/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6474974]

Last thread: >>6439732
Talk about CRT's. Take pictures of CRT's. Shit on people's choice of signalling. Shut up about scalers.
>I wanna take pictures
Good. Shoot at 1/60, 1/30, or maybe 1/15 for NTSC, and 1/50, 1/25, etc. for PAL.
If using a phone, try to shoot RAW to evade shitty filtering. If you can.
Open Camera is a good Android app. I ditched iOS before you could shoot RAW on it though, so IDK there.
DSLR's are great, too. But use whatever you have.

[Anonymous No.6474980]

>>6473950
I already fixed his problem.
The 12V rail inside the set was dead. Read the thread.
>>6474010
There are at least a few PSX games that are incompatible with all PS2 versions/exhibit glitches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_games_incompatible_with_PlayStation_2#All_models
>>6474007
>BVM
max i'd do is 14".
>CRT's in general
27", but 20" preferred.
>>6474003
>What do you mean by tri dot, early Sony sets?
No. I mean this. Pic from my DSLR with a reverse-mounted lens. Friendly reminder that Sony is not the only company to make worthwhile CRT's.
>>6473575
>I fell for the Analogue DAC meme and they use Dsub output, now I can’t even get the stupid thing to connect to my TV.
>Analogue
You brought this upon yourself.

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[Anonymous No.6475145]

>>6474980
So by tridot you mean good shadow masks, like D-series or Toshiba AF?

[Anonymous No.6475176]

>>6475145
IDK if the D-series uses tri-dot or not, but essentially a specific kind of shadow mask.
Most non-Sony PC monitors used them too, but only a subset of those work at 15khz.

[Anonymous No.6475613]

I wanna fuck a TV set

[Anonymous No.6475719]

What’s the best shader currently for a 4K screen?

[Anonymous No.6475723]

Do trinitrons have calibrations made specifically for that set? I'm going through the service menu and all the values are different from in the manual which I'm assuming are default values.
This CRT has been with my family ever since I was a kid and I was just wondering whether or not someone made adjustments,

[Anonymous No.6476220]

>>6475719

A CRT sitting next to it.

[Anonymous No.6476231]

>>6476220
>place CRT next to my 4K tv
>picture on 4K tv is unchanged
????

[Anonymous No.6476260]

>>6475719
Any of the Royale variants. Pick which looks most right to you.

Personally I like Royale + Composite

[Anonymous No.6476308]

>rgb

[Anonymous No.6476489]

>rgb

[Anonymous No.6476695]

Anyone here have experience with CRT projectors?
Would you recommend it?

[Anonymous No.6476705]

>>6476695
If I found one for dirt cheap and it was working fine, I'd probably grab it for the novelty of it.

[Anonymous No.6476709]

>>6476489
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.6476726]

>>6476695
If you only play every once in a while and in short spurts, it's fine. Those things are prone to overheating and burning out bulbs with frequent extended use, though.

[Anonymous No.6476771]

a 14" CRT isn't too small for 480p, is it? I'd love something like a 20" but all I can find with component are tiny ones like this or huge ass 27"+ that I have no space for

[Anonymous No.6476774]

Composite.

[Anonymous No.6476828]

>>6476771
that's the size of my pvm, gonna eventually get a 20"+ but for now it seems perfect to me. I imagine you'd want bigger when you start going beyond ps1 era

[Anonymous No.6476835]

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[Anonymous No.6476839]

>>6476828
hmm, I wanted to also play PS2 so maybe I'll just hold out for a better set...

[Anonymous No.6476843]

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[Anonymous No.6476885]

>>6476774
>they have mouths
You playing the PC port or a hack of the original FF7?

[Anonymous No.6476886]

My state recently lifted the retail store ban, so im going shopping for a nice CRT for my ps2 and xbox that i found in my moms garage when helping her move. Both consoles look ugly on my hdtv.

Is there hints or stuff for looking for good crts at places like thrift stores?

[Anonymous No.6476890]

>>6476886
Yeah; you won't find many. Many won't even accept them.
Use craigslist, garage sales, etc.

[Anonymous No.6476903]

>>6476886
xbox and ps2 straddle the line. both look better on flat screens with a few exceptions. get some good component cables and make sure you're configuring them for hi definition.

[Anonymous No.6476908]

>>6476903
How do i configure them? One of those component to hdmi boxes? Tv settings?

[Anonymous No.6476924]

>>6476885
Tifa has a mouth in that scene even in the PS1 version

[Anonymous No.6476925]

>>6476903
PS2 absolutely does not look better on an HDTV

[Anonymous No.6476928]

Uh should i pick this up? Its a 40 minute drive from my place and its F R E E

[Anonymous No.6476930]

>>6474980
>Analogue
Yeah I know I did. Can you help me though? I’d like to at least get this to work like it’s supposed to, I don’t care as much about the waste of money.

[Anonymous No.6476932]

>>6476928
Whoops

[Anonymous No.6476940]

>>6476903
i consider PS2 better on CRTs because it has more odd resolutions and less progressive scan support than other consoles of the time.
while GSM can get working 480p out of a fair few games that didn't support it, the majority have issues that make it worthless or unusable.

[Anonymous No.6477084]

>>6476726
Makes sense to me, I don't play for more than a few hours at a time, I just remember those fuckers putting out more heat than a powermac back when I used to work with them.

If I did find one I'd probably end up buying a screen for it and in turn digging up a dlp or 3lcd projector for my regular hd TV business, stacking then on each other.

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[Anonymous No.6477423]

[Anonymous No.6477436]

[Anonymous No.6477534]

>>6476908
>>6476908
it's automatic unless you disable it on xbox. if you're outside the US, you need a softmod to force progressive on xbox. for ps2, just make sure it's using ycbcr in the settings.

>>6476940
definitely. if there is an HD spectrum, ps2 is further back.depends on the game. the best argument is for a crts is 240p ps2 games and ps1 backwards compatibility

[Anonymous No.6477769]

behold the toshiba 27a41, 2002 manufacturer curved crt with component and s-video - just picked her up for $20 off craigslist

[Anonymous No.6477803]

>>6476932
It's free, why not? Bring a gun.

[Anonymous No.6477819]

>>6476932
bring your friends or paid muscle. it's heavy as shit.

Been there, done that

[Anonymous No.6477827]

>>6477769
nice!

[Anonymous No.6477904]

I've got a laptop lying around with mini-HDMI, and I'm tempted to go about hooking it up to my CRT to use as a simple emulation box.

Is there any relatively cheap way to do this shit these days? I figure I can use an active HDMI to VGA converter to output 480p, but then going from that to 480i or 240p RGB seems like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.6478057]

I live in Japan and just picked up a Super Famicom. I'm pretty much limited to places like Hard Off to find a CRT. Are there any brands that are generally considered good and ones generally considered shitty? I don't care about RGB, just gonna use the RCA cables it comes with.

[Anonymous No.6478372]

>>6475723
All CRTs have calibrations specific to the set. The only way to get it right is to display a test pattern and adjust it until lines are straight and circles are circles.

[Anonymous No.6478382]

>>6477769
Good job anon enjoy that beaut.

[Anonymous No.6478386]

>>6477904
Monitor or TV? HDMI to VGA for the former, HDMI to component for the latter.

[Anonymous No.6478398]

any general tips on why s-video wouldn't be working on a trinitron?

[Anonymous No.6478408]

Figured it out, am I in the cool club yet? This shitty pic doesn't do it justice

[Anonymous No.6478410]

>>6478408
>PVM
https://niceme.me

[Anonymous No.6478478]

>>6478410
you can't afford i take it.

[Anonymous No.6478494]

>>>/wsg/3484137
How do you guys like my trinitron kv-27v15

[Anonymous No.6478505]

>>6478478
More like I'm not dumb enough to shell out $200 for a 9 inch TV.

[Anonymous No.6478513]

>>6477084
What kind of screen is that? It looks neat. I have one of these Sony CRT Front Projectors that's the size of a recliner. It's up in my parent's upstairs not seeing any use at the moment.

[Anonymous No.6478521]

>>6478505
OMG... so you can't afford it. Thanks for letting us know.

[Anonymous No.6478624]

>>6478513
No idea, pulled the image from google

[Anonymous No.6478629]

>>6476924
Wow, I never realized. I mean, I knew they had those mouths in the PSX version, but they were usually hidden.
Maybe I should re-play it again.
>>6476930
What console?
And why'd you buy analogue instead of original hardware, especially if you wanted to get s-video?
Anyway, don't know what to tell you other than you need an active converter.
>>6478057
IDK, but if you're just using RCA composite video you obviously don't care about quality so why do you want a quality CRT?
>>6478478
>>6478521
Not him but I have a 20L5 and prefer non-pro sets at that size. I keep the L5 for 480p.
My L5 was $30 though and I'd not pay over $80 for one.

[Anonymous No.6478748]

Someone just dumped an NEC XM-2960 in front of my store. Any good?
Trying to decide if it's worth the effort to get it into my car (heaviest CRT I've ever tried to lift).

[Anonymous No.6478873]

>>6478629
>quality
CRTs are for morons, everyone in this thread needs to wake up, because real hardware is VASTLY inferior to emulation.

[Anonymous No.6478985]

>>6478748
No, it's terrible, tell me where you live so I can take it off you hands

[Anonymous No.6479048]

>>6478748
I hope you took it home

[Anonymous No.6479083]

>>6478629
>if you don't have the $4000 audiophile setup you obviously don't care about quality, just get dollar store earbuds
I'd still like to get the most good CRT possible.

[Anonymous No.6479110]

>>6478748
What store do even run that has people dumping CRTs in front of?

[Anonymous No.6479113]

>>6477819
This. My 27" one weighs 114 pounds. Given that a 36" display has almost twice the surface area of 27", you're easily looking at close to 200 pounds.

[Anonymous No.6479149]

>>6479110
A TV store, naturally. We offer trade in deals and "free recycling", so there's always a pile of crap outside.
And sometimes NOT crap shows up.

[Anonymous No.6479154]

>>6478985
>>6479048
I left it. Didn't have the power cable to test it, so it could just be a huge brick.

[Anonymous No.6479179]

>>6479083
Not even similar. If you're not even using _S-video_, which is easily available in the US and Oz i.e., (places without easy RGB) you clearly just don't care.

[Anonymous No.6479208]

>>6479154

[Anonymous No.6479215]

>>6479154
You're retarded and gay if that actually happened and you didn't take it. You act like it's impossible to repair them.

[Anonymous No.6479257]

>>6478873

>Trying this hard to shitpost

[Anonymous No.6479263]

>>6479257
Why'd you even reply to them?

[Anonymous No.6479404]

>>6479263

Why'd you even reply to the one replying to him?

[Anonymous No.6479530]

Is there a definitive RGB mod guide for 90s trinitrons? The shmups thread is mostly dead images now.

[Anonymous No.6479545]

I have a Philips 27ps55 s121 and for some reason when I hook up a console to it via component cables a black bar appears on the right side of a screen but this doesn't happen when I hook up a console via composite cables. I looked at the manual and I couldn't find a service menu code, is it easy to align the display without one?

[Anonymous No.6479617]

>>6478386
That'd be fine if I could get my laptop to output 15khz for my TV, but I can't.

[Anonymous No.6479807]

>>6478629
>What console?
Mega SG
>And why'd you buy analogue instead of original hardware, especially if you wanted to get s-video?
I bought it originally for my HDTV, I just recently got a CRT again for the first time in decades so I decided it would be cool to hook this up instead of buying a Genesis and flashcart.
>Anyway, don't know what to tell you other than you need an active converter.
I really shouldn’t need that, the active converter will add lag, right? The DAC is supposed to output TV-Out and not need a converter. They give wiring pin-out diagrams to make my own HD15->Svideo cable so a simple adapter should be enough. I just don’t know how to solder and don’t have any equipment anyway.

[Anonymous No.6479956]

>>6479807
the Analogue "DAC" is an active converter, just a proprietary one at a bullshit price.

If you don't want to buy their cable or solder you can make your own with a chopped s-vid cable and a HD15 screw terminal plug https://www.amazon.com/Twinkle-Bay-D-SUB-DB15-salpicadero/dp/B07F9S61QT Putting s-vid on a VGA connector was never an official standard thing, you need to follow their wiring diagram.

[Anonymous No.6480120]

Even autists on 2chan hate you people

[Anonymous No.6480212]

>>6479179
Thanks for nothing, faggot. I will just get a Trinitron for 5000 JPY on Yahoo

[Anonymous No.6480317]

>>6480212
if you're fine with composite you don't care about quality. since you mention trinitrons you presumably fell for every meme about CRTs you've ever seen.
>composite has more soul
>the developers intended you use the cable that came with the console
>trinitrons are the HOLY GRAIL!
learn about higher quality connections or don't ask enthusiasts for help finding something good, because you don't want something good.

[Anonymous No.6480331]

>>6480317
I don't know any memes about CRTs. I just saw someone mention the name in this very thread so I assume they are well-regarded. Keep enjoying your hobby.

[Anonymous No.6480354]

>>6475613
based /vr/

[Anonymous No.6480575]

>>6480331

The general rules:

1. Don't fall for the PVMeme. High TVL on a small screen will make a Wal-Mart special buy from 2001 look good. 240p content was never intended for them either. See pic related.

2. Trinitrons were used as reference screens in the pro and consumer field in the early 2000's by just about every home theater magazine reviewer in existence. When Sony's patent on Trinitron ran out in 97, all of its competitors started copying the tech for their own iterations....it was that good.

3' Composite was a compromise for NTSC as American consumers were a little late to the party with video fidelity. S-Video should be your bare minimum 4th gen and up.

4. Flat screens are just as good as curved-screens except they have the advantage of reducing glare from ambient light. For every flat screen with geometry issues, I can show you 2 curved screens with the same problems. Flat's coincidentally have the same geometry as the console render.

5. Every CRT you look at is going to be 20+ years in age. Aging caps drifting out of spec during its life will inevitably mean you will eventually have to adjust your settings to compensate.

6. Scanlines were despised by the engineers who designed CRTs and they avoided them as much as possible. If you love them, understand that you are searching for a defect. Their absence was actually a major selling point of LCD tech at the time.

[Anonymous No.6480783]

>>6480575
People also don't understand what causes 'scanlines'. It's the way that 240/288p content works. Because they're only using half the lines of the full 480/576i height, the other half simply appear blank. On some screens this is invisible, on others there's a noticeable rise and drop in brightness, on others again there's complete black strips.
You should NOT be seeing them in any real capacity with full resolution content. That's a sign of a bad TV.

[Anonymous No.6480857]

>>6480575
>6. Scanlines were despised by the engineers who designed CRTs and they avoided them as much as possible. If you love them, understand that you are searching for a defect. Their absence was actually a major selling point of LCD tech at the time.

The scanline controversy is intriguing to me. I grew up with a big console TV in the living room and dinky 13" early late 70s/80s vhf/uhf knob sets in my bedroom.

My older brother got a 20" Trinitron in the early 90s and I was fascinated with the scanlines.

I remember the late 90s and early 2000s when emulators started adding scanlines filters and I was fascinated.

I bought a 20" flat crt Wega in 2002 and was disappointed with the very subtle scanlines.

A year or so ago I was taking to my brother about getting those defined scanlines and he said something along the lines of, "That's weird. No one really liked, or wanted those back then. "

:shrug:

[Anonymous No.6480918]

>>6480857
It's one of those things where as soon as the technical limitation goes away, it becomes desirable. When it's 1985, you want your NES to push the limits, you want games to be bigger and better and more impressive. When it's 2020, you want the NES exactly because it's none of those things. The limitations and flaws become part of the charm and the appeal.

[Anonymous No.6481252]

>>6480857
>scanlines

[Anonymous No.6481409]

>>6481252
I'm bothered by this guy because whenever he posts something the whole thread slows down

[Anonymous No.6481485]

>>6481409
Could it be because for a brief moment people come to their senses, realizing that they’ve been memed into caring about an inconsequential aspect of televisions because they saw a pudgy, pink-faced man on youtube make a video about it?

[Anonymous No.6481590]

I just got a JVC AV-32D302 and I have all my consoles wired up through an Extron 7SC. Can I use a VGA (Extron) to component (JVC) adapter to connect the two or are there any caveats I should know about?

[Anonymous No.6481602]

>>6481485
>scanlines are bad

[Anonymous No.6481689]

>>6481590
everything on the extron would have to be using YPbPr for that to just werk. if all your consoles are RGB you could buy a transcoder and then run the extron into it.

[Anonymous No.6481731]

>>6479530
Why trinitrons specifically
Also RTFM
(service manual)
>>6479807
Poor bastard. Wish I knew a good pre-made product but all my solutions I can think of are DIY because of the connector choice they made.
My solution would be to get a refund and a HD Graphics Model 1 Genesis and then S-Video mod it (literally a transistor, a capacitor, and a resistor. You can piggyback it on top of the existing chips even).
>I really shouldn’t need that
But you do because there's no such thing as an RGB to S-Video passive converter. All original RGB consoles have an encoder chip that does this job (converts the RGB signals to composite and/or S-Video).
>the active converter will add lag, right?
Well, because electrons can only travel at below the speed of light, technically yes. But it's similar to the delay a long cable introduces (insubstantial in all but a pedantic sense).
You have to make sure it's not a downscaler though which is the hard part. Downscalers could introduce trouble.
You already are doing HDMI -> RGB which already adds lag.
I'm the one you replied to, >>6479956 is not but is on the right track as well I think. Didn't check the amazon shill link though and I'm not sure if the DAC thing outputs S-Video over the connector already or not. I really don't care enough to look, unfortunately, I think too highly of my self esteem to even look at their website.
>>6480212
OK, you do that. For the record >>6480317 is not me, but I am who you replied to.
Your inability to read or comprehend that composite video is the lowest-common-denominator (only good for NES and a couple others where they natively don't generate anything better internally) speaks volumes. You can get a _brand new_ third party S-video cable for well under ¥1500 (possibly under ¥1000) which will give you better quality than that (even the cheapest of the cheap aftermarket s-video cables).
>>6480354
OK, you do that.

[Anonymous No.6481735]

>>6480857
>leddit spacing
That aside, your brother has some sense.
>>6480918
I guess it's like those retarded vinyl hipsters who genuinely believe that Nyquist theorem is a lie.

[Anonymous No.6481739]

my battlestation

[Anonymous No.6481754]

>>6481739
what distro is that
also here's my s-video flat sanyo i got for $30

[Anonymous No.6481767]

>>6480575
When there's more black than actual video you're running the monitor way below its intended resolution. I liken to zooming in on an image to the point you can make out individual pixels from even a regular viewing distance.

[Anonymous No.6481804]

>>6481739
>NES cart in a famicom

[Anonymous No.6481842]

>>6481602
Tell me approximately what year you started using RGB.

[Anonymous No.6481862]

Does anyone use a Wii for 240p emulation on CRTs?
Is it any good? seems like an interesting method to play games

[Anonymous No.6481865]

>>6481862
I could notice the latency so I wasn't a fan.

[Anonymous No.6481870]

>>6475145
based PS3 chad
I've been curious about something related
I know that the PS3 can output 480i over composite/s-video or component, is there any way to take advantage of that for video content?
specifically for 90's anime with poofy hair

[Anonymous No.6481878]

>>6481865
what kinda controller were you using?
it has analog input options

[Anonymous No.6481879]

>>6481878
gamecube pad.

[Anonymous No.6481881]

take the 31khz black pill
240p -> 480p -> 240p with scanlines is better than cucksumer 15khz sets

[Anonymous No.6481894]

>>6481879
interesting
this is retroarch on a PS3 with a wireless DS3 and a 2010's HP monitor
I get around 2 frames, 1.9xxx if I really try
can you test your setup?

[Anonymous No.6481945]

>>6481804
And? Yeah, it does look silly. But it also is more reliable than an NES and smaller than an NES horizontally.
>>6481754
>what distro
Debian Sid, with somewhat customized FVWM. Mostly looks and acts like a better MWM (Motif Window Manager).
>>6481862
Occasionally, if I don't yet own a flash cart for a system or don't own a system. It's not very common for me.
It works alright I guess.
>>6481881
>fake 240p is better than 240p without horrible huge scan line gaps

[Anonymous No.6481952]

>>6481945
(And it looks better than the top loader and has sexier colors)

[Anonymous No.6481957]

>>6481945
>horrible huge scan line gaps
lol

[Anonymous No.6481958]

>>6481870
It can do that but I don't remember if it's smart enough to play 4:3 content in 4:3.

There is a plex app for the PS3, it will let you browse Plex content from your network via the xmb.

[Anonymous No.6481961]

>>6481958
isn't movian or whatever the best option now? My PS3 is cfw'd

[Anonymous No.6481963]

So apparently this lovely thing has been sitting in the back of my grandad's truck for well over a decade. What are the chances of being able to clean it up and get it back to working condition? Would I just have to recap it after a good wash?

[Anonymous No.6481967]

>>6481945
>Occasionally, if I don't yet own a flash cart for a system or don't own a system. It's not very common for me.
>It works alright I guess.
Got any pics of SNES, PCE or Genesis?
I like that it has composite as an option too for genesis specifically. If games like Chrono trigger and Yoshi's island run well I'd rather go with it over real hardware honestly.

[Anonymous No.6481968]

>>6481963
1 in 20 for just a recap and a good wash. I bet there's corrosion and rat feces and roach eggs and who knows what else.

[Anonymous No.6481970]

>>6481967
not emulating on the wii, no, because I have genesis/SNES and use RGB for them, and I don't have a PCE yet and there are only really a couple games I'd like for it (mostly Ys).

[Anonymous No.6481972]

>>6481967
It works fine, has slight chroma subsampling issues.
CT will emulate fine. I am fortunate to still have a copy from years ago for real hardware though.

[Anonymous No.6481973]

>>6481972
good to hear
what about GBA, does mgba output in 240p as well?

[Anonymous No.6481984]

>>6481973
I use retroarch for all my emulation on the wii.
IDK about individual standalone emulators.
I have played 240p GBA on wii though, yes. Hard to get it in the right aspect ratio but for me it was doable.

[Anonymous No.6482016]

>>6481963
im gonna be real with you, handling that thing without a hazmat suit when its stored inside anywhere with proper ventilation will give you aids.

[Anonymous No.6482024]

>>6481984
sorry one last question
what's the RA controller support like? Can I use a DS3 or other USB controller?

[Anonymous No.6482093]

>>6481963
Start by cleaning the exterior. Then crack the case open and start inspecting every inch of the guts. Take a multimeter to the capacitors and verify they're all within spec. Check to see the main fuse isn't blown. Once all that's done and you feel confident put it back together. Cross your fingers, plug it in and watch the magic smoke come out

[Anonymous No.6482549]

>>6480575
Thank you, Anon, much appreciated.

>>6481731
Because I saw them mentioned in this thread so I assume they are well regarded.

[Anonymous No.6482676]

How do I deal with death grip on component cables without destroying them or my TV's RCA jacks?

[Anonymous No.6482746]

>>6482676
buy better cables

[Anonymous No.6482768]

>>6482746
these are really good, no noise or buzz.
but they grip those jacks like crazy

[Anonymous No.6483156]

Buy a switcher, shouldn't be using the jacks that much anyway.

[Anonymous No.6483876]

>>6482024
Probably.
I know you can on a PC, not tried it on a Wii.

[Anonymous No.6483992]

>>6483876
On Wii it'll only work with supported controllers. That means Wii remotes and GameCube controllers.

[Anonymous No.6484223]

I forgot how much CRTs flicker. I don’t remember noticing it much back when that’s all that was available to us. Also, picture of my CRT I’ve had for almost 20 years.

[Anonymous No.6484314]

>>6483992
That also includes adapters and the controllers included in the mini systems

[Anonymous No.6484353]

>>6480857
I was born in '85. My first game was Mario Bros./Duck Hunt that my grandmother bought in the late 80's. Everything I had until either N64/PS1 or Gamecube/PS2 was RF. I have no memory of scanlines. I had never even heard of them until HD was a thing.
>>6480575
Everything looked a bit like the first two images here if you got way too close to the screen. Prerendered backgrounds on PS1 games and the characters that walked across them looked like they were, I don't know, made of the same stuff I guess. I didn't even know that bothe the inside of Link's house and Castle Town in Ocarina were prerendered until I emulated it years later. Some of that is just young me not knowing better, but everything did seem to look more cohesive. Less like an illusion.

[Anonymous No.6484357]

>>6484353
>I had never even heard of them until HD was a thing.
This is me, but I was born about 10 years later. Still grew up with my parents' old 2600. First game I remember was River Raid.
Scan lines aren't something to lust after.

[Anonymous No.6484395]

>>6484357
Visible scanlines were a fluke, an artifact stemming from the TV only lighting up half the screen. Early emulators imitated that look and now zoomers think that's how all CRTs look.

[Anonymous No.6484398]

>>6484395
>Visible scanlines were a fluke, an artifact stemming from the TV only lighting up half the screen.
They were very closely embraced by developers as they designed the art. Half the lines being illuminted always had an impact on the visuals, always.

[Anonymous No.6484475]

>>6482768
Buy better cables.

[Anonymous No.6484502]

>>6484395
I think a lot of zoomers actually would have grown up with CRT's still around.
Even my brother (born in 2000, definitely zoomer age) remembers CRT's and we would watch saturday morning cartoons on one until around 2012. Even then we had a 27" toshiba CRT set in the basement. I think my parents still have it actually.

[Anonymous No.6484514]

>>6478873
LEDs are for fags that are cool with shitty blacks

[Anonymous No.6484519]

>>6484514
Shh, don't feed obvious trolls.

[Anonymous No.6484539]

>>6484514
What? My OLED phone has perfect blacks even better than CRT since there's no diffusion from thick glass.

[Anonymous No.6484839]

I wish people on facebook/craigslist would take pictures of the inputs on their TVs

[Anonymous No.6484856]

>>648483
Boomers don't care enough, and those that do aren't selling them on FB/CL.
>SONY TRINITRON RARE RETRO RGB GAMING TV CRT 13" W/ REMOTE
>$300 (+$150 shipping & handling)
>I KNOW WHAT I GOT

[Anonymous No.6484919]

>>6481739
Pretty jelly of your industrial M

[Anonymous No.6484921]

>>6474974
>contains ads

FUCK YOU NO! i dont wanna install malwere on my phone.

[Anonymous No.6484926]

>>6476846
brother?

[Anonymous No.6485041]

>>6484926
supergun/hacked cps2 board soon, brother

[Anonymous No.6485046]

>>6474974
Fuck you. Fuck all of you. Tranny mods deleting the LCD general, but CRT gets to stay? Go fuck yourselves mods

[Anonymous No.6485126]

The thing about scanlines is that it's the only thing 4k monitors can successfully emulate about the crt aesthetic. It's much more difficult to emulate the look of a crt with no scanlines. It always ends up looking fake.
Crts without scanlines can't be emulated, being exclusive to those who have them.

[Anonymous No.6485149]

Every high res crt that can't output 480P is a meme, as it gets exagerated "scanlines" with 240p and an obnoxious flicker with 480i. Also, pvms and bvm were mostly used for detecting small mistakes as every mistake was greatly exaggerated.

[Anonymous No.6485178]

>>6481963
It probably works. Keep it inside, like a garage or something for a few weeks to dry the moisture and plug it in.

[Anonymous No.6485215]

>>6485149
cope

[Anonymous No.6485329]

>>6484223
the flicker, high pitch buzz and poor audio is why I just use shaders these days

[Anonymous No.6485409]

>>6485329
You can just use separate speakers.

[Anonymous No.6485457]

>>6485409
Yeah, I have no idea why people will drop hundreds on pro monitors yet use the mono speaker with them for audio. You don't even need an expensive pair of speakers either. A headphone amp and decent pair of cans work just as well.

[Anonymous No.6485490]

>>6485457
Even a $20 set of computer speakers (the kind with a separate tweeter and woofer) sounds better than most TV speakers. The speaker in a PVM might as well not be there, they're for making sure the audio track of a film is synced up with the video.

[Anonymous No.6485540]

>>6484539
It also burns in at least ten times more quickly than a CRT, in my experience. Hopefully they're going to have that fixed soon.
I could see burn in spots on my Nexus 6 and Pixel 2 within about three months of getting them.
>>6484919
>Pretty jelly of your industrial M
Confession: it's not a real one. It is a silver label board (1386303), but I bought an industrial shell from Unicomp for $30 (the 'warehouse liquidation' section).
https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/1394942
Still, I think it looks great and I got the board very, very cheap locally so I still spent much less than ebay people. It'd be great if I could find an SSK that way though.
>>6484921
>open camera contains ads
Uh, no? I installed it through F-Droid though so maybe it's different somewhere else.
>>6485329
>he doesn't use external speakers
>>6485457
>he doesn't use external speakers

[Anonymous No.6485546]

>>6485540
>>6484919
Oh, and you'll also want one of the pebble colored LED covers from https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/LED

[Anonymous No.6485548]

>>6480575
>240p content was never intended for them either
I'd consider consoles outputting 480i on a PVM [spoiler(]specifically the PS2)[/spoiler] to look worse than 240p because the interlacing becomes far more obvious.

[Anonymous No.6485549]

>>6480575
>240p content was never intended for them either
I'd consider consoles outputting 480i on a PVM (specifically the PS2) to look worse than 240p because the interlacing becomes far more obvious

[Anonymous No.6485551]

>>6485548
>I'd consider consoles outputting 480i on a PVM to look worse than 240p because the interlacing becomes far more obvious
I kind of agree with you but only for the larger screens. Smaller ones seem to look less awful.
Amiga interlacing can still look regardless though.

[Anonymous No.6485587]

>>6485551
look bad* regardless.

[Anonymous No.6485596]

>>6485540
Sadly that's the biggest flaw with OLED. CRTs burn in, which happens when a particular spot is lit up over a long period of time and causes the phosphor to heat to the point of decaying. OLEDs simply burn out, meaning they have an inherently limited lifespan. In both cases the best way to extend the screen's lifetime is to run it at a brightness level suitable for the room instead of 100% all the time.

[Anonymous No.6485602]

>>6485596
no, oled's definitely also burn in. the blues especially so.

[Anonymous No.6485914]

>>6485602
Yeah it can get pretty rough
(though display models are an extreme example)

[Anonymous No.6485917]

>>6485914
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6486541]

>>6481731
>Analogue DAC
Thanks for the help.
> Wish I knew a good pre-made product but all my solutions I can think of are DIY because of the connector choice they made.
It does feel really shitty, but I think I can go with the other product the other guy mentioned. I don’t have tools or skills to solder but I can strip a cable.
I would get a refund but I’d probably have to pay international shipping back to them and at that point I might as well just keep it and work out a solution as a reminder of my stupidity.
>>I really shouldn’t need that
>But you do because there's no such thing as an RGB to S-Video passive converter.
I mean I shouldn’t need another converter on top of the existing DAC, since the DAC outputs a TV-out signal over the HD15 connector, it isn’t outputting a proper VGA signal. That being said, I’ve looked more into it and it seems they designed it to follow monoprice’s pin-out standards for the cable, and other cables follow whatever usage they want, so that’s why I can’t get a signal. Like you and the other guy said, there’s no standard to follow because it isn’t officially supported— I get that now.

Interesting information about the converter vs downscaler, I thought any conversion would introduce perceptible lag but hadn’t tried it to confirm. That makes sense though since it’s just rerouting electrons.

Anyway thanks again for your explanations. I’ll try the plug that >>6479956 recommended, hopefully it’ll work. I can always just give up and buy a Genesis like you said.

[Anonymous No.6486556]

>>6485917
Imagine working in a cell phone store and trying to explain this to customers.

[Anonymous No.6486587]

>>6475145
Are you watching Technology Connections?

>>6477769
Toshiba tubes are pretty nice. I had a little 20" unit while I was in university, the previous tenants who lived in my house left it behind (this was in 2010). It only did composite, but the picture was sharp and the tube was really bright. Made for a lot of great gaming nights. I haven't used it in years because I've got a 32" D-Series, but I'm pretty sure it's still at my parents' house somewhere.

>>6485596
The burn-in on OLED is really bad and is enough to dissuade me from spending thousands of dollars on an OLED TV. Some people claim that they're just as good as Plasmas, and LG claims 100k hour lifespans. But that is complete horseshit, independent reviewers have noticed uniformity issues on TVs with only 9,000 hours.

Plasmas were great, almost like a pseudo-CRT technology in terms of results: great colours, no motion blur, great viewing angles, you just needed to deal with a tiny bit of input lag as long as you didn't buy a crap TV. Sure, they also had the burn-in issue, but from what I recall it was not as severe as CRTs (and obviously nowhere near as severe as OLED). And the damn things had a display half-life of 60,000 or even 100,000 hours. You can run late-model Plasmas for 68 years at 4 hours a day, or 11 years if the TV is left running 24/7. The damn things were tanks and were actually way more durable than CRTs (the best of which had a 60,000 hour tube life, but most were around 25k-30k). I love CRTs but I can completely understand why Plasmas took over; all of the advantages of an HD-CRT with none of the bulk. What I cannot understand is why consumers abandoned them in favour of LCDs, which still look like a blurry mess. OLED brings back some of the Plasma's advantages, but with massive design flaws

[Anonymous No.6486606]

>>6480575
>Don't fall for the PVMeme
Great advice. Consumer Trinitron sets are 90% as good for probably 10-15% of the price.

>inb4 "poorfag"
Spending more than an hour's salary on ancient technology with a finite lifespan and many hours of use is idiotic no matter how you look at it. Especially when there is a slightly inferior alternative that can often be had for free. Save your money for retirement, by which point your precious CRTs will all be dead anyways.

[Anonymous No.6486629]

>>6486587
Consumers didn't. It's manufacturers chasing for the lowest of the low. Otherwise all computers would still have socketed chips.

[Anonymous No.6486638]

>>6486587
my parents still have a 50" panasonic plasma from 2008. It still looks lovely. I remember being pleased with how relatively not-shit it was when I hooked it up to S-Video from a modded genesis and composite from a modded famicom. It still had the interlacing artifacts on 60hz flashing things, but apart from that it looked superb. I hope they don't junk it anytime soon. Or if they do that 'junk it' means they give it to me.
I have had BVM's with well over 60K hours, btw. Rated life != actual life. They looked dim, of course, but SMPTE-C already is dim to start so I didn't mind much. I don't really love high-TVL screens except for 480p and higher though.
>>6486606
Don't fall for the trinitron meme either. Sure, they're fine if the price is right and the condition's good, but so are any number of non-trinitrons. You're just artificially limiting yourself by falling for a meme while laughing at people who fall for another related meme.
>>6486629
>BGA sockets
lol

[Anonymous No.6486832]

>>6486638

>Commodore 1942

I must say that is crisp. Saturation looks spot on. Did you run a colorimeter?

[Anonymous No.6486867]

>>6486832
No, it's an RGB set first of all (RGB _only_), so no saturation control. Additionally it only takes RGBHV so I had to add a sync splitter.
Apart from that, I did have to take it apart and reposition two permanent magnets that were taped to the tube as a purity correction at the factory; they were positioned poorly and causing a blue splotch in a corner. I also added a convergence strip from my toolbox to tweak convergence in that corner a tiny bit.

I must say, though, that it takes very kindly to cameras compared to my other sets and it's probably got the least-used tube of any of them. Very happy with it. And it has an anti-glare ('matte') coat.

[Anonymous No.6486868]

>>6486832
P.S.
Wish I had a colorimeter. wanted a colorhug or whatever, but they're not being made anymore unfortunately and I wanted something linux-friendly.

[Anonymous No.6486873]

>>6486832
p.p.s.
Also I shot raw which let me get a lot more precise colors. My PC's normal monitor (the dell right behind it) is calibrated (borrowed a friend's colorimeter), but I essentially eyeballed the commodore while showing the photo on the dell.

[Anonymous No.6487091]

>>6486629
My ex was constantly pressuring me to get rid of my plasma and buy a Smart TV, because in her mind the plasma was "old, bulky and ugly" and "all my friends have one of these new LED TVs and they look so much nicer". This is the same girl who also pressured me to get rid of my 2005 Toyota Camry because it didn't have a backup camera, like her friends' cars. I think there are enough consumers like her, her friends and their simp boyfriends to cause a mass junking of plasma displays.

>>6486638
Panasonic made some of the best, if not the best plasmas. Samsung also had some great units in the last couple years of the technology's life.

As far as the rated life vs actual life of a CRT, I personally find these things are really not worth their bulk once they start to wear out. This is especially true of PC monitors. I hate having to fuck around with the brightness and contrast or wait half an hour for the monitor to warm up just to get a mediocre result. This is a major problem I have with my Lacie Electron 22; used to be an amazing monitor, but I used it as my primary for many years and just wore it out. It now has about 70k hours and I'm actually thinking of tossing it because I constantly have to fuck around with brightness and contrast to get halfway decent colours out of it. A couple weeks ago I pulled out my Accusync 120 (which spent most of its life in the box in my parents' attic) and was blown away at the bright, crisp image I was getting from a supposedly mid-range monitor. I don't know what your BVM looks like, so I can't comment extensively, but personally I much prefer a low-hour "meh" monitor to a professional one that's well past its use-by date.

[Anonymous No.6487094]

>>6487091
>ex
Good job. Nobody wants a materialistic whore.

[Anonymous No.6487236]

>>6480575
just wanna say the best picture i've gotten with 3rd gen systems was on an 80s zenith (america fuck yea) television with composite video. i've gone off the deep end with rgb but it depends on the system. nes, snes, and PCE have very clean RF/composite. I think it's because they generate them internally rather than relying on a dodgy external modulator. genesis has some of the worst composite, but that can be fixed for like $1.75 in components. i guess what I'm saying is, don't chase the scanline meme. it's stupid. the games look great as long as it's not genesis composite.

[Anonymous No.6487270]

>>6487236
I think with the PVM train long departed only absolute idiots will pay a premium for it. Consumer-grade TVs from reputable brands are the new hot topic and once those are all bought up it'll be literal trash left on the market.

[Anonymous No.6488009]

guess what I got

[Anonymous No.6488024]

>>6488009

[Anonymous No.6488038]

>>6485178
I'll probably wash the bitch down with a water hose then let it dry out for a week but something tells me its not a good idea to turn it on before an inspection.

[Anonymous No.6488045]

>>6478873
This is how a faggot copes.

[Anonymous No.6488165]

>>6488024
>>6481252

[Anonymous No.6488205]

>>6488165
Looks good at distance, I like it.

[Anonymous No.6488240]

>>6487091
>personally I much prefer a low-hour "meh" monitor to a professional one that's well past its use-by date.
Me too, I don't have the BVM anymore
>This is the same girl who also pressured me to get rid of my 2005 Toyota Camry because it didn't have a backup camera, like her friends' cars.
I can back up more easily with my '93 volvo 240 than I can with newer cars because it's got so much more visibility (less padding inside the car). I always back in to park it.
>was blown away at the bright, crisp image I was getting from a supposedly mid-range monitor
Pretty much the impression I got from my Commodore set. Early 90's korean monitors are not renowned for quality. This one had lots of internal repairs I had to make but the image from the tube is still stunning.
>nes, snes, and PCE have very clean RF/composite. I think it's because they generate them internally rather than relying on a dodgy external modulator.
Not 100% accurate, because both the SNES and model 1 Genesis generate RGB internally and then pass them to (different) internal encoder chips. The model 1 Genesis (and many model 2's) have terrible composite quality because they use shitty encoders like the sony CXA1145 and (in many model 2's in the US) the samsung KA2195D/CXA1145 again. The encoders in the SNES are some realy nice Rohm ones (I forget the model - later units still use Rohm encoders but they're rebranded).
My (early) Master System actually has better composite quality than my model 1 Genesis does; it uses a Sony V7040 encoder, the same as many MSX systems used.
Modding my genesis for S-Video and using RGB where possible has helped a lot.
I know little about the PC Engine; some day I'll get one.
>>6488009
A flatscreen? Also the scan line effect's pretty harsh.
>>6488205
I used to make that excuse with my 20L5.

[Anonymous No.6488339]

>>6481252
>iOS filename
>literally seething every time someone posts something he doesn't like
How to spot a /v/ermin.

[Anonymous No.6488381]

>>6488240
nah, it's just my old PC CRT at 1920x240@120Hz. I find it funny how people spend hundreds to get a similar look.

[Anonymous No.6488434]

>>6488381
The 20L5 was $30 in 2012.
It's a bad look. I use the L5 for 480p only.

[Anonymous No.6488636]

Dumb fucking question: I think I got an RGB cable for my wii (SCART), how do I test if it's RGB?

[Anonymous No.6488706]

>>6481963
okay so apparently this thing also has a cut power cord. Is this fixable or nah?

[Anonymous No.6488828]

>>6488706
If you can't fix simple a power cord you might as well just throw it away.

[Anonymous No.6488874]

>>6488706
>that much cord left
Very easily done.

[Anonymous No.6488990]

My Philips CRT from 1998. With RGB (scart). PAL region here.

[Anonymous No.6489009]

>>6488706
ain't gonna make it

[Anonymous No.6489091]

>>6489009
I can make it

[Anonymous No.6489112]

I'm thinking on getting a CRT TV and I'm wondering, how can you tell if it supports both NTSC and PAL outputs outside from plugging in the console and test it out?

[Anonymous No.6489126]

>>6489112
Many PAL TVs support both NTSC and PAL formats. NTSC TVs usually only support NTSC. To know for sure you'd have to look at the manual/specs of your set.

[Anonymous No.6489134]

>>6489126
Aight, I'll keep that in mind if I'll browse some. Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.6489182]

>>6488706
Cut cords are basically spics going "if nobody takes it imma crack that shit apart for copper". What you do instead is crack it open and solder a new cable in.

[Anonymous No.6489216]

>>6489112
Look up the model? If it's an online seller and they didn't outright show it ask them.

[Anonymous No.6489304]

Haven't forgot about you, /crt/. Need to recap my D20 BVM and get back into this hobby. https://youtu.be/KjJ8irRPdqk

[Anonymous No.6490284]

>>6489112
Join the Cult of RGB, no messing with NTSC or PAL.
Praised Be The Holy Trinity.

[Anonymous No.6491326]

>>6490284
RGB doesn't mean multiformat you dingus

[Anonymous No.6491362]

>>6489304
>turning on old small broadcast tv monitors is a hobby

[Anonymous No.6491434]

>>6480317
People who use composite are more concerned with actually playing video games than they are with jerking off over how sharp pixels are or how elaborate their setup is.

Somewhere along the way you forgot that the primary purpose of video games is playing them for entertainment. You don't care about the medium in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.6491543]

>>6491434
>yaaaaaass consoooooooooom

[Anonymous No.6491605]

>>6491326
rgb (raw) and ntsc/pal-encoding are mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.6491612]

>>6491326
>Component video can be contrasted withcomposite video(NTSC,PALorSECAM) in which all the video information is combined into a singleline levelsignal that is used inanalog television.

[Anonymous No.6491756]

Picked up these two for free, trying to figure out which one to use on my setup and which goes into the garage.

Right: HP P1110
Left: Lacie Electron 22 Blue

I feel the HP has a slight blue tinge, and the typical Trinitron G2 voltage problem (too bright). The Lacie has amazing blacks, but also has a reddish tinge I can't seem to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.6491831]

>>6491756
Does the Lacie have uniformity issues? If not just set a custom white balance to get to as close as 6500K as you can. As for the HP Trinitron you may have to replace the caps.

[Anonymous No.6491859]

>>6488990
Quite clean. I like it. Not sure if it's a 1chip or not but it looks good regardless.
>>6491326
frame rate, line count, etc. are not the same as NTSC/PAL. You're referring to (for instance) System M timings for 60hz 525 line video.
>>6491756
I like the warmer one. Red tinge is closer to what you want.
Also there might be a trimmer on the neckboard for you to adjust the red bias if it really bothers you.

[Anonymous No.6491861]

>>6491831
>replace caps will fix the G2 voltage problem
Maybe you should learn what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6491878]

>>6491859
Camera jpeg might look better than the RAW actually. Can't be bothered to work on the raw more.

[Anonymous No.6491978]

what do you call that visual noise of a still image on a crt? almost like wavy type motion on certain parts of the screen. this is from a regular consumer philips crt. do pvm and bvm have this issue?

[Anonymous No.6492098]

Hello lads
I live in MA, and have an extreme enjoyment of humid, hot temperatures. I adore having my room be more humid than any others in my house, and its small size contributes heavily. I adore leaving my window open as much as possible during the summer post-pollen season.
I keep a large CRT in here and a small, inactive, unplugged one. What kind of damages should I expect in the long run from leaving my CRT in this room?
I understand basic wear & tear applies from the humidity and heat, but I was wondering if I should keep the used one in the room (since I use it) and move my small, unplugged (5+ months) unused (7+ months) smaller one downstairs to my boiler room, where it's cool and damp year-round. Would this be an effective solution that would avoid long-term damage?
Both are kept out of sunlight, not that it'd even ever hit them in here without mirrors on the ground.

[Anonymous No.6492143]

>>6491978
Are you using RF?
Because if so, it's just a form of parasitic interference.
>>6492098
IDK an exact number because I'm not in the position to do studies on that kind of thing, but it seems like you've already figured out you aren't doing it any favors.

[Anonymous No.6492151]

>>6492143
Prob. better

[Anonymous No.6492367]

>>6491978
Interference from using unshielded cables. Try using different cables if possible. Also the TV itself might be poorly constructed which makes electromagnetic interference more noticeable.

[Anonymous No.6492392]

>>6492367
It could be that but if it's RF shielding won't matter too much. I notice that pattern almost exclusively in RF, or sometimes when capacitors are faulty in either a device or the TV.

Also a short, less shielded cable usually gives better results than a much longer but better shielded one. So aim for short where possible.

[Anonymous No.6492394]

>>6492392
Just today I actually had that problem with my AV modded famicom; replaced an old electrolytic aluminum cap with a tantalum one I had lying around and it fixed the ripple effect.

[Anonymous No.6492453]

>>6492367
i'm using the stock playstation composite cable. i think it might just be the tv.

[Anonymous No.6492458]

>>6492453
Could be. Definitely consider re-capping, particularly the electrolytic caps on the neckboard if any and those in the horizontal deflection circuitry (danger - high voltages).
PSX usually outputs a nice signal.

[Anonymous No.6492459]

>>6492458
(definitely worth examining the PSU inside the system though, or seeing if other consoles also do it).

[Anonymous No.6492943]

>>6474974
advice on where to find orthographic views of different model tube TVs? I am researching how TVs are built but it is difficult to find many useful side or back images of a TV along with its front.

I'm also curious if anyone knows a resource for sales data on different consumer televisions, particularly for the era from the 70s to the late 90s.

[Anonymous No.6492947]

>>6476932
They're giving it away free because no one would pay for the pain of moving that thing. Sony's late model wega trinitrons weigh a shitton. That one should be right around 200 pounds. Not bad picture though IMO though it's a flat screen so be prepared to do some geometry fiddling.

[Anonymous No.6493136]

>>6492098
Me again. Would the damage sustained to the large one be minimal, or fixable? I know it isn't healthy for the tv, but it is just a consumer tv with some image problems that already exist and cqn be fixed by a recapping.
I just want to know what I should expect from leaving it. I already know it's not too healthy for it.

[Anonymous No.6493264]

[Anonymous No.6493270]

I want to hook up multiple consoles onto my tv with RCA cables without having to constantly switch them out. Are there any multiports I could buy to hook up to my tv?

[Anonymous No.6493272]

>>6493264
That’s an LCD.

[Anonymous No.6493290]

>>6493270
those cheap mechanical 8-in-1 composite switchers and 3-in-1 component switchers are just fine. Just keep the cable run short. The switchers are like $20.

[Anonymous No.6493402]

>>6491756
>They need a pic related.

If you can spring for a PVMeme, pull out another $150 for a ColorMunki, load up HCFR and get them tight on D65. You would be surprised what you "felt" was good to your eyes vs actual measurements.

[Anonymous No.6493412]

>>6491756

>They need a pic related.

Pull out another $150 for a ColorMunki, load up HCFR and get them tight on D65. You would be surprised what you "felt" was good to your eyes vs actual measurements.

[Anonymous No.6494313]

I can't get my rig to display to this little Dell I got recently, it's detecting the monitor but output isn't reaching the damn'd thing

(I am using an HDMI to VGA port I assume this is the issue)

[Anonymous No.6494328]

>>6494313

You need an active converter, HDMI has no analog signal.

[Anonymous No.6494348]

>>6494313
>>6494328
im a fucking idiot, I needed to power the converter, didn't realize that

[Anonymous No.6494434]

MiSTer FPGA on my 14 inch Toshiba.

[Anonymous No.6494808]

>>6492947
Are they really that fucking heavy? I'm eyeing one that's near me on Craigslist.

[Anonymous No.6494868]

>>6492943
You don't need pictures of the back. If you want to find out how they're built you go inside and look at the actual electronics.
And as for sales data who the fuck cares.
>>6494808
Trinitrons in general are usually quite heavy for their sizes. One of the many reasons I tend to prefer a good tri-dot mask.
I've had good trinitrons, but it's just another inconvenient thing about them. 20" PVM's are typically between 75 and 100 lbs.

[Anonymous No.6494916]

Why are 14" RGB PVMs so hard to find? none on ebay for weeks.

[Anonymous No.6495181]

>>6489112
A good pal monitor will do it all, just be aware or the power difference

[Anonymous No.6495278]

>>6493290
Thanks, Alexa.

[Anonymous No.6495875]

>>6494868
I'm talking about the shape of the outsides, which vary more than people tend to think. As for sales data, I care, or did you not get that from my asking?

[Anonymous No.6495992]

>>6478748
>>6479154
It's still here. Not even ANTIFA wanted it.

[Anonymous No.6496223]

>>6495992
The parts for the chassis are pretty rare. Even if the shadow mask or some other components are damaged, it's worth bringing it back for parts. Get someone to load it into a vehicle with you (or do it yourself, I managed to), get a standard ATX power cable (what it uses iirc), put it someplace away from anything flammable and try powering it on.

t. Had one from a trade in Champaign IL that had a damaged shadow mask

[Anonymous No.6496235]

>>6486832
>>6486868
>>6486873
>Colorhug
Wow, this looks great, now I really want one, too. It's fully open-source (hardware and software), so think I might go ahead and build one. If you'd be okay with paying for half of the materials cost I'd be glad to build two and send you one.

[Anonymous No.6496262]

>>6495875
no one else cares so there isn't sales data.
You care about the least significant aspects of screens.
>>6495992
I want it, if you're near Indiana.
>>6496235
Might be interested, thanks. That's a pretty generous offer.

[Anonymous No.6496278]

>>6494868
>Trinitrons in general are usually quite heavy for their sizes.

I see this pop up alot and it is true. But really...how often are you guys lugging your CRT around the house. Find a spot and leave it there. The weight becomes irrelevant after that.

[Anonymous No.6496297]

>>6486638
>I hope they don't junk it anytime soon. Or if they do that 'junk it' means they give it to me.
You'd better let them know that you're interested in it then, otherwise you probably won't get the chance once they decide to replace it.

[Anonymous No.6496306]

>>6496262
>Might be interested, thanks.
Cool. I gotta get back and finish the work day but I'll put together a bill of materials after work and see how much it would cost, I'll post again then.

[Anonymous No.6496314]

Monitors above 24" usually require a team lift to move safely, due to bulk if not simply the load itself, especially the Wega trinitrons. That requires planning, transportation, and is significantly more hassle than moving one on your own. Think carrying a couch vs. carrying a chair.

[Anonymous No.6496482]

How's the JVC I'Art? I've been looking for a decent shadowmask with component input, and there's one for sale nearby. It's a flat screen. Flat screens are undesirable due to geometry issues, right? Is geometry easily adjustable on consumer sets?

[Anonymous No.6496905]

What is this exactly? Looks to have s video and component.

[Anonymous No.6496918]

>>6496905
Old analog lcd it looks like

[Anonymous No.6496957]

Where are some good resources for modding and repairing old crt monitors?

[Anonymous No.6497015]

Kek I was going to pick up a crt

Asked for pictures of the back, has component, looks good. "could I carry this with one person?"

"yeah you probably could"

Drive over, house smells like animal shit and cleaning products and the TV is like 27 inches and there's no way I can get that up solo up 3 flights of stairs.

Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.6497018]

>>6496482
>How's the JVC I'Art?
Regarded as some of the best shadow mask sets.
>Flat screens are undesirable due to geometry issues, right?
To some, but those issues probably shouldn't be too bad.
>Is geometry easily adjustable on consumer sets?
Really depends on the model. I'm assuming this l'Art is pretty modern since it has component, so there should be a service menu.

[Anonymous No.6497149]

>>6496262
>if you're near Indiana.
Sorry, NorCal.

[Anonymous No.6497198]

>>6475613
do it you absolute twat. you bumbling halfwit. you utter shithead. fuck you. shut the fuck up and do it. cunt.

[Anonymous No.6497232]

>>6497015
>there's no way I can get that up solo up 3 flights of stairs.

You tards ever heard of a hand-truck? Like $30 at Lowes.

[Anonymous No.6497247]

>>6497232
That defeats the purpose of getting a crt, it's supposed to be cheap.

Hand truck would work but I'm not buying it specifically to get a crt to my apartment.

[Anonymous No.6497254]

>>6497247
>Hand truck would work but I'm not buying it specifically to get a crt to my apartment.
Because lord knows it will never be useful for anything else ever.
(fucking zoomers; buy tools you faggots!)

[Anonymous No.6497425]

>>6497018

Thanks for the input anon.

[Anonymous No.6497463]

[Anonymous No.6497469]

[Anonymous No.6497479]

[Anonymous No.6497512]

>>6497463
>>6497469
>>6497479

>>6481252

[Anonymous No.6497542]

>>6497512

[Anonymous No.6497558]

>>6497512

[Anonymous No.6497761]

>>6496905
Early LCD screen, most likely 4:3 and 480p
All of the downsides of early LCDs (poor black levels mostly) and none of the upsides of a CRT. It's not even widescreen or hd enough to be used as a regular TV without black bars on the top and bottom.

They were marketed as EDTVs, and there is nothing analog about them but their inputs.

[Anonymous No.6497779]

>>6497542
>>6497558

[Anonymous No.6497850]

>>6497779

[Anonymous No.6498083]

>>6497149
what city?

[Anonymous No.6498279]

hey
a listing on the facebook marketplace caught my eye. crt pc monitors of varying brands. I don't know much about them. could anyone tell me anything basic to know about any of these? are they good for displaying 6th gen vidya? What kind of cables/converters might I need to display said vidya? that's primarily what I would want one for. pic related.

"Monitor #1
17" CRT Gateway
Decent colors, some lines
Monitor #2
17" LED Samsung SyncMaster 73QB
Monitor #3
16" CRT Emachines
Monitor #4
18" CRT Triniton
Fading colors
Monitor #5
18" CRT Viewsonic
Ultrabrite A91F+"

[Anonymous No.6498340]

Won't be surprised if I dont get much help here but I'll try anyways seeing as its CRT related.

Xbox source code was recently leaked to the internet and I was looking to enable higher resolutions through SCART for my multi format monitor in order to fit nicely in my RGBS setup, would anyone with a coding background have any idea on this? There are references in the source that enable options based on the cable detected, if needed I can upload it for a look.

Don't know anywhere else to ask on this, I understand it's not retro but maybe it would appeal to someone else here in terms of those who enjoyed coinops or XBMC on the original xbox.

[Anonymous No.6498470]

>>6498340
"force VGA" BIOS hacks might do what you want, try running one with phoenix bios loader

[Anonymous No.6498598]

Rescue that NEC xm29 pls. For humanity

[Anonymous No.6498624]

>>6498470
Thank you, I'll give it a shot!

[Anonymous No.6498689]

>>6498083
>>6498598
I can't rescue it, brothers. I have a wife to answer to.
My city has an Irish name. Hopefully that plus other clues in this thread should tell you where to find it if you want it.

[Anonymous No.6498692]

>>6498279
>are they good for displaying 6th gen vidya? What kind of cables/converters might I need to display said vidya?
dreamcast: just has a VGA cable, no fuss no muss
PS2: most games are 15kHz so you'd want something that line doubles
gamecube: HDMI adapter and HDMI to VGA converter is probably the way to go
xbox: requires a modified BIOS for 31kHz RGB and a custom cable if your monitor doesn't support sync on green, someone sells cables on ebay but they're pricey
honorable mention: xbox 360 can play xbox games over VGA at 640x480 but its xbox emulator sucks, and it can't output 720x480 which a few games run at

basically they aren't good for displaying 6th gen vidya, you'd need active converters for most of it
do not buy the VGA cable for wii/PS3, it sucks

[Anonymous No.6498834]

>>6498689

Found it. Video Only, Dublin, CA.

I would grab it myself but I'm in SoCal so I'm not going to make that drive. Some NorCal anon should go save it.

[Anonymous No.6498839]

>>6498834
>CA
It's sad how 80% of pro CRTs are confined to there, with the other 10% being in NYC and the other 10% scattered across the country.

[Anonymous No.6498856]

>>6498839
>NYC
I used to walk down the road coming home from high school and see CRTs all along the sidewalk, but not anymore. I always wanted to take them home but I didn't have the space.

[Anonymous No.6498857]

Recently got a decent S-video cable and it made a world of difference. Are there any comprehensive guides out there for tweaking CRT video settings? Mine looks pretty good (as far as I can tell) but I don't know what to look for exactly

[Anonymous No.6499103]

>>6498839
almost as if usage of pro-crts correlates with creative-business-hubs or something.

[Anonymous No.6499242]

It's over bros, went to go turn on my TV today and it won't start up anymore. My childhood CRT from 93, too.

[Anonymous No.6499334]

>>6495992
Lol probably too heavy to smash open a window with.

[Anonymous No.6499413]

>>6498857
you appear to have a red convergence problem, which isn't usually fixable in software except on a select few (usually very high-end) sets.
>>6499242
What happens? Do you get the buzz it makes when on? Does the power light light up? You need to tell us what the issue is if you want a chance of fixing it.
Like, I was able to help >>6472019 because he described it exactly.

If you get zilch, look for fuses inside.

[Anonymous No.6499418]

>>6498834
That's a real shame, I live in Indiana so that's far too big a trip. I even have a station wagon I could pick it up in, but it's a volvo 240 so it only gets around 20MPG.
>>6498689
>he fell for the wife meme
Only joking, of course.

I'd love that thing just for 24khz multiscan.

[Anonymous No.6499423]

>>6496306
OK, please do. Some of the chips are apparently obsolete now so I wish you the best of luck.
I suffer a debilitating lack of hot air station or other good SMD tools. I'm great with DIP and SOIC is doable but beyond that it gets problematic for me. CRT repair is fun and easy usually though.

[Anonymous No.6499471]

Japan got the best crts. What are some you'd like to have?

[Anonymous No.6499490]

>>6499471
>muh japan
They've got some nice computers like PC98 and X68000 but their TVs and monitors are nothing special. That said if you live there just take any well known Jap brand like Sony/Toshiba/Panasonic and you'd probably be good.

[Anonymous No.6499503]

>>6499490
>nothing special
>had HD before everyone else
AHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.6499510]

>>6499503
When it comes to technology, first isn't special in any regard other than fame or vanity. Typically you want the latest of something, not the earliest. The last revision with the most recent parts, design, and standards applied.

[Anonymous No.6499513]

>>6499490
>TVs and monitors are nothing special
They're actually very special.

[Anonymous No.6499537]

>>6499510
Japan is still a decade ahead in most things. Definitely feels like it when you visit the country, which I strongly recommend. You simp.

[Anonymous No.6499543]

>>6499537
>still uses fax
>country is still ethnocentric as fuck
lol, no

[Anonymous No.6499545]

>>6499543
Actually both of those things are pretty awesome.

[Anonymous No.6499558]

>>6499543
>>still uses fax
We still do that in Europe.
>>country is still ethnocentric as fuck
That is what will save them in the end... compared to Europe and the US which will end up like Brazil 2.0.

[Anonymous No.6499562]

>>6499545
Oh and I also forgot to mention their web design paradigms. Go to any Japanese website and you'll think they're still on 56K.

[Anonymous No.6499565]

>>6499543
aaah, the cosmopolite nutjob

[Anonymous No.6499569]

>>6499565
Except I never implied any of those were bad.

[Anonymous No.6499571]

>>6499562
Not an argument. You're either a troll or mentally challenged.

[Anonymous No.6499572]

>>6499562
Fuck yeah, that's awesome. Less is more and simplicity really is the way of the future.

[Anonymous No.6499587]

>>6499572
Except "simplicity" to western web devs is everything in a narrow column that looks like shit on your 4K widescreen monitor, 350KB of text rendered by 6MB of JavaScript.

[Anonymous No.6499617]

>>6499471
The KV-21SP1. A pretty concrete example of RGB being used as a selling point for gaming.

[Anonymous No.6499618]

>>6499617
Goddamn Japs and their NTSC but with easy RGB.

[Anonymous No.6499783]

new to this, is it just me or is it really hard to find a 16-22" tv with component

I can only find the huge 27+ monstrosities that have it

[Anonymous No.6499870]

>>6499783
You're right, it is harder to find small TV's with good inputs outside the monitor market.

[Anonymous No.6499880]

>>6499783
>>6499870
>>6499783
>>6499870
Look into the Toshiba 14AF43. Beautiful little 14" with three composite inputs, s-video, and component. Possibly my favorite CRT. and if your autism is bad enough, you can mod the thing for RGB pretty easily

[Anonymous No.6499881]

>>6499783
It's not just you. In the US component was praised for its ability to accommodate HD (720p/1080i) video and therefore really only showed up on large and often widescreen TVs. Smaller TVs with component do exist, like this 20-inch Toshiba I picked up at a thrift store, but they are short-lived and quickly replaced with big and initially heavy HDTVs.

[Anonymous No.6499886]

>>6499880
I don't need to do that, I have a 27A42 (the 2002 27" model, yours is an '03) and can tell you the late model toshibas have "short" tubes and huge geometry issues despite being curved.
They are still good apart from that, but compared to my good RGB monitors I don't care for it. They aren't a miracle solution.
Also they have SVM which you can't turn off without an I2C bus controller.

[Anonymous No.6499891]

>>6499870
>>6499881

Some good smaller late model 480i non-HD Sony WEGA's only with component:

KV-20FV12
KV-20FV300
KV-20FS120
KV-13FS110
KV-13FS100

[Anonymous No.6499892]

Also my grandparents actually have a 14a43 in their bedroom, so I've seen your exact model.

[Anonymous No.6499897]

>>6499881
You only need component at higher resolutions. There’s barely a noticable difference between Svideo and component as it is, at a smaller size like 15-20 inches, the difference is almost nonexistant.

[Anonymous No.6499898]

>>6499891
>he fell for the flat trinitron meme
>>6499880
>14AF43
Shit, I completely missed the punchline, the 'F' in that model number. You've got a flat short-tubed slot mask.
You're pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.6499901]

>>6499892
that's composite from an AV-modded famicom btw

[Anonymous No.6499907]

>>6499901
>composite mod Famicom
>not using an AV Famicom
For what purpose

[Anonymous No.6499916]

>>6499898
>trinitron

In addition to cornering the consumer market in the early 2000's with top notch video fidelity, they were also among the few that had component standard at that point, even on their entry level shit.

[Anonymous No.6499921]

>modding

[Anonymous No.6499935]

Got a wii a couple weeks ago, for how inexpensive it was it's been a worthy investment to put under the 32FV310. Snes/neo geo shit runs really nice on it.

I love this game but I fucking hate it and it's bullshit

[Anonymous No.6499936]

>>6499935
>32FV310

Lucky bastard.

[Anonymous No.6499943]

>>6499936
The next time I have to move i doubt its coming with me. I snagged a toshiba 27A43 recently just to have in case I decide its not worth it anymore to have a tv that's impossible to move with one person. Until that day though it is indeed a chad set. Typical wega geometry but a lil wave or curve here and there is fine if you actually just play the games

[Anonymous No.6499948]

>>6499907
Because:
a) fuck you, that's why
b) microphone
c) Better expansion audio mix
d) Player 1 can get a much longer controller by just recycling an NES control pad and clipping off the end connector
e) Far, far sexier color scheme
f) it cost ~$20 (plus shipping) instead of ~$100 (plus shipping).
g) I am not a brainlet and can do my own mods so the outputs it's equipped with to start aren't important
h) I am not afraid of soldering irons
i) convenient controller storage
j) Famicom robot compatibility
k) No one will mistake it for a top loading NES.
l) kind of the same as above, but A E S T H E T I C
>>6499916
Toshiba, see above. Also my panasonic has it.
>>6499921
Where did the modders touch you?

[Anonymous No.6499950]

>>6499948
>cope
Whatever floats your boat retard

[Anonymous No.6499951]

>>6499471
I feel like I'm being molested just looking at that.

[Anonymous No.6499952]

>>6499948
Rear panel
>monster cable
It came with a $1 ~2000 Panasonic stereo VCR at a garage sale for some decent quality coax cable. I would feel shame if I'd spent more than that.
>>6499950
OK, enjoy your muffled expansion sound, inferior aesthetic, and incompatibility with the best version of Zelda.

[Anonymous No.6499954]

>>6499943
>The next time I have to move i doubt its coming with me.

At least it is instant cash on Ebay. I know someone who put a FV310 on there, had 10 messages in the first hour -- $400 to end the auction and they drove 500 miles to get it from him.

[Anonymous No.6499958]

>>6499617
But PS1 games make heavy use of dithering effects only visible through composite, right? Wouldn't RGB actually look worse in a lot of cases?

[Anonymous No.6499960]

>>6499958
I rarely see dithering artefacts being used artistically on PSX
Also, the launch JP units had an s-video jack on the back, and so did all blue/green debugger units developers used, so you're just wrong.

[Anonymous No.6499961]

>>6499954
Lmao seriously? Youtube does something to people's heads. Honestly I dont even really care. Whenever I'm done with it I'm just going to put it up locally for free with a bunch of disclaimers like "No, I am not shipping this, you have to come get it, bring a friend, rent a van if you need to, I'm not bringing it to you, dont ask" etc

[Anonymous No.6499962]

>>6499952
I got that backwards; on the AV famicom the expansion audio drowns out the internal audio

[Anonymous No.6499964]

>>6499952
AV Famicom is compatible with FDS, retard. And I’m not autisic enough to care about that other trivial shit.

[Anonymous No.6499968]

>>6499964
>implying I said FDS wasn't compatible
I said Zelda wasn't.
Try yelling into your mic to kill all pols' voice on the screen.
>Protip: you can't
>Audiocucked

[Anonymous No.6499969]

>>6499935
Do you have the big neo geo roms for the retroarch core?
And also try the resolutions cinfig file, at gbatemp thread.
They run and look superb on a crt that size.
There's a lot of improvements on snes, neo geo, cps1 and cps2 emulators for Wii, you'll be amazed how well they run on the little one.

[Anonymous No.6499972]

>>6499958
It's more complicated than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDyQnY5GHI
But speaking from personal experience, every PS1 game I've played on a Trinitron through RGB looks absolutely phenomenal.

[Anonymous No.6499973]

>>6499907
>using AV famicom
>not modding and using an original famicom
for what purpose
I can't see how the AV famicom isn't just for people with more money than sense. Also, the cheapest option for most (an NES) has similar video quality with no mods, and similar reliability with a BLW (which requires zero soldering).

[Anonymous No.6499980]

>>6499972
Without watching that video (videos are cancer and take too long)
I assume it's gonna talk about how the earlier revisions with the 160-pin GPU and dual-ported VRAM (all PU-7 and some PU-8 motherboards) have different gourad shading bit depths.

Also late revision systems have much crisper video encoders than the earlier units. I really only like recommend earlier units if I have RGB; the S-Video and composite inputs are both significantly clearer on the SCPH-7000 and up.

[Anonymous No.6499985]

>>6499972
>>6499960
Well I just did a test, switching back and forth from Composite to RGB on Parasite Eve and Final Fantasy IX, and composite clearly looks better on both. The dithering was CLEARLY made for composite. It's not even close.
Also, the tone of your posts just screams "cope"

[Anonymous No.6499986]

>>6499980
BTW, if the video doesn't talk about both of those factors, then your video is trash and you should tell him to learn his shit or shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.6499989]

>>6499985
Oh, you just have shit taste; okay.
What about having technical knowledge screams cope?
What revision system do you have?

[Anonymous No.6499994]

>>6499989
Pre rendered backgrounds greatly benefit from low resolution.

[Anonymous No.6499996]

>>6499989
>Oh, you just have shit taste; okay.
There you go again.
All of a sudden you're insulting and the conversation is personal. I do not wish to engage in conversation so I'm going to exit the conversation, have a good night!

[Anonymous No.6500002]

>>6499994
What that I said is that a response to?
And if you aren't sitting a millimeter from your screen you won't notice a good dither unless looking for it.

[Anonymous No.6500005]

>>6499996
>my mommy told me to just walk away from bullies, their words can't hurt me

[Anonymous No.6500010]

>>6500005
Left: composite
Right: visible dithering pattern that looks like shit
>mommy said right is better because I fail at everything else at life so at least I can pretend like I'm succeeding at upgrading my retro games video signal quality and try to forget about being an overweight, single, unemployed cringefest

[Anonymous No.6500015]

>>6500010
Game developers at Sierra specifically stated that they tried to support the cutting-edge; that's why they supported the MT-32 even though almost no one had one. But according to you, console game developers targetted composite when S-Video and RGB both already existed and were available (S-video widely so)?
>>6500010
>I picked the ONE game that it definitely works better with instead of the 99% of games that look fine either way or better in RGB/S-Video (including FF9)
Nice retort BTW, glad you're still here.

[Anonymous No.6500019]

>>6500010
BTW, that picture looks like the right on later revision PSX systems even in composite Since you refused to specify I assume you have an earlier one.

[Anonymous No.6500020]

>>6500015
>according to one interview with one person at one shit company something happened so listen to me because i heard it on a podcast
>mommy wouldn't let me play parasite eve, ffix, silent hill, dino crisis, resident evil, alone in the dark etc because she said they might make my autism worse so i don't understand how they look in composite vs rgb so i will argue for rgb

[Anonymous No.6500023]

>>6500019
You didn't specify about being an overweight, single and unemployed cringefest so I will assume that is the case. I guess I hit the nail on the head and you're getting pretty triggered lmao

[Anonymous No.6500028]

>>6500020
Actually, I know how to read.
>projecting this hard because I care this much
>even after saying I'm going to walk away I don't because they hurt my feelings

That said, I have a video you may identify with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p37_Ux1G_BI

[Anonymous No.6500043]

>>6500020
>I mention FF9, but he still mentions ff9 as a game I didn't play
>I actually have old CRT pics of FF9 on here right now from an earlier thread
>My first PSX game was parasite eve

[Anonymous No.6500045]

Yep, this game sure is soulless and full of dithering in RGB.

[Anonymous No.6500053]

Last pic for now, these are just low-hanging fruit I already have brought down to 4chan's filesize.
Gotta walk the dog and get some sleep now.

[Anonymous No.6500112]

>>6499969
Yep i got all that stuff running so I'm straight, if a neo game looks off theres only like 2 common resolutions so I just switch it. I'm pretty impressed at how well it does cps2 and early Cave. Progear and ESP Rade to my knowledge never really got console ports (esp rade only just recently) and they run great on this so I'm pretty happy. Wish it could do the bigger cave 68k shmups up to Ketsui but oh well

[Anonymous No.6500124]

>>6500112

That's great man.
A lot of people see the wii scene like crap from 6 years ago.
But it's the cheapest and almost true experience to 240p Arcade goodness.

[Anonymous No.6500171]

>>6500124
Eh, no. The analog video output from a Wii is pretty bad. Also the emulators are still outdated and unoptimized. A lot of arcade titles don't run well. Also it requires proprietary connectors and doesn't support USB controllers. Hell, you can't even play PS1 or Dreamcast, and even a lot of N64 games don't work. It's a meme. You're better off getting an ARM-based board with analog video output which is the cheapest and truest experience to arcade goodness with its up to date, optimized emulator performance. Sometimes I wonder if this board is overrun by corporate shills pushing Nintendo consoles or Microsoft operating systems.

[Anonymous No.6500203]

>>6500171
>unoptimized
not all. Genesis Plus GX is quite decent.

[Anonymous No.6500219]

>>6500203
On ARM devices? Yes Genesis Plus GX is great, using the latest Libretro core version.
Wii? Sadly it's been all but abandoned, the last updates having been made half a decade ago in 2015. It's completely outdated and full of problems that have been long since fixed for ARM decides. You don't actually play games much, do you? Just parrot what you hear and defend your favorite bing bing wahoo company? Hm yes it seems, quite sad.

[Anonymous No.6500224]

>>6500171
Lmaoo so funny man like what don't you retards understand about not needing something to emulate every system possible? the wii is dirt cheap, extremely common, super easy to configure, runs all 4th gen systems perfectly fine, has native component out, and has most of the n64 games worth playing ported to VC. Its an all in one box for every worthwhile Nintendo system. I was mostly playing stuff on ps2 and it's video out is already noticably better so whats not to like? Why would I get a memeberry if it can only give me like a few extra games i even give a shit about and that its gonna be a bitch to connect to my TV via my preferred input method? So i wont look like a casual on 4chan retro games? Fuck off lol

[Anonymous No.6500225]

>>6500203
On ARM devices? Yes Genesis Plus GX is great, using the latest Libretro core version.
Wii? Sadly it's been all but abandoned, the last updates having been made half a decade ago in 2015. It's completely outdated and full of problems that have been long since fixed for ARM devices. You don't actually play games much, do you? Just parrot what you hear and defend your favorite bing bing wahoo company? Hm yes it seems, quite sad.

[Anonymous No.6500231]

>>6500224
>the wii is dirt cheap,
$40 for shit emulation? It can't even do SNES properly lmao
>extremely common
It's not even manufactured any more.
>runs all 4th gen systems perfectly fine
LMFAO
Are you serious? Do you play games?
>has native component out
It has the worst component output of any system ever
>has most of the n64 games worth playing ported to VC
It has about 20 N64 games, only the most babby ones. How zoom can you get?
>Its an all in one box for every worthwhile Nintendo system
Except the SNES and N64, the main Nintendo systems.
>Why would I get a memeberry
No one told you to get a memeberry. Are you hearing voices in your head again?
> its gonna be a bitch to connect to my TV via my preferred input method? So i wont look like a casual on 4chan retro games? Fuck off
Are you ok?

[Anonymous No.6500232]

>>6500225
This is so sad man you are GAY as fuck omg like anyone gives a shit, do you think hes reading that like "Ohh noo i just got OWNED.. my genesis emulator is only from 2015... all the chads are using the newest ones, i cant believe i even thought i could play sonic 2 using this fucking DOGSHIT... FUUUUUUU-"

[Anonymous No.6500238]

>>6500232
>omg
>you are GAY as fuck
>like anyone gives a shit
Are you female or just 12 years old or both?
>i play sonic 2
Yikes, cringelord confirmed.

[Anonymous No.6500249]

Oh man now that chad ARMnon brings it up i see it... the video output from the wii.. its like im using rf over a coax cable that got chewed up by rats.. my fucking eyes are bleeding.. goddamn it... why cant i be a chad like him.. im just a brainlet.. its not nearly good enough for the complex visuals of the snes..

[Anonymous No.6500315]

>>6492453
you might be experiencing dot crawl because it's composite

[Anonymous No.6500384]

>>6499617
I got a later model of that tv. The Sony KV-29DS1 got it for free off some rich dude who imported it into the country. I posted about it awhile ago but after having it for months rgb even on a consumer tv really isn't the same as component. RGB is definitely a bit sharper. I wish I could capture on photos how razor sharp this picture is but I suck as a photographer and have a shit phone.

[Anonymous No.6500390]

>>6500384

[Anonymous No.6500391]

>>6500384
And a shot of the ps multi in --->jp21--->scart in.

[Anonymous No.6500529]

>>6477769
What game is this?

[Anonymous No.6500578]

>>6500529
mad stalker

[Anonymous No.6500885]

>>6500384
Damn. Whoever imported something as heavy as a 29" CRT only to give it away must be incredibly generous. I had no idea they made another one of those.
>>6500391
I also thought the multi-in was some kind of proprietary multi-in to multi-in cable that came with the TV. Probably wouldn't be too hard to hook multiple RGB consoles via a switch.

[Anonymous No.6500987]

>>6500885
There are people who bought expensive cars for 100K+ who end up selling them for a fraction of their cost. Technology, no matter how high end at its time of release, will always end up obsolete and sometimes useless to its original owner.

[Anonymous No.6501005]

>>6474974
Anyone got tips for recording a CRT?

My experience is that you need to really lower the brightness and desaturate the colours because otherwise its too hard to capture. Also need to have some kind of blackout curtain around or record in the dark to not pick up screen reflections from around the room

If anyones got tips Ill gladly take them.

[Anonymous No.6501019]

>>6500987
I was thinking more about the shipping costs than the value of the TV itself, since I imagine anyone who cared enough to import an RGB TV set probably did it recently.
>>6501005
There should be a manual video option on your phone that allows you to set the shutter speed to 1/60.

[Anonymous No.6501027]

>>6501005
Recording the screen itself? For 240p set refresh rate/shutter speed to 60hz, 480i to 30hz, lower the brightness a bit as whites will mess with the refresh of the camera.

[Anonymous No.6501028]

>>6501019
I assumed the richfag imported it at the time of release. Even today you have audiophiles importing gear for ridiculous prices.
>>6501005
Put it on manual and set shutter speed to 1/60 if you want to pick up discrete scanlines, 1/30 if you want a full image per frame of captured video. If you live in PAL territory make it 1/50 and 1/25 instead.

[Anonymous No.6501128]

>Finally found a decent CRT to replace this shitty RCA I've had forever
>Give it a once over inspection before buying
>The connectors have what appear to be peanut butter in them

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I might as well settle for this literal who RCA

[Anonymous No.6501130]

Is anyone else afraid that as time goes on getting a good CRT will become harder and harder? So many people trash theirs and I can't imagine most lasting another 20 years with heavy use.

[Anonymous No.6501131]

>>6501128
Can't clean it out?

[Anonymous No.6501149]

>>6501131
I'd have to take the TV apart as it appears to be caked inbetween where the connectors are seated and the plastic (It looks like it took a beating at somepoint)

Because I don't have a workspace since I am a poorfag saving money to not be a poorfag (Which is why im at Goodwill and not a private seller) I am going to cut my losses.

At least I'm not playing on a SmartTV

[Anonymous No.6501158]

>>6501130
A lot of people have had this concern. I still think it's niche enough of an interest that all the existing ones won't completely get used up for a while.

[Anonymous No.6501175]

>>6501158
I'd imagine once it begins to become a pressing concern one of these retro-centric will start working out a way to get a decent analog of it working on modern TVs.

It for sure wont be perfect, but it will probably end up working about as good as a middling CRT does now.

[Anonymous No.6501195]

>>6501175
>modern TVs
Completely disgusting
I would just game on an xbox sex at this point

[Anonymous No.6501213]

>>6501195
At some point we are either going to have to find a way to emulate CRTs on a modern TV or give up anon. CRTs literally have a limited life span unless someone wants to start refreshing tubes.

[Anonymous No.6501235]

>>6501213
This is the thing, of all the CRTs that haven't been junked the rest are mostly in gamers' hands slowly burning out. They'll all die eventually, possibly within the next 20 years when hoarders with NIB units start auctioning them where they go for big bucks.

[Anonymous No.6501256]

>>6501213
>refreshing tubes
As in redepositing phosphor? I can't even begin to think of how this would work, seeing as you have to physically break open the vacuum tube, evacuate it, and reseal the whole thing shut. Also I thought the machinery to do this was taken down long ago with the demise of CRT as a display device.

[Anonymous No.6501263]

>>6501256
Exactly. We will need to figure out a way to replicate the effect of CRTs in our lifetime

[Anonymous No.6501265]

>>6501263
Micro LED running at high enough refresh rates to simulate rolling scan (the way a CRT electron beam sweeps across the screen) and with configurable fadeout. Sounds pretty fucking expensive but true CRT TVs will die and when that happens this will be the only thing that can carry on their legacy.

[Anonymous No.6501268]

>>6501265
I mean we wont need it for like 20-30 years minimum so by then it will probably be reasonible

[Anonymous No.6501293]

>>6476940
>while GSM can get working 480p out of a fair few games that didn't support it, the majority have issues that make it worthless or unusable
Name two of them (issues) that don't have to do with field interlacing cause there's a fix for that or hanging on FMV because then you go 1080i which looks even better than 480p on modern LCDs, basically crystal clear, even better if you have a GSM that pushes 1080p, you get nice integer scaled blocky pixels with zero upscaling lag. The only "problem" is using the TV's 4:3 mode for most of them.

I use PS2 on a CRT because that's what looks best to me with RGB but saying that the majority of games don't have proper progressive scan support shows you have no idea what you're talking about. It's a minority of edge cases like DMC1 you have to look out for.

[Anonymous No.6501297]

>>6501293
games that require "emulate field flipping" fall under "issues that make it worthless"

[Anonymous No.6501370]

>>6500225
>on ARM devices?
We're talking about the Wii, you fucktard. It has PPC optimizations.

[Anonymous No.6501375]

>>6500225
You can build genesis plus GX libretro cores for the wii easily. I built one for my Powerbook G4 the other week as well.

[Anonymous No.6501387]

>>6501005
Get gud
Manual exposure settings
Manual recording rate

[Anonymous No.6501502]

>>6501297
Good thing games that need that mode are a minority then. Most of the PS2 games render a whole 480p frame internally.

[Anonymous No.6501608]

My childhood CRT somehow survived all these years and I hooked up my NES to it over the weekend when visiting my parents. It looked great, aside from some rather severe blurring all around the edges of the screen. Is this a common issue? Is there a way to fix this, and is it even worth it? Wish I had taken a picture while I was there.

[Anonymous No.6501609]

>>6499423
Hey there, I finally got around to looking into it, and I found out about what you just mentioned -- obsolete parts.
There are two obsolete parts that need to be sourced in order to make a Colorhug2: AS73210 and MTI08D. I found some MTI08D in stock on a Spanish website and on a Finnish website, but had no such luck with the AS73210. I looked into the part that is now being made instead, the AS73211, but it's completely incompatible -- the old one used a 3-pin analog output, while the new one is exclusively digital, offering I2C and SPI communication as options. Unfortunately, it looks like it's just not doable anymore, until someone comes up with a replacement design that uses currently-produced parts, and writes new firmware for that design. I wish I had time to do it, but I'm working full time this summer and getting ready to start my graduation project in the fall.

[Anonymous No.6501638]

>>6501609
Yeah, that's what I thought. That's why the original maker stopped; he'd just designed a "next generation" one and then the manufacturer EOLed the parts he was using.
Thanks for checking on it; you're a good guy on a shit board.
>>6501608
>fixable?
yes
>how?
take it apart, adjust rings, add convergence strips

[Anonymous No.6501809]

>Decide to buy a CRT because I want to take retro a bit more seriously (I was just using HDMI to Composite)
>Find a decent little table/stand for $10 at Goodwill
>Find a smallish looking CRT on Facebook for free
>Get there
>It's fucking massive
>My parents ditched their last CRT in 2013 so I'd forgetting
>Drag it into my car, barely fits
>Use a dolly to get it into my apartment
>Throw my back out getting it onto my stand
>Everytime I walk past the stand it wobbles cause it's not rated for this 300lb goliath thats bigger than it
>Picture is OK, certain blues look shitty in menus
>Still better than my HDTV

M-m-m-aster race haha.

I want to get a smaller one if they show up for free but holy shit I have no idea where I am gonna take this massive fucker, if this stand doesn't snap (Its two wooden circles, one at the base and one at the top with 4 steel legs holding it together) first.

[Anonymous No.6501876]

>tfw still have my old shitty sanyo from 2004
>picture is a bit crooked
still better than playing old games on a LCD

[Anonymous No.6501885]

SCART or S-video for best quality output on a Trinitron?

[Anonymous No.6501961]

>>6501885
You’ll barely notice a difference.

[Anonymous No.6501987]

>>6501885

With RGB SCART being a base line 100% on a scale of video quality:

>SVideo 80%
>Composite 40%
>RF 20%

Diminishing returns but still an improvement.

[Anonymous No.6502016]

>>6501961
>>6501987
the plan is to connect it to a computer, if that makes any difference, it looks like most converters do both in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6502053]

>>6501809
you should've done your research friend

[Anonymous No.6502064]

>>6501809
It was free bruh. Did the guy hold a gun to your head and demand you take his TV or was it the only one you could find in your area?

[Anonymous No.6502116]

>>6502064
It was the smallest in the area, and its been a very long time since I saw one.

[Anonymous No.6502118]

>>6502116
How many inches?

[Anonymous No.6502124]

So my childhood TV ate shit and died a few days ago so I picked an RCA up off a curb to do me till I get a decent one. Its a 24'' which is bigger than my baby one

The only problem is that on darker images there are these weird waves in the corners. It only happens when there is a mix of dark lighted black/gray/browns on the screen. It seems much less noticeable on my PS1 than my VCR, though it's on both. For example im watching Star Wars on it and I can see it during the Death Star/Tavern scenes.

Does anyone have any idea what this could be? I tried it in a few different outlets and it's not a voltage issue. Could it just need a degauss or is this normal for lower quality CRTs?

[Anonymous No.6502127]

>>6502116
32 inches. I drove 45minutes to pick it up. We have a big retro gamestore that sells CRTs marked up like they are brand new and I suspect they snatch up many of them.

In retrospect I should have backed out but whatever. I will use it till I can find a decent one and curb it.

[Anonymous No.6502128]

>>6502124
Where the fuck do you live that you can still find wild CRTs growing on the curb?

[Anonymous No.6502130]

>>6502124
I forgot to attach my artistic rendition

[Anonymous No.6502136]

>>6502127
>32 inches
Wew lad if you've gotten used to modern TVs like you said then yes that is small but at the same time that's also on the large side of CRTs. Congrats for not ending up in the ER anon.

[Anonymous No.6502137]

>>6502128
A relatively wealthy suburb of Pittsburg. They are almost exclusively fuckoff huge 32 inch ones however they don't want to pay to dispose of

[Anonymous No.6502139]

>>6501885
RGB if available. S-Video is almost as good.
>>6502064
Maybe you should have just held off for a better one to show up. But you know your situation better than I do.
>>6501987
80% is unfair. it's higher than that. I only really see a difference in some edge cases with most encoders (though CXA1145 genesis with S-video mod is more noticeable than most other systems with S-video).
>>6502127
>We have a big retro gamestore that sells CRTs marked up like they are brand new and I suspect they snatch up many of them.
Fuck. That sounds cancerous.
My local game store sold me an Amiga 500 with the monitor for $40. Of course, they basically just concentrated on consoles but the owner couldn't stand to see a guy throw away his Amiga so he offered to buy it and sold it to me at around what he paid for it.

[Anonymous No.6502140]

>>6502128
Most towns and cities in Indiana are still like that, if you aren't too picky.

[Anonymous No.6502141]

>>6502139
>he offered to buy it and sold it to me at around what he paid for it
Good guy.

[Anonymous No.6502146]

>>6502141
Yeah. I really liked him. He also gave me a SNES with bad RAM and told me I could keep it if I fixed it; I also got a free Genesis model 1 VA6 with a bad power jack and a N64 that just needed a really, really thorough cleaning from him that way.

[Anonymous No.6502147]

>>6502141
It came with a working HDD, too. The FDD was busted, but everything else worked and I was able to mod a newer PC drive to work in it so it all ended up really nice.

[Anonymous No.6502149]

>>6502146
(the N64 did not function because of all the dirt and stuff; it wasn't just "aesthetically filthy" he actually hadn't been able to make it run).

[Anonymous No.6502172]

>>6500885
It was a proprietary cable it's the VMC-AVM250 a ps connector to ps connector. The japanese made breakout cables that spliced jp21 connectors to get rgb in to the tv from any source. I bought one of those adapters off a dude on Japan's yahoo auctions and then another adapter from retrogamingcables.co.uk so I could do jp21 or scart into it.

[Anonymous No.6502226]

>>6502139
>I only really see a difference in some edge cases

Anecdotal. S-video objectively falls short. Even in overall color saturation. An improvement over composite, but at times still a blurry mess compared to the crispness of RGB with dedicated Csync,

[Anonymous No.6502335]

Is a Toshiba 14AF45 worth $15? I know Trinitrons are top tier but some cursory google searches speak highly of it

[Anonymous No.6502356]

>>6502335
Does it come with the remote? With a flatscreen tube chances are you're going to need to calibrate it.

[Anonymous No.6502359]

>>6502335
I mean idk, its 15 bucks. if you're into playing games on a pretty small screen itd be fine and at least its not cumbersome to get rid of if you end up not liking it

[Anonymous No.6502362]

>>6502356
It does. I have never calibrated one but it can't be too hard

>>6502359
I am currently using a shitty RCA 14" now, but its getting old. I don't mind the small screen cause I have it next to my PC so it's pretty close. (I don't have room to add a big CRT to my apartment)

[Anonymous No.6502380]

>>6502362
If you have a console that can run 240p suite it's pretty easy. You get into the service menu by holding volume down on the TV, after the volume bar reaches zero keep it held down and hold 9 on the remote. From there you can adjust image size and edge compression to try to get rid of warping. Do know there is an option (CUT OFF) to kill vertical deflection in the service menu which results in a very bright horizontal line lit by the electron gun on full power which will quickly burn the screen out. Instead of activating it by scrolling through the options one by one it's better to download the service manual so you can go straight to the relevant settings by entering the code from the remote.

[Anonymous No.6502529]

>>6502226
this image is not on CRT though

[Anonymous No.6502773]

>>6502226
saturation can be tweaked.
and again, i said it depends on the console and encoder.
>>6502335
yeah. I don't love flat tv's but it could be worth $15.
>>6502529
>this image is not on CRT though
^
I do prefer RGB but it's not a huge difference for many systems. I can even make my modded genesis look close, but it does take some tweaking..

[Anonymous No.6502784]

[Anonymous No.6503614]

>>6481958
I have a PAL PS3 and when hooked up with RGB, DVDs play in green monochrome. Still 4:3 seemed to work fine, even on YouTube and Netflix. Don't think I've tried blu rays yet. I think the 360 is better overall though, since it has the option for PAL-60 and no aforementioned colour issues through RGB.

[Anonymous No.6503625]

>>6503614
Is it trying to sync on green?

[Anonymous No.6503634]

>>6485490
Never use "computer speakers". You're allowed to connect any amp and speakers to the output. The cheapest bookshelf pair blows away Logitech shit.

[Anonymous No.6503671]

>>6503634
Some of those 2.1 sets are decent. I have my PC on a Klipsch ProMedia speaker set and they sound better than the Philips stereo I use with my consoles.

[Anonymous No.6503968]

Is Samsung SyncMaster 957 DF a good monitor?

[Anonymous No.6504186]

>>6503968
Not amazing but not terrible either, it can push some pretty high resolutions like 1440p.

[Anonymous No.6504578]

>>6503614
>I have a PAL PS3 and when hooked up with RGB, DVDs play in green monochrome.
same is happening on ps2 when using rgb.
needs either a modchip or a hacked dvdplayer-update-file.
no idea what you can do on ps3.

[Anonymous No.6504651]

https://www.amazon.com/Fosmon-Component-Cable-Definition-Nintendo/dp/B00CA8636K
will these work for a wii to a fv310?

[Anonymous No.6504684]

I think my CRT is starting to fail me, its showing these dark lines that go down the image and makes everything wavy as they travel down to the bottom. Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.6504697]

>>6504651

As long as they don't force the Wii to 480p. The FV310 can only do 480i.

[Anonymous No.6504716]

>>6504697
alright thanks

[Anonymous No.6504973]

I recently bought an NEC Auto Color, Model No.: CT-2510A(R). I have tested it and the picture looks pretty good after doing some adjustments. I ran 240p Test Suite via ps2 nes emulator and the linearity test wasn't great. It also has a little right side overscan but it doesn't bother me too much.
I'd like to hear about anyone's experience with NEC (more specifically this model or series) and how they are as far as quality and reliability, general things.

[Anonymous No.6504989]

>>6504973
I'm shit at pictures.
Left 25" NEC, right 32" D-Series.

[Anonymous No.6505119]

I'm new to this. Just give me a yes or no answer. Is this correct then
RF > RCA > RGB?

[Anonymous No.6505159]

>>6505119
>RF > Composite > S Video > RGB

[Anonymous No.6505219]

Anyone else prefer smaller TVs to bigger ones? I have a 14' Toshiba I use for my NES/SNES/VCR and its perfect. I keep it on a table next to my desk. Im about 6ft away from it and it's perfect. It might be small but the picture is so crisp

[Anonymous No.6505254]

>>6502784
See
>>6481252

[Anonymous No.6505541]

>>6505254
see
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.6505672]

>>6504684
When I’ve seen what you describe it was from a game system failing power supply, not from the tv. Have you tried other game systems or video sources dvd vcr etc? Do these have the same effect?

[Anonymous No.6505686]

>>6477436
>cowboy bebop is so old its 4:3

[Anonymous No.6505761]

>>6505672
I've powered my console off to see whether or not the console was causing the problem, seems to do it even when the console is off. However, the problem went away after I had my CRT off for a bit.

It's actually happened before but I thought it was no big deal, I'm guessing I might have to pick up another CRT soon just in case.

[Anonymous No.6505769]

>>6505686
>even liking widescreen
Let the robe embrace your neck.

[Anonymous No.6505803]

>>6505769
robe?

[Anonymous No.6505858]

I'm thinking about picking up pic related from my local thrift store, I am going to bring a psp and composite cable to test it out. Is this a mistake?

[Anonymous No.6505863]

I just got this weird VGA cable that works with my Wii for some reason? it's got a playstation connector too. It's probably this cable too, how is it doing this? I thought NTSC wiis couldn't do RGB

>>6476695
I had one for a *little* while, couldn't ever get it converged properly, what projector?

[Anonymous No.6505864]

>>6505863
by this cable I mean this one
https://www.amazon.com/wii-ps3-cable-computer-monitor-pc/dp/b003bddlek

[Anonymous No.6505870]

>Listed 1 hour ago
>message them
>"sorry pickup pending"
this is impossible bros

[Anonymous No.6506407]

>>6505858
it's a great tv, just make sure that you have people to carry it with you, shit is heavy

[Anonymous No.6506410]

>>6480575
tl;dr
reported for being a spammer and a poorfag

[Anonymous No.6506421]

>>6503625
Not sure. I'm using pic related from retro gaming cables.

[Anonymous No.6506428]

>>6485596
>Sadly that's the biggest flaw with OLED.
Not even.
OLED has shit-tier brightness and still uses WRGB panels.
The technology is a meme and is not even close to emulating a CRT.
MicroLED fucking when?

[Anonymous No.6506429]

>>6488381
>120Hz
Literally why?
At 1920x240 you can afford to put it at 60hz.

[Anonymous No.6506456]

>27 inch Trinitron available for 25$
>5 hour drive
bros

[Anonymous No.6506458]

>>6506456
road trip tiem
bring muscle

[Anonymous No.6506508]

>>6474974
How can I tell if a certain TV is a good choice? Most of the people taking photos don't include the model number? Is there a certain thing I should look for?

[Anonymous No.6506516]

>>6505803
You're a wizard, Harry.

[Anonymous No.6506585]

I haven’t touched a CRT in over ten years. I have this in my basement, was in my bedroom in the mid 2000s. Is this worth hooking up my Wii to (composite only) for emulation or should I find a better solution?

[Anonymous No.6506590]

>>6506585
For some reason it has an Amazon page still which is somewhat entertaining: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005T3DD/

[Anonymous No.6506594]

My city had a brownout a few days ago and it messed with my BVM 14F5U (it goes into standby but will not go into operation mode). Does anyone know if there is a power supply repair guide or cap kit for this model?

I also need to test with the BKM 11R to make sure it's not the mounted controls not working.

[Anonymous No.6506779]

>people are still buying expensive converter cables for each console
This shit triggers me to no end. Buy one converter and connect everything to it.

[Anonymous No.6506791]

>>6505858
Won't do 240p without upscaling.

[Anonymous No.6506796]

Can’t actually find Wii composite cables at the moment, only have an old DVD player I can hook up until I order new cables

[Anonymous No.6506979]

>>6506796
>Wii composite cables
I thought those were common as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6507040]

thoughts on this one bros? https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/4087/40872576M.pdf
mostly for ps2/wii/xbox, one hour drive, $25

[Anonymous No.6507112]

>>6506456
don't waste your time. If it were a good model sealed in box then maybe 5 hours is warranted, but you should reconsider. especially if you have to pay them for the privilege of hauling away their junk.

[Anonymous No.6507153]

>>6506410
>i fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.6507267]

I've been checking my local listings and pawn shops/thrift stores for MONTHS with no avail
Until this fag posts this picture. I didn't save the thumbnail, this is how it was uploaded.
I asked him to take more pictures but since he was giving it away for free he just sent me the address without responding to my questions
I took the chance and it was a KV-27FS100. 22 inch Trinitron baybeeee. What a fuckin twist.

[Anonymous No.6507542]

>>6474974
Whats it like to play retro games on a raspberry pi with the image outputing to a CRT? Does it give a better image?

[Anonymous No.6507568]

>>6507542
Yes the analog video output is better than most consoles including the Wii. Especially if you get the retrotink component out

[Anonymous No.6507812]

>>6505863
the cable has a transcoder in it, YPbPr to RGB.
i bought one last year, it's kinda okay for 480p but it has glaring problems at higher resolutions. also didn't work with a PS2 even at 480p. good enough for wii and gamecube games, no good for PS3 or wii u.

[Anonymous No.6508079]

>>6505254
Invisible from three feet away. But keep the hateboner going.
>>6503671
>Some of those 2.1 sets are decent
Yeah I have some Harman-Kardons that sound pretty nice.
>>6504684
Are you using RF?
If so, stop.
If not, make sure your consoles' power is good.
If it's good, then recap the inside of the crt.
>>6505858
>flat and widescreen
Yes, it is a mistake.
>>6506421
>he fell for the scart meme
Also that's what happens when you connect component video to RGsB inputs. Don't have a PS3, but I'm pretty sure they only output component (and not RGB, although the YPbPr signals do use the same pins on the AV out that RGB used on the PSX/PS2).
>>6507542
Why are you asking me? That's a picture of my famicom.

[Anonymous No.6508216]

>>6508079
Just wanted to ask my question in the OP.

[Anonymous No.6508225]

>>6508079
>he fell for the scart meme
what's wrong with scart?

[Anonymous No.6508257]

>>6508225
Unless you live in a country where equipment actually uses SCART it's a waste of money, doubly so because you have to get adapters from SCART to whatever your actual device uses.

Especially on the playstation, because you can get RGB out of them by just connecting a guncon adapter to a PS3 component cable. Guncon composite out for sync, and the component lines for RGB (even color coded correctly).

[Anonymous No.6508261]

>>6508257
Also if you have a launch PSX you don't even need the guncon adapter, just the component cable

[Anonymous No.6508502]

I wish I couldn't hear the buzz anymore

[Anonymous No.6508826]

>>6508502
It never bothered me much, it's part of the charm if anything. Assuming you mean 15.6KHz buzz and not the SCART audio hum from the 5V line.

I know a few people are super sensitive about it though.

[Anonymous No.6508880]

>>6508079
PS3 can do RGB too, just gotta set it in the menu, doesn't do soggy above 480p like PS2 can though

[Anonymous No.6509341]

>>6508079
>>6508257
I live in the UK, so all our CRTs use scart. I'm not even sure if any support component. For this reason, I prefer to do all my retro PlayStation gaming through RGB. I've got a PS3 also hooked up, just until I find another way to emulate SotN and Darkstalkers.

[Anonymous No.6509368]

>>6507568
lmao what? Rasberry's Pi composite is fucking atrocious, it's as bad as Genesis.

[Anonymous No.6509471]

>>6509341
You may be able to configure the PS3 to output RGB instead of component if you want. I don't own one though so I just wish you luck.

[Anonymous No.6509662]

>>6497015
The same thing happened to me but I'm not a manlet so I just took it up to the third floor where my apartment is. If you can't even lift a CRT why even bother. Shameful blog.

[Anonymous No.6509680]

>>6500171
>ARM-based board with analog video output which is the cheapest and truest experience
name one

[Anonymous No.6509690]

>>6509680
Nothing beats the real console but if you're not willing to go there a SBC is miles ahead of the Wii.

[Anonymous No.6509787]

>>6509690
You're telling me there's a SBC out there that can connect straight into my CRT, no fuss, at a cheaper price than a Wii?

[Anonymous No.6509830]

>>6509787
Maybe not but for the difference in price you're getting cleaner output and more-accurate emulation. Some emulators already provide an experience identical to the original console (other than controllers).

[Anonymous No.6510210]

>>6509662
Not all CRT's of the same approximate size are the same weight. My PVM-1944Q was significantly heavier than my Toshiba 27A42.

[Anonymous No.6510219]

>>6507267
If it's a KV-27FS100, then it's a 27-inch, not a 22-inch. That's what the 27 in the model# means.

[Anonymous No.6510280]

>>6509830
I honestly don't understand how much "cleaner output" could even be noticed, especially given that a SNES/most 4th gen consoles are only gonna give SVideo at best without spending as much as a wii costs on a component cable, for people who's CRTs dont have RGB in, which is most in north america.

Like, maybe if you base your appraisal just on super zoomed in screenshots from a capture card, the wii component output is inadequate. But when I play neo geo stuff on my trinitron, it looks just as good if not better than any arcade monitor ive ever seen in an MVS cabinet, so what more is there to accomplish?

[Anonymous No.6510287]

>All this Wiifag cope ITT
Sad desu.

[Anonymous No.6510289]

>>6510287
>doesn't have an answer

Sad tb h

[Anonymous No.6510390]

Is there a list of approved digital (HDMI) to analog (i assume RGB, be it trough SCART, VGA or the 3 wires) converters?

most of the ones i see look dubious at best (tiny box plugged to the ground with no heatsink)

[Anonymous No.6510454]

>>6510390
Why do you think something like that needs to be big, or require a heatsink? Do you have any idea how small the chips used for digital-to-analog video conversion are?

To answer your question, I don't have a list, but first describe what you're trying to connect to what, what resolution range you're looking for, etc.

[Anonymous No.6510457]

Figure this would be the best place to ask since people keep bringing up the Toshiba 14AF45 in particular: How do I program a universal remote for it? I can't do anything besides change volume and go back and forth between channels 3 and 4 without one. I tried every input on it with my PS2 and nothing is showing up. Pic related is the remote if it's of any help.

[Anonymous No.6510465]

>>6510457
Universal remotes aren't programmable, they just send the command for the button you press, in as many different ways as they know how. If it doesn't work for your TV, it just doesn't work for it. You'd be better off looking for a name-brand remote on eBay. A remote made for a similar Toshiba of similar age should work.

[Anonymous No.6510505]

>>6510454
i don't know, i just see that it'd be on for long periods of time and i assume generate heat

the plan is to connect a modern PC to a Trinitron KV29X1B using SCART (it can handle rgb trough that) with the best quality possible

[Anonymous No.6510510]

>>6510457
>>6510465
They do sell 'learning' remotes that you can point your existing remote at and tell it this is + this is - etc. The keyword for that feature is learning though.

Programmable/universal have a built in set of codes to try and if none work you're sol.

Logitech harmony remotes have a very good library of devices, but have an awful, awful user interface

[Anonymous No.6510528]

>>6510505
Unfortunately, what you're hoping to do isn't as easy to do as you probably think it is. What method is best for you depends on a number of factors (kind of GPU you have, how much you wanna spend, etc.), and can be discussed endlessly. It'd be a waste of time to describe them here because this topic has been extensively documented by plenty of others before, so go do some research. Do a web search for "Connect PC to 15kHz CRT."

[Anonymous No.6510551]

>>6510510
>that you can point your existing remote at and tell it this is + this is - etc
then why would you even have that remote, you get a universal remote because you don't have the original remote

[Anonymous No.6510558]

thanks, i'll look into it.

[Anonymous No.6510561]

>>6481862
THAT'S ILLEGAL DOOD, Imma tell the CIA to swat your place.

[Anonymous No.6510693]

I bought an old, solid and strong tv rack for my very heavy kv-3459t, it will be delivered this friday.

I can barely wait

[Anonymous No.6510746]

>>6510465
>>6510510
Nevermind, I got the remote and TV all working. I think my component cables must be shit or something because everything had a purple/monochrome hue, and after adjusting, it just won't work at all. They were cheap anyway, and s-video on it looks great so it doesn't matter. I'll post pictures at some point.

[Anonymous No.6510768]

>>6510551
I got it so I only need one remote in my living room.
I couldn't find any universals that worked with my Sony amp.

The remote it came with didnt work right.

Ended up buying a logitech harmony and hated it, but I did use it to teach my learning remote all the codes it needed for my amp.

[Anonymous No.6510810]

>>6507267
>>6510219
similar thing happened to me. i knew mine was a trinitron but they announced it as 27" and it was actually a 34".

[Anonymous No.6510953]

>>6509830
The RGB SCART out a PAL Wii is some of the cleanest video out you can get.

[Anonymous No.6511437]

>>6510528
after some research it looks like getting a graphics card with a VGA port (and get it to output a 15kHz signal so that you can convert it to SCART easily) is a great idea, but i'd like to integrate the TV in a multi-monitor setup with good performances overall.
How doable would it be to have a main GPU to actually get good performances and a secondary one just for a display like that?

[Anonymous No.6512082]

>>6511437
>How doable would it be to have a main GPU to actually get good performances and a secondary one just for a display like that?
Basically not possible, unless you have them in separate computers. Graphics cards are, as far as I know, not compatible with one another unless they are the exact same model. A downscaler might be a good choice, that's what I went for.
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

[Anonymous No.6512091]

>>6512082
I said "downscaler," but to be clear and consistent with the terms used in the link I shared, either a downscaler or a scan converter would work.

[Anonymous No.6512228]

my computer CRT "bleeds" colors to the right. Its not super obvious but still annoyinng. is it possible for this to be due to some specific calibration needed for the resolutions? or is the screen physically fucked?

[Anonymous No.6512286]

>>6512228
Display this tiled on the monitor and see if it's consistently pulling the colors one way across the whole tube and take a picture. If it's just one quadrant it could be a magnet to adjust on the side.

[Anonymous No.6512320]

>>6512082
>separate computers
that might be an option, but i wonder how i'd be able to send the video from one to the other
i assume that video over lan would have too much latency?

[Anonymous No.6512325]

>>6512286
I got this
Theres a slight orange-purple-orange colors on the top left, dunno if it shows here

[Anonymous No.6512337]

>>6512320
Wait, you're saying you want to use a new, high-performance graphics card, but have the output of THAT card come out of the other one, and go to your CRT? You'd need additional hardware (a video input/capture card, at least), and it would take a lot of tweaking, but it MIGHT work if you put enough time and money into it. But at that point, why? You suddenly have a really expensive, really convoluted setup that, if you're lucky, MIGHT work as well as just using a single older graphics card, or as well as using a newer graphics card with an external downscaler.

[Anonymous No.6512358]

>>6512325
Screen seems fine. Suspect low quality cabling or failing video card.

[Anonymous No.6512473]

>>6512337
one of the (many, confused and probably poorly informed) ideas i'm considering, would be to have a recent, high perf PC send video (hdmi) somehow to a junk PC (that might be useful as a server) that would be able to output trough a VGA (tweaked to 15kHz 576i) that'd be really easy to connect to the tv's scart(RGB)