Why do NES games look relentlessly soulless?

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Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:00:30 2020 No.6610378 [Reply] [Original]

Why do NES games look relentlessly soulless?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:04:19 2020 No.6610383 File: 9 KB, 256x192, Space_Harrier_(SMS)-title.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610378 You didn't even post the most soulful one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:05:06 2020 No.6610386 >>6610378 I think you mean C64 or ZXS

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:06:27 2020 No.6610391 >>6610378 I forgot how many other 8-but consoles there are - the Spectrum has some great stuff. I think the NES has it’s own kind of charm, but most games are barebones. I think the hardware was just too weak.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:08:19 2020 No.6610394 >>6610378 NES is the only soulful one, though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:09:40 2020 No.6610398 >>6610383 Looks almost as gay as the NES version bruh.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:10:46 2020 No.6610402 >>6610394 >worst version of the game >lazy spritework >giant robots gun is bent like a broken dick >soulful

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:12:56 2020 No.6610405 File: 1.10 MB, 1807x738, Imagine being a eurocuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610378 I was actually playing the C64 version of Space Harrier yesterday from the original floppy disc. You have unlimited lives and it sucks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:13:10 2020 No.6610406 >>6610398 It's funny cause the SMS version is the best one out of all those OP posted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:21:39 2020 No.6610426 File: 232 KB, 1113x602, ghosts and goblinscompared.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610406 Stay delusional fanboy.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:22:33 2020 No.6610429
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>>6610406
Goes without saying really. As far as 8-bit ports of Sega games it always went: MasterSystem > NES > powergap >>>> C64/CPC > literal shit > speccy

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:39:40 2020 No.6610453 File: 4 KB, 256x192, renegade_imagine.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610429 >>6610445 RENT FREE also you forgot the soulful CPC port

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 01:40:17 2020 No.6610457 File: 1.16 MB, 1825x762, Virgin vs Chad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610453 That's not even the same game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 02:37:19 2020 No.6610564 >>6610453 >renegade >double dragon anon, c'mon now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 02:38:31 2020 No.6610569 >>6610402 Wew lad top cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 02:41:47 2020 No.6610572 >>6610426 Wow, they misspelled the title and got the copyright date wrong. What a bunch of goofs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 02:48:12 2020 No.6610585 >>6610572 IKR how could us Segachads ever recover?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 02:53:17 2020 No.6610597 Still trying to force these awful limey pcs?

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 06:09:58 2020 No.6610903

>>6610564
Sorry, not a fan of autisitic slap simulator. Bop n Rumble is much better anyway. The NES version was botched and soulless because the NES is too weak for large sprites, smooth animations, and showing basketball americans.

>>6610597
>PC
Zoomer detected.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 06:17:25 2020 No.6610913 >>6610903 >Bop n Rumble I love how these terrible Brit PC games always have the retarded names.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 06:20:31 2020 No.6610918 https://vocaroo.com/ficl4O040If

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 06:42:54 2020 No.6610948 File: 66 KB, 750x575, vtech laser 200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 80s home computers are so soulful lads. >>6610918 >anti nintendo propaganda online cringe and mentally challenged

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 06:45:53 2020 No.6610951 MUH S O U L THO

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 07:02:04 2020 No.6610971 >>6610951 SOUL is the sole reason to play 35 year old games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ORMf6SjTc

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 07:08:27 2020 No.6610978 >>6610971 What a shitty game.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 07:09:16 2020 No.6610979
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Cartridge memory was expensive. It's the price you pay for being able to load and play games instantly

>>6610429

The Spectrum port of Space Harrier was too ambitious for its own good. The scrolling/scaling is smooth, the content's all there, but it's almost impossible to make out enemies and projectiles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 07:16:56 2020 No.6610987 >>6610378 computers > consoles any more stupid questions?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 07:45:37 2020 No.6611036 >>6610971 Yikes!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 08:00:00 2020 No.6611050 >>6610572 This is bait right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 08:03:37 2020 No.6611056 >>6610378 >uses a shitty port to justify muh computer shit Why is this place such a cesspool of disingenuous cunts

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 08:45:25 2020 No.6611120 >>6610918 lmao

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 09:15:18 2020 No.6611158

>>6611056
it's like a paradox
use completely different games that each focus on different consoles to show off the best of either? they're different games so it's hard to compare
use ports of the same game to compare? may have been different developers, with different technical expertise and budgets, or game may have been designed around a particular systems' strengths, then just roughly shoehorned onto other systems, basically, only one version is going to be the best one, and that will be the one the original developer did on the original platform every time

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 10:06:24 2020 No.6611259 >>6610378 no proper yellow

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 11:11:07 2020 No.6611373 >>6610378 >contrarian "opinion" just for the sake of getting replies >le ebyn "soul soulless" meme >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 11:41:35 2020 No.6611441 >>6610391 >I think the NES has it’s own kind of charm, but most games are barebones. I think the hardware was just too weak. then y can't your precious Zniggy computers do SMB3 or Castlevania 3?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 11:50:43 2020 No.6611454 >>6610978 Can a NES have a dude getting his head whacked off and there's blood spouting from it? Of course not, no way would Nintendo have allowed that. :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 11:54:47 2020 No.6611460 >>6610903 You know, I've never seen a NES game with rotoscoped sprites while they're common in C64 games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:14:51 2020 No.6611478 >>6610391 it has a <2Mhz cpu and 2K of ram, even with it's sound and graphics processors, there's not really a whole lot you can do with it

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:17:07 2020 No.6611480

>>6611441
SMB3's mapper was practically a computer in a cartridge. Saying the NES is powerful because of SMB3 would invite claims that SuperCPU accelerators for the C64 were fair game. And once you do that, well, Doom runs on a C64 by that logic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZzivzuDOls

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:19:43 2020 No.6611482 >>6611480 SMB uses MMC3. This mainly adds improved banking and an IRQ counter. You're confused a little with MMC5 which actually had a co-processor to take some workload off the CPU.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:22:25 2020 No.6611486

>>6610391
The NES's problem was that it was designed to stream graphics from ROM. It's just too rigid and inflexible by design. Clever mappers tried to unfuck its fucked up design but they are only partially successful. Attempting to use a mapper's tileset RAM as a planar bitmap for instance was pain, whereas on a C64 you could go full ham.
However having access to 512KB of sprites and tiles only a bankswitch away meant you could have a much more varied graphical style than you'd get with a C64 and it's 16KB * 4 VICII RAM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:24:27 2020 No.6611489 >>6610378 Space Harrier never got an NES release, only Famicom. That said, it's actually an OK port considering the hardware, and almost certainly plays better than the Spectrum version at the very least.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:26:22 2020 No.6611494 >>6610903 Stfu douchebag

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:34:07 2020 No.6611510

>>6611482
It was a bad comparison I'll grant you. My point was expansion hardware in general. The C64 cartridge slot maps a 16KB region of memory which *I think* is visible to the VICII. Therefore you could literally design an MMC3 that did the same job for the C64 as it did for Mario3. If you don't allow mappers, then the NES loses to the C64 in this regard. The VICII was just more capable when it came to interrupts. The NES wins on color though.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:39:20 2020 No.6611521

>>6611486
>However having access to 512KB of sprites and tiles only a bankswitch away meant you could have a much more varied graphical style than you'd get with a C64 and it's 16KB * 4 VICII RAM.
Of course that capability didn't really exist until MMC3 and other later period mappers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 12:58:42 2020 No.6611576 The NES is good at specific types of games such as SMB3 which take advantage of its particular strengths, but it's not that flexible or as versatile as home computers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 13:43:02 2020 No.6611713 >>6610426 Wow the title screen IS better in Europe! Too bad the game is better in America...mmmm, 60 hz, feels great

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 13:47:50 2020 No.6611730 [DELETED]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpz8TVMtg8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9yEmSK3EUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9yEmSK3EUI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkTsE2BdVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMcvOpPuy8

Do I have to do this yet again?

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 13:51:55 2020 No.6611741

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpz8TVMtg8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9yEmSK3EUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjv2QinpozY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAe-Y579g0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkTsE2BdVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMcvOpPuy8

Do I have to do this yet again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 13:53:37 2020 No.6611747 >>6611489 Famicom games work on Nes, dumbass

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 13:56:13 2020 No.6611754 Are euromuts this desperate? They’re posting opening screens to try and find glory? Why don’t you post your superior port of Doom for the Amiga, or better version of Mario 3 for speccy. Oh wait....

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:12:57 2020 No.6611806 >>6611510 The NES allows 8k of CHR ROM to be accessed at any given time and different mappers allow various ways to bank it. For example, MMC3 lets you bank the CHR ROM in 1k segments.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:25:19 2020 No.6611848 >>6611747 Obviously they do with a pin adapter, but saying something got an "NES" release when it wasn't released in Europe, the UK, or the US is literally wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:40:15 2020 No.6611896 >my conversion made by a bedroom programmer in a week is a piece of shit but it has a title screen that wasn't in the arcade game so its better ???

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:46:55 2020 No.6611913 >>6611896 Sadly that was all too often a problem. Most home computer arcade ports were rush jobs made without access to the original game assets. It wasn't so much the hardware as the nature of the software industry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:56:14 2020 No.6611935 >>6610918 This is too real to be satire

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 14:58:41 2020 No.6611943 >>6610378 Because NES is actually not that great. It’s got a few good games, but most are trash.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:03:45 2020 No.6611958 >>6611943 We got most of the better ones anyway and the Famicom library is full of Zniggy-tier trash like A Week of Garfield.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:04:35 2020 No.6611961 >>6610378 Never liked the NES color palette, complete shite, specially if you were used to the Amiga 500.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:05:59 2020 No.6611963 >>6611848 No, it’s not, because everyone had a pin adapter and Japanese games were fully compatible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:11:36 2020 No.6611979 >>6611961 Well, it didn't have a real shade of yellow and the attribute system is a major PITA to work with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:12:49 2020 No.6611985 File: 1.94 MB, 3264x2448, 15950131037083982817997167244027.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ps2 old enough to be in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:15:34 2020 No.6611992 >>6610378 It's scientifically proven that Europeans process information 16% slower than the rest of the world so this makes sense for them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:17:19 2020 No.6611996 Shiggy was involved in selecting the Famicom's color palette, so he shoulders some of the blame for there being no yellow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 15:19:34 2020 No.6612004 >>6611963 Literally no one had a 60-72 pin adapter in 1988.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 17:01:27 2020 No.6612357 >>6611454 On NES yes, on SNES no.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 17:11:31 2020 No.6612394 >>6610453 >>6610457 >>6610405 They both look monochromatic and 8-bit as hell.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 17:52:55 2020 No.6612436

>>6611486
>However having access to 512KB of sprites and tiles only a bankswitch away meant you could have a much more varied graphical style than you'd get with a C64 and it's 16KB * 4 VICII RAM.
Well on C64 you'd just load from disk though that's slow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:03:16 2020 No.6612480 then why C64 Donkey Kong have all four screens and NES one just three?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:10:38 2020 No.6612498 The NES King's Quest V is pathetic compared against the PC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:14:34 2020 No.6612519 >>6611486 The Master System can't do that either, the graphics setup is more like how it works on computers where you just load up a fixed graphics table into video RAM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:24:28 2020 No.6612554 All cartridge-based consoles, really. The NES's dual bus architecture is totally unique.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:44:41 2020 No.6612615 File: 202 KB, 1199x513, 65858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's do this again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:47:18 2020 No.6612623 >>6610378 NES couldn't render yellow, there were a lot of limitations

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:47:30 2020 No.6612626 >>6612615 C64 games all suck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:50:03 2020 No.6612637 >>6612623 Is annoying to program too compared with computers. everything has to be timed exactly right or you won't even see anything on screen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:53:36 2020 No.6612654 >>6610383 Based & Master Systempilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:53:53 2020 No.6612657 >>6612626 that's a pretty sweeping statement to make. man if i could tell you about spending an entire summer on Ultima V when I was 11.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:54:33 2020 No.6612662 >>6612657 What a depressing childhood.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:56:03 2020 No.6612667 >>6612657 that doesn't mean it was a good game. RPGs are just gay nerd spreadsheet shit for people who didn't have friends growing up. Street Fighter 2 was a video game, Ultima was fucking not.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 18:59:59 2020 No.6612684

You know we actually though that back in the 80s, it was like huh? why don't Americans play arcade stuff on their computers? why all those dry sims and RPGs for adult nerds? I'd say when PCs started taking over in the mid-90s is really when Europeans started to get into more of those sit-down point and click games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:02:54 2020 No.6612690 >anon plays a game he liked and was a big part of his childhood >nuh uh you weren't really having fun, you were actually in pain and didn't realize until I told you 30 years later

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:04:46 2020 No.6612697 >>6612690 It isn't 1988, you can stop pretending garbage like Ultima is good. You can easily play better games on any device you own right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:05:51 2020 No.6612705 I know, it's not muh kawaii uggo JRPG.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:07:37 2020 No.6612709 >>6612705 JRPGs are garbage too, actually worse because at least Ultima doesn't attract the cancerous "people" that place those.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:14:01 2020 No.6612729 >>6612657 Had a college roomie who played Wasteland on his C128 so much that we threatened to unplug the thing if he didn't stop so I could get some sleep.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:16:56 2020 No.6612742 >>6612729 Again though, the game was shit and he just didn't realize it because it was all he had to play. Seriously, stop pretending there was anything prior to 1992 at earliest that's playable at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:21:49 2020 No.6612765 Does this board even like retro games at all?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 19:34:29 2020 No.6612807 >>6612765 Not anymore. /vr/ is now diet /v/. It's all about shitposting and acting like faggots now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 20:14:03 2020 No.6612943 >>6610405 limited lives/continues are a terrible mechanic and always has been

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 20:16:27 2020 No.6612952 File: 293 KB, 1022x1024, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610378

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 20:52:30 2020 No.6613060 The NES has tile graphics and a pretty severe limitation where each block of four tiles must share the same colors. All the home computers in the OP pic have a proper bitmap mode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 21:04:10 2020 No.6613080 >>6611754 >or better version of Mario 3 for speccy SMB3 would be a challenge to pull off on the Speccy because it's an MMC3 game and MMC3 relied on streaming sprites out of the cartridge. Even the Master System would have a hard time with that game.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:03:11 2020 No.6613238
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>>6611754
Back in the 80s you needed to use your imagination to make the games you play immensely more satisfying, and there's nothing that strikes the imagination better than a high res loading screen with some really cool music playing in the background.

>>6613060
How did some NES games like Die Hard do it then? Though it's nowhere as high res and photorealistic as, say, C64 RoboCop's loading screen admittedly.

>each block of four tiles must share the same colors
Weren't all home computers back then like that? They all used color cells and each cell can't contain more than 2 colors.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:05:24 2020 No.6613243

>>6613238
>Weren't all home computers back then like that? They all used color cells and each cell can't contain more than 2 colors.
But not with the limitation where each block of four tiles had to share colors. Also the Master System didn't have this limitation and each tile could have an individually set palette from the 32 that can be on screen at once.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:22:43 2020 No.6613281 >>6612943 Shut up casual.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:25:16 2020 No.6613284 >>6610378 memes aside is due to the shitty pallete

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:29:16 2020 No.6613292 i hate autistic Euro demoscenefags who still pretend their Zniggy shovelware games were any good

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:36:31 2020 No.6613307 File: 138 KB, 800x800, SINCLAIR-ZX-SPECTRUM-Retro-80-s-Personal-Computer-Black-Cotton-T-shirt-Men-T-Shirt-summer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6613292 Nice. Seethe more white boi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:41:18 2020 No.6613314 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnIGs_hpCQI Try doing this on the NES and enjoy all the horrific sprite flicker you'd get.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:43:00 2020 No.6613315 >>6613314 It is honestly hard to believe posts like this aren't a joke. Every single time you try and show off the might of the Speccy or C64 the game shown as an example is always complete garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:45:35 2020 No.6613321 File: 50 KB, 810x597, jack the nipper.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh dear.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:48:40 2020 No.6613329 >>6611460 Prince of Persia: Am I a joke to you? Not that it's a problem, rotoscoped sprites are almost universally shit (Mortal Kombat had the only good ones)

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:52:10 2020 No.6613339

>>6613315
>Every single time you try and show off the might of the Speccy or C64 the game shown as an example is always complete garbage

>>6611741
Well...

And then this. Lyl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtCqZ62FLHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtmBd49SXWM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:54:05 2020 No.6613346 >>6613339 I don't get it, all you did was link to a bunch of bad games again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:58:23 2020 No.6613347 >>6613346 >ikari warriors >bad Holy shit kys zoomer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 22:58:46 2020 No.6613348 >>6613346 not that guy but what's wrong with Ikari Warriors? I get you'd rather play it on MAME nowadays, but...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:00:25 2020 No.6613352 >>6613347 >>6613348 The console ports suck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:04:52 2020 No.6613362 Actually the Ikari Warriors I linked was the European port. There were two C64 ports, one European and one American and if you've seen the latter, lal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:05:40 2020 No.6613363 >>6613362 They're all shitty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:10:39 2020 No.6613371 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiEVfa1OK_o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLQzL8vsNVM Here's where they completely butchered Boulder Dash on the NES by turning it into kawaii anime crap. They completely lost the tense atmosphere of the original.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:11:56 2020 No.6613374 >>6613371 That NES version is so much better it's insane. Either way though it's still Boulder Dash.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:17:19 2020 No.6613392

>>6613374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSpgwuMPkOE

The best version is the Atari original of course. I read an interview with the programmer (Peter Liepa). He was a really weird, nerdy guy and he explained the atmosphere he was trying to create and in general what he was going for, especially in trying to create a lot of psychological tension for the player and Sakata SAS (the developer of the NES port) completely missed the point by make it as nauseastingly cute as possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:19:17 2020 No.6613396 >>6613392 Well that's some audio visual torture. I like the effect when the game is loading between levels at least. I think I'd rather play literally any other game though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:25:30 2020 No.6613413 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4exGV-XUbQ And the NES Lode Runner...just...no. Aside from being one of the earliest games released for the system when they only had 16k ROMs, it was also cutesified to death.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:31:39 2020 No.6613428 >>6613413 Is this supposed to look or sound bad? By NES standards it's really basic but compared to Speccy or C64 games it's a goddamn masterpiece.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:32:37 2020 No.6613432 File: 1.17 MB, 1024x768, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6611741 Wait a minute, 1942 has bosses?

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:33:00 2020 No.6613435

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJYm4mJZSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhYRxCkbG3s

Archon isn't too bad unless you prefer the minimalism of the computer versions, but the NES port was developed by Bullet Proof Software which was an American studio not a Japanese one so at least it avoided getting turned into weebshit.

The NES Archon is also balls hard, it's a lot harder than the computer versions especially the damn basilisk because his shots are so fast you can barely react in time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:36:14 2020 No.6613440 >>6613428 >only 50 levels and useless level editor since it was from 1984 and they didn't have mappers yet Also yeah fuck all that tasteless kawaii uggu music and graphics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:37:04 2020 No.6613443 >>6613440 Yeah fuck having good graphics or music at all, who needs that when you got Zniggy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:37:51 2020 No.6613447 >>6613314 Easy, give the enemy AI logic so that no more than three can share the same Y-axis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:39:26 2020 No.6613449 >>6612943 t. snoman gaming

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:42:10 2020 No.6613451 >>6610383 Beautiful title screen. Not dull as NES.

Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:42:39 2020 No.6613453

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzimJopP5rE

The computer versions of LR are really minimalist, because it's a sit down puzzle/strategy game and you want as little distraction as possible while trying to think over how you're going to beat a level. I used to play the PC port a lot on an old 386 and I'd spend hours trying to solve different levels while the NES version has never kept me occupied more than about 15 minutes a go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:43:49 2020 No.6613456 >>6613435 Forgot to add. The NES's D-pad makes it quite annoying to get off diagonal shots which would be trivial on a C64 or Atari's 8-directional joystick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:51:34 2020 No.6613467 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKcDDg_VaO8 Defender of the Crown? They tried, but...eh...just play the Amiga version instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 17 23:56:11 2020 No.6613474 >>6613374 Yeah. Those visuals are so good they're almost off. They look like what most indie devs think 8-bit games looked like, not what they actually looked like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:05:47 2020 No.6613490 File: 37 KB, 684x260, the three stooges c64 nes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:07:05 2020 No.6613493 >>6613490 NES looks better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:08:30 2020 No.6613497 >>6613493 If you're colorblind I guess it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:10:06 2020 No.6613504 >>6613497 The game on the left is drab and grey as hell. The faces are Atari 2600 tier too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:12:36 2020 No.6613513 >>6613504 Yes and the NES is drab and orange as hell and I could swear some of the people are naked because the palette/screen limitations make it that you can't give them easily discernable clothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:13:44 2020 No.6613515 >>6613513 >too dumb to know right from left >too dumb to read properly No wonder you defend these shitty PC games.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:15:51 2020 No.6613525
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Cinemaware's games like DOTC and The Three Stooges don't really translate well onto consoles. Besides, forget the 8-bit versions of those anyway and just use the Amiga ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:19:39 2020 No.6613528 >>6613525 The Amiga versions of their games looked the best obviously, though I will note that the C64 versions were usually the most well programmed ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:25:09 2020 No.6613535 >>6610378 Limited hardware. Meant to be affordable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:30:01 2020 No.6613543 >>6613513 >>6613490 >>6613467 The anon you've been arguing with is an obvious weeb and is likely beyond reasoning.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:36:34 2020 No.6613562

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORa7cPi9WdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-h8zLM2jA

Also Montezuma's Revenge. Not on the NES but it got a Master System port. This is p. nice, it's a straight port with a bit nicer, more detailed graphics and they didn't try to "experiment" with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:41:19 2020 No.6613575 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j362vuW5pg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFmENcBiKNw As usual the NES cannot into rotoscoped sprites, but I'll go easy on this port seeing as to how it was done by Pony Canyon who were like the US Gold of the NES.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:46:53 2020 No.6613590 >>6613575 >>6613562 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkyuVnBfcO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5xmlq9XZaA I guess the NES wins this round.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:50:33 2020 No.6613604 >>6613590 When you have to resort to literal shovelware games made for 50 year olds to prove your point...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:52:13 2020 No.6613607 Actually I was more disturbed that I found two (!) videos of guys running WOF on real C64s. Yes, that's right. They actually dug out their real hardware to make a video of this shitty shovelware game.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:54:11 2020 No.6613612
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Can we compare some real games please? Instead of shovelware trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZMDXe3ZlQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdUUCqVDQ0

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:55:35 2020 No.6613614 >>6610378 Because you're a eurocuck that only played on trash systems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 00:58:12 2020 No.6613618 >>6613612 >caring about DD2 ports Damn, dude, just boot up MAME.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:02:20 2020 No.6613625 >>6613612 >those were both released in 1987 lyl on hardware that was then 5-6 years old when the Mega Drive was just around the corner

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:04:15 2020 No.6613626 >>6613618 They're both pretty good ports and certainly miles better than the shitshow of DD1 home conversions. Actually even the DD1 arcade game was bleh, DD2 is much better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:10:39 2020 No.6613637 >>6613626 true but comparing arcade ports is a fool's errand when you may as well just play it on MAME

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:15:22 2020 No.6613645 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIzP5TMp85M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWjmkk5H9PE The NES had plenty of Zniggycore games if you explore the Japan-only stuff. Luckily we never saw most of those.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:23:43 2020 No.6613662 >>6613618 The NES port is actually a completely different game and better than the arcade version.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:27:04 2020 No.6613668

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt2hg1hlRb4

Robocop on the NES was pretty shitty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOECToXfoL0

C64 port, which amusingly like DD on the NES is totally different from the arcade and goddamn, I love that music--easily one of the top 10 SID tracks ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:36:51 2020 No.6613685 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICTZx7Oi3p8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG29xycW27E This one is about equal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:38:38 2020 No.6613687 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZjhGS3v6T0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LEHAQq4eKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPwiw7UKtQ Another case of brutal mogging by the Master System.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:39:40 2020 No.6613690 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy4yKNqKVos Yuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:40:16 2020 No.6613693 >>6613690 The only good /vr/ Ghostbusters game is on the Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:42:41 2020 No.6613696 File: 41 KB, 252x439, c2b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6613668 >I love that music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFgXGw_kXpc

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:45:11 2020 No.6613698 >>6613687 NES version is the best one. Also is the Master System using FM sound? It doesn't sound like the basic sound hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:46:58 2020 No.6613704 >>6613693 The C64 original is considered a classic by many, but even David Crane says it was meh since they had to rush it in six weeks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:47:50 2020 No.6613706 File: 318 KB, 925x1050, zniggy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6613704 >The C64 original is considered a classic by many Those people are not credible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:51:37 2020 No.6613709 >>6613706 I don't think you can blame Europe for that one since it was a US-developed game and every American C64 owner and their dog had a pirated version on a floppy back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:54:05 2020 No.6613713 >>6613709 There are people that will defend any piece of shit game they played as a kid, regardless of country of origin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:55:31 2020 No.6613716 >>6613706 >pic dont dis manic miner boi https://youtu.be/Us89iCZJuCQ?t=5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyBoIY2Y9Hg

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 01:56:25 2020 No.6613717 >>6613713 Ever wonder if there's some 40 year old Japanese guy somewhere who thinks Transformers: Comvoy no Nazo was a misunderstood classic?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 02:00:00 2020 No.6613724

Basically, Activision had an engine for an overhead driving game and after securing the Ghostbusters license from Paramount, they had to work day and night for six weeks making assets to use with the engine, even sleeping in the office because licensed games are usually done on a tight deadline.

It's still pretty good for what it is, though I could see why David Crane felt they could have done better with more time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 02:26:44 2020 No.6613773 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWf_MTNQ3jU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzCuqrE51c NES wins this one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 02:33:31 2020 No.6613776 File: 69 KB, 395x450, 1349027396998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610918

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:53:28 2020 No.6614136 >>6611943 You're a trash

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:54:46 2020 No.6614293 >>6613693 Ghostbusters II on Famicom and GB kicks ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:21:30 2020 No.6614347 >>6612004 They came with black box nes games, also came with 32 and 42 in 1 Taiwan carts that everyone and their dog had

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:27:28 2020 No.6614357 File: 74 KB, 512x421, unnamed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6612004 some early nes carts had an adapter inside the cartridge so they could just reuse the famicom boards

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:34:13 2020 No.6614375 >>6614347 I never saw a bootleg in the states until the Internet was more widespread. >>6614357 I'm aware, but the average NES owner wouldn't have known that and wasn't importing games from a mail-order catalog in 1988.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:35:51 2020 No.6614380 >>6614375 i don't think anyone is claiming that it was something the average nes owner was doing but if someone set out to do it, they absolutely could have done it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:38:00 2020 No.6614383 >>6614380 I certainly don't deny that, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:18:12 2020 No.6614568 >>6610426 Uhm actually its called the sega power base...

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:43:00 2020 No.6614636

please do not let your opinion of home computers be tarbrushed by Euro shovelware and demoscener shit; all the great innovations in gaming were coming from the US. It's no coincidence that PC gaming as we know it today was shaped by companies like Origin and Sierra, not Elite or Domark.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:46:27 2020 No.6614642 >>6614568 the console unit by itself is called the power base, but the system as a whole is called the master system it's proper to say "this is a game for the master system, you insert the cartridge into the power base"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:14:10 2020 No.6614715 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5qxZ54m-A Did we in the land of the free miss out by being able to rent this on the Genesis instead and being able to boot it up instantaneously instead of spending 15 minutes loading from a cassette tape?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:35:13 2020 No.6614767 >>6614636 Elite was mostly a publishing studio of arcade ports, not video game creators. >>6614715 Only like a bit more than 3 minutes actually. >rent Enjoy not owning games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:42:30 2020 No.6614778 >>6613717 Didnt he call into game center cx?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:45:35 2020 No.6614782 >>6613625 well, 4-5 years old

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:53:49 2020 No.6614794 >>6613612 The graphics on both look much better on a CRT TV.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:01:57 2020 No.6614816 >>6613706 Was the Zniggy! project ever finished?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:07:04 2020 No.6614829 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un9Wy-iKmp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrKv10jZ-rI

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:12:26 2020 No.6614841 I never understood who thought a Platoon video game was a good idea. It was a serious movie/commentary piece about the Vietnam War and it wasn't for children.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:26:57 2020 No.6614997 The C64 Commando was a good port but it was still missing some of the levels. Some guys remastered it and added the missing stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:37:39 2020 No.6615018 I'd say the NES Maniac Mansion is superior to the C64 one because it just looks nicer and there's no load time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:06:40 2020 No.6615086 >>6610378 zed-ecks-speccy one is nightmare fuel

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:09:30 2020 No.6615096

>>6612615
>muh c64
no one gives a shit because they used a dildos color palette that makes games look like washed out shit heaps. euroniggers need to stop being so mad about
>50hz
and move on with their lives instead of shilling for shitty home computers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:10:43 2020 No.6615103 >>6613490 c64 looks like complete shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:15:10 2020 No.6615114 >>6615096 The NES looks awful too, of all 8-bit systems only the Master System had any kind of a good palette at all.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:21:16 2020 No.6615125 [DELETED]

>>6613490
>>6615103
>>6615096
Dies sind Screenshots die mit einem Emulator aufgenommen wurden. Die Grafiken werden auf einem CRT Display viel besser aussehen, wodurch sie glatter werden und die Farben richtig gemischt werden. Ich glaube auch dass das Seitenverhältnis falsch ist. Es ist besonders wichtig sich daran zu erinnern dass PAL viel Farbmischung erzeugt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:26:40 2020 No.6615145 >>6615114 i hate how unusually dark sms games look, though. it's kinda depresssing to look at in games like alex kidd or even sonic. i thought this was an emulation problem until i played my game gear recently and noticed that.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:38:03 2020 No.6615192

Wie andere haben darauf hingewiesen ist die NES eine schwächere Maschine als der C64 in den meisten Aspekten. Die beiden Dinge die das NES tut besser in erster Linie seine höhere Taktfrequenz und seine Fähigkeit, Grafiken zu streamen aus der Patrone ROM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:09:50 2020 No.6615270 https://www.lemon64.com/games/votes_list.php Lyl at how more than half of the top 100 games on here are NTSC releases.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:25:08 2020 No.6615308 yeah most NES RPGs were a lot simpler mechanically and gameplay wise than their computer counterpars

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:38:17 2020 No.6615330 >>6615125 Gut gesagt, deutscher Bruder

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:32:25 2020 No.6615485 >>6615018 NES MM is without a doubt the best version of the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 02:53:09 2020 No.6616671 >>6612394 Did you decide to ignore the cool ass alien in the nes version

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 03:08:29 2020 No.6616695 >>6616671 >Did you decide to ignore the cool 2 color background tileset in the nes version And you decide to ignore the horrible slowdowns and flickers in the nes version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 03:10:38 2020 No.6616703 >>6616695 You say this shit about literally every NES or SNES game even when it isn't true. This is one of the many times it isn't true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 03:16:09 2020 No.6616713 >>6616703 I get frequent slowdowns during the horizontal scrolling levels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 03:44:38 2020 No.6616751 >>6616713 You're just completely full of shit.

Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:18:57 2020 No.6616785

>>6614841
The guy who ran Ocean would score the rights to American action movies before they were even finished shooting, the game designed around whatever little was known about it. As the films were unknown to yet be successful or not the license came relatively cheap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:51:18 2020 No.6616821 >>6614841 >turn anti war flick into a vietnam fucking shit massacre simulator Sounds based to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 05:07:02 2020 No.6616837 >>6613668 NES Robocop looks great on a CRT, you homo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 20:28:23 2020 No.6618851 >>6612709 Because only five people remember Ultima or any WRPG from the era

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 20:38:08 2020 No.6618875 >>6613717 Hydelide is considered a classic and groundbreaking over there, and inspired people like Kojima and Kamiya to make games, so maybe. But to be fair, the reason Americans hate it is because they already Zelda by the time it was released here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 21:02:54 2020 No.6618936 >>6618875 It would still be considered trash in the US because they already had the superior Dunjonquest series and remakes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 15:43:16 2020 No.6621393 >>6610391 >the Spectrum has some great stuff. >calls the NES barebones Britcucks need to be gassed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 15:45:31 2020 No.6621407 >>6610971 >SOUL is the sole reason to Kill all zoomers who can't articulate why they like something outside of buzzwords they don't understand >MUH SOUL >MUH AESTHETICS >MUH NOSTALGIC

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 16:34:25 2020 No.6621560 File: 10 KB, 512x480, Asterix (Europe)-0001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6615114 it is a vey good looking palette, I love how it nails that cartoon aesthetic for 8-bit games

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 17:11:23 2020 No.6621663 >>6610378 >NES version >didn't take several minutes to load off a tape >all the others pictured >did

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 17:18:17 2020 No.6621680

>>6621407
>>6610971
>>6610951
im surprised /vr/ has never even cracked the soul meme. soul isn't a meme, its a fact but you need to see it for what it is. its not that developers had more soul, its that the developers had more limitations in the hardware they were working with so the small steps they did get to achieve towards the bigger pictures and goals they dreamed of when working with these machines felt that much greater.

now that theres no true 'limitation' to the hardware in game development by the big names, theres no more 'soul' because everything can be super-imposed one way or another.

you couldn't super-impose sprite artists or good sound design. i miss the days of limitation. wheres gramps when i need him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 17:44:08 2020 No.6621759 >>6610378 The NES was punching waaaay above it's weight class with a lot of games. Saying it's "soulless" is like judging the SNES by it's Doom port.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 18:05:49 2020 No.6621825 >>6614642 Just call it the Sega System

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