Shmups

[Anonymous No.6498915]

Pretty much all my life I've kept hearing how genesis has the best shmups, however, how good are genesis shmups really? I mean, SNES has axelay, un squadron, R-rype 3 and super aleste; what does the genesis have of shmups?

[Anonymous No.6498936]

It has some arcade ports like Darius, but you're better off just emulating the arcade version for those. (although I'm not sure if they ever got Darius running right on emulation)

[Anonymous No.6498949]

>>6498915
MUSHA
thunder force 3&4
steel empire
elemental master
wings of wor
bio hazard battle
eliminate down
trouble shooter
gaiares
vapor trail

[Anonymous No.6498976]

>>6498915
There's more quantity on the Genesis/Mega Drive than the SNES for sure, and to its credit its technically got two Compile shmups instead of the one SNES has (Musha Aleste and Robo Aleste).
Also recommend Thunder Force 3 and 4/Lightning Force, Trouble Shooter and Trouble Shooter Vintage, Gleylancer, Bari-Arm, Lords of Thunder (both Sega CD), Gaiares, best console port of Air Buster, etc.

[Anonymous No.6499096]

>>6498976
>Compile

god damn I love them

[Anonymous No.6499134]

>>6498915
>SNES has axelay, un squadron, R-rype 3 and super aleste
All of those suck though. Axelay has nice graphics going for it and nothing else, UN Squadron is poorly designed casual bullshit, R-type 3 is the worst in the series by far and Super Aleste is the worst Shmup Compile ever did, it's like Blazing Lazers brutally retarded cousin they keep locked up in the attic.

[Anonymous No.6499193]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8GlFiyQGo

[Anonymous No.6499198]

T R U X T O N

[Anonymous No.6499205]

>>6499198
Fuck off Mark

[Anonymous No.6499213]

That shit has Phelios nigga fuck off with your gay little slowdowny ass shit like R-Type 3

[Anonymous No.6499227]

>>6498915
Both systems have great Shmups. Don't limit yourself like a zealot.

[Anonymous No.6499239]

>>6499134
I bet you're one of those faggots who loves Touhou shit.

[Anonymous No.6499254]

>>6498915
benis :DDDD

[Anonymous No.6499265]

>>6498915
SNES shmups were plagued by slowdown unlike the Genesis. That’s why people say it has better shmups.

[Anonymous No.6499275]

>>6499239
Yes that's why I used Blazing Lazers as an example of a good Shmup. I find Bullet Hell style Shmups really nice to look at but not play. They seem more concerned with filling the screen with as many bullets as possible instead of giving unique battles with enemy types that play well off of each other and the only difference I feel between the stage and boss section is that the screen stopped scrolling, there's no sense of pacing so even when they try their hardest, boss encounters just come off as very underwhelming and blend in wit the rest of the game. I also do not like how they give you back all your powerups after dying, it makes collecting them in the first place seem pointless, might as well just have the player powered up from the start. Respawning where you die trivializes the difficulty and removes the tension that is there in more Classic style Shmups though it is true that some of those games are guilty of checkpoints that made it near impossible to recover.

[Anonymous No.6499280]

>>6498915
The SNES shmups couldn't handle very many objects (ships, bullets) on the screen at one time - kind of the whole point of the genre. The Genesis was almost twice as powerful as the SNES, think of it like an overclocked SNES. Genesis shmups were a better experience overall.

[Anonymous No.6499291]

how are the SEGA AGES ports of Thunder Force IV and AC on the Switch?

or should I just emulate 3 and 4?

[Anonymous No.6499305]

>>6499265
All SNES games had performance/responsiveness problems due to the fact that Nintendo for whatever reason did not allow direct access to the hardware unlike Sega, this is why the Genesis versions of games always play better and are faster. PC games also do not allow direct access to the hardware but they are powerful enough that it doesn't make a difference, for an early 90s console though it is definitely significant.

[Anonymous No.6500451]

>>6499305
>due to the fact that Nintendo for whatever reason did not allow direct access to the hardware
lol what now?
pretty sure all snes games do direct access to the hardware, just like genesis games... there was no BIOS or OS layer running on those consoles

[Anonymous No.6500505]

Does Elemental Master count as a shmup?

[Anonymous No.6500536]

>>6498915
Hey guys I'm looking for the name of this schmup I played ages ago. It was lite a ww2 horizontal anime schmup on an arcade cabinet. All I remember was that one of the boses had a marionette.

[Anonymous No.6500548]

>>6500505
The box says so

[Anonymous No.6500886]

>Bro you gotta check out MUSHA
>I do
>Its bad
>Bro just give it a chance
>Its bad still

100% convinced this game is a meme.

Really no shmups on genesis beside the Thunder Force games do anything for me. If the Switch didn't have input lag it would easily be the best shmup console.

[Anonymous No.6500887]

>>6500886
He has no taste, he has no style

[Anonymous No.6500892]

>>6500886
It is a meme game, a shmup for people who dont play shmups or worse yet c*llectors who dont play anything

[Anonymous No.6500895]

>>6500886
>Switch
>best shmup console
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.6500912]

>>6498915
Best SHMUP i've played is Summer Carnival 92 on the NES

[Anonymous No.6500919]

[Anonymous No.6500924]

[Anonymous No.6500930]

>>6500895
Its the best because you can emulate actual good consoles on it

[Anonymous No.6500970]

>>6500930
>I cannot emulate these games on a PC I have to use the Nintendo Switch

[Anonymous No.6501002]

>>6500930
buttmad zoomer
>>/v/

[Anonymous No.6501013]

>>6500930
>buy Switch to play better non-nintendo games on it
peak zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.6501123]

Axelay is fucking amazing. The lava boss made people lose their shit back then. The soundtrack is top notch too, Konami did voodoo with the SNES back then.

[Anonymous No.6501136]

>>6501123
>Konami did voodoo with the SNES back then.
They didn't with Gradius III

[Anonymous No.6501163]

>>6501136
Yeah, one of the earlier games on the system. I'd say avoid.

[Anonymous No.6501165]

>>6498915
Zero Wing

[Anonymous No.6501276]

>>6501165
WHAT YOU SAY !!

[Anonymous No.6501286]

>>6501165
the toaplan shooters are my favorites. Not as flashy as some other shooters but gameplay always feel tight

[Anonymous No.6501873]

>>6500451
Not really, have you seen the huge difference in games released in the afterlife of these two consoles? SNES doesn't even compare due to how uptight Nintendo are about their systems being modified and explored. Enhancement chips for the cartridges because a system released two years later has half the CPU power than the Genesis. You can't make this up. Lol, SNES can't do this neither https://youtu.be/_vB_COFuYPU

[Anonymous No.6503196]

Super SWIV (Firepower 2000 in burgerland) is a great shooter that can sometimes throw a lot of shit at you with no slowdown. It also has two vehicles that play differently.
https://youtu.be/JcEYWpviMTA

Mega Drive got a PAL-only Mega SwIV but despite having an extra level it's inferior in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.6503230]

>>6503196
Everything not SWIV 3D sucked ass

[Anonymous No.6503592]

Ok well what is THE best MD shmup?

[Anonymous No.6503595]

>>6499134
>UN Squadron is poorly designed casual bullshit
>tfw get owned in this game all the time

[Anonymous No.6503630]

>>6503592
You'll have to just play a bunch and decide. For me it's Gaiares bit it's a tough choice.

[Anonymous No.6503684]

>>6498915
>how good are genesis shmups really?
Overall it's arguably better than the SNES shmup library, but not as good as the PCE one.
>Thunder Force III / Thunder Force IV
>Musha Aleste / Dennin Aleste (Robo Aleste)
>Gaiares
>Silpheed
>Eliminate Down
>Gleylancer
>Lords of Thunder
>Elemental Master
>Battle Mania Daiginjo
>Darius II (Sagaia)
>Super Fantasy Zone
>Bari-Arm (Android Assault)
>Gynoug (Wings of Wor)
>Truxton (Tatsujin)
>Keio Flying Squadron
What really hurts is the lack of R-Type and Konami shumps (Gradius, Parodius, Twinbee).

[Anonymous No.6503824]

>>6498915
I've been playing through Thunder Forve 4 lately but I fuck up constantly. How do I git gud?

[Anonymous No.6504834]

>>6501165
FOR GREAT JUSTICE

[Anonymous No.6504837]

>>6503684
>Mickey and Donald grayed out
modern copyright laws are steaming pile of shit

[Anonymous No.6504843]

>>6503824
I dunno. It's one of the easiest shmups on the system.

[Anonymous No.6504958]

>>6500919
cute

[Anonymous No.6504961]

>>6498915
Nice Axelay pic.

[Anonymous No.6504964]

>>6499134
Yikes

[Anonymous No.6505669]

>>6499134
The arcade version of Area 1488 is cool at least.

Capcom's best STG is Forgotten Worlds, though.

[Anonymous No.6505690]

>>6499275
>Respawning where you die trivializes the difficulty
What? Are you a credit feeder lol

[Anonymous No.6505715]

I was downloading a bunch of Genesis ROMs and came across this one game that I suppose you could consider a shmup. You played as a witch girl and you walked around in the overworld, I believe the game was Japan only and I recall the game becoming very difficult rather quickly. It seemed to be an early MD title.

[Anonymous No.6505724]

>>6505715
Twinkle Tale

[Anonymous No.6505781]

>>6505724
That's the one, thank you!

[Anonymous No.6505792]

If you want to play some real STGs, you're gonna need to cop yoself a SEGA Saturn

[Anonymous No.6505828]

>>6505792
Or download MAME, since almost all the games in your pic are just ports anyways.

[Anonymous No.6505935]

>>6498915
>kept hearing how genesis has the best shmups
Saturn has best shmups followed by Dreamcast.
A great DC shmup / bmup hybrid is Spike Cannon btw.

[Anonymous No.6505937]

>>6505828
With a good emulator you can upscale the graphics way more than on mame.

[Anonymous No.6505994]

>>6503592
Battle Mania Daiginjou. Super creative and goofy with tons of variety the whole way through. Just make sure you go into the options menu and set it up so you can fire in any direction, I forget what they call it, 8 way fire, multi-directional, something like that. Experiment until you have the setting that basically let's you play it like a top down shooter.

[Anonymous No.6506810]

>>6500505
sure

[Anonymous No.6506840]

>>6505792
based
>>6505935
>>6505937
cringe

[Anonymous No.6506990]

>>6505994
Music's spectacular as well.

[Anonymous No.6508440]

>>6503592
Thunderforce III

[Anonymous No.6510060]

>>6498949
Also

Phelios
Truxton
Forgotten Worlds
Battle Mania 2

It legitimately blows the SNES out of the water when it comes to shooters

[Anonymous No.6510067]

>>6500886
Just layers of b8 upon b8. Nice try, kid

[Anonymous No.6510070]

>>6500930
Lmao what a fucking retard. Ever heard of the little known PC? I have a toaster that runs better than a Switch ever could

[Anonymous No.6510072]

>>6500930
what is a PC

[Anonymous No.6510078]

>>6505935
Dreamcast is my favourite console of all time but there are only a handful of excellent shooters. Top tier ones but the Genesis and Saturn still outclass it in terms of sheer quantity.

[Anonymous No.6510114]

>>6510078
>Genesis shmups
>better than Dreamcast's
Pleb tier opinion, mate.

[Anonymous No.6510130]

>>6510114
Ikaruga isn't a shmup, it's an overrated puzzle game

[Anonymous No.6510141]

>>6510130
It's better than every shmup on the genesis combined

[Anonymous No.6510145]

>>6510114
>ikapooga
>good

[Anonymous No.6510147]

>>6505792
That's a whole lot of garbage.

[Anonymous No.6510159]

>>6510141
Subjective opinion

[Anonymous No.6510161]

>>6510147
STFU SonyDrone

[Anonymous No.6510223]

>>6510147
They don't call it the Sega Shiturn for nothing.

[Anonymous No.6510246]

>>6510130
>Ikaruga isn't a shmup, it's art
fixed

[Anonymous No.6510248]

>>6510223
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.6510263]

>>6510246
Style over substance. Compared to RSG its bare bones and boring.

[Anonymous No.6510331]

>>6510147
>>6510223
More contrarian, poorfag seething.

[Anonymous No.6510347]

>>6510263
It trimmed RSG's fat while developing the core gameplay making it more tight and precise

[ラジオちゃん !154PCPFtWc No.6510419]

>>6498915
PC Engine is the king of shmups, anon.

[Anonymous No.6510450]

>>6510347
aka a boring bare bones puzzle game

[Anonymous No.6510463]

>>6510419
>J U S T A M O M E N T . . .
>P L E A S E S E T D I S C !
PCEunuch CD drives dying left and right my boi

[Anonymous No.6510471]

>>6510347
I like the bosses and gameplay in Silvergun much better. Ikaruga's polarity shield is too gimmicky and most of the bosses are pushovers. You can tell Ikaruga was made by mostly one guy while Silvergun had a team behind it.

[Anonymous No.6510474]

>>6510114
One of the most autistic games I've every played, but it looks and sounds great.