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>first game is absolute kino, one of if not the best 2d platformer ever made
>every game in the series after it is mediocre or worse
What the fuck happened?

>> No.6536685

The saying goes "Never change a winning team".

They figured they'd try anyway.

>> No.6536693

>>6536675
First game isn't good either. Major step down from all previous Mario games.

>> No.6536724
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6536724

@6536693

>> No.6536726

>>6536675
can’t capture lightning in a bottle twice

>> No.6536762

Yoshi's Story was just a mishmash of bad ideas and every game after was just a rehash of the first

>> No.6536779

Miyamoto is addicted to crack cocaine and it's the reason why Nintendo has been a joke since the N64.

>> No.6536797

Woolly was great too IMO

>> No.6536858

The original Yoshi's Island was one of the most ambitious games on the SNES. They used every damn programming trick they knew on it. The later games didn't have anywhere near the amount of love and care poured into them. (with the possible exception of whoever the art director of Yoshi's Crafted World was. Say what you want about the gameplay, but the amount of detail in that game's world is fantastic)

>> No.6536874

>>6536675
i liked woolly world

>> No.6536903

@6536675
You developed a severe case of bad taste.

>> No.6536920

>>6536675
You don't need to be a fucking genius to understand what happened. The 1st game had the budget of a mainline Mario title, it was treated and marketed like one. The other games were treated like spin-offs and had the budget of spin-offs which means that they were developed by b/c teams as opposed tot he A team that developed the first one. Imagine a modern Yoshi game getting the budget of Mario Odyssey or even more, that's what Yoshis Island was at the time.

>> No.6536925
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6536925

Literal SOUL.
Also Story has the misfortune of having an obtuse way to play through the game. It's disappointing as a sequel to Island, but when you actually judge it on its own, and not just on the initial 6 levels you can play on story mode, but all 24 levels and playing for score, it actually is a pretty interesting, experimental 2D sidescroller.

>> No.6536936

>>6536693
Based.

>>6536724
Seething bitchtits.

>> No.6536938

>>6536675
Yoshi's Island is a pile of shit.

>> No.6536947

>>6536936
>>6536938
Exotic taste guys.
I'm using exotic instead of bad just to be polite.

>> No.6536976

>>6536947
don't argue with the schizo.

>> No.6537027

>>6536936
>BASED! SEETHING!
>>>/v/

>> No.6537239

>>6536675
Yoshi's Island is the worst platformer on any system. That's why there isn't a Yoshi's Island 2.

>> No.6537265

wooly world and craft world are based n redpilled

>> No.6537279

>>6536675
likely because only the first one was made by the original team, DS and New were made by a third-party studio

Yoshi's Story was developed in-house and shares a lot of the personnel with the original, but it's not a direct follow-up

>> No.6537313

>>6536693
>>6536903
>>6536936
>>6537239
Samefag

>> No.6537316

>>6537313
Take your meds.

>> No.6537320

>>6537316
Says the one who shits up every Yoshi's Island thread.

>> No.6537368

>>6537279
>likely because only the first one was made by the original team, DS and New were made by a third-party studio.

Basically this. The first one was an AAA game for its time made with passion and love, possibly to show off the Snes and Super FX capabilities and also fight back Rare for daring to make great gaijin games that could surpass the best of Nintendo. The other games were fine, but made by worse teams and eventually Yoshi games became childish in the wrong way.

>> No.6537371

>>6536693
Fuck off, Jeff.

>> No.6537432
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>>6537313
>Samefag
Cope

>> No.6537491

The DS game was pretty good.

>> No.6538246 [DELETED] 

reported and saged

>> No.6538272

>>6536874
really?

>> No.6538289

>>6536903
Based Twitter user

>> No.6538308

Yoshi's Island had amazing graphics, both in terms of style, and technically speaking as well.

The DS version graphically speaking sucks. Gameplay wise, it also focuses way too much on gimmicks after gimmicks, while there is evne less challenge outside of the last world where the insta deaths are even worse than in the original; except that getting a score of 100 is harder (mainly due to the lack of useable items).

I liked the OG quite a lot but the DS version I always give up near the end cause it's just not as good. I didn't play any other, I just realized there is a new one on Switch as well.

>> No.6538312

my all time fav game is yoshis island. I replay it at least once a year. it was also my first game so the nostalgia hits hard.

>> No.6538321

>>6536858
I'll agree with the art direction of crafted world. Gameplay is...fine, but the game looks amazing

>> No.6538334

>I'll never get 100% in all stages due to Extra 5: Kamek's Revenge and Extra 2: Hit That Switch!!

Fuck those 2 bullshit stages.

Are the GBA version exclusive stages worth getting into? Checking on youtube level design feels very... romhacky.

>> No.6538338 [DELETED] 

>>every game in the series after it is mediocre or worse

NOT RETRO

*STAMPS FEET*

NOT RETRO

*STAMPS FEET*

NOT RETRO

*STAMPS FEET*

>> No.6538340

>>6536920
Yes but there are B team games out there which are absolutely great. The 2 Mario Land and all 5 Wario games for instances.

Yoshi's sequels are okay at best.

>> No.6538343 [DELETED] 

>>6536675
NOT RETRO

>> No.6538370

>>6536675
>>every game in the series after it is mediocre or worse

that's not true at all. YI is still the best though.

>> No.6538467

>>6536675
This game is complete and utter shit.

>> No.6538473 [DELETED] 

>>6536675
>what the fuck happened
You posted about NOT RETRO BULLSHIT

>> No.6538475

glad to see /v/ has invaded /vr/

>> No.6538493

>>6538340
I'm surprised Wario land games weren't as popular when they were quite fun and kept building on the previous entry in the series. I played the shit out of Wario Land 1 (Super Mario Land 3) and nobody in my friend group had heard of it before. They were all amazed at the cool stuff and how each world was so unique compared to Super Mario World.

>> No.6538546

>>6537432
>inspect element

>> No.6538601

>>6538493
I had all 3 GB games as a kid and loved them, played them through so many times

I just played 4 for the first time recently and it was actually pretty good too; now getting into the Virtual Boy game and it's alright so a bit disappointing so far

>> No.6538614
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6538614

It seems that for some reason Nintendo hates Yoshi's Island but love Yoshi Story.

Almost every reference they made to Yoshi outside Mario games is related to Yoshi Story, so Yoshi's character design was changed to match Yoshi Story design and we have two Yoshi Story stages and a ton of Yoshi Story music tracks in Smash Bros. series, YS courses in Mario Golf, Yoshi Story elements in Mario Tennis and Nintendo Land and every Yoshi games tries to be kiddier than YS.

Yoshi's Island is just like Donkey Kong Country or the Wario series. Loved by the gamers, hated by Nintendo.

>> No.6538628

>>6538614
Yoshi Island was retconned with Story stuff as well in the GBA version. Voice tracks and shit.

>> No.6538635

>>6538628
They did the same thing with the LTTP GBA port, added all the annoying OOT voice clips to it. Fucking assholes.

>> No.6538640
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6538640

>>6538628
I remember that. Fuck, I can't stand Yoshi voice.

>> No.6538942

>>6538614
That's because Yoshi's Story is a better game. Yoshi's Island is trash.

>> No.6539130

>>6536874
>>6537491
I agree with both of you

>> No.6539235

>all the contrarians in this thread
>>>/v/

>> No.6539236

Yeah

>> No.6539239

>>6538614
>It seems that for some reason Nintendo hates Yoshi's Island but love Yoshi Story.
Japan loves Yoshi's Story. Same with Kirby's Crystal Shards and Mario Tennis. 3 games that aren't very popular in the west but were hits in Japan and still fondly remembered.

>> No.6539250

It's not that all the new games are bad, they are just to easy and gimmicky. Like if the newest game had the sort of difficulty the last few levels had and the no damage run you had to do on the final boss to 100% the game it would have been good. Maybe not have that level of difficulty through the game but through the second half at least.

Case in point:
https://youtu.be/k8wVHwICGuk?t=922

>> No.6539420

>>6539235
Yes, anyone who likes Yoshi's Island should go back to /V/

>> No.6539432

>>6539235
It's literally one guy.

>> No.6539625

>>6536858
what i hate about the sequels is the music.

>> No.6539649

>>6539625
YOU DON'T LIKE THIS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vo3RG5i4WY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85AB1p6wpaY

You may prefer the remix
https://youtu.be/RttuiU6zj2k

>> No.6539753

>>6538601
I never really appreciated a series having good game after good game until now. OP makes a good point about YI being amazing but everything after was trash.

>> No.6540297

>>6536675
Ambition, the only Yoshi game that even comes close is Wooly World.

>> No.6540303

>>6537320
Need to drop the herb, bro. You’re paranoid as fuck.

>> No.6540310

>>6536675
>the original collectionshit platformer

Yeah. No. The artstyle is great though.

>> No.6540313

>>6536925
i couldnt eveen finish story. it gave me a headache. maybe the sound + the visuals. i dunno. what are other experimental 2d sideschollers

>> No.6540325

>>6538334
Extra 5 is bullshit trial and error in the ski and helicopter sections, I will give you that.
As for extra 2, nothing is unfair about it. Git gud.

>> No.6540329

>>6539239
>Mario Tennis
>not popular in the west
That’s just flat out wrong.

>> No.6540475

Woolly world is great, fuck you. Great artstyle, great OST, 100% is hard as fuck

>> No.6540490

>>6538546
unironically what did he mean by this

>> No.6540497

>>6540490
That he can’t cope. Saying someone used inspect element is the last resort of a cornered schizophrenic.

>> No.6540502

>>6539649
There's nothing wrong with the music. Just because it has a few sharp notes doesn't make it bad, faggots. Not that music was ever Nintendo's strong suit.

>> No.6540658

>>6536925
>yoshi story is a good game, just not a good yoshi game
I have to disagree, I think overall its pretty dull. The eating fruit mechanic isn't particularly fun, because I didn't think the levels were particularly interesting to explore. It would be better as just a standard get to the end of the level platformer, because 90% of the time that's what it feels like it wants to be anyway.

>> No.6540914

>>6537368
>Basically this. The first one was an AAA game for its time made with passion and love,
You know something often overlooked on why older games tend to trounce their indie clones is that they truly were the AAA of their time. Massive budgets, the very best programmers, artists, musicians, etc in the industry. I think it’s hard for people to imagine that now but it makes such a difference. Even when a bug studio puts out something 2D it’s a small project. Imagine if the Breath of the Wild team had worked on a 2D Selda game? We’d still be getting kino to this day.

>> No.6540942

>>6536675
I liked yoshi's story a lot
Not the hardest game ever but it was just so much fun. Still have the japanese cartridge but my n64 has started presenting the expansion pack failures

>> No.6540948

>>6536693
peak contrariansm

>> No.6541237

Replaying it for the first time in 20 years now. It's as good as I remember. Is the GBA remake with the extra levels any good?

>> No.6541262

>>6541237
The GBA remake with the pallet and sound fix is the ideal way to play imo.

>> No.6541757

>>6541262
even with the fixes the game is still cropped

>> No.6541865

>>6538640
This dragon is what I imagined all the *sniff sniiiiiiffffff* posters to look like.

>> No.6541890

>>6541237
Someone made a romhack that puts the new levels in the SNES version. Just play that if you want to try them.

>> No.6541923

What's that yellow Yoshi about to do to that pink Yoshi?

>> No.6541938

>>6541923
Rape. It's the reason they keep sending him to fight the bosses.

>> No.6542531

>>6538614
In all fairness, YS was the first game to star solely Yoshi with no Mario attached to him. Might explain why Nintendo is so attached to it.

I guess a better way to put it is, Yoshi's Island is a Mario game, Yoshi's Story is a Yoshi game.

>> No.6542706

>>6536675
This game is terrible. I don't understand why OP keeps posting this every week.

>> No.6542729
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6542729

And then Nintendo went to shit with fucking 3d Mario. Fuck that overhyped, paid-off reviews shit and its bad controls and abysmal camera.

>> No.6542735

>>6541923
#metoo

>> No.6543762

>>6536797
Agreed and even crafted world is a better yoshi story though there’s a ceiling on how good a game like story or cw can be and that ceiling is well below island and ww

>> No.6543792

>>6542706
You exist very alone with your opinion

>> No.6544345

>>6538640
The first time I played Yoshi's Story and heard him say NINtendo I ripped the cart out while the power was still on

>> No.6544452

>>6543792
Nope, there are others who agree with me...

>>6538467
>>6537239
>>6536936
>>6536903
>>6536693

>> No.6544484

>>6536693
Based. Calling it SMW2 was blasphemy.

>> No.6544489

>>6544452
Hope you feel less alone with these 6 anons, then.

>> No.6544570

>>6544452
why are you replying to yourself?

>> No.6544679

>>6536675
I like Yoshi Story, it has a lot of replayability and secrets, the only downside is the difficulty, it's too easy.

>> No.6545827

>>6536675
>best 2D platformer ever made
That's a lie. Super Mario World, Sonic & Knuckles 3, and Super Mario 3 can claim that title, but not Yoshi's Island, as it is evident that plenty of people including myself are not a fan of this game. Maybe if it were a true sequel to Super Mario World, with keeping Mario as an adult and gaining new power ups, this game would have been better, but nope. The focus seems to be on Yoshi and a crying baby Mario. Whoever came up with this idea needs to be fired from Nintendo.

>> No.6545946

>>6545827
Soooo your complaints are all superficial and it doesn't matter what the game is actually like as long as it has power ups?

>> No.6545969

>>6536675
Are there any major differences between the SNES and the GBA version? I had the GBA ver as a kid.

>> No.6546020

>>6545946
I've played it. It has nothing on Super Mario World or Super Mario Brothers 3.

>> No.6546109

>>6545827
>as it is evident that plenty of people including myself are not a fan of this game
Sure samefag.

>> No.6546167

>>6536675

they stopped using sprites which had soul and started to 3d render them

trihex who used to speedrun the game goes into detail about the newer games and why they arent as good. sprites, learnable tech such as 1 frame lossless flutter kicking and instant egg tossing etc, games more casul and slow, less depth as a result

>> No.6546198

>>6539625
For me it's Yoshi's stupid baby voice that would never have been used post-Yoshi's Story if Nintendo were not staffed entirely of retards.

>> No.6546220

I know the soul vs soulless thing is just a worn out meme, but this is literally the textbook example in the case of Yoshi's Island vs it's sequels.

When they made YI, they had ideas. artistic vision, game plans. They pushed the SNES to the limits. And that's not all. They had FUN. They created the game for adults, and for themselves. The game had humour, charm, style. The creators enjoyed every minute making it.despite probably spending 20 hours a day in the office. I guess they showed their new ideas to each others, and laughed a lot.

The sequels? Nothing of this. They just wanted cheap cash grabs based on the original game. They had no artistic vision and they treated the players as retarded autists or 10 year olds at most.

Nintendo had lots of creative pool in the 80s and early 90s. But after SM64 everything has changed, they started focusing on the youngest audience, and they are only doing games to milk more with creativity and humour all left behind.

Heck, even the faggot voices of the characters were just a step in the wrong direction. I utterly distaste both Mario's and Yoshi's voice, not to mention the other characters.

2D Mario Bros games suffer badly from this too. NSMB series is a clusterfuck shit with mishmash ideas, retarded graphics with dancing enemies, terrible sound, bah-bah music, but all the relevant gameplay is a mixed rehash of old ideas.

Nintendo is an anacronysm now, and should have been disbanded in 1996.

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>>6546109
>Sure samefag
>Has no argument
Stay salty. kek

>> No.6546926

>>6546220
There is literally nothing fun about this game.

>> No.6546930

>>6546919
>this image
>that filename
Hello tourist

>> No.6546932

take your meds, schizo.

>> No.6546936

>inb4 he changes ip to shit on the game again

>> No.6546937

>>6546930
>caring about filenames in 2020
Hello autist.

>> No.6546954

>>6546936
>Everyone who hates this game is the same person

Hmmm... >>6537432

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6547023

>>6536675
This game is amazing and I love our eight Yoshis and how they set it up. I always wondered how the group wound up deciding that Yellow and Blue would battle all the bosses. They went through quite a lot, ya know!

>> No.6547049

>>6546926
Because you don't have a sense of humour anon.

>> No.6547105

Best game ever.

>> No.6547243
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6547243

Not even the best Yoshi game on the console.

>> No.6547250
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>>6547243
For me, it's Yoshi's Safari

>> No.6547270

>>6536675
It’s called premature ejaculation, they blew their load with everything they had on the first game. So after that they’re just firing blanks.

>> No.6547327
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Some of the level and background textures in Story on the N64 are some of the finest I have ever seen on that console. The ones that look like needle stitching. Made me wonder why other textures on the console look like vaseline.

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6547393

>>6536675
Not a big fan of YS but I do love the designs of the enemies in that game. They're so strange and charming, I honestly adore them.

>> No.6547508

>>6547049
And where's the humor in Yoshi's Island?

>> No.6547614

>>6536675
>every game in the series after it is mediocre or worse
fuck off yoshi island DS is great

now we all know that SMW has tons of ludo rom hacks but what of yoshis island sadly it seems to have only a handful of rom hacks 80% of them are made by the same dude over a 10 year time span fug I wish I had this autistic dedication