/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6525001]

https://youtu.be/x0weL5XDpPs
Thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.6525025]

>>6525001
Very interesting.
I really like the effect it has on some of the gradients. That said, I am also quite fond of the non-dithered pixels.

[Anonymous No.6525081]

I can see the pixels on the waterfall on my Mega Drive through composite.

[Anonymous No.6525098]

>>6525001

[Anonymous No.6525136]

>>6525001
you ought to lay off the e-celeb-drugs.

[Anonymous No.6525151]

>>6525136
pre-canned low effort reply

[Anonymous No.6525435]

>>6525001
I really like technical detail channels, way more interesting than just reviews or commentary.

[Anonymous No.6526573]

>>6525081
I believe newer crts where a lot better and didnt work as well.

[Anonymous No.6527729]

Reminds me of this CGA video i saw that explained that it was supposed to take advantage of composite interpretation to add colors through blending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKblgZupOc

sucks that as time marches on we cant rely on the techniques they had available to exploit

[Anonymous No.6527863]

>>6525001
Pretty good channel, I don't like compsotie filters though

[Anonymous No.6527869]

for me, it's xm29+

[Anonymous No.6528001]

>have everything look like a blurry mess just to make a few specific cases look better
Doesn't seem worth it really

[Anonymous No.6528018]

>>6527869
why did they name it after the nec xm29 if it looks nothing like the nec xm29

[Anonymous No.6528092]

>>6527729
> Not as bad as you thought! (embed)
yes, they are as bad as i thought and remembered.
>sucks that as time marches on we cant rely on the techniques they had available to exploit
people that still have CRT monitors can. the rest have to deal with garbage LCD tech.

[Anonymous No.6528096]

>>6528018
>scanlines

[Anonymous No.6528097]

>>6525001
>Thoughts on this?
it's accurate. this is why i keep telling fuckers to use CRT screens. people that have only played emulators and never seen real hardware are unaware of the techniques that graphics artists and programmers came up with that relied on how CRT worked. they wouldn't have known about them either. sonic is a great example.

[Anonymous No.6528260]

>>6528018
because it's xm29 PLUS

[Anonymous No.6529107]

>>6528260
it doesn't look like an xm29 plus either

[Anonymous No.6529232]

>>6525001
i wish it brought up lion king.
its the extreme example of making your tv picture so fucking bad just to get what the devs intended.

[Anonymous No.6529271]

>>6525001
Some games benefit more than others. The Sonic games look great pixel perfect. Others have vertical lines on the character sprites or foreground objects and look atrocious.

[Anonymous No.6529352]

>>6529271
I find pixel perfect character shadows jarring. Comix Zone and Twinkle Tale are examples of how bad it can be.

[Anonymous No.6529742]

>>6525001
Small channels like these make Youtube worth existing.

[Anonymous No.6529781]

>>6525001
>Needing a video to understand this shit when we talked about it for years.
Zoom Zoom begone.

[Anonymous No.6529829]

>>6525001
dithered art is ok when it's not overdone like eternal champions

vertical dither is always disgusting unless it's used to simulate an animated waterfall or something similar

[Anonymous No.6529858]

I actually prefer the pixel water fall in sonic, the only games that I've found dithering to be a problem is Adams family and Twinkle Tale.

[Anonymous No.6529943]

>>6527869
Your subpixel offset is backwards, and the LUT is making everything red.

[Anonymous No.6530126]

>>6527869
>emulating the drawbacks of CRTs
Why? LCD already blurs everything to shit when scrolling, why would you want still images to look blurrier and darker on top?

[Anonymous No.6530326]

>>6529943
>Your subpixel offset is backwards
I don't know what it means
> and the LUT is making everything red.
yes it does, I've grown to like that tint. I have an alternitive version with LUT disabled and it doesn't look as nice
>>6530126
Because square pixels are jagged

[Anonymous No.6530535]

>>6529781
No thanks, Boom Boom. I quite like it here. What's your favorite CoD game?

[Anonymous No.6530564]

>>6528001
>a few specific cases
More like most of the library.
>>6529352
Vectorman's another one. The pillars are supposed to be transparent via composite but pixel perfect makes the levels look like they're made up of vertical lines.

[Anonymous No.6530574]

>>6527869
That looks fucking awful
>fake memelines without gamma adjustment causing the image to darken
>tinted inaccurate colors
>dithering is still obvious

[Anonymous No.6530771]

>>6530574
1. it does have gamma adjustment
2. consumer crts distort colors as well
3. dithering will always be obvious for as long as you want your image to be crisp

[Anonymous No.6530779]

>>6530771
>it does have gamma adjustment
Not enough
>consumer crts distort colors as well
So you're emulating the shit from CRTs that's pointless.
>dithering will always be obvious for as long as you want your image to be crisp
So you're content with emulating shit like wrong colors but not the things from composite signals developers actually relied to make their games look how they wanted.

It's funny how fags who try to emulate CRTs always focus on the shit that doesn't really matter (scan-lines, phosphorus glow, etc) but they eschew things that old game visuals actually relied on (color distortion in composite signals)

[Anonymous No.6530783]

>>6530779
>Not enough
you don't seem to know what you're talking about
that shader offers plenty of gamma adjustment headroom
>So you're emulating the shit from CRTs that's pointless.
why is it pointless?
>So you're content with emulating shit like wrong colors
there's no wrong or right when it comes to artistic representation, it all comes down to personal judgement
>developers actually relied to make their games look how they wanted.
do you have anything to back up that claim?

And most importantly, why are you so angry?

[Anonymous No.6530824]

>>6530564
All the "amazing dithering effects" seem to effect mostly crap games, Earthworm Jim isn't that great and neither is Vectorman.

The only decent game that "suffers" is Twinkle Tale,

[Anonymous No.6530837]

>>6530783
>that shader offers plenty of gamma adjustment headroom
And you're not using it.
>why is it pointless?
Because scanlines and shit wasn't used as a means to get some representation of visuals. Color distortion to mask dithering however, was.
>there's no wrong or right when it comes to artistic representation
>muh death of the author meme
Sorry, no. Play with your shit shaders all you want, we'll still laugh at them.
>it all comes down to personal judgement
And your's is shit.
>do you have anything to back up that claim?
The images posted and games mentioned in this thread.
>ur mad
I'm sorry you're insecure about your shader choice.

And most importantly, why are you so retarded?

[Anonymous No.6530839]

>>6530824
>All the "amazing dithering effects" seem to effect
Nearly the entire library
>Earthworm Jim isn't that great and neither is Vectorman.
Shit taste indeed.

[Anonymous No.6530852]

>>6530839
>Nearly
If the entire library consisted of about six games.
>Shit taste
In those shitty games, I agree.

[Anonymous No.6530853]

>>6530837
>And you're not using it.
I do
>Because scanlines and shit wasn't used as a means to get some representation of visuals.
citation needed
>Sorry, no. Play with your shit shaders all you want, we'll still laugh at them.
we as in who?
>And your's is shit.
what made you think so?
>The images posted and games mentioned in this thread.
they do not back up that claim in any way
>I'm sorry you're insecure about your shader choice.
wow you really are hostile
I can't quite imagine what would make a person act in such manner
>And most importantly, why are you so retarded?
question based on a false premise

CRT shaders seem to be a contentious topic for some people. How come?

[Anonymous No.6530863]

>>6530574
>fake memelines without gamma adjustment causing the image to darken
That's something you fix by cranking up your screen's brightness, which isn't too bad since a properly calibrated screen probably isn't much higher than 40% brightness, so you've got plenty of wiggle room. You really can't do it at a software level without washing out the image, but you can definitely get that nice glow with hardware brightness.
>tinted inaccurate colors
Yes, the LUT on that shader makes everything pink.
>dithering is still obvious
He isn't running an NTSC pass in the stack to properly blur it.

[Anonymous No.6530868]

>>6530839
>western jankformers
>great
wew that's a lot to unpack

[Anonymous No.6530874]

>>6530868
>unpack
Go back to resetera

[Anonymous No.6530890]

Best I can do at 1080p.

[Anonymous No.6530891]

>>6530890
Yes, ntsc-composite preset is pure cringe, thanks for showing us.

[Anonymous No.6530892]

>>6530868
oof, yikes my sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.6530893]

>>6530891
Here you go anon, I've got something right up your alley. No need to thank me :)

[Anonymous No.6530896]

>>6530893
you don't need to be so defensive
it is indeed cringe of the same magnitude brz scaling is

[Anonymous No.6530902]

>>6530896
You're a tough anon to please! Don't worry, I have more tricks up my sleeve.

[Anonymous No.6530906]

>>6530902
Soul.....

Just kidding

[Anonymous No.6530924]

>>6530906
I will find a way.

[Anonymous No.6530974]

>>6530924
Fallen hero

[Anonymous No.6531073]

>>6530974
I don't know if the kids are having fun or if they're just being forced into liking the old shit Carmack likes.

[Anonymous No.6531157]

[Anonymous No.6531190]

>>6531073
Spotted the useless zoomer

[Anonymous No.6531205]

>>6527869
I don't have this shader. Just updated everything... where is it? The analog shader pack only has on xm29 preset without the plus. Or this the slang shader one, which looks great but doesn't work properly on 1080p. It's still good, but it shines in 1440p.

[Anonymous No.6531463]

>>6529829
How does this look like it was meant to be seen though.