanese Saturn Market. Throw in then that Stolar decided to sell the Dreamcast at a massive loss forcing Japan to follow suit let to a situation where in order for the Dreamcast to be successful they had to sell an absurd about of units that they could never hope to pull off.
>due to use of quads
This is a meme at this point. Plenty of arcade boards at the time used Quads. PS1 just took off so Triangles became standard.
>Sonic game development shafted so badly that FIVE Genesis Sonic games have to be ported
Actually Sonic Team stated they did those ports because the Mega Drive was such a failure in Japan that kids didn't know what Sonic was.
>High reliance on arcade ports
The same is true for the Genesis and Dreamcast.
>Every decent first-party Saturn game with international release had a PC port, further questioning relevance of Saturn
When did Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon II, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, etc. get PC ports? Does anyone have any proof the fabled PC port of Nights actually got released?
>Porn games
Highly exaggerated myth.

>> No.6615028

>>6614958 (OP)
>Never had a good game outside Japan or that utilizes 3D capabilities
Powerslave, Quake, Duke 3D, etc. all say Hi.
>Tanked the buyrate of Dreamcast so hard it caused Sega to stop making consoles
No, that was all Stolar's stupidity. The Dreamcast actually did sell really well at release and continued to do so. The problem was that Stolar's killing off the Saturn early in the West meant that the only thing bringing in money to support Dreamcast R&D was the Japanese Saturn Market. Throw in then that Stolar decided to sell the Dreamcast at a massive loss forcing Japan to follow suit led to a situation where in order for the Dreamcast to be successful they had to sell an absurd about of units that they could never hope to pull off.
>due to use of quads
This is a meme at this point. Plenty of arcade boards at the time used Quads. PS1 just took off so Triangles became standard.
>Sonic game development shafted so badly that FIVE Genesis Sonic games have to be ported
Actually Sonic Team stated they did those ports because the Mega Drive was such a failure in Japan that kids didn't know what Sonic was.
>High reliance on arcade ports
The same is true for the Genesis and Dreamcast.
>Every decent first-party Saturn game with international release had a PC port, further questioning relevance of Saturn
When did Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon II, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, etc. get PC ports? Does anyone have any proof the fabled PC port of Nights actually got released?
>Porn games
Highly exaggerated myth.

>> No.6615037

>>6615028
>/vr/ has it's own version of Wolfcuck for Sega consoles now

>> No.6615049

>>6614998
code was never lost and it was confirmed that sega still had it in 2018

>> No.6615054

>>6614958
friendly reminder all of these threads have been by one (1) nintendo fan who is very butthurt the n64 had no games

>> No.6615063
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6615063

>>6615049
Carring me a riar?

>> No.6615067

>>6615063
Futatsugi is the one who confirmed sega still had it in 2018

>> No.6615076

>>6614958
>Every decent first-party Saturn game with international release had a PC port, further questioning relevance of Saturn
you are confusing saturn with dreamcast in this point.

>> No.6615094

>>6615002
It was Sega of Japan's (namely Nakayama's) fault for encouraging SoA to go through with the 32X instead of shitcanning it for the Saturn and moving all its games to the new system, losing millions of dollars on a failed add-on that had no hope of being well-received, then Tom would've never quit and been replaced by Bernie Stolar who put the final nail in the Saturn's coffin.

>> No.6615098

>>6615067
>Futatsugi in 2019
>between our master date and our release date, I left the company. So the real true story is I don't know what happened to the source code
ah yes, confirmed.

>> No.6615129

>>6615098
>...However I have heard rumors [from Sega internally] it may have been discovered somewhere at some point. Forget I even said that once you leave this room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tWM8sgi8rU
Ah yes, confirmed.

>> No.6615132

>>6615129
>rumors
not really

>> No.6615137

>>6615132
>rumors
Just like the rumor that it was ever lost to begin with. Thank you for conceding.

>> No.6615146

>>6614958

And despite all of that still had more games than n64.

>> No.6615156

Just learn Japanese already.

>> No.6615226

>>6615137
If it was never lost, then how could it even be rumored to have been "discovered somewhere at some point"?
Checkmate

>> No.6615232

>>6615226
>hey people are saying we lost this thing, did we lose it?
>let me check
>no it's still there

>> No.6615241

>>6615232
Where did he have to go check for the answer to only come back as a rumor, Narnia?

>> No.6615287

>>6615241
Futatsugi who admitted he left before the game was on store shelves only asked to find out, Sega likely said "of course, but we're doing something with it so don't mention it publicly." Making it a rumor. Are you mentally ill?

>> No.6615294

>>6615287
nice fanfic

>> No.6615296

>>6615287
>sega likely probably maybe possibly said something
>source: my gaping arsehole
Fuck off

>> No.6615298

>>6615294
ty
>>6615296
seethe

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>>6615298
You played well, don't be sore now you've lost.

>> No.6615368

>>6614958
The only kid I knew who had a Saturn was a dick. Probably because he had a Saturn.

>> No.6615374

>>6615094
The 32X was a horribly stupid idea. Especially because cart addons were seen as cheap crap up to that point.

>> No.6615413

>>6614958
Go back to /asp/, Dave Meltzer. Aren't you suppose to watch your wife and her boyfriend fucking?

>> No.6615779

>>6614958
Why did people suddenly start defending the Saturn and pretending it wasn't a massive flop sometime around 2015? What was the origin of this meme that now we need threads like this and Bernie memes to set the record straight?

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>>6615779
We need threads like this to combat against threads like this. The legacy of the N64 is being attacked, and I'll never allow that. These fanboy fucks are trying to rewrite history and I'm going to remind them every chance that there's a reason Sega went out of business.

>> No.6615815

>>6615806
>9 million units sold
>2nd place
the Saturn cope is scary.

>> No.6615816

>>6615806
The guy who obsesses over N64 really loves quantity over quality. What a pea brain.

>> No.6615883

>>6615815
It beat the N64 in Japan. The N64 was such a disaster there that even Nintendo felt it was more worthwhile to release a new Fire Emblem in 2000 on the SNES instead of the N64.

>> No.6615886

>>6615883
>muh glorious nation of nippon!
Every single time someone defends the Saturn.

>> No.6615891

>>6615883
N64 sold more software in Japan though.

>> No.6615898

The N64 and Saturn are garbage.
Only PS1 has good games.

>> No.6615908

>>6615891
Proof?

>> No.6615942
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>>6615898
I wish this was true because I grew up with only a PS1, but I'd be lying to myself if I believed that Saturn and N64 didn't have great games too.

>> No.6615970

>>6615037
Go back to /asp/. You queers are the worst part of the site and Hiro should just ban wrasslefags in general.

>> No.6615983

>>6615970
worked

>> No.6615985

>>6615970
>>6615983
What meme is it? I've seen this guy posting the "Never the company" (and now "Never the console") and it seemed weirdly worded, I guess it's from another board's meme?

>> No.6615986
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>>6615028
>Duke 3D
Lol.

>> No.6615997

>>6615986
The Saturn version doesn't run in the build engine but the custom SlaveDriver engine that renders everything but enemies, guns, etc. in 3D. It's why you can actually look up in the Saturn version and it has proper lighting effects. It's also why it runs a lot better than the PS1 version.

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>>6615997
Like most total conversions its gameplay is way off. The Enforcers are supposed to be some of the fastest and most aggressive enemies in the game, the pigs are more aggressive and quick in the Saturn port.

>> No.6616009

>>6615779
>flop
>sales = quality
take your meds

>> No.6616012

>>6616009
It was a massive flop though.

>> No.6616017

>>6615985
It's a meme from the wrestling board making fun of beloved wrestling character "The Undertaker". "Never the guy" for never being the main character and working below the main event for most of his career. "Never drew a dime" is an older, pre-/asp/ meme from a bitter nobody who eventually killed himself talking mad shit about other wrestlers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41si9hwUMU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3CNeC3Ce0

>> No.6616025

>>6616002
That looks good is that saturn?

>> No.6616027

>>6616009
>not getting any good games = not flopping
dial 8 for cope

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>>6616025
No it's the PC version on a Pentium II 450Mhz.

>> No.6616045

>>6616002
I'm glad it's not just the same game, it would be boring that way.

>> No.6616307

>>6615094
SoJ's martkeing & sales departments had been pushing for a Genesis+ console since 1992, due to the Genesis being a dud domestically (coming third after the PC-Engine). SoA didn't want to market and develop another fullsize console, so they both eventually compromised on an add-on. Oddly enough, both SoA and SoJ were (though, to somewhat different degrees) concerned about the Atari Jaguar. I really can't explain why, given what they already had in the dev pipeline (Saturn).
It was an all-around shitshow of unreasonable expectations and sunk cost fallacy.

>> No.6616343

>>6614958
>>Never drew a dime
Oh that makes sense >>>/asp/ is behind the constant Saturn bait threads. Explains why your spamming is insufferably incessant long past the point where it's funny anymore. Fuck off back to your home board and spam Kevin Nash and brrrrrrrrrrap.

>> No.6616901

>thread is still up

>> No.6616902

>>6616901
Why wouldn't it be?

>> No.6616925

>>6616901
/vr/-mods and jannies LOVE spam.
brits, probably.