/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.649738]

Which are the best retro strategy games out there?

Getting a fairly obvious one out of the way.

[Anonymous No.649746]

Dune 2000

[Anonymous No.649753]

>>649738

Panzer General, and all of their successors (allied general, fantasy general, etc)

Homeworld

Homm 3

Master of Magic

X-Com

AoE2

[Anonymous No.649763]

Warcraft 2, Total Annihilation

[Kodi No.649771]

TA. Few others are worth playing in multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.649773]

[Anonymous No.649783]

Worms: Armaggeddon

[Anonymous No.649793]

>>649753

Agreeing with based anon. Game was the shit.

[Anonymous No.649801]

>>649738
>The greatest RTS ever done
>A fairly obvious one

eat shit

[Anonymous No.649802]

Orcs and Humans, even though it has aged a lot

[Anonymous No.649831]

>>649801
Ya, Brood War is just fucking terrible

[Anonymous No.649838]

>>649831

Oh come on, tell me you didn't half crap your pants at Samir Duran's little speech in the secret mission.

[Anonymous No.649839]

>>649831
elaborate.

[Anonymous No.649847]

>>649802
I never liked 2 or 3 as much as that game.

[Anonymous No.649850]

>>649839
I was just making fun of the person I replied to, because BW is a very obvious choice in this category.

[Anonymous No.649859]

>>649850
oh. Alright.

I can expect someone to spout senseless shit, but someone agreeing with that useless shit? that's rather surprising.

[Anonymous No.649863]

>>649738

X-Com is definitely worth your time if you take the time to learn it and accept a bit of unfairness.

[Anonymous No.649865]

>>649863

Oh yes, FUCK opening doors in that game.

[Anonymous No.649874]

>>649865
how do you go around doing that?

[Anonymous No.649876]

>>649738
Baldies
Jurassic war
Echelon
Warbreeds
Army Men

[Anonymous No.649881]

Anything other than Total Annihilation is the wrong answer.

[Anonymous No.649882]

>>649865

When I have rookies stack up, I have one rookie in front, one rookie with a live grenade and my crack shots hiding around the corner waiting for the rookies to die.

[Anonymous No.649884]

>>649850
That was making fun of him? I thought you were being agreeable. I sure as fuck couldn't tell, because it's not an obvious choice at all.

[Anonymous No.649887]

>>649874

Well, I mean, walk through the door and it opens, the problem is, the way reflex shots work, if there's an alien (especially a sectoid) behind the door, he gets a free shot at point blank range, which will almost certainly kill you.

About the only thing you can do is wait for them to come out, or have a weapon powerful enough to punch the wall in and set up a crossfire.

TFTD was all about amping up the difficulty of the original, and even they finally gave you an option to open a door without walking through it.

[Anonymous No.649895]

>>649884
not really, Starcraft and it's expansion, Brood war, were one of the most well known, played and socially exposed RTS games of the decade.

[Anonymous No.649905]

chaos overlords
civ 2
ceasar 3
command and conquer
command and conquer red alert
KKND
dungeon keeper
syndicate wars
mission force cyberstorm
outpost
deadlock
War Wind (sorta the predecesor to battle realms)
battlezone 1 and 2
starwars rebellion
mech commander
populous the beginning
warhammer dark omen
Z
master of orion
star control 3
Pax Imperia Eminent Domain
Army Men
Commandos
Ground Control
Dark Reign
Total Annihilation
Seven Kingdoms
Warhams 40k: Final Liberation and Chaos Gate

Im missing a few more, that others havent mentioned yet

[Anonymous No.649902]

>>649895
holy repetitive punctuation batman I fucked that post up.

[Anonymous No.649904]

>>649887

>One aquatoid vs eight rookies
>Aquatoid returns home to loving wife and son

I hope the sequel to the new X-Com is based on Terror from the Deep.

[Anonymous No.649908]

>>649904

You mean cloning vat, amirite?

[Anonymous No.649914]

>>649895
>were one of the most well known, played and socially exposed RTS games of the decade.
Yeah... there's a reason for that. It ain't good.

[Anonymous No.649917]

Warlords, and later Warlords Battlecry.

[Anonymous No.649918]

>>649908

>Aquatoid returns home to loving cloning vat and cloning vat operator

[Anonymous No.649924]

>>649905

>Outpost

You serious nigga?

>War wind.

Oh damn, that was a nice game. The campaign could be brutal at times though, and the Eaggra would always win a long game, but that was nice.

>Army men.

Oh man, good memories with that.

>Seven Kingdoms.
Way too reliant on espionage, but a solid game.

[Anonymous No.649929]

>>649914
good one m8
give me your reasoning besides your bullshit hipster anti-bandwagon.

[Anonymous No.649954]

>>649914
Maybe because it was so balanced and dynamic...Starcraft has done more for e-sports than any other game has ever done. We wouldn't have a developed community and markets for things like League or DOTA today if Starcraft didn't pave the way. You may not like it, and that's fine, but give respect where it is due.

[Anonymous No.649961]

>>649929
>hipster anti-bandwagon.

[Anonymous No.649963]

>>649954
>We wouldn't have a developed community and markets for things like League or DOTA today if Starcraft didn't pave the way.
You're making it worse you know.

[Anonymous No.649964]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned any Koei games yet. Koei was king of strategy.

[Anonymous No.649983]

>>649963
How exactly? It's a fact that Starcraft helped elevate gaming out of the bedrooms and basements and into more mainstream society. It turned attention to our hobby and changed it forever. Maybe not always for the best, sure, but if anyone is going to sit there and say Starcraft wasn't a monumental changing point in gaming, regardless of their personal opinion on it, is just being wholly ignorant of the facts. I'm not a huge fan of the original Super Mario Brothers, I don't think it was some kind of holy grail in gaming in terms of quality, but I would never sit here and espouse that it's a bad game or that it didn't fundamentally alter the hobby of video games as a whole.

[Anonymous No.649993]

>>649738
Warcraft II

[Anonymous No.649995]

>>649963
Just seems that you're in denial more than anything.

[Anonymous No.650007]

>>649884
It's the most obvious choice in this category.

[Anonymous No.650012]

>>649983

Grognards like him think that gaming should have stayed in his mother's basement and other basements like his.

[Anonymous No.650025]

>>649963
you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.650067]

>>649983
>but if anyone is going to sit there and say Starcraft wasn't a monumental changing point in gaming,
No one disagreed with that. It's just not a good game.
No one can really deny that it's done it's part in damaging gaming and funding a terrible company.

>I'm not a huge fan of the original Super Mario Brothers, I don't think it was some kind of holy grail in gaming in terms of quality, but I would never sit here and espouse that it's a bad game or that it didn't fundamentally alter the hobby of video games as a whole.
You're getting really close to implying some retarded shit you don't want to be implying.
Think out your arguments before you whip out your dick.

[GT3000 !Q5taavazbM No.650069]

>Crtl + F
>Tiberian Sun
>Lords of Magic
>Shadow of the Horned Rat
>Galactic Battlegrounds
>Stronghold

Step your game up, niggas.

[Anonymous No.650070]

>>650012
using grognard wrong.
play more 40k tabletop.

Anyways Starcraft was pretty much the first PC (read: Personal Computer) Game that got branding deals with doritos and shit in korea. Also Starcraft was the first of the blizzard games that would take waay too long to develop.

[Anonymous No.650075]

>>650069
stronghold, that's one I forgot!

[Anonymous No.650090]

>>650067
>think out your argument before you whip out your dick
>no actual argument, only claims and redirect outside his belief that it's irreparably damaged gaming and funded an "evil" company

[GT3000 !Q5taavazbM No.650113]

>>650075

You're the only nigga who's talking about quality strategy titles.

May your path be free of agitating skeletons.

7th Legion
Dune (2000 & 2)
War Diary
Romance of the 3 Kingdoms
Command H.Q.

Are a few other oldies but goodies.

[Anonymous No.650125]

Some favorites:
WarCraft: Orcs & Humans
WarCraft II
StarCraft
Castles II
Age of Empires II
Command & Conquer
Red Alert
Populous: The Beginning

Honorable mentions:
KKnD
Dark Reign
Total Annihilation

Cossacks, Stronghold: Crusader, and Red Alert II are only borderline retro by board standards but all fantastic games.

Z (I recommend checking out the Zod Engine for multiplayer)

North and South and Herzog Zwei for the console fags.

Dune II is pretty good from a historical perspective, but in terms of gameplay it's pretty outdated (Dune Dynasty does a good job keeping the spirit of original game while making it much less of a chore to play).
>>649802
Mah nigga.

[Anonymous No.650142]

>>650125
Fug :DDD, meant to put Z in the top category,

[Anonymous No.650143]

>>650067
>No one can really deny that it's done it's part in damaging and funding a terrible company.
i'll straight up disagree with you on that one bro. starcraft revolutionized the RTS genre and custom game types thereof.

give me some specific examples of how it damaged gaming. blizzard being a terrible company is an opinion so i won't debate that because i'm not their PR department

[Anonymous No.650154]

Close Combat, Age of Empires, and C&C series are always the first three that come to mind for me.

>>649905
I liked Deadlock a lot but I remember it always crashing on me. Cyth were my favorite because they hardly ever riot.

[Anonymous No.650156]

>>650067
>done it's part in damaging gaming and funding a terrible company.

What bad people do with a thing once they get their hands on it is not the fault of the thing itself, or of its original creators. It's like blaming a doctor when one of his patients ignores warnings or willfully OD's on his prescription meds and plows his car into a bunch of schoolchildren he thought were space aliens.

Activision might have made something bad out of Blizzard, and Starcraft 2 might be ushering in the stagnation and decay of the RTS genre as CoD is doing with FPS. But none of that is Brood War's fault. It did what it set out to do, and it was good.

[Anonymous No.650172]

>>650156
The fuck? How can you compare SC2 with CoD?

They're nothing alike, in any way, shape, nor form. There aren't even a million Starcraft 2 copies like there are CoD copies, I seriously don't get what you're talking about there.

[Anonymous No.650176]

Settlers II, III, IV

[Anonymous No.650206]

>>650172
he was using it as a simile.

unfortunately, there are no exact similes. He was comparing the lack of innovation with RTS brought from SC2, and the stagnation of the FPS genre that it has been experiencing since CoD

[Anonymous No.650240]

>>650206
There hasn't been any innovation in RTS since SC:BW, seriously, what other relevant RTS was there besides SC:BW and WC3 before SC2 came along?

You could argue WC3 was pretty innovative, except no RTS to date has successfully fleshed out WC3s style of gameplay, so besides WC3 itself it didn't change much.

[Anonymous No.650276]

>>650240
Age of mythology had a bit of innovation, axes and allies had the tabletop and single battle/campaign mode, Empire Earth had a simply massive Epoch system that was the closest thing to an grand strategy without actually getting a grand strategy.

besides tidbits there hasn't been a lot for the RTS genre in the last 10 years, the market was oversaturated w/ it in the 90's and devs were moving to the more console-accessible genres, because that's where the money was.

[Anonymous No.650301]

>>650240
Company of Heroes and Rise of Nations had their own twist on the genre. They weren't nearly as huge as sc or wc3 but I wouldn't say they weren't relevant as they were both well liked and had a pretty decent player base at one point.

[Anonymous No.650318]

>>650301
I don't know anything about Rise of Nations but you just reminded me of Company of Heroes and yeah, you're right actually. My bad.

[Anonymous No.652805]

Metal Fatigue!

[Anonymous No.652846]

Did anyone else play this? It's stronghold by SSI and is a great strategy game that has you build multiple towns of various D&D classes and races to fight against the forces of evil. Something I really like about it is that every unit has its own exp level, so you can get extremely powerful mages and the like if you manage to keep them alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSQ9I2xAD2g
I'm saddened that whenever Stronghold is mentioned it's always that newer one.

[Anonymous No.653007]

StarWars Galactic Battlegrounds (AoE II mod)
Warlords Battlecry

[Anonymous No.653197]

Disciples 2. Deadlock Planetary Conquest (a fun little game). Etherlords 1. Star Trek BotF. Mechcommander. (Metal Fatigue). Space Rangers definitely.

[Anonymous No.655042]

I post it because it's kinda related.
do we count S-RPGs?

[Anonymous No.655050]

>>650069
>Lords of Magic

I want to like it but it's terrible. I'll never figure out how to progress properly without getting fucked in the ass.

[Anonymous No.655053]

I could never into this genre, theres just way way way too many possible tactics and combinations of squads possible.

>having to make a fucking sheet graph of damage and armor values to determine what unit out dps's other units, then factoring in multiple numbers, then crossing it with every single other unit combination possible

How.

[Anonymous No.655060]

>>653197

I never really liked Disciples 2 as a strategy game. You tended to get this one uberstack that soon became the only thing that could creep around the map. It felt less like a strategy game to me, and more like a quasi-RPG.

Not saying I didn't enjoy it, but it was a bit too weird for my tastes in strategy.


I forget, when did EU2 come out? Does that classify as retro?

[Anonymous No.655061]

>>649738

[Anonymous No.655078]

>>655042

[Anonymous No.655192]

>>655078
I'm afraid I don't understand, good sir.

[Anonymous No.656812]

Warcraft 2 is my all time favorite. I really really like Tradewars.....i've wasted soooo much time in that game.

[Anonymous No.656908]

>>650240

Total Annhiliation changed RTS games, it used 3d maps and real time physics to project the bullets and missiles, it also had true line of sight, hell it still has more features than SCII

[Anonymous No.658250]

Original War, the game only Central Europeans played.

[Anonymous No.658271]

>Ctrl+F
>No Submarine Titans

[Anonymous No.658276]

>Ctrl+F
>No Submarine Titans

[Anonymous No.658291]

>>658250
It was fun and the whole monkey soldier thing was cool but maps and missions were pretty bland.

[Anonymous No.658407]

>>658276
>>658276
Oh MAAAN!

I played this game when I was a kid but I could never remember the name. Thank you so much!

[Anonymous No.658406]

Master of Orion, which I am playing right now and getting my ass handed to me as Alkaris on Hard mode.

[Anonymous No.658436]

My father is casual but he beated every mision on briliant in Pancer General 2 he played that game five hours every day until i gived him Age of Mitology

[Anonymous No.658440]

>>658407

No problem, friend.

[Anonymous No.658458]

>>650240
what the fuck, how did broodwar innovate at all?

it refined existing mechanics really well, but it really didn't introduce anything new.

[Anonymous No.658461]

>>658458
>>655555

>it really didn't introduce anything new.

true. but sometimes you just want a new game

[riotmaker No.658490]

KKND 1&2
C&C Red Alert plus expansions
AoE

[Anonymous No.658802]

You guys might be able to help me. Very vague description here.

It was an RTS, and I'm fairly certain it had 2 resources (yellow and blue?). You could have a lot of control over unit design, IIRC, with different chassis and weapon components, I think.

You could get air units, and I'm fairly certain they didn't actually fly around, the one I remember using sort of divebombed from off the map the target you specified.

Would have been pre-2000.

[Anonymous No.658826]

>>655053
You're overthinking

>>658458
Some people still think that being balanced is some kind of major innovation

[Anonymous No.658868]

>>655053

Just play the single player. You usually develop a bit of a feel for what's needed. Particularly as most of the time it's never very obfuscted. Long range guys, short range guys, healers, big smashy dudes, generic towers types 1 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.660026]

>>658276
It wasn't really good tho.

[Anonymous No.660727]

[Anonymous No.660730]

>>658802

Earth 2150? Or Warzone 2100,

[Anonymous No.660793]

Any other good FPS/RTS hybrids?

[Anonymous No.663657]

>>649763
Just played through the original TA campaign, Arm and Core, on hard. Was pretty solid.

Is it worth trying to track down the Core Contingency expansion? How does the campaign fare in length/variety compared to the original.

[Anonymous No.663698]

This shit right here OP, both KKND Xtreme and KKND 2 Krossfire are fun rts. I lean more towards Krossfire simply because of the third faction in it and the ability to make custom vehicles with their own little "perks" such as self repair and doing aoe explosions when destroyed, which not alot of rts do.

[Anonymous No.665062]

>>663657
Core Contingency is a MUCH better game than core TA. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.665074]

>>650240
>There hasn't been any innovation in RTS since SC:BW,
What the fuck? Shut up if you're an ignorant ass who hasn't even touched the rest of the genre. Off of the top of my head, there's at LEAST Warzone 2100, Earth 2150, Metal Fatigue, and the Kohan series, which were all fairly innovative.

[Anonymous No.665104]

>>665062
It's even better if you add TA Bugfix and a good AI.

[Anonymous No.665105]

>>665104
>tfw AI spams nothing but missile vehicles
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.666878]

Why is Dark Reign such a forgotten game?

It was a very good c&c like with good enemy ai and some advanced features like the unit ai ingame editor or true LOS, real stealth (morphing) and fun units.

Or was it really a bad game?

[Anonymous No.666910]

>>658802
Warzone 2100?

Its open source and free ware these days (and still getting patched)

http://wz2100.net/

[Anonymous No.666993]

Close Combat
MechCommander
Deadlock 1 and 2

I'd kill for these to be on GoG

[Anonymous No.670107]

>>660727
starcraft was already mentioned... a couple times... That's not starcraft.

[Anonymous No.670128]

>>666878
Dark reign was a fun game, atleast I thought so back in the late 90s

[Anonymous No.670143]

Lots of good recommendations here : X-Com, Master of Magic, Homm ... and some more obscure

I'll add Kohan, a RTS with squad based combat and zone of influence and M.A.X.

[Anonymous No.670153]

>>670143

>Tfw they will never make a sequel to Master of Magic that cleans up all the bugs, fixes the AI, and maybe rebalances some of the more worthless races (like the Gnolls and Orcs and Lizardmen)

[Anonymous No.670734]

>>670153
look up kyrub's patch. it should fix the bugs and improve AI

[Anonymous No.670778]

I kind of liked this one

[Anonymous No.671001]

>>665074
LOOK AT ALL THESE MECHANICS THEY CHANGED WITHIN THE GENRE TO BECOME STANDARD!!!!

... oh wait.

[Anonymous No.672224]

>>67100
I hope you are not implying that SC was responsible for many genre standarts...