/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6574469]

>amazing game, maybe the best ever
>never had a single decent follow-up game

fucking why

[Anonymous No.6574482]

It's a good game, but a lot of its identity is a bit obsolete. Wise-cracking roided protagonist is not the staple of action right now, and as impressive it was it to have voiced protagonist after Doom, it becomes grating to hear the same one-liners over and over again.

Duke Nukem just doesn't have an identity worth replicating. The design that once made it groundbreaking is now commonplace. So why have a game called Duke Nukem when you can have something else?

[Anonymous No.6574507]

tbf it only had one follow up game, that was in development hell and came out really late and bad because of it, and gearbox buying it only hurt it more.

[Anonymous No.6574508]

>>6574469
Because it was perfect. Pretty hard to top perfect.

[Anonymous No.6574512]

>>6574482
Don’t ever talk bad about Duke one liners again or I’ll track you down

[Anonymous No.6574515]

>>6574512
it's time to chew ass
>>6574469
unless you mean specifically iterative sequels to DN3D (as in, other first person shooters), I kinda liked Manhattan Project

[Anonymous No.6574535]

>>6574469
Boring game. Fun to play the first level and then thats it.

[Anonymous No.6574678]

shareware was good, everything else sucked

[Anonymous No.6574704]

>>6574469

> >never had a single decent follow-up game

incorrect

https://youtu.be/l85uzkmPyqs

[Anonymous No.6574719]

>>6574469
Google Duke Nukem Forever development history.
Shit was rebooted so many times, engine after engine, it's pretty sad that gearbox ended up buying the IP and releasing that turd as a finished product.

[Anonymous No.6574779]

>>6574704
liked the psx "sequels" better tbf

[Anonymous No.6574802]

>>6574469
Shadow Warrior is the spiritual follow-up.

[Anonymous No.6574841]

Blood was better

[Anonymous No.6574880]

>>6574841
Came here to say this

[Anonymous No.6574954]

>>6574841
kys

[Anonymous No.6574985]

>>6574841
Blood's difficulty is all over the place. Some parts are way too difficult, some are too easy. Duke3D is much better balanced.

[Anonymous No.6575042]

>>6574985
And it has a better story, a better atmosphere, better designed levels. And yet....

[Anonymous No.6575158]

>>6574469
this is all too common sadly

[Anonymous No.6576659]

>>6574985
Setting shit on fire and throwing dynamite is more fun. Plus while the jetpack is fun it breaks half the maps and the shrink ray makes nothing a threat

[Anonymous No.6576676]

>>6574985
Go replay Lunar Apocalypse and say that again.

Have fun playing with the fuckin' Battlelords and Sentry Drones.

[Anonymous No.6576734]

3D Realms put everything on the line with Duke Nukem Forever, and eventually it was too late for Duke to be relevant anymore. I mean relevant in the way that 80s macho action movies were no longer a thing, it was all about tech thrillers and hackers at late 90s and early 00s. Maybe some day Duke Nukem license will find its way to better hands and we'll get that proper Duke revival. Duke is already kind of back as Postal Dude in Postal 4, it's the best we can get for now.

[Anonymous No.6576738]

>>6576734
their original 1997 date for duke forever was basically as late as something like duke nukem could have been and still been relevant
of course, maybe if it was good enough they could have held that style through into the 2000's, but eh, it became too late pretty fast. it wasn't even big enough to be able to pull off a revival, either
i still haven't even looked at the actual duke forever release, because i know there's no way in hell it could actually hold up

[Anonymous No.6576747]

>>6576738
I bought Duke Forever at launch balls of steel edition and it was a bitter disappointment. It was great to hear the one-liners in high definition, but everything else was so painfully average. The whole design principle seemed like a big middle finger towards anyone who grew up playing Duke 3D. Some people (journalists) claimed the game flopped because it was outdated, but fans know it flopped because it was too "modern" in the sense that it was playing like a modern military shooter with regenerating health and boring linear levels.

[Anonymous No.6576760]

>>6576747
exactly as i figured, at that point i just knew it would be like that, why bother when you know with 100% certainty that you're going to be dissapointed?
it's actually pretty hard to resist checking out what became of something you used to love, it often ends in disappointment

[Anonymous No.6576764]

>>6576760
There are exceptions. I used to sneer at modern Deus Ex games, especially after Deus Ex 2 that fucked up the series before it had barely even become a series. But then I checked out Deus Ex: Human Revolution and it fucking kicked ass.

[Anonymous No.6576816]

>>6574469
George Broussard.

>>6574482
I'll rip off your head and shit down your neck.

>>6574507
It should have been released in the very early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.6576830]

>>6576747
I'd argue that DNF wasn't mediocre, it was outright bad. There's glimpses of Duke Nukem 3D in there, but the game is like it's made by someone who looked at DN3D, then completely misunderstood what was good about it. Like, the weapons are mostly like in DN3D, but you're only allowed to carry two of them, and as a result they all play off each other like shit.

[Anonymous No.6576860]

>>6576830
>but you're only allowed to carry two of them
haha what the fuck

[Anonymous No.6576974]

>>6574482
>Duke Nukem just doesn't have an identity worth replicating.
Their best bet is to play it off his stiffness and being outdated as part of the character. Like a fit Hank Hill, a middle age guy with old school morals. Keeping to himself, a simple man with simple needs, who enjoys drinking a beer, visit stripclubs, cracking outdated pop culture reference and dad jokes. With a big ego, but with his heart in the right place.

DNF made it look too much like an unlikeable old greasy pervert. It didn't help that the writing had zero direction, and you had him caring about his babes being captured at one minute and making fun of it at the next one.

[Anonymous No.6576991]

>>6576974
are you actually asking for a "30 year old boomer" game?

[Anonymous No.6576998]

>>6574469
Duke3D was an outstanding FPS for it's time.
It just didn't know how to compete anymore once the competition got real hard

[Anonymous No.6577091]

>>6576991
I made a comment about characterization, I’m not personally asking for anything.

[Anonymous No.6577109]

>>6577091
you know what i mean

[Anonymous No.6577143]

>>6576991
That would unironically kick ass

[Anonymous No.6577147]

>>6574469
>best ever
duke wasn't even the best build engine game wasn't even the best first person shooter when it came out

[Anonymous No.6577149]

>>6577147
It's easily the best Build FPS as well as the best FPS of 1996.

[Anonymous No.6577150]

>>6577143
as long as it begins with you mowing your lawn at 5:30am on a beautiful sunday morning

[Anonymous No.6577151]

the n64/psx duke nukems are better than fps duke

[Anonymous No.6577153]

>>6577143
>ah... 90's fps.. now those were the days

[Anonymous No.6577164]

>>6577151
TtK and ZH are good but not better than 3D.

[Anonymous No.6577171]

>>6577164

i never liked 3d or any of these vector fps, too boring and headache inducing. they were old fashioned when i was a kid and im in my mid 30s lol

[Anonymous No.6577173]

>>6577171
>they were old fashioned
No. That era of FPS had only existed for 3-4 years at that point.

[Anonymous No.6577175]

>>6577173

i was 10 years old when quake was released, vector fps was redundant by that point

[Anonymous No.6577180]

>>6577175
And I was 7. Point is the game was good, is good, and will remain good.

[Anonymous No.6577192]

>>6574841
Blood is a third tier shit compared to Douk.

[Anonymous No.6577194]

>>6577192

blood was school shooter tier

[Anonymous No.6577292]

There's something weirdly addictive about the enemies screams and weapon sound effects in Blood (the shotgun, the lighter). It's the superior build game in terms of pure combat, even with the weird difficulty whiplashes.

However, the character, visual and stage design of Duke 3D was much better, and it remained unmatched for a long time.

Shadow Warrior is ok, just not the best at neither.

[Anonymous No.6577317]

Time to Kill on PS1 was good

[Anonymous No.6577324]

cuz they keep it one thousand

[Anonymous No.6577340]

>>6577292
I think part of why SW was less memorable is the protagonist. I dont care about how racist it is or isn't, it's just not a particularly funny or relatable character. Duke and Caleb are absurd but they still feel like humans with personalities. Lo Wang is just a joke.

[Anonymous No.6577754]

>>6576747
>>6576830
It's like the game had a brand deal, but the brand was Duke Nukem.

>"Look how cool Duke Nukem is! The game is telling you everybody loves him, because the fans of Duke 3D loved him! See? The 3D game had strippers that would flash Duke, and he's like this sex guy, so the game opens with a blowjob because he's that cool and sexy! Oh, man, the game-whole world loves him because we all remember how great Duke Nukem was back in the day, and-and-RRRRRRR, he's super pissed off at the aliens! And he's crude and cool, and he used steroids as a power-up in the 3D game, so now he still do that, and also he can drink beer! And he's so cool that he doesn't have a health meter, he has an EGO meter! C'mon, remember when he was cool?"

The game was trying so hard to huff its own farts that it forgot to be a good game.

[Anonymous No.6577772]

>>6577754
That's been a thing since Duke Nukem 2.

[Anonymous No.6577936]

>>6576860
Yeah. They released a free DLC on PC to let you carry four weapons, which would be a monumental improvement (even if a needless restriction) but if you bought it on console, go fuck yourself, only two weapons for you.
I found a used PS3 copy for like a dollar, and even knowing I got it for basically free, and I had heard it wasn't good, I was still so fucking furious at how bad the game was. The little glimpses of DN3D that you find in there are just all the more enraging when you know that some of the key people who made that game worked on this one, and they should have known better.
I've never been so fucking bitter over pocket change in my goddamn life, and after all these years, thinking about it still makes me seethe.

At least I will always have Duke Nukem 3D.

>>6577772
Duke was a self-aggrandizing character, sure, that was part of the charm, but the way it's cranked up in DNF is more than all the other games combined, and unlike them, DNF is anti-fun to play.
They had the right to be smarmy about the older games because they were actually good.

[Anonymous No.6577943]

>>6577754
The beer pisses me off, because he gets completely drunk off his tits from just one can. It should have been a bottle of whiskey or something, at least then you'd buy that a huge and built guy like him would get blurred and wobbly vision.

[Anonymous No.6579775]

bumpo

[Anonymous No.6579793]

>>6574779
>>6574469
>>6574482

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtdtfmIqWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORFOM2hMNA8

[Anonymous No.6579889]

>>6577943

some people are genetically predisposed to getting drunk from one beer, maybe Duke is one of them?

[Anonymous No.6579989]

>>6577943
>>6579889
Isn't Duke canonically hapa?

[Anonymous No.6580017]

Hail to the King Baby

[Anonymous No.6580064]

>>6579989
Where did you get that idea from?

[Anonymous No.6580108]

>>6579989
What?

[Anonymous No.6580112]

>>6579889
Duke Nukem doesn't look like an indian.

[Anonymous No.6580545]

>>6577772
Pretty kinky