/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6483556]

>everytime Deus Ex is mentioned, someone (re-)installs it on their computer.

[Anonymous No.6483558]

Not me.

[Anonymous No.6483575]

>>6483556
I haven't uninstalled it (nor played it)

[Anonymous No.6483670]

Every time not retro is mentioned, someone defends it.

[Anonymous No.6483692]

>>6483670
retropilled

[Anonymous No.6483770]

brb installing

[Anonymous No.6483787]

>>6483556

[Anonymous No.6483873]

Oh yeah yeah

[Anonymous No.6485321]

>>6483556
>be me
>only computer is chromebook
>cant play deus ex or even install steam
>everyone else is having fun while im stuck with google botnet

only reason I have not killed myself is my original model ps3 and vita

[Anonymous No.6485404]

>>6483556
those days are gone, m8.

[Anonymous No.6485408]

Not retro, sorry

[Anonymous No.6485814]

>>6485404
Mostly because we learned to never uninstall it.

[Anonymous No.6485817]

>>6483556
Fuck, I have to uninstall it to reinstall

[Anonymous No.6485819]

I'm kinda sick of the dude but Elon Musk making his Twitter Pic JC was peak 2020 for me. I lold

[Anonymous No.6485823]

>>6485321
Just get a PS4 or a Xbone or a cheap laptop. Shits not that expensive anymore.

[Anonymous No.6485828]

>>6485819

[Anonymous No.6485969]

>>6483556
Here's what happened last time I saw a Deus Ex thread:
>installed it
>"neat, it works on Linux"
>didn't go past the main menu
>it's still installed
Maybe I should play it now.

[Anonymous No.6485982]

>>6485828
I literally cannot fathom how one of the worlds top 30 most powerful guys on the planet acts like an anime loving total gaming meme machine in his early 20's. I love it.

[Anonymous No.6485986]

>>6485982
This dude sends people to space, makes flamethrowers and owns an electric car company. I mean he's like something out of some meme anime. He's basically what every geek ever wanted to be.

[Anonymous No.6486020]

>>6485321
Deus Ex has a PS2 version
Also, install Linux+Wine

[Anonymous No.6486126]

>>6483556
I still need to patch my installation. Is Kentie's fixes still applicable, or are what's listed on https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Deus_Ex better? Also, opinions on GMDX? I've beaten the game before.

[Anonymous No.6486180]

>>6485982
wait, it's real?

[Anonymous No.6486183]

>>6485321
Bruh I made that shit work on a macbook pro

[Anonymous No.6486484]

>>6485982
a touch of autism

[Anonymous No.6486491]

>>6485982
Back in old times you had to be a mustache twirling financial genius or own lots of land to get loaded, and nowadays some nerd who programmed a thing can become a billionaire. I don't know the current hot Elon Musk news, but I like how he's so rich that he can just say whatever he wants. Not that he even has anything edgy controversial things to say, but he's so rich he doesn't even have to worry about getting canceled over saying a joke. I'd say Elon reminds me more of Tracer Tong because of his technology stuff.

[Anonymous No.6486496]

>Deus Ex is almost two-fucking-decades old game

Where does the time go? I've been playing this game for over 10 years and it's still in my top favorites. I hope they're going to do a rerelease on modern consoles to celebrate it, maybe it could get new audience now that JC is also a relevant meme again. It could happen, many old PC games seem to be getting console rereleases these days, even Baldur's Gate.

[Anonymous No.6486510]

>>6483556
Installing right now

[Anonymous No.6486548]

>>6486491
>Not that he even has anything edgy controversial things to say
You would think that, but (((some people))) jump at shadows.

[Anonymous No.6486596]

>>6486548
I've never understood people who openly hate the rich, big corporations, and politicians, but go all squirmy when someone says the same thing from outside their approved circle. I don't know the context of that tweet, but everyone should know by now that the biggest mainstream media companies are owned by a handful of people who quite literally control what the public sees. If people see pointing that out as some kind of dog whistle, then they have already been brainwashed and are just mindlessly protecting the "puppet masters".

That's also part of the Deus Ex worldbuilding. Just one big loop feeding itself. Page Industries paying money for lobbyists, lobbyists influence politics, politicians make the laws that benefit Bob Page. One of the many reasons why Deus Ex is so great. The templar hideout had lots of cool books and databanks for lore like that. I wish Jacob's Shadow was a real book, I'm a sucker for political thrillers.

[Anonymous No.6486610]

>>6486548
Was he really implying it was (((them)))?

[Anonymous No.6486615]

>>6485404

There's been like 40 Deus Ex threads on /v/ last week. It's spread to /vr/ now.

[Anonymous No.6486619]

>>6485828

Replace Walton Simons with Bob Page.

[Anonymous No.6486621]

>>6486596
I get what you're saying but a lot of times the conversation goes from "Most media is controlled by a handful of corporations" to straight-up quoting the elders of Zion with nothing in between. All that David Icke stuff about "reptillians" is just about jews, for example

[Anonymous No.6486647]

Sorry, but gameplay-wise the replayability just isn't there. The plot is fantastic, but the game just isn't very fun.

[Anonymous No.6486652]

>>6486647
>Sorry, but gameplay-wise the replayability just isn't there. The plot is fantastic, but the game just isn't very fun.

[Anonymous No.6486827]

>>6483556

When due process fails us we truly do live in a world of terror.

[Anonymous No.6486834]

>>6483670
>>6485408
It is natively playable on a pre-2000 platform, thus it is retro according to the sticky.

[Anonymous No.6486837]

>>6486647
You have to be 18 or older to post here

[Anonymous No.6487089]

>>6486647
I've been playing FPSes since the 90's and this game's devotees just refuse to admit the amount of jank it has, especially if you try to play it like an FPS instead of an RPG with stealth FPS elements

[Anonymous No.6487186]

>>6486647
>Gameplay-wise
What about the different strategies and different dialogues that you can explore in the game. Did you think about that zoomer

[Anonymous No.6487280]

>>6486652
>>6486837
>>6487089
>>6487186
>taking bait this obvious

[Anonymous No.6487292]

>>6487089
Playing it too much like an FPS is out the question anyway. Denton's aim is just too shitty before you upgrade his augs. And that's probably my biggest pet peeve about the game. Without his upgrades, he has the aim of a granny who's being shown how to shoot for the first time. I know they couldn't make it too good from the start, so you'd be incentivized to get upgrades, but they just overdid it.

[Anonymous No.6487325]

>>6487292
This is not a FPS game. You can't expect a stealth game to be like a FPS because it ruins the stealth making too easy to get enemies

[Anonymous No.6487329]

>>6487325
I can expect some sorta consistency or realism. Denton should not have the sort of shitty aim before upgrades and that just fucks with my immersion. There are other ways you can force the player to play less like in a classical FPS if you really have to. Also, I thought the game was famous for offering the player various equally viable tactical approaches, so which is it?

[Anonymous No.6487345]

>>6487329
My favorite approach is to tease the enemy from behind. But some prefer to take a secret shortcut to avoid confrontations. The shitty aim is so people don't go straight on the easiest choice

[Anonymous No.6487348]

>>6487345
*tase

[Anonymous No.6487353]

>>6485321
As pointed out, install Linux on your Chromebook my dude

[Anonymous No.6487381]

>>6487345
>The shitty aim is so people don't go straight on the easiest choice

And like I said, that's not a good excuse. The different tactical approaches should stand on their own without making one less viable than the other. Or if they really wanna make shooting less viable, there are options more realistic than giving a protag shitty aim when he realistically should be at least a decent shot even without augs.

[Anonymous No.6487397]

>>6487381
It is a realistic shooter at least. Because in real life it takes time to aim a target from a distance. So you can't just run shooting multiple targets like in Unreal Tournament

[Anonymous No.6487439]

>>6487397
>Because in real life it takes time to aim a target from a distance.

The amount of time he takes to aim at stuff while standing before upgrades just isn't realistic. Assuming he has any sort of training, that is, which is a safe fucking assumption. Sorry your favorite game isn't realistic in this regard. I love Deus Ex too, but I try not to wear my nostalgia goggles too tight. Just stop arguing, you know you're reaching.

[Anonymous No.6487456]

>>6487397
>>6487439
>Because in real life it takes time to aim a target from a distance.

Let me extend an olive branch here and admit that that is at least fairly realistic. It's the slow aiming when stopped without upgrades that is unrealistic if we assume that the guy is actually a somewhat trained shooter.

[Anonymous No.6487464]

>>6485828
i want to belive , anon.

[Anonymous No.6487465]

>>6485321
???
i don't know how fucked chromebook is, but Deus Ex runs on a Pentium II if you don't install riced mods. adn can't you install loonix on it?

[Anonymous No.6487468]

>>6487439
A true realistic shooter shouldn't even have a crosshair located at the middle of the screen making bullets hit the same spot like a machine every time you shoot. But that's what games do and at least they added a time for that to happen and upgrades to make the game half realistic and even less fun in your case

[Anonymous No.6487481]

>>6487468
You have to be trolling at this point, right? Someone who knows how to shoot shouldn't take the amount of time Denton does to aim when standing still, or need augmentations to improve on that. That should be taken care of by basic training.

I'm not saying he should be perfectly accurate or anything. Just maybe have his default level be like the first level upgrade for it to be realistic.

The crosshair part is not a valid contention either. I know it's superficially not realistic to have a visual cue like that, but there is something called kinesthesia that is impossible to model in games. In real life, even if you're aiming from the hip, you have a general - and far better than in a game, crosshair or not - idea of where your barrel is pointing. A crosshair is not a bad approximation of that.

[Anonymous No.6487505]

>>6487481
Just go play fucking DOOM or whatever nobody gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.6487507]

>>6487329
Isn't it already realistic that despite him having a shitty aim the guns still do the same damage? Just like in real life. I hate it when games treat like bullets and missiles don't work unless you're leveled up to a navy seal.

[Anonymous No.6487509]

>>6487507
There is nothing that frustrates me more than the videogame concept of a level 9 bullet not punching through a level 35 skull.

[Anonymous No.6487535]

>>6487481
>That should be taken care of by basic training.
There's no basic training for the player. What makes the game more realistic is the fact that the player can learn with the character as he goes. It is better this way. Having an experienced character from the start would be like cheating. This is not a FPS "sports" online game. It's an RPG so you have to progress and improve as you go

[Anonymous No.6487539]

>>6487505
Play Deus Ex 2.

[Anonymous No.6487543]

>>6487535
>There's no basic training for the player.
>What makes the game more realistic is the fact that the player can learn with the character as he goes.
>Having an experienced character from the start would be like cheating.

Jesus fucking Christ. This is like nostalgia-induced brain damage or some shit.

[Anonymous No.6487553]

>>6487543
And your argument is?

[Anonymous No.6487591]

>>6487553
Pic related, but here goes anyway.

>Having an experienced character from the start would be like cheating.

If having a character with ANY sort of experience is cheating then you should start as a civilian or peasant. If you use a weapon, it should be like your character is shooting or swinging for the literal first time in his life, because "[t]here's no basic training for the player".

Why stop there? Why isn't it cheating if the character already knows how to walk or speak when you start playing?

It's obvious from the setting that Denton wasn't some rube they picked off the street and prepped for nano-augmentation and deployed him without further preparation. He obviously had some sort of training that should have resulted in him knowing how to use a weapon better than he does.

Do you have any idea how fucking ridiculous that is? I've never read anyone argue starting as a level 1 fighter or wizard, as opposed to a level 0 peasant, is cheating in an RPG.

[Anonymous No.6487614]

>>6486491
He's amazing in my opinion and we'll never see a guy like him again.

[Anonymous No.6487635]

>>6487591
It's not like Denton is a peasant. This is you talking through your ass. The basic training he had shouldn't give him necessary abilities to start the game in a way that no upgrade would be required. This is the same for other abilities not just shooting.

Did you ever played RPGs? The idea is to gain points as you progress getting more abilities and improving your skill. Every RPG starts their character like shit, sometimes without weapons or magic, till you get the hang of it. But you also get easier enemies at first so it's not a problem. If you don't have the patience for this I recommend you to play Doom or Quake, and even on those games you might get shit weapons at first but not as bad as Deus Ex because these games are not RPG

[Anonymous No.6487647]

>>6487635
Not the guy but it is kinda lame just how incompetent you start out.

[Anonymous No.6487648]

>>6487635
If you start as a wizard in an RPG, you already know some spells. If you start as a fighter, you are already PROFICIENT in some or most weapons. Denton is sort of like a wizard when it comes to using weapons, but without the magic and other shit one gets in return, until he's heavily augmented.

Also, don't tell me what games to play and not play. When the game starts Denton aims like he's handicapped and there is no realistic, nor even a compelling gameplay reason, to justify that. You will realise the same once you take those nostalgia goggles off.

Feel free to get in one more rant and have the last word, as I won't be replying to you any more.

[Anonymous No.6487716]

>>6486496
>original Deus Ex
>re-release

Pfhaha, not a chance. The game is poison to the modern political climate - anti-globalist, anti-EU, anti-rockefeller/rothschild banking empire.

It's a redpill factory that no publisher would want to draw attention to right now.

[Anonymous No.6487791]

>Waah Deus Ex isn't a dumb easy FPS
Shooter players are knuckle-dragging subhumans who won't admit that playing build engine games and quoting cringey Civvie 11 videos doesn't make them any smarter than their COD counterparts.

[Anonymous No.6487801]

I've tried so many times to kill the NSF leader in the state of liberty with the two gun from the peir and I just can't get it.
Anybody know the trick?

[Anonymous No.6487803]

>>6487801
>Two gun
I meant the fucking gepgun.

[Anonymous No.6487814]

>>6487648
You wanna aim good? Level up your weapon abilities retard.

[Anonymous No.6487815]

>>6483556
This whole fucking thread was a wash when the first response wasn't "do you have a single fact to back that up?"

[Anonymous No.6487818]

>>6483556
>uninstalling it at all

[Anonymous No.6487849]

>>6487464
Google it, a bunch of websites reported on it with articles like "Explaining the meaning of Elon Musk's video game Twitter profile pic". He definitely changed it to that for a bit, that post that is capped at the bottom about Walter Simons is someone's reply that got a shitton of likes

[Anonymous No.6487884]

Im not gonna stand here and let you badmouth my dick

[Anonymous No.6487893]

>>6487647
when you stop to aim the first shot is perfectly accurate and only the one's after have deviation

90% of games are like this

[Anonymous No.6488116]

>>6487481
>Someone who knows how to shoot shouldn't take the amount of time Denton does

Well, does he? The skill level is very literal. If he is "trained" that means he isn't very good. He picked up a gun and fired it a bit at a range for maybe a day or two. If you invest until Master then you got pinpoint accuracy.

>That should be taken care of by basic training.

In universe, the "basic training" is what you choose on the intro screen. JC could choose to be an explosives and hacking expert, or a fire arms expert, or whatever. His job is infiltration and suppression through any means. You choose how. You can pour all your skillpoints into Advanced pistol or rifles if you want to, but you'll be lacking in everything else.

[Anonymous No.6488146]

>>6488116
>He picked up a gun and fired it a bit at a range for maybe a day or two.

That's only being "trained" by a deliberately loose interpretation of the word. You have to show more aptitude than he has without augmentations if you wanna get a CCW license. And this guy is a fucking cop, so if anything he should reasonably be expected to know more as part of his job.

[Anonymous No.6488329]

>>6488146

He's an expert at whatever you want him to be. So whatever you pick on the intro screen to put your starting skills in is exactly what JC was doing during his academy days. You can roll a JC who's an advanced marksman from the get-go but you're going to be less skilled in everything else. That's a sacrifice. Alternatively you can make a JC who is an expert at hacking and picking locks and swimming, but not anything else. Is that realistic? No way. That's pure Role Playing Game logic. And Deus Ex at its core is an RPG.

You can in DnD and other table top games roll a thief who is god awful at combat, but he's an expert at infiltration. He can pick locks, he can scale walls, he can disarm traps, he can sweet talk his way out of getting caught.

I think the problem is you're thinking of Deus Ex as a shooter when it's really an RPG that just happens to be in first person with guns. It's not a shooter with some dialogue trees and skills, it's an RPG in first person. If the game was in Ye Old Fantasy setting it might be more clear, since we associate the RPG genre with fantasy rather than futuristic sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.6488346]

>>6487716
>game where you kill cops
yeah, sure

[Anonymous No.6488472]

>>6488329
If we're gonna compare this to D&D then non-marksman kit Denton with a pistol is like a wizard using a weapon he's not proficient in. And that shit just shouldn't be acceptable for a cop regardless of what he specialized in.

I get what you're saying, but we seem to fundamentally disagree either on how shitty his basic shooting skills are, what the expected skillset of law enforcement straight out of training is, or both. We're wasting our time here.

[Anonymous No.6488483]

>>6488346
Don't you kill cops in GTA? That's a pretty mainstream and successful series.

[Anonymous No.6488484]

>>6487716
Not to mention the most recent Deus Ex game is about muh racism.

[Anonymous No.6488490]

>>6483556
I have never been the same since I played Deus Ex for the first time in summer 2000.

[Anonymous No.6489335]

>>6488484
Sony California was a mistake

[Anonymous No.6489342]

>>6488472
isn't pistol "trained" at the start regardless of build though, they did anticipate your complaint

[Anonymous No.6489437]

>>6488472

You're using hyper realistic thinking on a game that clearly operates on video game and rpg logic. JC doesn't have to be a wizard at all, a JC who can't shoot is a thief or something else. JC can be a support unit to heavy hitters like Anna or Gunther. In the Castle Clinton mission, you could be the sneaky thief who goes around through the back, and fires not a single shot while it's Anna who takes the front.

You don't have to fire a single bullet in the entire game to beat it. Talking, sneaking, explosives, and other means are all you need. I believe the game only forces you to kill Anna Navara and Gunther. And all the bosses are real damn weak to planted LAMs.

[Anonymous No.6489467]

zoomers ruined this game with their unfunny memes

[Anonymous No.6489553]

>>6489467

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

[Anonymous No.6489856]

>>6489342
The character sheet says "trained", the accuracy tells another story though.

>>6489437
>We're wasting our time here.

[Anonymous No.6490172]

>Deus Ex 1 had aliens, pigeons, cats, dogs, chicken(?), venomous reptile birds, chunky sewer mutant monsters, spider robots, etc.
>new Deus Ex games have none of those because no fun is allowed in modern games

What a shame. Remember when you first encountered greys in Deus Ex 1? I almost shat in my pants.

[Anonymous No.6490179]

>>6490172
Modern games are not about fun, but sociopolitical bullshit

[Anonymous No.6490202]

During the quarantine I decided to give another chance to Deus Ex Invisible War, and as disappointing it is as a sequel I still had fun playing it. It quite literally lacks everything that made DX1 so great, except for the story and the characters of course. IW had great characters and interesting factions. The Omar ending is so creepy and I love it, probably my favorite faction in all of Deus Ex universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8GmNRRw7aI

[Anonymous No.6490205]

>>6490202
I've been buying up hard copies of some classic PC stuff I only had digitally and somehow ended up with a copy of IW on the way before the original.
Might have to give it another go.

[Anonymous No.6490216]

>>6490205
Just remember to download the visible upgrade fan patch/mod to make it run better. You can change the chunky crosshair to something else, change Alex's clothes to something that doesn't make him look like a member of Backstreet Boys, and bunch of other cool features.

[Anonymous No.6490241]

>>6490216
I'll be sure to give it a look if I decide to play it on my main PC rather than a period machine currently lying in a pile of pieces in my garage.

[Anonymous No.6490308]

>>6490216
OK Zoomer

[Anonymous No.6490328]

>>6490308
>putting all skillpoints in hair

Backstreet's back ALRIGHT!

[Anonymous No.6490493]

>>6490202
>It quite literally lacks everything that made DX1 so great, except for the story and the characters of course.

But isn't that everything that made the original great?

[Anonymous No.6490503]

>>6490328
>revisionism is cool
>btw my taste is shit

[Anonymous No.6490505]

>>6490493
Yes, but I also mean the complex level design, inventory system, experience points, leveling up etc. Every city in DX:IW is a hallway separated by five loading screens.

[Anonymous No.6490508]

>>6485321
Deus Ex has a Ps2 port that's on PSN in Europe and Aus/NZ for the PS3 fyi

[Anonymous No.6490510]

>>6490503
What are you angry about? You march here shouting memes and acting like retard antagonist for no reason. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.6490535]

>>6490510
Stop projecting

[Anonymous No.6490540]

>>6490535
That's not how you use the word. You started this.