What is the best way to hook up my old PS1 and PS2 to a 4K TV with only HDMI inputs? I don't have any other TVs.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 2 22:04:39 2020 No.6568451 [Reply] [Original]

What is the best way to hook up my old PS1 and PS2 to a 4K TV with only HDMI inputs? I don't have any other TVs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 22:06:12 2020 No.6568456 >>6568451 Buy a crt

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 22:07:13 2020 No.6568458 If you throw them at the television hard enough, they'll fuse and you won't need AV cables.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 22:08:59 2020 No.6568461 >>6568451 Google PS2 to HDMI

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 22:37:44 2020 No.6568534 OP are you still a virgin? If you make it to 40 you'll achieve wizard status and you wont need to worry about what connecting wires you use.

Anonymous Fri Jul 3 08:42:15 2020 No.6569341

>>6568451
>PS1
https://www.retrorgb.com/playstation1.html
>RAD2x HDMI Cable – This is the only PS HDMI cable worth buying at the moment; Zero lag, fast resolution switching and the image is processed correctly.
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/SONY-PLAYSTATION-HD-RAD2X-CABLE
>PS2
https://www.retrorgb.com/playstation2.html
>just use a cheap component to HDMI converter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VJ9RP6

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 09:16:48 2020 No.6569378 >>6568534 You mixed up things a bit here. Wizard is 30, archmage is 40.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 10:01:22 2020 No.6569437 PS2 is not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 15:40:42 2020 No.6569969 >>6569437 didn't it turn 20 a week ago? when will all of 8th gen be retro? when xbox is 20?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 15:51:00 2020 No.6569989 >>6568451 >wanting to use a resolution that small on a 4K panel just don’t, get a CRT for $10 from some old lady clearing out her basement

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 16:43:03 2020 No.6570084 >>6568451 Any decent 480i to HD scaler is more expensive that just buying a second hand crt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 16:44:26 2020 No.6570087 I used my retrotink 2x and it looks fine on my 55" OLED 4k tv. but i bought that for my retro games, if you really want to spend $120 to play ps1 games its up to you

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 16:45:35 2020 No.6570091 >>6569341 Does using HDMI over Component show a wider color range?

Anonymous Fri Jul 3 18:11:28 2020 No.6570284

>>6568451
Sometimes hooking your console directly to your HD TV through SCART works just fine, but results vary between every TV model.
I'm personally using an OSSC to play PS1 and 2 on an OLED TV and it works fine. I barely have any input lag and the image looks sharp.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 21:41:04 2020 No.6570742 Best way to connect it is to get quality component cables and use an OSSC. Skip the 2x. You'll find good components from HD retrovision or officials if you're willing to pay some extra.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 22:20:34 2020 No.6570816 File: 143 KB, 900x900, 45CC03C4-335D-4B09-B604-FFC878DD586A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >wat da bes way too hook up to hdtv

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 22:29:35 2020 No.6570836 >>6569969 Never zoomer

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 23:43:27 2020 No.6570918 Getting a backwards compatible ps3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 04:29:32 2020 No.6571302 >>6570918 CECHA01's are unreliable and will fail PS2's, at least the slims after the first model, are built like tanks.With the doubles and upscalers floating about, you won't miss the CECHA's BC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 04:41:55 2020 No.6571308 >>6569969 Read the sticky, and go to /v/ if you want to talk about your ps2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 05:54:34 2020 No.6571375 I have a stereo receiver that converts the component input to digital and outputs it over HDMI that I got used for $150 so that might be an option

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 06:51:34 2020 No.6571402 >>6568451 glue

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 07:13:18 2020 No.6571415 >>6571308 PS2 slim is one of the best ways to play PS1 games if not the best. Calm your tits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 08:46:24 2020 No.6571517 >>6571302 >CECHA01's are unreliable and will fail Mine's been going strong since launch day

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 08:55:50 2020 No.6571530 >>6569437 >>6571308 Get over it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 09:35:08 2020 No.6571597 >>6571302 CFW it and crank up the fanspeed. Sony's defaults keep the thing damn near idle until its already on fire. I re applied paste on mine as well but the fanspeed changes have done far more to keep temps manageable

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 10:19:19 2020 No.6571678 >>6571415 >PS1-on-PS2-emulation is the best way to play PS1

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 12:38:33 2020 No.6571948 >>6568451 Just buy a CRT on Facebook.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 12:54:24 2020 No.6572004 File: 473 KB, 1143x720, 1591997177640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6570836 >>6569437 >>6569969 PS2 WILL NEVER BE RETRO ZOOMER!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 13:21:08 2020 No.6572085 >>6572004 >not understanding the retro criteria goes by platform date, not game date Why are zoomer reddit-rapefugees so retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 13:44:48 2020 No.6572158 >>6572085 Game date and based on if the game is at least 20 years old would make a lot more sense, though.

Anonymous Sat Jul 4 13:49:46 2020 No.6572169

>>6568451
Literally just emulate if that's the only display you have. You then have the option of using a decent CRT shader at native res, or rendering the games at a fitting resolution for your display. There is no reasonable way to get those machines to look good on an HDTV.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 13:54:07 2020 No.6572190 >>6568451 for a real answer: ODV or Retrotink2x seem to be the cheepest options. if you don't care about money then the OSSC. and component av cable of course.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 13:54:13 2020 No.6572191 >>6572004 In principle you're not wrong but you're still a fucking zoomer for using TimeSplitters Future Perfect, a 2005 game, to make your point and confusing it for the first game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 14:20:58 2020 No.6572271 File: 378 KB, 1254x3344, 1335009319325.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The best way is the purchase of an OSSC. Disappointed that no one in this thread have mentioned it before me. Bunch of noobs, baka.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 14:49:15 2020 No.6572354 File: 132 KB, 420x360, FIFA+Soccer+2005+(USA)+(En,Es)-image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6572085 Here it is, my favorite retro video game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 15:03:10 2020 No.6572395 File: 45 KB, 283x400, fifa_2013.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6572354 And if PS2 were allowed we'd be able to talk about games from up to 2013, your point?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 15:18:32 2020 No.6572437 >2020 >still cant load ps1 games from ps2 harddrive

Anonymous Sat Jul 4 15:19:15 2020 No.6572441

>>6572395
I actually do agree with vr's rules on retro gaming, but I just think its really funny to see strange happenings in the rules. 2005 is when 7th gen started and not at all during the retro era, yet discussion of that game is technically allowed. But a ps2 launch title released in March of 2000, only 3 months after the retro era cutoff is absolutely not allowed. It really makes ya think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 15:26:35 2020 No.6572456 >>6572271 >pic related >dying at age 22 because of steroids >just so you can post photos with ugly skanks to get attention on internet forums and social media >Body of your average "natty" bodybuilder kek poor zyzz I wish he was alive

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 17:46:06 2020 No.6572730 Either the Rad2x or a retrotink 2x. they're basically the same hardware, but the rad2x connects directly into your ps2. If you have more old consoles you want to connect, just get a retrotink and a composite switcher

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 18:04:52 2020 No.6572762 >>6572441 No one here has thought about it. Thank you for bringing this up, really makes ya think!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 19:23:48 2020 No.6572992 NOT RETRO

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 4 22:46:30 2020 No.6573398 >>6572992 Based gatekeeper

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 00:05:47 2020 No.6573513 >>6572762 no prob bob. Just doin' my job to help the 4channel moderation team!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 13:29:20 2020 No.6574725 >>6569437 >>6572992 It is retro just not /vr/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 13:35:59 2020 No.6574740 >>6572085 He meant retro game not retro platform you idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 06:42:08 2020 No.6576647 >>6569437 It's older now than the PS1 was when /vr/ was created

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 06:46:13 2020 No.6576652 >>6569437 >>6570836 >With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro" tick tock...

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:11:42 2020 No.6576693
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>02/08/14
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>2014
>dreamcast 15 years
>retro
>2020
>playstation 2 20 years
>not retro

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:26:06 2020 No.6576724 >>6576693 It'll become retro once the next gen launches in October

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 08:39:38 2020 No.6576805 >>6576693 if it launched in the current millennium it's not retro, even in a thousand years it won't be retro

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 09:03:56 2020 No.6576846 >>6576693 >Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 12:49:33 2020 No.6577198 Makes me wonder...isn't there a single modern 4k TV with at least one YUV input? I'm not a fan of analog-digital conversions. Heck, even VGA-hdmi causes weird artefacts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 21:25:20 2020 No.6578394 >>6576805 >>6576846 Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 22:21:51 2020 No.6578527 >>6576652 >>6568451 >With the release of the 9th generation of consoles, the Sony Playstation 2, Nintendo Gamecube, and Microsoft Xbox will now be considered retro T minus 10...9...8...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 22:28:38 2020 No.6578545 >>6571678 The PS2 doesn't emulate the PS1.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 23:30:59 2020 No.6578652 >>6576805 >even in a thousand years it won't be retro by your logic in a thousand years it wouldn't have launched in the current millenium so it would be retro

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 23:54:29 2020 No.6578697

>>6568456
>>6569989
>>6570084
>>6571948
The voices of reason. Get a cheap/free CRT with s-video or component preferably, some decent quality cables and enjoy. It's cheaper, easier and will look much better than any LCD solution if you wind up getting a decent set. Dare I say, it will look "correct".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 23:57:26 2020 No.6578707 >>6568456 this but to answer your question specifically OP, get a PS3 component cable, then get a component to HDMI adaptor

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:01:04 2020 No.6578713 File: 86 KB, 556x560, 198B2FF6-0F75-4887-AB10-4C926DD0E69B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6572354 I like me some 2004 retro games!

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:13:05 2020 No.6578739
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>>6572085
Justify your stupid opinion, let’s hear your weak defense so I can point and laugh at you, 6th gen is retro by every measure:
>complete games on disc
>no connecting to the internet to update firmware that takes 30mins
>no downloading game patches to finish and fix game that takes an hour
>composite cable out of box
>from the crt era
>external memory storage (excluding Xbox)

>inb4 m-mu-muh internetzz tho
famicom, super famicom, and mega drive and saturn all had network modems to connect to the internet to download games from the net, so I guess gens 3, 4, and 5 are no longer retro anymore huh???

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:14:00 2020 No.6578742 File: 2.78 MB, 480x360, deathscythe.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6578713 I fucking love battle assault 2

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:18:45 2020 No.6578758

>>6578739
not the same anon but someone once compared /vr/ with classical music and I think it illustrates the point perfectly.
snoop dogg's debut album is old enough to drink. should it be considered classical music?
/vr/, similarly to classical music, is a genre.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:26:28 2020 No.6578778 >>6578742 this and endless duel are the only good gundam games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:33:57 2020 No.6578793 >>6578758 >music from hundreds of years ago vs >music that’s just 2 decades old >ps1 1995 >ps2 2000 >5 year difference bad metaphor

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:36:45 2020 No.6578802 >>6578793 classical music isn't classical just because it's old you brainlet. it's a genre. or do you think Doggystyle is gonna morph into classical music once it's a 100 years old?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 00:49:13 2020 No.6578820 >>6578739 was the ps2 released on 1999? no? not retro will this change next year? or 10 years from now? no? then it'll never be retro (by this board's definition).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 01:02:22 2020 No.6578847 File: 58 KB, 640x480, 733893.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6578802 >gonna morph into classical music once it's a 100 years old? https://youtu.be/C52MXbkhepQ

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 02:48:26 2020 No.6578982

>>6571302
CECHE01 is far more reliable and is also compatible with PS2. (All PS3s are compatible with PS1, BTW.) It's supposed to sometimes have some graphical glitches because the CECHE01 only contains the PS2's GPU and emulates the CPU, (while the CECHA01 contains both the CPU and the GPU of the PS2,) but, DESU, it's very rarely noticeable IMO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 02:54:47 2020 No.6578990 It's been over 100 million years already, why the FUCK isn't the jurassic period part of the triassic period by now? It's not fucking fair, bros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 02:55:43 2020 No.6578993 >>6578982 >CECHA01 My PS3 is one of those, didn't know it was special. Should I do what the other poster said and install custom firmware? Reapply what I assume is thermal paste? or just keep running it (rarely) as is? I never noticed a problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 03:20:34 2020 No.6579028 >>6571678 ^Filtered by: >>6578545

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 03:24:19 2020 No.6579032 >>6578993 It’s going to die on you someday.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 03:24:46 2020 No.6579034 >>6571678 it has PS1 hardware built-in to run PS1 games you dipshit if you prefer emulators then whatever, but at least know your shit before opening your dumb fucking mouth

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 03:57:14 2020 No.6579053 >>6568451 PS2 is not retro. >>6578993 PS3 is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 03:58:49 2020 No.6579056 >>6579053 i just wanted to know if my PS3 could run PS1 games with custom firmware my dude. the PS3's perfect backwards compatibility with the PS1 due to having PS1 hardware makes it relevant in retro game discussions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 04:02:58 2020 No.6579060 >>6579053 Poster is on the specturm

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 04:27:30 2020 No.6579094

>>6578993
It will eventually die, as the chips naturally run really hot, even in ideal conditions. Heat kills electronics. Only way to have avoided that would have been to get a custom water cooling solution that isn't offered as a service anymore, not since about a decade ago.

Do not open a PS3 unless you know what you're doing; PS3's have been killed en mass by morons trying to fix them, and makes CECHA01's pricier than they need to be.

IMO, sell it while it still works and use the money toward a dedicated OSSC set up for your retro consoles and a slim PS3 for your PS3 games.

Also technically not retro, but this has been a good thread about quality AV set ups and Not Retro fags can die mad about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 04:27:37 2020 No.6579096 >>6579053 Next, you're going to say the Playstation classic isn't retro either.

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 04:29:36 2020 No.6579101

>>6578982
The big thing that turns me off about CECHE01's is the borked aspect ratio. OSSC and CECHA's display games in a proper 4:3 ratio vs. that awful 16:10 thing it's got going on otherwise.

Some of the graphical glitches and performance hiccups hit hard on some big games, so it's not a good option for purists since there are options like the Framemeister and OSSC that are superior solutions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 07:09:25 2020 No.6579303 File: 1.19 MB, 1720x1290, IMG_20200707_130737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm using a component to hdmi converter, playing on a pc monitor. But it's much better on a crt, too bad that I have only a 15inch one

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 07:17:27 2020 No.6579313 File: 1.41 MB, 1720x1290, IMG_20200707_131622.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6579303

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 08:12:39 2020 No.6579367

>>6577198
Get your meaning straight.
>YUY
No one calls that Component inputs (YPbPr).
>I'm not a fan of analog-digital conversions.
Not one LCD/PDP/OLED display ever works in analog field, they all have analog-to-digital transcoder inside.

Get OSSC or BitchTink x2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:01:33 2020 No.6579420 >>6578820 PS2 is retro quite literally everywhere else and to everyone else who isn’t one of the delusional shut ins who uses this board. /vr/ rules is just /vr/, PS2 is actually retro, just this board has out of date rules.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:03:14 2020 No.6579423 >>6578820 you can’t see it but I’m currently pointing and laughing at you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:04:25 2020 No.6579425 >>6579420 >>6579423 >>6578847 you are literally a joke

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:11:31 2020 No.6579435 >>6579425 I’m still pointing an laughing at you. From my end you’re the joke.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:12:45 2020 No.6579439 >>6579435 it doesn't take much to make a retard laugh classical music != old music /vr/ != old vidya

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:16:31 2020 No.6579442 File: 79 KB, 640x636, 138E1952-FD7B-4902-8CDC-461796C98510.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6578713 the 2000’s had a lot of good retro games, this one from 2002 is a classic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:20:05 2020 No.6579443 File: 36 KB, 342x336, BAE7922E-8188-4BBB-B816-39A46EB810D8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6579442 2002 had quite a few good retro games

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:20:57 2020 No.6579447 >>6579303 To be fair, that’s a pretty garbage LCD panel. Get a decent VA TV, thank me later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:22:49 2020 No.6579451 File: 48 KB, 490x500, 5F50A1DA-AC99-4967-8D05-5B40904A8CE5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6579443 2002 also got some good ports with added content

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:25:57 2020 No.6579458 File: 115 KB, 800x782, 3B081C5E-5C45-4DDA-9A44-3EB4FE6A90E7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6579451 2004 got some weird ones

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:31:05 2020 No.6579472
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>>6579458
what's the name of that Japan-only RPG that got release towards the end of the PS1 life? the graphics looked a lot like FFT but I don't recall if it was actually a tRPG. I think it was one of the last PS1 games.
have this for your help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:51:18 2020 No.6579491 >>6578545 it emulates the gpu and spu, and ps2 slims also emulate the cpu. there's a reason why there are dozens of ps1-games with known issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 09:57:28 2020 No.6579504 >>6579420 >PS2 is retro quite literally everywhere else then fuck off to those places

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:01:19 2020 No.6579513

>>6578993
>>6579094
I'm said other poster, and mine is CHECHA01. I can tell you repasting it probably didn't do that much and wasn't ultimately worth the risk, but the fanspeed boost has definitely kept temps down. If it's going to be your daily driver for PS2/3 games then more cooling will definitely help if you can't find a CFWable Slim. I've done quite a bit of gaming on it since and haven't been worried about cooking it any worse than it was before I owned it. PS2 content looks passable to me and is probably the easiest way to hook up to a modern display but a progressive-capable 4:3 CRT would still be best.

A 4:3 LCD EDTV is also an option if you can find one

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:14:42 2020 No.6579527

>>6579513
recent findings imply that temperature has little to do with the abysmal failure rate in fat models. or, at least, is secondary.
the capacitors they used for the cpu and gpu are notoriously bad and have a short lifespan. they also don't play nice with heat.
some of the other components are also equally bad and might need replacing as well. which is why sometimes just replacing the capacitors doesn't work, you need to check the entire board for dead (smaller) parts.
the temperature isn't high enough even under load to damage the cpu, gpu or the solder. however, after prolonged usage and enough cooldown cycles, the unleaded balls might crack. which is nowhere near as common as the capacitors failing.
the real problem stems from the fact that a ton of people did the blowdryer "trick" or outright cooked their fucking motherboards. which does produce enough heat to damage the cpu/gpu connection. so unless you can be sure the console wasn't fucked with, going through the trouble of replacing all the faulty components could prove fruitless.
only the very first couple models are worth the hassle, really. the partial emulation in later models is shit. if you want to check if your console is dying, play through the Last of Us until you reach the first clicker/zombie. happens inside a collapsed building like 1 hour in. if the caps are going bad the console should shutdown.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:47:12 2020 No.6579574 >>6579527 That's interesting. Not much talk about this back when I did it. Pictures' of peoples fixes look damn near gore tier. I'll have to try out TLOU or GT6 some time, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:51:47 2020 No.6579585 >>6579574 yeah, most people just rip the old caps off with a knife and use wires to hackjob a string of new ones together. use a heat gun (and quality kapton tape) if you end up needing to repair yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:06:22 2020 No.6579631 >>6579472 shin megami tensei if

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:07:26 2020 No.6579635 >>6579504 so the rest of the world that isn’t this slow board then? lol ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 13:38:17 2020 No.6579961 >>6579631 nope, found it. Black Matrix 00.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 15:48:27 2020 No.6580271 >>6579447 It's actually an 4k IPS monitor, it's just the phone that activated some hdr filter on top of it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 15:55:46 2020 No.6580291 >>6571678 It literally is. PS1's hardware is an overheating piece of garbage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:29:24 2020 No.6580953 >>6579491 The spu is also not emulated, only the gpu (and very accurately). That's why most glitches are just graphical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 22:40:08 2020 No.6581250 >>6580291 I've heard a lot of complaints about the PS1 but overheating ain't one of them. maybe if you're one of the retards who removed the shielding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 23:33:51 2020 No.6581413 >>6568461 It's shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:34:35 2020 No.6582235 All I want is to read 6th gen discussions on comfy slow board, why we can't have that? /v/ is too fast, too meme, and too young for anything from even 10-15+ years ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:38:12 2020 No.6582245 So is this it? PS2 is now just going to fly? I mean I genuinely don't care. Being able to discuss things like Burnout, Metal Gear Solid 3, and Guitar Hero would be fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:41:07 2020 No.6582251 >>6582245 Yep, confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:51:19 2020 No.6582272 >>6578758 >/vr/, similarly to classical music, is a genre. So we can talk about Shovel Knight on here?

>>	inb4chan !XwAtrACIng Wed Jul 8 07:55:26 2020 No.6582280 >>6568451 get the pound hdmi adapter

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:57:36 2020 No.6582287 >>6582272 shovel knight belongs to a different category: pretentious indie shit. I'm not arguing its merits, but simply stating a fact.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:32:35 2020 No.6582381

>>6579101
I was just playing the CECHE01 the other day and the only thing that seemed off about the aspect ration was a tiny bar on the top. Besides, I play PS2 on a PS3 in order to have the least amount of consoles connected, not really for the quality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:34:31 2020 No.6582389 Are people seriously saying any game the came out from the Dreamcast and beforehand are a, "genre?"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:35:43 2020 No.6582394 >>6582389 It’s just one guy, if you pay attention you’ll notice he’s the one who posts the overwhelming majority of anti gen 6 sentiment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:37:45 2020 No.6582402 >>6582394 Would figure. But, yeah, retro means it's old, not that it's a certain style.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:08:40 2020 No.6582478 >>6582251 ??? where was it confirmed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:11:30 2020 No.6582483 >>6582394 >>6582402 >one guy keep telling yourself that the only reason why this thread is still up is because op masqueraded it with "PS1"

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:19:21 2020 No.6582498

>>6582389
I'm the one who said that. but I feel it's a great comparison nonetheless.
it was an arbitrary decision, yes. but someone had to come up with a metric. and it was <y2k.
there's no clear metric as to what defines classical music either, only a set of traits. it's about as arbitrary as this board's rules.
I feel like a general for "modern" retro should be allowed. essentially anything that's ceased production. but bottom line is that you can bitch all you want, ps2 is not /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:22:33 2020 No.6582508 >>6582483 >keep telling yourself that Was talking to the other anon actually. Why would I talk to myself on /vr/, that’d be crazy haha

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:24:05 2020 No.6582509 >>6582498 >largely unfamiliar with classical music >decides it’s an adequate analogy to account for the inexplicable rules of the board Based retard

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:29:52 2020 No.6582524

>>6582509
I was talking from a semantic standpoint. which you clearly missed given
>inexplicable rules of the board
>inexplicable
rules are arbitrary by definition. while both /h/, /e/ and /d/ are for hentai, each has rules defining what material can or can't be posted. the sticky on /h/ also reads
>Remember: All request threads belong on /r/.
which is arbitrary as hell. all the whining in the world ain't gonna change the fact that
>NOT RETRO

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:12:43 2020 No.6583071 >>6578990 >thinking /vr/ mods are as professional as historians

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:13:29 2020 No.6583075 >>6582245 >PS2 is now just going to fly? When the PS4 and Xbox Series X come out, yes

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:14:40 2020 No.6583080

>>6582524
yeah and the sticky on here says
>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro"
So therefore we can assume that
>With the release of the 9th generation of consoles, the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox will now be considered "retro"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:18:19 2020 No.6583086 >>6576652 >>6578527 That was written before the PS4 existed. It's never changing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:20:05 2020 No.6583087 >>6583086 >That was written before the PS4 existed >02/08/14

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:13:46 2020 No.6583352 Is there a way to make the PS2 boot to the browser screen even if there's a game in the disc drive? Without having to remove the disc I mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:49:09 2020 No.6583593 >>6583080 no we cannot? it also says >any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:52:26 2020 No.6583607 >>6583080 Tbf PS2, Xbox and Cube should've been allowed when Dreamcast was, it makes no sense to allow just 1 of the 4 sixth gen consoles and was directly responsible for /vr/'s decline.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:59:52 2020 No.6583624 >>6578990 i made a new tool using only oonga boonga technology so why does the museum recuses it and says its not a prehistorical artifact?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:00:47 2020 No.6583626 >>6583087 >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:38:16 2020 No.6583719 Welp, modern threads get shut down quickly, but PC game from year 2000 is going strong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:41:45 2020 No.6583730 >>6583719 That’s because it can be run on a 1999 or earlier hardware platform. Did you read the sticky?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:47:20 2020 No.6583742 >>6583730 This rule does not apply to computers. For computers it only takes the game's year of release into consideration, regardless if it's compatible with an older operational system

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:47:33 2020 No.6583743 >>6583730 Then Xbox with its Pentium 3, GCN with its 1998 CPU and PS2 which was manufactured long before 2000 is old enough to be considered pre-2000 hardware, and its games is too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:48:31 2020 No.6583747 >>6583742 I don't see that in the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:51:29 2020 No.6583750 >>6583747 Then get better reading comprehension

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:52:10 2020 No.6583751

>>6583743
>it’s games is
Learn English and then realize that Xboxs and PS2s were manufactured in factories in 2000 and later, so they’re not retro. Just because some of the internal components may have been available before 2000 does not make the platform retro. PS4 uses wires that were used in the 90s. Does that make it retro?
A computer with a video card and CPU from the 90s but then 4GB of RAM is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:52:30 2020 No.6583752 >>6583743 they weren't publicly released until after 1999. hey, look at that. I can come up with arbitrary bullshit too.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:55:07 2020 No.6583758

>>6583750
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games.
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
I don't know which thread/PC game you're talking about, but did it target a platform launched in 1999 and earlier?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:02:59 2020 No.6583780 >>6583752 >>6583751 My point was >>6583730 can't into reading comprehension, but, I guess, you two can't into sarcasm. >Learn English How I needed to type it?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:03:49 2020 No.6583784

Read it carefully

>Retro gaming means
>consoles launched in 1999 and earlier
>computer GAMES launched in 1999 and earlier
>arcade GAMES (including pinball) launched in 1999 and earlier
>and any OTHER FORMS of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:04:01 2020 No.6583785 >>6583758 This >>6579970.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:05:02 2020 No.6583794 >>6583784 Meant to reply to >>6583758

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:05:12 2020 No.6583795 >>6568451 get two ps1/ps2 hdmi output cables. get a hdmi splitter box

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:05:50 2020 No.6583798 File: 21 KB, 425x417, 61TLIKl5leL._AC_SX425_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6568451 get this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:09:49 2020 No.6583817 >>6583785 codename 47 is compatible with Windows 95. it says so on the box. >>6583784 yes, and? codename 47 is a form of video game released on a platform launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:11:42 2020 No.6583821 >>6583817 Then we can safely talk about Halo and Gears of War threads because their ports can be run on Win98.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:14:37 2020 No.6583829 >>6583817 It says "other forms", implying it only applies to platforms not previously mentioned (console, computer and arcade)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:14:44 2020 No.6583830 >>6583821 is it officially targeted, though? does it say so on the box? or is it just compatible?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:16:15 2020 No.6583836 >>6583830 Who even cares what it says on the box? It's a PC game, only release year is matters here.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:19:45 2020 No.6583854

>>6583829
even if that was true, 47 is still a computer game released on a platform launched in 1999 or earlier.

>>6583836
not according to the rules.
>Retro gaming means [...] computer games [...] on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
just because it runs doesn't mean it was intended to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:21:24 2020 No.6583856 >>6583854 >just because it runs doesn't mean it was intended to where are you finding all of these extra rules you're coming up with?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:21:40 2020 No.6583859 >>6583854 Windows is not a platform. It is a OS. Platform is PC and then every single game can be considered retro because we still use same old PC as a platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:23:05 2020 No.6583869 >>6583859 >every single game you can play on a retro operating system is retro yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:24:08 2020 No.6583875 >>6583869 OS is not a platform. Many consoles didn't even had menus and is considered platforms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:24:56 2020 No.6583879 >>6583875 you're getting into some real ship of theseus bullshit here, careful.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:25:51 2020 No.6583886

>>6583856
it's not an extra rule. it's just basic reading comprehension.
the rules state "retro" gaming encompasses computer games released on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. was Hitman released for Windows 95? yes, it was. was Windows 95 released in 1999 or earlier? yes, it was.

>>6583859
no. the word "platform" has been used to describe OSes for ages now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:27:03 2020 No.6583893 >>6583886 >it's just basic reading comprehension except it's outside of the letter of the rules. Where are you finding all of this extra context?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:29:09 2020 No.6583903 >>6583893 it is not. >Hitman >computer game >check >Windows 95 >platform released in 1999 or ealier >check

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:29:50 2020 No.6583907 >>6583903 we're referring to you saying that Halo and GoW aren't retro even though they run on win98.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:30:46 2020 No.6583910 >>6583907 were they released for Windows 98, though? because the box for Hitman clearly states it was released for Windows 95, including.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:30:47 2020 No.6583912
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>>6583886
>the rules state "retro" gaming encompasses computer games released on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. was Hitman released for Windows 95? yes, it was. was Windows 95 released in 1999 or earlier? yes, it was.
Hitman was released in general for Windows. And the actual Windows at the time was WinME which was released before Hitman and in the year 2000.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:32:30 2020 No.6583917 >>6583912 Retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:33:41 2020 No.6583921 >>6583910 again, those extra rules aren't part of the actual rules, where are you getting them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:33:51 2020 No.6583923 >>6583912 that's wrong for several reasons. but even if it was true, it's not compatible with Windows 3.1. so it's not "general" by definition. Hitman was quite clearly released for Windows 95 and 98.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:33:57 2020 No.6583925 >>6583912 Retard.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:35:50 2020 No.6583932

>>6583921
it's not an extra rule. I can't help you if you can't into basic reading comprehension.
Hitman was released for Windows 95 and 98. it says so in the box. keep in mind I'm only bringing the box up for the sake of consistency.
whether it works on Windows 10 or 3.1 is irrelevant. it was released for Windows 95 and 98.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:36:43 2020 No.6583935

>>6583932
Let me post the rules for you here anon:

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

Show me where that says 'it has to say so on the box' and i'll concede that you aren't just making things up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:36:55 2020 No.6583936 >>6583923 It has ME in requirements and any Windows below it is just for backward compatibility. It's a WinME game and not retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:41:50 2020 No.6583956

>>6583935
did you read my post? or are you not able to read, either?
>I'm only bringing the box up for the sake of consistency.
because that's one way to tell what platform a game was released for. the box itself is irrelevant. all that matters is that the game was released for Windows 95.

>>6583936
it doesn't work with Windows 3.1, though. which renders your "general" argument invalid. not that it was ever a valid argument.
the game was released for Windows 95 and 98. period. whether it was compiled that way is irrelevant.
and by the way, Windows ME is not listed in the scan I'm looking at. not that it matters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:43:27 2020 No.6583962 >>6583956 >did you read my post? Your post is irrelevant, I posted the actual rules, not your homebrewed rules.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:44:47 2020 No.6583970

>>6583886
>no. the word "platform" has been used to describe OSes for ages now.
Ok but /vr/ has its own autistic unique meaning for words like "retro" and "platform". If the sticky were using the word "platform" to describe operational systems, then the line "computer games launched in 1999 and earlier" would be totally unecessary ;^)

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:46:11 2020 No.6583974

>>6583956
>because that's one way to tell what platform a game was released for. the box itself is irrelevant. all that matters is that the game was released for Windows 95.
Your is irrelevant. You can't limit PC by OS its using, but by year - you sure can, and that's why 1999 in the rules.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:46:40 2020 No.6583979

>>6583970
That's not the line, the line is:
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
It explicitly doesn't say that it depends on when the game came out, but instead when the PLATFORM came out. Anything that runs on windows 98 or earlier is certainly retro, by the specific letter of the rules.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:47:38 2020 No.6583981

>>6583979
>It explicitly doesn't say that it depends on when the game came out, but instead when the PLATFORM came out. Anything that runs on windows 98 or earlier is certainly retro, by the specific letter of the rules.
It says COMPUTER GAMES right there.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:48:18 2020 No.6583984

>>6583962
yes, and the rules state that computer games released for platforms launched in 1999 or earlier are retro.
Hitman is a computer game released for a platform launched in 1999 or earlier.

>>6583970
not necessarily. one thing is not the same as the other.

>>6583974
yes, you can. the rules state
>platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Windows 95 is a platform launched in 1995.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:49:01 2020 No.6583987 >>6583981 it also says consoles, arcade games and 'any other form of video games,' so what's your point? or are you just flailing because you realized you have no argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:49:34 2020 No.6583991 >>6583984 >Hitman is a computer game released for a platform launched in 1999 or earlier. Hitman is a COMPUTER game before it's a Windows game, so it's not retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:50:06 2020 No.6583993

>>6583984
Sure, but why do you keep pretending like we've been arguing about hitman being retro? this argument has always been about why your criteria INCLUDES hitman but EXCLUDES halo, which was released on windows 98. It's obvious why you feel that way, but you haven't actually explained how that distinction is meaningful in the context of the rules as they are written.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:50:55 2020 No.6583997 >>6583991 yes, and it targets a computer platform released in 1995.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:51:52 2020 No.6584006 >>6583997 It can target whatever it want, it's a game from 2000, not 1995.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:52:15 2020 No.6584008

>>6583993
I'm not excluding Halo. I just don't know what platforms it was released for. was it released for Windows 95? if so, more power to you.
keep in mind being officially released for a platform is different than being compatible with said platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:52:40 2020 No.6584012 >>6584006 the rules clearly state that something being retro is respective to the PLATFORMS it's played on, not its own release date. This is why talking about NBA 2005 for the PS1 is perfectly in-bounds.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:53:41 2020 No.6584018

>>6584008
>keep in mind being officially released for a platform is different than being compatible with said platform
Not as far as the rules are concerned it isn't. I invite you to quote where it implies that, without over-reaching on your interpretation, without adding in your little homebrew flavor to them that you're fond of.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:57:52 2020 No.6584034

>>6584018
well for one the thread is still up. so it validates my point.
but I'm also not reaching at all. the game quite clearly states that it was released for Windows 95. whether it works under Windows 3.1 or 10 is irrelevant in this context because it wasn't released for those platforms. it just so happens to work under them.
>I want to talk about X PC game
>how do I tell whether X is retro?
>what platform was X released for?
>Windows 95?
>retro
>Windows 7?
>no retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:58:40 2020 No.6584035 >>6584034 >so it validates my point >didn't quote the rules >trying to talk around it You got nothing anon, admit it. Stop flailing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:58:57 2020 No.6584036 >>6584012 Consoles are different story, but it's becoming clear that we can easily shitpost about PC games approximately till 2005.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:59:42 2020 No.6584039 >>6584034 and why do you keep implying that working on a later OS makes something not retro? You obviously know what we're actually discussing here, why do you keep trying to avoid it with this pitiful circular game?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:00:43 2020 No.6584046 >>6584036 >Consoles are different story Show me in the RULES where it says that, because the rules list console/computer/arcade/other types of games as literal EQUIVALENTS with the same governing ruleset.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:01:22 2020 No.6584048

>>6584035
if the thread is still up after all this time then it's safe to assume it falls within the rules. the other >not retro threads have also been deleted.
>didn't quote the rules
>trying to talk around it
that's you. I quoted the rules.
>computer game
>released on a platform launched in 1999 or earlier
Hitman is a computer game released for a platform launched in 1995, including.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:01:38 2020 No.6584050 >>6584046 How about using your brain for a second?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:02:21 2020 No.6584052 >>6584046 console/computer game/arcade game*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:03:36 2020 No.6584059 >>6584048 Even if I don't like you, but looking how thread really don't get deleted it safe to assume anything with support for at least Win98 can be talked about here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:04:50 2020 No.6584067 >>6584039 it doesn't. if a game is released for Windows 95 and XP, then it's still retro. if the same game only so happens to work on Windows 95 though, but wasn't released for it, then it's not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:05:43 2020 No.6584073 >>6584067 Why are you not using Win98?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:05:53 2020 No.6584074

>>6584050
>>6584052
>literally no argument
you guys are short circuiting over interpreting plainly written rules that are barely a sentence long. It's pathetic. If you can show me where in the rules you found these extra rules I'll concede.
>>6584048
Again, we're talking about why you think Hitman is Retro but Halo is NOT. This is nothing to do with whether or not this thread is on-topic. This has nothing to do with whether or not either of those games are retro (Both are). This is only about why your criteria allows for one, but the exact same criteria disallows the other. It's obvious to me that you're trying to take us in circles so you can pretend you're right, or got the last word in, whatever. But it's just pathetic anon.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:06:13 2020 No.6584079

>>6584036
>Consoles are different story
No they're not.
The rule is simple. The game has to be for a platform before 2000. Hitman was released for a platform before 2000. Wolfenstein and Halo were not. Half Life 2 was not.
>b-but why
Hitman requires Direct X 7 which was released before 2000.
Half Life 2 requires Direct X 8. There is no way to play Half Life 2 on a hardware platform that was available before the year 2000. It's not retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:06:54 2020 No.6584082

>>6584067
>if the same game only so happens to work on Windows 95 though, but wasn't released for it, then it's not retro.
Show me in the rules where it says that, there is no language about what a game was 'officially released' for. You have no argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:07:45 2020 No.6584089 >>6584074 >Halo is retro Halo requires Direct X 8 which wasn't available before 2000. BTFO

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:07:54 2020 No.6584090 >>6584074 >Halo is NOT But he said he agrees it's retro, so we can go and make a thread about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:07:56 2020 No.6584092 >>6584079 >released for a platform before 2000 No, it has to be played on a platform that came out before 2000. Once again, has nothing to do with when the game itself came out, just if it can be played on a retro system.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:09:03 2020 No.6584097

>>6584090
Well if he moved off his initial point that I was arguing then fine, but anything that plays on a pre-2000s platform, such as windows 98, is retro by the letter of the rules. Notice how none of these other anons will actually substantiate where their headcanon/homebrewed rules are actually coming from. That's because they're making them up as they go along.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:10:48 2020 No.6584110

>>6584089
it plays on windows 98, it's retro. I'm going to take the liberty of posting the rules again, so you can be confronted by the fact that the '1999' date only applies to the PLATFORM ITSELF. These rules are clearly meant to be read 'as is' without much room for interpretation, this is why the part about the dreamcast is written so specifically and didactically, but the other clauses are not.

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:11:06 2020 No.6584113 >>6584097 We were just too stupid to realize that we can use Win98 as exploit in rules, and not PS1 on PS2.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:11:14 2020 No.6584114

>>6584073
who says I'm not?

>>6584074
I never said Halo wasn't retro. I just don't know what platforms it was released for. so, in accordance to the rules, I can't say whether it is or isn't retro.

>>6584082
a game has to be "officially" released for something, anon. you don't release a game for an unknown platform. the burden of proof is on you, because you're the one arguing an exception to a rule.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:12:24 2020 No.6584118

>>6584114
You did in the post I originally replied to, but maybe you were just clumsy with your words or something. Sadly, there is no "official release" phrase or anything like that in the rules. The temporal aspect of the rules explicitly refers to when the PLATFORM ITSELF was LAUNCHED.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:12:34 2020 No.6584120 >>6584114 >I never said Halo wasn't retro. I just don't know what platforms it was released for. so, in accordance to the rules, I can't say whether it is or isn't retro. Now we just need some Halo-threads, right, anon?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:14:48 2020 No.6584126

>>6584092
True. Unfortunately for you, Halo cannot be played on a platform that came out before 2000. There were no computers that could play Halo that came out before 2000 because the Direct X version that Halo requires didn't get released until 2000. So it's not retro.
>>6584110
>it plays on windows 98, it's retro.
No, the OS installed on something is not the entire platform. You have to take into account everything. Could you buy a computer in 1999, not change anything, and play Halo? No, so it's not retro and doesn't work on a pre-2000 platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:14:55 2020 No.6584127 >>6584120 unironically yes. The mods should allow it but still squash gen 6 threads that don't qualify. Then everyone's happy right, it'd be following the rules after all.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:15:12 2020 No.6584128

>>6584118
>Sadly, there is no "official release" phrase or anything like that in the rules.
because there's no need to? of course a game has to be released for something.

>>6584120
if it was in fact released for Windows 95 or 98, sure.
just make sure it was actually released. not that it "just works" with it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:16:03 2020 No.6584131

>>6584126
>Direct X version
direct x is a plugin not a platform, you can merely download it and play halo on win98, it's retro. Now, if the rules actually said something about when the game came out, or if you could have conceivably played it in 1999, instead of just if you can play it on a platform that launched before 1999, then you'd be on to something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:17:05 2020 No.6584138 >>6584128 >of course a game has to be released for something Now you're just being silly anon, are you running out of steam here or just tired of making an ass of yourself?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:17:45 2020 No.6584142 >>6584128 >just make sure it was actually released. not that it "just works" with it. In all PC history Halo 2 was released "for" Vista, majority of other games just had "minimal requirements".

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:19:22 2020 No.6584148

>>6584131
>direct x is a plugin not a platform,
I never said it was. It is part of the platform though.
The platform is the computer. Or console.
Can you play Halo on a 1999 computer/console/platform?
No, because 1999 computers didn't have Direct X 8.
Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:21:49 2020 No.6584157 >>6584148 If year cut was somewhere between Genesis and SegaCD, and the latter was out it would just be silly. DirectX is a part of Win98 however you see it, it's not a platform and it's released date is irrelevant.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:21:53 2020 No.6584158

>>6584148
>It is part of the platform though
the platform is the OS, you're again getting into some ship of theseus bullshit trying to partition off what all makes up the platform. You need to read and understand the rules anon, they're written very concretely with 0 room for extraneous interpretation. I'm sorry this is so hard for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:23:10 2020 No.6584162 >>6584148 >No, because 1999 computers didn't have Direct X 8. If SOFTWARE from 2000+ is not retro, then the SOFTWARE Hitman from 2000 is not retro either.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:23:26 2020 No.6584163

>>6584142
then it's not retro. unless it was released for Windows 98 and earlier specifically, then it's not retro.

>>6584138
see, this is where your poor reading comprehension skills come into play. games are released for a platform. this much is a given, there's no need to specify it. it's like if the rules had to go in details about what a "game" even is. there's just no need.
you're the one arguing that's irrelevant so long a game works with a retro platform. you're the one making a case for an exception to the rule. so naturally the burden of proof is on you, not me.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:25:05 2020 No.6584170

>>6584158
>the platform is the OS
Wrong. The platform for Dreamcast games is not the OS of the DC. It's the DC itself, the hardware and software all together.
> it's not a platform
I never said it was. The computer is the platform.
>it's released date is irrelevant.
Wrong. The release date of the platform must be before 2000. There are no computers that can run the game before 2000 because the version of Direct X required wasn't released yet.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:25:47 2020 No.6584171

>>6584163
>burden of proof
Alright, I'm just going to post the rules again anon, you haven't been reading them.

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
>platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
>platforms launched

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:26:07 2020 No.6584172

>>6584162
>If SOFTWARE from 2000+ is not retro, then the SOFTWARE Hitman from 2000 is not retro either.
You don't understand the difference between platform software and games?
The sticky makes the rule clear.
Games can be released after 2000 but it has to be for a platform from before 2000.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:27:05 2020 No.6584175 >>6584170 Your argument implies that computer games should be sorted by hardware make/model instead of OS, it's just so fucking batty anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:27:40 2020 No.6584178 >>6584172 >You don't understand the difference between platform software and games? Do you? DirectX is not a platform, just some software like drivers.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:28:58 2020 No.6584184

>>6584171
yes. and games like Wolfenstein and Hitman were released for Windows 95, including.
whether, say, Gears of War works with Windows 95 is irrelevant if it wasn't released for Windows 95. it's like if a PS2 game happened to work with the PS1. still not retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:30:58 2020 No.6584198

>>6584178
>DirectX is not a platform,
Correct. The computer is the platform. This includes a motherboard, a hard drive, an OS, and other things like DirectX.
If you want to know if a game is retro just ask yourself "can it be played on an unmodified computer purchased in 1999?"
If the answer is no, it's not retro. This board is for games on platforms from 1999 and earlier. For other games go back to /v/

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:31:39 2020 No.6584202

>>6584184
>it's irrelevant if it works if it wasn't released for windows 95
Alright, so like i've been asking this entire thread, show me in the rules where it says that. I'll post them again, just for you:
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:32:40 2020 No.6584203 >>6584198 this anon's having an actual meltdown, good god. can't even follow a simple one-sentence rule.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:35:10 2020 No.6584215

>>6584175
>Your argument implies that computer games should be sorted by hardware make/model instead of OS
No, the home computer platform includes the hardware make and model and the OS and everything else. The platform is the computer all together.
>it's just so fucking batty anon.
Cringe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:35:51 2020 No.6584216 >>6584215 >still going You really manage to divine a lot of 'secret' rules from the sticky, anon. How do you do it. Are you a holy man?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:36:22 2020 No.6584220 Don't worry 2000 bros In 5 years we can finally discuss our games at /his/ in peace

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:36:45 2020 No.6584221 >>6584198 By that standard all the early PS2 games were retro because the devkits ran on 1998 and 1999 pc hardware. The Emotion Engine was mass-produced in 1999.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:38:01 2020 No.6584225

>>6584216
It's very simple. You can talk about games from platforms released in 1999 or earlier.
To see video game platforms, refer to this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_platforms
Notice that "OS" or "DirectX" are not listed video game platforms.
Home computers are platforms. Home computers include hardware and software like OS and DirectX.
I know it's hard when you get bitch slapped online but you'll have to take a loss in this internet argument.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:38:28 2020 No.6584227

>>6584202
I don't have to. because like I said the burden of proof isn't on me. and that's because it's assumed a game has to be released for a given platform.
you're the one arguing it doesn't. so logically you're the one who should provide proof for this supposed exception to the rule.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:39:05 2020 No.6584229 >>6584221 >w-well somewhere in a Microsoft laboratory in 1999 they had a prototype Xbox so it's a retro platform!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:39:09 2020 No.6584230 >>6584225 Right, so Halo is in bounds because it plays on a platform (windows 98) that was released before 1999.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:40:02 2020 No.6584234 >>6584230 playing =/= being released for

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:40:11 2020 No.6584235 >>6584229 Right, that is what you are essentially arguing. >>6584227 >I don't have to refer to the rules to use them as an argument interesting strategy anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:40:23 2020 No.6584236 >>6584230 Make a thread. I'm interested if will make till tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:40:56 2020 No.6584237 >return to castle wolfenstein thread deleted >serious sam thread deleted >hitman thread still up halobbbies BTFO

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:41:12 2020 No.6584239

>>6584234
show me in the rules where it says that, here, i'll post them again, just for you:
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

yep, that's all of em.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:42:31 2020 No.6584242 >>6584230 No. Did you read my post? Halo doesn't work on 1999 computers.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:43:03 2020 No.6584246

>>6584236
The mods interpreting the rules poorly has always been a fact of life on /vr/, they leave bottom-feeder shitposting threads up for weeks, it's obvious what their priorities are and what they have personal vendettas against. However, the rules are explicit and easy to interpret, as I've proven by moving you off of argument after argument in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:43:50 2020 No.6584249 >>6584237 They shouldn't be surprised. Serious Sam, Halo, and Castle Wolfenstein don't work on 1999 computers. Hitman does. Simple as. Anyone else having a great time laughing at the seething zoomies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:44:07 2020 No.6584252 File: 33 KB, 600x565, 1463685458340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584242 >still going

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:44:51 2020 No.6584254

>>6584235
I am referring to the rules. you're the one who has a problem with them because they don't specify whether a game has to "officially" be released or just be compatible.
what you don't seem to understand is that that's due to your own lack of reading comprehension. the rules don't have to specify the obvious, they don't specify what a "game" is because we can all understand the simple concept of a "game".
similarly, games have to be released for a platform. again, no need to specify the obvious. you, whoever, are arguing that they don't. that "just working" is good enough. which goes against the common convention.

which means that the burden of proof is on you. I don't have to prove that games have be "officially" released for a platform because that's the status quo, /you/ have to prove that they don't.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:45:11 2020 No.6584257

>>6584246
>i interpreted platform as OS
>the platform of the Atari is the OS of the Atari
>home computers aren't a platform
The rules are easy to interpret. The rules state platform.
Here is a list of platforms for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_platforms

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:46:42 2020 No.6584260

>>6584254
>because they don't specify
Right, because that's not under consideration for what's in bounds or not, you can glean this from the concrete and specific language of the rules, which i'll post again for you to read.

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.
>>6584257
>still going
>still fixated on defining platform because he lost the actual argument
anon I hope you don't get hurt real bad real soon, that'd be awful haha

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:48:57 2020 No.6584264

>>6584260
>Right, because that's not under consideration for what's in bounds or not
of course it is. you can't talk about games without their platform. even the rules say as much.
>computer games
>platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
it's two variables that rely on each other. games and platform.
what platform was Hitman launched on?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:49:17 2020 No.6584265 >>6584249 >Hitman zoomer laughing at Halo nu-zoomers The best kind of entertainment

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:49:27 2020 No.6584267

>>6584260
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.
Do you understand what platform means? I know you're embarassed but you don't need to wish physical injury on people just because you got proved wrong.
The rule of the board is fairly simple.
Here, just for you I'll post the list of platforms again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_platforms

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:50:37 2020 No.6584272

>>6584264
>more circular arguing
>>6584267
>more platform ship of theseus autism

here boys, read it again:
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:51:56 2020 No.6584276 >>6584272 So just answer this: which 1999 platform (home computer or console) could run Halo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:52:38 2020 No.6584280 >>6584276 a computer running windows 98

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:53:28 2020 No.6584282 >>6584272 nothing circular about my post. you're just ignoring the obvious, or simply unable to comprehend it. Halo WORKING on Windows 95 or 98 is not the same as it being LAUNCHED on those platforms. it's two distinct words.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:55:25 2020 No.6584290 >>6584282 >it's two distinct words >nothing circular about my post seriously anon haha stay safe! it's retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:55:35 2020 No.6584291 >>6584280 Ok but which 1999 platform could run GZDoom?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:56:19 2020 No.6584295 >>6584290 out of arguments, then? because by the definition of the rules it's not retro unless it was launched on Windows 95 and 98, including.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:56:49 2020 No.6584298 >>6584291 wait wait you just asked a question, let me ask one first: Which 1999 platform could run a marathon

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:57:03 2020 No.6584301

>>6584280
Wrong. Windows 98 computers from 1999 cannot run Halo.
They would need to be updated because 1999 home computers didn't have the version of DirectX that Halo requires.
Check the Halo system requirements
>DirectX 8
That didn't even exist in 1999, so it is impossible that any 1999 home computer platform could run Halo without the platform being modified/updated in a more recent year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:58:01 2020 No.6584303 >>6584301 that's not part of the rules, though. the rules specify platform, not library version.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:58:37 2020 No.6584304

>>6584295
>unless it was launched on
here, you need to take a closer look at the rules:
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

"launched" refers to the word "platforms"
"launched" does not modify the word "video games"
So if a "video game" is "on" a platform that was "launched" before "1999" then it's a "retro video game"

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:59:57 2020 No.6584306

>>6584303
>the rules specify platform
Exactly. No 1999 home computer platform could run Halo.
>not library version
The library version is not the platform. It is part of the platform however.
If there was a game that required you to replace the NES's internal hardware and software with a Nvidia 2080 and DirectX 12 would those games be retro? No.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:00:40 2020 No.6584308 >>6584306 a home computer platform that was sold in 1999 could absolutely run halo on windows 98, do you smell toast anon?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:02:29 2020 No.6584313

>>6584308
Name one home computer platform sold in 1999 that met Halo's system requirements.
>b-but if I modified the computer with stuff from later years it could run it
We're not talking about platform mods.
Name one computer model sold in 1999 that met Halo's system requirements which included DirectX 8.
Pro tip: you can't. You've lost this entire argument and need to move on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:03:21 2020 No.6584316 >>6584304 >So if a "video game" is "on" on implies released. a game can't be "on" no platform. is Mario 64 on PC? no, it was made to work with it. but it was never released for PC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:03:31 2020 No.6584318 >>6584313 >which included directx you can just download it, because it's not 1999 anymore and directx 8 did manage to come out. Are you feeling lightheaded at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:04:33 2020 No.6584320 >>6584316 if I play a game on a platform, then it's "on" that platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:05:26 2020 No.6584326 >>6584306 >Exactly. No 1999 home computer platform could run Halo. the rules don't make that distinction, though. they specify platforms from 1999 and earlier. nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:07:08 2020 No.6584331 File: 167 KB, 1300x956, average norfsman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584316 >a came can't be "on" no platform

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:08:58 2020 No.6584337

>>6584320
by your logic I should load a .ROM in literally every single emulator until one sticks. because games aren't release for specific platforms, they're just released. and will work "on" something.
that is why "released for" is implied when saying "on" in this context.
so I guess Mario 64 is on PC?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:09:05 2020 No.6584338 >>6584318 >>6584326 It appears you have no argument. Halo does not run on any 1999 platform. You could take a 1999 home computer and modify it to run Halo, but then it is no longer a 1999 platform, sold in 1999. Hahahahahaha zoomers eternally BTFO.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:09:49 2020 No.6584341 >>6584337 look at you, you're not just homebrewing rules, you're homebrewing my argument now too. Get a hold of yourself, is that the best you can do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:10:42 2020 No.6584343 >>6584338 I'm not talking about that. I'm >>6584326. I'm simply stating the rules don't specify whether a game can or can't run on a 1999 system. simply that the game must be released on a platform launched in 1999 or earlier.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:11:58 2020 No.6584348

>>6584343
>must be released
Show me where it says "released" anywhere in the rules. The rules are simple and specific enough, that you ought to just post them instead of paraphrasing them. Like this:

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:12:26 2020 No.6584349 >>6584338 but to play hitman you would need to download that game, which wasn't avaliable in any 1999 computer :^^^^^)

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:12:49 2020 No.6584351

>>6584341
that is what you're saying, though. if games aren't released for specific platforms, then they're just released. and will work "on" something, that's what you're arguing. because the official release doesn't matter, it doesn't matter that the box says "Windows 95/98", only that it works on those systems. right?
is Mario 64 on PC or not?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:14:00 2020 No.6584354 >>6584351 You'd be "emulating" the "platform" they "work on" if you were running an "emulator" to "play them" "on" your "computer", "halo" had a release specifically for the "home computer" "platform"

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:14:18 2020 No.6584357

>>6584348
>computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
it doesn't state that those games also have to be able to be ran on a 1999 home computer as you stated here >>6584338

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:15:29 2020 No.6584361

>>6584349
It doesn't matter because "game" isn't the object that needs to be available in 1999, "platform" is.
You can play Hitman on a 1999 platform, so it's retro.
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.
:^^^^^)

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:15:32 2020 No.6584362

>>6584357
he's not the one who replied to you, I was just clarifying that the only temporal condition in the rules is when the platform itself was launched. Not when the game was released. No language about if it was 'officially' for that platform. Just if you can play it on a retro platform or not.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:16:15 2020 No.6584367

>>6584354
I'm not talking about emulators. Mario 64 is running natively on PC now. so does that mean that Mario 64 in "on" PC?
>"halo" had a release specifically for the "home computer" "platform"
"home computer" encompasses several platforms. was it released for Windows 95 or 98?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:16:17 2020 No.6584368 >>6584357 >other forms of platforms so can we just conclude that neither halo nor hitman are retro?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:17:35 2020 No.6584370

>>6584367
Why wouldn't the PC port be retro? Ports are perfectly in bounds. If that's not what you're asking, why would I say it's "on PC" if i wasn't discussing the PC version specifically? Could you take your temperature and your blood pressure for me really fast anon? You might be having a healthcare emergency right now and not even realize it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:18:35 2020 No.6584372 >>6584368 any computer game that can be played on an OS that was released pre-2000 is retro. Both are retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:19:31 2020 No.6584373 >>6584370 "on" implies released for the reasons I outlined before. Mario 64 was never released for PC despite working on it. similarly to Hitman being released for/Halo working on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:20:50 2020 No.6584381 >>6584373 Mario 64 doesn't need to be "on pc" to be "retro" but PC versions of halo/hitman fall under the board's definition of retro, while console versions do not. You forgot to post your temp/BP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:22:20 2020 No.6584383 >>6584372 playing =/= released >>6584381 that's not my point. I wasn't arguing whether Mario 64 is retro but whether it's "on" PC simply because it works under it. if a game isn't released for a platform then it's not "on" it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:22:37 2020 No.6584384 >>6584381 >halo Which 1999 computer runs Halo? None. You would have to modify it with 2000 software or hardware in order for the computer to run Halo. No 1999 platform, console or computer, can run Halo without post-1999 modification.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:23:36 2020 No.6584386

>>6584383
good thing the word "release" doesn't show up in the rules at all, or I'd have to admit I was wrong.
>mario 64 PC autism
get it together anon, why don't you take a peek at the rules again?

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:23:38 2020 No.6584387 >>6584384 that's not part of the rules though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:24:37 2020 No.6584392 >>6584384 >more circular arguing aren't you dizzy by now anon

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:26:13 2020 No.6584395

>>6584386
>on platforms launched in 1999
>on
it says "on". and while it doesn't specify whether that means RELEASED or WORKING, we can assume it's the former because that's the status quo.
because games are RELEASED for platforms. they don't just WORK on things.

you'll probably just say my post is cyclical, again, but keep in mind that's because you still haven't proven me wrong. that's why I need to keep repeating myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:26:57 2020 No.6584396 Ok but how can you leverage this insight into success with the opposite sex?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:27:42 2020 No.6584401 >>6584395 I think you're broken anon, and hey, you forgot to post your temp/BP again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:28:55 2020 No.6584405 >>6584401 if you manage to prove me wrong then I'll gladly do it. but you don't seem able to. and here's an exercise, try posting a Halo thread. see if it gets deleted. because the Hitman thread is still going.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:29:56 2020 No.6584413 >>6584405 you've been proven wrong anon, you just refuse to accept it. I know I'm pretty fun to talk to and all, but you could just drop the charade if that's what you wanted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:31:00 2020 No.6584419 >>6584413 using your own arguments, point to me in the rules where it says "WORKING".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:33:46 2020 No.6584428 >>6584419 why would I do that? that's not my argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:35:06 2020 No.6584435 >>6584428 it is. your argument was that the rules proved me wrong because they say >computer games >on platforms launched in 1999 so where exactly does it specify "WORKING"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:36:13 2020 No.6584439 >>6584435 you're losing the plot more than just a little, at this point, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:36:53 2020 No.6584446 >>6584435 >on """"other"""" forms of platforms launched in 1999 windows 98 isn't a platform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:37:26 2020 No.6584450 >>6584439 no more arguments then? ok. glad to know we can finally settle on the fact that you were wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:37:52 2020 No.6584452 >>6584446 how else should you classify personal computers, by which year an individual make/model came out, regardless of which OS it's running?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:38:34 2020 No.6584459 >>6584446 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:38:53 2020 No.6584460 >>6584450 >you were wrong Nah, they're both retro, the rules are still obvious, I just want to let you off the hook since you're stressing yourself out so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:39:33 2020 No.6584462 >>6584396 Make sure you add with the opposite biological sex, you have to clarify this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:40:07 2020 No.6584464 >>6584460 unless Halo was released for Windows 95 or 98, no, they're not. >but it works under Windows 95/98 then specify in the rules where it says that's good enough to fit the definition.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:40:11 2020 No.6584465 Launched on = released on Halo was launched on/released on a 6th gen console, so that is why it will never be retro/allowed here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:42:16 2020 No.6584476 >>6584464 again, it was released on "windows" and was compatible with windows 98 >>6584465 >homebrewed board rules show us where the rules suggest that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:43:36 2020 No.6584485 >>6584476 Windows isn’t a platform. It has to have been launched on a platform that ran Windows. No 1999 home computer can run Halo and Halo was not launched for any 1999 computer platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:43:54 2020 No.6584486 >>6584476 no, Hitman was released on "Windows 95", including. there's no such things as just Windows. >show us where the rules suggest that show us where it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:44:35 2020 No.6584490 >>6584485 "On July 12, 2002, a Halo port for Windows was announced to be under development by Gearbox Software." >circular argument cope, not in the rules

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:44:42 2020 No.6584491 >>6584452 Hardware + OS + anything else required to run (e.g. DirectX/OpenGL version). Basically, if it can't run on a period-correct '90s computer, it's not eligible for /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:45:38 2020 No.6584493 >>6584486 believe it or not, old computer games used to launch with just "minimum PC requirements" and OS' offered backwards compatibility as a design feature

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:47:00 2020 No.6584504 >>6584490 Which 1999 computer platform does that port run on? No 1999 computers could run it without modifying the computer.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:47:20 2020 No.6584506

>>6584491
>period-correct 90's computer
Sure it can, you'd just need to download the software/drivers.
>inb4 this makes it not 'period correct'
computers are hardware that use software, but 'period correct computer' would certainly only refer to the hardware, unless you're suggesting you'd also roll your drivers, etc back to be 'period correct' too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:48:07 2020 No.6584510 >>6584493 it was still released on those systems. it didn't "just work".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:48:35 2020 No.6584514 >>6584510 right, but just like Halo, it was a broad release across several windows operating systems. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:49:54 2020 No.6584517 >>6584514 Hitman was released specifically for Windows 95 and 98, including. whether it was compiled that way is irrelevant. it was released for Windows 95 and 98. was Halo? or did it just so happen to work with Windows 95 and 98?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:50:54 2020 No.6584521 >>6584517 >including you're such a clown anon, you know that? >released for There's no rule about that, just what platform it's played on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:51:10 2020 No.6584523 File: 36 KB, 626x379, payne.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does this mean Max Payne is retro?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:52:07 2020 No.6584529 >>6584523 Any computer game that is compatible with/runs on a pre-2000s OS is fair game, based on the letter of the rules.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:52:50 2020 No.6584532 Does CS 1.6 have the same system requirements as Half-Life 1?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:53:43 2020 No.6584537 >>6584521 "on" implies released for. games aren't released for no platform. they can't be "on" nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:54:24 2020 No.6584538 >>6584537 On doesn't imply anything beyond you playing the game on that platform. We've talked about this anon, are you feeling alright?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:54:37 2020 No.6584539 fuck not retro fags

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:56:06 2020 No.6584546 >>6584538 we did, and you still haven't proven your point/why I'm wrong. or answered whether Mario 64 is on PC. or why the Hitman thread is still up but if you tried to make a Halo thread it'd be deleted. if you were right that wouldn't be the case.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:57:16 2020 No.6584547 >>6584546 see? you can't even keep a consistent argument, you've been getting shoved off your 'points' over and over again for several hours now. Try breaking the pills in half tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:57:59 2020 No.6584549 >>6584547 so no arguments still? glad to know you were wrong, then.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:59:09 2020 No.6584551

>>6584549
>still seething
you've done everything from homebrewing board rules to trying to obfuscate the clear and obvious definition of "on", "platform" and even "launched." You should get some rest anon, you have to be tired after all of that mental gymnastics. They're both retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:02:38 2020 No.6584559

>>6584551
they're not. otherwise modern games could be considered retro as well, since a lot of then can be made to run under Windows 98. except that goes against the board's theme. so it's safe to assume "on" means released in this context.
if you disagree, then use arguments to prove why that's wrong. and riddle me this while you're at it, why is the Hitman thread still up, but if you were to make a Halo thread it'd get deleted?
and you still haven't answered me about Mario 64. I think it needs DX12 to run, too. so, is it "on" PC?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:03:30 2020 No.6584562

>>6583784
Sorry I was wrong. Actually after rethinking about it I think it's pretty reasonable to consider Hitman Codename 47 retro. As these setences could also be interpreted as:
>Retro gaming means
>consoles on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>computer games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>arcade games (including pinball) on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Regardless, I still think Hitman is pretty gay

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:04:16 2020 No.6584564

>>6584559
Well then that's a fault of how the rules are written.
>safe to assume
you shouldn't have to make any assumptions about how to interpret them when they're written that clearly and didactically, with a demonstrable effort made to clarify points of contention (like are pinball machines "arcade games" or not). You need to just give it up, turn the computer off and stay safe out there anon.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:08:06 2020 No.6584575

>>6584506
>b-but if i modify it with post-1999 things then it can run the game
Not retro.
If the platform didn't come out in 1999, it's not retro. We're not talking about modified platforms. Do the rules say modified, updated platforms count? No so we can assume a SNES upgraded with 8TB of RAM is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:08:24 2020 No.6584578 >>6584575 >more headcanon rules just give it a rest anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:09:09 2020 No.6584581 >>6584506 >'period correct computer' would certainly only refer to the hardware Wrong. Obviously the platform includes the software.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:10:19 2020 No.6584583 >>6584172 >Games can be released after 2000 but it has to be for a platform from before 2000 So all PC games and all new indie/homebrew games/ports made for pre-2000 systems are "retro".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:10:26 2020 No.6584584 >>6584581 then why didnt you say 'period correct platform'

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:10:48 2020 No.6584585

>>6584564
perhaps. but if that was the case, that the rules are clear enough, and I was wrong, then why is that the Hitman thread if still up, but a Halo thread would be deleted instantly?
you also haven't addressed the rest of my points. where in the rules does it specify that "on" = merely working on? is Mario 64 "on" PC?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:11:20 2020 No.6584587

>>6584523
>Does this mean Max Payne is retro?
No, no 1999 platform can run it.
You could take a 1999 computer and modify it with post-1999 stuff, but then it's not a 1999 platform.
Max Payne can't run on 1999 computers because it requires DirectX 8 which wasn't released until later. You'd have to play it on a platform that has been modified after 1999, so it's not retro.
Refer to the rule listed in the sticky:
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:11:35 2020 No.6584589 >>6584583 the consensus is that if it runs on the original platform/hardware, then it is retro. If it is simply made in the 'spirit' of that era or console, and doesn't run on the original platform itself, then it's not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:12:24 2020 No.6584591 >>6584587 the rules don't specify any of that, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:12:45 2020 No.6584592 File: 667 KB, 2133x1200, cover2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584539 Aw, diddums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:12:48 2020 No.6584593 >>6584585 Because the mods on this board are awful. Why do productive threads get deleted but low post-count shitposting/waifu threads stay up for weeks? >>6584587 you're broken anon

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:14:37 2020 No.6584596

>>6584593
that's not an argument. blatant not retro threads are deleted in a timely manner. so in that regard at least the jannies are doing their job.
and you /still/ haven't addressed any of my points directly. for someone so sure of themselves you're having quite the hard time proving me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:14:53 2020 No.6584598 >>6584587 Where did you find the system requirements for Max Payne?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:15:25 2020 No.6584601

>>6584584
>then why didnt you say 'period correct platform'
What do you think "platforms launched in 1999 and earlier" means?
>>6584583
>So all PC games and all new indie/homebrew games/ports made for pre-2000 systems are "retro".
If it can run on a computer that could be purchased in 1999 computer that is unmodified with anything post-1999 then yes, it is retro for the purposes of this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:16:28 2020 No.6584605 >>6584591 >the rules don't say i can't modify my 1999 platform with 2020 software and hardware so that means i can update my 1999 platform and it's still retro!!!111 lel

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:16:41 2020 No.6584606

>>6584589
>If it is simply made in the 'spirit' of that era
This is actually what the term 'retro' means. Games like Cave Story, Shovel Knight and Axiom Verge that imitate 8-bit/16-bit games are all more retro than any of the games on this board, which are just old.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:16:41 2020 No.6584607 >>6584585 Mods will occasionally leave 1 non-retro thread up so they can laugh at all the autistic shitflinging that goes on in it. You're all being played like a piano.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:16:51 2020 No.6584609

>>6584596
>blatant not retro threads are deleted in a timely manner
Not really, just if the "mod" notices them. And shitposting/trolling is supposed to be bannable (it's reportable after all), but it's allowed, even encouraged.
>you're having a hard time proving me wrong
Not really, most people would interpret you shifting and changing your argument so many times as a series of admissions of defeat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:17:31 2020 No.6584612 No point into trying to argue with /vr/ rules. Apparently remakes are also allowed, despite the rules never stating it, so yes, you can talk about the current remake of Final Fantasy 7

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:17:50 2020 No.6584613
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>>6584598
Max Payne is retro apparently.

>>6584605
yes? the rules only specify that the platform must have been launched in 1999 or earlier. Windows 98 means it's retro.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:18:16 2020 No.6584616

>>6584598
>Where did you find the system requirements for Max Payne?
Have you ever heard of a search engine? It's a helpful thing on the internet. You can use the engines to search for information like "max payne 1 system requirements" and get answers from the results. In this case you would find out that no computer platform sold in 1999 meets the minimum system requirements for Max Payne. You could update the 1999 computer with software/hardware made after 1999, but then it's not a 1999 platform any more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:18:28 2020 No.6584618 >>6584601 >If it can run on a computer that could be purchased in 1999 computer that is unmodified with anything post-1999 then yes, it is retro for the purposes of this board. What about building a PC with the best parts from 1999?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:18:30 2020 No.6584619

>>6584601
I asked you before, if you don't group "computer game platforms" by OS, are you suggesting you do it by make/model instead? And then which part of it needs to be period accurate? Some of the hardware? All of it? Do you need period accurate rolled back software versions?
>>6584606
I'm just going by the board's rules here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:19:00 2020 No.6584621 >>6584613 >DirectX 8 >Windows ME/2000 LE NOT RETRO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:19:17 2020 No.6584623 >>6584606 No one asked you for your personal autistic "actually" definition of the word means. We're not discussing your autistic definitions, we're talking about the rule for this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:19:33 2020 No.6584627 >>6584621 >he cant even keep the act up literally embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:20:01 2020 No.6584629 File: 8 KB, 542x169, hl1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584616 Thanks, anon. I came to the conclusion that Half-Life is not compatible with a 1999 computer

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:20:17 2020 No.6584630 >>6584613 >Generic Requirements: DirectX 8 Which 1999 computer had DirectX 8? If you can name one, you win the argument. But you can't so you lose!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:21:13 2020 No.6584635 >>6584630 don't you have something you can take when you have autism attacks like this?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:21:39 2020 No.6584636

>>6584609
I said that the mods are doing a good job /in that regard/. in the regard that not retro threads are deleted in a timely fashion. because they are. even according to your own argument
>just if the "mod" notices them.
the Hitman threads has been up for long enough that any mod would've noticed it by now.

and you still haven't addressed my points. namecalling isn't an argument.
-why are Halo threads deleted but not the Hitman one?
-where do the rules specify "on" means "simply working on"?
-is Mario 64 "on" PC?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:22:53 2020 No.6584640 >>6584621 did you miss the part where it says Windows 95? >>6584630 rules don't mention DX version. only platform. platform being Windows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:23:50 2020 No.6584641 >>6584636 there's only 1 /vr/ mod, he's only on a few hours a day even. lol

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:24:02 2020 No.6584643
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>>6584629
You're not very good at using the internet, are you? Yikes lol, that's kind of cringey.
I don't know what version of Half Life you're posting about, but here's the original.
Yep, it's retro. Unlike Halo, Max Payne, or other games that can't run on a 1999 computer platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:25:05 2020 No.6584648 >>6584640 >platform being Windows Wrong. Platform =/= OS. Platform is the computer. Computer includes software like OS and drivers, and hardware like RAM and CPU. You can learn more about computers online.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:25:10 2020 No.6584649 >>6584641 >1 day and 8 hours ago a couple threads got deleted earlier, too. so someone is watching.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:25:16 2020 No.6584650 File: 379 KB, 635x466, 1587096865508.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584643 >autism attack

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:26:12 2020 No.6584652 >>6584640 You can't run directx 8 on win95, retard. That makes it a winME/2K/XP/not-retro game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:26:17 2020 No.6584653 >>6584649 what does that have to do with me saying there's only one mod

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:26:20 2020 No.6584656 >>6584648 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:27:00 2020 No.6584658 >>6584650 >y-you're autistic Not an argument. And if you have Simpsons pictures saved on your computer and are posting them, you probably are projecting and actually have autism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:27:27 2020 No.6584660 >>6584653 >he's only on a few hours a day even >thread is over a day old >other threads got deleted

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:27:50 2020 No.6584661

>>6584623
>personal
>autistic
You're just butthurt because I'm right. The very foundation of your rules can be called into question if the words in them aren't even used correctly. When you start throwing around an arbitrary cutoff date without a reasonable explanation, ambiguous and unwritten exceptions, and use erroneous terms to describe what is allowed, you kinda lose all credibility and your rules will be called into question.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:28:09 2020 No.6584662

>>6584656
This is a video game platform board, not a computing platform board anon.
It's confusing because words can mean different things in different contexts and English probably isn't your first language, but here's a list of video game platforms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_platforms

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:28:52 2020 No.6584664 >>6584652 why does the box say it's compatible with Windows 95 and 98, then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:30:08 2020 No.6584670 File: 504 KB, 1080x1080, D23oPK1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584662 >that link >personal computers >Microsoft Windows

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:30:35 2020 No.6584672

>>6584661
You can't post a non-retro thread without it getting deleted, so you're the one who has no credibility. I'm merely explaining the rules for you. Go ahead and try to make a Halo thread, or a thread for any other game that doesn't run on an unmodified 1999 computer platform, and see what happens. It will be removed like your mom should have done with your embryo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:31:16 2020 No.6584675 >>6584672 like the Hitman thread?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:31:58 2020 No.6584678

>>6584670
>Microsoft Windows
Where does it say Microsoft Windows?
It doesn't. Microsoft Windows isn't a computer, retard.
If you can show me where on that list of video game platforms it lists Microsoft Windows, I will concede. But so far you are just a pathetic faggot who wants to shitpost about Gamecube-era games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:35:44 2020 No.6584698 >>6584678 I just did you retard click "Personal computers" and then "Microsoft Windows"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:36:34 2020 No.6584705 >>6584664 false advertising obviously

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:38:22 2020 No.6584709

>>6584672
>so you're the one who has no credibility.
>No u!
The only thing you've explained to me is that you're a retarded bootlicker who blindly follows some asinine rules whose creator can't even justify with actual reasoning and also lacks the credibility to set such standards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:39:09 2020 No.6584712 >>6584672 >>6584671 Alright lets see how long this one will last

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:40:41 2020 No.6584716 >>6584660 I also said he was lazy and bad at his job. Maybe he even smells a little.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:40:49 2020 No.6584718 >>6584712 >deleted Huh? It appears normally here: >>6584671

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:41:52 2020 No.6584724 >>6584712 https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/6584671/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:41:52 2020 No.6584725 >>6584716 I don't see how given a lot of not retro threads got deleted this past couple hours

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:42:33 2020 No.6584728 >>6584725 >past couple hours right, he's awake for the 'day' lol

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:42:53 2020 No.6584729

>>6584698
>click Personal computers
Personal computer is a platform in the list of platforms.
>click "Microsoft Windows"
What? No. That's just a link under "Pages in category "Personal computers""
Can you read?
It's not listing Windows as a platform. It's just giving links to different pages that are related to the topic.
Also on the list "Market share of personal computer vendors"
Is "Market share of personal computer vendors" a platform, too then? It is by your logic. But it's not by the logic of non-retarded people.
Again, refer to the list of video game platforms to know what qualifies as a platform.
If you have to click links to get to related pages, you're no longer in the list.
Try not to be such a mongoloid and learn how to use the internet.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:44:57 2020 No.6584738

>>6584709
>blindly
I'm not blind, I've seen the rules and realized what they are.
>can't even justify
Sure it's justified, the board has to draw the line somewhere and pre-2000 video game platforms is the perfect place.
It looks like you understand the rule now and are just seething mad about what the rule is. Well, at least you're admitting what the rule is and aren't trying to argue that OS is a platform or something equally stupid. But may I suggest some meditation or a hot bubble bath for your anger problems? It's just vidya anon, relax.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:45:28 2020 No.6584741 >>6584724 >>6584712 I don't know what happened to that thread. It appears to not be deleted yet I cannot find it in the catalog. Here's another try >>6584735

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:46:53 2020 No.6584747

>>6584712
Oh dear me, that didn't last long, did it? Oh shucks.
It must be because that game can't run on an unmodified 1999 video game platform. It needs a newer version of some type of software or hardware to run.
Oh well, I guess you can try again with another game after you learn the rule and find a game that follows the rule.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:49:07 2020 No.6584754 File: 125 KB, 918x390, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584747 The thread is not deleted. See https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/6584671/ and click in the "Original" button. It's still up

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:49:38 2020 No.6584756

>>6584741
>>6584747
what I gathered from this is that I spent the last 2 hours arguing semantics with a bunch of retards and the mods themselves can't be arsed to their job properly.
either delete the fucking Hitman thread or let the CS1.6 one live. or even allow 1 (one) modern cancer general.

fucking faggots the lot of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:50:42 2020 No.6584761 >>6584754 first one's been deleted. something's fucked on your end.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:57:26 2020 No.6584779

>>6584756
>what I gathered from this is that I spent the last 2 hours arguing semantics with a bunch of retards and the mods themselves can't be arsed to their job properly.
>I am fully realizing I just lost this entire argument and now I'm seething even harder.
LMAO.
By the way, Hitman only requires 64MB of RAM. Lots of computers from 1999 can run it. However 1999 computers can't run Counter Strike 1.6.
>fucking faggots the lot of you.
>waaaaaaahhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:59:58 2020 No.6584787 >>6584779 Alright prepare to be BTFO now https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/6510254/#6510254 >b-but remakes don't cout nowhere in the rules it says that remakes are retro Looks like I win another internet argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:03:23 2020 No.6584798 >>6584787 Yes, remakes are fine. Stay mad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:04:06 2020 No.6584803 >>6584798 Where does it say it in the rules?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:05:30 2020 No.6584807

>>6584803
It doesn't need to say it in the rules, little autistic one. The community has decided, and this is the way it is, and there's nothing you can do to change it. But, you can keep providing fresh lolz by seething harder about your Halo not being able to be discussed here.
How does it make you feel, anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:06:35 2020 No.6584810 >>6584807 i never ever mentioned halo but ok

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:06:52 2020 No.6584813 >>6584807 >It doesn't need to say it in the rules >the community has decided yes, the 'community' is definitely in accord in threads like these.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:10:11 2020 No.6584818 File: 9 KB, 267x189, 1594264132240.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584817

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:10:44 2020 No.6584819 [DELETED]

>>6584738
>Sure it's justified, the board has to draw the line somewhere and pre-2000 video game platforms is the perfect place.
I mean, yeah, drawing the line at the year 2000 is pretty cool and convenient, but are we really going to determine what is allowed on here based solely on age? Surely hardware specs and design philosophy would have just as much of a role if not have a larger impact. For example, Shenmue for the Sega Dreamcast is much closer in age, hardware specs, design philosophy and complexity to The Last of Us 2 on PS4 than it is to Tabble Tennis on the Magnavox Odyssey. There's also the issue of games that came out after 2000, ports of post-2000 games to /vr/ systems, remakes and PC games. If you want things to be clear-cut and simple, just ban any games that came out in 2000 or later, even if they play on pre-2000 hardware, since your criteria is entirely centered around the year 2000. But since you do allow games released in 2000+ for pre-2000 game systems, that means you have to allow every new game and port that's released for pre-2000 hardware, even PC. Speaking of PC, it's never stated that custom built PCs aren't allowed, so a PC built with the absolute best parts on the market from 1999 could in theory run most modern games at low settings.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:14:00 2020 No.6584828

>>6584818
You can't make a thread about a game that only runs on 2000 or later platforms (besides remakes of course) without it getting deleted and it makes you seeeeeeethe.
How long will you keep crying for all of our entertainment? It's been years and I hope you never stop!

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:14:56 2020 No.6584831

>>6584738
>Sure it's justified, the board has to draw the line somewhere and pre-2000 video game platforms is the perfect place.
I mean, yeah, drawing the line at the year 2000 is pretty cool and convenient, but are we really going to determine what is allowed on here based solely on age? Surely hardware specs and design philosophy would have just as much of a role if not have a larger impact. For example, Shenmue for the Sega Dreamcast is much closer in age, hardware specs, design philosophy and complexity to The Last of Us 2 on PS4 than it is to Tabble Tennis on the Magnavox Odyssey. There's also the issue of games that came out after 2000, ports of post-2000 games to /vr/ systems, remakes and PC games. If you want things to be clear-cut and simple, just ban any games that came out in 2000 or later, even if they play on pre-2000 hardware, since your criteria is entirely centered around the year 2000. But since you do allow games released in 2000+ for pre-2000 game systems, that means you have to allow every new game and port that's released for pre-2000 hardware, even PC. Speaking of PC, it's never stated that custom built PCs aren't allowed, so a PC built with the absolute best parts on the market from 1999 could in theory run most modern games at low settings.

A better standard would be to allow games and platforms based on the generation they were released in in. For example, only Gen 4 and earlier would be allowed on /vr/. Your standards are a fucking joke when there's 8 Generations of video games and almost 6 of them + PC (which can run modern games) are allowed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:17:59 2020 No.6584839 >>6584828 Don't worry I will never stop

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:19:11 2020 No.6584841

>>6584831
>bunch of bullshit
>blogpost
>a PC built with the absolute best parts on the market from 1999 could in theory run most modern games at low settings
>my idea is do it this way
>Your standards are a fucking joke
ROFL. Yes, great ideas anon, the rules will be changed any minute now thanks to your post. Keep holding your breath.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:20:24 2020 No.6584843 >>6584841 >can't keep the routine up >getting desperate yikes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 00:40:39 2020 No.6585035 >>6578982 >CECHE01 is far more reliable lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:29:40 2020 No.6585538 imagine being this much of a gatekeeper. piss off robert

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:40:09 2020 No.6585553 >>6585538 NEVER EVER zoomer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:42:01 2020 No.6585557 >>6585553 >gets upset and flees thread earlier >bumps it again at 5am Cucked and retardedpilled

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:02:02 2020 No.6585615 >>6572271 was he a poo in loo probably had a very small peepee

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 09:26:21 2020 No.6586035 Ever since the latest round of janitor-hirings the moderating in here went from bad to worse, holy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:12:43 2020 No.6587235 >>6583352 install freemcboot disable fast boot enable skip disc boot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:18:09 2020 No.6587246 >>6585557 Is that the best you've got?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 21:08:05 2020 No.6587870 >>6568451 Go outside and get a CRT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 22:21:12 2020 No.6588042 >>6587870 >become a CRTranny No thanks jew.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 00:20:25 2020 No.6588250
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>400+ replies
The funny part is that the entire reason this thread exists is that some asshurt kiddo wants to discuss the PS2 on /vr/, and doesn't particularly care how he does it. Looks like he won this round.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:45:51 2020 No.6588629 >>6588250 Where should I play Viewtiful Joe, on PS2 or GCN?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:49:07 2020 No.6588635 >>6588629 Gamecube, as Kamiya intended. >>6588250 Moderation on /vr/ since the pandemic started has been abysmal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:52:22 2020 No.6588641 >>6588629 PS2 for Dante

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:54:27 2020 No.6588647 >>6588629 GCN first to play it with the best performance, then if you're a DMC fan you can try the PS2 game for the Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series (tm)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:05:48 2020 No.6588670 >>6588641 >>6588647 Wait, that joke was isn't only about Nocturne? Also, will try it on GCN first.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:06:13 2020 No.6589528 >>6568458 holy kek

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:15:12 2020 No.6589549

>>6578758
I hate when Reddit wannabe intellectual neckbeards try to act like "um uh retro games are a different style bro" like no they're really not. Not to the stuff that came out literally the same year, or is the PS1's launch lineup not retro compared to the SNES's later years? If the console came out before or while most of the internet was composed of HTML pages, it's fucking retro.
The styles aren't different either. PS2 games might have had a drastically expanded scope compared to 5th gen games, but they retained the most important thing: the soul.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:28:13 2020 No.6589582
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Cutoff should be moved to 2002 and apply to games, not consoles. It was the Dreamcast's last year, we can still talk about all the best 6th gen titles, most of the internet looked like Angelfire sites, Newgrounds was still relevant, and 5th gen had exclusively shovelware and sportsball current year after 2002.
Most importantly, all homebrew is soulless trash that misses what made original retro games great, and it's not only autistic but disingenuous to allow shitty Genesis homebrew from 2019 on this board while actual classics such as Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X and Midnight Club 1 are disallowed here.
If you disagree you need to have pic related.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 13:34:15 2020 No.6589738 >>6589582 Based, fuck indieshit and Make Sixth Gen Retro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 13:39:31 2020 No.6589749 >>6589738 How about fuck indieshit and fuck sixth gen by allowing only pre 2000 games?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 13:46:14 2020 No.6589762
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>>6589582
I would say make the new cutoff be any system/game that was made before December 31st, 2004. 2005 is where gaming truly went to shit: the death of the Gameboy line and being replaced with the DS, the death of Sega-CSK and being bought by Sammy, and the beginning of the horrendous seventh generation.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:09:22 2020 No.6589818

>>6588250
>Looks like I won this round.
Sure you did kiddo.
Discussing PS2 hardware for the purpose of playing PS1 games is fine, and that's what's been happening. But try making a thread about PS2 games, it will get deleted. Face it, you will never be able to talk about Gamecube, Xbox, or PS2 games here, and every additional year that goes by and you're still autistically begging just makes it more funny for us and more humiliating for you.
>>6589549
>>6589582
>>6589762
LMAO cope. Never happening. Delusional retards. Keep posting cringe, babbies!
Upload timestamped picture of your tears!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:28:00 2020 No.6589885 >>6589818 >But try making a thread about PS2 games, it will get deleted and yet a PC game released in 2000 is fine >>6579970

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 14:34:48 2020 No.6589917 >>6582483 this is actually autistic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:46:12 2020 No.6590131 File: 73 KB, 1406x1250, 61Q2bUficPL._AC_SL1500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All modern TVs support Composite through 3.5mm. Unless you got a Walmart brand. Some will even support composite this way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:48:20 2020 No.6590142 >>6590131 The fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:52:12 2020 No.6590153 >>6568451 Replies: 441 Posters: 95

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:54:01 2020 No.6590158 >>6589885 Yes, because it runs on a 1999 platform (1999 home computer) as the one rule of the board explicitly states, imagine that. COPE little autismo. 5 gen gang out

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 15:54:06 2020 No.6590159 File: 34 KB, 1000x1000, 3-5mm-AUX-To-3-RCA-Adapter-Video-Cable-Male-to-Female-Component-Green-Blue-Red.jpg_q50.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6590142 What

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:04:54 2020 No.6590340 >>6590153 What are you trying to say?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:13:43 2020 No.6590359 >>6590158 This, and mostly important: it is a SINGLE PLAYER game

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:19:30 2020 No.6590379 >>6590359 Why does that matter? The earliest videogame was multiplayer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:22:36 2020 No.6590393 >>6590379 Online multiplayer I meant. Single player games released in 2000 that runs on a 90's computer are retro (ie Hitman Codename 47) Online multiplayer games released in 2000 that runs on a 90's computer are not retro (ie Counter-Strike)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:55:33 2020 No.6590628 >>6568451 Ps2 to hdmi. Works like a charm for me OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:57:42 2020 No.6590638 >>6590393 False flagging retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:01:35 2020 No.6590651 >>6590638 see >>6590638 You know by saying this you're admitting that the mods have retarded reasoning to deleting threads

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:40:06 2020 No.6590792 >>6589818 I'm not the OP, though. Are you okay?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 01:17:04 2020 No.6591647 >>6584384 by this logic emulation is not allowed because a massive amount of emulators came past 2000

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:24:37 2020 No.6591785 >>6589749 Come on nigga. r/retrogaming even excludes the Dreamcast. Why would you want to be on the same page as Reddit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:27:21 2020 No.6591789 >>6588629 While we're on the topic of PS2 vs GC multiplats, which console has the better version of Alien Hominid? I've heard the PS2 is bad at 2D, but the d-pad is way bigger than the Cube's and the game is twice cheaper for the PS2

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:53:32 2020 No.6591830 >>6590158 >Yes, because it runs on a 1999 platform (1999 home computer) as the one rule of the board explicitly states That's not how the rules work

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 03:00:39 2020 No.6591850 >>6591789 Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 03:01:56 2020 No.6591854 >>6591830 Yes it is how the rule works. 5th gen gang just shat on 6th gen's face

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 03:08:35 2020 No.6591870 >>6591854 By that logic, any PC game that I can get to run on 1999 hardware is considered retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 03:32:15 2020 No.6591927 >>6568451 With a HDMI cable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 09:13:37 2020 No.6592475 >>6589818 The PS2 should be allowed here because it had a lot of classic games and retro collections.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 09:24:35 2020 No.6592493 >>6591785 All that says is that reddit has higher standards than here.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 09:34:55 2020 No.6592509

>>6592493
it's not a problem that you can't talk about dreamcast on reddit's retrogaming subreddit cause you can post on the 6th gen subreddit instead. Or the game series' subreddit. Or if the game is popular enough, its own subreddit.
The point is, 4chan only has a finite number of boards, some of which are absolutely unnecessary like >>>/bant/, therefore you don't have as many place to post. And your post can be archived quick as hell (as opposed to after six months)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 09:52:02 2020 No.6592534 >>6576693 >2014 >dreamcast launched in 1999 so it's retro >ps2 launched in 2000 so it's not retro >2020 >dreamcast launched in 1999 so it's retro >ps2 launched in 2000 so it's not retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 10:20:14 2020 No.6592563 This board is a autism containment board, keeps all the retro nutjobs in their own little cubby arguing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 13:58:17 2020 No.6593078 >>6591870 Yes. If it was launched for unmodified 1999 home computers it is considered retro. It's not just 1999 hardware but also the software (OS, DirectX, drivers...)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:12:36 2020 No.6593113 >>6593078 >Yes. If it was launched for unmodified 1999 home computers it is considered retro. How do you prove that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:13:27 2020 No.6593116 >>6593078 Then Max Payne and Serious Sam threads shouldn't get deleted because they can run on pre-y2k computers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:17:11 2020 No.6593132 >>6593113 To laugh at & deride manchildren like you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:18:17 2020 No.6593138 >>6593132 I said how not why

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:19:40 2020 No.6593145 >>6593116 No, Serious Sam needs a non-retro version of some drivers. Not sure about Max Payne. >>6593113 Check the sticky. Platforms from before 2000.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:21:28 2020 No.6593150
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>>6593145
>Platforms from before 2000
That's meaningless when it comes to PCs.
We have a thread that hit bump limit about a PC game released right at the end of 2000.
How can you prove it was made for 1999 hardware and not 2000 hardware?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:23:01 2020 No.6593157 >>6578742 >battle assault 2 goddamn nigger im downloading dat shit now

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:24:50 2020 No.6593162 File: 43 KB, 364x411, 1567497492247.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6593145 Serious Sam can use pre-2000 versions of OpenGL, and Max Payne has DX7 support.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:28:17 2020 No.6593171 >>6593162 But they're 2001 PC games, so, not retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:28:37 2020 No.6593172 >>6593171 >>6579970

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:32:32 2020 No.6593185 >>6593172 PC games from 2000 get a pass, but not 2001 and onward, don't ask me why, that's just how the janny works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:36:47 2020 No.6593194 File: 137 KB, 300x300, 622.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6593185 Is it because he doesn't want people talking about Grand Theft Auto III?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:38:10 2020 No.6593198 >>6593194 That was released on PC in 2002

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:39:09 2020 No.6593204 >>6593150 Does it work on a 1999 computer or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:39:14 2020 No.6593205 >>6593198 and also runs well on a Voodoo 3 and Pentium III 750mhz.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:42:07 2020 No.6593215 >>6593204 That's not the deciding factor.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 14:58:07 2020 No.6593245

>>6593204
>>6593185
Windows 98 compatibility allows for discussion of lots of PC games released in the early 2000s. Even in to the mid and late 2000s, lots of software and hardware was released with built-in Windows 98 compatibility, even the DirectX 8.0 argument can be discounted because it was designed to be Win98 compatible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:04:27 2020 No.6593262 >>6593185 What about Counter Strike?

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:07:15 2020 No.6593269

>>6593215
Yes, check the sticky. The game needs to have been launched on a 1999 platform like a console or home computer.
>>6593245
No, DirectX 8.0 was not released before 2000. No home computer before 2000 had DirectX 8.0
You would need to modify a 1999 computer with 2000 software in order to play DirectX 8.0 games. That's not retro.
With your logic, Fortnight would be retro if a hacker found a way to make it work on Windows 98 using software made in the 2000s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:08:20 2020 No.6593271 >>6593269 >The game needs to have been launched on a 1999 platform like a console or home computer Again, how do you prove that a game released at the end of 2000 was made for a 1999 home computer?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:15:09 2020 No.6593290 >>6593271 Again, if it works on a 1999 computer. Really not hard to comprehend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:15:41 2020 No.6593292 >>6593269 >Fortnight would be retro if a hacker found a way to make it work on Windows 98 using software made in the 2000s. If they made it to run on a Dreamcast instead it would be allowed here, so would a Win98 port not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:15:45 2020 No.6593293 >>6593290 So any game that can run on a 1999 computer is retro?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:16:05 2020 No.6593296 >>6591789 Cube, without a doubt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:17:07 2020 No.6593302 >jannies leaving up not just one but two off-topic non-/vr/-legal threads based

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:21:19 2020 No.6593310 >>6593293 Yes an unmodified 1999 computer. No hardware or software modification. >>6593292 >if i zoomed could i zoom zoom

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:22:17 2020 No.6593313 >>6593269 You are making up your own rules For computer games, rule is the game's release date Not the hardware it runs on, not the OS it runs on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:22:27 2020 No.6593314 >>6593292 >If they made it to run on a Dreamcast instead it would be allowed here No it wouldn't. The Halo Dreamcast thread got axed yesterday.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:22:52 2020 No.6593316 >>6593310 >No hardware or software modification Clarify what you mean by software modification

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:24:11 2020 No.6593321 >>6593310 Installing software is not modification. Do you know how computers work? Computers are by nature modular and extensible. What you think the rule means, not only is wrong, but makes no sense as a rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:25:44 2020 No.6593328 >>6593314 >>6593310 It was clearly a bait thread to talk about the PC version instead (assuming the mods aren't abusing their powers of course). How would it be any different from a regular Homebrew released today?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:28:42 2020 No.6593335 >>6593310 So is Counter Strike retro?

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:41:08 2020 No.6593361

>>6593313
Wrong. The rule is clear. Platforms in 1999 and earlier.
>>6593316
Installing drivers or APIs or anything else. Do you know what the word software means?
>>6593321
>Installing software to modify the interactions between the OS and hardware isn't modification

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:44:41 2020 No.6593369 >>6593335 Which version are you referring to? I think 1.6 requires DirectX 9.0 which no home computers in 1999 had, so not retro. Doesn't run on a 1999 platform. Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:48:47 2020 No.6593376 >>6593369 1.6 is the retail version, and only requires DX7.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:50:45 2020 No.6593382 >>6593369 Where did you get that information from? DirectX 9.0 came out in December 19, 2002. It didn''t even exist when CS 1.6 was released

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:58:04 2020 No.6593394
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>>6593361
>Installing drivers or APIs or anything else. Do you know what the word software means?
You're not getting what I'm saying.
Let me ask you this:
Worms World Party came out in 2001 on PC and Dreamcast. On PC it runs on Win9x/2k/ME/XP.
Do you consider both the PC and Dreamcast versions of this game retro or only the Dreamcast version?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:59:18 2020 No.6593398 >>6593376 >>6593382 Ok, I don't know the system requirements for Counter Strike. I don't play faggot ass games like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:00:27 2020 No.6593403 No point posting in this thread anymore. New meta thread: >>6593350 >>6593350 >>6593350

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:31:30 2020 No.6593481 >>6593403 >Hitman thread deleted So it's settled. No PC game released after 1999 is considered retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:33:54 2020 No.6593485 >>6593481 Friendly reminder that Gamecube, PS2, and Xbox will never be retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:35:45 2020 No.6593493 >>6593485 And neither is Hitman: Codename 47 released in 2000 for a 90's computer

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:53:43 2020 No.6593546 >>6593481 Based. No console game after 1999 should be allowed too, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:07:05 2020 No.6593567 >>6593493 Ok, no one cares though. What does matter is that Gamecube, PS2, and Xbox will never be retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:09:55 2020 No.6593575 >>6593567 Ok, but it is already clear in the rules so there's no point debating about it

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 18:04:59 2020 No.6593718
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>>6593310
>No hardware or software modification.
Says who? You can't just make up new rules, if a game runs on Win98 it doesn't matter if the computer was made after 1999. For example, you could install Windows 98 on a Pentium 4 and play American McGee's Alice on it, and that would be perfectly retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 18:55:22 2020 No.6593862 >>6593575 Correct, all that matters is that 6th gen is not allowed.

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