/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6468624]

>Interview with Howard Lincoln from Next Generation magazine (May, 1997).
>This issue covered the problems with the Nintendo 64, something no magazine was really talking about at the time. They very bluntly bring up these problems in their interview.
Was Next Generation right about the N64 not having enough quality titles?

[Anonymous No.6468625]

[Anonymous No.6468631]

[Anonymous No.6468643]

[Anonymous No.6468758]

>>6468631
>Altered Beast was a dreadful Genesis game
Fuck this guy.

[Anonymous No.6468985]

>>6468758
As a pack-in title, it was shit compared to the pack-in the competition was selling. Next Gen calls it like they see it.

[Anonymous No.6468993]

>>6468985
They changed the pack in title to Sonic shortly after the SNES was released.

[Anonymous No.6469017]

>>6468624
>Was Next Generation right about the N64 not having enough quality titles?
Yeah. Nintendo had something special going on in the first two years but after that they just flushed it all away under rehashes and a lack of core titles.

[Anonymous No.6469026]

In May '97 there were barely any games for the N64 at all. In the US, there was only 16 titles available around that time

[Anonymous No.6469041]

They were right. I traded in my N64 and got a PlayStation instead. The only games I missed out on playing were Perfect Dark and OoT

[Anonymous No.6469057]

>>6468631
>>6468643
What's the point of interviewing the head shill? What do they think he's gonna do, be candid?

[Anonymous No.6469641]

>>6468985
Sega was going for the "arcade at home" thing. Altered Beast is a great port but Sonic is a much better choice for pack in.

[Anonymous No.6469648]

>>6468631
>Altered Beast was a dreadful Genesis game.

[Game Music Thread No.6469670]

>>6468758
>>Altered Beast was a dreadful game

fixed.

[Anonymous No.6469691]

[Anonymous No.6469729]

>>6468625
I see what they did there with the word intend and it's pretty clever

[Anonymous No.6469812]

>>6468624
People seem to forget that during the late 90s, everyone wanted to play Pokemon games and fuck everything else. That's what finally "doomed" the N64 library, but only looking retrospectively. Nintendo sure made a hell of a deal out of it.

[Anonymous No.6469829]

>>6469026
By the end of its cycle it didn’t even have 16 games worth playing

[Anonymous No.6469837]

>>6468631
>>6468643
That's a hardboiled vidya journo m80s

[Anonymous No.6469843]

Was the nintendo seal of quality supposed to mean that the game was GOOD, or NOT BUGGY?

[Anonymous No.6469846]

>>6468758
>>6469648
Yeah, it was quite overrated lol

[Anonymous No.6469854]

>>6469843
Just means it is licensed for use on the console.

[Anonymous No.6469861]

>>6469843
It meant the game passed Nintendo's content guidelines (ie. no Custer's Revenge shit) and was completed, could be beaten, and didn't have fatal game-breaking bugs in it.

[Anonymous No.6469863]

>>6469041
Same here. Had N64 first and liked it in the beginning, but all the games were on Playstation. Most people I hung out with were playing PS by '97-'98.

[Anonymous No.6469883]

>>6469812
I had an N64. Goldeneye and Zelda were mindblowing

I cant think of any others

[Anonymous No.6469884]

>>6469863
Yea i also got a Playstation around 98 and mostly played FF7 AND FF8

[Anonymous No.6469887]

>>6469884
But the 96 period was innocent, so Nintendo fit that period pretty well

[Anonymous No.6469920]

>>6469863
>Most people I hung out with were playing PS by '97-'98.

I was the only one in my group of close friends who had a N64. I never could join in on their conversations after the SNES. Finally had my moment when Ocarina finally dropped though.

[Anonymous No.6469926]

>>6469920
Yea that game was amazing back then

It was the first open world game i ever saw, in 3D at least

[Anonymous No.6469963]

>>6469812
lack of 3rd party support and the higher price point on games was what killed the 64.

[Anonymous No.6469965]

>>6469963
>killed
Are we history revisionism now?
Dude, the N64 never came out! It never existed! It's all a psyops!

[Anonymous No.6469968]

>>6469883
basically everything by nintendo and rare was great on the 64.

[Anonymous No.6469970]

>>6468624
>>6469691
It's funny when you see both these covers together. Going from one extreme to the other.

[Anonymous No.6469974]

>>6469965
you alright over there?

[Anonymous No.6469991]

>>6469974
I'm not even over here. Disintegrated. I was the psyops all along.

[Anonymous No.6470232]

>>6468643
keep posting
where can I download old gaming magazine interviews?

[Anonymous No.6470281]

>>6470232
>Nostalgia as fuck

https://www.retromags.com/

[Anonymous No.6470284]

>>6470281
pretty good site. i was reading through a shitload of old egms i had back when i was subscribed to them in the 90s

[Anonymous No.6470326]

>>6468624
The bitter, bitter pill that sony ponies have trouble swallowing is that they can hemm and haww all they want about the N64's smaller library, but at the end of the day it was targeted at little kids who didn't have jobs or money of their own and would be receiving maybe two games a year, once on christmas and once on their birthday, IF that. My brothers and I had a total of like 19 games for the console by the end of its lifespan, and they were all pretty good.
Yeah, the playstation had 380008342 games on it. The average kid owned like 15. That didn't matter. N64 kids had the main big ones (SM64, Smash, Mario Kart) and then a smattering of other shit. Nobody back then gave half a fucking crap about how many total games there were, the only people who pull this shit are zoomies trying to participate in console wars that they literally weren't even alive for.

[Anonymous No.6470369]

>>6470326
little titty baby keep crying about your fisher price console. meanwhile the og playstation chads were out losing their virginity, then coming home to the cutting edge future of console gaming for years to come.
you'll lose that v-card one day haha anyway peace

[Anonymous No.6470386]

>>6470369
Playstation is the real fisher price console with a friendly, light grey color and actual kids-only games, as well as RPGs (turn based so kids have time to process information in their tiny, still-developing brains) and FMVs that acted as virtual babysitters.
Meanwhile, N64 chads were enjoying party games with their bros and gfs, playing racing games and shooters in 4-player mode, while admiring the charcoal black color of the N64, just like their matured, non-kiddy souls.

[Anonymous No.6470389]

They should have interviewed Nester as well.

[Anonymous No.6470391]

>>6468758
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.6470392]

>>6470281
Wish they had GameNow.

[Anonymous No.6470398]

>>6468643
Ever since the night trap court case, I've absolutely fucking despised Lincoln. He took every goddamn chance to throw Sega under the bus at the potential expense of the rest of the entire industry. Sega bad, Nintendo dindunuffins

[Anonymous No.6470401]

>>6470326
I want to make love to your post, given that it looks like your pic related.

[Anonymous No.6470402]

For a second I got him mixed up with Howard Phillips

[Anonymous No.6470403]

>>6470398
>at the potential expense of the rest of the entire industry.
Japan never gave a single fuck about what Americans deemed "offensive". The industry would have remained fine.
Fuck SoA and NoA, though.

[Anonymous No.6470409]

>>6470326
I'll take the bait. A larger library is relevant not because the individual consumer will buy more games, but because they'll be more likely to find games they personally enjoy. Every N64 kid had the same 5 games. And what if you didn't happen to like those games? Tough luck. What if you liked 2D fighting games? JRPGs? Shmups? The 64's answer to all these questions was "fuck you play Ocarina again."

[Anonymous No.6470417]

>>6470409
>What if you liked 2D fighting games?
Definitely not the playstation with its severely cut-down ports. In that case, get a Saturn.
JRPGs?
Definitely not the playstation. Loading times + turn based/random encounters is just not a good combination. Plenty of good JRPGs on older systems like MD and SNES.
>Shmups?
Turbografx and Mega Drive are good for those.
The playstation was the jack-of-all-trades, master of none. And most kids also just played the same inferior versions of Tomb Raider or Need For Speed, which had better versions on PC. Your average 90s kid wasn't interested in the SaGa series or danmaku shooters.

[Anonymous No.6470434]

>>6469057
Who else would they want to ask? The competition? Btw what the motivation of both parties? Lincoln got to shill, and NG got a name for the cover and a few pages of a guy professionally weasel his way through "tough questions".

I wish I still had the issue where after one SpaceWorld NG claimed "Pocket Monsters" would never work outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.6470462]

>>6470417
What if you enjoyed 3D fighting games? Sorry your shit sucks compared to Tekken 3, my N64 drone dude.

>The playstation was the jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

SOTN was literally better than anything on the N64, you mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.6470469]

>>6470462
>my N64 drone dude.
I was talking about other systems too, though? For 3D fighting, why, you have the best one on Saturn too: Virtua Fighter 2. As well as a plethora of others.
>SOTN was literally better than anything on the N64, you mongoloid.
I dunno, not very into metroidvanias. I like classicvanias though, if only Chronicles on PS1 wasn't a shit port, oh well.

[Anonymous No.6470472]

>>6470462
>NOOOO YOU'RE A NINTENDRONE!! NOOOO
sonyggers are the worst of the worst, not only they are shitting up a thread about SOTN on Saturn, but they bring their autistic Nintendo obsession here too.
Fuck Sony fanboys, they were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.6470473]

>>6470326
So glad I'm not a zoomer

born in '94 baby

[Anonymous No.6470487]

>>6470469
>For 3D fighting, why, you have the best one on Saturn too: Virtua Fighter 2
Such a Nintendrone attitude. "Just play the one singular game which is arguably better!" Collectively, my friends and I had Tekken 1, 2, and 3, Toshinden, Bushido Blade 2, and Dead or Alive. We played all of these regularly. If we only had one game, it would be boring as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6470492]

>>6470487
>and a plethora of others
You seem to be obsessed with this "Nintendrone" boogeyman.
Also LOL @ listing Toshinden and listing an inferior port of Dead or Alive.

[Anonymous No.6470497]

>>6470492
Literally who are you quoting? I love the Saturn, too. I'm specifically responding to the anon who's arguing it's okay for a console to have only 10 good games because the average person only owns 10 games anyway.

[Anonymous No.6470507]

>>6470497
I'm just jumping in because I'm tired of seeing Sonyggers like you shit up the board, thinking the Playstation is the only good 5th gen console because it has quantity.
And I was quoting myself, I said: "Virtua Fighter 2. As well as a plethora of others.", yet you chose to only notice VF2 and called me a nintendrone.

[Anonymous No.6470514]

>>6470507
So what you're saying is that the N64 is decidedly worse than both the PlayStation and Saturn? Because if so, I don't know why we're arguing.

[Anonymous No.6470521]

>>6470514
I never even added N64 into the equation. You're obsessed with that system, and are no different than the blind N64 fanboys, except instead of loving it, you hate it, but the outcome is the same: you are obsessed.

[Anonymous No.6470536]

>>6470521
>You're obsessed with that system
That's the system we were talking about, anon. That's what this thread is about. The anon I responded to was talking about the N64.

[Anonymous No.6470543]

>>6470536
You making yet another thread about the N64 is a sign of your obsession.

[Anonymous No.6470549]

>>6470536
Precisely. You actively seek out N64 threads to spill your vitriol.
I wasn't talking about any console in particular. Just named some games on Saturn, but you jumped at me calling me a Nintendrone, just because I didn't concede to the Playstation.

[Anonymous No.6470556]

>>6468643
>where are the games from Angel Studios, GameTek, Virgin, Spectrum Holobyte, and Sierra?
Did GameTek ever published a decent game besides shovelware and euro crap?

>Spectrum Holobyte
Kek

[Anonymous No.6470564]

>>6470549
>I wasn't talking about any console in particular.
Why not? It's an N64 thread.

[Anonymous No.6470565]

>>6470556
>Spectrum Hobobyte
They're more of DOS dev house. don't need to make fun of them over that though.

[Anonymous No.6470568]

>>6470564
I can still talk about video games in general whenever I want, which is what I did. I brought up good games in the genres you mentioned on Saturn and other systems, but you were upset about it and started calling me a nintendrone. Typical Sony fan.
Also, I entered this thread because I see it more as a video game magazine thread, not exclusively a N64 thread.

[Anonymous No.6470617]

>>6469970
It's a good point desu. Like, N64 had a few solid "best of all time games" but PS1 had a lot of games that fell into that description as well but for other genres.

[Anonymous No.6470886]

>>6470565
personally i will never forgive spectrum holobyte for immediately cancelling x-com after buying out microprose... fucking dickheads 3:

[Anonymous No.6470918]

>>6470434
>I wish I still had the issue where after one SpaceWorld NG claimed "Pocket Monsters" would never work outside of Japan.
Here you go.

[Anonymous No.6470942]

>>6470918
>no 3rd party support
>dev kits are hard to come by
>developers willing to deal with n64 quirks even rarer
>cartridges suck for production
>quality over quantity
Wow this article really sums up the n64 lifespan pretty well

[Anonymous No.6470950]

>>6470918
Bonus "what the FUCK is a pokemon" article from a later issue. It should be noted that Europe got Pokemon -substantially- later than the US.

[Anonymous No.6470963]

>>6468624
I'm pretty surprised with the aggresive tone of the interview. It's very difficult to see interviews like this nowadays. Journalists are now much more softer unless it's something political related.

[Anonymous No.6471403]

>>6470409
Yes, as an N64 kid I was disappointed to miss out on fighting games. That was why I would go to an arcade to play them, where they were better anyway.

[Anonymous No.6471446]

this interview is
>just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good
>exec: yes, it does.

[Anonymous No.6471761]

>>6470326
>but at the end of the day it was targeted at little kids who didn't have jobs or money of their own and would be receiving maybe two games a year, once on christmas and once on their birthday,
Huh, never heard this argument before, and honestly I think it brings up a good point. This could explain why there's so much die hard nostalgia for the console since as a child nobody would ever really have to put up with the fact that the library was small. For the vast majority of children, good enough is as good as it's going to get.

[Anonymous No.6472209]

>>6468631
I agree 100% with this guy. I loved my N64. I had 20 games for it and loved all of them. My cousin had the PS1 and it was so shitty. I literally hated when we had sleep overs at his house because he would just play final fantasy while I watched because PS1 had no co-op games.

[Anonymous No.6472283]

>>6470281
Based
Thanks, buddy
This is truly where its at

[Anonymous No.6472306]

>>6470434
Someone who isn't totally biased that might actually engage with the questions. Otherwise it's basically just marketing for fanboys.

[Funcoland Clown No.6472312]

>>6470417
>JRPGs?
>Definitely not the playstation
Stopped reading

[Anonymous No.6472506]

>>6469641
>Sega was going for the "arcade at home" thing.

I make this point, and this is literally the first time I've seen someone other than me make it. And bear in mind arcades and arcade-style gameplay is bigger in Japan than in other regions, and Saturn and Dreamcast sales were better in Japan, but it sank here because people were wanting a different experience. More immersive, I guess.

>>6468625
>>6468643
>>6468631

Interesting interview. It is interesting that someone was saying this at the time, its mostly adulation (watch news coverage, etc, of the N64 launch).
That said, Rareware certainly held up their 'Dream Team' lofty ambitions. Goldeneye was due to release in a few months which sold 7 or 8 million

[Anonymous No.6472517]

>>6470409
>2D fighting games? JRPGs? Shmups?
Literally nobody in the 90s knew/cared what any of those things are.

[Anonymous No.6472523]

> Mario 64
> Ocarnia of Time
> Majora’s Mask
> Paper Mario
> Mario Kart 64
> DK64
> Golden Eye
> Perfect Dark
> Rayman 2
> Banjo Kazooie and Tooie
> Diddy Kong Racing
> Conker’s Bad Fur Day
> Pokemon Stadium
> Worms: Armageddon

There’s not nearly as many games as the SNES, and a good chunk of the catelouge is shovelware. But there’senough classics to make up for the smaller library. Plus, you can spend a ton of time with each of these, and there’s a good deal of content in each.

[Anonymous No.6472570]

>>6470326
My argument have sunk in on /vr/. I have done well. Now I shall dissipate back into /pol/, from whence I came.
I am the fag who defended the N64 to the death against a human wave of Sonyggers and Segays in recent threads. At times I was alone. But it seems some fags were lurking, and have learned well.
>"…It's over. But it's an odd feeling. I’m not happy that I won. In fact, I feel happy. Happy that I witnessed the rise of a great new Champion!"
From now on, you go forth and take the fight to the sonyggers. I have done my job!
>>6471761
There is also the point that kids get more replay value out of games.
My DK 64 file from when I was a kid has well over 100 hours clocked up on it.
Bang for your buck, alright.

[Anonymous No.6472645]

>>6470326
This false theory ignores rentals existed and were a prominent factor for every game player in the 90s, especially kids who could only get 2 to 4 games a year, especially for a console as expensive as the n64. Truth is the struggle to diversify the library with quality games led to a lack of games that cover any significant bases. Nobody except the most delusional of fanboys hold any merit to trash like biofreaks and flying dragon, the answers that Howard was talking about. Those games were basically rental and bargain bin fodder that were always in stock because the few good n64 games were always rented out.

[Anonymous No.6472670]

>>6472645
Yeah, like for example we were stuck picking from a bunch of shitty baseball and football games while the playstation kids had the luxury of choosing between a bunch of shitty baseball and football games. Fuck outta here retard, nobody who was there at the time is going to put any stock in this shitty post.

[Anonymous No.6472698]

>>6470472
>sonyggers
>shitting up a thread about SOTN on Saturn

As stated in that very thread, no PS1 fan would write off a library as being weebshit and JRPGs as that's a massive chunk of their library as well.

As usual, its N64 fanboys that are unable to accept valid criticisms against their own console. And when called out on it they point the finger and PS1 fans in an attempt to deflect.

[Anonymous No.6472731]

>>6470472
>sonyggers
>shitting up a thread about SOTN on Saturn
As stated in that very thread, no PS1 fan would write off a library as being weebshit and JRPGs as that's a massive chunk of their library as well. As usual, it's N64 fanboys that are unable to accept valid criticisms against their own console. And when called out on it they point the finger at PS1 fans in an attempt to deflect.

[Anonymous No.6472793]

>>6472517
HAHAHAHA NO!
https://youtu.be/D1qU745zMKU

[Anonymous No.6473031]

>>6472570
I hate that I’m agreeing with a /pol/ scumlord here but you are absolutely correct about the N64 and the economics of the average video game purchasing back then. Kids had to pick 1 (or 2 games if ur for their birthday and then christmas). If your friends played Mario Kart at sleep overs then thats what you wanted. Only weird loner teenage dudes wanted to play playstation

[Anonymous No.6473046]

>>6472731
Already idiot. Got be most post ever,

[Anonymous No.6473074]

>>6472670
Wrong, ps1 had a broader selection so there were more good games to choose from. Apparently this is a hard concept to grasp.

Don't be mad your bullshit is being called out.

[Anonymous No.6473085]

>>6473031
>Only weird loner teenage dudes wanted to play playstation

lmao youre deranged. the playstation sold fuckloads and the ps2 even more thanks to nintendo shitting the bed with n64 and sega being sega

[Anonymous No.6473086]

>>6472570
I demand photo evidence. How do you spend a hundred hours on DK64? Maybe if you really like the multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.6473101]

>>6468758
It is kind of a complete piece of shit though. Maybe that's what he's referring to? The fact that it's extremely bad? And only liked by cross-eyed mongoloids? I mean to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous No.6473109]

>>6470402
Post the rest of this shotacon manga.

[Anonymous No.6473129]

>>6472523

There's a couple others I'd add, like World Driver Championship, or Mischief makers, or the Goemon Games. No question N64 had some nice games and many were more impressive than anything else out there. But, think of it this way. I talk to to 10 PS1 or 10 Saturn fans (especially japanese saturn fans), and they likely have all different games they owned. I talk to 10 N64 fans, and 90% of their lists are gonna be the same. N64 was a 1st and 2nd party system, while PS was all third party.

[Anonymous No.6473135]

>>6473086
Not the person you are responding to but it is very easy to get 100+ hours on DK64 as a kid. I did it. My wife did it. Kids aint got shit to do during the summer and on weekends

[Anonymous No.6473765]

>>6473135
I can imagine getting 100 hours over several save files. That’s probably what he meant now that I think about it.

But it only took me 30 hours or so to 100% it. So 100 hours does seem like a lot for a single fun.

[Anonymous No.6473807]

>>6470392

https://www.retromags.com/magazines/usa/gamenow/

[Anonymous No.6473826]

>>6472517
Congrats, you won the dumbest post of the thread award. It's well-deserved, the competition was fierce.

[Anonymous No.6473827]

>>6472517

[Anonymous No.6474485]

>>6470281
>Czechia's section is basically empty
>No Italy section
Man, I wish the communities in my country actually gave a shit to preserve their old magazines, what a shame.

[Anonymous No.6474492]

>>6470402
>That one final comic they didn't print because it was a big fuck you to Howard leaving and going to Lucasarts

[Anonymous No.6474530]

>>6471761
> targeted at little kids

That's only half the market though, even then. What about teens?

Also when you look at Goldeneye or Perfect Dark they're definitely not targetted at "little kids".

[Anonymous No.6476474]

>>6469670

I think it was fine as an arcade game, at least for kids. It was shallow and clumsy and pretty. You'd put a few quarters in, get your spectacle, and go away feeling pleased. Turning into a monster and crushing all enemies for a little while was worth 25 cents.

As a home game, or for experienced players looking for something deep, it's not good. And the Genesis port greatly reduced the game's one strength. So yeah it sucked on the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.6476484]

>>6470389

Nah Howard Lincoln ain't Howard Phillips

[Anonymous No.6476486]

>>6473129
>But, think of it this way. I talk to to 10 PS1 or 10 Saturn fans (especially japanese saturn fans), and they likely have all different games they owned. I talk to 10 N64 fans, and 90% of their lists are gonna be the same. N64 was a 1st and 2nd party system, while PS was all third party.
Why? You keep saying this is a relevant criticism without explaining how it is. If a lot of people played and enjoyed many of the same games, how does this necessarily make the games or the system they played worse than others?

[Anonymous No.6477532]

>>6476486

Gives people options. Some people don't like fps, some people like visual novels. Some people like dating sims, etc. And there's no "hidden gems" on the N64 aside from one or two games, but I feel like I find a new interesting ps game once a month.

[Anonymous No.6477545]

>>6477532
None of that reflects the quality of the system or its games, though. If someone doesn't like most N64 games, that doesn't make N64 bad. It just means that person doesn't like N64 games. Inversely, PS1 games could all be terrible despite it having a large variety of terrible titles (I don't think it does it at all, by the way), regardless that it allows you to namedrop a lot more random titles. Variety doesn't necessarily equal quality as you're claiming, so again, how is this a relevant argument against the N64?

[Anonymous No.6477604]

>>6469017
That's the story of their life post SNES. The truth though is that Nintendo couldn't really keep up with production when they weren't afloat with 3rd party games. Every gen gets more labor-intensive and every time Nintendo can only do so many titles themselves. I mean, look at any nintendo library without 3rd party, and it looks pretty paltry, excepting maybe NES when they could crank out games like they were nothing.

[Anonymous No.6477612]

>>6474530
>What about teens?
I don't know where you grew up, but maybe 1% of the kids i went to school with were employed.
>Also when you look at Goldeneye or Perfect Dark they're definitely not targetted at "little kids"
I played that shit on launch when i was like 6, and so did literally every other kid i knew. You see it with kids today playing cod and gta.

[Anonymous No.6478445]

>>6473085
PS2 sold as a DVD player. Very few people used it for games

[Anonymous No.6478449]

>>6473765
dude do you realize that children aren’t minmaxing speed runners? I probably spent 30 of those hours just fucking around the overworld.

[Anonymous No.6478457]

>>6477532
People who play dating sims and weeb visual novels are a very niche market. FPS was a much smaller market then as well, and the N64 had Golden Eye as well as others. The only true deficit that the N64 had was JRPGs, which again is niche.

[Anonymous No.6478473]

>>6478445
>very few
This is your brain on Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.6478638]

>>6468624
I remember the Nintendo fans anger at this issue when I visited the Next Generation forums back in the day. A whole lot of "NG is a secret Sony organ" and a lot of dumb arguments on why this article was wrong.
I had SNES and loved it, but visiting usenet and web forums exposed me to Nintendo fanboys, and boy howdy were they a bunch of delusional shits.
>>6470417
>JRPGs?
>Definitely not the playstation.
I literally chose to buy a PSX over the N64 when I found out FFVII was coming out for it. I know I'm not the only one.

[Anonymous No.6478653]

The whole interview is just gay PR speak from Lincoln, shits gay. Props for asking hardball questions I guess but amateurs like this can't stump a fucking old school boomer marketing shill.

[Anonymous No.6478983]

>>6473074
>ps1 had a broader selection so there were more good games to choose from.

I am sorry, but this is simply an illogical argument.
The conclusion does not follow from the premises.
>Console has many games
>Console has more good games
This is completely false.
A system could have 1 million games, and another could have 3 games, but the 3 games could all be 10/10 and the 1 million could all be useless shovelware crap.
>Apparently this is a hard concept to grasp.

>Don't be mad YOUR bullshit is being called out.

>>6473031
This is very true.

[Anonymous No.6479001]

>>6478638
FF7 was a big deal, but it is also sort of gay?
OoT is based and redpilled, on other hand.
Let me explain.

>FF7
some weird climate change storyline
big black guy in your squad (fetishized)
cloud in gay sauna scene - ????.
Pic related
You dont get the girl in the end
Toxic tranny fanbase

>OoT
"best game ever"
gold cart
feels like an epic movie
bad guy is long nosed, dark skinned thief from a desert tribe
You get the girl in the end
You actually kind of have a choice of several girls, game was designed like this
Your character is not gay, doesnt cross-dress, and doesnt enter any gay saunas, and theres no climate change leftist bullshit in it and there are no black people in it either, except for the bad guy (who is green. Dat (((nose))) tho)

[Anonymous No.6479008]

>>6474530
>>6477612
i was playing goldeneye and PD when i was 6-8 as well, yep.
>>6478445
The "DVD Player" thing was a big deal at the time. So was PS3 and its "Blu Ray Player" ability. Nintendo went for smaller discs and so no DVD player and lost out.

>>6478449
>>6473765
>>6473135
Yes, kids are not very good at games. DK64 is a huge game and if :
>you are a kid
>dont know where to go (its your first playthrough)
>No internet to help you
6-7 year old kids didnt really use the internet in 1999 btw
So yeah.
Tbh even now that I know that game backwards 100%ing it in 30 hours would be pretty damn impressive. You 100%ed it first time through in 30 hours? Did you have a guide? And what age were you? These things matter.

[Anonymous No.6479040]

>>6472523
I caved and got a psx to see what all the fuss was about. Played through MGS in about 15 hours then never picked it up again. Went back to GoldenEye. I even played PD more than MGS. Despite PD being more convoluted, it was a more satisfying action game with tons more variety and innovation than MGS’s more gimmick-based pushing of the envelope.

[Anonymous No.6479043]

>>6468624
>The N64 Suuuux! NES and SNES were the last two great Nintendo consoles! There's only 2 good games in the entire library. NOOOOOOOOO You can't like it, it had a bad controller.

People who genuinely think the N64 only have a handful of good games either are completely ignorant to how good the library actually is or idiot redditors who've drank the its cool to hate the N64 cool-aid. So fucking tired of these posts.

[Anonymous No.6479053]

>>6468643
>mah sales
>just look at the sales figures
>they're good games because they're selling well
>yea but check out these sales numbers

[Anonymous No.6479103]

>>6479043
Trying to pretend the N64 didn't have a shitty lackluster library with long droughts in between the major releases is reddit-tier revisionism.

[Anonymous No.6479163]

>>6468624
>>Interview with Howard Lincoln from Next Generation magazine (May, 1997).
>>This issue covered the problems with the Nintendo 64, something no magazine was really talking about at the time. They very bluntly bring up these problems in their interview.
>Was Next Generation right about the N64 not having enough quality titles?
In May 1997? Yes. In fact, when you compare the N64's library to the Sega Saturn's Japanese library, the N64 had the least amount of games that generation among the big three. However, almost all of Nintendo's franchises were well-represented by the end of that generation. It has enough good games to merit owning an N64 in 2020.

[Anonymous No.6479169]

>>6479043
Fucking redditors are trying to ruin the SNES on me with their obsessive masturbation to the SNES and visceral hatred of the N64 and Sega Genesis.

[Anonymous No.6479183]

>>6478638
>>>6468624 (OP)
>I remember the Nintendo fans anger at this issue when I visited the Next Generation forums back in the day. A whole lot of "NG is a secret Sony organ"

And they were right. The gaming media were obsessed with Sony and repeated Sony's marketing claims as gospel. They savagely attacked Nintendo and Sega, and Sega of America themselves fed into the Sega-bashing because they were hijacked by Sony plant Bernie Stolar. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony were hiring hookers to fuck game journos for positive press. The original gamergate!

[Anonymous No.6479185]

>>6478445
>>>6473085
>PS2 sold as a DVD player. Very few people used it for games
For the first couple years, sure. Not after GTA III though.

[Anonymous No.6479192]

>>6470281
>Argentina
That's not bad actually, there are no mags from the 4th gen but fuck it, those had the shittiest info

[Anonymous No.6479193]

>>6479192
>not liking early club nintendo, top kids and action games

[Anonymous No.6479201]

>>6473129
Literally all the PS1 chuds you talk to will have the same list: MGS, Boob Raider, Resident Evil, FF7, Tekken 3, etc. All the weakest versions of games you can play elsewhere (Saturn, PC, Bleemcast, etc.) PlayStation was just a souped up 3DO: no first party games of note, and all the good games are better on other platforms. There were no good exclusives, and there was no reason to own a PlayStation unless you were too young to own a decent PC.

[Anonymous No.6479202]

>>6479193
Can't disagree with a pic of the most based man alive

[Anonymous No.6479210]

>>6470950
apparently the writer does not understand the concept of 'tfwnogf'

[Anonymous No.6479225]

>>6469017
I think it's the failure of the N64DD to materialize. Lots of their internal development groups were working on N64DD titles.

[Anonymous No.6479853]

>>6470281
Someone who translates the famitsu interviews? I could host them.

[Anonymous No.6479862]

>>6478638
>Claud

[Anonymous No.6479873]

>>6468624
Ofc it’s true, be realistic, most of the good games came from Rare. Remove Rare from the N64 and you mostly have no games.

[Anonymous No.6479889]

Doesn't matter. PSX had both quantity and quality over n64.

[Anonymous No.6479893]

>>6479889
N64 = Best 3D games
Saturn = Best 2D games
And in some cases, N64 got great 2D games (Wonder Project J2) and Saturn got great 3D games (PD Zwei)
PS1 is just the mediocre middle-ground console, jack of all trades master of none.

[Anonymous No.6479896]

>>6479893
>N64 = Best 3D games

Cope much.

[Anonymous No.6479901]

>>6479896
Nice reddit spacing, and yeah you will have to cope with the fact that a system that came out in mid-1996 is better than a system that came out in late 1994 when it comes to 3D games.

[Anonymous No.6479902]

>>6479901

[Anonymous No.6479905]

>>6479901
okay

[Anonymous No.6479913]

>>6479902
What's the problem? He's a vampire on the N64 version.
>>6479905
If only the PlayStation could actually display those slightly bigger textures without wobbling and fluttering, right? Good thing N64, Dreamcast, PC and Gamecube versions exist. I bet a Saturn port would even have been better than the PS1 version.
Seriously though, you Sonyggers are consistently the worse of the bunch. Not saying nintendrones are good, but you guys are without a doubt the worst.
Saturn>N64>>>>>>>>WobbleShovelwareStation

[Anonymous No.6479921]

>>6479893
>Saturn = Best 2D games
Never gets old.

[Anonymous No.6479923]

Why is it always playstation fanboys who are obsessed with other systems? They were also shitting up the thread about the slowdown improvement on SOTN Saturn.
It seems that, even though they claim to be content with their large quantity library, they still are somehow mad about other systems getting good games too.

[Anonymous No.6479926]

>>6479921
>muh transparency
Now talk about all the missing content of Mega Man 8 on Playstation

[Anonymous No.6479930]

>>6479923
Unlike Sega or Nintendo, Sony isn't a video game company, but a mega corporation.
Their fans reflect that, they're corporate drones, not actually video game fans.

[Anonymous No.6479932]

>>6479889
>PSX
Play Station Xcrement?

[Anonymous No.6479938]

>>6479893
>Saturn = Best 2D games

[Anonymous No.6479941]

>>6479913
>I bet a Saturn port would even have been better than the PS1 version.

Luckily for you, you seem to be living in a fantasy world anyway. You've been BTFO'd by screenshots, actual photographic facts so now go fuck yourself and keep your shitty ass nigger opinions to yourself.

[Anonymous No.6479943]

[Anonymous No.6480046]

imagine still being salty over sony gatecrashing your industry and actually owning the next two generations

[Anonymous No.6480052]

>>6470409
>What if you liked 2D fighting games? JRPGs? Shmups?
Then you were a friendless incel and Nintendo didnt want you as a customer.

[Anonymous No.6480060]

>>6480052
>Then you were a friendless incel and Nintendo didnt want you as a customer.
But Nintendo needed pokemon fans to stay alive.

[Anonymous No.6480261]

>>6479902
>N64 version rushed by a dying publisher
>PSX version released one full year later
>Inferior in many ways
>At least they got the mirrors right

[Anonymous No.6480263]

>>6479905
The amount of detail is almost comical when compared to these things in motion in real hardware

[Anonymous No.6480440]

I recall that most 3rd party games couldn’t get the “camera” controls quite right, whereas Mario 64 (a launch title) was at least above average in that regard. Certain levels would allow you to use the C-buttons for fully 360 camera rotation and zooming.

Dumb question but why didn’t Nintendo just provide developers with like <camera-controls.h> having everything used for Mario 64? It seemed as though every developer had to reinvent the wheel on basic stuff.

Why didn’t Nintendo

[Anonymous No.6480453]

>>6479902
>>6480261
See >>6480440
Mario 64 had working mirrors. You could even view the turtle holding the camera. Again, why didn’t Nintendo provide 3rd party devs with like <reflections-in-mirrors.h> ?

Ditto the way 2nd party dev Rareware was just ahead of the curve on development, like Perfect Dark got special effects and visuals out of the console that would have seemed impossible during the first 1-2 years of the console’s lifetime. Why didn’t Nintendo like buy the engine or whatever it’s called and release it?

yes, before you point out the obvious, i have 1st year programming student level knowledge

[Anonymous No.6480456]

>>6468985
The pack in the competition was selling? Keith Courage, Mario Bro’s./Duck Hunt. Altered Beast was pretty awesome if you look at it like that.

[Anonymous No.6480767]

>>6479941
Mad Sonygger.
>>6479938
>>6479943
Many of those have better versions on Saturn.

[Anonymous No.6481459]

>>6480453
>why didn’t Nintendo provide 3rd party devs with like <reflections-in-mirrors.h> ?
reflections back then were often done simply by actually making a mirrored version of the surrounding geometry behind a semi-transparent panel (the mirror)
it's why there's cases of not everything being mirrored correctly, like particle effects in mario 64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3Hlmi1-3A

[Anonymous No.6481462]

>>6468758
Altered Beast on Genesis rocks, especially with two players. The haters can keep on seething.

[Anonymous No.6481465]

>>6481462
>>6468758
Agreed. The hate Altered Beast gets is mostly history revisionism, but I can see the roots of said revisionism started there in shitty western "journalism"

[Anonymous No.6482965]

>>6481465
I was there, the game is shit. It's 10 minutes long and no one rated it. 'Wise from your grave' was the only good part.

[Anonymous No.6482974]

>>6482965
Fake news

[Anonymous No.6482980]

>>6481459
Some N64 games did do 'proper reflections'. I think they were just render-to-textures with some environmental mapping applied.

[Anonymous No.6483127]

>>6482965
I didn't care much for it back then either. This thread is the first time I've read people say it's a good game.

[Anonymous No.6483158]

>>6468631
>>6468643
what a great fucking interview. nice to see such a good journalism and such an attitude from the interviewee in retro vidya field.

[Anonymous No.6484371]

>>6470326
>The average kid owned like 15
UMM PIRACY?
if you were in mexico you owned ALL THE GAMES
>t N64 owner who missed out

[Anonymous No.6484393]

>>6470326
i got a playstation in 2000 and in less than 2 years i was renting and burning them by the spindle
probably had close to 100 discs by the time i stopped playing it regularly
i don't know if i could even pick out /only/ 15 of my favourites

[Anonymous No.6484408]

>>6470950
More info on this?

[Anonymous No.6484902]

>>6482980
Define proper reflection

[Anonymous No.6484909]

>>6484902
presumably anything which involves the mirror image to be a sampling of what you'd get if each ray started at the viewer and reflected off of the mirror to another object
a render-to-texture of a properly placed camera should be pretty accurate

this is as opposed to a mirror which is say, a pre-rendering of the environment, or a false wall with a pre-mirrored environment actually behind it, etc

[Anonymous No.6484928]

>>6479921

The Saturn could do transparency effects just fine, Burning Rangers and Sonic R are two examples.

[Anonymous No.6486184]

>>6472506
>Dreamcast sales were better in Japan
Nope
https://segaretro.org/History_of_the_Sega_Dreamcast/Decline_and_legacy#Sales

[Anonymous No.6486187]

>>6473031
>Only weird loner teenage dudes wanted to play playstation
>>6478445
>PS2 sold as a DVD player. Very few people used it for games
How is it possible to be this retarded?

[Anonymous No.6486285]

>>6484928
>just fine
Have you played Sonic R?

[Anonymous No.6486423]

>>6469691
Nice, they really opened their pretentious ass in the end.

[Anonymous No.6486432]

>>6470326
Holy mother of BASED. This is very true.
Even little kids had their school life and things to do, not everything was 100% gaming life and you couldn't buy everything at that time.

[Anonymous No.6486462]

>>6479938
I love these webms.

[Anonymous No.6486486]

>>6486432
>I don't even *like* video games enough to care about Nintendo's lackluster library!

Heh, ever heard the story of the fox and the grapes, nintendrone?

[Anonymous No.6486493]

>>6486486
>Heh, ever heard the story of the fox and the grapes, nintendrone?
Not him, but yeah that's a common story on /v/, every time Nintendo gets a japanese exclusive Sony fans want.

[Anonymous No.6486507]

>>6479201
Owning a decent PC at the time where Playstation stomped both Sega and Nintendo 2 times Where do you came From?

[Anonymous No.6486559]

64 GAMES FOR THE N64

007: The World Is Not Enough
1080° Snowboarding
Animal Crossing
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Beetle Adventure Racing!
Blast Corps
Body Harvest
Bomberman 64
Castlevania
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Diddy Kong Racing
Doom 64
Duke Nukem 64
Extreme-G
F-Zero X
Gex 64: Enter the Gecko
Goemon's Great Adventure
GoldenEye 007
Harvest Moon 64
Hexen
Jet Force Gemini
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Golf
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Mega Man 64
Mischief Makers
Mortal Kombat 4
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Paper Mario
Perfect Dark
Pilotwings 64
Pokémon Puzzle League
Pokémon Snap
Pokémon Stadium
Pokémon Stadium 2
Rainbow Six
Resident Evil 2
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
San Francisco Rush 2049
Shadow Man
Sin and Punishment
Snowboard Kids
Snowboard Kids 2
Space Station Silicon Valley
Star Fox 64
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros.
Tetrisphere
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Turok 3: Shadows of Oblivion
Turok: Rage Wars
Wipeout 64
WWF No Mercy

[Anonymous No.6486560]

>>6470417

You have to be literally retarded to have typed this garbage.

[Anonymous No.6486563]

>>6470417
Based.
Saturn shits all over the Ps1, even when it comes to 3D games.

[Anonymous No.6486570]

>>6470386
Nintendo fans grew up to be man children and trannies, addicted to cartoon children’s games and nostalgia. Case in point look at the audience that still gets hype for the Nintendo Switch today and their arrested development.

Meanwhile Sony and Sega players typically branched our into other interests- sports, cars, fucking women- and got families and careers in upper management.

[Anonymous No.6486583]

>>6468631
>one Saturn title in the top 10
What the fuck? Which one?

[Anonymous No.6486592]

>>6486570
In my experience, there's a distinction between people who consume retro-only systems and games, and people who consume post-2000s stuff.
The former are well-adjusted individuals, and mostly stick to Sega and Nintendo.
Sony, I don't think they could be called people. Robots, maybe? Slaves of a corporation.
They are the ones who get cucked and don't mind it.
Older Sega and Nintendo chads don't engage in console wars, because they can see most of it was American marketing, and there's good games on both Sega and Nintendo systems.
As for people who decided to consume modern, post-2000s videogames... they're doomed to a world of not getting laid, and not getting good jobs.

[Anonymous No.6486653]

>>6486592
indeed. there are exceptions of course, I have fond memories of playing goldeneye: rogue agent. but most non-retro industry games are consumerist trash made for those with a slave mentality.

[Anonymous No.6486906]

>>6470536
>>6470549
>waah stop talking about the N64 in an N64 thread

[Anonymous No.6486907]

stop liking the 64

[Anonymous No.6487467]

>>6484928
i read about how sonic r did transparent pop-in, it was a pretty cool trick which could only be used for very specific purposes
using that as a way to say that the saturn could do transparency "just fine" is the biggest stretch i've heard this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdD0GvVRSMc