Super Mario 64 vs Sonic Adventure

[Anonymous No.6550623]

Which game aged better? Super Mario 64 or Sonic Adventure?

[Anonymous No.6550625]

Obviously mario 64 aged better

[Anonymous No.6550627]

>>6550623
Not even a debate. Sonic Adventure is shit.

[Anonymous No.6550629]

>>6550623
Only the sonic stages are fun, you only play the others just to get the full ending

[Anonymous No.6550643]

I like both. As for playing on original hardware Sonic is better since dreamcast stick>N64 stick any day.

[Anonymous No.6550656]

Big the cat, there is your answer

[Anonymous No.6550706]

>>6550656
But that's only like 10 minutes of the game

[Anonymous No.6550714]

>>6550706
Mario 64 didn't have 10 minutes that sucked

[Anonymous No.6550723]

If only sonic adventure was just sonic levels like it should have been

[Anonymous No.6550806]

I recently played Sonic adventure for the first time and I actually loved it, I don't know why the float sonic physics feel so right. But fuck the last boss where you have to just on the drill heads.

[Anonymous No.6550814]

wouldn't sonic adventure have to be good to begin with to age well?

[Anonymous No.6550834]

Why did sega never get the hint that people only wanted to play the sonic levels?

[Anonymous No.6550860]

Sonic Adventure is flawed mostly for the reasons brought up ITT, but still there is some greatness to behold. Mario 64 was always a bland boring game overrated by cultists who can't let go of their plumber man and what it means to them, Nintendo fans are second only to Disney fans when it comes to clinging onto a brand because of what it means to their childhood.

[Anonymous No.6550884]

>>6550860
lel
You have to be more subtle, like at least say that some levels suck ass or something.
For me is Mario 64 like many already said the best part of SA are the Sonic stages, besides that the game throw some cool stuff but poorly made like the shooting part with Tails and the dumb ass casino.
Is SM64 perfect? no but is still way better than SA.

[Anonymous No.6550893]

>>6550884
Mario 64 is what I'd call a flaccid experience. You can consider me a troll if you want, but it in no way makes me excited or pumped up to play it, it's just a sterile sad meaningless romp, seems like a tech demo almost to me. The only value I can imagine people getting from it is "comfiness"

[Anonymous No.6550912]

i can agree with that anon
im gonna be honest
i never got into mario even as a kid. i never played any platformers
id go over to friends houses and they'd have mario 1 2 3 world or something and id play it but id just bounce right off every time. i just got bored and never was entranced with any mario games
I had an n64 too during its run and i never got mario 64 or mario kart which is what people seem to fawn over.

it wasnt until way later as an adult when someone shoved sonic 2 in my face that i had some fun with platforming. i still feel no desire to go and play mario.
i dunno. sonic adventure seems like a flawed but charming game. id probably go with that over mario 64. as a kid i 100% would've

is it really fair to compare them though? i mean wouldn't sunshine be more appropriate?

[Anonymous No.6550926]

sonic adventure isn't shit because of what ecelebs tell you, it's shit because they abandoned the rich level design of sonic 2 and 3k for a linear easy game. sonic's levels are trash both in sa1 and 2. there is no "aging" it was always bad. meanwhile mario 64 is still one of the GOATs and is popular to this day despite not being multiplayer because of all the memes, hacks, seedruns and autism.
>>6550893
get good, the movement is god tier and the game is great for all skill levels.

[Anonymous No.6550934]

>>6550623
SA is more DK64 with some sorta Mario galaxy level if I remember well

[Anonymous No.6550936]

>>6550926
It's hardly even a game in my opinion. No real sense of urgency or action. Just lumbering around, bouncing, floating....it's like playing in a sandbox.

[Anonymous No.6550940]

Sonic Adventure. I actually like that game. I never liked Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.6550959]

Mario 64, it looks goofy nowadays, but is pretty damn impressive for being a pioneer 3D platformer. The movement is awesome and the structure and progression are impressively open. With a few tweaks (better designed enemies and not booting you out of the level with every star) it would be a marvelous game. Sonic Adventure is not my cup of tea cause of the loose controls (not a fan of homing attack specifically, kills your momentum and at worst becomes a glorified qte), the padding and the hours of unskippable cutscenes that have unfortunately aged like milk. Other 3D games from that era like Spyro or Ape Escape are so much more fun nowadays, kind of a shame with how much money Sega must have poured into it, I'll always prefer 2D Sonic.

That being said you niggers sure love picking a side and playing hyperbole. I still appreciate SA for the OST and for how ambitious it was, and have had fun backseat playing it with friends. Omega's campaign and the comfy feel of Station Square are genuinely great and Amy a cute. I don't have to pretend like it's the worst shit ever just cause I have made my sworn life mission to antagonize people who disagree with me.

[Anonymous No.6550976]

>>6550959
>Spyro more fun than Sonic Adventure
Now that's interesting to me, Spyro is such an uneventful game.

[Anonymous No.6550987]

>>6550976
To me, miles better, controls are not only great but also self-explanatory, ramming and gliding feels great. Plus I love how the hub worlds are little levels on themselves. Shame about the crap bosses and all the gimmicky minigames and sidequests in 2 and 3, but at least you can ignore them.

[Anonymous No.6551062]

I prefer Sonic Adventure in every way, but even I concede that Super Mario 64 is the superior game.

[Anonymous No.6551129]

>>6550629
>Only the sonic stages are fun
not really, tails puts a (tail) spin on those same stages, and knuckles could easily have his own open world game but instead the edgelord shadow did
amy's stages are serviceable, robo's levels are neat as well, but big is probably the biggest offender in the game since his fishing segments aren't all that fun
I can only imagine there was a bit of a wow factor when it came out but.. yea the controls for it...
>>6550625
>Obviously mario 64 aged better
not at all, they've "aged" the same, sa has pure comfy shonen jump facial animations a signature of a time long ago

[Anonymous No.6551131]

>>6550860
>Mario 64 was always a bland boring game overrated by cultists
that is pretty extreme, it was the first 3D mario and it did everything PERFECTLY you can boot up a PC port today and it, it's just so damn fun

[Anonymous No.6551135]

>>6550893
>but it in no way makes me excited or pumped up to play it
I think you're the dull flacid one then, mario 64 begins with that facial tech demo and immediately jumps into killer music, and that feedback from selecting a save file, damn

[Anonymous No.6551143]

>>6551135
23 years after I saw it the first time, that opening cutscene with Lakitu sweeping through the castle grounds still gives me chills. Got chills thinking of it writing this post. No other game does that for me but I also recognize that’s a shitload of nostalgia talking.

[Anonymous No.6551168]

>>6551143
I can hear all the start up jingles and beats too, nostalgia or not, it was great then and is great now. Zoomers btfo

[Anonymous No.6551282]

>>6550623
Sonic Adventure is just a bad game. Easily one of the most padded experiences possible. It's like they had half a game and did everything they could to stretch it out, with really mixed results. Tails and Amy are just reused content from other characters with slight changes, Knuckles just sucks. I actually like playing as Big the Cat though.

[Anonymous No.6551313]

>>6550714
You're right, the whole thing sucked.

[Anonymous No.6551325]

>>6550623
Sonic Adventure aged better because...

>Better graphics
>Better sound
>Super Mario 64 is a blurry mess when you hook it up to an HDTV.
>Sonic Adventure can be played on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN on your HDTV.
>Sonic Adventure has better game play.
>Sonic Adventure has better level designs.
>Sonic Adventure has better features.
>Sonic Adventure has a better controller to play with.

Sonic Adventure has Super Mario 64 beat.

[Anonymous No.6551331]

>>6551325
>Sonic Adventure has better game play.
>Sonic Adventure has better level designs.

[Anonymous No.6551345]

Sonic Adventure is peak soul.

[Anonymous No.6551350]

Post favorite courses.

SM64: Tiny-Huge Island
SA: Emerald Coast

[Anonymous No.6551351]

>>6551282
> are just reused content
you described Mario 64 levels

[Anonymous No.6551358]

>>6550723
>>6550834
If the whole game was just Sonic's story there would be endless complaints of it being too short. Sonic and the final story together only takes up 2 hours of the 8-9 hours of gameplay
Adding extra characters with varying types of gameplay adds more meat to the game while allowing them to reuse resources

[Anonymous No.6551360]

>>6551351
Revisiting sandbox levels with good controls = good
Revisiting linear levels with shit controls = bad

[Anonymous No.6551371]

>>6551360
>it's sandbox so it's good

[Anonymous No.6551373]

I played Adventure 1 a lot when I was younger, but I don't think i've even got to the final story because of Big's gameplay. I enjoyed the fishing in SEGA Bass Fishing, but I remember Big's being significantly worse

[Anonymous No.6551374]

>>6551371
Yes, much better than a game that frequently puts you on rails for setpieces.

[Anonymous No.6551386]

>>6551331
You can lie to yourself, but it's very obvious Sonic has more well thought out, realistic and amazing-looking level design than Mario 64. Also there's parts in Mario 64 where I fail again and again because the level design is heavily flawed and the controls are too slippery, especially during the snow level. At least Sonic's snow level was a blast to get through.

[Anonymous No.6551390]

>>6551282>>6550959>>6550926>>6550814>>6550627
>Sonic Adventure is shit.
>it's shit because they abandoned the rich level design of sonic 2 and 3k for a linear easy game
>wouldn't sonic adventure have to be good to begin with to age well?
>the padding and the hours of unskippable cutscenes
>Sonic Adventure is just a bad game.
awfully hyperbolic, and generalized
every sonic game before adventure reused its levels for different characters, and sa even transformed the stages in meaningful ways depending on who you played as
nobody wants to just admit that it's a campy and fun game
we ALL want adventure 3
lowkey we want knuckles the echidna

[Anonymous No.6551397]

>>6551390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YhS4nhs8fM
look how much more soul this has. they scrapped the good level design because they were afraid japanese kids would get stuck

[Anonymous No.6551402]

>>6551397
I cannot wait for that fan port of sonic 2006

[Anonymous No.6551410]

>>6551397
This looks so much better than the final game, Sonic Team's ineptitude never fails to impress.

[Anonymous No.6551754]

>>6550623
Mario 64 is a better game, but Sonic Adventure is more memorable.

[Anonymous No.6551804]

>>6550623
I return to both often, but I only ever complete Mario.

[Anonymous No.6551845]

>>6550623
Crash 2 > Rayman 2 > Sonic Adventure > Mario 64

[Anonymous No.6551851]

>>6551845
Hugo>Crash

[Anonymous No.6551857]

>>6550623
The way I constantly fall through the floor and clip through the wall in SA, I'm going to say Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.6551873]

Sonic Adventure is a bug ridden meandering pile of shit. Don't even @ me if you think it's better than SM64, I don't want to talk anybody with brain problems that bad.

[Anonymous No.6551884]

>>6551873
>@ me
Off yourself zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6551892]

>>6551884
What's that? Someone who's mad at mean things being said about Sonic Adventure is out of touch? NO...

[Anonymous No.6551934]

>>6550623
sonic adventure is one of my favorite games ever and i still think super mario 64 aged much better, the jank and shittiness is what makes sonic adventure good for me, but that doesn't make it age good at all.

[Anonymous No.6551935]

>>6550623
Mario 64. It also has a better camera surprisingly.

[Anonymous No.6551937]

>>6550623
Mario 64. Sonic Adventure, while interesting, has WAY more weird jank with it.

[Anonymous No.6551941]

>>6550976
Spyro's easily the most overrated 3d platformer ever. The controls sucks, the art direction is pretty fucking gay, the progression is pretty boring. lmaoing at you spyrobabbies.

[Anonymous No.6551989]

Mario 64 is the better game. Sonic Adventure is one of the best video game movies ever made. Only downside is that you had to press buttons every now and then to watch it in full.

[Anonymous No.6552007]

>>6551937
that's what gives it its charm

[Anonymous No.6552010]

>>6552007
It's nice that you believe that. Doesn't make it better though.

[Anonymous No.6552034]

>>6551754
This is a fair assesment. I would not blame anyone for mistaking Mario 64 levels with the same music, but stuff like the different tracks and flair between acts of a same stage in SA goes a long way towards making them memorable. Compare the three moods Speed Highway ahieves.

Too bad the tedium also contributes. Fuck Chaos 4, I will never forget that soaked shit pile for entirely different reasons.

[Anonymous No.6552040]

>>6550834
>people only want the sonic levels
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.6552047]

>>6552040
I would love an open world knuckles adventure

[Anonymous No.6552048]

>>6550656
So Sonic Adventure is better?

[Anonymous No.6553006]

I haven't played much of 64 but I just beat sonics story in adventure. Pretty good so far. Started a tails playthrough and I'll get around to the others eventually.

[Anonymous No.6553020]

>>6552048
I always thought a Fishing game with a Platforming Adventure element was a really cool fun idea. Was confused to see Big get shit on so much. Do people really hate fishing that badly?

[Anonymous No.6553034]

>>6550814
lel

[Anonymous No.6553069]

Sonic Adventure's level design is pretty fucking dull once you get over the spectacle. SM64 isn't perfect but it takes it by several miles.

[Anonymous No.6553090]

They're both absolute garbage, just like pretty much every single fucking 3d platformer made because you cannot make a true 3d platformer without running into the problem of the imprecise controller and the fucking horrible camera. Fuck these games and the modern era of shit gameplay and fancy presentation they spawned.

[Anonymous No.6553109]

>>6550623
Games don't age.
You age.

Adjust your expectations, as long as you're ready to meet the game halfway, you can play any old game you want.

[Anonymous No.6553114]

I think Sonic Adventure aged better in that it became more enjoyable over time, while Mario 64's flaws (repeating missions, padding in form of kicking you out after getting a star, shitty levels like Tick Tock Clock) became more visible.

SM64 is still a much better game, but it got worse over time - while Sonic Adventure is a worse game, but it aged more gracefully for a modern audience.

[Anonymous No.6553123]

>>6553109
>>6553109
How about you help me asshole? I find it really hard to play games on a pc.i cant get into it like a console

[Anonymous No.6553127]

>>6553123
buy pc
download steam
run steam
buy game
install game
run game
jesus fucking christ that was hard

[Anonymous No.6553243]

>>6553123
>How about you help me asshole?
fuck off

[Anonymous No.6553258]

>>6553123
If a retard like me can figure out how to emulate dreamcast and N64 games then you have no excuse

[Anonymous No.6553403]

>>6553020
Yes, but I have no idea why. The fishing was easy as hell and was a nice diversion from the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.6553431]

>>6553258
My point is that emulation sucks
>>6553127
Using pc for anything that isnt computer work/business is annoying.

[Anonymous No.6553436]

>>6550623
Not even a question, next thread please.

[Anonymous No.6553437]

>>6553431
You're annoying

[Anonymous No.6553628]

>>6553403
idk about your personalized copy but in mine the last mission was almost impossible and i spent half an hour on it :/

[Anonymous No.6553856]

Both are poorly aged janky shit


This is the true answer

[Anonymous No.6554413]

>>6553109
This desu

[Anonymous No.6554415]

>>6553431
>help me
>no I don't want to do that
baka

[Anonymous No.6554682]

>>6550623
I played SM64 when I got an N64 in 1998, then years later I got around to playing SA and thought the Sonic and Tails levels were alright.
Going back to both now, they're both shit. 3D platformers suck ass.

[Anonymous No.6554719]

>>6551892
Not him, but it's not an issue of being out of touch. This isn't fucking Twitter and @ me sounds so juvenile and niggery. This isn't the place for your "hot takes"

[Anonymous No.6554730]

>>6554682
>3D platformers suck ass.
citation required

[Anonymous No.6555367]

>>6553628
that's because you went to the upper section of the level that's meant for the additional emblems
froggy's in the first area you drain, the game makes this abundantly clear

[Anonymous No.6555618]

>>6550623
sonic adventure is objectively garbage. mario 64 was and still is fantastic. sonic adventure 2 DOES have some glaring flaws, but its not nearly as bad and can be generally considered decent.

[Anonymous No.6555643]

>>6555618
>objectively
nah plug in the dreamcast for pure kino

[Anonymous No.6555662]

>>6551350
Tiny Huge Island is one of mine. I think the latter courses in 64 are not given enough credit (on this board) for how they push the need for precise control of Mario through narrow and smaller angular areas. And that course is actually one of the bigger courses when you consider the small and big versions are effectively different areas in the way they cause you play.

[Anonymous No.6555673]

lol is this even a question? sonic adventure doesn't even work correctly.

[Anonymous No.6555676]

>>6553090
go back to vr ya old fuck

[Anonymous No.6555716]

>>6555673
The sonic movie has led to a lot of sonic fans getting cocky as shit and trying to retroactively declare games that pretty much everyone accepted were shit or heavily flawed as being borderline perfect. I don't get it myself.

[Anonymous No.6555725]

where were you when you realised sonic still hasn't successfully made the jump to 3D?

[Anonymous No.6556219]

>>6550714
Wet Dry World and Tiny Huge Island are garbage levels.

[Anonymous No.6556228]

>>6556219
You take that back

[Anonymous No.6556237]

>>6556228
No. Wet Dry World is a glorified tech demo and the tiny portion of Tiny Huge Island is shittily designed and easy to fall out of bounds on.

[Anonymous No.6556450]

>>6551386
are you a journalist?

[Anonymous No.6556471]

>>6551331
>tick tock clock or rainbow ride are better than any Sonic, Tails, or Knuckles stage
That’s some cops right there

[Anonymous No.6556597]

>one of the most innovative games of all time, influencing even current video games to this day and with movement and controls that arguably have never been matched in their fluidity
vs.
>ambitious game that was rushed to hell and back and ended up a total mess, with around 2/3rds of the entire game or more being repeatedly recycled content under the guise of "seeing things from a different perspective", with needlessly complex storytelling for what is a very simple plot, multiple characters whose stories are completely irrelevant to the overall narrative, generally agreed to have not held up as an overall game with only Sonic levels and the soundtrack consistently praised
Really gonna have to think hard about this one

[Anonymous No.6556882]

>>6556450
Sort of.

[Anonymous No.6557658]

>>6556597
Sonic Adventure, for better or worse, has defined pacing and style for most modern story-driven action games for the next 20 years. Cutscenes and giant setpieces, scripted events... It was all pioneered and popularized by SA.

Sure, SM64 is better but let's give credit where it's due.

[Anonymous No.6557670]

>>6553123
Seriously? Literally everybody in this thread has said "SM64 is great, play it". At this it's just a question of downloading Project64 and a SM64 rom, opening emulator, and opening the rom.

Just note, you will definitely need a controller with analog sticks, N64 games are basically unplayable on keyboard.

If you can't afford a controller (or can't be arsed to buy one) download DesMuMe, and a SM64 DS rom, since DS didn't have analog sticks, the game is playable on a keyboard.

[Anonymous No.6557679]

>>6557658
Oh and before you say "Metal Gear Solid" - MGS did the cutscene storytelling first, sure, but Sonic Adventure was the first big game to bank it's entire appeal on scripted events and flashy setpieces, including sections where gameplay completely changes into a different genre.

[Anonymous No.6557685]

>>6557670
Alternatively just... buy an Nintendo 64 (60 bucks), but a Super Mario 64 repro cart (20 bucks) and an HDMI adapter. That works too.

[Anonymous No.6557919]

>>6557670
>If you can't afford a controller (or can't be arsed to buy one) download DesMuMe, and a SM64 DS rom, since DS didn't have analog sticks, the game is playable on a keyboard.
Why would you ever recommend someone play SM64 in a way that gimps the game's fantastic control
Why would you ever recommend SM64DS in general

[Anonymous No.6558660]

>>6557670
>>6553123
it cost me like $2 to get a shitty ps>usb adapter to use my old playstation controllers
set this up just now just to take a picture
https://archive.org/download/Nintendo64V2RomCollectionByGhostware/Super%20Mario%2064%20%28USA%29.zip
https://retroarch.com/?page=platforms

and no, don't expect console games to play well without a controller, they're just not designed for it
playing on a pc with a controller is exactly like playing on a console, the controller is the difference between the two platforms

[Anonymous No.6559646]

>>6557685
Who is going to make a repro of a game that sold millions? You'd make like tree fiddy