Disc Rot

[Anonymous No.6540814]

And so it starts.

[Anonymous No.6540826]

>>6540814
"well shit I guess its time to sell my priceless dreamcast games before they go bad"


-nobody

[Anonymous No.6540827]

>>6540814
Nice environment conditions. What the fuck oven you living in?

[Anonymous No.6540828]

>>6540814
Never had a problem with that on any system.
Not even my oldest audio CDs from the early 80s are affected.

[Anonymous No.6540829]

>>6540828
>my oldest audio CDs from the early 80s

You rich bastard give me some money you fuck

[Anonymous No.6540830]

>more dreamcast-spam

[Anonymous No.6540837]

>>6540828
A lot of those early discs are built like fucking tanks with an extra plastic layer on the top side

[Anonymous No.6540849]

I have a bunch of PS1 games I treated like absolute shit 20 years ago as a kid, including the worst-condition copy of Alundra i've ever seen. I used these discs as coasters, left them lying around the house, stored them in those little carry cases, and bought them used from other kids who also treated them like shit.

I recently went through all these discs and guess what? Not a single one of them has a trace of disc rot.

In short, fuck you and your bullshit meme you seething jealous poorfag.

[Anonymous No.6540854]

>>6540849
>jealous poorfag

I sold a bunch of games on ebay with a 1 dollar starting bid and free shipping just to be nice and every poorfag country said they never received the games. I'm not even rich but I'm convinced its too late in the game for this shit poor countries need to be glassed

[Anonymous No.6540862]

>>6540854
That's your own fault for shipping something without tracking. Know how to protect yourself as a seller on Ebay or you're in for a world of hurt.

[Anonymous No.6540876]

>>6540854
Welcome to dealing with non-whites anon.

[Anonymous No.6540878]

>>6540814
Maybe take care of your goddamn games
Disc rot is a fucking meme

[Anonymous No.6540880]

>>6540829
Get a job hippie

[Anonymous No.6540882]

>>6540862
Doesn't matter if I did or not its indicative of why all those countries are shitholes.

[Anonymous No.6540885]

>>6540878
It's not a meme it actually does happen but normally only to poor quality CD/DVDs

[Anonymous No.6540894]

>>6540882
That they may be, but that doesn't excuse the fact you made things easier for them.

Hell I know if I ship something untracked to Italy it probably won't reach the recipient, and that's a first-world country (technically, kek).

[Anonymous No.6540897]

>>6540829
What >>6540880 said.

[Anonymous No.6540905]

>>6540814
the only discs that are slowly deteriorating now are my backups from the late 1990s and the early 2000s, attributed to the less-than-stellar quality of many cd-rs back then.

[Anonymous No.6540913]

>>6540894
Look Italians being spaghetti nigs aside The tracking would just have made it 10 dollars extra. They could have bought more games they would never have been able to afford

[Anonymous No.6540917]

>>6540894
>Italy
kek, there's a reason plenty of online-shops don't ship there

[Anonymous No.6540946]

>>6540814
>And so it start the shitposting

>>6540828
I have several discs from 85 and 86 and they're in perfect condition. I actually ran some thorough tests on some of them a few years back and the results were amazing. C1 error rates less than much newer media. Clearly age has far less to do with anything than production quality.

[Anonymous No.6540976]

I have a large LaserDisc collection and not even they have rotted.

[Anonymous No.6541035]

So what exactly is disc rot if it's not a thing?

[Anonymous No.6541098]

>>6540826
>priceless dreamcast games

[Anonymous No.6541102]

>>6540814
People keep conflating multiple different things here:
1) Laser Rot - Effects only Laserdiscs and is a result poor manufacturing that allows the inner metal layer to oxidize. This is usually due to the adhesive that holds the two sides of the LD together breaking down due to poor quality.

2) Disc Rot - Effects CDs and is a result of poor manufacturing that allows the inner metal layer to be exposed to air causing it to oxidize. This really only impacts very early CDs from the 80s. By the time we get to the 90s these manufacturing issues had been resolved.

3) Pinholes/Top Layer Damage - This is commonly mislabeled as disc rot. This is actually just the top layer of the CD being damaged. While DVDs and later have the top protected by another thick layer of plastic, CDs only have a thin almost lacquer-like layer on the top. Its can easily be damaged by the disc being mishandled. What's usually damaged here is the reflective layer of the disc, but in many cases the data layer is still there and undamaged. In a lot of cases these discs can still be read and will still work. However the one possible problem that could present itself is that the disc may now be exposed to the elements which will allow it to oxidize.

So basically any kind of Rot is usually the result of a manufacturing defect. The rot starts at manufacturing. So if after say 20-25 years your discs aren't showing it, odds are they're fine and should be good. Pinholes are a result of the owner of the disc at some point being a retard and mishandling the disc and damaging it. If your discs don't have this issue and you don't treat them like a retard, they should be fine and wont magically get pinholes.

[Anonymous No.6541104]

>>6541098
t. penniless mid-20-something fatty

[Anonymous No.6541106]

>>6540814
This is top layer damage, not disc rot

[Anonymous No.6541107]

>>6540829
Bro I didn't buy then in the early 80s when they were expensive as hell. I bought them years later for a few bucks.

[Anonymous No.6541112]

>>6540876
kek, this

[Anonymous No.6541124]

>>6540854
>glassed
you seem like you come from a shithole country yourself

[Anonymous No.6541158]

>>6540854
Yeah kinda this. I have a shop on eBay and list of countries I'm not shipping to anymore. Nothing but trouble.
The US, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan are all a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.6541159]

>>6541098
Why are you poor?

[Anonymous No.6541174]

more like, dick rot

[Anonymous No.6541208]

>>6541102
amenman

[Anonymous No.6541214]

Poor niggers ultimate cope. If you don't treat your games like a nigger, all of them will outlive you. Seethe and dilate, emulation trannies.

[Anonymous No.6541276]

>>6541214
This times infinity.
It's crazy how careless people are with games, or technology in general. I remember I let my friend borrow a Xbox game and it came back to me scratched to shit. Not everyone is a poor nigger in a literal sense but almost everyone is one mentally.

[Anonymous No.6541429]

>>6541102
>tfw it was fine like 10 years ago
>didn't touch it at all until recently
it's my favorite PC platformer :/

[Anonymous No.6541440]

my isos are still fine :^)

[Anonymous No.6541443]

The source of OP's pic:

https://twitter.com/hide_loopcube/status/1274877787770249216

Apparently it's from an unsealed copy.
Some of the images in the comments are heart-breaking.

[Anonymous No.6541481]

>>6540814
not retro

[Anonymous No.6541504]

>>6541481
I bet you're not retro.

[Anonymous No.6541506]

>>6540814
Very artistic at least.

[SNES No.6541519]

>>6541504
fuck off dreamcast

[Anonymous No.6541524]

>>6540814
Looks like you spilled water on it lol

[Anonymous No.6541532]

[Anonymous No.6541601]

>>6540814
Use an ODE faggot.

[Anonymous No.6541617]

>>6541440
based

>>6541524
I've had discs like OP's from the late 2000's that turn up like that and they were kept inside their cases in a closet shelf. Either it is humidity or poorly made discs.

[Anonymous No.6541625]

It may have taken a while but it's amazing how much the N64 is shitting all over PS1 these days in terrms of convenience - the carts last a lifetime (the vast majority with eeprom saving that also lasts), you can get the ED64 if you don't have the cart or can't be bothered to get it out (or don't want to risk it). vs all the trash ps1 backup options and the authentic CD-ROMs progressively rotting to dust.

[Anonymous No.6541638]

>>6541625

[Anonymous No.6541646]

>>6541625
>can literally clone cd's so you have infinite copies of every game
>b-but muh carts

[Anonymous No.6541648]

https://youtu.be/wQBBZ81urak

[Anonymous No.6541664]

>>6541646
Right, just do that a couple of hundred times, then catalogue and store your CDs so you can whip them out when needed, totally just as convenient as scrolling through the entire romset on ED64.

[Anonymous No.6541682]

>>6541664
yeah, because comparing apples (individual games) to oranges (flashcart) is fair.

[Anonymous No.6541712]

>>6541648
Does this guy not realise that seeing the back of a label is normal when you hold a disc up to a bright light? A few of these actually look functional.

[Anonymous No.6541723]

>>6540814
Disc rot is real and the larpers are pretending its not.

[Anonymous No.6541727]

>>6541723
>emubaby cope

[Anonymous No.6541731]

>>6541440
I hope you have backups of the isos, wouldn't want them dying on a hard drive crash would you?

[Anonymous No.6541745]

>>6541712
It's not normal, what's normal is seeing a very translucent label over the metal layer. These discs are clearly dead, probably caused by heat. He also tested them in the end

[Anonymous No.6541746]

>>6541727
Lmao i dont emu. Its all carts baby.

[Anonymous No.6541785]

At the end of the day, everything is bound to fail eventually. If the games I used to play as a kid start rotting it'll be unfortunate, but I'll still be able to play it another way. The discs themselves will still be valuable to me and I wouldn't get rid of them. Just take good care of your stuff and don't worry about the inevitable

[Anonymous No.6541887]

>>6541098
>Misses the sarcasm
>Posts a reaction image anyways

[Anonymous No.6541915]

>>6540854
this is why i stopped selling shit outside of us. fuck international shipping and buyers too.

[Anonymous No.6541939]

>but my discs don't have rot!
That you know of. Rot doesn't affect audio CDs as badly as data CDs because the RedBook standard's error correction interpolates between the last known good PCM samples. Imperceptible to the human ear, but an error nonetheless. Vidya data CDs can have disc rot, but it's over parts of the disc like textures, or FMV and will only manifest as a slight artifact or glitch that you'd never notice. The odds are that you have rotted discs and don't even know it.

[Anonymous No.6541956]

>>6541939
Ripping them with an ISO creating program and seeing if there any read error warnings is a good way to check for rot or other irrecoverable damage.

[Anonymous No.6542001]

>>6541939
You posted this garbage on /v/ yesterday too, kys third-world poorfag

[Anonymous No.6542008]

>>6542001
It is literally true you unbelievable retard. What about my post confuses your chimp-like brain?

[Anonymous No.6542010]

>>6542008
Go back to /v/ you pathetic little troll. Or better yet, get a job and maybe you'll stop getting jealous over other people's toys.

[Anonymous No.6542038]

>>6542010
>Go back to /v/ you pathetic little troll
You clearly use /v/ too, retard.

>Or better yet, get a job and maybe you'll stop getting jealous over other people's toys.
Holy fuck this projection. What makes you think that me talking about a technological phenomenon I find interesting is jealousy? Especially when CDs and CD players are literally dirt cheap to the point where fucking Indians and Chinamen can afford them? Take your meds schizo.

[Anonymous No.6542092]

>>6542038
>What makes you think that me talking about a technological phenomenon I find interesting is jealousy?
Yes I absolutely cannot imagine why a /v/ kiddie would start pulling facts out of his ass while posting a picture of a 70's laserdisc from his 'Disc rot COPE' folder, in a thread about video games. It absolutely boggles the mind, really.

[Anonymous No.6542108]

>>6542092
>/v/ kiddie
You use /v/ too, meaningless insult.

>pulling facts out of my ass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction

>while posting a picture of a 70's laserdisc from his 'Disc rot COPE' folder
Do you really take my talking about disc rot, a very real phenomenon that will eventually affect all optical media, as an attack on said optical media? Try to move beyond your ape-brain's need to see adversary in everything.

[Anonymous No.6542110]

>>6542092
see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-interleaved_Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_coding

[Anonymous No.6542113]

>>6542092
>in a thread about video games.
>title of the thread is clearly "disc rot"

[Anonymous No.6542119]

zoomers truly ruin everything, they are worse than doomfags a.k.a the niggers of /vr/

[Anonymous No.6542131]

>>6540814
No one knows how long optical disc media will last. The lowest I've heard is a century and no one reading this will be alive to verify. I have seen plenty of 20 year old N64 carts disintigrate though.

[Anonymous No.6542132]

is he finished yet

[Anonymous No.6542183]

>>6542108
Please enlighten us as to what a Reed-Solomon error correction code has to do with the prevalence of disc rot in video games.

[Anonymous No.6542708]

>>6540814
Hi John Handcock. You can fuck off with your disc rot is real propaganda.

[Anonymous No.6542723]

>>6541625
...until the battery backups die, the electronics go bad, and so on.
Physical hardware is garbage. If you aren't pushing for accurate, complete emulation, you're on the losing side.

[Anonymous No.6542864]

>>6542183
Because you monumental tool, it can smooth out errors on the CD. If it's a music CD you might not even notice it has some rot because the error correction is doing its job. Likewise with vidya, unless the rot happens on a crucial part of the disc and renders it inoperable, you might just end up with an artifact in a full motion video, or something else.

Tl;DR: "it works fine!" is NOT necessarily indicative of the absence of disc rot.

[Anonymous No.6543023]

>>6541532
Interestingly, those early DiscoVision laserdiscs were not even made in clean room conditions and all sorts of shit found it's way into them. The massive failure rate caused this first optical disc maker in the world to adopt clean rooms for pressing.

DiscoVision flaws are not even laser rot, they are a thing unto themselves. I have a DiscoVision title, Battlestar Galactica, where someone marked the sides with a spot from one of those smelly sharpie markers in the plant before they were bonded, which left a big clear hole like that burned through the aluminum.

[Anonymous No.6543069]

>>6542723
You are garbage, zoomer. Jump in a woodchipper to get rid of your flawed physical form.

[Anonymous No.6543171]

>>6540814
Yup my Dreamcast games were the first to go. Thank you 90+% humidity!

[Anonymous No.6543178]

>>6540849
Also plasmas don't get burn in right?

[Anonymous No.6543230]

>>6543178
if your not stupid they dont. there was a period in my life where all I played was Oblivion on my Panasonic Viera. 1,000 hours of Oblivions HUD, sometimes 10 hours straight. zero burn in to this day. but of course I did make sure to put the TV in gallery mode when I was done playing, which would run a slideshow of my SD card full of HD wallpapers for a half hour before turning itself off.

[Anonymous No.6543236]

>>6542864
So nothing. Got it.

[Anonymous No.6543287]

>>6540814
>>6542623
Yup
same retard
if you aren't capable of take care of physical copies, you don't even deserve to have one in first place
Also
Piracy > Physical > Digital

go be a retard somewhere else
faggot

[Anonymous No.6543920]

>>6540814
Consider not storing your disc collection in a sewer or in constant sunlight, and you will be fine.
Otherwise, disc rot is indicative of either very low production quality, or outright manufacturing problems.

>>6540885
Yeah, shitty manufacturing.
It's a bit like how a cheap 3.5" floppy from 2007 can just die after a few years, because by that point quality control was removed from the equation to make them as cheap as possible, while a 3.5" floppy from 1992 can still be perfectly good if stored decently.

[Anonymous No.6543929]

>>6540946
Exactomundo, you get what you pay for.

>>6541098
Apt choice of tuhu.

>>6541106
This. Get the top layer buffed and it'll be good as new.

[Anonymous No.6543939]

>>6540814
Aw, yeah! This is happening!

[Anonymous No.6543941]

>>6541625
I've never had a PSX disc go bad.

>>6541664
A collection is a collection. I'm probably going to sit down with a game for an hour at least, I don't mind the 15 seconds it takes to swap a game.

[Anonymous No.6543950]

>>6542119
Hi dwtranny.

>>6542131
Batteries dying or the gold colored Zelda cartridge shell crumbling, sure. Both are fixable.

[Anonymous No.6543954]

The only disc I've ever had "rot" was a copy of Blood Sugar Sex Magik which had example 3 as described by >>6541102.

[Anonymous No.6543959]

>>6542723
Batteries, pins, and capacitors can be replaced, and connections can be resoldered. It really isn't hard to take care of consumer electronics like game consoles and cartridges.
If you're careful with them too, they'll last an eternity.

[Anonymous No.6543963]

>>6543023
Was DiscoVision that format where the manufacturers plain just stacked the shit on a concrete floor in a warehouse, like it was a bunch of old tires?

[Anonymous No.6543986]

>>6543959
What else is fixable? Plastic gears can be swapped (if you're willing to 3D print, you can make things easier for yourself), springs can be replaced, diodes too, as can drive belts.
Basically your NES or Saturn will be fixable indefinitely unless you've used it for target practice or rinsed it in hydrochloric acid.

[Anonymous No.6544330]

>>6540814
This is exactly the reason why you should not pay more than 50$ for old optical media. Chances are these will die on you during your life time. Dont be fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.6544365]

>>6543023
I've got a DiscoVision copy of Jesus Christ Superstar and apart from some pits and scuffs typical of DiscoVision titles, side 5 has a defect that looks like the sort of blotch that solder makes when it falls off an iron and splatters, and it is definitely BELOW the acrylic surface.

[Anonymous No.6544375]

>>6543954
Although I will say I once had a defective version of Take Off Your Pants And Jacket where you could see the label side through the data side. I've never seen something like it.

[Anonymous No.6544385]

>>6543986
Well, I don't know about that, especially for the newer gens. They've started to figure out how to do planned obsolence for consoles, basically you're lucky every time it starts up these days.

Old Nintendo consoles with non-moving parts like the N64 are the most reliable. The thing about the N64 is while it's very unlikely for something to go wrong, if it does then you're fucked. It's like teeth - in theory they can last a lifetime in good condition. In reality it depends on many factors, it could get expensive and in the end you might lose a tooth anyway.

[Anonymous No.6544501]

>>6540849
Did they still play though?

[Anonymous No.6544706]

>>6544385
>planned obsolescence meme
They're not hawking you a new iPhone once a year, videogame profits come from software sales, always has, always will.

[Anonymous No.6544736]

>>6544706
well good cause this whole thread is about physical video game software becoming obsolete lol

[Anonymous No.6544835]

>>6544736
It's not, disc rot is a meme.