/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6539750]

Fallout 2 > Fallout 1
More guns, more enemies, more combat, no level cap, funnier humor, better characters, better graphics, less bugs. It's just better in every single way possible.

[Anonymous No.6539757]

>>6539750
i dont like the humor and find fallous clear concise and motivated story better. its a small game that does everything it wants and knows what it wants to be i prefer level cap and dont think the characters are any better

[Anonymous No.6539773]

>>6539757
>dont think the characters are any better
The Masticator is more memorable than all Fallout 1 characters combined.

[Anonymous No.6540005]

>>6539773
if you say so

[Anonymous No.6540023]

>>6539750
the dialogue options with the cuck guy in san francisco got me laughing for hours

[Anonymous No.6540108]

Fallout 2 has a level cap.
> less bugs
Is that actually true?

[Anonymous No.6540138]

Fallout 1 > Fallout 2

Simply because of this

https://timedwatcher.blogspot.no/2018/12/fallout-1-sex-text-because-sexout-was.html

[Anonymous No.6540164]

dude porn mods
middle school was so awesome

[Anonymous No.6540228]

>>6539750
>Fuck! You fight like old people!

[Anonymous No.6540518]

>>6539750
>More guns
True
>more enemies
Oh wow super cool, I really love all the plants and animals you can fight, talking Deathclaws are also super cool, and let's not forget the super cool big mobsters who are basically the only new model that might be worth a damn
>more combat
Yeah, I fucking adored the fact that the game was filled with filler combat with literally anyone and anything. Nothing says good game like oversaturating it with everything..
>no level cap
I think both games have a level cap but who the fuck plays them for so long to even reach it, higher levels trivialize the game...
>funnier humor
I like my post apocalypse dark and gloomy, I don't like everyone being an ironic, sarcastic quip master. The fact that one of the first sentences in the game.is "uhhhh, what was my quest again" is disgusting - both because of the retarded "humor", but also because everything in F2 is now conventional; your fight for survival is literally just mimicry of the first game but it has to be called an epic quest... how else could it have been an RPG...
>better graphics
Lmao
>less bugs
The only improvement (bug wise) F2 brought over F1 was the tracking of your teammates in tight spaces/in front of doors and stuff. And that shit was only annoying in F1 if you managed to get to the Cathedral with everyone alive. Otherwise, it's not even something you'd really experience that often. Some other QoL changes are there too, but today I can just mod the game if I want - though it's not necessary.
Fallout 2's only saving grace is the two three dialogues with some Enclave soldiers. Everything else is ass. Big empty open world, pointless MacGuffins, everyone is a comedian, pop culture references every two minutes, everyone knows everything about the Vault Dweller, an evil superforce which is evil so it might attempt to rival the Master but its motivation is shit and unclear, too many fetch quests... It's basically the RPG that started the decline of RPGs...

[Anonymous No.6540542]

>>6540518
>filler combat
>higher levels trivialize the game
>I like my post apocalypse dark and gloomy
>I don't like everyone being an ironic, sarcastic quip master
>The fact that one of the first sentences in the game.is "uhhhh, what was my quest again" is disgusting
>Big empty open world
>It's basically the RPG that started the decline of RPGs...

[Anonymous No.6540548]

It's fallout 1 but more memey and immature. Its humor is borderlands-tier.

[Anonymous No.6540554]

>>6540548
>Its humor is borderlands-tier.

I've actually played Bordershits unlike you, and Fallout 2 not only is not Borderlands tier, Broken Hills alone is better written than anything in Fallout 1.

Fallout 1 is for fans of linear visual novels who larp as RPG fans. Fallout 2 is for actual RPG fans.

[Anonymous No.6540575]

>>6540554
>Broken Hills alone is better written than anything in Fallout 1.
ehhhhhhhhhh
it's a mostly empty town with a few quests, quite a few of them annoying New Reno FedEx quests, and the questlines in it are on an obvious good vs evil angle
also the ending is bad and depressing no matter what you do

[Anonymous No.6540580]

>>6540542
Nice comeback.

>>6540554
The person you're responding to definitely played Borderlands, and so have I. And they're right. You just think that F2 is more mature than Borderlands because F2 references "older" humor, which was in its heyday exactly when the game released - much like Borderlands references today's bullshit and memes. Also, it's pathetic to even call oneself and others "fake" and "true" fans of RPGs, but since you insist on it, I didn't know that true fans of real RPGs like pointless meandering on an overly long super cool quest to save the world

[Anonymous No.6540614]

>>6540575
>also the ending is bad and depressing no matter what you do

Which is what makes it so good. Compare it to the cut endings of Fallout 1 where Gizmo would become good and Killian would become a dictator. Interesting stuff compared to what you actually get in FO1.

>>6540580
>You just think that F2 is more mature than Borderlands because F2 references "older" humor

Referencing classic American movies like Ghostbusters and Blues Brothers is not the same fucking thing as referencing internet memes or MLP. You Fallout 1 fuccbois are mentally ill.

Plus Borderlands is full of cringe shit like "dude they're so gay at the prison being gay dude gay lmao" or that embarrassing General Knoxx, which some fuckheads thought was well written. Fallout 2 never has that.

Again, not that either of you'd know because you never actually played that dogshit Borderlands, as you continue to lord over people your contentless game known as FO1, a game where CHA is literally useless

[Anonymous No.6540623]

>>6539750
ok

[Anonymous No.6540665]

>>6540614
Ghostbusters wasn't a particularly old movie by the time Fallout was released. It was a more recent reference than something like the Matrix would be today.

[Anonymous No.6540670]

>>6540542
>no argument
>is a soijak posting redditor
go back >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.6540704]

>>6540614
>Which is what makes it so good
bleak and depressing with no way to affect it isn't interesting on its own, especially if the location is a few cut and pasted blocks, a horrid dearth of content, and the villains are opaque racists

[Anonymous No.6540710]

>>6540614
>classic American movies
also other video games (Final Fantasy 7), meta jokes about the European version of Fallout 2 or the Fallout player character or "I'll get you in my next save game" as well as an entire faction that exists solely to parody the Church of Scientology that resides in a city which is entirely a send-off towards Big Trouble in Little China.
>MLP references bad
One of the crucial NPCs to one of Gecko's endings is a talking rat named Brain who keeps a ghoul named Pinky around.

[Anonymous No.6540713]

>>6540704
Broken Hills has no heroes and villains, just outcomes you prefer over another; damn Fallout 1 fans are stupid black/white, good/evil simps.

Plus Fallout 2 has places where you can guarantee a positive outcome

But please tell me more how KILLIAN GOOD, GIZMO BAD, is compelling stuff.

[Anonymous No.6540718]

>>6540713
>Broken Hills has no villains
bunch of hillbilly close-minded racists for no reason blow up the town's only source of revenue dooming their own city in a game written by a bunch of oldschool 90s liberals based in California led by a gay man

[Anonymous No.6540720]

>>6540710
>meta jokes about the European version of Fallout 2 or the Fallout player character or "I'll get you in my next save game"

Which is all true and great comedy. Plus it reads better than if a meme actor were spouting those lines which is where games like Borderlands utterly fail. Ever read a book trying to be funny in your life ya simp? Fallout 1 fans are eurotrash who don't read I've noticed.

>One of the crucial NPCs to one of Gecko's endings is a talking rat named Brain who keeps a ghoul named Pinky around.

And Pinky & The Brain is a great cartoon, not ugly flash shit made for little girls you furry fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6540725]

>>6540718
Forgetting the part where a super mutant is one of the worst, most reprehensible people in that whole questline?

Again, all this is still better than anything in FO1.

>Omg dey kidnap my daughter tandi
>Welp... guess I gotta do it - OR DON'T!!!1

Wow what an epic quest.

[Anonymous No.6540726]

>>6540720
your entire argument is written in bad faith and I know better than to engage it further. have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.6540729]

>>6540726
Yeah, run back to your linear fucking visual novels like Gone Home, ya FO1 worshiping sperg. Gone Home is tonally consistent, guess you love it too?

Again, and I say this as somebody who loves FO1 and cut my teeth on it - but it's a short, SHORT, game.

[Anonymous No.6540738]

>>6540729
Hi, jew.

[Anonymous No.6540741]

>>6540738
Might have to explain that one.

Yes, I'm shit talking, but you FO1 purists are literally the fucking worst people. "Oh I'll just ignore all the great parts of Fallout 2 and focus on the tiny stuff I don't like because I am a spergin' loser who only cares about muh DANK ATMOSPHERE!!1"

[Anonymous No.6540815]

>>6540741
The only good parts of F2 are the dialogues with the Enclave soldiers. Good, not great. The rest is trash. See ya

[Anonymous No.6540892]

>>6539750
>More guns
More options for small guns in the late game was a welcome addition. But who the fuck cares about grease gun, Tommy gun and P90 (well, P90 is useful but it is little more than reskinned 10mm SMG)? Same goes for three almost identical 5mm rifles and combat shotguns (that are not really lore friendly). Who ever used M60?
>more enemies, more combat
I liked that, but that's not for everyone.
>no level cap
Again, welcome addition, but it's not like you advancing that far past the cap anyway.
>funnier humor
Debatable.
>better characters
They definitely are more fleshed out, yes, but F1 has higher highpoint with Master.
>better graphics
No, new ones frequently stick out like futuristic robots. Not to mention the reuse of unique graphics from F1 that made the game feel like a mod.
>less bugs
Don't really remember it that well, maybe.
>It's just better in every single way possible.
Not in every, but in general, yes.

[Anonymous No.6540896]

>>6540554
>Broken Hills alone is better written than anything in Fallout 1.
Eh
Better than Boneyard? No.

[Anonymous No.6540901]

>>6540896
What the hell is in the boneyard besides the conspiracy plot with the son?

I love the area with the deathclaws, but that's more environmental storytelling, not writing.

Plus it's the area with the most cut content and it shows.

[Anonymous No.6540904]

>>6540710
>as well as an entire faction that exists solely to parody the Church of Scientology
For me, the worst part was the Pinky and Brain reference in the middle of a big and important quest that required bending the lore to include talking molerats. Good riddance faggots, you watched the funny and popular show, you want a fucking medal for it?

[Anonymous No.6540916]

>>6540901
>What the hell is in the boneyard besides the conspiracy plot with the son?
Not much, but that plot is good enough, and the factions are not gimmicky. I don't remember Broken Hills that well, really, i just think that it is on the same level.

[Anonymous No.6540919]

>>6540554
>Hehehe I can finally be supermutant's sex slave, this game is brilliant!

[Anonymous No.6540924]

>>6540916
You're dead wrong btw

I do a yearly replay of Fallout 2 and Fallout 1's blades thing sucks

Another good and better example is the Modoc farm VS those people living in the cave. Way better written than the Boneyard

>>6540919
Why do you Fallout 1 George Floyds always nitpick the small stuff?

[Anonymous No.6540925]

>>6540924
I do not consider better atmosphere over constantly being reminded you are in a comedy skit "small stuff". I enjoyed both of the games by the way, but F1 left a better lasting impression.

[Anonymous No.6540927]

>>6540925
FO1 has plenty of memorable stuff, but you're pushing it back towards my theory (and proving me right) that you're a linear visual novel cuck that larps as an RPG fan, as all of the good stuff in FO1 is entirely scripted out with no input from the player like the endings in FO2 can be changed.

[Anonymous No.6540940]

>>6539750
Also the main reason would be not having the time limit
I was always amazed at how could someone think putting a strict time limit on one of the rpgs where you had the most freedom to explore back then

[Anonymous No.6540943]

>>6540927
You are proving my theory that you are a cringey contemporary humor loving retard who pretends to like a more non-linear experience because he is too embarrassed to admit that coherent world building is less important to him than poopoo jokes.
>you Fallout 1 George Floyds
Case in point.

[Anonymous No.6540975]

you guys will argue about anything.

F1+2 are infinitely better than the other fallouts (new vegas with some exception), thats all that matters

[Anonymous No.6540985]

>>6540975
Fallout 4 is better than fallout 1. NV is overrated but it's better than 1 too.

[Anonymous No.6541691]

>>6539750

I prefer 2 over 1 as well, though I do think that the first offers a much more tight and cohesive experience. Everything is there for a reason, and fits in the world to tell the story that it told (except fucking Robin Hood). The second offers much more, but it IS a bit diluted when it comes to consistent quality.

[Anonymous No.6541696]

>>6540580
Comparing the extremely juvenile and just plain bad writing of Borderlands to the sharp and witty writing of Fallout 2 just proves that you are disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.6541701]

>>6540710
Fallout 1 literally has Robin Hood and his merry men in it

[Anonymous No.6541702]

>>6540665
Matrix is the last movie that gets referenced more than 5 years after release. We're already living after the end.

[Anonymous No.6541714]

>>6540542
Who said this board was better than /v/ again.

[Anonymous No.6541834]

1 is trash as well. They're both full of dumb out-of-place references for the sake of "comedy".

[Anonymous No.6541848]

>>6540713
what are you talking about? under killian the town suffers and under gizmo the town prospers. even in your disingenuous assertion you got the game wrong

[Anonymous No.6541857]

I wish there were crpgs are good and crisp and simple as Fo1. Too many get diluted and bloated like Fo2 or are just complete combat slogs.

[Anonymous No.6541870]

Is there a mod for fallout 1 that makes humor funnier?

[Anonymous No.6541921]

>>6541834
1's popular culture humor was much more isolated from the rest of the world, compared to 2. You can go through the game and never encounter it (and most likely will).

[Anonymous No.6542021]

>>6540518
>>more enemies
>Oh wow super cool, I really love all the plants and animals you can fight, talking Deathclaws are also super cool, and let's not forget the super cool big mobsters who are basically the only new model that might be worth a damn
>>more combat
>Yeah, I fucking adored the fact that the game was filled with filler combat with literally anyone and anything.
This but unironic

[Anonymous No.6542043]

>>6541714
Please don't feed (You)s to wojak posters.

[Anonymous No.6542067]

>>6539750
underrail = fallout 1 and 2 > the rest of the fallout franchise > ur mom

[Anonymous No.6542090]

>>6542067
Underrail is way worse than FO1 and 2. It's one of the reasons I don't listen to /v/ about games anymore.

[Anonymous No.6542210]

>>6542090
Plot is non existent in comparison but combat is much more fun.

[Anonymous No.6542229]

I really liked the "silliness" aspect of Fallout 2, I can't label it as something else, not parody, not absurdity but literally silliness.
A shame bethesda basically ditched it in f3 and obsidian in nv. I think fallout 2 shined by not taking itself too seriously. The only post f2 fallout game that followed f2 in spirit was old world blues. I wish entire nv had owb design philosophy behind it.

[Anonymous No.6543774]

>>6542210
But plot, atmosphere and gameworld interactions are the most important part of games like this. Otherwise it's just a tactical squad game, like Fallout Tactics or JA2.

[Anonymous No.6543795]

>>6543774
I mean its tacked on there but it's meh.

Best part about fallout was always the setting and idea. The more you play the games the worse it gets.

[Anonymous No.6543816]

>>6541714
/vr/ is just /v/ with even more contrarianism and a smaller number of posters.

[Anonymous No.6543839]

>>6539750
>Fallout
tight, short, high quality experience with enough freedom for replayability
>Fallout 2
far more content, but directionless and of less consistent quality. Feels like more of a sandbox but less of a crafted game, replayable as long as you don't burn out by trying to go everywhere on one character

[Anonymous No.6543842]

>>6543839
I should clarify, I don't think 2 is worse, just a different experience. I personally prefer 1, but I can see why many prefer 2.

[Anonymous No.6544145]

>>6540138
I wanted to join forces with that guy but nothing ever came of it.

[Anonymous No.6544196]

>>6544145
sad

[Anonymous No.6544581]

>>6541834
every game has some easter eggs here and there you fucking mouthbreather, but very few have as many hamfisted pop-culture references as fallout 2

[Anonymous No.6545247]

>>6540892
Greasegun gun is useful af mid game. The burst is like half the mag and will shred lightly armored mobs.

[Anonymous No.6545338]

>>6544145
You didn't contact me beyond the comment on the blog, which I was waiting for. I didn't even get your email

[Anonymous No.6545496]

>>6544145
You didn't contact me beyond the comment on the blog, which I was waiting for. I didn't even get your email

[Anonymous No.6545529]

A retarded character in FO2 is pretty funny

[Anonymous No.6545542]

Fallout 2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's alright

[Anonymous No.6545581]

>>6539750
I admire Fallout 2 a lot because it includes not only child murder but various ways to rape and get raped as well. This would qualify as one of the darkest games ever made if it didn't have an overabundance of comedic relief.

[Anonymous No.6547029]

bump

[Anonymous No.6547067]

>>6545581
>various ways to rape and get raped as well.
I don't think we played the same game.

[Anonymous No.6547090]

>>6539750
More guns, worse equipment progression.
More enemies, worse enemy progression.
More combat, more disgustingly slow combat.
No level cap (not a particularly strong praise since Fallout won't have you hitting the level cap unless you do weird shit).
Funnier humor... very debatable.

Everything else I agree with. But Fallout 1 was quality over quantity. And IMO the humor was much better and didn't rely that much on pop culture references.

[Anonymous No.6547190]

They should have ported fallout to consoles
Big dummies at interplay

[Anonymous No.6547232]

>>6547067
Myron rapes you if you play as a low INT female, that one super mutant rapes you if you don't beat him at arm wrestling, and you can gain vilified status in some town for raping a chick.

[Anonymous No.6547358]

>>6539750
You forget one thing, there is no path that lets you end up joining the Enclave and work to get their FEV Curling to do its thing on the Mutants.

[Anonymous No.6547369]

>>6547232
You knew what you were getting into when wrestling the mutant. And the town is Modoc? I don't think it's supposed to be raped, though she is kinda retarded.

[Anonymous No.6547531]

>>6547369
It's pretty obvious that you rape the girl. The whole town doesn't turn aggressive on you for nothing.

[Anonymous No.6547554]

One of the few things that Fallout 1 did truly better than Fallout 2 is the fact that you can choose to join the main antagonist as an ally.
>Fallout 1 lets you not only talk to, but also gives you the option to join the master and the Unity.
>Fallout 2 has no option to join the Enclave anywhere.

[Anonymous No.6547571]

>>6547554
Joining the Enclave would never make sense though. They were adamant about genetic purity.

[Anonymous No.6547612]

>>6540138
>https://timedwatcher.blogspot.no/2018/12/fallout-1-sex-text-because-sexout-was.html

just let me read this really quick

[Anonymous No.6547823]

>>6547554
>Fallout 1 lets you not only talk to, but also gives you the option to join the master and the Unity.
That's a glorified gameover.

[Anonymous No.6547841]

>>6547823
This. Though Fallout 1 George Floyds love to pretend it has content/features it doesn't have

[Anonymous No.6547919]

>>6540725
It is a side quest at the beginning of the game.

[Anonymous No.6548069]

Daily reminder that Fallout 2 ruined the franchise.

[Anonymous No.6548260]

>>6547531
I'm pretty sure you seduce a girl and then her dad makes you marry her in shotgun wedding.

[Anonymous No.6548472]

>>6540924
>>6540943
>>6547841
>George Floyds
What the fuck do you mean? Is this some new zoomer lingo?

[Anonymous No.6548856]

>>6548472
Don't mind that Donald Trump. He is just trying to William Lutz this Hiroyuki Nishimura.

[Anonymous No.6549787]

>>6547571
Hmm... Interesting
However, the enclave did at times take in humans that never took shelter in vaults, mostly as test subjects for the anti-FEV drug. For all we know, their research, had it been able to go into full fruition, would have led to them being able to make radiation-tainted organisms, both with and without FEV, be stripped of the effects of both. They might have even been able to succeed at making a superior version of rad-away in both gas and injection form that could speed up the half-life of most, if not all isotopes.

[Anonymous No.6549831]

>>6539750

[Anonymous No.6550197]

>>6548472
It's an insult by comparing you to an unfavorable person, ya stupid ass autist

[Anonymous No.6550203]

>>6539750
Your opinion is noted and discarded like your life chances. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6550375]

JUST

[Anonymous No.6550670]

Based

[Anonymous No.6550721]

>>6548472
>being a triggered liberal
back to plebbit

[Anonymous No.6551140]

>>6550721
I am a Slav conservative retard. I apologise for not following your retarded American politics whilst your entire country burns apart.

>>6550197
Since when did it become an insult? Is this really our newest standards for insults? Using some retarded politician's name for an insult? What's next? Calling someone a Pablo Iglesias Turrión for being a retarded commie pedo?
Actually, that's probably a good idea. Write it down

[Anonymous No.6551141]

>>6548856
Kek.

[Anonymous No.6551817]

>>6539750
Fuck! You Fight Like Old People!

[Anonymous No.6551823]

>>6549831
kekadoodledoo!

[Anonymous No.6552925]

JUST

[Anonymous No.6553459]

bump

[Anonymous No.6554751]

>>6541834
Fallout 1 put the weird, random shit in random encounters you'd find in the middle of the Wasteland. They were of dubious canonicity and were meant to be surrealist encounters in the desert.

Fallout 2 puts the same level of insane shit in just normal towns amongst the serious content and presents in the same straightforward manner.

Get fucked,.

[Anonymous No.6556587]

>>6539750
>funnier humor
good bait mate I'd rate it eight out of eight

[Anonymous No.6556917]

>>6539750
Fallout 2 has a lot going for it, but it's chalk full of memes and references. I like Fallout 1 more just because the tone is pretty consistent and it takes itself seriously. Also, Fallout 2 is too fucking LONG my man. I feels like a chore.

[Anonymous No.6557127]

>>6539750
gameplay wise, i agree. There's a lot more going on with the game and you do have more options for your builds while in FO1, it's a little more straightforward and limited i find. Playing an unarmed murder machine driving a car down to sanfran and looting off bandits and hubologists to make mad stacks of cash is probably my most favourite experience in the game.

FO1 takes itself more seriously storywise though, even if they slip in humour here and there but it's rather dry for the most part. FO2 is zanier but unlike Borderlands 2, most of the pop culture references actually hits right where it should land rather than just being there because anthony burch thought it's "funny". FO2's dialogues are still well written as much as FO1's in its more serious parts so claiming otherwise is just being contrarian

[Anonymous No.6557337]

female
gifted, sex-appeal (in FO2, mutate at high level to fast shot)
small guns, lockpicking, speech
S 5/P 10/E 2/C 2/I 10/A 10/L 8
awareness/bonus move/bonus rate of fire/action girl/action girl/sniper
that gun, or the gauss pistol
best armor for where you are

Sexy sherlock holmes gunslinger.