HOMM/MM (Heroes of) Might & Magic(:Heroes) General:

[Anonymous No.6555079]

Brokeback Factory Edition
HOMM/MM pastebin: https://pastebin.com/6G9B1cMA
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[Anonymous No.6555149]

>pic
...why? If you hate HotA so much, why even mention it? I just want a fucking comfy HoMM thread, not a "hotahate thread".

[Anonymous No.6555195]

>>6555149
I don't see hate, I see a beautiful expression of love

[Anonymous No.6555197]

>>6555079
NOT RETRO

[Anonymous No.6555214]

bleh

[Anonymous No.6555281]

Am I fucked or there's some way to fix this bug? I can't attack this castle, just "walk" inside it. It has a garrison of course.

[Anonymous No.6555429]

>>6555149
>I just want a fucking comfy HoMM thread, not a "hotahate thread".
You could do your part by not being ultra defensive and bitching in the literal first reply because you assumed topical memeing was visceral hatred.

[Anonymous No.6555510]

Speaking of worst hero: every e*gle e*e specialist, none of them are good but this one is the wost for being a wizard.

[Anonymous No.6555559]

So do enemies respawn in main MM6-8 games?

[Anonymous No.6555765]

>>6555559
They do on the world map every 6 months-2 years depending on the area. Not sure if they do in dungeons.

[Anonymous No.6556104]

>>6555510
Straker

[Anonymous No.6556119]

>>6555765
In MM6 dungeons reset every 2 years, Hive - every week.

[Anonymous No.6556329]

ssssssssacha

[Anonymous No.6556390]

>>6555079
I hate the last of us 2 leftist propaganda!
I like abby I want her to rape me, with her superior steroids feminine figure mmMM

[Anonymous No.6556393]

>>6556104
>Straker
+1 speed to zombies/walking dead and starting with haste is not the worst, starting with walking dead could be useful if you but him as a defencive hero in a small siege where you just have to hold out untill the towers shoot everyone

[Anonymous No.6556496]

>>6556152
>reached bump limit
>Now this is what a HoMM/MM thread should be.
But at what cost?

[Anonymous No.6556519]

Why are the maps for 3D HOMM games so terrible? especially campaign maps
>HOMM3 campaign maps
>tons of paths that connect tons of different zones
>3D HOMM campaign maps
>a few towns and a road that conects the towns, where there are some resources and building along the way
what the fuck? It looks like the 3D maps are 10x smaller than 2D maps, in terms of how many "tiles" there are

[Anonymous No.6556524]

>>6556519
Idk I barely remember HoMM5 and their stupid bondage elves and anagram characters

[Anonymous No.6556539]

>>6556524
>anagram characters
what

[Anonymous No.6556557]

>>6556539
Agrael/Raelag
It was awful

[Anonymous No.6556609]

>>6555079
>TLOU2
not retro

[Anonymous No.6556614]

>>6556519
just shitty map design and 3d effect really butchering the game leaving large empty space since everything is so tall now because its 3d and we cant put things too close together or the visibility will be bad

here are 2 randomly generated maps, dunno why the h5's textures went to shit but go play a game and you will see how barren everything is, large gaps between everything leave the map feel like a wasteland and the small maps are jokes, isometric games seem just better at this i do not know, perhaps its a prespective thing and 3d games are supposed to represent a smaller scale?

[Anonymous No.6556627]

So I found some time today and finished the snow quarter of the map I talked about a few days back. I feel like there's probably too many resources crammed in there, but I didn't really know what else to put there to make it worth exploring and killing neutrals. Do share your opinions.
Also, I thought there was a snow underground gate. Must be a HOTA thing or something since I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.6556629]

>>6555197
>>6556609
imagine just going into somebody's thread and trying to earn brownie points because of a meme based on a game you've never even heard of

[Anonymous No.6556639]

>>6555079
>Neither MM nor HoMM related image
You faggot had one job

[Anonymous No.6556642]

>>6555429
you or whomever baked this thread put literal gay porn in the OP you retard and you are telling people they are defensive and bitching? Why would we have to look at this bullshit of a meme for a week until the next thread is made? Innane, immature assholes that need to project their irrelevant spiteful crap and ruin things for everybody...fuck you and fuck jannies that are allowing this. Someone bake a normal thread and let this shit die.

[Anonymous No.6556650]

>>6556639
>>6556642
>these niggers hate hota so much they cant even tolerate a thread where the op mocks hota

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[Anonymous No.6556656]

>Keon de Rivessi
would he be a might or a magic hero? What are his skills and stats?

[Anonymous No.6556658]

>>6556642
Shieeeet, imagine being this mad at a meme

[Anonymous No.6556664]

>>6556650
since we already have gay porn in op post, can I request some furry gay porn too?
Because it seems citizens of /HoMM are perfectly fine with both

[Anonymous No.6556669]

>>6556639
It's Factory concept art. Last week was also Factory concept art. Chill.

[Anonymous No.6556672]

>>6556669
last week it was complete render of finished monster vs paint shitpost

[Anonymous No.6556674]

>>6556672
Art is subjective bro

[Anonymous No.6556676]

>>6556627
Yes, Ice subterranean gates is hota stuff

[Anonymous No.6556682]

>>6556674
it is. but
>It's Factory concept art. Last week was also Factory concept art.
is invalid because neither of those are concept arts. First is a render of a 3D model, second is MS paint scribble. I don't care if either one is considered "art", the quoted statement is a plain lie

[Anonymous No.6556689]

>>6556682
Last thread's OP was of a cowboy shootout, not a render

[Anonymous No.6556701]

>>6556656
oh shit hota bros dont do this to me, i've been shilling for you so strong, dont put reddit man ingame

>>6556664
sure why not, fortress is litteraly the furry/scalie faction, tower is the jewish one for golems,slaves and trannies

[Anonymous No.6556745]

>>6556674
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.6556779]

>>6556627
I like it. Good ratio of landmarks and open space.

>I didn't really know what else to put there to make it worth exploring
Resources are always a good option, better to have them guarded than just lying around. Alternatively you can also put a Colosseum in there, I usually make them guarded by Level 3 or Level 4 monsters.

>Also, I thought there was a snow underground gate. Must be a HOTA thing or something since I couldn't find it anywhere.
That's HotA. There's also a third gate. Do you plan on making the map for HotA, WOG or SoD?

[Anonymous No.6556792]

>>6556701
Keanu is reddit? Since when? Because of Cyberpunk 2077 maybe?

>>6556656
Let's see:
>Mercenary
>Attack 2
>Defense 1
>Knowledge 1
>Spellpower 2
>Basic Diplomacy, Basic Tactics
>Specialty: Diplomacy

Btw, I've read somewhere that Factory will bring a new skill into the game, associated with the town, like Necropolis has Necromancy; any idea what this skill might be?

[Anonymous No.6556801]

Factory when?

[Anonymous No.6556805]

>>6556801
Fall/Winter seems plausible.

[Anonymous No.6556852]

>>6556779
It's a SoD map for maximum compatibility and because I don't have any mods installed.
It's not meant to be a very balanced map, but every player is supposed to have a chance to win. I guess that means I should give tower some extra resources. Right now all they have is an extra windmill and a water mill. Other players' quarters will only have one of each.

[Anonymous No.6556870]

>>6556801
Soon fren

[Anonymous No.6556953]

why is heroscommunity.com down

[Anonymous No.6556967]

>>6556953
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.6557042]

>>6556953
It happened before. Hopefully it'll be back in a day or two.

[Anonymous No.6557046]

>>6556801
I wish they went for fully automaton renaissance style or at least cash it all in on wild west art deco instead of dipping partially in high fantasy. Hobbits, Armadillos and Couatls kinda seem as a bad fit; the flamethrower guy too, should've went for something different.

[Anonymous No.6557097]

>>6557046
imho bland Armadillos act as a counterbalance to the more extravagant designs. Their color palette reinforces this by hammering down the town's main color, in a way it ties the lineup together similar to Castle's Pikeman.

Couatl is the one that confuses me. There's already an abundance of diverse creatures in the lineup, why add dragons? Especially since Heroes 3 is already full of dragons.

[Anonymous No.6557107]

>>6557097
>>6557046
Couatl would have been better if kept as a serpent but then it would have been too close to the sea serpent and probably should be part of Cove anyway, replacing Stormbirds/sea witches or whatever
>but muh brass

[Anonymous No.6557158]

>>6557097
>>6557107
They could've gone for a Drake golem or a Dragon Mech - heroes 4 had one, although it was weird af - but that is some continuity with the previous homm games at least. They even had a finished concept from the guys working on Tides of War mod, don't know why they didn't just go for it, cool creature.

[Anonymous No.6557165]

>>6557158
mech tounges for robot dragons? DORF TEK, OH YEEEAH!

[Anonymous No.6557189]

>>6557158
>Dragon Golem
Cool idea tbqh, totally something New World Computing would have cooked up.

[Anonymous No.6557193]

>>6557097
another thing that irks me regarding the armadillo is that for some reason it looks too dino-like to me and it puts me off. Should've went for a pangoling design, far more likable and cute

[Anonymous No.6557195]

>>6557158
>Tides of War mod
Never heard of it. Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.6557213]

>>6557046
Aesthetic wise Factory is a bit of a clusterfuck. It reminds of Heroes 4 Death town where they mixed Undead with Demons as well as whatever the fuck pic related is.

[Anonymous No.6557258]

>>6557195
eh, it's hit and miss and quite buggy, but the guys working on it have their hearts in the right place I think. They mainly focused on bringing the alternative creature concept from homm 4 into heroes 3 - choose one creature on a specific tier depending on the town you're playing from a selection of two - and once chosen, for that town the selected creature is "locked in" and the other one becomes unavailable; you can of course capture another town of the same type and build the alternative dwelling there. They also added some other stuff, like new spells, artifacts, skills etc. Here is the link:
http://heroes3wog.net/the-tides-of-war-download-vcmi/

The new creatures are:
Castle - T7 Templars/Paladins (cool and a throwback to heroes 2)
Rampart - T4 Dryads/Oak Dryads (meh)
Tower - T7 Drake Golem/Dragon Golem (cool and throwback to h4)
Stronghold - T6 Couatls/Quetzalcoutals (meh but at least they are proper feathery serpent kind)
Conflux - T3 Tritons/Abyssal Tritons (autism)
Fortress - T5 Troll Witches/Troll Hags (meh turboautism)
Dungeon - T5 Illithids/Alhoons (cool but wtf dnd in homm)
Necropolis - T4 Werewolves/Dire Werewolves (cool but not undead??)
Inferno - T4 Succubi/Lilins (cool and patrician choice)

[Anonymous No.6557346]

>>6557213
I agree, Death town in h4 was awkward af. For Factory, if they already wanted to have the frontier/wild west and steampunk vibe, I think they should've went all in either on a hopeful renaissance art deco style - clockworks, automatons, guns (like Vinci faction from Rise of Legends for example) - or a dark mad scientist design like Zaun from leauge of legends (frankenstein monsters, tesla coils, weird technology etc); with a bit of Iron Kingdoms/Warmachine influence here and there - I think one of the original homm devs from 3DO/NWC suggested this as well, when hota team approached him for consultation. Stretching it all over through high fantasy with seemingly random roster, kinda breaks it. Might be that it will all work well however, once we get to play the new town and get a bit used to it.

[Anonymous No.6557373]

>>6557346
>I think one of the original homm devs from 3DO/NWC suggested this as well, when hota team approached him for consultation.
Good to know they ignored his feedback too

[Anonymous No.6557530]

>>6557258
>wtf dnd in homm
Yeah, because Gorgons, Beholders and other shit totally weren't ripped straight out of Monster Manual.

[Anonymous No.6557545]

>>6557346
They should have watched Wild Wild West for inspiration

[Anonymous No.6557575]

>>6557530
>Gorgons
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catoblepas

[Anonymous No.6557585]

>>6557158
The problem with dragon golems in factory is that they are both a Dragon and mechanical unit. There are Dreadnoughts in line up so the only difference would be that one is dragon and other isn't. If they were both in the castle, that would be 2 T7 nearly identical units.

With Couatl it's at least very different from dreadnought while being more like phoniex-dragon hybrid rather than just a dragon.

[Anonymous No.6557612]

>>6557575
Yeah, that's a mythological creature dnd gorgons were based on. And in H3 they're covered in armor plates and called gorgons.

[Anonymous No.6557621]

>>6557373
managed to find it, it was a full interview some rusbro did with Greg Fulton; not sure if I somehow projected it directly on the HotA team but from the info given it sounds like they were talking about them
http://heroes3wog.net/interview-with-greg-fulton-about-angels-gelu-and-heavenly-forge/

>>6557530
and dnd did a ripoff of every mythology/legendarium in existence, but Illithids are specifically their trademark. If they were named something a bit more "neutral" like mind-flayers, it might be a better fit, like this it feels glaringly out of place (regardless of how cool it might be).

>>6557545
I need to watch this again, so sad there were no sequels

[Anonymous No.6557664]

>>6557621
>Illithids are specifically their trademark
>named something a bit more "neutral" like mind-flayers
https://www.d20srd.org/faq.htm second question, called "mind-flayers". Beholders are also there btw.
>dnd did a ripoff of every mythology/legendarium in existence
Name me a mythology which they ripped liches and gnolls from then.

[Anonymous No.6557672]

>>6557585
I agree, but Dragon Golem could've been a T6 or even T5, not necessarily the second T7 they were planning for. I mean, if the theme of the town is steampunk, it is expected for it to have various mechanical units, right? I like the way they did the Couatl unupgraded, but I think it would serve better as a neutral unit. The Crimson Couatl upgrade though kinda doesn't make sense to me - creature goes from flamboyant and vivid to the "drab" palette of the town. Kinda feels like a downgrade, since every other upgraded creature in the game looks more magnificent than it's regular variant and here this doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe the upgraded version of the creature would make more sense if it was a Mech Couatl or something, seeing how the philosophy of the town is science/engineering subjugating and "upgrading" nature and this is where a concept like Dragon Golem could come in. Of all the units so far shown, I think that only Gunslinger, Worm, Juggernaut and maybe Armadillo are a good fit, the rest is crap.

[Anonymous No.6557674]

>>6555197
>>6556609
take your meds

[Anonymous No.6557724]

>>6557664
They did literally place every single mythological creature known to man into the monster manuals, but I never said dnd had no inventions of it's own - beholder being one of them too. Somehow though, beholder kinda feels more domesticated in homm in comparison to outright Illithid/Alhoon, the second one being a very specific variant of the creature and the first a less commonly known real name of the race. Beholders fit a bit easier, since the upgrade is named "Evil Eye" and further disassociates the connection, thus I suggested mind-flayer + another general name for pretty much the same reason, if they are already set on having them in their mod. Mind Flayer/Brain Slayer or something like that

[Anonymous No.6557730]

>>6557724
forgot pic again fugggg

[Anonymous No.6557743]

>>6557664
>liches
Koschei
>and gnolls
Buda (maybe)

[Anonymous No.6557780]

>>6557664
>Name me a mythology which they ripped liches and gnolls from then.
>gnolls
Wolf/dog men? They're everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6557795]

>>6557743
>Koschei
In fairy tales he's just an evil sorcerer with a gimmick vulnerability, not a literal scellington.
>Buda
They're just people who shapeshift into regular hyenas, not anthro furries. Hyena variant of cynocephali would be more close.
And neither of them named similar to their dnd counterparts anyway.

[Anonymous No.6557806]

>>6557780
>Wolf/dog
Also, hyenas are feliforms btw.

[Anonymous No.6557903]

>>6555214

[Anonymous No.6557981]

>>6557629
>Ingham
I'm still curious why there's Ingham portrait in one dungeon in MM7.
His eyes are glowing red in the portrait.
Is there a back story of that?

[Anonymous No.6558002]

What are the "filters" of each game in your opinion?

[Anonymous No.6558004]

>>6557981
no but I know this feature of glowing eye also made the game without patch crash if you were looking at it
So basically in unpatched game you had to enter the room and never look at the portrait or it would crash the game. What is the back story behind this?
I also remember that in the unpatched game, the vase from Lord Markham thief promotion quest is never here, I don't know how that passed QA

[Anonymous No.6558014]

>>6558004
Pretty sure it didn't crash when I played it in the late 90s.
And I didn't patch the game.
>thief promotion
Don't remember this one.
It's been more than 20 years since I played the game.
I don't even remember what my party was but I usually use the default party for first time play (only played it once though).

[Anonymous No.6558096]

I'mma do it
I'mma fucking do it
You can't stop me

[Anonymous No.6558110]

>>6558096
refresh my memory

[Anonymous No.6558117]

Why does making diagonal rivers have to be such a pain in the dick? I have to try something like five times to get one square of diagonal instead of sawtooth. Is there some trick to it?

[Anonymous No.6558128]

>>6558117
wiggle the river around, never aim for a straight line

[Anonymous No.6558157]

What would be some cool town theme/creature roster that yet remains unexolored?

[Anonymous No.6558167]

>>6558157

[Anonymous No.6558173]

>>6558167

[Anonymous No.6558179]

>>6558157
east asian mythology has always been something I've wanted (heroes' 6 shitty attempt doesn't count)

sounds lame since we're on the verge of cowboy factory, but how about exploring what the americas have to offer? native americans, aztecs, mayans, and incans
It would be play as a type of mediator between Rampart and Stronghold in that the human units would play to the primal while the creature units would play to the nature centric mythology

[Anonymous No.6558196]

>>6558173

[Anonymous No.6558232]

>>6558004
I played 1.0 multiple times when it came out and the only quest that was unsolvable was the Lich promotion (the jars simply didn't exist in the chest they were supposed to be in), but you could also break some other things by moving to the right places. The vase was always there, you just had to survive the sparks trigger or it could cause problems.

>Create new special promotion with mind and body immunity
>It doesn't actually exist because the quest items aren't there

[Anonymous No.6558265]

Are there cursed items in the might and magic series or am I worrying over nothing?

[Anonymous No.6558687]

>>6558265
Worrying over nothing. In the DOS games enemies can curse you or your items (which can be fixed at a temple), but starting at 6 only your characters can be cursed. You may find grabbing certain things will trigger traps or events that may kill you, but all items can be removed.

[Anonymous No.6558764]

>>6558196
is that one of donko's?

[Anonymous No.6558771]

>>6558764
smalleyes. There's credit in bottom right corner

[Anonymous No.6558848]

>>6558771
>actual reply

[Anonymous No.6558932]

>>6558157
Since Castle's aesthetic seems mostly based on medieval Central/Eastern Europe, how about a human-centric faction inspired by Renaissance Southern/Western Europe, e.g. Venice, Rome, Spanish Armada and French monarchy. Kind of like the Cathedral concept that was floating around some time ago but with a more distinct style
Possible units
>low level: Grenadier, Arquebusier
>mid level: Venetian Winged Lion
>high level: ?

[Anonymous No.6559039]

If you had to choose to become a hero and this hero had to rape a lot, what hero would you choose to be?
Please respond, it's a very important question.

[Anonymous No.6559054]

>>6559039
Arturius
and no I won't explain that answer

[Anonymous No.6559064]

>>6558932
This is better than Factory and Cathedral put together but would probably be "too many humans" and I know there's a lot of spergs/furries who hate that

[Anonymous No.6559067]

>>6559064
Castle is humans only apart from Gryphons and arguably Angels.

>>6559039
why did you remove some of the choices?

[Anonymous No.6559070]

>>6559067
they were orcs/half-orcs and I don't want to lose the support of human supremacists.

[Anonymous No.6559079]

>>6559067
>Castle is humans only apart from Gryphons and arguably Angels.
Yeah which never bothered me, but I think even HotA got shit for "too many humans" in Cove. Outside of Castle and Cove you have
>mages
>elves?
>pixies?
I thought it was a strange and arbitrary thing to whine about.

[Anonymous No.6559126]

>>6559070
fucking inconsiderate from you since those are some of the best rape faces in the game. Just look at Tyro or Antoine. Rape for days without breaking a sweat. Btw, now that you mentioned supremacists, I remember in homm lore there being an ultraxenophobic faction or a cult-like organization that was not racist, but speciest, called "Humanists". Their sole goal was utter annihilation and eradication of any and all non-human lifeforms from the face of Enroth. Wonder how that would ring a bell with the modern sensibilities lol

>>6559079
but that is silly desu, out of 9 original factions, three are "fully human" or commandeered by humans, four if you count Cove. Castle is humans + the town's heraldic animal, Tower is human mages + their conjured constructs/servants/creatures, Cove is human pirates + sea monsters and arguably Necropolis is also "fully human" although all of them (un)dead. And nothing is wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.6559132]

>>6558932
Town screen looks like this

[Anonymous No.6559225]

>>6559070
Tyro is turkish and Antonie is the anti-hota fag

[Anonymous No.6559227]

>>6558848
But I shared (You), don't be disgraceful

[Anonymous No.6559253]

>>6558157
>>6558167
just occurred to me that a faction that would allow for some weird cryptids and monsters like these would be a faction of mages not that much unlike what we had in GeneForge series; Shapers for a magic class that are crossing and experimenting on beings, churning out a whole lot of abominable shit and Mutants for a Might class, perfected specimens that have proven themselves capable enough to be allowed to commandeer monstrous armies of the unscrupulous mages. Could be fun.

[Anonymous No.6559291]

>>6559126
why; Dungeon in HOMM3 are sided with Eofol Devils from MM7 ?
why ?
I thought that the Eofol Devils were the Inferno faction

[Anonymous No.6559295]

>>6559291
They are
I always thought it was an opportunity to upset balance of power and they assumed they could just nuke them later

[Anonymous No.6559361]

>>6559253
Stuff from mtg like Simic Combine or the Riptide Project would work wonders for inspiration with a concept like that

[Anonymous No.6559460]

How do I beat the Adventures of Jared Haret? I can clear the subterranean area no problem, but the tower AI's hero is just way too strong for me to beat. Is it just a question of "rush harder"?

[Anonymous No.6559740]

Imagine being so afraid of Resistance you have to take it out of the game lmao

[Anonymous No.6559769]

>>6559740
Picolan really left a mark on your ass I see

[Anonymous No.6559908]

>>6559039
Ector is the guy.

[Anonymous No.6559920]

About 1/3rd done with this map now, I'd wager. I'm not too happy with how the rough portion turned out tho.

[Anonymous No.6560139]

>>6559920
There's nothing particularly bad with it. You could try adding some green patches (not necessarily the terrain but just decorations) next to sources of water to spice things up.

[Anonymous No.6560154]

>>6555079
Weren't you told to fuck off to separate thread with HotA shit?

[Anonymous No.6560168]

>>6560154
>anon thinking he can forbid anyone from talking about shit they want on 4chan
Real talk tho, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6560226]

>>6560139
how is this man so good at making gorgeous maps like this HOW CAN THIS POWER BE LEARNED HOW

[Anonymous No.6560242]

>>6560168
>HoMM/MM thread
>But actually, just fishing for (You)s

[Anonymous No.6560245]

>>6560139
Yep, that did it. Along with relocating a few things so the middle has something in it.
I'd add even more trees to the riverbanks, but the map needs to remain open and accessible.

[Anonymous No.6560250]

>>6560168
Also, against handful of rules, so fuck off yourself, you just admitted it.

[Anonymous No.6560251]

>>6559769
Resistance tore out Picolan's butthole and now he needs diapers

[Anonymous No.6560282]

>>6560251
last time I checked Resistance was no longer in the game and Picolan is so help yourself to all the diapers you might need to soothe that gigantic butthurt you've been nurturing

[Anonymous No.6560453]

>>6559740
don't play HotA if you don't like it you nagger

[Anonymous No.6560782]

>pick a map
>decide to play as orange dungeon because that's cool
>start in the middle of a huge swamp area
>that's okay, that witch hut will no doubt give pathfindign
>it give air magic
>fuck slogging through a swamp with the full penalty, restart as fortress
>witch hut gives pathfinding
Of course.

[Anonymous No.6560802]

>>6558157
succ wars did egypt/arab, which Ive wanted for a long time

could go for a xeno/insectoid/cthulhu madness faction

[Anonymous No.6560808]

>>6560782
well it does have a nice stone road going everywhere

[Anonymous No.6560939]

>>6560782
>not one, but TWO +350 gold spec heroes at the start
>he complains about being on his native terrain and getting pathfinding
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.6561008]

Why, yes. I do complete all the quests I come across.

[Anonymous No.6561023]

>>6561008
kek

[Anonymous No.6561026]

I'm going to summon some poor fisherman's boat and destroy his livelihood.

[Anonymous No.6561173]

>>6560939
I actually ended up with no less than four (4) gold specialist at the end of week 2. They just kept coming.

That's a very neat map btw. Valleys of War if you want to try it out.

[Anonymous No.6561236]

>>6558157
Far east faction with a combo of Chinese and Japanese themes.
T1: Quilin, those stone dog/lion hybrid statues.
T2: Terracotta soldier.
T3: Ninja. Shooter.
T4: Martial artist. Upgrade has no retal.
T5: Priest or Shrine Maiden. Shooter, casts buffs on allies.
T6: Ki-rin. Mythical deer/horse/dragon creature.
T7: Eastern dragon. Flyer.

[Anonymous No.6561337]

>>6560782
What map?

[Anonymous No.6561425]

>>6559920
yuck, you better not be using brushes to place map objects anon

>>6560782
this is why you never play premade maps with random factions enabled - its terrible design

>>6561008
whats the issue? this is obviously part of the map that either has a huge pay off or is required to complete the story

>>6561236
>eastern faction
we already have rampart anon

[Anonymous No.6561429]

>>6561008
Looks like something out of wacky WoG maps.

[Anonymous No.6561430]

>>6561425
Not him, but Rampart has some vaguely Japanese aesthetics applied to buildings, along with native totem poles and European additions. That's about where its "easterness" ends

[Anonymous No.6561437]

>>6561430
centaurs look extremely chinky to me and green draggons are straight out of chinatown and thats good enough - weebs are a plague and a cancer to the world, go mod a naruto town on /a/ and fuck ninjas too this is not heroes4

[Anonymous No.6561452]

>>6561437

[Anonymous No.6561464]

>>6561425
You can easily spot brush by whether or not there is object overlay. Anon's map has plenty of that, most noticeably the Sand cacti, so it can't be brush.

[Anonymous No.6561473]

>>6561452
i mean it, yugi
>>6561464
what? you can see plenty out of place objects on the border, including a bunch of stalagmites and dirt-mountains which the brush loves to throw around

[Anonymous No.6561475]

>>6561473

[Anonymous No.6561479]

>>6560168
>anon thinking he can hijack HOMM/MM general for his own le ebin shitposting
Real talk thou, kys

[Anonymous No.6561491]

>>6561475
no (((you))), chink homm already exists go play that

>ninja
>karate guy
>greedragon2

fuck off and come back with better ideas

[Anonymous No.6561513]

>>6561437
>centaurs look extremely chinky to me
Consider visiting a doctor. You might have some serious eyesight problems

[Anonymous No.6561523]

[Anonymous No.6561551]

>>6561464
>>6561473
Hmm I think the vertical border is brush and the rest isn't. There's too much "logic" with the placement of trees and plateaus (e.g. more trees around the river than elsewhere). A telltale sign of brush is that there is no logic or consistent theme whatsoever. My best guess is that anon split the map into zones with brush but crafts each zone's interior design by hand.

[Anonymous No.6561631]

>>6555281
Okay, fuck it. I searched through all the homm forums and you either have to cheat or replay the map from a scratch, hoping that you won't get that bug again or red won't jump out of their island in the first month.

[Anonymous No.6561653]

>>6561631
3DO quality control on the most ballanced mission too

[Anonymous No.6561832]

>>6561523
Lol

[Anonymous No.6561892]

>>6561173
>4 gold spec heroes
Bet you got some Estates in there as well you lucky bastard. Thanks, will try the map out; in other news, the femanon that did the neat HD redesign of Fortress roster now moved onto Dungeon

>>6561236
Concepts like that failed before, H6 Sanctuary being the prime example. Outright eastern animu stuff doesn't mix well with generic medieval european theme, which heroes is all about

[Anonymous No.6561952]

>>6559460
honestly rush harder, yeah. Try to bait a fight outside of his town, too. I don't think I ever did this by attempting to full clear this shit.

[Anonymous No.6562004]

>>6561551
Yep, you're right. The main zone-separating mountains were originally placed with the brush so I could have something to work off of. I've more or less replaced or tweaked everything the brush has placed by now, but a few of the oddities slipped by unnoticed. I'm yet to do the final aesthetic check for the map.

The grass/swamp separator is pure brush in this pic since I haven't touched either zone yet, others were created by the brush, then touched up and fixed by me.

[Anonymous No.6562026]

>>6560245
>Along with relocating a few things so the middle has something in it
Yeah, that definitely looks nicer. Hope you'll post the map on maps4heroes when you complete it.

>>6560226
>how is this man so good
Excess of free time. It literally wasted couple dozen hours of my life just to make that 50x26 grid as pretty as possible. The majority of the time was spend trying out how decorations overlap with each other. The rest is just placing what worked on an appropriate place on the map. Some of the later concepts (like the Rampart one) took me approximately 2-4 months to finish (mostly because the lack of inspiration).

[Anonymous No.6562030]

>>6562026
Have you done Cove and Conflux yet?

[Anonymous No.6562180]

>>6562030
Nope and I can't say I'm having any plans to make them in any foreseeable future since I'm preoccupied with day-to-day stuff (mostly work). Maybe I'll make one of them if a burst of inspiration hits me or something.

[Anonymous No.6562182]

>>6562180
Damn. Do you have a gallery of all the ones you have done so far?

[Anonymous No.6562196]

>>6562182
The previous DL links expired so I created a new one:
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/cm558tyv9aytn0v/Maps.rar/file

You'll also need the HotA mod to open the map, but you can do pretty much anything you want with it afterwards (though if you're planning to use some of what I made for your map, just don't forget to give a partial credit to same fag on 4chan). If you want to move the entire area or paste it on a larger map, you will need to patch the HotA editor first - here are the instructions:
>https://yuki.la/vr/4878118#p4927191

[Sage No.6562226]

Imagine being so butthurt you have to start another thread

[Anonymous No.6562249]

>>6561491
fuck you for reminding me that exists

[Anonymous No.6562320]

>>6561892
>Concepts like that failed before, H6 Sanctuary being the prime example.

What's wrong with Sanctuary? I haven't played H6 but strictly visually speaking it seems like the most interesting out of the lineup, also pretty much the first time since H5 that Ubi tried something fresh instead of recycling old factions.

Also aquatic > any other Elemental aesthetic

[Anonymous No.6562364]

>>6562320
Not him and didn't play 6 but
>most units are "a water spirit," "a different water spirit"
>just taking Japanese titles like daimyo and throwing them into MM
Otherwise I like the water town concept but it was kind of lazy

[Anonymous No.6562520]

>Buy Enchant Item
>Suddenly, nearly all of my party has over 50 AC

[Anonymous No.6562553]

>>6562520
While the enchants are nice and some are really good, the real value is in buying/enchanting/reselling then buying the really good stuff like spells.

[Anonymous No.6562625]

Who's better, Joseph or Ivan?

[Anonymous No.6562842]

>>6562553
I jizz in my pants at the implication

[Anonymous No.6562973]

>>6562320
it's okay when you do a "reboot" like Ubisoft did and then you can do whatever it is that you want to, in respect to the previous games and lore. But homm is a generic European medieval fantasy setting (plus SF stuff but lets not go into that right now) and just transplanting mythologies that are well removed from those themes, always makes for a harder fit and feels dislodged - unless done in such a way that a certain "alien" aesthetic is properly adapted, like in case of Rampart where some of the Japanese architecture style was used (and it did great) with the overall sylvan theme. I personally liked the design idea behind Sanctuary - focus on a single unit that when supported with the rest of the roster turns into a veritable champion that roflstomps anything in it's path - it was never before done in heroes and it felt great to "pull of a combo" and defeat your opponent with masterfully executed combination of buffs, spells and targeted attacks. But having samurais, shoguns, kenshis, mizu-kamis, kappa shoyas, wanizamis and kirins kinda felt weird in a heroes game. I'm not saying it can't be done, but an approach similar to for example what was done in Avatar the Last Airbender would work better for a fantasy deeply rooted in European fables and stereotypes. Aquatic is good, yes.

[Anonymous No.6562992]

>>6562973
yeah, and another thing that caught my eye - the new Couatl unit that HotA team did for Factory. At first I was dismissive a bit due to the fact that it didn't look at all like a plumed serpent, more like a feathered dino/dragon of all things; but then it dawned on me that it was the right way to do it - it brought the creature more in line with what was already present in the game, without disrupting it too much, while at the same time keeping the connection with the original "source material" from which the inspiration was taken. Good move, at least in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.6563010]

I have no idea what I'm doing but I like where it is going. Mapmaker is so much fun.

[Anonymous No.6563034]

>>6562992
The couatl does look good, its problem is that it doesn't fit in with the rest of the lineup in the slightest.
Also special snowflake with two T7's. They already have a new terrain and units with unique abilities. What more do they need?

[Anonymous No.6563064]

>>6563034
I agree, it doesn't fit with the whole steampunk/frontier theme they are going for and it would work better as a neutral imo. New terrain and new units with unique abilities of their own are to be expected for a whole new town, but I honestly don't know why they went for two T7s. It won't be too much of an issue though I think, since building both would probably require you to be obscenely rich and have access to multiple magical resources, which you will need in abundance for town development as well. While it sounds OP in theory, in practice I believe that most of the time you would have to choose between one or the other. I liked the concept from H4 where every tier had two options and then you had to commit to one or the other, depending on the situation in the game and your preferred playstyle and this is somewhat reminiscent of that. So I hope it will all be well balanced out for the benefits that you would get; HotA is aiming for competitive heroes play so that should be a given. I bet it will all be fine once we get to take the Factory for a spin and get used to the way it works.

[Anonymous No.6563081]

>>6562992
I probably wouldnt have as much a problem with it if the colour palette for it wasn't so goddamn vibrant. Fade out those colours a bunch. Maybe have the base red feathers become coloured at the tips or something. It just looks ugly as is.

[Anonymous No.6563083]

>>6562992
>when Pride month is about to start

[Anonymous No.6563093]

>>6563064
It's going to be a bitch to balance. Knowing the HOTA team, it'll be balanced around competitive multiplayer on Jebus Cross. That means, depending a bit on how they end up doing it, it'll be more or less broken on other kinds of maps.

[Anonymous No.6563115]

>>6563081
this is the first they've showed it so I guess there is still time to tweak it around; what irks me the most though is that it goes from vibrant rainbow colors to drab dirt town. Kinda as if the Phoenix would go from being a magnificent bird on fire to red awkward birdy bird. Aesthetically it feels more as if you are downgrading the unit than upgrading it.

>>6563083
hey, if that's what's bothering you, you'll get to kill the shit out of it in-game so there's that

>>6563093
sad if true

[Anonymous No.6563163]

>>6563010
My suggestion is to start small. Do a small or at most a medium map first to get a feel of how long it takes to make a detailed map that's good to play. The maps look a lot smaller in the map editor than the actually are since there's no shroud and you're not limited by hero movement.
Unless you're just doing it for the looks, of course. Then you can do whatever.

[Anonymous No.6563187]

Jebus :DDD

[Anonymous No.6563192]

>>6563010
>cloud sea
Based. Evil Fog, Lucid Pool also work.

[Anonymous No.6563306]

>>6563163
Yeah, didn't realize it before I fired it up in-game, seems double the size from what I can see in the map maker

>>6563192
Thanks, Lucid Pools maybe look even better. I just tested it (pic related) and if you draw regular terrain first and cover it with appropriate magic terrain, you can "fake" walking on shallow water if you leave sea around it with no exact borders, which is awesome.

[Anonymous No.6563669]

>>6563034
>>6563064
why not? its litteraly just a creature they've bred themselves, just like griffins in castle

[Anonymous No.6564223]

>>6562992
I also think its retarded how it goes from colorful to muted colors. I would have liked it otherwise, since couatls is supposed to be colorful.

Besides, the armor could be some kind of power limiter then the upgraded one has full control over its powers, which shows in its colorful feathers.

Also, all I see in the left one is metalseadramon

[Anonymous No.6564546]

>>6564223
No man, the armor obviously gives it +1 speed to be the fastest unit in HotA "whoever goes first wins Jebus Cross"

[Anonymous No.6564560]

>>6564546
yes and Cove is most OP faction

[Anonymous No.6564664]

>>6564560
>Implying he isn't correct about speed meta
I mean there is no way around it - HotA is speed-centric and magic-centric. It's like someone played a lot of HoMM4 as Academy, decided they want that in HoMM3, but without specific faction and... HotA meta came out of it.

[Anonymous No.6564687]

>>6564664
>Academy
Song of Peace intensifies.

[Anonymous No.6564767]

>>6564560
Cove is kinda lacking in early game and good in mid, but falls off considerably when you enter late game. Apart from Nix and Crew Mates (which suck), most of their units are glass cannons imo.

>>6564664
For all intents and purposes
>migth >>>> magic
>health/defense >>>> speed
there isn't a single spellcasting hero or spell that can match the high att and def of might heroes and dmg consistently dealt by the armies they lead, unless you are referring to armageddon or implosion/surrender shenanigans - and they too are not that hard to manage or counter with loads of options. Spells are good for the utility and support they provide, not as a primary damage output. Going first is great and speed is always crucial in combat, yes, but if your opponent can't put a dent into your numbers in the first round of his attack, he's not going to have a good time regardless of how fast his units can run.

[Anonymous No.6564847]

>>6564560
Friendly reminder that currently it's firmly upper-mid-tier.
>>6564664
SoD was speed-centric and might-centric due to magic being relatively easily counterable with two different artifacts inb4 Thorgrim, no he was never popular. High initiative is a boon and speed is great, yet Stronghold and Fortress with their top speed of 13 (not the best) and low magic are still extremely popular while Inferno with a level 5 mage guild and top speed of 17 is still dumpster tier. I hate that this could be a good discussion but it's literally always segwaying to that one shitposter who genuinely thinks HoMM3 is about who casts Mass Slow first when any cursory look at high level endgame fights in either SoD or HotA shows that people often don't even initiate the fight with any spell.

[Anonymous No.6564856]

>>6564767
>there isn't a single spellcasting hero or spell that can match the high att and def of might heroes and dmg consistently dealt by the armies they lead, unless you are referring to armageddon or implosion/surrender shenanigans
HotA banned Orb of Inhibition / Recanter's Cloak and allowed players to keep paying fees to the mage guild to "fish" for spells that used to be a pure lottery, which leads to occasional mage mains relying on attrition warfare with summon elemental / resurrection / implosion spam. That said, there are still woefully few actually good mage heroes compared to might heroes; it's Grindan/Labetha, Luna, Ciele (notably all Conflux), Thant, Solmyr, Jeddite/Alamar.

[Anonymous No.6565003]

>>6563034
>Also special snowflake with two T7's. They already have a new terrain and units with unique abilities. What more do they need?
It's like the 11th faction. As long as it doesn't make it OP I feel they should be doing as much as possible to make any new faction unique.

I'm fact I would support going back to vanilla faction and giving them a few new tools, though aside from letting Tower have access to all Golems I'm not sure what they could add.

[Anonymous No.6565007]

>>6564856
>HotA banned Orb of Inhibition / Recanter's Cloak
but they can be enabled, they are not deleted from the game; just edit the template and you're good. This move was done due to the competitive scene and the "current meta" of heroes from what I was able to gather, might change in the future.
>keep paying fees to the mage guild to "fish" for spells that used to be a pure lottery
dunno, this feature is cool and fair as far as I'm concerned; it's not as if the "pure lottery" was fair, you could get fucked over easily by rng and end up with a host of useless spells just because. And it is not as if you are getting this reroll for free, you still have to pay the full price as if you were building the mage guild of appropriate spell level all over again - for a single spell.
>there are still woefully few actually good mage heroes
true, since it turns out that even a good spell specialization is hard to offset the lack of Attack and Defense that would instead get poured into Knowledge and Spellpower. Not sure what would be a good way to balance this out, apart from making more spells that would either directly influence hero stats or provide creatures with additional abilities and reworking existing spells so that they don't suck but remain within manageable power levels.
>>6564847
Slow is an OP spell not because it can devastate your opponent but because it allows you to clear mobs in the first two weeks with impunity and reap the rewards without loosing any troops. The first player to cast a spell in a late game would pretty much define how the "magic battle" between the two will be played out, so it is a very important tactical decision to make and one not made lightly.

[Anonymous No.6565019]

>>6565003
>In fact I would support going back to vanilla faction and giving them a few new tools
This idea ain't half bad, actually it is pretty sound. Toying around with stats, abilities and upgrades to further balance out the towns is the way to go imo, much easier to "fix the game" if it is flexible as a whole, not set in stone where you have to rigidly dance around already established stuff. The Tribes of the East expansion for H5 also had the concept of "alternate upgrades" where you had two possible upgrade paths for each unit; something to revisit maybe. It would both give a multitude of additional features to each of the factions and expand the unit limit without adding artificial new tiers that make no sense (T8+).

[Anonymous No.6565029]

>>6565003
>changing established facitons
can you imagine how much butthurt that would cause to the anti-hota fag? he even made his own thread like a complete autist

[Anonymous No.6565039]

>>6565007
>just edit the template and you're good.
You keep parroting this like its simple or worth anyone's time
No HotA no dumb shit problems

[Anonymous No.6565045]

>>6565029
They already changed Phoenixes a little bit although it doesn't amount to much, they're still insanely strong.

[Anonymous No.6565052]

>>6563306
they've done it in Heroes Chronicles

[Anonymous No.6565112]

Hi, I'm Don_ko, HotA dev, AMA

[Anonymous No.6565179]

>>6557674
Kek

[Anonymous No.6565184]

>>6557903
Imagine showing up for work dressed in all this finery

[Anonymous No.6565207]

>>6559039
What will you do with this information?
Also MM8 Devlin arcanus, he loves rape.

[Anonymous No.6565263]

>>6565007
>Slow
I know, it's just that virtually every single thread the one guy with a hate boner for this game is insisting that every fight in HoMM3 is revolving around who casts Mass Slow first with no other considerations.

[Anonymous No.6565375]

>>6565052
Also in HotA's campaign, to create the illusion of being underwater.

I only know this because I nwcredpill'd through the campaign once. Those maps are hard as shit.

[Anonymous No.6565376]

>>6564767
>t. delusional faggot who apparently never even played any HoMM game at all, modded or not

[Anonymous No.6565380]

>>6565376
He is correct though

[Anonymous No.6565481]

>>6565039
No one is forcing you to play it lol, you are free to use SoD with HD+. The changes HotA implemented were made specifically because HotA is aimed at the competitive homm scene and from the experience gathered after analyzing hours of tournament games. Yes, it has nothing to do with you memeing around with AI or playing with friends, but love it or hate it, that community is what's keeping the game alive decades after it's release.

>>6565045
That one is hard as fuck to balance; taking a stab at insane pop growth was a good start, tweaking some of the other stats would probably be the way to go (dmg range, defense etc).

>>6565052
Never got around playing Tarnum's adventures and I really want to. Are Chronicles compatible with HD mod/HotA?

[Anonymous No.6565487]

>>6565184
gotta look your best when taking a stab at these faggots

[Anonymous No.6565492]

>>6565376
>t. offers no counterpoint since he has no idea what he's talking about
so you're the slow guy I keep hearing about?

[Anonymous No.6565496]

>>6565487
look at that casual stance on the hellknight
>"...sup"

[Anonymous No.6565507]

>>6564767
>there isn't a single spellcasting hero or spell that can match the high att and def of might heroes and dmg consistently dealt by the armies they lead
Makes me think. When you cast Berserk on a monster and it attacks one of their own, whose Attack/Defense is applied? Yours or the enemy's or none at all?

If it's the enemy's then Expert Fire + Mass Berserk would be a good way to deal with buffed up Crag Hacks.

[Anonymous No.6565508]

heroes 2 had the best artwork and art direction overall; simply beautiful

[Anonymous No.6565514]

>>6565508
Yes, but it sucks that there are no cute warlocks (female).

[Anonymous No.6565516]

>>6565508
>bare teeth
>wide eyes
Why are so many of them doing this

[Anonymous No.6565524]

>>6565508
Gem > Carlawn > rest

[Anonymous No.6565527]

>>6565507
As far as I know, Berserk applies stats of the "owner", BUT Hypnosis applies yours.
SoD final official patch, but could work differently in different versions.

[Anonymous No.6565530]

>>6565380
Correct in what, exactly?

>>6565492
To offer a counter-point, you would need to have an argument first. Instead, you have delusions of the classic HotA faggot that reaches for the sour grape of "b-but magic isn't about damage".
Nobody fucking cares about magic damage, part of the reason why Interference is such joke skill.

[Anonymous No.6565569]

>>6565530
In everything he said. Christ, your post is literally just calling the poster a delusional faggot without saying anything. Which makes this:
>To offer a counter-point, you would need to have an argument first
fucking ironic.
>Nobody fucking cares about magic damage, part of the reason why Interference is such joke skill.
AGAIN, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN YOU SHOW UP IN THIS THREAD, "MASS SLOW ON TURN ONE WINS EVERYTHING BECAUSE PICOLAN GOT ASSHURT WHEN HE PLAYED AGAINST THORGRIM, THE GOAT HERO, ONCE", INTERFERENCE IS BUILT EXACTLY FOR THE KIND OF GAME THAT HOTA MULTIPLAYER BECAME AFTER MAGE HEROES GOT THROWN A BONE BY GIVING THEM ALMOST CERTAIN ACCESS TO THE HIGH LEVEL SPELLS THEY WANT WITHOUT ORB OF INHIBITION / RECANTER AND INHERENT RNG IN MAGE GUILDS MAKING THAT RISKY! HOW many times does it have to be written that Intereference IS NOT ABOUT PREVENTING MAGIC DAMAGE, it's about giving a counter to the strategy of shitting out endless Resurrection / Summon Elemental value! The recent Intelligence nerf has ALSO aimed at nerfing said attrition warfare! Why the fuck do you keep pretending otherwise? Why the fuck is your every single derailment of every single thread about stuff you have absolutely no idea about? Why do you even exist? WHY?!?!?! I KNOW it's you, because EVERY SINGLE TIME so far all of this was THROWN IN YOUR FACE, you NEVER fucking answered! Because you are retarded! Because you don't follow the scene at all! You don't know how anything is played! You wouldn't have been able to beat even Kiszak! Fuck you!

[Anonymous No.6565590]

Anybody watched the Ninth Gate ? (the movie)
reminds me of Might and Magic for some reason

[Anonymous No.6565594]

>>6565569
>the strategy of shitting out endless Resurrection / Summon Elemental value
The one countered by Orb of Inhibition?

[Anonymous No.6565597]

>>6565594
Yes, the one that HotA's current MP meta has an explicit ban on. It's in the post you are quoting.

[Anonymous No.6565615]

>>6565569
This is just acting... right?
Right?

[Anonymous No.6565637]

>>6565590
Haven't watched it in a long while; what exactly reminded you of MM in it?

[Anonymous No.6565658]

>>6565637
the cheesy yet dramatic early 3D opening and the music
the general "mysticism" of the movie that is both cheap and kind of intense at the same time

[Anonymous No.6565660]

>>6565594
You mean there was a strategy countered by existing mechanics that didn't necessitate banning skills and artifacts and creating new ones?

[Anonymous No.6565662]

>want to start for MM1
>don't have grid cartographer
>Don't have any grid paper around in the house

[Anonymous No.6565667]

>>6565660
>You mean there was a strategy countered by existing mechanics
and contributing to a very explicit meta of might >>> magic supremacy by a landslide, but let's ignore that

[Anonymous No.6565686]

>>6565662
>not using MS Paint
fucking boomer

[Anonymous No.6565687]

>>6565637
Maybe mixing satanics, demons etc. with dimensional portal stuff

[Anonymous No.6565732]

>>6565508
I prefer it, but I don't hate the homm3 portraits.

[Anonymous No.6565773]

>>6565732
no hate, homm3 is awesome too, just homm2 has that certain weird artistic touch that simply feels good. Would love to see heroes from H3 done in H2 style

[Anonymous No.6565786]

Don't open if you haven't played the Shadow of Death expansion yet.

[Anonymous No.6565795]

>>6565786
noooo....NOOOOOO IT CANT BE TRUE

[Anonymous No.6565797]

>>6565786
this just doesn't make any sense

[Anonymous No.6565882]

>>6565786
>tfw no homm cosplaying gf

[Anonymous No.6565924]

Heroes Chronicles for anyone who wants to play them:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nk3z0bwb06p/HC.rar/file
extract to Maps folder and go to New > Campaign > Custom and go chronologically one by one

[Anonymous No.6565945]

>>6565924
I remember that the conflux campaign was cool but that's about it
The last campaign was underwhelming as no big payoff happens

[Anonymous No.6565968]

Tarnum sucks

[Anonymous No.6565972]

>>6565786
I've got a bone to pick with that Conflux thot

[Anonymous No.6566004]

>>6565968
campaigns might not be great but I'm a sucker for that highlander shit

[Anonymous No.6566007]

>>6566004
I wish Tarnum, Gelu, Lucifer Kreegan, and Xeron all got on the Lincoln and flew into the sun

[Anonymous No.6566032]

>>6566007
e-elaborate pls...?!

[Anonymous No.6566049]

>>6566032
>Tarnum
HOMM3's eternal jew. Did something happen? Tarnum did it. So shitty he even made it into H4 even where the others failed
>Gelu
Edgy emo outsider character who is "good" but does the most retarded god awful shit ever because muh sword and destiny
>Lucifer Kreegan
Did a 12 year old write this?
>Xeron
Canonically 9 years old. At most.

Their writing at the end got lazy and atrocious. Sure Gavin Magnus was immortal too but he was a midwit backed by a genie, and Kilgore was never expected to be anything but one dimensional, but man those four sucked

[Anonymous No.6566273]

>>6566004
why does that overlord look so retarded and why is dracon so jacked?

[Anonymous No.6566397]

>>6566273
fireballs are heavy

[Anonymous No.6566476]

>>6566397
makes me wonder, what do people in bracada eat? Gremlins? Since genies are magicly summoned creatures do they need food? And what about Naga, the hindu river spirits what are they doing up the mountain, are they summoned too? I guess they just chill on top of the mountain all day and snack escaped gremlins or mountain goats

[Anonymous No.6566797]

>>6566476
Look at the MM7 map, most of the area is barren with desert in the northeast and southwest, but there's a huge body of water southeast of them. Main food sources for the humans are probably fish, trade with Erathia, and whatever is conjured with the Create Food spell. For those up in the snowy mountains most likely berries or bugs.

[Anonymous No.6566885]

>>6566476
I always thought that he was holding a shovel. Only now I see that it was an axe all along.

[Anonymous No.6566927]

*sees the thread * ah nice let's play - starts the game and my main city is called Corona (T_______T) .........
(°Д°)︵/(.□ . \)

[Anonymous No.6566971]

>>6566927
>city is named "crown"
>goes into a reddit emoji fit
what is wrong with you and why are you playing the most expensive castle in the game

[Anonymous No.6566987]

>>6565786
Nice wings

[Anonymous No.6566989]

[Anonymous No.6566991]

>>6565662
>Didn't just use any given piece of paper
Pleb

[Anonymous No.6567000]

>>6566476
Trade with Erathia I assume

[Anonymous No.6567009]

>>6566476
It's called "magic".
Ever heard about it?

[Anonymous No.6567026]

>>6566797
>>6567000
>>6567009
Considering that barbarians are right around the corner in the deserts to the north, i belive they buy goblins for food and gremlins.

[Anonymous No.6567030]

>>6566476
I think that apart from Mages/Archmages, all other creatures in Tower are not natural but either magical constructs or summoned/bonded magical servants. In essence, only the Wizards need to eat, the rest is running on magical energies.
>>6566885
a shovel artifact would be cool; one that would allow you to dig for the grail and not lose your remaining movement points, similarly to how Sea Captain's Hat gives you the ability to embark/disembark without effectively ending your turn, so you could dig multiple times in a turn instead of just once. Probably would have to be a relic too.

[Anonymous No.6567058]

>>6565481
You can download the chronicles campaigns (a quick google should find them) then play them as a custom campaign. Theres a few things that are potentially broken this way:

You will start gettinng cove heroes alongside your main faction heroes in tavern.
Crypts can give combination artifacts (im assuming this means topes and anything that gives relics will give them too). I got a power of dragon father from a crypt.

[Anonymous No.6567106]

is the homm1 peasant an aryan übermensch?
I can't see what color are his eyes.

[Anonymous No.6567116]

>>6567106
God forbid no, he is slavic, a normal human being

[Anonymous No.6567123]

>>6567116
Oh, I see.

[Anonymous No.6567185]

>>6565594
isn't that counterplay reliant on both the orb spawning on the map and it being in your hands when you fight the magic user in question

[Anonymous No.6567189]

>>6567106
naeh, ruthenian

[Anonymous No.6567232]

>>6567116
HoMM2 archer upscaled.

[Anonymous No.6567238]

>>6567232
either spoiler that womanoid crap or get the hell out of my hommo general REEEEEEEEWWWW

[Anonymous No.6567241]

>>6567238
relax, donko

[Anonymous No.6567248]

>>6567232

[Anonymous No.6567271]

>>6567248
anyone else used to think they were men?

[Anonymous No.6567272]

>>6567271
yeah, I didnt realize until I was an adult

[Anonymous No.6567282]

>>6567271
THEY'RE NOT?

[Anonymous No.6567297]

>>6567271
naeh

[Anonymous No.6567324]

>>6567241
t-thanks desu...*_*

[Anonymous No.6567460]

goddamn it is hard to create circling mountains in this map editor; any tips on how to do it and for it not to look as a copy paste atrocity?

[Anonymous No.6567479]

>>6567460
just make a bigger circle

[Anonymous No.6567543]

>>6567460
If you draw a circle,
Then you dot the eyes,
Add a great big smile,
And presto! It's Kirby!

[Anonymous No.6567595]

>>6567026
What does necromancy do with all the meat on the corpse bones? Do they just scrape it all off and leave it on the battlefield? Does it magically disappear? They must sell all that meat for a little profit.

>>6567030
Digging multiple times with a hero sounds too powerful. At most just 2 times. But I think allowing you to dig once a day no matter your movement would be enough. That would cut your digging turns in half just by allowing you to move to the next spot and not having to wait a turn to be able to dig.

[Anonymous No.6567815]

>>6567460
this is comfy as fuck

[Anonymous No.6567969]

>>6561236
>T1: Quilin, those stone dog/lion hybrid statues.
Good
>T2: Terracotta soldier.
What the fuck is a terracotta soldier
>T3: Ninja. Shooter.
How is ninja a shooter?
>T4: Martial artist. Upgrade has no retal.
Come up with a better name
>T5: Priest or Shrine Maiden. Shooter, casts buffs on allies.
Come up with a better name AND a better unit
>T6: Ki-rin. Mythical deer/horse/dragon creature.
Alright
>T7: Eastern dragon. Flyer.
So kirin

2/10 I didn't think it was possible to put in less effort than Sanctuary but you done made me proud

[Anonymous No.6568028]

>>6567969
Not him but a Terracotta Soldier is from the Terracotta Army. A couple thousand years ago an emperor in China had a fuckload of statues made out of terracotta to depict his army. They've excavated individual statues in the amount of around 8000 soldiers, 500 horses, and 100 chariots. I assume he means the terracotta soldier would be a moving statue and not the actual soldiers they depict. Basically it'd be a swordsman/stone golem hybrid. As for ninja being a shooter, I assume he's thinking like throwing stars?
Either way, pretty unimaginative lineup.

Remembered this one post a few months back where an anon was spitting some asian themed ideas, found it in archive and stitched the posts together. I like it because it doesn't rely on the stereotypical shit and leans more on the more terrifying and inhuman side of things.

[Anonymous No.6568131]

>>6567460
Overlay the mountains with one another to hide the parts that jump out as copies and make the outside irregularly shaped.

[Anonymous No.6568158]

>>6567969
you know what a "quilin" (foo lion) is, but not a terracotta soldier?

[Anonymous No.6568269]

>>6568158
>"quilin"
Acshually, Kirin is the same thing as Qilin, just a Japanese variation of Chinese creature's name. "Stone lion" thingies are called Shishi/Komainu.

[Anonymous No.6568378]

>>6561236
Samurai - Might hero
Wūshī - Magic hero

shame Shaman is already taken, since it's a manchurian word which could've been used for the magic class

Also they need something related to Jade in one of their creatures.
Maybe instead of the priest. Jade Priest, I dunno.
.

[Anonymous No.6568381]

>>6561236
>>6568028
>>6568378
What would their native terrain be?

>inb4 grass
Grass already has 2, 3 if you're using SoD, it doesn't need another Town.

[Anonymous No.6568394]

I had an idea on how to make the poor peasant a bit more interesting and valuable; add the H5 ability
>Taxpayer - +1 gold per day for each peasant in your army
and raise it to +10 to be at least somewgat meaningful. And another one that came to mind
>Levy - upgrade the peasant into any basic human unit by paying the full unit cost in the appropriate castle
So, if Necromancers can get skellingtons out of the Transformer, why not give peasants some added flexibility that would make you want to take them on as sort of a "multitool population"? Units I had in mind were Pikeman, Archers, Swordsman, Mages and Rogues - in their encampment on the map - neatly covers the basic archetypes (Fighter/Mage/Thief). Wouldn't go beyond lvl. 4 to keep things "lowly" lel. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6568431]

>>6568394
or keep it up to level 2 only, to keep things low, "balanced" and "uniform" - that would still give you Pikemen, Archers and Rogues - and once the Dervish town from H3SW is introduced in HotA as well, Acolytes will become an option as well, as will Rogues in the town itself. Upgade should work in the external dwellings as it would in towns, for some additional flexibility - but not in hill forts.

[Anonymous No.6568436]

Why a snowy faction has snakes and genies anyway?

[Anonymous No.6568440]

>>6568431
>once the Dervish town from H3SW is introduced in HotA
interest

>>6568436
>>6567030

[Anonymous No.6568467]

>>6567595
they feed the zombies and walking dead with it, think we see one snacking on a leg during the cinematic

>>6568378
>samurai
yikes,oof! get out of here this is cringe

>>6568394
>10 gold per creature
yeah seems balanced considering you get 20 in each dweling every week, just start stashing thousainds at a sawmill or something and watch them outproduce your capitol - very balanced idea

>>6568436
genies just got summoned by the wizards who chose to live in the comfy snowly isolated mountains, about the nagas well i've wonderd this myself, any M&M fags got any info? Did the wizards summon them?

[Anonymous No.6568486]

The problem with nagas is they are clearly D&D mariliths, which are demons you summon from the abyss. Nagas are supposed to be snakes with women faces who live in water.

[Anonymous No.6568530]

>>6568440
>genies and nagas
In case of Tower, both are bonded magic servants; we know that a Christmas town is already in the works while they are still ironing out the Factory and hopefully they will realize the H3SW Dervish town or reimagine the Oasis town that was already done for a different mod. The theme is sound and lineups not that hard to think of, we only need to wait.
>>6568467
>very balanced idea
if you had three Hovels that gave you +25 x 3 peasants a week, at +1 gold, that is +75g per stack per day in the first week. If you keep stocking them for that purpose only and we take the ideal scenario that you don't lose any or the ownership of the dwellings, you would get something like this:
>1st week total 525g
>2nd week total 1575g
>3rd week total 3725g
>4th week total 4875g
With 300 peasants at the end of the first month after you started recruiting them, under ideal conditions, you would get some 4875 gold...which would turn into 48750 with +10 bonus. So yeah, I think you are correct, +10 would be too much. Maybe tweak it to give a range of +1-3 for good measure and a bit of randomness.
(pic related says: "I'm selling a business-ready operation")

[Anonymous No.6568538]

>>6568394
Turning peasants into swordsmen or mages would be very OP. Balance wise, they could be promotable into any T1 unit in the appropriate town. I know it doesn't make much sense if they turn into trogdolytes, but that's the only way it wouldn't be broken.

[Anonymous No.6568569]

>>6568530
*gross total, sorry, for all the peasanta that you've acumulate so far for a given week

>>6568538
Yeah, that's why I changed it in the next post to only be limited to T1 and T2 - but I would still keep it human only. It would limit what you can do with them and it is a bit "retarded" for them to become sprites or imps or gnolls. Getting their exact neutral dwelling on the map is already a happenstance, so I don't think additions like this would upset the game balance at all, just give a useless unit that might as well not be in the game at all a bit of utility and spotlight.

[Anonymous No.6568582]

[Anonymous No.6568598]

[Anonymous No.6568625]

The year Heroes of Might and Magic1 was released in Japan aired:
Zenki
Magic Knight Rayearth
Slam Dunk
Bakuretsu Hunters
Evangelion
Macross 7
Captain Tsubasa J
Mobile Suit Gundam W
Fushigi Yuugi
Slayers
Tenchi Muyou!
Street Fighter II V
Mahoujin Guruguru
Macross 7
Golden Boy

Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.6568687]

>>6568530
Idk man peasants in homm5 were balanced since you had to use them and they werent complete dogshit, in homm3 and 2 they are a joke - do you really mean to tell me the average malnourished dude cant beat up a goblin,imp,pixie or dwarf?

>>6568538
just have them cost ALOT like in homm5 then its balanced, i think WoG had somethig like that about extended upgrades

>>6568582
i used to be a capitol fag for years untill i realised how much supperiour armychads were

[Anonymous No.6568734]

So, I'm banning diplomacy because it would be especially OP on my map. Also banning learning because I'm capping levels at 21. Ballistics and artillery are better than I thought (though still not great). The one I'm struggling with is first aid; it's crap, right? I can see it being useful in keeping your lvl 6s and 7s alive in the early game or later when fighting much weaker enemies, but is that worth a skill? I'm leaning towards "no".

[Anonymous No.6568747]

>>6568734
First aid has a couple of uses in the early game as you say, but it's extremely unlikely that you'd see it in action, ever. You need the skill, the tent, a high-level creature to tank with, and a fight where it makes a difference. All of that coming together happens once in a blue moon.
I'd just say ban it.

[Anonymous No.6568756]

>>6568381
Not many other options for potential terrain outside of marsh (essentially swamp) and salt flats (essentially wasteland), but I’ve thought of something fairly unique. Elevated terrain. Made an example of what I’m sort of thinking.

It would look like less steep mountains, and it would be "climbable".
The terrain would only cover 2 tiles as a border before transitioning to existing terrain.
Since it’s just 2 tiles and it’s a steep incline, it would need a huge penalty. Perhaps 800%? As native terrain the penalty could be half that.

[Anonymous No.6568773]

>>6561491
Tried this hoping it had some similarity, almost threw my phone away in disgust.

[Anonymous No.6568830]

>>6568158
>you know what a "quilin" (foo lion) is, but not a terracotta soldier?
If an image of a creature isn't immediately recognizable in mass consciousness as a fantasy creature it's probably a poor fit for Heroes. This is why all the non-descriptive bullshit in Ubisoft heroes like "Blazing Glory" or "juggernaut" feels so out of place. Dog lions and Chinese dragons show up all over the place in modern fantasy games by those names, Chinese golem army though... It's not a completely terrible concept but you'd have to name them something else and in any case they'd clash with already existing golems of other type and allegiance. Personally I don't think an asian-themed faction is impossible to fit in Heroes considering how much of an eclectic soup it already is but it would need just as much though and finesse as a concept of a high-tech/steampunk faction. Just making it another panasian Pandaria-like is low effort.

[Anonymous No.6568852]

>>6568830
but terracotta soldiers are way more well known, you just happen to know an obscure thing of myth while missing a piece of basic history

[Anonymous No.6568875]

>>6568830
Terracotta Army is widely know even by normies. It's not some obscure mythology, it's a huge historical site. Not that it matters because half the units in homm3 aren't instantly recognizable, nobody cares about that. Naming them something else sounds retarded and even goes against your point of being recognizable, but I do agree they clash with already existing golems.

>>6568028
I like some of the things in this, but some feel like they'd also clash.
The jobbuko would just be a cooler dendroid.
Chinese dragon and fenghuang feel kind of tired, we already have no many birds and dragons.
We already have necro, so having a skeleton unit, the gashodukuro, outside of that town doesnt sound right.

[Anonymous No.6568968]

>>6568394
Just give them 4 speed

[Anonymous No.6568971]

>>6568582
>>6568687
It really depends on a map, to build or not to build it.

[Anonymous No.6569009]

>>6568875
>Not that it matters because half the units in homm3 aren't instantly recognizable
Absolute majority of them are fantasy staples, but even those that aren't are simple enough. Like, everybody knows what an orc or a skeleton or a cerberus or naga is. Basically, for the love of god, keep it simple, because it's in the DNA of the game to be simple and accessible without drowning into some specific lore.

[Anonymous No.6569010]

What are some good maps for HOMM3 or 5 that have good starting strength?

[Anonymous No.6569029]

>>6568734
why the fuck would you ever bother to put a level cap on the map? 21, why? You need 22 levels to fill out all eight skill slots and after that its a huge drag for +1 stat and a tiny percentage on your hero's speciality

>>6568971
generaly not worth it because you are exchanging a week worth of soldiers and map control for a few thousaind town gold but you could use that new army to aquire more map gold sooner to fuel your expanse better

[Anonymous No.6569037]

>>6568378
Samurai sounds OK, Shaman isn't really taken. Why not Priest/Priestess?

[Anonymous No.6569041]

>>6568467
Info from old NWC website for MM8 read: 'Wizards often summon magical beasts to protect treasures and sacred sites. Only the most powerful are capable of calling and controlling guardians as powerful as the Naga. Possessed of great strength, skill and patience, Nagas make perfect protectors.'

So a strong extraplanar creature.

[Anonymous No.6569091]

>>6569041
Basically homm3 nagas are marilith with serial number filed off.

[Anonymous No.6569128]

>>6568687
just thinking out loud, brainstorming shit for heroes is fun
>>6568734
Learning, as it is currently, is dogshit so there is no use in banning it for the "benefits" it will give - ban it for how useless it is. Essentially it is a dead slot that literally does nothing at all for your hero; here is a quote from the guy that actually did the math:
>Using information found on the level advancement page, you can calculate that if non-learned hero gains 55000 experience, hero's level will be 18. Say you've learned basic Learning at level 3, advanced at level 5 and expert at level 8, this would have turned 55000 experience into 62475 experience, making that hero level ... 18. Basically, you've wasted 3 level ups, and barely got 1 extra level up by the time you're level 20. So, unless you plan to develop this hero towards level 30, avoid this skill. I must admit I was deceived by it until I did the calculations and won't choose it again unless I'm playing a large map and building a superhero. But even in that case I'll think hard - an extra useful skill could do more good than a few primary skill points. So, avoid Learning complete, be stupid, and you'll be smart :)
that bonus would have to be pumped up significantly for it to have any effect, probably to something like 50/100/150 or even 100/150/200
>>6568381
>>6568756
just invent a new terrain set, something like "Arboreal" or something similar

[Anonymous No.6569130]

>>6568875
>half the units in homm3 aren't instantly recognizable
except that they are; H3SW dev put it nicely:
>The dominant factors are "simplicity", which means that the creature must be well-known in popular culture and its name must be available to guess just while looking at its exterior, "mythological origin", which means that the creature is likely to come from mythology or old-age religious images, and "fairy-taleness" which means that the creature cannot be a grimdark D&D concept, it should look like a creature from a child game, when even the skeletons are smiling and zombies are clumsy. This is what pretty much defines the Heroes 2 creature pool.

Complex philosophy concepts are pretty much not required, because Heroes 2 is a simple game. I don't want to see any kind of Lamassu or Naga or other concepts from modern games where the designers had to think their brains out for a newer image so they had to dig deep in not-so-well-known mythologies of the East. Heroes 2 is a Western game, and all creatures portrayed there are Western in origin, and even the Genies/Nomads are so generic because that's how they look in the eyes of Western people. Disney's Aladdin included.
similar way of thinking - with just a bit more leniency - goes for heroes 3 too imo.

[Anonymous No.6569131]

Are Josephine (golem specialist, Mysticism + Sorcery) and Neela (Armourer specialist, Armourer + Scholar) the only good Tower heroes?

[Anonymous No.6569132]

>>6565924
Thanks a lot my good man.

[Anonymous No.6569136]

>>6568687
>>6568971
fuck that I want my week 2 sweet 4000g to start pouring in; here, let me make another

[Anonymous No.6569137]

>>6569131
Did you forget about Solmyr or you have an actual reason why you think he is bad?
Also there are other heroes there who have some decent meme use.

[Anonymous No.6569138]

>>6569131
Aine is arguably the best and of course Solmyr for the memes

[Anonymous No.6569143]

>>6569136

[Anonymous No.6569147]

Grass is such an annoying terrain to work with. Any empty space at all feels wrong because of how featureless the terrain itself is. I didn't do as good a job with this, but I'll probably let it be since grass ultimately gives you so little to work with: you have forests and... forests with mountains.

[Anonymous No.6569148]

>>6568028
>>6568381
>>6569128
lot of different biomes to choose from, for an asian mythology inspired town. Kamigawa from mtg could be a good source for inspiration for a lot of ideas I think.

[Anonymous No.6569152]

>>6569147
mix a bit stuff from Highlands and from Dirt palette in there to spice it up a bit and you're good, the map itself looks neat.

[Anonymous No.6569156]

>>6569152
It's a SoD map so I can't use highlands stuff, but I'll see about mixing in even more dirt things.

[Anonymous No.6569161]

>>6568734
>>6568747
Banning skills is gay

[Anonymous No.6569162]

>>6569137
I consider Solmyr to be a low-skill meme. Oh wow, you start with Chain Lighting, what a powerful hero!

[Anonymous No.6569164]

>>6569147
>Those straight, straight roads

[Anonymous No.6569197]

>>6569162
wouldn't say he is a low skill meme, just that it falls of power-wise at the end of mid game and into the late game. But in early game and few first encounters with your opponents it can be devastating and it does require you to position those one stack gargoyles correctly so it wouldn't backfire. On small and medium maps he reigns supreme. Fun spell.

[Anonymous No.6569203]

Nothin' personal, kid

[Anonymous No.6569246]

>>6569131
It's funny but Josephine was mentioned as the most useless in the beginning of this thread, that post was apparently deleted though.

[Anonymous No.6569258]

>>6569147
Looks great

[Anonymous No.6569273]

>>6569246
you're mixing up threads fren, it was this post >>6555064 from the previous one

[Anonymous No.6569306]

>>6569273
Damn, I guess threads are faster nowadays thanks to the hota controversy.

[Anonymous No.6569315]

>>6569091
On point. H3 was surprisingly heavy on ripping from DnD (not that I mind). Look at the Imp and Asmodeus from the 1st edition or Iron golem from 2nd.

[Anonymous No.6569386]

>>6569029
pretty sure I just checked last night and it was 21, if its 22 I'll change it to that
and why? because fuck that endless progression shit, especially on a gargantuan map

[Anonymous No.6569409]

What does this do?

[Anonymous No.6569415]

>>6569409
https://h3hota.com/en/documentation#arena-mode

[Anonymous No.6569418]

>>6569415
thanks

[Anonymous No.6569420]

>>6569147
What I like about Grass is that anything goes. You can put stuff from Dirt, Rough, Swamp... pretty much everything but Lava and Snow and it still fits the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.6569489]

>>6569037
>Shaman isn't really taken.
oh right, for some reason I thought the Battle Mages were called Shamans.

[Anonymous No.6569678]

>Slimes
>Corrosive slimes
>Acidic Ooze
JUST LET ME FUCKING HIT YOU WITH SWORDS AND BOWS AND DAGGERS AND SHIT

[Anonymous No.6569798]

>>6569678
Kek wand up son

[Anonymous No.6569835]

>>6569386
what progression, you are litteraly slaying milions of creatures for +1 stat at that point, at it scales worse and wrose

[Anonymous No.6569843]

>>6569835
whatever, man
I see heroes on G maps with 30+ in each stat before midgame

[Anonymous No.6569907]

>>6569843
>G maps
how many turns on average game takes on these monstrosities?

[Anonymous No.6569916]

>>6569907
no idea because ive never finished one
the one I got furthest on was past 6 months and I only covered about 2/3s of one layer

[Anonymous No.6569917]

>>6569798
What, do I have to fucking town portal over to free haven in order to buy a wand, or is it better just to wait in ironfist?

[Anonymous No.6569919]

>>6569916
>G map with underground

[Anonymous No.6569925]

>>6569919
>G map with underground and dp/tp are banned

[Anonymous No.6570223]

>>6569917
Yeah I guess I'm trying to think which mobs drop wands regularly, druids I think. Most of the time I just cheese it past them if possible. They never guard anything good anyway

[Anonymous No.6570227]

>>6569418
The death knight

[Anonymous No.6570234]

>>6569418
These lineups are fucking great

[Anonymous No.6570272]

so I stumbled upon that map anon posted in the last thread, and I noticed we got a new obelisk color

[Anonymous No.6570431]

>>6570234
H3SW is fucking great, honestly better than SoD or HotA and it's just v.0.8; can't wait for them to flesh out all the factions and implement the flexibility of HD mod, it's gonna be fuckin sweet

[Anonymous No.6570440]

>>6570272
Correct

[Anonymous No.6570447]

>>6555064
>>6569246
>Golems gain the badly needed +1 to speed
>This is somehow useless
As for skills, literally EVERY Tower hero is lame, with even lamer progression

[Anonymous No.6570452]

>>6570447
They should've given sir Mulich to Tower

[Anonymous No.6570472]

>>6570452
Tower and Stronghold slowness is unironically the reason why I started playing WoG a decade ago - it allows to switch Tactics to instead add +1/2/3 Speed, repending on level, rather than the regular "set your units where you want them"

[Anonymous No.6570484]

>>6570447
It is not very good because Golems just aren't ever a powerstack - it's hard to amass them, they don't have the initiative to deliver a deft first strike either way, and Tower's development plan to Titans is carried by Master Gremlins (buffed by Master Genies) and early Nagas. Mysticism is worse than Scholar (Neela can at least save some time on visiting every trash shrine out there) and Sorcery isn't a good skill.

You pick Neela if you want a guaranteed decently scaling hero (due to Armorer specialty), otherwise Aine or Solmyr for early game while fishing for a better hero in tavern (any generic Barbarian will do, Orrin is the pipe dream, could hire an Elementalist too I guess). That's about it. I'd even take Torosar over Josephine to bait the AI into taking useless hits at my ballista, and for starting Tactics.

[Anonymous No.6570613]

anybody in here in contact with the HotA folks? I just found a bug; the pop-up picture of the haspids uses the old art

[Anonymous No.6570789]

>>6569678
There is nowhere in the game where you have to fight them. The only place they get annoying is in the lair of the wolf and you can run mostly run around them.

That said, you should have a water caster, start spamming those ice bolts.

[Anonymous No.6570793]

>>6569678
There is nowhere in the game where you have to fight them. The only place they get annoying is in the lair of the wolf and you can mostly run around them.

That said, you should have a water caster, start spamming those ice bolts. If you got anyone to expert in air for Fly then sparks works just fine.

[Anonymous No.6570830]

>>6569843
who the fuck plays G maps anyway? they have gazilion of mercenary camps, gardens of knowledge, war academiese, mage towers etc etc but +8 stats random stats after killing milions of creatures is too much?

here plus +13 fucking stats from one random little area of a random G map, meanwhile leveling up 13 times after level 22 costs 1116433 xp, you are delusional

[Anonymous No.6570842]

>>6570830
cherry-picked bullshit from a random map

[Anonymous No.6571041]

>>6570842
it was completely random, i have to cherry pick a location of the map to not have any power up stations on it, its a fucking G map you moron, lots of them are going to spawn regardless limit or are you actualy going to handcraft a G map and cap it at 22?

[Anonymous No.6571050]

>>6571041
>are you actualy going to handcraft a G map and cap it at 22
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6571071]

>>6561236
it's kind of funny how westerners always mash together Asian countries despite the fact that Asians fucking hate each other

[Anonymous No.6571095]

I decided to try HOMM3 a few months ago, but man does it feel hard. The game is always pretty easy up until around what feels like mid game when it feels like everyone but me is pumping out hardcore units constantly and managing to take every single castle I leave for a moment, annihilating my best armies, leaving me to rebuild for weeks while their deathstacks start rolling through all of my land.

Are there any ways of actually getting good at this?

[Anonymous No.6571102]

>>6571095
im sure there are lists of tips and strategies online that you could google

[Anonymous No.6571146]

>>6571095

Coyot and Jolly Joker’s guides are good places to start, just google them. They aren’t RUSSIAN PRO PLAY tier but its solid info to get your feet wet and doing the campaigns and scenarios even at the highest difficulties.

Otherwise, watching good players on youtube is the best way to learn. Mekick has a lot of good beginner info and a ton of content. I learned the most watching Meridian’s videos - he has all the HOMM3 campaigns and Chronicles uploaded on impossible with pretty much no savescumming, plays slow and explains things very well.

[Anonymous No.6571180]

>>6571050
then why fucking limit it at 22? what incentive do people have to keep fighting after that? will you ban necromany too becaus of how "overpowered" it is?

[Anonymous No.6571330]

>Specialty: Diplomacy
damn, I love this girl

[Anonymous No.6571553]

>>6570440
OH GOD. Just when I thought Hota can't be more retarded....

WHY to change subterrain?? Sod's obelisk was completely fine and now intended by NWC colour scheme for subterrain is ruined with this... red colour. Why red? Why have they added retarded orange and slightly differently shaded green?

It's obvious hota morons know nothing about design. NWC intended for obelisks to be of cold, soft colors. No good artist would add reds and oranges to screw everything up.

Jezzus

[Anonymous No.6571556]

>>6571553
(cont)

Ah I see. Prdie-colored dragons and obelisks are suited for the same agenda

[Anonymous No.6571567]

>>6571553
sup hotaspaz

[Anonymous No.6571609]

>>6571553
>>6571556
>NWC intended
>prdie-colors
you are laughable

[Anonymous No.6571676]

>>6571553
>>6571556

[Anonymous No.6571682]

>>6570484
If anything, I was maining Fafner for... dunno... 5 years? 6? Literally my first 5 years of HoMM3, if not longer, was nothing more than Tower with Fafner, simply because he gives nagas +1 to Speed. He's also the reason why I learned to appriciate Resistance and generally not hating Tower, even if stat-wise, hero-wise, unit-wise and price-wise it's 2nd worst faction, aside Inferno being probably the only faction which I can pin-point and say "this is worse than rest of them". Not as bad as Inferno, but it's literally "Inferno < Tower < everything else" for me.

tl;dr +1 Speed is a godsend for certain units

[Anonymous No.6571807]

>>6571553
Black doesn't fit Subterrain's palette at all actually. Light Green (Dirt) and Red are best for it.

[Anonymous No.6571821]

>>6571180
>what incentive do people have to keep fighting after that?
to win, obviously

[Anonymous No.6571839]

>>6570440
>>6571553
this is how I do it
light blue is castle grass, dark green is rampart grass

[Anonymous No.6571890]

>>6571839
>How to make the obelisks invisible
The snow one is just trolling

[Anonymous No.6571909]

>>6571890
poor baby

[Anonymous No.6571951]

>>6571821
yeah nice going asshole, the hero will reach cap in the first 10% of the map then they would have to hit the level cap notification after EVERY battle, way to make your retardingly large map not retardingly boring

>matching the exact terrain color with the respective obelisk
this is autism anon

[Anonymous No.6571967]

>>6571951
So use different heroes, faglord.

[Anonymous No.6572010]

>>6571839
the point of the obelisks is not for them to blend into their surroundings but to strike out; it's more aesthetically pleasing that way imo

[Anonymous No.6572020]

>>6571890
>>6571951
>>6572010
Just absolutely horrible opinions.

[Anonymous No.6572073]

>>6571967
litteraly anti-fun, you'll never finish your shitty map and even if you somehow do, no one would finish it either

[Anonymous No.6572106]

>>6572073
ok, have a nice day

[Anonymous No.6572123]

>>6570484
they fixed Mysticism in HotA so it now gives 5/10/15 instead of 2/3/4 which is not only a substantial increase but helps you go clearing for days while still having enough mana for every combat and the skill becomes entirely ridiculous with the spell discount Mages give. And I wouldn't say (Iron) Golems aren't a powerstack - at 200g for def 10 hp 35 and taking only 25% dmg from spells, they rule T3 as unrivaled cost-effective tanks, with enough speed and attack to jump into melee when someone closes in on your shooters. They are not designed as a primary offensive tool but as a defensive tank, both to protect your squishier ranged units and defend your towns. If only they could be upgraded further to Steel/Gold/Diamond in their respective dwellings on the map, they would be valid all the way into the late game.

>>6571682
funny enough, Fafner was the first hero I've ever stuck with when I first found out about the game some 20 years ago, when I didn't understand anything about how stuff actually worked and thought Good to Go was the best map in the game lel. I wouldn't say that Tower is 2nd worst faction, far from it. The lineup is solid, creature specials great, support buildings too, some good heroes there to boost your army even further, the only problem - they cost an arm and a leg. On the maps where you would be hard pressed for resources or starved for them, you will have a hard time, in any other occasion most of your creatures will outclass the opponent, especially when amply supplied with buffs.

[Anonymous No.6572124]

>>6571839
I sort them by whose player's zone they're in.

Red Player = red Obelisk
and so on.

[Anonymous No.6572132]

>>6572020
>guuuhhhhhh da gween obewisk go on da gween gwound nd da wite obewisk go on da wite gwound huuuuuhghgggghhuuhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.6572150]

>>6572124
>>6571839
>highlands
would be pink, but its grey on this map
>sand
would be yellow, but there is no sand faction
>snow
this is tower, which is teal
>dirt
necropolis, purple
>swamp
fortress, pink
>grass (castle)
blue
>lava
inferno, red
>rough
stronghold, tan
>subterranean
dungeon, orange
>grass (rampart)
green

so that's 6 out of 8 matches for flags, with two that dont have flagged factions

[Anonymous No.6572172]

>>6572020
>>6572150
why would you color match a map object that cannot be captured and is unrelated to any of the towns in any way with the flags? As they are, they contrast nicely with the terrain they are on.

[Anonymous No.6572175]

>>6572073
don't tell me you ever use only one main hero lol

[Anonymous No.6572186]

>Obelisk colors

Good question. Usually I pick the one that's most compatible with its immediate surroundings such as nature and other locations. Pic related is my attempt at an example. Light blue location => light blue Obelisk.

[Anonymous No.6572203]

>>6572172
Because I like it.

[Anonymous No.6572206]

>>6572172
For the aesthetic, duh

[Anonymous No.6572216]

>>6572150
>grass (castle)
>blue
Can recommend. It also vibes very well with (blue) rivers.

[Anonymous No.6572256]

don't know what some of you faggots are complaining about, just started a game with Josey and she's rockin', golems are taking names and beating the crap out of everything in their path. About to take a shit on a Conflux AI nearby and destroy him.

[Anonymous No.6572291]

>>6572123
>They made Magic even stronger
Not that anon, but doesn't sound like fun to me

I still insist that it's 2nd worst faction, simply because due to costs, you are very easily behind everyone else and your actual units are for the most part lackluster. In fact, there isn't a single "wow" unit in the entire faction.
>Gremlins
Absurdly weak, the fact they are a shooter means shit, when they do mosquito bite damage and have abysmal stats
>Gargoyles
Meh. Not bad, not good, just there
>Golems
Only good when iron, otherwise worse than nothing
>Mages
Too slow and squishy af (I mean mages, I get it, but still), too little growth, even if otherwise solid unit
>Genies
Utterly useless in combat, absurd costs, your fastest unit with just 11 speed (they always go before titans)
>Nagas
The closest this faction gets to solid unit
>Titans
Unupgaded version is a joke, upgrade costs obscene amount of money

So your lineup is "meh", but costs a lot and requires a whole lot of various resources to build. Add to that heroes and native hero classes and you have a faction that might not be utterly terrible, but is distinctively inferior to everything else. I'd rather conceive defeat than bother playing with Tower at random pick - and I used to main this faction.

[Anonymous No.6572294]

>>6572291
Also, I'd argue that gremlins weakness comes from the fact they ARE a shooter, rather than being their strong side. They can be easily neutered and recieve melee penalty when engaging in combat, so not only their range is a joke, when facing anyone upfront, they get trashed.

[Anonymous No.6572309]

>>6572291
I agree with you about it being the second worst faction. Also it's hard to use other creatures like angels or vyverns from external objects due to movement penalty on snow.

[Anonymous No.6572326]

>>6572291
what the fuck were they even thinking with gremlins who throw their ball and chains? why not hobbits?

[Anonymous No.6572367]

>>6572326
They fixed that in HoMM4, giving you exactly that. And hobbits in 4 are one of the best shooter, since they get bonus against high tier targets

[Anonymous No.6572380]

>>6572367
homm2 the wizard faction had hobbits as a T1 shooter, for some reason they changed it in 3 despite not having hobbits in teh game (expansion added them back in)

[Anonymous No.6572412]

>>6572291
>Magic
it's not OP, magic never was, it just sucks less with support skills actually doing what they were supposed to do; otherwise you would have yet another "dead slot" like Eagle Eye or Learning that no one wants, might as well not be in the game at all
>Tower lineup bad
well I beg to differ and here is why, I'm not sure how you "mained" this faction and used it so poorly
>Gremlins
You do understand that the only reason why after you buy two heroes in your Tavern or retreat from combat, your hero comes with a single T1 unit and not with a full troop compliment like the rest are Gremlins? There was something before called "Gremlin rush" where you could amass some good 400+ gremlins on the first day and proceed to charge through neutrals and roflstomp all opposition. Only T1 shooter, OP in early game, just bless them for that maxed damage and shoot away.
>Gargoyles
their prime purpose is tactical - taking away retaliations from enemy stacks that you wish to strike, blocking your shooters and if you're playing Solmyr (or just using chain lightning), serving as "chain lightning nods" as to avoid your more valuable units being hit.
>Golems
as I said before, best T3 tank/defender and when amped-up with spells, a veritable juggernaut
>Mages
good shooter, -2 mp spell discount; just keep'em blocked and fire away
>Genies
the whole point of this unit is multiple spellcasting per round; split them into 3-4 slots and cast five spells per round with ease. This will buff your army to ludicrous levels and using them as a beating stick is simply the wrong way to go.
>Naga
solid overall
>Titans
This is your beating stick. Giants are one of the cheapest T7 dwellings to build IIRC, only Hydra is cheaper. And you can easily get them early enough, att/def/hp are great, buff them with genies and murder everything. Titans speak for themselves.

So your lineup is costly but it isn't "meh", it only requires a bit more thought and strategy then your average Rampart bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6572421]

>>6572412
... so shit units that cost a tonne and are situational at best, terrible on average?
Yeah, exactly my issue with that lineup

Also, tell me how you are going to have in the same time:
1) Functional army
2) Anti-retaliation stacks of gargoyles (who are too slow to pull it reliably anyway)
3) Buffing stacks of genies
Because as far as I know, you have 7 slots in your army and dragging around any of those "situational tactical" stacsk means you aren't lugging around actual unit stack at all.

[Anonymous No.6572431]

>>6572421
why are brits such complete fucking entitled whiny cunts? this is why we left

[Anonymous No.6572438]

>>6572412
>>6572421
And all of this, of course, without stating the obvious:
Short from nagas, you lack actual, reliable firepower that all the other factions have in form of majority/entirety of their line-up

[Anonymous No.6572445]

>>6572431
Is this some 4th of July shitposting? I'm Polish, so we help you leaving. Thanks for zero gratitude and letting niggers chimp out on Kościuszko's statue.

[Anonymous No.6572454]

>>6572421
No, Tower has ok units stat-wise with great specials that are bad or average on their own under certain circumstances but work wonders and are great when used together. And you adapt your strategy depending on how far you are into the game, what approach you wish to use depending on the tools that you have available and what are you attacking and by not sticking to a single hero like a noob. It is a faction that has a steeper learning curve, but when you understand how to use it, becomes quite enjoyable. Same with Fortress, Stronghold or Inferno (still sucks the most though).

[Anonymous No.6572459]

>my pastebin still in the OP
nice

[Anonymous No.6572461]

>>6572412
>>6572454
I don't think you understood the original point. It wasn't "Tower bad", but "Tower 2nd weakest". Didn't prevent you from writing up a wall of text, thou

[Anonymous No.6572465]

>>6572461
you just can't understand it

[Anonymous No.6572469]

>>6572461
But that's what we are here to do damn it, discuss and argue about heroes :X

[Anonymous No.6572501]

>>6572454
>Same with Fortress, Stronghold
While both are rather tricky to figure out, they generally are much stronger than Tower is.

[Anonymous No.6572512]

>>6572465
>Missed the point entirely
>No, you!

[Anonymous No.6572516]

>>6572512
dunning kruger

[Anonymous No.6572519]

>>6572516
Why are you using terms you don't understand, in discussion caused, because you can't read and now are defending your face in anonymous imageboard?
Calm your fucking tits and next time don't start autistically screetching, but read the thesis before replying to it.

[Anonymous No.6572529]

Tower is a great town, especially when I conquer it while playing as Rampart and buy Titans for my hero with expert archery and an assembled bow of the sharpshooter.

[Anonymous No.6572534]

>>6558110
BOOOOOM!

[Anonymous No.6572581]

>>6572461
the original poster did say "2nd worst" not weakest though

[Anonymous No.6572591]

>Hidden passageways
>Dungeon puzzles
Imagine how good a modern non-ubishit MM would be

[Anonymous No.6572774]

>>6572186
Max comfy.

[Anonymous No.6572803]

>>6572591
Wait, was there a MM game udner Ubi?
How shit was it?

[Anonymous No.6572812]

>>6572803
https://store.steampowered.com/app/238750/Might__Magic_X__Legacy/

[Anonymous No.6572832]

Make it Might & Magic related

[Anonymous No.6572864]

>>6572803
Only played it for a little while but they opted for grid based instead of mm6-8 movement and forced turn based combat. Fuck that I want hordes of old Indian men to shoot / Zulus / skellies to kite and nuke with fireballs. God I love Mm6 - 8 cheese. It also didn't have the top tier over the Top VO i've come to expect in m&m

[Anonymous No.6572876]

>>6558173
This from the Australia faction?

[Anonymous No.6573045]

>>6572864
Is that supposed to hurt?

[Anonymous No.6573121]

>>6572803
It's ok but nothing special. Puzzles can be fun but it's incredibly linear compared to the rest of the series with zone gatekeeping. It doesn't really play like Might and Magic, but it was still ok, basically worse than 8 and better than 9. It was clear the devs wanted to do more to tie in with the old world (the elemental lords show up) but Ubi wasn't going to allow it.

[Anonymous No.6573139]

>>6572832
Donko_furry_art.png

[Anonymous No.6573185]

>>6572832

[Anonymous No.6573350]

why is it that almost all of the portraits for campaign cast of heroes look like abhorrent 3d crap in contrast to beautifully drawn portraits for the "regular heroes"? Was it because that's how they looked in cutscenes/3d artwork? I really wish they didn't do that.

[Anonymous No.6573362]

>>6570472
>it allows to switch Tactics to instead add +1/2/3 Speed
utterly disgusting, this is like sir Mulich for everyone, I love it. How does the skill actually work? How is it scaling the speed bonus given? Wouldn't change Tactics for it, crap like this requires a skill all of it's own.

[Anonymous No.6573375]

>>6573350
Imagine Gelu drawn in the style of pic related and not looking like a fat demon irishman with down syndrome. Eh.

[Anonymous No.6573378]

>>6573375
forgot pic, of course

[Anonymous No.6573405]

>>6572175
one main, some couriers and maybe one to load an auxiliary force if i have a non-native developed town and the game goes long enough, i dont switch the army to sub-heroes except in campaign when there is a fucking level cap limit (seriously such a dogshit mechanic) but there are other carryover heroes

>>6573350
because they knew its not worth the effort since most people wont play the campaigns and they have zero replayability

[Anonymous No.6573420]

>>6573405
fkin care bare

[Anonymous No.6573467]

>>6573405
>since most people wont play the campaigns and they have zero replayability
makes no sense to me, campaigns are just hand-crafted scenarios with more lore, events and special conditions, arguably the most fun and challenging pve you can play in homm

[Anonymous No.6573627]

>>6573405
The overwhelming number of players never touched multiplayer, they were casual and left the game either after a few scenarios getting stuck or after completing the campaigns. The portraits were done to match the cutscenes where graphics limitations were much stricter at the time.

[Anonymous No.6573668]

>>6572832
took me an hour in paint, dont even care if i dont get alot of (You)s, i had fun making it and hopefuly some anons could get a chuckle

>>6573627
huh i guess you were right, i never saw it that way

[Anonymous No.6573672]

>>6573668
lel
why is inferno so shit bros
how did it not come up a single time during development

[Anonymous No.6573994]

>>6572123
Where's Emilia?

[Anonymous No.6574006]

>>6572774
>Hota
Not Comfy.

[Anonymous No.6574067]

>>6572774
>Water objects in lakes
The patrician's choice in map design

[Anonymous No.6574073]

>>6573350
Catherine is what irritates me the most. Her hair looks so unnatural that I used to think it was a headwear made of Tiger's pelt, kind of like the Wolf pelt in pic related.

If I recall correctly Catherine's portrait in RoE campaign was a screencap of the game intro with her standing in profile in front of a red sunset. It looked so much better.

[Anonymous No.6574095]

>>6574006
why, you litteral fucking gay nigger?

>posting a water map
its littearly baren fucking wastelands you mongoloid, HotA improved water immensly and added things

the fucking irony

[Anonymous No.6574125]

is there an archive of heroes sound files?
I'd like to get the horse trotting sound effect.

[Anonymous No.6574172]

>>6561236
>Quilin
>Ki-rin
You mean Qilin?
Qilin (Chinese) = Kirin (Japanese)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin
>those stone dog/lion hybrid statues
The Chinese stone guardian lions are called Shishi (Stone Lion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_guardian_lions

[Anonymous No.6574189]

>>6558179
>>6568028
>>6568830
>>6561236
It just occurred to me that the best faction to fill this niche, lore and theme-wise, and for it to work well with homm would be Vori Snow elves or "True-elves" (pureblood) as they call themselves. They are:
>an insular nation
>extremely isolationist and xenophobic
>arrogant and elitist
>glorious past and supreme warriors
>Rampart elves of AvLee (wood/grand) that are descended from them ("renegades") already have some Japanese influence in their architecture - it is only natural to assume Vori are the same or better
Inspiration can be further taken from Warhammer Fantasy High Elves and Lowryn Elves of mtg since both are aristocratic, ruthless, and predatory. Transpose it through Asian mythology and medieval Japan to give them a character and flair of their own et voila - a new town is born! It would also be a snow-based faction, since their island is frozen in ice and that would kinda be in concert with the "Christmas town" that should be released after Factory.

[Anonymous No.6574197]

>>6573045
I've been treated better!

[Anonymous No.6574236]

>>6574189
I definitely prefer what you've just described over Factory. I haven't heard about them planning to add another faction tho. Can you provide a source for that?

[Anonymous No.6574269]

>>6574095
Here, grab one, or you might starve, you attention whore

[Anonymous No.6574279]

>>6574236
It's mostly hints and bits of info HotA devs divulged intentionally or by error in vc over at their discord or on Heroes Community forums, but the current "rumor" has it that the "christmas town" was in development the moment they started working on Factory or even earlier, but had only one dev assigned to this project because Factory/global HotA had the priority and once v.1.7.0 is released, they will fully commit to it. Pic related is heavily outdated atm, but stuff like that was planned from the very beginning as you can see. Forge became Factory, Kronverk is the infamous "christmas town" and Cathedral will probably be abandoned in favor of Oasis/Dervish.

[Anonymous No.6574298]

Guys, i've loaded up HOMM3 and i can't for the life of me find a large map that i always enjoyed playing as a kid..

From memory it was in the shape of a gryphon or something, and you started on a long island in the top left

Is my memory lying to me - pls help

[Anonymous No.6574314]

>>6574298
Wings of War is shaped like a gryphon

[Anonymous No.6574316]

>>6572774
makes me feel like a five year old sipping his warm chocolate milk, snuggled in the upper bunk bed, eyes wide listening to a fantastic book read by his older brother that is reading it from the bed below and imagining scenes from the story like the stuff you posted...night light playing shadows on the ceiling, sound of pages flipping and brotherly laughter; give us a wide shot that includes the monolith and as much of the map as possible pls for epic comf feels

[Anonymous No.6574323]

>>6574125
try this
https://github.com/ZephyrVentum/HoMM3-Soundboard

[Anonymous No.6574330]

>>6572876
lel, no, South American folklore - Boitata

[Anonymous No.6574337]

[Anonymous No.6574338]

>>6574323
thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.6574342]

>>6574073
spot on

[Anonymous No.6574360]

>>6574279
>Kronverk is the infamous "christmas town" and Cathedral will probably be abandoned in favor of Oasis/Dervish
Hopefully they'll drop the dwarves in favor of Elves - I've seen enough of 'dwarf + snow + steampunk' factions throughout my life.

>>6574316
>night light playing shadows on the ceiling, sound of pages flipping and brotherly laughter
Sounds like a lovely childhood. Mine was spent with my sister bonding over HoMM and other games, computer or otherwise.
>give us a wide shot that includes the monolith and as much of the map as possible pls for epic comf feels
I'm sorry to say that I never expanded on that concept and have unfortunately deleted the little I had made. I also want to clarify I'm not the one who posted the comfy obelisk pic (>>6572186) - that was someone else - but have posted these >>6562196 >>6562026 >>6560139 instead.

[Anonymous No.6574384]

>>6574337
I'm always triggered that you can't go to Krewlood in MM7

[Anonymous No.6574431]

>>6574006
HotA maps tend to be comfy

[Anonymous No.6574464]

>>6574342
Yes that's the one. Compare it to this, biggest downgrade ever.

[Anonymous No.6574472]

>>6574464
why does she have rape face

[Anonymous No.6574481]

>>6574472
She likes rape

[Anonymous No.6574486]

>>6574323
Now this is a find!

[Anonymous No.6574492]

>>6574316
I want to go back!

[Anonymous No.6574493]

>>6574472
Everybody in AB does

[Anonymous No.6574506]

>>6574330
Sweet, this brought me here to loads of other creatures I've never heard of
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_mythology

[Anonymous No.6574523]

>>6572529
>bow of the sharpshooter.
>not just golden bow
One job.

[Anonymous No.6574616]

>>6574506
No worriea, most of them are eh, but you might find something that you like here
https://abookofcreatures.com/tag/south-american-folklore/

[Anonymous No.6574629]

>>6574472
SPAZZ MATICUS

[Anonymous No.6574767]

>>6574616
Awesome, cheers.

[Anonymous No.6574881]

>Have to go to places to get levels
>Tetris inventory
>Skills don't automatically level up
>Have to get separate skills for separate weapons and armor t even be able to equip them
>No quest markers to mark where your quests are
>No labels on minimap
>Way too many enemies in dungeons and overworld
>And yet
>Might and Magic games are so much fun to play

[Anonymous No.6574902]

>>6574472
Early 3D renders were a hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.6574982]

>>6573668
me in the 4th panel

[Anonymous No.6574983]

>>6574472
she rapes warlock shotas who didn't manage to escape

[Anonymous No.6575216]

>>6572832

[Anonymous No.6575218]

So since Heroes 2 is so cheap on gog, would you recommend it to someone who havent played it?

It looks very similar to homm3, but cruder and less polished. Is it worth playing besides for nostalgia?

[Anonymous No.6575364]

New campaign cinematic with couatles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qae5lCCyIgk

[Anonymous No.6575372]

>>6575216
Cope harder, faggot

[Anonymous No.6575380]

>>6575218
Campaign is pretty neat. Other than that, it's nostalgia ride.

[Anonymous No.6575383]

>>6575364

[Anonymous No.6575413]

>>6575372
>truth triggers the spazz
expected

[Anonymous No.6575426]

>>6575364
why are the ones in the background still set pieces aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.6575440]

dear God, what were they thinking

[Anonymous No.6575458]

>>6575218
It offers some really nice maps outside of the fun campaigns it has, and the gameplay is different enough from 3 that you might appreciate some of the things it does differently (instead of the Wait button, you just SKIP a turn; all flyers can always fly to any point on the map even if their speed is low, unless Slow is cast on them). It's a good game.

[Anonymous No.6575459]

>>6575440
someone bashed the "go full retard" button with the force of the north star.
It's literally impossible to balance that shit out to be not OP on an everyday map/random map. Maybe on a special campaign map that was designed around it.

[Anonymous No.6575472]

>>6575440
what mod is that

[Anonymous No.6575481]

>>6575472
Courtyard
http://heroes3wog.net/courtyard-new-playable-faction-vcmi/

[Anonymous No.6575497]

>>6575481
Wtf am i reading?

[Anonymous No.6575502]

>>6575497
pure, unrefined, autism

[Anonymous No.6575503]

>>6575459
>Maybe on a special campaign map that was designed around it.
Could work for an enemy "boss" hero I guess.

[Anonymous No.6575539]

>>6575503
I guess the only redeeming factor here is that you won't be able to use the spell until you have at least Knowledge 3 and even then it will be a one off until you get some more levels/Intelligence. Still, ridiculously OP, I don't even want to know what a specialized DD gives; longer range? More uses per day? Lower cost? Hell, any one of these can easily break the game in half.

[Anonymous No.6575553]

>>6575364
>when it's pride month

[Anonymous No.6575560]

>>6575553
stop hijacking the rainbow for pride movements you literal faggot it doesn't belong to gays only

[Anonymous No.6575563]

>>6575216
Lmao

[Anonymous No.6575564]

>>6575560
Yeah it also belongs to satanists
Fag

[Anonymous No.6575574]

>>6575364
It's like a dragon but gayer

[Anonymous No.6575575]

What is it that makes HOMM3 so fast at playing?
I swear, it's the fastest game I've ever played, in terms of how much shit I can get done in so little time.
For instance in modern strategy games like XCOM2, it takes like 15 minutes at the very least to do a mission, and a mission is just moving a few units.
In HOMM3 the maps are huge but every thing is happening with no downtime ever
Why couldn't they do the same for 3D heroes games? It feels sluggish as fuck to play a map in comparison, and the maps themselves are 10x smaller so it's even worse if you'd rescale them to the size of HOMM3

[Anonymous No.6575582]

Give me the most autistic ideas that came out of the HOMM3 modding scene

[Anonymous No.6575590]

>>6575564
literal idiot

[Anonymous No.6575615]

>>6575582
read the current and past few threads

[Anonymous No.6575616]

>>6575582
read the current and past few threads

[Anonymous No.6575619]

>>6575582
mithril enhancements

[Anonymous No.6575620]

>>6575582
Forge Town project

[Anonymous No.6575623]

>>6575564
shut up, faggot
homos dont get to claim the fucking color spectrum

[Anonymous No.6575721]

>>6575575
comparing squad-based TBS games like X-Com and "pure" TBSs like heroes is not all that grateful, but the answer to your question is easy - Heroes are a very simple game at it's core. There is a lot of things to do but none of them require you to go through more than two or three steps tops to complete them and all of them build on the familiarity of one another. Only four primary skills (five for creatures), one structure built per turn, one skill choice of two given per level up, no ability or spell that relies on some overly complicated formula or calculations, straightforward and fast-paced combat, one confirmation screen for every adventure map location you visit etc. The emerging complexity that comes from these many simple basic premises still gives for a very fast game, especially once you get the gist of it and actually know what you are doing. 3D mostly has an issue with perspective, animation and presentation that all take more time and are not as easy to familiarize with as is a 2D environment. Keep it simple, keep it fun.

[Anonymous No.6575752]

>>6575218
its fun but kinda plain and very unbalanced

>>6575364
fortres level confirmed

>>6575481
>>6575497
>>6575502
actualy cool idea with novel shit, a milion times better then fucking desert town with mumies rougues nomands and gold golems

>>6575619
this was really fun tho

[Anonymous No.6575805]

>>6575752
just because it's wacky, doesn't make it better or good. Dervish/Oasis town is well established in the game/lore and would be a worthy addition, just mashing up random gonzo crap is disruptive for the game - though it can be fun (it's a fucking WAR DODO wtf). It's cool though that they went with alternating upgrades, I would make that shit standard issue.

[Anonymous No.6575818]

it is I, the most powerful unit of the whole fucking franchise! Step aside creaturelets, the queen is here!

[Anonymous No.6575827]

>>6575805
no its pretty good, like if the wizards and warlocks fucked and that town is their creation

meanwhile egypt/islam town is fuckign retarded and there are 5 milion variations of it made by everyone and their grandmother, seriously how can you justify something like this or lumping in rogues,bandits,mumies and gold golems together just because "they dont have a town" and "sand has no faction" ???
http://heroes3wog.net/pavilion-town-or-bastion-v2-6-5-vcmi-with-new-grail-animation-update/

[Anonymous No.6575829]

>>6575818
npc only so it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.6575847]

>>6575827
because we want an egypt/arab neutral sand town with those creatures. Why would we need any justification?

[Anonymous No.6575849]

>>6575829
HoMM2 Price of Loyalty added barrow mounds and HoMM2 ghosts are the same as HoMM1 ghosts.

[Anonymous No.6575864]

>>6575827
I'm not justifying that cringe.png version of the Arabian nights/Nomad theme, I'm only gay for how they did that thing in Heroes 3 Succession Wars mod with the Dervish town, where it turned out fucking fantastic and I love it. I would transplant it directly into HotA if it were possible. What you posted is a VCMI revamped abandoned project for the Oasis town so of course it will look atrocious lol. And Courtyard is nothing better; Cupids (?!?), Salamanders, Musketeers, Dodos, Mandrakes, Homunculi and Jabberwocks...?! I love the next schizo trip as any other autist does but seriously wtf? Shit is bonkers, I'll give him that, and the palette for the town screen looks nice, but overall it's garbo and doesn't fit anywhere near homm. Though I appreciate the effort the author invested in it.

[Anonymous No.6575891]

>>6575829
>>6575849
they are so fucking cool that I would want them in the game regardless. Best ability. Might limit it to something akin to what Vampire Lords have, that the number of ghosts added to the stack is not equal to the number of creatures killed but hp taken divided by hp ghosts have = number of the total ghosts you would get. Would still be ridiculously OP but hey - overpowered things are half of the fun.

[Anonymous No.6575917]

>>6575849
>HoMM2 Price of Loyalty added barrow mounds
Yeah which is why you never play PoL

[Anonymous No.6575938]

bake it pls

[Anonymous No.6575948]

nothing worse than playing rampart and putting off buying units for months so that the treasury can rack up gold
only for the plague to come along and kill the units you had saving up

[Anonymous No.6575958]

>>6575938
hm, maybe it would be better if I've left "creatures" instead of "heroes"

[Anonymous No.6575971]

>>6575948
thats what you get for being a jew
the most I do is sell all unnecessary materials in the marketplace on day 7

[Anonymous No.6576007]

>>6575971
I like to RP

[Anonymous No.6576029]

>>6575938
wait until page 10 imo

[Anonymous No.6576071]

>>6575847
because its a stupid fucking idea and nomads/rougues/gold golems and mumies have nothing in common

>>6575864
cupids are gargoyle cousins, salamanders mandrakes and jabberwocks are wierd summoned cretures like a mix of wizard/warlock, dodos are fucking awesome get out of here, musketeers are cool since they are futuristic by h3 standards but not out of place like some sort of advanced mercenaries the wizards would employ if they had an actual human population

meanwhile in oasis, fucking anubises, really? why are there medusas with bows in the desert, why are there fucking imams, why are there gypsy wagon camps? its a bunch of random shit thrown together like courtyard minus the rhyme or reason

>>6575891
>demolished towns
i completely forgot about that, what a whacky concept

[Anonymous No.6576134]

>>6576071
>nomads/rougues/gold golems and mumies have nothing in common
they all come from the desert and arab or egyptian cultures

[Anonymous No.6576160]

>>6576134
>nomads are from the steppe
>rogues are universal
>golems are gold, therefore they are yellow,therefore they belong in the desrt (???)
>mummies are undead
mixing them all together is worse than wog's retarded neutral town

litteraly no connection between any of them, if you want a desert faction so bad then move necropolis into sand and castle into dirt, there fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.6576174]

>>6576160
such facetiousness

[Anonymous No.6576202]

>>6576174
why? might aswell have a faction of halflings, boars, enchanters, sharpshooters, trolls and azure dragons too, we could call it rampart 2

[Anonymous No.6576293]

>>6576071
>>6576160
>>6576202
based retard, what fucking drugs are you on? I'm not sure if you are just being an asshole since you don't like the idea of a desert town or actually an idiot. With the level of mental gymnastics that you are using, no lineup ever makes sense and it can be presented as random shit thrown together. But to say that a desert/arabian theme has less thought put in it than the Crapyard is plain moronic.
>fucking anubises
fucking Anubites, yes, because Egypt was the most prominent desert civilization, ever, maybe you've heard of it? Literally defined the theme
>medusas+bows+desert
you know where medusas lived according to greek mythology? In western fucking Anatolia in Asia Minor, which is an arid place and a desert in part. And only upgraded version has bows, I don't see what is the issue with the weapon here?
>imams
the faction is not muslim-themed but arabic themed, learn the difference. The Acolyte might very well be a desert hermit or a mystic or a wise old man from some fable. Stop projecting your shit when it isn't there.
>gypsy wagon camp
or I don't know, a caravan maybe?
>nomads are from steppe
except when they are not, for example when they are from a DESERT, like Bedouins. Which is plainly the case here and can be seen by their arsenal and garments which are totally arabic
>rogues are universal
just these rogues upgrade to bandits and are also designed to look as if taken from "One Thousand and One Nights"; "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves", rings a bell?
>gold golems
not present in either Oasis or Dervish roster, take your meds schizo
>mummies
you're just seeing things that aren't there TAKE YOUR MEDS; even if they were there, it doesn't matter that they are undead, since EGYPTIAN mummies are the most famous ones and usually the ones to which such units are referring to (unless clearly Aztec or some other obscure shit). So, you know, Pyramids, Sarcophagi, DESERTS and SAND and all that.

[Anonymous No.6576306]

>>6576293
(cont.)
The last two of the Dervish roster are a Manticore, which is a creature originally from Persian myths and Lamp Genie is self-explanatory. So in total, the town has a well established theme, drawing from the desert civilizations and related mythologies with a strong nod to Arabian Night fables. As solid as it gets. Oasis I won't comment, since as I said it is an unfinished project brought to life via VCMI, but even then the lineup there is clearly Egyptian/Sumer inspired. And what does Crapyard roster have for a theme?
>Cupid are gargoyles cousins
a god of erotic attraction represented usually as a baby angel with a bow and arrow for some reason is now a construct with a heavy hitting hammer?? And somehow them being "related" to creatures from another castle is relevant?
>Homunculi
I guess as constructs they have a connection with a totally wrong representation of a cupid and that would be it
>Salamanders, mandrakes and jabberwock summons
amphibians that are from the elemental plane of fire, screaming humanoid (??) plants and that one creature from Alice in Wonderland have a distinct unifying theme? In what? In being unrelated?
>dodos are fucking awesome
dumb extinct bird = awesome; ok, whatever you say. Also entirely unrelated to the above.
>Musketeers
on top of all this disconnected imbecile shit, renaissance human gunman is there to top the cake with a cherry on top, because why the hell not
And you now look at the two lists and somehow, your mental faculties arrive at the conclusion that Dervish lineup is random shit smacked together and Crapyard has a totally logical and sound roster? Honestly now? Think twice before you post your next brain fart pls.

[Anonymous No.6576430]

New thread >>6576429

[Anonymous No.6576713]

>>6575364
Nice

[Anonymous No.6576948]

>>6575847
>we

[Anonymous No.6577358]

>>6568467
Unlike HoMaM, M&M's country of Brakada is mountain range surounded by wast desert hence magical genies and (presumably) cold blooded Naga. See map at >>6574316