/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6482032]

It’s better than SCIV

[Anonymous No.6482037]

True. However SCIV has more SOUL

[Anonymous No.6482036]

I like how experimental it is. SC4 feels very been-there-done-that except now with weird looking mode 7 effects which make it look like some levels take place inside a roll of toilet paper. Also it's very easy.

[Anonymous No.6482040]

I like both, but I would say I prefer IV overall. Bloodlines is great but the level design can be a little heavy-handed with gimmicks.

[Anonymous No.6482046]

>>6482032
Well it's definitely harder than SCIV

[Anonymous No.6482064]

>>6482046
Inb4 that one autist who tries to force everyone to believe Super IV isn't the easiest Classicvania, and is probably secretly James Rolfe.

[Anonymous No.6482068]

>>6482040
Based
>>6482036
>>6482046
>>6482064
Cringe sega widows

[Anonymous No.6482160]

>>6482032
x68k>4>bloodlines>shit>dracula x>rondo of blood

[Anonymous No.6482185]

>>6482064
>easy BAD

[Anonymous No.6482196]

>>6482040
This, Bloodlines has great music (as always with the series), and a cool concept of traveling through Europe, but the level design is hit or miss.
It's usually very easy on the platforming, and has very little of it. The last level is pure gimmicks. People love to complain about the rotating room on IV, but Bloodlines is loaded with gimmick shit.
Not a big fan of the boss fights either.

[Anonymous No.6482198]

>>6482064
>and is probably secretly James Rolfe.
e-celebs living rent free inside of your mind.

[Anonymous No.6482203]

>>6482036
I mean, it is experimental with its setting but mechanically it is that plays the most like the classic games out of the 4th gen castlevanias

[Anonymous No.6482207]

>>6482185

[Anonymous No.6482212]

>>6482203
>but mechanically it is that plays the most like the classic games out of the 4th gen castlevanias
Not really.
Yes, you can't control your jump mid-air BUT you can still change your position mid-air (you can whip left or right), so there you have the first difference.
Then another major change, which was already in Rondo, is that you can jump on stairs.
The jump also has its share of weirdness, such as being able to clip through platforms and not needing to calculate the jump arc, most noticeable on the tower of pisa part with the Medusa heads. You don't need to make jump arcs, because you can just clip through the platforms and land on the upper ones by just jumping. Not sure if this was intentional or an oversight.

[Anonymous No.6482216]

>>6482185
>implying Bloodlines isn't easier than IV

[Anonymous No.6482217]

>>6482198
Back to making shitty videos with that fat jew, James.

[Anonymous No.6482223]

>>6482032

i was pleasantly surprised by this game, the only thing that bothers me is this boss. anyone else feel like its kinda out-of-place?

[Anonymous No.6482225]

>>6482212
> Not sure if this was intentional or an oversight.

It's intentional because Lecarde's high jump is a thing

[Anonymous No.6482227]

[Anonymous No.6482228]

>>6482223
Yeah, it's very silly. I don't hate the idea (even though it looks goofy), but what I hate about it the most is that the fight is very boring. The boss has a large amount of i-frames you have to sit through.
Generally, I was not a fan of the boss fights in this game. Too many mid-bosses that aren't even fun to fight, halting the pace of the game. Some of them look cool (like the weird 2-faces guy on Versailles, and the Moth, also on Versailles), but then the majority of them are boring knights and stuff like that, not memorable, and boring to fight.

[Anonymous No.6482229]

>>6482227
Prettay cool. I went through the whole game without even using the swinging whip outside of that one part in the tower of pisa.

[Anonymous No.6482230]

>>6482228
>The boss has a large amount of i-frames you have to sit through.

The only i-frame he has is during his intro when he shows up and wen he flashes at some point. It's really not that much.

The rest aren't i-frames, you have to aim though, depending on how high/low his heart ball is.

[Anonymous No.6482232]

[Anonymous No.6482234]

>>6482230
I remember having to wait when he starts doing a weird animation moving from left to right. The sound effects on this boss are also silly as hell. Don't hate it though, but it's weird and cartoony.
>>6482232
This boss has massive slowdowns even without using the special attack.

[Anonymous No.6482238]

>>6482234
>I remember having to wait when he starts doing a weird animation moving from left to right.

There are several animations like that, not sure which one you're referring to

If you're referring to the jump, that's only because his arms may be hit you during that animation, but it's not a i-frame, you can use subweapons for instance

If you're referring to how at some points he gets mad and rolls on the ground, hitting it during that animation is actually your safest way to dodge that if you're playing with Morris

The only boss with lot's of i-frames really is the flying one at Pisa, since he can't be hit when he's flying in front of the tower

[Anonymous No.6482292]

>>6482217
>implying AVGN is anything less than based

[Anonymous No.6482295]

>>6482232
blast processing

[Anonymous No.6482342]

[Anonymous No.6482370]

>>6482227
Is this Umihara Kawase?

[Anonymous No.6482446]

Bloodlines is one of my favourites CV, but just like X68K, it loses a point because the characters don't move faster when jumping.

[Anonymous No.6482536]

>>6482032
Fax, Bloodlines is better than SCIV. Anyone who has played both knows what's up. Most people who shit on Bloodlines has only held a Sega controller in their hands for Sonic games.

[Anonymous No.6482539]

>>6482536
Bland level design, boring quantity over quality boss fights, messy gimmicks.
It's still a good action game but not even among the best Castlevania.
Revenge of Shinobi is a much better action game on the system.

[Anonymous No.6482680]

>>6482539
Still better than CV4
>badly designed gimmicks
>boring enemy design and enemy placement that doesn't care if the player can trivialize most of it with basic moves
>spam X to win boss fights

Bloodlines isn't perfect but it's more balanced and more exciting to play than 4

[Anonymous No.6482703]

>>6482680
>Bloodlines isn't perfect but it's more balanced and more exciting to play than 4
I don't know if this is an australian bait, but both games are different. Bloodlines is a short and intense arcade game while SCIV is a slow-paced, amotspheric action adventure. Different tastes depending of your mood.
>>6482539
>Bland level design, boring quantity over quality boss fights, messy gimmicks.
It's still a good action game but not even among the best Castlevania.
Revenge of Shinobi is a much better action game on the system.
Agree. I was a Sega kid, but Bloodlines looks very bad for a 1994 game. Revenge of Shinobi looks miles better and it was released in 1989, and Gunstar Heroes and Shinobi III are from 1993.
Konami made good games on the Genesis but they never cared much about the art.

[Anonymous No.6482705]

>>6482207
This easy bad mindset is zoomer mentality. Real American gamers in the 80's and 90's didn't hate a game because it was easy.

[Anonymous No.6482803]

>>6482212
>BUT you can still change your position mid-air (you can whip left or right), so there you have the first difference.
Then another major change, which was already in Rondo, is that you can jump on stairs.
All of what you mentioned is also present in the other 4th gen castlevanias. As I said, overall even if its still naturally different than the original games, compared to the other 4th genvanias it is the one that introduces the least new mechanics, as Rondo/4 have all the new things of Bloodlines and a couple share of their own added mehanics. Therefore I can not agree with the comment of how "experimental" it is when it is the least experimental of the 4th gen Castlevania games, specially if you consider how it is structured, with 6 linear levels.

[Anonymous No.6482836]

I'm not fond of Bloodlines. I know it's the hipster choice now that Rondo and X68k are not cool anymore on /vr/, but I don't like the focus on set pieces and the visual tricks are distracting
I'd rate it above XX, but under the others 16bitvanias.

[Anonymous No.6482854]

>>6482292
Maybe 12 years ago. Now he's just a soulless husk of his former self.

[Anonymous No.6483009]

>>6482342

vectorman nooooo

[Anonymous No.6483017]

>>6482836
the visual gimmicks are better implemented into the gameplay than SCIV
>hang on to this and wait for this room to rotate
>look the room is spinning, but the bridge is falling, which is the only part that matters and looks terrible

[Anonymous No.6483043]

>>6483017
That's good to me, those parts are really simple so the mode 7 gimmicks don't distract you too much.
I find Bloodline tricks make the game more difficult than it should. Like the aerial platforms and the rotating tower boss fight look nauseating and I always lose lifes stupidly there.

[Anonymous No.6483075]

Based /vr/ btfoing Bloodline and Sega cucks.

[Anonymous No.6483106]

>>6483075
Keep seething over based SEGA, tranny.

[Anonymous No.6483112]

Mind-blowing visuals. Great, dynamic and catchy music. Hit detection and physics that are TOTAL ass.

>>6482705
Everyone dumps on SotN for being easy but people back then were perfectly happy to get a new CV game that didn't rape them in the face for a change.

[Anonymous No.6483118]

>>6483075
>>6483106
Both IV and Bloodlines are good games, but it's interesting to scrutiny them. Only IV gets the scrutiny, probably because of its popularity, but when it comes to mechanic changes and difficulty, there's a lot to be said about Bloodlines too.
>>6482680
>badly designed gimmicks
I found the gimmick parts of Bloodlines to be worse. The whole final level of BL is a gimmick (mundane, non-difficulty platforming with wacky screen tearing effects or inverted gravity). At least IV's last level is pure CV platforming-action
>boring enemy design and enemy placement that doesn't care if the player can trivialize most of it with basic moves
This is overblown, and there's many enemies in the game placed specifically to use the diagonal whip. Also, at least IV doesn't let you trivialize gameplay by jumping on stairs, or OP powerups that fill the whole screen.
>spam X to win boss fights
Can't think of a better example than this: >>6482232

>>6482803
>All of what you mentioned is also present in the other 4th gen castlevanias
Jumping on stairs started with Rondo of Blood

[Anonymous No.6483137]

>>6483118
>Can't think of a better example than this: >>6482232 (You)

Except in order to pull this off you need to
>acquire the ultimate upgrade
>not get hit so you get to keep it
>have enough gems to use it 5 times

And even then if you try the same thing with Morris, not only it doesn't work, but the boss will start spawning rocks with you being able to dodge them since the water is still there.

[Anonymous No.6483139]

>>6483137
>with you being able to dodge them

not*

[Anonymous No.6483140]

>>6483137
To be fair, that boss is extremely easy either way. Just jump and hit the core until it dies, I never needed to think of any strategy to beat it, and the slowdowns it has make the "blast processing" marketing ads cry

[Anonymous No.6483516]

>>6482032
It's too short and inconsistent in quality. It feels rushed compared to SCIV.

[Anonymous No.6483535]

>>6483516
SCB has its fair share of braindead bosses too, you know.

[Anonymous No.6483538]

>>6483535
>SCB
take your meds

[Anonymous No.6483549]

>>6483535
Haha, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6483604]

>>6483538
cope & dilate nintendildo

[Anonymous No.6484083]

>>6482342
What is that weapon crash? I played the game for the first time maybe a year ago but don't recall seeing that one.

[Anonymous No.6484117]

>>6482032
eh
they are both good
its just too bad rondo wasn't in english on the Duo. drac x isn't bad, but i like SC4 over DX

bloodlines feels more like how if SC4 wasn't a fucking year 1 title.

[Anonymous No.6484328]

>>6484083
The blue orb superweapon, when you have it your main weapon gets powered up as well (notice the blue flame). It goes away if you take any damage.

[Anonymous No.6484773]

>>6483516
You can make that boss even more braindead if you know what you're doing

but that's the whole thing, it's a puzzle boss

[Anonymous No.6484835]

>>6484773
>>6483516
Here

Also note that by default Lecarde's spear deals about 40% less dmg to Medusa so it's supposed to last that much longer; except that Medusa is weak to the axe, if you use it on the last hit it deals as much dmg as Morris would, as Medusa is weak to the axe

You could also just stand them and do jump+axe at the right timing, every time, without needing to move; but that uses too many gems for my liking

the crouching and shit when she shows her balls is just because I'm bored

[Anonymous No.6484851]

>>6483516
>It's too short

Takes just as long to go through as CV4 to go through it, 40-45 mins, and on top of it you get two characters and a hard mode/2nd loop that doesn't suck ass

[Anonymous No.6484859]

>>6484851
>that doesn't suck ass
I know this thread is meant to be a console war one and that we are supposed to pick a camp. I prefer IV, but also like Bloodlines. What's wrong with the 2nd loop of IV? It adds a bunch of more enemies in every level. Enemies from level 6 appear already on level 1 on the 2nd loop.
The shit 2nd loop was the one in Castlevania 1. I don't even remember if it added any actual significant number of extra enemies, and levels 5 and 6 are exactly the same as the first run.

[Anonymous No.6485836]

/vr/, should I play Simon's Quest (with a retranslation patch) or Castlevania III? I just finished the original Castlevania -- I've played a lot of the Igavanias, and a couple other Classicvanias.

[Anonymous No.6485873]

>>6485836
Play the based MSX title next, the best of the exploration-based Castlevanias.

Don't forget to play it with this hack which upgrades the music to use Konami's SCC:

https://www.file-hunter.com/MSX/index.php?id=vampirekillerscc

[Anonymous No.6485897]

>>6485873
Oh wow this game seems really cool, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6486298]

>>6485873
how to download this?

[Anonymous No.6486760]

>>6482037
Ur mom has soul

[Anonymous No.6487050]

>>6486298
seconded

how?

[Anonymous No.6487056]

>>6486298
>>6487050
here you go bros
https://anonymousfiles.io/spE9rkGa/

[Anonymous No.6487059]

Can't you enjoy both? Do you HAVE to like one and hate the other?

[Anonymous No.6487062]

>>6487056
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6487219]

One of them has better level design, music, enemy placement, and the whip feels a lot more satisfying. The other one is tasteless trash. That's why you're an autistic retard if you believe that any-4th-gen-CV is better than any-other-4th-gen-CV. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6487831]

>>6487056
tyvm

[Anonymous No.6487848]

what does Soul Calibur IV have to do with anything?