ITT: Horrendous game design in retro games

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Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:05:13 2020 No.6564523 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: Horrendous game design in retro games

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:07:21 2020 No.6564527 SEGA SYSTEM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:11:11 2020 No.6564534 >>6564523 Alright, post some examples.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:11:51 2020 No.6564535 not funny

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:14:22 2020 No.6564538

Carnival sucks because it's riddled with on-rails mindless segments and awkward, convoluted level design. People give Sonic CD shit for having "messy" level design, Sonic CD's levels are all masterpieces compared to carnival.
The mini boss also sucks badly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 08:57:34 2020 No.6564596 >>6564523 Can't say I had any problems with that. The stage shows you (before THAT ONE part) on multiple occasions what the drums do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 09:30:54 2020 No.6564661 >>6564596 I don't see how it shows you. There are drums before that part, but if people had trouble figuring them out when required to, what makes you think they'd figure them out when they're unnecessary?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 09:32:26 2020 No.6564667 File: 104 KB, 690x588, zoomer_sonic3.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6564523

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:09:50 2020 No.6564724 >>6564538 False. Carnival Night has many ocasions where you can skip large parts of the levels. In fact you can finish act 1 in less than a minute if you know what you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:12:44 2020 No.6564730 >>6564724 When being able to skip parts of the level is a positive, you figure it's not a fun level. I still have nostalgia for it but it really is one of the worst zones in Sonic games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:15:25 2020 No.6564736 >>6564523 Honestly I don't think this is a bullshit or zoomer complaint. I remember getting stuck there when I was like 11 playing it. I agree that they could have done more to convey to the player what exactly you were supposed to do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:16:59 2020 No.6564740 >>6564736 Forgot to mention this was in 2005 on a Genesis, before people start jumping down my throat about being a zoomer or emulation or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:17:54 2020 No.6564742 File: 751 KB, 856x633, 1593458694295.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6564523

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:25:06 2020 No.6564758 >>6564523 git gud

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:28:42 2020 No.6564765
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I just finished a playthrough of Zelda 2 and holy fuck is enemy blocking just a pointless mechanic. It would be pretty fun to fight these in theory but in reality they just make them instantly block most of your attacks anyway. Like there's no way you're going to perfectly hit a darknut each time without being blocked through skill, it's just luck. They might as well have just done away with the blocking and given these enemies random amounts of health, the gameplay would be pretty much the same.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:36:18 2020 No.6564783 >>6564765 You're supposed to block their attacks and then immediately counter attack, it works every time. Did you actually beat the game? I'm baffled if you were able to get that far without knowing this.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:39:18 2020 No.6564789

>>6564742
This level is brutal and was the filter of many kids but let's be honest, Virgin disney games in general had shitty level design and controls, and the main attraction was the graphics and music.
There's worse levels on Lion King, such as the one with the waterfall logs, or the laval level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:41:08 2020 No.6564794 >>6564765 >>6564783 You can also use the jump attack method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNxTQ71siDg

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 10:42:42 2020 No.6564796 >>6564765 Did you not figure out how to pogo sword?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 11:04:19 2020 No.6564851 >>6564796 Doesn't work on Iron Knuckles or most tougher enemies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 11:07:28 2020 No.6564857 >>6564796 uuuuuuwing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 11:12:17 2020 No.6564864 >>6564730 Bring able to skip parts of the level is a reward for exploration and encourage replayability. So yeah, shortcuts are positive

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 11:18:35 2020 No.6564874

>>6564523
ITT: zoomers and people who were “the dumb one” in their childhood friend groups.

I refuse to believe anyone actually got stuck here. I played this game constantly as a kid and didn’t even hear people start to complain about this until at least a decade later.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 12:04:54 2020 No.6564956

>>6564874
It would be extremely straight forward if there wasn't a red herring that *actually works*. You can jump up and down and time it just right to get past it, but doing so takes ages. It's not unreasonable to think that you just need to git gud at timing the jumps, and not even realise that you're supposed to press up and down instead.

If the barrel didn't rock up and down when you jump on it, presenting a fake solution that actually can work but will probably get you a time over trying to get it right, nobody would have ever gotten stuck on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 12:21:54 2020 No.6564974 >>6564534 >Alright, post some examples. How can you "go fast" when you can barely see ahead of yourself and there's barrels and walls everywhere? Pure trash.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 12:22:27 2020 No.6564976 >>6564789 The stage was broken on the snes version

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 12:28:01 2020 No.6564987 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BARREL MEME XD

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 12:53:22 2020 No.6565037 >>6564523 Ultimate pleb filter

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:25:46 2020 No.6565121 >>6564523 The barrel is super easy to get past, just use debug mode retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:26:32 2020 No.6565124 >>6565121 big brain solution

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:29:37 2020 No.6565138 >>6565121 Do you know how hard it is to get to the level select in Sonic 3

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:31:52 2020 No.6565145 >>6565138 then just & knuckles

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:39:40 2020 No.6565161 >>6564976 Nah it's not. You can still get past that hippo part easily.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:39:42 2020 No.6565162

>>6564956
I can concede that it’s definitely a stupid obstacle, but not so much that it needed to become the filter meme it is today. I don’t remember ever acknowledging this barrel. Maybe a friend or family member told me how to do it, but nobody ever talked about how they just turned the game off because of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 13:40:18 2020 No.6565165 >>6565138 Pressing up up down down up up up up quickly is hard?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 14:03:04 2020 No.6565223 >>6564765 I agree that these guys are a pain in the ass, but there actually is a rhythm you can figure out that pretty much guarantees consistent safe hits

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 14:46:12 2020 No.6565332 >>6565165 This thread wouldn’t exist if people didn’t think so.

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 15:26:24 2020 No.6565425

>>6565165
>To access a level select and debug mode, press Up, Up, Down, Down, Up, Up, Up, Up after the SEGA logo screen fades to black and Sonic begins to move, but before the title screen appears (about 4.31 seconds after boot). You only have about 1.3 seconds to enter it, and due to this screen having an absolutely ridiculous number of lag frames, it may not always work

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 15:31:25 2020 No.6565435 >>6564765 I always saved my experience points for Attack, maxed that out before touching other stats, then one-shotted these fuckers. Game is pretty easy when you do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 15:39:25 2020 No.6565449 File: 27 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6564523

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 15:40:54 2020 No.6565453 >>6564742 Literally designed to filter you so you don't beat it over the weekend from a Blockbuster rental

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 15:50:12 2020 No.6565473 >>6565449 You sunnuva bitch

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 16:05:54 2020 No.6565505 >>6564730 totally based fuck carnival night

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 18:44:05 2020 No.6565846 File: 190 KB, 640x448, more fun than a barrel of hedgehogs.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6564523

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 18:50:12 2020 No.6565856 File: 66 KB, 968x726, 1593378400831.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how am i suposed to know i have to jump wtf?????

Anonymous Wed Jul 1 18:54:12 2020 No.6565860
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Metroid would be a great game that still holds up today if it weren't for the fact that every time you died you start with 30 health and have to sit and shoot chump enemies for 5 minutes to get back to reasonable health. honestly a very good game held back by a really dumb and pointless choice

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:02:30 2020 No.6565879 >>6564974 get good stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:07:10 2020 No.6565892 >>6565860 How is this a problem? There's nothing challenging you have to do between the first tank and starting the game. There's nothing challenging about the game that would cause you to die after that either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:10:30 2020 No.6565901 >>6564523 This stumped me so much as a kid that I would just reset the game whenever I got near this part and replay the levels. Made me an absolute expert at the first levels at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:18:39 2020 No.6565916 >is shit at simple videogames >"B-BAD DESIGN!! STUPID GAME I HATE YOU! MOOOOOM!!!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:29:00 2020 No.6565932 >>6565860 Just use save states if that bothers you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:30:12 2020 No.6565936 >cant press down in a game where you press down constantly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 19:36:42 2020 No.6565947 File: 1.01 MB, 1378x1080, shit game.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6565916

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 21:46:22 2020 No.6566191 >>6565947 More like shit player

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 22:02:50 2020 No.6566228 >>6566191 >game about going fast >but you can't go TOO fast or else the game bugs out lol

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 14:00:56 2020 No.6567545

>>6565947
This is the worst thing about Sonic 2 in my opinion. There are a ridiculous amount of bugs involving Super Sonic. The worst one is if you jump after reaching the goalpost or opening the capsule and the game hangs forever, forcing a reset. There's also one in Wing Fortress, during the cutscene at the very end where Sonic runs to the end of the platform and looks at the Death Egg, if you're Super Sonic then he runs straight off the edge. They clearly didn't test Super Sonic at all.

I had such a bad experience trying to finish Sonic 2 with all the emeralds, as a result of all the glitched deaths and game freezes, that I hate Sonic 2 now, even though I love 1 and 3&K (and like CD).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 14:06:29 2020 No.6567558 >>6567545 I don't get why people act like Super Sonic is a core part of the game. As a kid I only got all of the emeralds maybe three times.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 14:53:19 2020 No.6567651 >>6567558 It isn't. It's a bonus for fucking around with. Some people are just looking for reasons to complain.

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 15:02:41 2020 No.6567685

>>6567558
>>6567651
If your bonus for actually completing the game properly is something that kills you and crashes the game at unexpected moments, that's poor game design.

I shouldn't have to purposely not complete the game in order for the game to work properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:33:44 2020 No.6567873 >>6565892 >There's nothing challenging about the game that would cause you to die after that either. I finished Metroid under one hour and even I can say this is bait.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:35:25 2020 No.6567878 >>6564974 >How can you "go fast" Gotta go fast shit didn't start until Adventure and Advance. >>6564667 Stop lying. >>6564736 Stop lying. >>6564874 Stop lying >>6565449 In the mobile version that instead leads to Hidden Palace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:38:41 2020 No.6567885 >>6567878 >>>6564736 >Stop lying. Why would I lie about this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:40:03 2020 No.6567892 >>6567685 >I shouldn't have to purposely not complete the game in order for the game to work properly. You do realise that you can collect all emeralds and not have to morph into super Sonic, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:44:18 2020 No.6567902 >>6567892 That's only in Sonic 3, in Sonic 2, jumping with 50 rings transforms you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:45:42 2020 No.6567904 >>6567885 Because that's not -the- barrel. You're only pretending to have played Sonic 3.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:52:28 2020 No.6567917 >>6567878 how is an image lying?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 16:59:44 2020 No.6567930 >>6564523 See: >>6557484

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:01:06 2020 No.6567934 >>6567930 Completely unrelated notion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:08:44 2020 No.6567954 >>6567902 Oh yeah. Well, I've never experienced a problem other than the spike pit in Mystic Caverns. Never heard anyone even mention other issues, so perhaps >>6567685 just isn't good at controlling super Sonic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:14:58 2020 No.6567968 >there's a dpad and one button and zoomers still couldn't figure it out

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:30:13 2020 No.6567997
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>>6564523
Can somebody please post the picture where it's the barrel edited together with the fucking Phanto mask and Kefka's body and a bunch of other shit, thank you, I saw it a couple times here and have been looking for it forever, I would be forever in your debt

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:33:47 2020 No.6568012 File: 107 KB, 578x619, captcha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6564523

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 17:39:20 2020 No.6568023 >>6568012 fucking noko with a windows xp styled button when is this screenshot from

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 00:17:49 2020 No.6568694 >>6567954 t. Sonicuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 04:47:36 2020 No.6569064 >>6568023 saged

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 05:05:45 2020 No.6569079 >>6565932 There's the zoomer.

Anonymous Fri Jul 3 05:06:56 2020 No.6569080
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>>6568012
I knew others must've gotten stuck there too. Earlier in the level they showed the exact same objects either moving on their own or not being influenced by up & down buttons at all. So I always got stuck there for some time. I got around by jumping up and down in sequence to get the barrel just low enough to slip through. Still this took multiple minutes. I always wondered why they'd design it so that it'd take multiple minutes just at this part to get past up until I discovered that up & down movement and while performing that for the very 1st time, and still mentally facepalming, it killed me be going too far up, squishing me.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 06:24:49 2020 No.6569158 >>6567904 Why would I pretend to have played Sonic 3 if I actually haven't

Anonymous Fri Jul 3 06:47:10 2020 No.6569192

>>6567545

This is what I love about Super Sonic in Sonic 2: it's fucked up! They clearly didn't test it or know what they were doing and the results are hilarious.

It kind of reminds me of when they introduced 200cc in the Mario Kart 8 dlc. They were just like, 'we don't really know what's gonna happen here, we're just gonna sort of put this in and uh... enjoy!'

Introducing fucked-up game-breaking physics in special circumstances in a game is brilliant. I have fond memories of my sister activating Super Sonic and freaking out about how fast he was and how it actually made the game harder.

I will give you this: they should have made Super Sonic something you choose to activate more carefully, perhaps by jumping and pushing select, rather than the double jump thing which is easy to do accidentally, especially for a kid. You should be allowed to collect all the chaos emeralds without having to worry about Super Sonic bullshit and having all your rings drained against your will.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 06:50:01 2020 No.6569194 >>6569192 Wait. Correcting myself here: it was actually just a single jump to activate Super Sonic in Sonic 2, wasn't it? That's why I remember it being such bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 06:51:33 2020 No.6569198 >>6569194 >that’s why I remember it being so bullshit You know what I remember? Reading your post and muttering “bullshit” to myself. Stupid fucking zoombie

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 07:11:50 2020 No.6569225 >>6565860 Thankfully there was ROM hacks that exist for that sort of thing. There's a good one that restores SRAM saves, adds a mini-map, addresses the energy issue, and also allows you to combine the wave and ice beams.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 07:14:29 2020 No.6569230 >>6569194 Yeah, which is why all later Sonic games have a separate button for activating your super form, instead of merely needing to jump. Even Sonic Mania adopted it, after Sonic ROM hacks had been doing it for ages.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 3 09:03:54 2020 No.6569369 >>6565449 That's why I don't feel bad using the debug mode code. Turn into an item and scroll back up.

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