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Being nintencel OoT was my favourite game growing up, but I was always jealous of PS for FF7 cause cloud seemed cool and it was celebrated. FF7 was released Jan 1997, OoT Nov 1998, but for some reason I always considered them the titans of their platforms for quality experiences (I'd argue over MGS, Mario, Crash etc.). Recently beat FF7 and honestly it's amazing and I think a better story over OoT hands down, but still reluctant to say it's a better game.

Was there ever fandom beef between the two or PS/Nintendo splits over which game was better? There was mario v sonic and mario v crash but was there ever a Link v Cloud longstanding rivalry in terms of their quality?

Which do you think is better and why?

>> No.6466738
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6466738

>>6466735
Yes, of course there was beef between the two, still is

>> No.6466747

I like both.
They're two completely different experiences.
The only common feature between them is the main hero is blond.

>> No.6466751

Not even comparable. FF7 is a traditional RPG with turn-based battles, and even though you move your characters around with the illusion that it's 3D, you're just moving 3D models on a 2D pre-rendered graphics (which OOT did, but only in very few places, like the castle market... and that's basically it for big open areas that aren't the inside of houses or stores).
OOT is a fully 3D action game with real-time combat.
There may be a beef, or there may be not, I don't know, but if there is, it's very stupid.
I was around 12 at the time, and I don't remember any beef though. Maybe I just didn't know any console warriors, most people just wanted to play video games, not argue over companies.

>> No.6466769

>>6466751
I mean your right but.....that didn't stop 12 year old me from dropping OOT mid-game once I played the first 2 hours of FF7. I'm 35 now and still never went back to beat it

>> No.6466776

One is a regular rpg and one is arpg so you can’t really compare them

>> No.6466778

>>6466769
Your loss, although it's never too late.
Both are great games, just not even in the same genre.
I never really cared much for turn-based combat though, so it took me a while to finally cave in and play FF7.

>> No.6466787

>>6466735
Yeah people would compare Ocarina to FF7 all the time. Also people compared CTR to Mario Kart and WipeOut to F-Zero, though the PS games there are more just imitations than naturally occuring instances. and Spyro to Banjo.

I would say overall Ocarina was more highly rated, consistently and by more people, but FF7 is also very highly rated.

>> No.6466797

They were fundamentally different games and they came out damn near 2 years apart. I pretty much stuffed my whole defining 90s relationship in that exact time gap. People were not comparing OoT to FF7.

>> No.6466823

>>6466751
Have you ever ridden a chocobo or flew around the world in the highwind? The overworld in ff7 is better than Hyrule field and I love both of these games. Say what you want about ff7s story, at least it was original. Mm also stole the whole moon schtick from ff7s meteor. Though I still love oot and mm, imho ff7 is better.

>> No.6466829

>>6466823
Yeah I did those, still not the same as exploring the fully 3D map in OOT.
If you ask me about my favorite maps in RPGs specifically, I'll go with Dragon Quest III. Best overworld.

>> No.6466831

>>6466735
Similar story only minus the stupid company war nonsense. I played FF7 for the first time like 6 years ago (so way after it came out) and I was honestly blown away with how fucking good it was even despite the hype. Like I legit think FF7 is a master piece.

Also why would you have a war between OOT and FF7 anyways? They're completely different styles of games. Mario and Sonic / crash were at least both platformers

>> No.6466837

>>6466829
FF7s world map has more to uncover than hyrule field which was always disappointingly empty and came off as padding. Frankly the world map in oot could be represented almost entirely in 2d and the experience wouldn't change at all.

>> No.6466838

>>6466776
One is a regular rpg and the other is an action adventure game

>> No.6466842

>>6466751

Silly guy of course they're comparable, which one do you like better (aka the point of the thread)?

>> No.6466843

>>6466837
>Frankly the world map in oot could be represented almost entirely in 2d and the experience wouldn't change at all.
How would you work out places that have verticality? Remember, in OOT, you can climb, jump, etc.
But again, this discussion has no real meaning because we're talking about completely different kind of games.
When it comes to RPGs, I preferred the way DQIII did the overworld to FF7's.

>> No.6466848

What's with autists and having to pit everything against each other to establish some kind of hierarchy?

>> No.6466849

>>6466735
>Being nintencel
Falseflag thread. OP is trying to pitch for 5th gen console war.
Unoriginal and boring.

>> No.6466850

>>6466787

Spyro and Banjo? Was that widespread? Never played any of the spyro games but was considering getting the trilogy to scratch the banjo itch, worth it?

>> No.6466851

>>6466849
This.
Also, if I have to guess, OP probably never played neither of these games. He's probably just a /v/tard that's hyping the VII remake and is trying to drag his console wars antics to /vr/ by LARPing as having been alive back in the day.

>> No.6466854

>actual action adventure video game
>storybook press X to continue

>> No.6466865

I haven't finished FF7, and I've tried a few times over the years... Idk why because I loved FF6.

>> No.6466868

>>6466865
How far do you typically get?

>> No.6466870

>>6466769
Holy shit you are gay

>> No.6466875

>>6466850
i played the first one, but so long ago I cant really remember. It isnt as immersive or as well-made as Banjo Kazooie but its a perfectly good game.

I really miss 3D platformers. Early into 6th gen you still got some; a new Crash Bandicoot came out in 2002, a new Spyro and a new IP by Acclaim called Vexx that went nowhere. And Mario Sunshine.
And after that, it was done. It was almost as if developers had the idea to keep going with them into 6th gen, saw the poor reception straightaway in 2002, and just stopped.

Every game just became some kind of FPS after that. "Videogames" is basically synonymous with "shooting games" now. It annoys me.

>> No.6466878

>>6466870
To be fair, he's probably just bullshitting. Don't believe he's either 35, or that he played the games back in the day.

>> No.6466884

OP here

>>6466738
>>6466787
vs
>>6466797

Who was really around to take stock at the time, and why do you think there was/wasn't beef?


>>6466851
You didn't have to guess

>>6466831
Fair point on the genres, I think there's a "platform rep" aspect to both of these games as some of the highest rated classics of their time that warrants the comparison - Not head to head but holistically as an experience.

>>6466849
Explain your anger, hopefully this question is more nuanced than I had PS so I say FFVII. I say nintencel to expose my bias, then say I RECENTLY (no nostalgia) finished FF7 and think it's amazing and at least in the same tier.

>>6466823
I respect the answer, the reason I started the thread was to see what the terrain was like when they were both released both between fans and the companies, and to see what people thought about the games. I see both at top games of all time lists all the time, and honestly after playing FF7 I can see an argument for either. I'm nostalgia blinded for OoT so it's probably still on top for me, but FF7 holds up damn good in 2020 and may be a better game objectively IMO (story wise at least).

>> No.6466897

>>6466884
>Explain your anger
Not angry at all, bored, more than anything.
If you aren't shitposting, then I dunno... what do you expect? You already know /v/ has a long history of sony vs nintendo console wars, and they will use absolutely everything to shit on each other. How is this thread any different?
As many anons already said these 2 games are not comparable, and there wasn't any visible "beef" back then. People enjoyed both. If you had a N64, you played OOT, if you had a PS, you played FF VII, and if you were an idort, you played both. If you had friends who had the other console, you'd be able to play, at least for a bit, the other game you couldn't have at home.
Kids who would actually do console war IRL, I don't remember any. I started seeing those online, in the 2000s.

>> No.6466912

>>6466897
Console wars weren't a thing when I was a kid either, at least where I lived. Maybe Texas just has mostly nintendofags or something.
Even in the PS2 and Gamecube era where I actually started seeing multiple systems I remember me and my friends just wanting both systems so we could play all the cool games instead of latching onto one system and declaring everything else bad

>> No.6466925

>>6466735
They're not really comparable. But I will say that I found OoT to have a more polished presentation. I just recently beat FFVII and was shocked at how shit the translation was. The weird minigames and bizarre cutscenes cheapened the experience a bit as well. Still a very good game, I just think that OoT feels more "professional" (I guess).

>> No.6466932

>>6466897
I can see why people feel that way but it ain't a shitpost, but you still haven't answered the question (if you've played both), which do you LIKE better (subjectively)?

>>6466912
Wasn't really like that for me either, I could see it a bit in mid 2000s with the GCN generation, but in n64 to PS it was mainly appreciate what you got and envy/respect the other half.

>> No.6466938

>>6466932
>>6466912
>>6466897
Console wars weren't a thing between 5th and 6th gen. It was a sorta big deal with the 3rd gens (infamously the whole sonic vs mario and we do what nintendon't and all that) and somewhat the forth but died out after that and then got reignited in the seventh because of the 360. So if you grew up during the fifth and sixth then you mostly just dodged the autism

>> No.6466948

>>6466735
Strange you thought that. I had the N64 and hated my cousin’s ugly PS1 games. FF7 was especially ugly

>> No.6466951

>>6466948
>it's strange that people have different opinions
autism, everybody

>> No.6466954

>>6466884
>Who was really around to take stock at the time, and why do you think there was/wasn't beef?
I was certainly around back then and I can't prove a negative but I challenge you to find any news articles or even usenet posts by non-idiots comparing the two. At most it was a case of "N64 finally got a Zelda game, huh? Will a Sonic Saturn game materialize?"

>> No.6466957

>>6466938
I remember when Sony/Xbox straight up said people should have two consoles, the Wii and "Our" console, so you're definitely on the money about 7th

>> No.6466960

>>6466951
>>6466948

For transparency, I'm sure I saw the motorcycle cut scene and thought that's how the game played. but when the reviews and fan gushing over it came out it was mostly because of that.

>> No.6466981

When I was younger I thought OoT was like "For me" and FF7 was for older kids. To be fair, I was probably right, as a kid FF7 would have confused and bored the hell out of me.

>> No.6467052

>>6466878
Why would you not believe that a 35 year old is on a retro gaming board? And why the fuck would someone lie about NOT beating a game?

>> No.6467095

>>6466875
the most notable 6th gen platformers were the "Jak and Daxter" and "Ratchet and Clank" games
i find it strange you'd bring up 6th gen platformers and not mention either

>> No.6467110

>>6466948
even psx owners knew that ff7 was ugly, heck even square knows they underestimated the psx
people certainly don't play it for the graphics

>> No.6467114

>>6466797
>People were not comparing OoT to FF7
You're right to have "clown" in your name.

>>6466954
I distinctly remember a Nintendo Power issue that did a summer joke article about what's "in" and what's "out." Ocarina of Time was "in," FF7 was "out." If you're so concerned with unearthing ancient print that may or may not exist in the digital space like it proves anything, enjoy Googling it.

>> No.6467124

>>6467114
>I distinctly remember a Nintendo Power issue that did a summer joke article about what's "in" and what's "out." Ocarina of Time was "in," FF7 was "out."
I would believe that because it'd go in line with the "get N or get out" marketing tag Nintendo was using at the time.
Likely a jab back because Sony (who handled the FF VII marketing in USA) took a jab at Nintendo with the famous magazine ad that said something like "shoot down the guys who are still using carts" or something like that.
Still though, marketing schemes like that doesn't mean actual people were doing console wars about it.
If anything, I remember thinking Ape Escape was like Sony's attempt at ripping off OOT (mostly because of the way the items were displayed on the upper-right part of the screen, like in OOT), but then when I played the game I realized it was totally different.

>> No.6467128

>>6466838
>action adventure game
Action adventure games only have one route. In ARPGs like Zelda you can choose the order of your quests/dungeons. Among other differences.

>> No.6467193

>>6466981
I can replay OoT and I've attempted to play FF7 for the first time and it bores the hell out of me. I've never gotten past the first Kalm flashback after leaving Midgar, it just loses all momentum and even all the parts up to the Shinra raid have so much jank and shitty map navigation and being bombarded with random turn-based battles.

>> No.6467220

>>6467110
FF7 looks great, what are you talking about? The overworld models?

>> No.6467228

>>6467220
pretty much all the 3d models

>> No.6467279

>>6467114
>Nintendo Power
I am dubious that Nintendo Power even acknowledged the existence of FF7 but it's obviously a Nintendo marketing tool either way

>>6467124
This. Wow, a two year old game is starting to wane in popularity. What a scoop!

>> No.6467293

>>6467052
>Why would you not believe that a 35 year old is on a retro gaming board?
Where did he say 35 year-olds don't get on retro gaming boards? He's saying that that the guy is lying about being 35 to sound legitimate.
>And why the fuck would someone lie about NOT beating a game?
For the very reason he did? To "win" a console war.

>> No.6467512

>>6467279
Yeah but that validates the existence of the dick measuring between the two, even if ironic or chirpy.

And People compare SM64 to Banjo Kazooie all the time. (or vice versa)

>> No.6467675

>>6466957
That was Microsoft. For PS3's infamous 599 us dollars launch price you could buy a 360 and a Wii. It was called Wii60 even though it wasn't a big thing. That generation loved to shit on PS3, mostly deserved but some uncalled for.

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>>6467124
So good.

>> No.6467687

>>6467680
>repeats the same joke basically three (3) times.
What a terrible ad, lmao

>> No.6467691

>>6467687
Murricans are dumb.

>> No.6467721

>>6467680
Sony had to go aggro. They were paying for advertisement of a big profile, expensive IP that wasn't even theirs.

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>> No.6467890

>>6467886
Based old timer.

>> No.6468047

>>6466769
Forgot to say youre still a virgin and living in your mothers basement.

>> No.6468226

>>6467886

"The castles" lmao this is quality old school internet culture

>> No.6469087

>>6467886
>check home.inreach.com/riffel/ct/pics/magus.gif on wayback to see this character
>it's literally magus from ct

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>>6469087
Pretty amazing that wayback machine archived that page.

>> No.6470627

i honestly can't wait for the shitflinging when OoT gets the FF7 remaster treatment very soon

>> No.6470670

>>6470627

Do you want that? I think 3ds kind of realized it's full potential, but a whole alternative story could be pretty good

>> No.6470990

>>6467890
>1999
>writes like he's 10 years old
na, i'd say he's pretty young, actually

>> No.6471000

>>6466735
OOT is much better than FF7

>> No.6471214

>>6466823
>moon/meteor
No they both took it from the dinosaur extinction rock we were taught at school.

>> No.6472891

>>6471000

why

>> No.6472918

>>6472891
Because I'm a nincel and I had a terrible n64 only childhood because my parents hate me

>> No.6474385

i just beat ff7 in april and i'm a zelda fan.

they are both masterpieces and incomparable... but the story in ff7 is way better and the game itself is harder and more mature than oot (mature but not darker)

>> No.6475160

>>6474385
This whole incomparable thing is bs, you can compare whatever you want to people just like sitting on the fence because they don't want to make a hard choice and do some critical thinking.

I agree the story in FF7 is way better, I'd argue it's much darker too dealing with themes of self-identity, insanity, ridicules the trope of the cool mysterious protag, and explores real impactful change. I'd argue OoT is better only because you feel more invested in the character of link, as you witness his growth first hand. In FF7 Cloud is an unreliable narrator which is more interesting and plays with your own perception by basically showing you were lying to yourself throughout.

The fact that Cloud ISN'T that elite Soldier guy you thought, and had infact been rejected previously makes his heroism more impressive vs Link's "Chosen one" status. A reject beats the god in a well earned way while involving many other smaller plots along the way - Like RedXII's story, Barrett's, Vincent's, Zack's, The pilot's, and even Cait Sith's. Even though they do the trope of "Power of frienship", that scene when they have everyone leave to say their goodbye's and bait that no one came back was some powerful shit, filling you with that determination and optimism going into the final fight.

In my opinion I like OoT more but I think FF7 is the better story if not game, because of it's intricacies and story telling elements that still stand the test of time. OoT if you never played it, can't have it's story stand alone - FF7 if someone read the plot could be itself a classic story in many other formats.

TLDR: I like OoT more, but think FF7 is the better game

>> No.6475601

>>6475160
i actually think the same, on the other hand OoT its always good and consistent,FF7 isnt.