How do those min consoles compare to the real thing? Are they any better than emulation? NES, PSX, Gensis and even Neo Geo have something out now

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Anonymous Sun May 17 22:51:07 2020 No.6439649 [Reply] [Original]

How do those min consoles compare to the real thing? Are they any better than emulation? NES, PSX, Gensis and even Neo Geo have something out now

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 22:51:53 2020 No.6439653 >>6439649 >Are they any better than emulation? They are emulation and they run like they are emulated.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 22:55:22 2020 No.6439664 The only one worth buying is the Coleco. It's also kind of a bitch to find.

Anonymous Sun May 17 23:35:37 2020 No.6439737
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They're all emulators.

The PS1 is the worst by far. It runs a freely available, open-source stock emulator (pcsx rearmed, IIRC) that isn't optimized for any of the games, and several of the games are inexplicably the PAL versions for no reason other than sheer incompetence by whichever unknown pajeet team made it. Awful facsimile console, but its hardware is good enough that it makes for a decent emulation box once it's hacked open.

The Genesis and TG16 minis are using in-house emulators that were optimized for the specific games on the console by the company M2. M2 has previously worked on several of Sega's game compilations. They are very accurate but they're not 100% perfect due to game specific optimizations and using them as the emulator for other games on the same console once hacked leads to mixed results.

The NES and SNES use the in-house emulators made by Nintendo for their virtual consoles. They are, not surprisingly since Nintendo themselves are emulating their own consoles, very accurate with the emulators optimized for specific games. However, because they're game optimized, there are a small handful of games that straight up won't run at all because Nintendo never bothered to implement that feature for virtual consoles (notably any Super Scope game, among some others).

The Neo Geo minis (the mini arcade plus the arcade stick) are using an optimized version of Final Burn Alpha for their games. Theoretically, if a game can run on FBA then it can run on one of these, but it was much easier to hack the Arcade Stick Pro so there's less info about compatibility with the original mini but so far, so good.

Anonymous Sun May 17 23:36:11 2020 No.6439740

>>6439649
They're awesome to own and collect. Most of them are hackable such as the SNES, Genesis NES and PSX. The SNES, NES and Genesis are very close to the real thing. The PSX mini isn't as great, but only get it if it's cheap enough. I bought mine for $20.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 01:52:54 2020 No.6440091 >>6439653 So how the hell wasn't Sega or Nintendo able to make this shit 100% accurate? They couldn't just reverse engineer some old consoles out there to learn how they work? They don't even have the blueprints to this shit no more either?

Anonymous Mon May 18 02:08:33 2020 No.6440136

>>6440091
Sega is so woefully incompetent they still don't even know how to emulate their own Sega CD, which is why they outsource their ports and stuff to folks like M2. For Nintendo see >>6439737 They have a general emulator but they emulate game-by-game so it's not a "one size fits all" solution.

Anonymous Mon May 18 02:14:26 2020 No.6440149

>>6439737
>>6440136
I wouldn't say Nintendo's 100% accurate either. It's such a minor thing, but like most emulators before bsnes it still does the "background blinks out when you touch a fuzzy" on Yoshi's Island. Still, for what the emulators are, they do their job, but you need specific patches for a good number of games if you try to hack a SNES Classic with Hakichi or the like and use Canoe rather than Snes9x or whatever. The takeaway from most of these things is that the emulation will be perfectly fine for casual and low-expectation consumers, but you're still running emulated games onto LCD TVs with the problems that entails. If you can make an emulatorbox of your own for cheaper then all the power to you, I personally just HDMI my computer to my TV, but you have to be a real diehard enthusiast to get the full grasp of the little problems. Unless it's the aforementioned PS1 Classic, I have no idea why I still got this thing just to hack it only to find out how much of a bitch it is to hack without specific requirements.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 02:27:40 2020 No.6440171 They all suck ass, especially when sound replication is concerned. There's much more accurate emulators available, namely mesen, bsnes/higan, genesis gx, mame, mednafen, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 03:34:02 2020 No.6440280 >>6439649 >Are they any better than emulation they're literally just running public domain emulators on a SBC with a custom frontend, anon... enjoy your $100 USD cheap plastic cuck-sized case

Anonymous Mon May 18 04:21:42 2020 No.6440373

>>6440136
>Don't know how to emulate their own Sega CD
They did it in Sonic Gems Collection on the GameCube. It's the 32X they don't know how to emulate, and honestly I can see why they don't bother to figure it out since Chaotix is the only game they'd ever bother releasing again had they known how to do it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 04:26:48 2020 No.6440382 >>6440373 They didn't, actually. They used the PC versions of Sonic CD and Sonic the Fighters. Even back then the Sega CD had perfectly playable emulation so they've just always been stupid fucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 04:27:03 2020 No.6440383 >>6439649 They all have input lag, kind of a lot of it too, so they are mostly shelf decorations.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 04:41:17 2020 No.6440409 >>6440382 Huh, nevermind then. Makes a lot of sense considering they did the same with Sonic R, for the best though since the Saturn version is substantially worse

Anonymous Mon May 18 04:42:12 2020 No.6440413

Main draw for me is that they generally have VERY accurate controllers that feel almost exactly like OEM pads but with modern inputs, without the lag of actually using an OEM pad and converter. I generally leave the units themselves in a cupboard and use the controllers for RetroArch.

Anonymous Mon May 18 04:52:56 2020 No.6440431
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I bought the SNES, NES, MD, PSX, and PC Engine ones mostly for shelf decoration, but also because I go on these very long yearly holidays to visit my girlfriend's family, and then I bring a few of them so I can plug and play a few and discover some new games for that specific system.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 05:09:10 2020 No.6440458 >>6440409 >for the best though since the Saturn version is substantially worse sorta. Saturn version has a bunch of effects that the PC version simply didn't recreate at all. as a playable version of the game though, PC beats it out yeah.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 06:04:34 2020 No.6440554 >>6440431 >multiple copies of starcraft 64

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 06:37:36 2020 No.6440603 >>6440280 >i literally don't know what public domain is zoom

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 10:29:23 2020 No.6440963 >>6439649 They are generally decent enough emulation. They are easy to hook up for people who didn't have the foresight to save their crt. They make decent collectables. They aren't perfect but good enough for most people to have a nostalgia trip.

Anonymous Mon May 18 10:47:38 2020 No.6441008

>>6439649
they're all gay emulators and disappointing. Remember the Radica Megadrive where they shrunk down the legit sega hardware to fit onto a tiny ass PCB then soldered on the ROMs in place of the cartridge reader. Why couldn't they have just done something like that again?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 10:49:47 2020 No.6441020 >>6441008 $

Anonymous Mon May 18 12:42:47 2020 No.6441315

>>6440149
The sad thing about Nintendo's emulation is that the open-source emulators are completely fine to use but Nintendo has such a die-hard and vigilante stance against anything regarding ROMs and emulators they just refuse to use anything but their own.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 18:11:19 2020 No.6442164 >>6440458 >bunch of effects are there others beyond the Radiant Emerald transparency?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 20:29:54 2020 No.6442506 >>6440431 God I wanna go back so badly

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 20:42:54 2020 No.6442538 >>6440091 I don't want 100% accurate. I want no sprite limits and no slowdowns. Sometimes emulation is better than the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 20:53:08 2020 No.6442559 >>6440091 Because that shit would actually take effort to develop, and producing long discontinued pieces would be an issue. These cuckboxes are cheap, low risk projects for companies to extract money from nostalgia tards.

Anonymous Mon May 18 20:58:00 2020 No.6442563

Just get a MiSTer. It's exponentially better and does everything except the PlayStation games better than or as good as the original consoles. Some cores can be overclocked and have sprite limits removed. Tons of scaling options if you are playing on an HDTV. Plus I/O board for playing on a CRT, adapters for original controllers, etc... They just added PC Engine CD support which seems great so far.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 20:58:01 2020 No.6442564 >>6442559 You say that but realize that modern gaming has become so bad that people would rather shell out for emulation boxes despite ready access to ROMs and emulators available on the internet.

Anonymous Tue May 19 00:40:47 2020 No.6443127

>>6441315
sad? Why would Nintendo even use those emulators? Sega doesn't. The only one that used an open source emulator was the Playstation one, and it sucked, It has nothing to do with that since even Nintendo would use Roms that were dumped by other people.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 06:22:45 2020 No.6443576 >>6443127 assuming you meant to write "nintendo wouldn't use roms that were dumped by other people", this is false https://www.technobuffalo.com/nintendo-virtual-console-super-mario-rom

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 11:21:15 2020 No.6444017 >>6442563 >They just added PC Engine CD support which seems great so far. made Terraonion seethe, so it's already great by default.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 12:36:31 2020 No.6444246 >>6443576 >If this is indeed what happened, though Top cope kid

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 12:39:28 2020 No.6444252 >>6442563 >>6444017 So, what you're saying is, you're the assholes I have to thank for the current sign-up wall IA threw up around the PC-E/CD disc images?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 12:41:09 2020 No.6444260 >>6439653 /thread

Anonymous Tue May 19 12:46:14 2020 No.6444275

>>6443127
>Why would Nintendo even use those emulators?
Because they're better than whatever shit emulators they've been using.
>The only one that used an open source emulator was the Playstation one, and it sucked
There were better options, Sony just chose the worst one that could run the cheapest hardware setup.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 12:47:41 2020 No.6444281 >>6442538 >I want no sprite limits and no slowdowns. Congrats, these emuboxes offer none of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 14:56:32 2020 No.6444682 >>6444281 Hence why I don't own one because I recognize it for the consumer normie trash that it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:04:37 2020 No.6445305 >>6444252 no idea what IA is. just noticed TO reeee'ing at the mister-PCE-CD-announcement on twitter

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:10:48 2020 No.6445323 >>6444252 >the current sign-up wall IA threw up around the PC-E/CD disc images? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sudokus

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:14:23 2020 No.6445332 >>6445305 Internet Archive, slick.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:16:56 2020 No.6445337 >>6439737 That was a lot of words, you could have just said "yes they're pointless romboxes for people addicted to wasting money and decorating their place with cringey bullshit"

Anonymous Tue May 19 18:17:41 2020 No.6445340

They all mostly suck with a couple exceptions. The ps classic is the only board with any decent power, it can play saturn/DC/N64 better than the rest but the UIs in any of the hacks suck.

The TG16 and Genesis mini have the best UIs but are underpowered.

Anonymous Tue May 19 18:22:22 2020 No.6445359
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>>6439649
WHY THE FUCK can't NeoGeo put out an actual plug and play system instead of some gimped handheld mini cabinet that's impractical? I would love to play some quick arcade matches with the lads here and there, come on SNK what the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:23:57 2020 No.6445364 >>6439649 What are the chances Sega making a Saturn mini? Hell even turbografx 16 got a mini why not saturn?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:25:59 2020 No.6445374 >>6445359 Just buy a wii or something like there's literally been options to emulate the neo geo out there for 20 years, any computer hardware you have access to can probably do it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:26:25 2020 No.6445376 >>6445359 The percentage of people who knew what the AES was or cared is probably tiny but a lot of normies recognize an arcade cabinet.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 18:27:28 2020 No.6445380 >>6445364 Less than fucking zero. Saturn emulation is trash and really nobody gives a fuck about the saturn except for a handful of boomer manchildren.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 19:00:35 2020 No.6445514 >>6444275 >Because they're better than whatever shit emulators they've been using. Are there any side by side comparisons?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 20:04:57 2020 No.6445714 >>6439737 that was awesome, thank you for your post anon. >>6439740 stop shilling ook-mAOH

>>	Anonymous Tue May 19 20:10:33 2020 No.6445723 >>6445374 Wii controllers are a gimmick, I would like an OEM game pad from SNK like what Nintendo put out with the SNES classic.

Anonymous Tue May 19 20:11:06 2020 No.6445725
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>>6445359
>getting about something not existing that already exists
Get a load of this brainlet.
They did. It also functions as a stand-alone arcade stick. Comes with something like 40 games.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 20 00:47:05 2020 No.6446426 >>6445714 >s-s-st-stop shilling t.Poorfag who can't afford any mini console.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 20 01:00:15 2020 No.6446457 File: 85 KB, 1871x582, emulator devs are the problem.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6441315 Anyone with a brain doesn't use community emulators in commercial projects because the community is full of scumbags.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 20 07:22:17 2020 No.6447103 >>6446457 >Anyone with a brain doesn't use community outside the adult table

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