/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6477689]

Why didn't this series ever catch on in the west? These games are amazing!

[Anonymous No.6477814]

Cultures and Knights & Merchants are also great similar games.

[Anonymous No.6477821]

>>6477689
They're on my to play list. I think I took a stab at 2 or 3 (can't remember which), but I never got into it.

[Anonymous No.6477850]

>>6477821
I'd say try the 10th Anniversary version of 2. The quality of life additions make it much more enjoyable. 2's original messaging system is easy to miss because it doesn't make sound when something happens, it just increments a number at the bottom of the screen that's easy to miss.

[Anonymous No.6477851]

>>6477821
Settlers 2 is a good starting point. Great game and they made a pretty good remake in 2006 also.

[Anonymous No.6477861]

>>6477851
I wish Ubisoft would put a History version of this out on Uplay. Jumping through all kinds of hoops to get the Vikings addon (which actually adds nice tweaks) in English is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.6477913]

>>6477861
I wish someone would translate Aufbruch der Kulturen.

[Anonymous No.6477915]

>>6477913
Holy shit. Didn't even know this existed. Is it basically more Settlers 2 10th anniversary?

[Anonymous No.6477918]

>>6477915
Yup.

[Anonymous No.6477938]

>>6477689
I tried playing 2 and didnt get far for some reason. Gonna go for 3 soon

>>6477814
Cultures is based
K&M is...not

[Anonymous No.6477950]

>>6477689
It did catch on in the west. Why would they have made a whole series out of it? What are you talking about!?

[Anonymous No.6478176]

>>6477851
the intro was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.6478195]

>>6477689
What the fuck is with all those revisonist, bait threads that crop out recently?

[Anonymous No.6478257]

>>6477850
>>6477851
>>6477861
>>6477913
>There are people who play the 10th anniversary shitness
>And they consider it good

[Anonymous No.6478406]

>>6478257
What's wrong with it. Go on. Use your words.

[Anonymous No.6478412]

>>6477938
>K&M is...not
Why? It's hard but fun.

[Anonymous No.6478415]

Is K & M better than this weird fucking game that I bought because someone recommended it to me?

[Anonymous No.6478434]

>>6478415
Alien Nations is almost shovelware IMO, KaM is a much better game. There is even a small but dedicated multiplayer base. Make sure to get the KaM Remake mod though, it just makes it so much better for modern computers.

[Anonymous No.6478519]

>>6477850
>2's original messaging system is easy to miss because it doesn't make sound when something happens, it just increments a number at the bottom of the screen that's easy to miss.

It does a coo coo pigeon sound, but i guess that's easy to miss as ambient noise

[Anonymous No.6478582]

>>6478406
It's just "meh" in every possible regard. Looked bad on release and looks even worse today, tries to both be "true to original" and reinvent the wheel in the same time and generally, playing it makes me always think I coud be just playing S2.
Don't get me wrong, S2 has a whole lot of its own issues, but S:10th A is just subpar alternative to it.

[Anonymous No.6478586]

>>6478434
KaM is a terrible game for the simple fact that it's a great colony building game dedicated to the effort of producing soldiers... who are terrible at combat due to shit pathfinding, so your two-three hours of effort go in smokes in 20-30 seconds of uncoordinated combat. Would not recommend.

[Anonymous No.6478590]

>>6478415
Both are terrible in their own way

[Anonymous No.6478662]

>>6478590
Explain whats wrong with alien nations since everyone seems to praise it

[Anonymous No.6478716]

>>6478662
>alien nations since everyone seems to praise it
Different anon, but what?
Are you a visitor from an alternative reality or something?

[Anonymous No.6478936]

>>6478519
Booted it up again. You're right it's there, but man is it faint and easy to miss. It looks like the pigeon sound is just 0064.wav. I'll see if I can replace it with something louder like the one in 10th anniversary.

[Anonymous No.6478950]

>>6477689
What do you mean with "in the west"? This is a German series and it did very well in Europe.

[Anonymous No.6478962]

>>6477851
>>6477689

[Anonymous No.6479051]

>>6477850
>>6478936
Not that anon, but there is a very real possibility you are having issues with your hearing. That pidgeon sound is loud and clear, not to mention highly distinctive.

[Anonymous No.6479092]

>>6479051
Replaced 0064.wav with 060.wav. When you've got music on and other sound effects, the pigeon gets drowned out. Listen to the difference.

https://voca.ro/e4ZRXyjR5xO

[Anonymous No.6480473]

>>6478716
Could be

[Anonymous No.6480481]

>>6477689
It was a huge success "in the west", its homeland.

[Anonymous No.6480483]

>>6478415
this needs a brazzers logo

[Anonymous No.6480749]

>>6478257
>There are people who watched Avatar-weebness
>And they consider it good

[Anonymous No.6480795]

>>6477913
What's your excuse for not learning German?

[Anonymous No.6480810]

>>6478962
>settlers memes
neat

[Anonymous No.6480817]

>>6480795
I learned German for 4 years in high school. Unfortunately I pretty much forgot everything as soon as I stopped using it.

[Anonymous No.6480821]

>>6480817
Dann fangen sie wieder an es zu benutzen und sie werden sich wieder daran erinnern.

[Anonymous No.6480834]

>>6480821
Bruh, don't use "sie" on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6480858]

>>6477689
I only played the first one. But somehow my sister liked it more than I did and occupied the Amiga 1200 all the time. To this day I never owned a Windows PC though, so no sequels for me.

[Anonymous No.6480869]

>>6480858
>To this day I never owned a Windows PC though
What the fuck have you been using?
Either way there's Widelands which is a cross-platform Settlers 2 clone.

[Anonymous No.6480895]

>>6480858
>>6480869
Also serflings if you want Settlers 1.

https://www.simpleguide.net/sg/serflings.jsf

[Anonymous No.6480989]

>>6480869
Actually I used my Amiga 1200 way into the 2000s. After too years of saving money I finally went from my unaccelerated 14 MHz Amiga to a Mac Book Pro in 2008. But now after two MacBooks it's time to leave Apple behind too, since their hardware, software and treatment of customers has become shit (fuck Apple and fuck Microsoft too). Currently I'm in the planning stages for some Business laptop (I still haven't decided which one), but it certainly needs a removable battery and easy access to the other components too. Also once more no Windows (bad enough that I have to work with that garbage), but rather some Linux distro (again I still haven't decides which one).

[Anonymous No.6480998]

>>6480989
Get Fedora. Lenovo is starting to ship Thinkpads with it.

[Anonymous No.6481021]

>>6480998
>>6480989
This, thinkpads are the best and Linux is the best.

[Anonymous No.6481028]

>>6480998
>>6481021
Thanks. It's kinda hard finding one with all my requirements - again most important is easy access to the internals of the laptop (since this is maybe the worst of the many bad experiences I had with the recent Macs) - but the laptop also must've good linux support as well. I'll look into Fedora in that case.

[Anonymous No.6481075]

>>6480834
Höflichkeit muss sein.

[Anonymous No.6483069]

>>6477689
Settlers 3 and 4 soundtracks are some of the best music ever put in video games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdZ5bcmQyY

[Anonymous No.6483096]

>>6481075
Germans don't use "Sie" in everyday internet conversation

[Anonymous No.6483540]

I thought about getting S4 on GOG, but no German language support? Are you shitting me- is what I thought, but then I saw that a fanpatch exists. Kind of silly that GOG wouldn't include the game's original language.

[Anonymous No.6483648]

>>6483540
You could also get the collection on uplay. I think you can still use the coupon. Comes with all the content, even the exclusive German stuff.

[Anonymous No.6483668]

>>6483540
If it helps, consider the following
>CDP, the owners of GOG, build their entire business on localisations
>They oftentimes put on GOG games they've published themselves, using their own license
>But not include their very fucking own localisations
Never understood this logic.

>>6483648
The 25th anniversary edition also is English-only. Or they finally patched it out?
Man, they are promising to patch that edition since it hit stores and I'm still waiting for it...

[Anonymous No.6483674]

>>6483069
Shame it's only 3 pieces per "nation" and unless you want to hear music from the ones you aren't playing, you've got 3 music pieces looping for ages.
Not to mention 4's bug with music, which mutes it and doesn't play new pieces if you go into area covered with FOW, so you have to manually restart the playlist. Which STILL isn't fixed, not even in the 25th anni.

[Anonymous No.6483680]

>>6483668
https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/1955875-History-Collection-Starter-Guide-LANGUAGE-SAVEGAMES-etc

Seems like all the original languages are there.

[Anonymous No.6483714]

>>6477689
>the west
germany isn't western anymore?

[Anonymous No.6483718]

>>6483714
It's really all relative. Where does East definitively start?

[Anonymous No.6483721]

>>6483714
>>6483718

[Anonymous No.6483728]

>>6483721
If you're going say Asia is East, I'm sorry Europe but so are you.

[Anonymous No.6483874]

>>6483096
Germans don't use Sie in everyday conversations, period. Do you run around and adress everyone as "Dear Mister"?

[Anonymous No.6484610]

>>6483718
East and west are less geographical terms and more about culture and politics.
West are the countries aligned with the United States in the cold war, liberal democracies with market economy etc. They include nations like Australia, Japan or New Zealand that are among the most easternmost.
East on the other hand was the Communist Bloc and China.

[Anonymous No.6485392]

Looked online an apparently some rereleases of the German exclusive Rise of Cultures have the securom ripped out. Can any German anon point me in the right direction?

[Anonymous No.6487392]

>>6483674
the music in 4 is good, but it's really unfortunate how you listen to the same 4 tracks of your nation over and over unless you make a shuffling playlist like you said.
Settlers 2 had my favorite jams

[Anonymous No.6487694]

>>6478950
Germany is not a western nation

[Anonymous No.6487756]

>>6484610
>t. clueless retard

[Anonymous No.6487869]

>>6483718
>>6483721
No, Europe is the cultural center of the world. West vs east is about Europe and Asia, Greek and Persia. America and Australia are just extentions of Europes cultural sphere.

[Anonymous No.6488028]

>>6487869
>Europe is the cultural center of the world
Not anymore.

[Anonymous No.6488226]

>>6477689
>These games are amazing!
2 and 3, the others are garbage

[Anonymous No.6488294]

>>6477851
oh my fucking god look at those soulless graphics

[Anonymous No.6488306]

>>6483718
>It's really all relative
no it isn't, it's not rocket science

[Anonymous No.6488315]

>>6480749

That show actually was good. The problem is using reaction images for anything ever. You'd have to be an idiot to do that, and idiots should not post on forums.

[Anonymous No.6488317]

>>6488306
Why is Qazaqstan listed as Orthodox when it's 70% Islamic?

[Anonymous No.6488481]

>>6488226
4 is passable. I mean the campaign is utter trash, but the game by itself is fine.

[Anonymous No.6488510]

>>6480749
>>6488315
The show was ok, and you are both cock-suckers

>>6488317
Because the whole "Clash of Civilisations" by Huntington is one of the most retarded theories in modern sociology. The boundaries he set, along with "civilizations", are utterly arbitrary, too, and show barely a glancing knowledge about various regions of the world. Kazakstan being former USSR? Totally Orthodox! Japanese on the economic bubble rise? Totally separate sivilisation, utterly dislodged from Confucianism or Buddhism. Buddism being a thing? Let's lump three different flavours of it together (that's akin of throwing Jews, Catholics and Muslims together, because they are following Abrahamic religions)! And everything is strict and according to national borders... unless Africa, because who cares!
Generally speaking, that whole bullshit theory got discredited by academia within months after being published... but the super-simplified landscape it created was oh so catchy for Anglosaxon politicians that it entered political discourse for almost 15 years, fucking up diplomatic relations like you wouldn't believe.

[Anonymous No.6488514]

>>6488306
>2020
>Huntington
What next? You gonna post Fukuyama and his End of History?
Early 90s ended before you were even a conscious being.

[Anonymous No.6488531]

>>6483874
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6488534]

>>6488028
>Europe is the cultural center of the world
That's still correct. North America lost the last of its "culture" 20 years ago and is on the way to become Brazil 2.0

[Anonymous No.6488545]

>>6488317
Also, what this map is missing is so-called "lonely places". Huntington got 2: Ethiopia, which in his actual theory isn't African (and obviously isn't Islamic, he at least knew that much) and... Turkey. That's right. Since the whole theory was crafted in '93, Turkey was a (relatively) secular state that happend to have Muslim population. This totally and fully convinced Huntington that they aren't just a variation of Islamic, they are a separate things, because somehow the situation when writing an essay about this bullshit was more important, than historical context of previous 700 years.... and only in case of Turkey.
Magic.
Early 90s was just beaming with all kind of similar bullshit, since suddenly sociologists couldn't just write on the merits of western civilisation and/or capitalism or shit on Soviets and their system, as the Cold War ended with a wet fart. Some were ecstatic, like Fukuyama, who declared the final victory of liberal democracy (and then 9/11 happend) OR, like Huntington, decided to fabricate new enemies, if the old ones were suddenly best friends (you probably can't recall how golly were the relations with newly-emerging Russian Federation back in the day, but some people instantly assumed everything is going to just continue in the best possible direction)
Generally speaking anything written between '90 and '00 when it comes to geopolitics is more dated than any other piece of information from the rest of 20th century. Let me reitterate - Cold War stuff or mid-30s praises to Hitler as "peace-loving" are less dated then stuff from the 90s.

[Anonymous No.6488552]

>>6488226
>nobleman
>not patrician

[Anonymous No.6488573]

>>6488481
I haven't played through the campaigns, what was the problem? From what little I played of the game itself, I was bothered that the battles are still clunky as all hell. I honestly preferred the simplistic combat of 2 to this.

[Anonymous No.6488863]

>>6478434
>Alien Nations is almost shovelware IMO
Is there a JoWood game that's not shovelware?

[Anonymous No.6488878]

>>6478434
>>6488863
I will fight you on the streets for this

[Anonymous No.6488932]

>>6488028
Don't consider nascar, fast food eating contents, michael jackson and contemporary performance arts as worthwhile culture, burger. Popculture is a facsimile facade.

[Anonymous No.6488957]

>>6488294
Nothing will ever compete with 3.

[Anonymous No.6489704]

>>6488957
2 does compete with it pretty well

t. Amazon fan

[Anonymous No.6489730]

>>6488573
The "campaign" is simply a mess. You have 2 kinds of campaign: each nation has a 3 missions mini-campaign to familiarise with it, then you have the "main" campaign against the Dark Tribe, where you keep switching the nation you are playing as and it's a combination of being too short (12 missions in total, most of which can be finished in 2 hours each) and too simple (short from 2 missions with arbitrary handicaps, the rest is piss-easy). The expansion pack is also underwhelming, since the balance is off and the number of mission is again limited to bare minimum
Compared to 3, that's a MASSIVE step-down, because the difficulty bar is in the "meh, too easy, boring" territory for the most part or "fucking hell, did they even playtest this bullshit" in those two special missions, while in total, you don't even have half the missions 3 had. Sure, it's still more than 2 had, but 2 had also it's own pace and difficulty, so on average a single mission was entire day of intense playing and planning (not to mention how many people were filtered out by Europe map in 2: GOLD)

The only saving grace of 4 is ability to generate random maps with passable generator and using it both against all-AI enemies or for multiplayer. This really does help this game, elevating it from clear downgrade from 3 gameplay-wise and replay-wise to being just slightly inferior
But other than that, the game is just meh. Which is a shame, since Mayans > Egyptians and the mechanical tweaks to the game (like rework on pioneers and setting up new outposts or improving transport in general or unique goods of other nations converting to your own unique goods once stolen/captured [so you don't end up with a stockpile of "wrong" alcohol or meat source) are fine, but other than that, 3 with Amazons expansion is the peak Settlers, even without random maps
And if you are playing the 25th anniversary edition, due to all the fixes and tweaks to it, 3 improves so much, there is no reason to bother with 4

[Anonymous No.6489736]

>>6488573
>>6489730
Also, if the mini-campaigns for each nation was at least 5 missions long, or preferably 7-10 range and the main wasn't so underwhelming, the game would be much better. Mechanically, it's for the most part polished S3, but due to the quality of campaign, there is nothing to play or enjoy that isn't random maps.

[Anonymous No.6489750]

>>6489730
tfw you've conquered the world in S2

[Anonymous No.6489835]

>>6489750
It's funny how easy all the other continental maps are... but the opening Europe is perfectly capable of filtering out even experienced players, unless you have meta knowledge of either resources in ancient Europe or know from previous gameplay where to find what.

[Anonymous No.6489853]

>>6489835
I honestly don't remember much about it. For some reason I still remember
>those damn annoying trees everywhere in Africa
>Japan being annoying to conquer because there's little space

The hardest mission I played in S2 was the final campaign mission against the Roman, even with all the cheese (catapults not breaking neutrality, tree blocking the Wiking) I used it was way harder than anything else

[Anonymous No.6489890]

>>6477689
4 was my first one. I fucking loved watching the workers carry stuff and work.

[Anonymous No.6489891]

>>6489853
Europe's filter was mostly achieved by the fact that:
- your starting position has shit terrain, so you need to get to the plains of northern Italy... which is mostly covered in stone first
- the only gold in your reach is in Brenner Pass and unless you put full focus on getting there from the start, Yellow is going to capture it
- other Roman factions in Spain and Greece start with gold mines and expand quickly toward your direction - conquering that terrain is hard due to quality soldiers, while without any worthwhile resources, since everything will be mined out before you get there
- Carpathia is your top priority, but you have to get through Yellow and Red to tap that gold
Failure to secure any of those means you are fucked in a slow, painful way, while investing 4-8 hours into the map so far.

[Anonymous No.6490297]

/vr/os, what's your idle-animation?

[Anonymous No.6490301]

>>6490297

[Anonymous No.6490524]

>>6480795
1945

[Anonymous No.6490526]

>>6490524
Hey, at least you're not speaking German, right?
AHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.6490527]

>>6483718
>>6483714
>>6483728
Obviously Greenwich is the centre from ehich east and west are measured.
See: every map in the world

[Anonymous No.6490545]

>>6490527
>Anglocentric worldview
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.6490572]

>>6490545
Neither him nor Bong, but that's just point of orientation for navigation. If you have problem with how map convention is done, that's on you

[Anonymous No.6490578]

Hey anons, why you don't discuss me?

[Anonymous No.6490586]

>>6490578
BECAUSE YOU'RE SHIT. YOU'RE AN ABOMINATION WHO SHOULDN'T BARE THE NAME.

[Anonymous No.6490630]

>>6490578
>Singlehandly kill the franchise dead and proceed to rape the corpse in public
That game should never happen. At all. It's the classic case of "Ubisoft does unrelated game, then applies on it an established title and then gets confused why people hate their game"

[Anonymous No.6490675]

>>6490578
I'm still mad this was localized over this. Tried the German demo, it's fucking great. Each culture having a completely different way of gathering of resources is amazing.

[Anonymous No.6490856]

>>6490545
It is literally 0 degrees so the centre of maps it's not my fault

[Anonymous No.6491086]

>>6490675
Which version has the securom patched out?

[Anonymous No.6491959]

>>6488531
What are you selling?

[Anonymous No.6493783]

>>6480749
Calling AtLA weeb is one of the most absolute braindead shit I see people spout, and it's always by people who never even watched it.

[Anonymous No.6495132]

>>6477689
Settlers was HUEG in Germany. Germans love their village administration games like this and the Anno series

[Anonymous No.6495469]

>>6477689
I don't get why this wasn't ported to consoles. The slow pace is a perfect fit.

[Anonymous No.6495479]

>>6495469
Because the slow pace only applies to the first game. Also
>RTS
>Consoles
Yeah, no

[Anonymous No.6496740]

>>6495469
DS got an awful port of Settlers 2.

[Anonymous No.6496743]

Is there any sort of random generator for S2? Or I'm at the mercy of people who made maps for it 20+ years ago?

[Anonymous No.6496761]

>>6496743
https://www.siedler25.org/index.php?com=dynamic&mod=81#1o51nmcD74-74P7W5fpTzpG5

[Anonymous No.6496763]

>>6496761
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6497757]

>>6496761
Different anon, but many, many thanks for this

[Anonymous No.6497792]

>>6477689
German games are boring.

[Anonymous No.6497809]

>>6478415
Ah yes, aliens such as blue trolls, human sized bugs and the most strangest of all, women.

[Anonymous No.6497905]

>>6497792
Your opinion is trash

[Anonymous No.6499190]

>>6488294

What are you saying
S2 is best

[Anonymous No.6499419]

>>6499190
He clearly ment the deformed shit that is in the 10th anni edition. I personally have a love-hate relationship with 10th anni. I like the gameplay improvements. I fucking hate the art directory.

[Anonymous No.6499462]

>>6499419
The mouse snapping when laying down roads and flags is so nice. The viking expansion also has military buildings automatically disable gold gathering, so you can start using your gold where it's needed without babysitting every new building.

My only real problem with the game is playing above 768p starts to make the UI too small.

[Anonymous No.6500461]

>>6477861
Wait, what? Vikings got Polish release?

[Anonymous No.6500469]

>>6497905
your opinion is not constructive.

[Anonymous No.6500482]

>>6500469
Neither is the original one about German games being boring

[Anonymous No.6500550]

>>6500469
>BAAAAAAAAAAAWWW

[Anonymous No.6501449]

>>6477689
>the west
You mean the US, because it was well known in Europe.

Settlers 2 is still the best one imo. The original oozes soul(the 10th looks outdated as fuck without the souls aspect) and is one of the comfiest games ever.

Begining with 3 it started to focus too much on combat and just copy pasting the same game over and over otherwise. No surprise the series starting tanking in reviews there.

[Anonymous No.6501452]

>>6488294
god, I don't think I've ever played a game with more soul than Settlers 2.

[Anonymous No.6501717]

I was more of a Cultures guy.

[Anonymous No.6501814]

>>6501717
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.6502632]

>>6501449
Not... really?
I mean what you describe applies to 3 and 4, which is not only normal, but expected. People from Blue Byte back in the day had a design philosophy of "one big change, two games", so you have 1 setting up basics and 2 refining them, 3 setting up basics for new gameplay and 4 refining it...
... and then they got bought by Ubisoft, doing AoE weak-ass clone. And then the series was never the same, even if trying to go back. Each game, starting from 5, is distinctively different, as if Settlers had identity crisis

[Anonymous No.6504638]

>>6477689
Bump