/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6485519]

Does the golden statue make sense plotwise?

[Anonymous No.6485526]

does it have to?

[Anonymous No.6485537]

>>6485519
yes.

[Anonymous No.6485612]

The intro talks about the potential to learn about life-force energy through Metroids. Maybe this guardian lock is a practical application of that for Mother Brain.

[Anonymous No.6486039]

No, it’s basically the game’s only flaw

[Anonymous No.6486046]

>>6486039
>the game’s only flaw
that and the controls, the physics and the framerate yeah

[Anonymous No.6486174]

I'd build one if I was Ridley.

[Anonymous No.6486181]

>>6486039
Plot holes like this are the bane of cinema, but it's a long way until videogames are considered art.

[Anonymous No.6486293]

They are lifeforce-powered locks only disabled by the demise of their respective counterpart. You can see the "soul" of each boss depart from them. However, this happens only when you observe the statues, which raises the question if anything in Metroid truly dies if its death is not observed, if you can have multiple of these life force fragments and if you can raise someone from the dead with them.

[Anonymous No.6486321]

>>6486181
anyone with a brain already considers video games art, just not the cringey "fine art" way

[Anonymous No.6486557]

>>6486293
>can life-force lock unlock when unobserved
This happens in Zero Mission https://youtu.be/k7UVEhie8Rs?t=84

[Anonymous No.6486632]

>>6486293
the soul can't escape and the chemical change in the statue can't occur unless samus opens the door and lets more air in the room. that's why it doesn't happen until she is there to see it

[Anonymous No.6486695]

>>6485519
it doesn't make sense gamewise either

[Anonymous No.6486709]

>>6485519
Who cares. It looks cool and Kimura-san pixel'd his ass off for a week, so it's in the damn game.

[Anonymous No.6486712]

>>6486293
Ah, Schrodinger’s Zebesian

[Anonymous No.6486713]

>>6486712
nope, wrong again retard

[Anonymous No.6486759]

>>6486557
Tier 2 sets were the best by far.

[Anonymous No.6486765]

Metroid makes no sense plotwise.

There's a bunch of "pirates" who are clearly in reality a rogue state out to murder everybody with ludicrous weapons and some orphan who got gifted power armor is the only one doing anything about it.

[Anonymous No.6487051]

>>6486181
LMAO plotholes are not "the bane of cinema". They barely even exist in a way that negatively impacts movies in any serious way.

[Anonymous No.6487415]

>>6487051
OK Hollywood drone

[Anonymous No.6487417]

>>6486293
Why would they protect Mother Brain?

[Anonymous No.6487437]

Phantoon is not a space pirate but his statue protects Mother Brain.
Explain me that.

[Anonymous No.6487491]

>>6486039
and this goofy farting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aECNX-k-OV8

[Anonymous No.6487519]

>>6486709
This. It looks cool and mysterious and it's presence doesn't hurt the game badly. Not everything has to have perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.6487524]

>>6487437
Hey wait, you're right. What about draygon? isnt she just a monster living with her babies?

[Anonymous No.6487527]

>>6486557
>>6486293
>>6485519
It's a really, really bad defense mechanism.

"You've destroyed my general, my door will now open".

My headcanon is that it's like Metroid 2 remake, Samus Suit hacks the code to unlock these locks when she kills the bosses or something.

[Anonymous No.6487547]

>>6487437
>>6487524
Both are, supposedly, but the lore is a mess anyway
Reminder that according to original SM manual and script of shalt-not-be-named, Phantoon is the ghost of metroid 1 mother brain. This makes perfect sense of course :^)
Also reminder that Draygon's design was probably originally a literal dick

[Anonymous No.6487549]

- my masters, look what i made for you
- eugh
- garbage
- throw it in the sewers
- reeeeeee
- ...

[Anonymous No.6487556]

>>6485526
Remember when video games were video games and people just tacitly accepted certain things without trying to be a prick. I miss those times.

[Anonymous No.6487569]

>>6487556
There have always been autistic people around, we just didn't have to interact with them as much because they're bad at social interactions. Now that the internet is here they have free reign to ramble about the crazy bullshit in their heads all day. At least this one wasn't about how much she shits or if the Metroids try to rape her, might she enjoy it???

[Anonymous No.6487580]

>>6487527
Maybe if you had friends you could trust your life to you would know...

[Anonymous No.6487581]

>>6485612
damn...

[Anonymous No.6487876]

>>6485519
Ill never understand how some people look at things like this and automatically think "woah deeplore" and not "cool, a bit of the ui in the game world".

[Anonymous No.6488360]

>>6487569

free rein, it's a horse-related term

[Anonymous No.6488363]

>>6487876

You're defeating yourself at the start by assuming 4chan users are people. Some of them are more like plants or fungal colonies.

[Anonymous No.6488473]

>>6487527
>"You've destroyed my general, my door will now open".

The door locks don't just give up because you killed the generals. They are powered by their lifeforce, and they are spread out across the planet. It's a fucking good lock.

[Anonymous No.6488485]

>>6487556
>>6487569
I couldn't give a fuck about the canon explanation, if one even exists. Truth is they did it so that you would tackle the Tourian last. And they placed it somewhere you could access early so that you can get a sense of progression if you were to return there after getting the X-Ray Scope, or something. I would consider the point of these threads to speculate and enjoy what theories come from that, whereas you two are acting like we're goofy retards trying to force our ideas into canon.

tl;dr, Remember when video game discussion could be about speculation or head-canon without some prick crying about autism? I miss those times.

[Anonymous No.6488507]

>>6486181
>Plot holes like this are the bane of cinema
No, the general themes of a movie and what it can convey is more important than addressing every little itty bitty plot hole that someone cached because they watched the movie 5 times in a row. It's there's a major glaring plot whole it can be a problem but most people like to nit pick about very small minor details.

[Anonymous No.6488518]

>>6485519
The game does not explain why there's a golden statue of major bosses in the game or why it would be used a lock to an important area later in the game! *cinema sins ding!*

[Anonymous No.6488536]

>>6488507
Plot holes aren't even mere oversights that require the suspension of disbelief, they're direct contradictions. People misuse "plot hole" like they do "ironic," all the damn time.

[Anonymous No.6488805]

>>6488473
Why not just "lock" then?

[Anonymous No.6488807]

>>6487547
>Phantoon is the ghost of metroid 1 mother brain
strangely enough the design really matches, specially the eye.

[Anonymous No.6488815]

>>6487580
>>6488473
Again, I think it's something like, you need the bosses DNA or something about them to open the door, but you could only open it if the 4 of them were there to open.

So their body was the lock. So if they ever needed to see the Mother Brain, all of them needed to agree.

Samus just hack somethign about them and bypass the security protocol, like she did on Metorid 2.

That's my headcanon anyway.

[Anonymous No.6488817]

>>6487547
>script of shalt-not-be-named
which one?

[Anonymous No.6488871]

That room unsettled the shit out of me when i was a kid

[Anonymous No.6488960]

>>6488871
Probably because of the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIshU2oExmw

[Anonymous No.6488985]

>>6486293
It doesnt raise that question at all, unless youre autistic.

[Anonymous No.6489000]

>>6487437
>>6487547
I thought Phantoon was just a Metroid version of Castlevania's Death. Mother Brain enslaved it for a time, but it can't truly die and simply goes wherever massive amounts of death occurred, usually wrecked spaceships.

[Anonymous No.6489013]

>>6488960
The music but also i didn't understand the point of the room, i was expecting shit to happen but it never did.

[Anonymous No.6489023]

>>6486293
It just checks their lifeforce when someone comes near

[Anonymous No.6489038]

>>6486765
I can't remember if it was the Metroid 1 or Super Metroid guide book that explains the story but it actually makes sense. The galactic federation is in place like the U.N. keeping peace between different planets. Space pirates are a group of thugs kind of like the pirates out on the oceans that we have around poor countries. They rob ships and don't follow the law that everybody else does. Metroids are discovered and immediately realized for the threat that they are being able to drain life force from people and animals quickly. Space pirates have the technology to duplicate or clone living creatures and the Federation knows this and doesn't want them to get a hold of it.

Think of it like Somalia is now aware that a Nuclear bomb fell off of a cargo ship from China and it's floating in the ocean and washes up on some island a short distance from land. The U.N. now goes 'holy shit we can't let them get that' and contracts it's soldiers (Samus) to go take care of it.

[Anonymous No.6489123]

>>6488807
Well yeah that's the unnerving part, it's just so fucking dumb to have MB and her "ghost" alive at the same time
>>6488817
Postgame O:M, to be more specific it's not literally a ghost, it's a being created (drawn?) when a powerful psychic dies (translation is sloppy as usual)

[Anonymous No.6489128]

>>6485519
It's Mother Brain taunting Samus, her profession, and her humanity.

Mother Brain wants a confrontation, for revenge, hence why she doesn't make Tourian completely inaccessible. She could lead Samus straight into Tourian and kill her herself, but she wants to off Samus with something more poetic; the baby Metroid.

So she creates the statue lock, designing it to slow Samus down, rather than stop her entirely. This gives Mother Brain time to grow the baby Metroid to it's full potential.

I think revenge for Mother Brain is about more than just killing Samus - it's proving to her that's she's the superior life form, the superior living thing.

So she makes the lock into a gold statue, as a way of taunting Samus - implying she will always at heart be a bounty hunter, casting doubt on her motivation for returning to Zebes. Was she really worried about the baby Metroid, or was she actually only chasing the inevitable reward for killing Ridley and the other leaders?

Mother Brain has nurtured the baby Metroid to what she believes is it's full potential, while Samus abandoned it to live for herself, chasing bounties.

Mother Brain is trying to seriously unsettle Samus, implying that she’s cast aside her ‘natural role’ as a mother to chase the false god of money (the gold statue) by ‘becoming death’, while Mother Brain has successfully become MORE human - nurturing the baby Metroid, and creating life (albeit more Metroids).

She will calculate that the statue and it's symbolism will cause Samus to doubt her own humanity just before the surprise encounter with the baby Metroid - not to give it an edge, but to make Samus’ death in it's maw all the more miserable.

Of course, Mother Brain didn't consider that Samus and the baby Metroid might have bonded on a deeper level than just care-giver-and-receiver.

Obviously, the above is total wank. But that's really the point of details like the statue, the wrecked ship, the dead human in Kraid’s lair.

[Anonymous No.6490902]

>>6486046
>framerate
what? Super Metroid was 60fps

[Anonymous No.6490916]

>>6490902
the fps dips quite often though

[Anonymous No.6490917]

>>6490916
list 5 cases

[Anonymous No.6490928]

>>6490917
whenever you use a power bomb for instance also it is ver noticeable on that bird statue boss before ridley

[Anonymous No.6490931]

>>6490928
that's just slowdown though, the game still runs at 60fps at all times

[Anonymous No.6490942]

>>6490931
>yeah the game runs at 60fps at all times except when it isnt

mong

[Anonymous No.6491618]

>>6488805
Because soul powered lock > plain lock

[Anonymous No.6491620]

>>6489128
This make sense.

It's an alive vicious being, after all.

And the mother/father/parenting motiff... it's something that's being explored since Metorid II.

It completely makes sense. This is my headcanon now.

>>6489123
This could be a new Mother Brain, one designed by the Space Pirates.

[Anonymous No.6491636]

>>6490931
Holy shit... Everyone get in here, classic nincel cope

[Anonymous No.6491641]

>>6486046
The physics and controls are perfection though. SM has "floaty" controls like Metroid 1 and 2. Only GBA babies that started with Fusion or ZM hate SM controls.

[Anonymous No.6491657]

>>6487437
He is though. The canon story of Phantoon is that he is a multidimensional creature that once served the Chozo, but Mother Brain came along and by allowing him to feed off of her energy he became her servant.

[Anonymous No.6491695]

>>6488805
Samus has broken through every single conventional lock type they've come up with. The statue lock nonsense was an extreme measure to keep her out long enough to finish their research on the Metroid. They knew she'd break it like all the others, but at least they knew this kind of lock would take her a while.

[Anonymous No.6491730]

>>6490928
I wonder why they left this shit in the game. You can remove most of the power bomb lag just by changing a few bytes of the super metroid rom in a hex editor.

0410DB - 00 30 80 00 to 00 00 00 01
and
040DE5 - 00 00 30 00 to 00 00 00 01

Almost no slowdown.

[Anonymous No.6491893]

>>6491730
Probably a quick fix for the power bomb crashing the game somewhere.

[Anonymous No.6492957]

>>6485519
It's a story about a woman in a super powered suit made by wrinkly old magic bird men fighting a geiger penis space dragon and a brain in a jar anon.

[Anonymous No.6493801]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbRUQCvZbxU

[Anonymous No.6494550]

>>6489128

[Anonymous No.6494960]

makes perfect sense.
each boss's pulse is wirelessly monitored
computer program checks pulse
machine removes ground bricks when 4/4 pulses are not found

[Anonymous No.6494979]

you were supposed to die to the mother brain's trap, remember?

[Anonymous No.6495185]

>>6490902
Pal version running at 50fps feels nicer. Still dips on power bomb and golden pirates and lava rising situations though. They feel natural so I have no issue.

[Anonymous No.6495621]

>>6485612
fuck me lmao I haven't laughed this much in months

[Anonymous No.6496770]

>>6485612
>Dorothy before Rose

[Anonymous No.6496894]

>>6487415
>He thinks I primarily watch Hollywood movies

People on these boards have incredible blind spots. You are the equivalent of someone who thinks 1st party Nintendo games are the only retro games people play.

[Anonymous No.6498401]

>>6489128
Maybe they just hoped Samus would see the statue and take that instead. It's probably worth more than whatever the bounties on the space pirates are worth, and a new army of metroids is probably good for samus' business anyway.

[Anonymous No.6498410]

>>6485519
The gates in Hyper Metroid make way more sense. Even after all the bosses have been beaten, Tourian is still pretty much unaccessible until you find and open all the gates blocking the entry.