/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6518092]

>reach 2nd zone
>fast simulator turns into scuffed mario
wait what

[Anonymous No.6518115]

>>6518092
Yeah, this game kinda sucks. Controls and level design are at odds with each other.

[Anonymous No.6518163]

>>6518092
>"Fast simulator"
>Only able to be fast in scripted segments where the game plays itself just to show off
Sonic 1 was never made to be faster than Mario in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6518181]

>>6518092
Keep your shit thread on /v/, everyone knows Sonic 1 is bad

[Anonymous No.6518184]

>>6518115
>>6518163
>>6518181
>>6518092
kys

[Anonymous No.6518187]

>>6518184
no u

[Anonymous No.6518190]

>>6518092
Sonic is about momentum. The game is paced out between fast levels, slow levels and various unique mechanics.

[Anonymous No.6518208]

>>6518092
That's the worst thing about marble zone, it plays like a Mario level.

[Anonymous No.6518216]

>>6518208
No the worst part was that it was really damn boring. Labyrinth has water to shake things up and stress you out, and Scrap Brain is a brutal fucker of a level. Marble is just.. there

[Anonymous No.6518223]

>>6518115
get good

[Anonymous No.6518224]

Sonic 1 is the actual best Sonic.
The complaints about Marble Zone are nonsensical when you have stuff like Metropolis in Sonic 2, Carnival Night in Sonic 3, and Sandopolis Act 2 in Sonic & Knuckles. In comparison to those, Marble Zone is a fucking precision-platforming masterpiece, and it is
>b-but I have to push 1 block!
Get over it and go push other switches and have even more waiting parts on the rest of the games.
Sonic 1 rewards only the most skilled of the Sonic players. You got filtered hard.

[Anonymous No.6518227]

>>6518092
There's a block in this bit that every time you jump off Sonic doesn't go into a ball, he just jumps. Has anyone else noticed this?

[Anonymous No.6518385]

>>6518092
sometimes to go fast, you first gotta go slow

[Anonymous No.6518402]

>>6518224
Based post

[Anonymous No.6518424]

>>6518092
Sonic 1 in general punishes you for going fast.

[Anonymous No.6518430]

>>6518227
Yep, confirmed bug. Folks over at Sonic Retro even have a patch for it. What I want to know is how the fuck no one caught Sonic phasing through solid brick while riding the marble block on the lava.

[Anonymous No.6518461]

>>6518092
You’re used to 25 years of Sonic being fast. The first game was its own thing and had no precedence. Basically, zoom.

[Anonymous No.6518802]

>>6518224
I actually do love Sonic 1. It feels so... 80's, in a very unique way. CD has some of the same feel, but 2 and 3 are pure 90's.

[Anonymous No.6518823]

If you have a handle on Sonic's momentum you can do skips in Marble Zone that aren't possible in Mario games

[Anonymous No.6518828]

>>6518224
The thing is Sonic 1 has more slow levels percentage-wise than the other games. Most of Sonic 2 and 3 is pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.6518831]

>>6518828
*Not that it makes Sonic 1 a bad game, I still love it.

[Anonymous No.6518856]

not gonna say Marble and Labyrinth are flawless, but they serve the purpose of immersing you in the other side of the spectrum after the freedom and lack of consequences in Green Hill. They may not be "fast" but there is a flow to them and mastering involves getting a handle on Sonic that Green Hill doesn't train you for. They are important steps to mastering the flow and momentum of Sonic's controls.

[Anonymous No.6518862]

>>6518828
As someone who has played every classic Sonic game for hundreds of hours I have to say that 2 has become my least favorite. There is almost too much open ground and speedy sections to the point that it becomes boring. If you've mastered how to make a few major jumps on most stages you can stay on the upper route and end them within 30 seconds. It's not challenging.

[Anonymous No.6518865]

>>6518092

[Anonymous No.6518871]

>>6518865
Sandopolis sucks so much

[Anonymous No.6518892]

>>6518871
Only Act 2.

[Anonymous No.6518902]

>>6518892
Act 1 isn't that good either. Look at it, a messy maze not too different from the usual western crap. Too much slides, too much block pushing, not enough momentum-based platforming.
Marble Zone is much better than this mess.

[Anonymous No.6518906]

>>6518902
It always played just fine to me, Anon.

[Anonymous No.6518908]

>>6518906
How? The maze-like level design is there, the slides are there, the block pushing is there.
Marble Zone is more linear and gives you always opportunities to use momentum, you can bypass a lot of the waiting if you know what you're doing. The 3 Marble acts combined are a lot more fun to play through than Sandopolis Act 1, and Act 2 directly makes Marble Zone look like absolute 10/10 level design in comparison.

[Anonymous No.6519180]

>>6518865
I know this is an ancient shitpost but it's interesting to see the level design differences between Mario and Sonic and consider that both have always been critically acclaimed. Mario always has way more levels that are shorter and flatter and Sonic has much fewer levels that typically have three tiers of height with the bottom one basically being a punishment. You'd think that such different designs would lead to one being seen by most as superior and overtaking the other but they both coexisted just fine.

[Anonymous No.6519332]

>>6518461
>named sonic
>has very high movement speed
>"no precedence of him being fast"
has alzheimers rotted your brain?

[Anonymous No.6519370]

>>6518224
>Sonic 1 rewards only the most skilled of the Sonic players. You got filtered hard.

This is true. People who complain about Sonic 1 "not being fast" have two issues: 1) they don't get it 2) they suck

1) Sonic 1 was never about going fast all the time. It's about going fast when you need to, and figure out how to go fast and what the level design expects you to do; in order to reach more rewarding parts of the levels that can only be reached by going fast.
Of course, you can very well play it all slow, and never reach the areas that require you to go fast, generally sticking to the lower areas of the levels. But those areas are generally less rewarding, and reaching the "speed required" areas is a reward by itself as well.
2) These players never paid attention to the level design, and if they did, didn't have the skill to pull off what was required with the speed and the controls.

[Anonymous No.6519439]

>>6518865
>Picks 1st level of Mario 3 for "Average Mario level"
>Picks 3rd zone of Sonic & Knuckles, which is technically the 9th zone of Sonic 3 & Knuckles
I get the point that the image is making, but come on, this is the absolute worst kind of cherry picking that could've been done

[Anonymous No.6519452]

I'm speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeding!

[Anonymous No.6519457]

>>6518216
Exactly, it's a mario level.

[Anonymous No.6520296]

>>6519457
Mario levels don't have block pushing.
Anyway, Marble Zone > the amount of other actual bad zones in Sonic 1, Sonic 3 and S&K

[Anonymous No.6520412]

>>6518461
>The first game was its own thing and had no precedence.
That little kid that first replied to you here suffers from porn-rot and thus cannot comprehend the highly-accurate statement you just made here. "Fast" didn't have to mean F-ZERO GX in 1991. It just had to be convincingly speed-themed.

[Anonymous No.6520435]

I dunno what kind of brain rot convinces people that because Sonic is a "fast" character they aren't having fun unless he is moving at full speed constantly. Mario 3 heavily advertised the raccoon tail, imagine if people complained the game sucked for all the time they weren't Raccoon Mario

[Anonymous No.6520441]

>>6518092
It's nothing like Mario. This level ain't that bad to be honest.

[Anonymous No.6520525]

>>6520435
>Mario 3 heavily advertised the raccoon tail, imagine if people complained the game sucked for all the time they weren't Raccoon Mario

It would be more like, complaining that there is an enemy on their way to take out their raccoon suit while they're building momentum to fly.

[Anonymous No.6520597]

>>6518184
cry moar nigger

[Anonymous No.6521405]

reported and saged 1

[Anonymous No.6521691]

>>6518181
Only people who suck at it, says that.

[Anonymous No.6521703]

>>6518865
>picking such a shit zone
Sandopolis zone was where the downfall of the entire Sonic franchise began. Pretty clear it was never reaching the Sonic 1 & 2 level of quality again.

[Anonymous No.6521708]

>>6518908
>The maze-like level design is there
So?
>the slides are there
Oil Ocean Zone had slides too, what's your point?
>the block pushing is there.
Sonic 1 had block pushing in Marble Zone, yet you seem to like that just fine.

[Anonymous No.6521710]

>>6521703
Not Carnival Night?

[Anonymous No.6521729]

>>6521708
>So?
People tend to complain about Sonic stages that are more maze than straightforward
>Oil Ocean Zone had slides too, what's your point?
I'm defending Sonic 1 here
>Sonic 1 had block pushing in Marble Zone, yet you seem to like that just fine.
Exactly, people complain about the 1 or 2 block pushing Marble has, but levels like sandopolis have a lot more. Not to mention the swiches on act 2.

[Anonymous No.6521738]

>>6521710
Might be able to let that slide as a one-off, but when you hit Sandopolis after that it's clear the series is in a downward spiral. You could say both levels are equally responsible.

[Anonymous No.6521741]

>>6521729
Anon, I liked *both*. You're defending an uncontested position with hyperbole while failing to notice an increasingly-amused smirk forming on the face of the other party. I'm just wondering at all that wasted time and energy when we both could've left it at "Yeah....Those Sonic games are pretty neat-o keen, huh?".

[Anonymous No.6521743]

BUT EVERYONE SAID SONIC WAS SHIT BECAUSE ALL YOU DID WAS HOLD RIGHT
I swear, every single person that says that shit has never actually played the game where there are TONS of interesting fucking challenging platforming to do. Sonic > Mario.

[Anonymous No.6522008]

>>6520412
>le zoomer bogeyman
fucking kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6522010]

Based Marble Zone still filtering shutters in 2020.

[Anonymous No.6522319]

Sonic isn't about speed, it's about momentum

[Anonymous No.6522741]

>>6518865
Ironically these two levels are close to equally interactive

[Anonymous No.6522749]

>>6518092
Sonic 1 is so fucking ugly. Purple bricks, maroon bricks, yellow water level, metal rods at night, factory, its shit.

[Anonymous No.6523054]

>>6522749
shit taste detected

[Anonymous No.6523070]

>>6522008
Sounds like you're about do the honors, little faggot.

[Anonymous No.6523076]

>>6522749
This is indeed some shit taste. The computer 3D graphics in Green Hill and the special stage blew me the fuck away the first time I saw them, and this was after 2-3 years of playing 2 and 3&K.

[Anonymous No.6523142]

>>6521743
You're stuck on console wars from 30 years ago. Sonic and Mario are both great series, at least during retro times
>>6522749
Shit taste

[Anonymous No.6523149]

>>6522749
Shut your whore mouth, shitposter. Go fuck your face against a brick wall.

[Anonymous No.6524410]

Call me a zoomer, but I think games are better with this kind of variety

[Anonymous No.6524718]

sonic was never fast