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6532794 No.6532794 [Reply] [Original]

Why do we deviate from calling them ROMs and instead lean to "ISO"?

ISO is an organization that sets standards, from how to run your business, to how you should maintain an environment, and more relevantly, how to set up a file system on a disk. It's still a ROM, just organized under the standard set in ISO 9660.

>> No.6532796

>>6532794
>It's still a ROM, just organized under the standard set in ISO 9660.
there's your answer

>> No.6532806

>>6532794
I mean, I suppose if you wanna be really autistic about it, I'm sure we'll eventually reach a point at which words begin to lose meaning.
but rom largely refers to chips. and discs aren't chips.

>> No.6532809

>>6532806
>CD-ROM

>> No.6532816

It's good to have a simple distinction between cartridge/disc roms without having to specify every single time.

>> No.6532819

>>6532816
Why do you think that distinction needs to exist? Is that coming from a ripper perspective only or a consumer perspective too?

>> No.6532823

>>6532809
yeah, *CD*-rom. the name itself is trying to differentiate itself from "regular" roms, which most people automatically associate with chips.
you also don't say SMD-rom. you just say rom.

>> No.6532826

>>6532823
fair enough

>> No.6532857

>>6532794
Most retro disc based games are in bin/cue format but that's way too many letters and symbols for an effective acronym.

>> No.6532893

Anything as big as and above CDs in size =ISO
Anything smaller = ROMs (that includes N64 and NDS games)

>> No.6532916

>>6532819
I've been involved in ripping these things. Historically they are treated very differently. Roms were a little more old fashioned, BBS style tagging/packing. Like they still use for 0day PC stuff. Up until the GBA at least. I don't know how NDS/3DS stuff was handled because I never really owned those systems. ISO sections on scene sites have disc images. They are typically larger files and split up for easier spreading/distribution. Even though the file format isn't always iso, sometimes bin and cue, cdi for dreamcast, img for DVDR video stuff, people still called them isos. In the days before emulation took off "rom" was a word that was used a lot but not quite as much as it was after. Terminology from pre-emu days such as "rom kids" still gets used now but the activity that came when that stuff spread on the internet really popularized it far more than in the BBS days. Those websites deserve more credit for the enduring popularity of "rom" and scene deserves credit for the popularity of the term "iso" referring to any disc image.

>> No.6533109

>>6532893
>>6532916
So what do you call a switch dump? People have been going with "NSP", but I have a feeling this is going to be what people start to call it unironically from now on.

>Those websites deserve more credit for the enduring popularity of "rom" and scene deserves credit for the popularity of the term "iso" referring to any disc image.
I see no problem with these attributions. On the topic of "rom kids", which is probably why I even made this thread, I guess my main point really is that you can't really fault someone for calling an ISO a rom. Whoever says that is still probably fucking stupid, but not really wrong. It's the same wisdom that comes with saying that tomatos don't belong in a fruit salad.

>> No.6533127

>>6533109
>switch
It's not retro so we don't care what it's called.

>> No.6533129

>>6533109
Because of their size they probably end up on iso sections on sites. Some people probably call them roms though and people won't likely get mad at them because of it. As we move away from optical media the distinctions get blurred. Pretty soon physical media will be gone further complicating things. Hard to say what people will call that stuff 10 years from now.

>> No.6533130

>>6532794
>venom will never sit on your face
Why even live

>> No.6533169

>>6532916
based ripper. Thank you for the context.

>> No.6533171

>>6533127
It will be, anon. It will be.

>> No.6533318

Calling it ISO not negating it being a a ROM, no one actually argues that. It’s being used as a synonymous of “disc image”, much like your parents call all consoles a Nintendo

>> No.6533684

Cartridge = rom
Optical media = iso
Digital distribution = who knows?

>> No.6533746

>>6533684
>Digital distribution

I'm leaning towards game or program.

>> No.6533823

>>6533684
>Digital distribution = who knows?
usually the name of the extension, but not always.
wiiware = wad.
3ds = cia.
psp = eboot.
ps3 = pkg or simply "psn game".
vita = same as ps3.
xbox 360 = jtag, rgh or god. sometimes even "xbla".

>> No.6533826

>>6532794
ISO is just a type of ROM.

>> No.6533840

>>6532794
every ISO is a ROM, but not every ROM is an ISO

>> No.6534151

>>6532823
Nice save anon.

>> No.6534298

It meant that the game was gonna take a lot longer to download.

>> No.6534318

>>6532794
>Why?
Autism

>> No.6534357
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6534357

Easy way to differentiate between a disc image and a cartridge dump in casual conversation.

>> No.6534802

>>6534357
>in casual conversation
There is no reason to differentiate in casual conversation. Only technical discourse.

>> No.6534820

>>6534802
There is a good reason though. When you're talking about roms you're talking about small files that are very easy to store and also easy to transfer. Historically they were easy to emulate which is why people wanted them. If you wanted to do something with isos most of the time it meant you were going to burn a disc and play it on your console. They were big files that were hard to find hosting for and were swapped around using other methods. I had a hacked xbox and it was a pain in the ass to get isos for it until I got onto scene FTP sites. Even then I could only get the latest games. Since they were so big sites didn't tend to have huge archives of them. If I wanted old games I had to rent them from the local video store and copy them. Just going to some website and downloading them was unthinkable.

>> No.6535138
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6535138

>>6532893
What about floppy images like the ones with the extensions D64, ADF, ST, DSC, IPF etc.?
Let alone tape images, i. e. obviously TAP, TZX or T64?
They're clearly no ISO's, but I don't know if a dump of a tape (I've done this with a simple Stereo too) or a dump of a floppy can still be considered as a ROM.

>> No.6535262

Just call everything a disquette copy.

>> No.6535347

>>6535138
floppy dumps are usually called 'image'

>> No.6535689

>>6533823
Oh shid the cia runs 3ds

>> No.6535708

>>6535347
Image is generally the correct term, no matter whether it's from a floppy disk, hard disk, ROM chip, Compact Disc, Laser Disc, flash drive, magnetic tape, punched tape or whatever. It's always an image of a storage medium.

>> No.6535721

>>6532794
Because a ROM is literally a collection of read-only memory all compiled into a single chunk of data, and an ISO is a disk image which is a collection of loose files. To the end user of an emulator they're basically the same thing but outside of that they're very different.

>> No.6535750

>>6532794
Who the hell cares you can search rom or iso and google can't even tell the diffrence, fuck your semantics OP! I just wanna play games.

>> No.6536146

>>6535750
Go ahead anon, nobody is stopping you.
Leave the real talk to adults here.

>> No.6536161

>>6533318
This right here. This whole thread is just arguing pointless semantics; nobody on the planet has ever actually been bothered by this distinction.

>> No.6536814

>>6535721

exactly, the massification of cd and dvd recorders made the iso format popular. To burn a cartridge rom required more expensive hardware and materials more difficult to get.

>> No.6536912

I have a question: why are they called CD-ROMs anyway? Audio CDs came first and were read-only but they were just called CDs. When a filesystem was put on the disk instead of Redbook, who decided that the way we would differentiate them from audio discs was by adding a term that is applicable to both formats?

>> No.6536932

>>6532809
Top kek.

>> No.6536937

>>6536814
Rather than burning cartridge roms people owned devices that would load them into ram from floppy disks. Those were quite expensive as well but were the best way to pirate before emulation became robust and widespread. By the time the GBA was out using flash memory instead of ram was a viable option.

>> No.6537440

>>6532794
Why do we deviate from calling you fucktard?

>> No.6537473

>>6536937
>not having a CD drive for game doctor
wew lad

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>> No.6541229

Why is The Tick so pissed here? Did someone buttfuck Arthur?

>> No.6541258

>>6532893
Basically this. If it's on disc, even weird ones like the PSP UMDs, it's an ISO. If it wasn't on a disc, it's a ROM..I guess an exception would be like Switch games, they come on like sd cards but I wouldn't consider them ROMs. Not retro so doesn't matter anyway

>> No.6541267

>>6535138
Image dummy. I consider PC and microcomputer games in a seperate category all their own outside of ROMs

>> No.6541325

>>6536912
Because in the context of a computer, it's important to clarify that you couldn't write to the CD as you could any other "disc" of the time.
CD had many formats at the time (Redbook audio, CD+G, CD-i, the various video CD standards), but all were read only because consumer burners were nearly a decade away.
In every context but a computer, it's obvious that you can't write to a CD, because you only record to tapes. But with computers, the questions will intevitably rise. "If I can write to a floppy and not this, why am I spending $400 for a CD drive?"

>> No.6541529

>>6532794

ROM is a file, .ISO is a file format. Now delete this thread and fuck off.

>> No.6541542

>>6541529
This is wrong and not-insightful. Fuck off to your daily n64 jerkoff thread.

>> No.6541607

>>6532794
SPIDER WUUUUUUUUUUUSS

COME OUT AND PLAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>> No.6542714

>>6537473
Better off having a gotek these days. CD drives were for the plebs that got in as the system was dying and bought pirate CD-Rs full of roms.