If the N64DD was released as originally scheduled, lets say it ended up being a success. Wouldn't they eventually reach the point where the cartridge slot is completely redundant? If so do you believe they would have released a disk drive only unit and cut off the cartridge slot entirely.

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Anonymous Sat Jun 20 08:33:05 2020 No.6535482 [Reply] [Original]

If the N64DD was released as originally scheduled, lets say it ended up being a success. Wouldn't they eventually reach the point where the cartridge slot is completely redundant? If so do you believe they would have released a disk drive only unit and cut off the cartridge slot entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 08:39:08 2020 No.6535487 No matter when you release them. Upgrade add-ons for consoles are always a failure that's why nobody has done them in over 2 decades.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 08:41:17 2020 No.6535490 >>6535487 NEC pulled it off with the PC ENGINE CD. They kept the HU CARD on the DUO system but by 1991 who the fuck cared about HU Cards it was all about the CD. Though the HU CARD slot was used for ram extension

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 09:46:18 2020 No.6535568 >>6535487 Yeah, it's like buying a new GPU. who would do that?

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 11:03:45 2020 No.6535651

The only successful add-ons are the ones with decent libraries.

It's the main reason why the first ones that jump to mind are Super Game Boy and Game Boy Player. If the Switch came out with a USB disc drive that could play GameCube and Wii games, it'd probably do well vs. fi the Switch came out with an entirely new add-on.

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 11:52:35 2020 No.6535697

>>6535482
Considering the cartridge slot is orders of magnitude faster, not really.
The DD also didn't have a higher max storage size than cartridges so moving from cartridge-only to tape-only would leave you with only one advantage: cheaper to manufacture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 12:01:49 2020 No.6535713 >>6535697 What's more expensive multiple 64DD floppies for big games or one large cartridge?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 12:41:15 2020 No.6535762 >>6535482 The delay was definitely a factor, but they also released almost no games for it - 10 to be exact. Of which 4 were Mario Artist packs, and 2 were Doshin the Giant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 13:58:56 2020 No.6535902 >>6535713 DD disks were 64MB, which the largest N64 game (Pokemon Stadium 2) was only 64MB

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 14:17:24 2020 No.6535941 >>6535902 They were also rewriteable, so if it was more successful they could have offered updates through RandNet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 14:41:35 2020 No.6536004 >>6535482 Like the mega cd and megadrive?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 18:30:43 2020 No.6536563 >>6535762 regular n64 had no games released for it too though and people still love it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:28:40 2020 No.6536665 >>6535568 wrong, it's like buying a new gpu when you have one that does the job fine but you stick both in the case anyways

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:38:51 2020 No.6536690 >>6535487 This. Many apparently too young to remember that. >>6535487 PC Engine wasn't selling well enough to consider anything a success.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:39:18 2020 No.6536696 >>6535482 >Let's say it came with a free pony and the pony was a unicorn. Wouldn't it's unicorn farts smell nice?

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:51:11 2020 No.6536737

>>6535482
Definitely not because you would still need the cartridge slot to play the early games. They're going to just ditch half their library?

>>6535697
>The DD also didn't have a higher max storage size than cartridges so moving from cartridge-only to tape-only would leave you with only one advantage: cheaper to manufacture.

Considering that the entire #1 reason by a landslide why the N64 lost is because of the price of manufacturing cartridges (which could go up to something like $35 per cart for a 64MB cart), yeah that's a big deal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:54:33 2020 No.6536747 >>6536696 Sorry but the pony board is two block down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:56:01 2020 No.6536751 >>6536737 >Definitely not because you would still need the cartridge slot to play the early games. They're going to just ditch half their library? Release them on DD format and halt cartridge productions

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 20 19:57:33 2020 No.6536753 >>6535482 No, would've been the same end result as the FDS - people use it for a while, it gets annoying and the disks fail due to Japanese humidity, then everyone goes back to carts

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 20:28:55 2020 No.6536832 [DELETED]

>>6536751
It's not as easy as that. The disc drive can't access the N64 as fast as the cartridges so it can't be backwards compatible with it.

Besides, who would want that anyway? What about the second hand market, old games, swapping games with people giving you access to multiple times the games you own? I have no more words - this wouldn't be a good idea.

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 20:31:22 2020 No.6536839

>>6536751
It's not as easy as that. The disc drive can't access the N64 as fast as the cartridges so it can't be backwards compatible with it. They would have to crack open the game codes and the end result would likely still not be the same games.

Besides, who would want that anyway? What about the second hand market, old games, swapping games with people giving you access to multiple times the games you own? I have no more words - this wouldn't be a good idea.

Anonymous Sat Jun 20 20:43:32 2020 No.6536859

>>6535482
Wikipedia says that they announced this first thing in 1995, before the N64 even came out. Nintendo should have made a decision from the beginning, if they were going to make the console use those proprietary disks, CDs or the final cartridges.
Instead of wasting so much time on an add-on, which they should have learnt from Sega with their Sega CD and 32-x, they could have use that energy and effort to make more games for their system and perhaps the games planned for the 64DD like Earthbound 64 would have actually been released.
Nintendo really fucked up a lot after the SNES, for example the Virtual Boy that was clearly not in a good state to be released, could have been the Game Boy Color instead. Speaking of the Game Boy Color, that was released after the Japan-only Game Boy Light but it, neither the original GBA, had a light. The online capabilities of the 64DD could have been used on the GameCube or the regular 64 but the opportunity was missed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 01:23:52 2020 No.6537335 >>6536747 You should go back there. A more fitting place to talk about childish fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 02:43:12 2020 No.6537478 >>6537335 >A more fitting place to talk about childish fantasies That's not how /his/ is spelled, you four eyed queer.

Anonymous Sun Jun 21 03:07:56 2020 No.6537519

>>6536859
>The online capabilities of the 64DD could have been used on the GameCube or the regular 64 but the opportunity was missed.
I know it's NOT RETRO but the way Nintendo did jackshit with the gamecube and networking was such a missed opportunity. The functionality was there, the way that system compartmentalises addons that you plug into the bottom was really smart. It could have been the standout feature that the gamecube really needed to suvive that gen. Not sure what they were thinking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 05:36:41 2020 No.6537665 >>6535482 I would have got one if it came out originally but by the time zelda came it was too late. In later games it didn't really seem like space was much of an issue except for fmv and music.

Anonymous Sun Jun 21 05:41:21 2020 No.6537669

>>6536839
>The disc drive can't access the N64 as fast as the cartridges so it can't be backwards compatible with it. They would have to crack open the game codes and the end result would likely still not be the same games.
FYI the Memory Pak was explicitly designed for the 64DD as a ROM cache.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 05:43:52 2020 No.6537672 >>6537669 meant expansion pak

>>	Anonymous !KEyCwN7BXE Sun Jun 21 11:59:04 2020 No.6538294 reported and saged

Anonymous Sun Jun 21 12:07:26 2020 No.6538323

>>6536859
>Game Boy Color, that was released after the Japan-only Game Boy Light but it, neither the original GBA, had a light
The technology used for the backlit screeon on the Gameboy Light wouldn't work for color screens. The Sega Game Gear had backlight but that used some kind of light bulb that guzzled electricity. At the time before rechargeable batteries were commonly available Nintendo thought it was very important that the batteries would last long.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 13:35:34 2020 No.6538553 >>6538323 That's true, but maybe they could have used a frontlight like on the AGS-101 Game Boy Advance SP. I feel like Nintendo knew it was weird to release the Game Boy Light just before the GBC which is why it was Japan only

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 21 13:52:53 2020 No.6538605 >>6538553 I guess rechargeable batteries weren't well-developed enough by that time. Also, the need for a lit screen wasn't that obviously needed until the GBA came out and the increased color depth fucked up the image.

Anonymous Sun Jun 21 14:48:12 2020 No.6538726

>>6538605
>color depth
Actually, the Game Boy Color and Advance have the same colour depth: 15-bit which allows for 32,768 colours. Obviously the difference is that the GBA can have a lot more colours on the screen at once and tiles can have a palette of more than just 4 colours - which may explain the weaker image.

>>	Anonymous !pSZ0i9QIUo Sun Jun 21 22:17:16 2020 No.6539794 reported and saged

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 22 05:06:09 2020 No.6540584 haha tall vcr

Anonymous Mon Jun 22 05:09:54 2020 No.6540593

If it took off, the cartridge slot would've been the equivalent of an expansion pak at least used for UI elements or backgrounds. By the time the cartridge slot was completely unnecessary the rest of the hardware would be on gen 2 anyway and they would've made a full Nintendo CD machine as a new model.

Anonymous Mon Jun 22 13:14:40 2020 No.6541359 [DELETED]

>>6537672
Expansion pak is 4.5 megabytes, nowhere near the 64 megabytes needed to hold all of a DD rom in it at the same time. Even in 2020 it costs around $80 for a flashdrive that can hold the largest games (256mb) in memory the same way as if it was from a cartridge.

Anonymous Mon Jun 22 13:15:44 2020 No.6541363

>>6537672
Expansion pak is 4.5 megabytes, nowhere near the 64 megabytes needed to hold all of a DD rom in it at the same time. Even in 2020 it costs around $80 for a flashcart that can hold the largest games (256mb) in memory the same way as if it was from a cartridge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 22 19:30:32 2020 No.6542112 does the n64 have any cool arcade ports? are there any good out of the way n64 games? is there a better emulator than p64 because p64 cant even do rogue squadron which sucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 23 15:40:28 2020 No.6543981 >>6535482 Some games would have been released on carts and others on discs. Carts were faster but held less and were more expensive. Discs were cheaper and held more but were slower. Neither one had a clear advantage over the other in those days.

Anonymous Tue Jun 23 16:25:47 2020 No.6544110

>>6535568
It's not equivalent because 99% of the market is stuck with the old incompatible GPU.
Nobody bought games for the DSi or 3DS Plus.
Nobody cared to upgrade for the Wii Motion Plus and Nobody wanted Xbox Kinetic exclusives.

And don't get me started on the Sega 32X.

Anonymous Wed Jun 24 10:44:27 2020 No.6545906

>>6535482
>Wouldn't they eventually reach the point where the cartridge slot is completely redundant?

Nintendo was afraid of this with the Sony SNES-CD, as Sony had their own approval and royalties system set it place and basically trojaned the console and much of its own first party developers (Marvelous by R&D1)
I think they could have negociated a better deal in the end, and the need for better coprocessor chips would still be present.

Nintendo was idiotic and overcompensated with the 64DD, a system they had FULL CONTROL over, and still limited the discs to 64MB (same as the maximum cartridge space) both physically and memory map wise.
Same Yamauchi genius who told them to remove the PLANNED X/Y buttons from the GBA so that it didn't turn out a mere snes port machine... it turned out a SHITTY snes port machine

The N64DD was a pure disaster for Nintendo.
Nintendo had a few faithful third parties who stuck with them despite the runaway success of the PlayStation, and they still got dealt that shit sandwich that eventually never even got a proper release (a mail order limited print isn't a console release in any sense of the term) and was still hard to develop for.

Iwata turning that around with the Nintendo DS (not even the GBA) was nothing short of a miracle. Better developer support, better docs, not killing it off until years later (same for the GBA, they didn't retire it extremely fast and leave lagging developers with no avenue to release their games either, so you still got 2007 games) That console did everything right and almost outsold the PS2.

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>>6541363
>Even in 2020 it costs around $80 for a flashcart that can hold the largest games (256mb) in memory the same way as if it was from a cartridge.
that's the cost of a niche item which has an FPGA and shit as well
512Mbit (the biggest games) of dram doesn't cost nearly that much, back in 1995 it would have been too expensive, but not so much by 2000, which is around when the only few 512Mbit games came out
pic related, it'd be way cheaper if you could use modern 1.8v chips instead, dunno if that's a possibility

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 24 21:34:32 2020 No.6547256 >>6544110 >nobody cares for Wii motion plus I did and it was fucking cool as hell

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 25 16:31:41 2020 No.6549245 >>6535487 there have been add ons many times in the past twenty years, even now consoles are getting revised releases as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 25 22:15:32 2020 No.6549990 >>6535490 Why are you randomly CAPITALIZING WORDS

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 25 22:16:57 2020 No.6549992 >>6549990 Zoomer detected

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 25 23:56:05 2020 No.6550178 >>6535482 No on all questions. Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 26 00:25:47 2020 No.6550242 Yeah. I want my EarthBound 64 that Nintendo promised me. So it's like a Sega CD?

Anonymous Fri Jun 26 01:12:58 2020 No.6550351

>>6550242
they're just big, writable magnetic discs
like huge floppy discs
only they're still just 64M in size, so the games won't be any bigger or have streaming music/video
the only real advantage over carts is that they're cheaper to produce, so more games could be 64M (most cart games were between 12 and 32M because the bigger the game the more expensive they were to manufacture), they're also faster loading than CD's.. or at least the CD drive in the playstation (1M/s compared to the psx's 2x 350K/s drive), still super slow compared to cartridges, of course

it may have been a good idea to use these magnetic discs /instead/ of carts from the very beginning, that might have been interesting, but as an addon.. there's not much incentive to get it, it would need big exclusive games (like zelda... which it almost was)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 26 01:15:43 2020 No.6550358 >>6550351 Would two disc game releases been viable for 64DD, for some of that FMV and prerendered magic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 26 01:21:09 2020 No.6550372 >>6550358 i don't know exactly how much cheaper they were, but i imagine cheap enough for that to be a possibility

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 26 15:50:20 2020 No.6551946 >>6538553 game boy light was (and IS) trash though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 26 15:58:22 2020 No.6551964 >>6535482 The cartridge slot was redundant on release. It made the N64 inferior to the PSX

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 02:53:50 2020 No.6553354 >>6551964 i think you meant obsolete, redundant doesn't fit in your sentence

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 03:01:29 2020 No.6553368 >>6535482 Fucking PROPRIETARY HARDWARE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 03:02:16 2020 No.6553369 If only they had released earthbound 64

Anonymous Sat Jun 27 09:02:52 2020 No.6553881

>>6535482
>f the N64DD was released as originally scheduled, lets say it ended up being a success.
it wouldn't have ended up being a success. it was too fucking slow to load shit off of disk.
>Wouldn't they eventually reach the point where the cartridge slot is completely redundant?
no, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 09:14:06 2020 No.6553893 I would have bought it just for the f zero expansion and earthbound 64

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 01:49:59 2020 No.6555837 >>6535487 >TIL the Xbox HD-DVD drive is over 20 years old

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 02:07:39 2020 No.6555865 >>6555837 was there any games released for it? i'm not sure i'd put it in the same category as things like the DD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 03:51:00 2020 No.6556052 >>6555837 No its not

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 02:36:33 2020 No.6558668 File: 197 KB, 1280x720, 1591869540271.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535482 You think they would have learned the first time they tried this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 03:14:26 2020 No.6558730 >>6558668 That was actually successful tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 03:48:24 2020 No.6558837 >>6545906 >Same Yamauchi genius who told them to remove the PLANNED X/Y buttons Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:35:12 2020 No.6559553 >>6535762 There were a bunch more planned that got scrapped because Nintendo gave up on the DD.

Anonymous Tue Jun 30 05:12:57 2020 No.6561487
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>>6558730
not for long, they were back on cartridges by the time Super Mario 3 was completed if not before

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