/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6392918]

Been playing this and I've got a hankering for more rail shooters. What are your favourites?

[Anonymous No.6392925]

>>6392918
Have you played Omega Boost (PS1)? It's one of the most curious rail shooters out there. Normally you're sitting on a 2d plane, which is autoscrolling. In Star Fox you can control the speed at which the plane is moving, in Panzer Dragoon you can rotate your camera and aim anywhere. But you're still stuck on the 2d plane. But in Omega Boost you're riding inside a 3d sphere. The sphere autoscrolls on a rail, but you can freely fly inside of it. I haven't seen other rail shooters like that.

[Anonymous No.6392927]

>>6392918
The sequel to panzer dragoon, also gamera 2000 on the ps1.

[Anonymous No.6392929]

>>6392918
Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment are my personal favorites. If you can get your hands on it I hear PD Zwei is even better


>>6392925
>Omega Boost
I really hear people talk about this game often. it looks pretty, if I remember correctly was made by the same developers behind Gran Turismo. That's on the cheap side too, I hope to check it out one day yeah, but the people who do talk about it mainly just go "it's alright"

[Anonymous No.6392930]

>>6392925
I haven't, that sounds super interesting though if a bit jank

[Anonymous No.6392936]

REMINDER.
In rail shooters you must dodge bullets. They have nothing in common with light-gun games where you must hit targets before the timer runs out but can not dodge.

Star Fox: can dodge = is a rail shooter.
House of the Dead: can't dodge, must aim in time = is a shooting gallery (light-gun) game.
Panorama Cotton: can dodge, is a rail-shooter.
REZ: can't dodge, must shooter targets in time = is a shooting gallery game.

In rail shooters you control an avatar and must dodge as well as aim. In light-gun games you don't control an avatar and instead receive damage automatically when a timer runs out.

The game that often confuses people is Time Crisis which has an invincibility pedal. It's not dodging. You can just become invincible. You don't actually control an avatar and no collision detection with enemy attacks can occur.

[Anonymous No.6392938]

>>6392936
Guaranteed replies

[Anonymous No.6392940]

>6392936
rail shooter means you're on rails, commonly mistaken for 3d shooter which is what panzer dragoon is. rail shooters usually are light gun games.

[Anonymous No.6392945]

>>6392940
OP here, I do mean "panzer dragoon likes" which I thought was a rail shooter

[Anonymous No.6392946]

>>6392940
Rail-shooters ARE autoscrollers. From Gradius to Panzer Dragoon, these are are subgenres of the same on-rails (i.e. autoscrolling) shooter. As opposed to shooters where you explore freely.
Completely separate from that are light-gun / shooting gallery games.

[Anonymous No.6392949]

>>6392945
You are entirely correct. "Rail-shooter" is a synonym of "autoscroller". If a shooter takes you through the stage at a predetermiend pace, it's said to be on-rails.
Visually, light-gun games are sort of similar, but they have entirely different, completely unrelated gameplay.

[Anonymous No.6392989]

>anons started talking about light gun games
>now want to get into those
Oh no

[Anonymous No.6392994]

>>6392989
Pssst. Tired of jerking off to Elemental Gearbolt for the thousandth time? Looking for not retro on home consoNow give me your sister's phone number.

[Anonymous No.6392996]

>>6392994
Lol, retarded-ass text field broke my joke. Vampire Night on PS2 was the game.Not retro and not a rail shooter. Jsut a cool as fuck light-gun game nobody knows about.

[Anonymous No.6393000]

>>6392994
The only light gun game I remember playing was Point Blank ages ago, I'll check out those games though. Although as I understand it I have to get a CRT?

[Anonymous No.6393003]

>>6392940
3D Shooter is not a genre, Panzer Dragoon is a rail shooter.

[Anonymous No.6393004]

>>6393000
You can play home console ports with a controller or even a mouse.

[Anonymous No.6393007]

Well anyway post more "panzer dragoon likes" instead of arguing semantics

[Anonymous No.6393010]

>>6393007
There's one on MSX with a hot lady protagonist but it wasn't too good and I don't remember the name either, it started with A and had an x and/or l in it, I believe.

[Anonymous No.6393014]

Here is a list of all rail shooter games. At least the relevant ones.
https://railshooters.wordpress.com/
And personally, I'm looking forward for this Star Fox clone.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMeFdG1qyjY

>>6392936
Never thought about this. Good way to distinguish the two!

>>6392927
More of a Vanark dude myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQXSCDQs9yo

[Anonymous No.6393016]

>>6392918
>>6392927
I second Gamera 2000, OP.

[Anonymous No.6393017]

>>6393016
This looks super cool but due to my autism I'll play it after watching his film

[Anonymous No.6393020]

>>6393014
>Never thought about this. Good way to distinguish the two!
I mean, we may argue about which name is the worse misnomer, but at least let's fucking learn to tell the two fucking genres apart. And understand that REZ actually shares a genre with House of the Dead rather than Space Harrier.

[Anonymous No.6393031]

>>6392945
It's a simple mistake, like calling exploration platformers metroidvanias. Rail shooter is used very interchangeably with different kinds of games. Something like Panzer Dragoon or Space Harrier is like a classical shooting game translated to a 3D perspective. Also seriously play Zwei it's amazing.

[Anonymous No.6393034]

>>6393020
Yeah, that pops up in other genres too. Most genre names make little sense when you disect them too much. Just knowing what game play elements a given name refers to is what's important.

[Anonymous No.6393039]

>>6393017
I personally believe that not knowing why you have a giant flying space turtle as a companion along for the ride who provides artillery support enriches the experience. And when the game suddenly goes kaijuu face-off on you, mmmmhh...

[Anonymous No.6393040]

>>6393017
Good choice. The trilogy is great!

>>6393020
>>6392936
But how do you define gallery shooters like Cabal and Wild Gun? And what exactly is Sin and Punishment?

[Anonymous No.6393042]

>>6393031
Lol except that metroidvania is the accepted term for that style of game, silly as it is. "Exploration Platformer" is like the other guy calling Star Fox a 3D Shooter.

[Anonymous No.6393043]

>>6393031
Some Engrish on a game disc doesn't define its genre.

[Anonymous No.6393047]

>>6393031
To you, "on-rails shooter" feels closer to "light gun game" than to "autoscrolling shooter"? Really? I think you're not making any sense. Rail shooter is everything from Gradius to Panzer Dragoon to Sin and Punishment: shooting games that autoscroll.

[Anonymous No.6393049]

>>6393043
Yeah, the game play does!

>>6393047
> I think you're not making any sense
rail shooters take you to places on rails, sometimes literally like in the case of pokemon snap.

[Anonymous No.6393051]

>>6393049
>Yeah, the game play does!
In that case it is a rail shooter, 3D shooter is not a genre.

[Anonymous No.6393054]

>>6393047
Gradius is not a rail shooter you doofus.

[Anonymous No.6393056]

>>6393031
>calling your game "the greatest" on the disc
The absolute balls of these lads

[Anonymous No.6393062]

>>6393049
Rail shooters take you through stages on rails, whereas light-gun games may scroll a movie on the background, but it's still just timed targets popping up on shelves.

>>6393054
2d autoscrolling shooters are not normally called that, but they belong to the same genre. Gradius is to Space Harrier what Street Fighter II is to Virtua Fighter. Same genre, but in 2d/3d.

[Anonymous No.6393064]

>>6393056
That's 90s Sega of America for you. They thought they were extremely clever marketers, too.

[Anonymous No.6393078]

>>6393051
You aren't on rails however, see how you can move left and right? No rails.

[Anonymous No.6393079]

>>6393062
No, shmups and rail shooters are related but not the same genre. Most shmup fans don't even consider horis and verticals exactly the same genre, let alone rail shooters. See >>6393020 >>6393034

Anyways I have a longtime semi obsession with Space Harrier but this thread has made me start delving into Galaxy Force 2 again which always seemed cool but I'm busy playing other things. In glorious 3D thanks tp M2 it's been quite a treat this morning.

[Anonymous No.6393084]

>>6393078
Again genre names are almost never perfect. Just learn what it refers to. This is why we had massive fights of people wanting Zelda to be an RPG because you play the "role" of Link. Most of them ate arbitrary, Puzzle Games are rarely really puzzles, Beat em Up and Fighting Game could easily be switched and make as much sense. Learn what the terms actually mean, not what you think they should mean based on the words.

[Anonymous No.6393089]

>>6393078
>moving along a set path
>not on a rail

[Anonymous No.6393091]

>>6393079
You can make a case for Street Fighter II and Tekken not being the same genre too. But really, in Gradius you aim and dodge and the game autoscrolls you through stages; and the same applies to Space Harrier. Except that in Gradius you are on a 2d plane that autoscrolls through a 2d stage, whereas in Space harrier you are on a 2d plane that autoscrolls through a 3d stage.

[Anonymous No.6393098]

The Genesis and NES had some cool games, I wonder why the SNES and its all powerful mode7 never got much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOlaMqDyCeU

>>6393084
And in SMW I play the ROLE of Mario and in Star Fox as Fox McCloud so they must me ROLE playing games. I mean, you can even do a barrel ROLE in SF.

[Anonymous No.6393101]

>>6393078
The "on-rails" refers to you being autoscrolled through teh stage. As has been said above, in games like Star Fox you freely move on a 2d plane, but that 2d plane is scrolling on a rail (through a 3d space in this case).

[Anonymous No.6393103]

>>6392918
Always liked Deadly Tide, even tho it's not really what you would call a good game. Guess you could call it a Rebel Assault clone / rival?
It has elements of both rail shooters and gallery shooters. I leave it to /vr/ to decide where it fits.
Anyway, a mouse is still the superior input method for games like these. Wish there were more of em on PC.

[Anonymous No.6393108]

>>6393101
But rail shooters like time crisis and house of the dead have you locked into rails.... You can go up and down and side to side in space harrier. Is Donkey Kong Country a rail platformer?

[Anonymous No.6393113]

>>6393040
Wild Guns is not a gallery shooter at all, because you run, jump and dodge. It's in the same genre as Space Harrier, Star Fox and Panzer Dragoon.
The main difference is whether you actually move an avatar and dodge bullets--as opposed to lightgun/gallery shooters' "hitting targets before the timer runs out".

[Anonymous No.6393116]

>>6393108
>But rail shooters like time crisis and house of the dead have you locked into rails
Those are light gun games. You can't control direction because of that but both are rail shooters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_shooters

[Anonymous No.6393117]

>>6393108
They are gallery shooters where targets pop up on virtual shelves. There is a movie playing on the background, but it's generally irrelevant to gameplay.

[Anonymous No.6393123]

>>6393108
>Is Donkey Kong Country a rail platformer?
It's not fucking autoscrolling, is it.

>>6393116
Never cite Wikipedia as a source. At the moment, there are no authoritative sources for video game genre nomenclature. Logic and rational analysis is all we have.

[Anonymous No.6393124]

>>6393116
Ah, Wikipedia, the final frontier for approval!
Sorry, but rail shooter doesn't describe games like Rainbow Cotton. Cotton's not in a mine cart, she flies around freely, you just follow her along on her journey. 3D Shooter just makes so much more sense, because you move around in 3D space.

[Anonymous No.6393126]

>>6393116
Wikipedia calls half of adventure games "light novels" too. So? It's folk knowledge the website.

[Anonymous No.6393128]

>>6393123
>>6393124
https://www.giantbomb.com/rail-shooter/3015-320/games/
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RailShooter
https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Rail_shooters
3D shooter is not a genre.

[Anonymous No.6393131]

>>6393124
>Cotton's not in a mine cart, she flies around freely
The plane she's on is on a rail, though. That's what the rail refers to.
Meanwhile, scrolling is not important to gameplay in lightgun games at all. It's just targets popping up on the screen, timers running out, damage dealt.

[Anonymous No.6393138]

>>6393091
Yeah most players consider 2D and 3D fighters different genres.

>>6393098
Sonic is my favorite rollplaying game.

[Anonymous No.6393139]

>>6393128
Croudsourced wikis are not reliable sources of information, so don't cite them. We know that a lot of people, including game journalists, can't tell the difference between House of the Dead and Star Fox.

[Anonymous No.6393140]

>>6393108
For the nth time, don't get hung up on the words used, learn what types of games it refers to. That's what matters.

[Anonymous No.6393142]

>>6393126
https://www.mobygames.com/game/sega-saturn/panzer-dragoon-ii-zwei
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/saturn/562829-panzer-dragoon-ii-zwei
https://www.gamespot.com/games/panzer-dragoon-ii-zwei/
https://panzerdragoon.fandom.com/wiki/Panzer_Dragoon_Zwei
Show me a single website that refers to PDZ as "3D shooter"

[Anonymous No.6393148]

>>6393139
This applies to you too:
>>6393142

[Anonymous No.6393150]

>>6393142
I call Panzer Dragon and its entire genre a "rail-shooter". And make a strict distinction between that and a light gun shooter genre.
Meanwhile, 1. there is no authority on genre nomenclature at all yet; 2. never cite wikis as sources, period.

[Anonymous No.6393159]

>>6393150
>there is no authority on genre nomenclature at all yet
The authority is consensus
>never cite wikis as sources, period.
The fact that even wikis not specified for video games use the phrase "rail shooter" and not "3D shooter" is evidence for the former being the correct phrase.

[Anonymous No.6393160]

>>6393150
>I call Panzer Dragon and its entire genre a "rail-shooter". And make a strict distinction between that and a light gun shooter genre.

Right on both counts.

[Anonymous No.6393163]

>>6393159
There is no consensus. Refer to this very thread.

[Anonymous No.6393167]

>>6393163
One or two spergs on /vr/ isn't enough to even remotely effect this commonly understood genre definition. Those people are just wrong and dumb.

[Anonymous No.6393170]

Jesus christ lads

[Anonymous No.6393171]

>>6393163
One guy saying over and over Mario is an RPG because you play the role of him and trying to stir up a fight doesn't mean there's no consensus that it's a platformer.

It's the same thing here. Space Harrier, Star Fox etc are what are called rail shooters.

[Anonymous No.6393173]

This >>6392936 poster here. Be that as it may,

Panzer Dragoon et al should be called "3d autoscrolling shooters". Aiming, dodging, autoscrolling through stages.

House of the Dead et al should be called "gallery shooters". Targets pop up on the screen and must be "shot" before the timer runs out.

The rail thing should go the way of the fucking dodo because of how confusing it is.

>>6393171
He's satirizing in order to illustrate the opposite.

[Anonymous No.6393193]

Lots of people in thread trying to tackle the problem of genre names with reason and logic. Which is commendable, but also a bit of a waste.
Language don't really follows rules like that a lot of the time. Even if a description is shit and makes no sense at all, it may still come to widespread use. And may eventually fall out of use as well.
Don't sweat it. Stop splitting hairs. As long as you can roughly communicate what you mean by rail shooter, all is good.

[Anonymous No.6393198]

>>6393193
We're basically arguing which application of the words "rail-shooter" is the worse misnomer.

[Anonymous No.6393205]

>>6393193
I just wanted some recs

[Anonymous No.6393210]

>>6393193
I think that the word rail-shooter was so widely and brazenly misapplied to completely unrelated genres throughout video game history, that it's become pretty much unusable. A different, more specific term should be used for both genres. I support the guy who says "3d shooter", but I'd add "autoscrolling shooter" to that.

[Anonymous No.6393214]

>>6393173
I just call those games Light Gun Shooters and and games on a track Rail Shooters

[Anonymous No.6393216]

>>6393205
Panzer Dragoon is good

[Anonymous No.6393223]

>>6393214
But a lot of people focus on the background movie in light gun games, which remind them of rollercoasters, so they feel that THAT genre is the true on-rails experience. Hence, the word combination is fucked beyond repair.

[Anonymous No.6393234]

>>6393223
doesn't matter to me, if you use a lightgun to shoot it's a lightgun shooter which overrides that, if you are auto scrolling with a character in a 3D space it's a rail shooter

[Anonymous No.6393237]

>>6393173
No one cares that you don't like the terms that are used.

[Anonymous No.6393247]

>>6393128
No, I'm thinking I'm going to go with the developers of the best 3D shooter of all time on this one: >>6393031

[Anonymous No.6393248]

>>6393234
No, I use the same terminology as you. But it always creates misunderstandings, which is the opposite of good communication.

[Anonymous No.6393258]

>>6393237
Everyone uses them far too haphazardly. It's as if "danmaku" referred to Dodonpachi and Devil may Cry at the same time.

[Anonymous No.6393271]

These games are all copies of BLASTER

[Anonymous No.6393276]

>>6393271
Never heard of it. Looks like SHIT. What is it for?

[Anonymous No.6393280]

>>6393014
>https://railshooters.wordpress.com/
Couldn't this fuck have at least added some fucking screenshots?

[Anonymous No.6393283]

>>6393258
It wasn't until this board and threads exactly like this that I knew anyone was confused. Star Fox, Space Harrier and the like were never referred to as anything other than rail shooters.

[Anonymous No.6393292]

>>6393205
My man!
If you like FMV games check out this one:
>>6393103
Also, Rebel Assault 2 (webm related)

[Anonymous No.6393295]

>>6393283
Sure, BUT House of the Dead et al were also always referred to as a rail shooters in quite a bit of "professional" media as well as online discussions.

[Anonymous No.6393297]

>>6393292
It's a light gun game, you dumb fucker.

[Anonymous No.6393302]

>>6393283
There you go! There's one stupid bitch confusing the two genre right here in this very thread! LOOK: >>6393292
See? These stupid bitches can't tell the difference betweer Star Fox and house of the Dead at all. A movie on the background of a gallery shooter is all that it takes to confuse them. That's why I ultimately agree that Space Harrier et al should be called "3d autoscrollers" or something like that.

[Anonymous No.6393304]

>>6393295
Rarely in my experience. Sometimes called on-rails, but that's not really the same thing.

[Anonymous No.6393306]

>>6393304
Check the fucker right below your previous post. He's right here, among us. And it's an extremely common occurrence.
Also, confusing what genre REZ belongs to. Since there's a dude flying about, people assume it's like Panzer Dragoon, even though you don't control the dude and enemies don't aim at him or anything (because the game is a bona fide, blatant gallery shooter).

[Anonymous No.6393314]

>>6393306
That's why I mentioned it's mostly just on this board that this confusion ever comes up (same with Zelda is an rpg, exploration platformer, etc). They spread the confusion on purpose too I'm pretty sure.

[Anonymous No.6393323]

>>6393314
It's absolutely not just on this board. Confusing the two genres and calling light gun games on-rail shooters, rail shooters etc. has been a staple of game reviewing since the 90s. Wikis are full of confusion as to which genre is the "on rails" one..

[Anonymous No.6393325]

>>6393297
If you are the same anon that said rail shooters are games in which you dodge things, then games like Rebel Assault 2 qualify, which you would know, if you ever played it.
If you are not the same anon and your definition is a different one entirely...
then I think I will recommend you some more "rail shooters" like Starblade, cause you seem to like that.

[Anonymous No.6393327]

>>6393325
I am the same anon and I haven't played Rebel Assault. I'm talking about your webm specifically.

[Anonymous No.6393348]

>>6393327
You didn't see the dodging or the damage when the player failed to dodge? Guess it's hard to notice without audio.
But yeah, it's there. So which genre is it?

[Anonymous No.6393352]

>>6393348
No, is there dodging in that video? What, the rocks are dodgeable or something? Well, if there is, then, by my definition, it's a rail shooter. Well, you're still probably a bitch for some other reason that I don't know about yet.

[Anonymous No.6393353]

Is Star Fox 64 actually good? I'm pretty wary because >nintendo

[Anonymous No.6393358]

>>6393353
Don't be silly, Nintendo games from that era almost always were creme de la creme of the genre.

[Anonymous No.6393370]

>>6393353
Some levels are fucking awful like the submarine one, others are generally good if repetitive at times. Routes are handled alright and feel appropriately secretive. None of the bosses are hard. Music is a mixed bag and the sound effects including character voices cross the border from recognizable to annoying.

[Anonymous No.6393378]

>>6393276
You look like shit! Actually it's an arcade game and the sequel to ROBOTRON 2084, and it's more fun than it looks. It is also one of (?) the very first rail shooters.

>>6393353
Actually yeah, albeit a little chatty and cinematic

[Anonymous No.6393379]

>>6393378
>You look like shit! Actually it's an arcade game and the sequel to ROBOTRON 2084,
That actually sounds cool as fuck. I'm going to go try it out now. Thanks. I was kidding about it looking like shit, of course.

[Anonymous No.6393420]

>>6393323
You can also dig up people mistakenly calling Zelda an rpg. Doesn't make it different.

[Anonymous No.6393424]

>>6393108
Mine cart level is.

[Anonymous No.6393426]

>>6393420
It's a roleplaying game because you play the role of zelda

[Anonymous No.6393434]

>>6393040
I'm heard people refer to Cabal Shooter as its own genre, Wild Guns, Nam 1975, Punisher NES

the wikipedia includes Sin & Punishment, but the gameplay elements (moving contantly forward but your character is a person who jumps instead of a ship or witch) puts one foot in both subgenres

[Anonymous No.6393465]

>>6392929
I'm going with Star Fox 64 and Sin and Punishment as well. They're probably the two best rail shooters ever made.

[Anonymous No.6393493]

>>6393378
I love the golden era arcade aesthetic. Never heard of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agEQ7YIYk0A

[Anonymous No.6393502]

>>6393420
"RPG", too, is an unnecessary loaded term. If we merely disposed of it, we wouldn't have to explain to simple-minded people that a German Shepherd is not literally a shepherd from Germany and similarly a JRPG is not just any "RPG made in Japan".

[Anonymous No.6393590]

>>6393379
>>6393493
It's very rare, has an un-Googleable name, and it's never been released on a compilation afaik. Quite the HIDDEN GEM. It had analog controls, asteroid fields, flying through little arches -- all the standard Star Fox-type stuff, way back in '83. Also cat aliens, so Wing Commander must have copied it. Yep, we pretty much owe the whole video game industry to this unsung hero. Checking the video (right after 20:00) it even has an 'ending' sorta, although it keeps looping.

[Anonymous No.6393610]

>>6392936
If you have free movement and can dodge, you're not on a rail, retard.

[Anonymous No.6393735]

>>6393590
It was pretty easy to find and actually in two compilations. But it's definitely older than Space Harrier.

[Anonymous No.6394003]

>>6393590
>It's very rare, has an un-Googleable name,
No, and searching "Blaster arcade games" is not impossible unless you're retarded.
>and it's never been released on a compilation
Why would you lie on the internet? And quit capitalizing everything like an autistic faggot.

[Anonymous No.6394131]

>>6394003
how come you're such a weepy bitch?

[Anonymous No.6394498]

>>6393502
I see it as a handy filter. People who understand it's a genre description have no issue. Mentally handicapped ones who get stuck on the idea of "playing a role" can just be made fun of a while and then dismissed.

[Anonymous No.6394521]

>>6392936
rail shooters are any shooter where you don't control where you're going, only what you're shooting, and sometimes where your avatar is in a small space. you don't choose where you begin, where you end up, or how you get there
all of your examples are rail shooters

[Anonymous No.6394531]

>>6394521
>>6392936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_shooters

[Anonymous No.6394532]

>>6394521
Naw

[Anonymous No.6394569]

>>6393049
can you turn around and go back where you came from in zwei? no? it's a rail shooter
rail shooter doesn't mean your character or camera is completely uncontrollable, just that you're forced to take a particular path, typically with a minimum speed as well
you can move around a bit in panzer dragoon, but the small space you move in is itself moving through the level outside of your control, that space is the thing on a rail

[Anonymous No.6394831]

>>6392918
>Sin and Punishment 1 & Star successor.
>Starfox Series (Anything before Gamecube)
>Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Orta (Saga isn't a rail shooter, but it's was good)

[Anonymous No.6394846]

>>6394569
>no? it's a rail shooter
3D shooter, like it says on the disc.

[Anonymous No.6394854]

>>6394846
yes, a 3d rail shooter

[Anonymous No.6394871]

>>6392918
Someone needs to create a VR port of Panzer Dragoon

[Anonymous No.6394876]

>>6394871
Someone's working on that I think

[Anonymous No.6395505]

>>6394831
Is there anyway to play Orta on emulation or a 360?

[Anonymous No.6395617]

>>6393302
>two games that are a sub genre from the same family should be called something different entirely
just call it a Character Rail Shooter then

[Anonymous No.6395939]

>>6393302
>These stupid bitches can't tell the difference betweer Star Fox and house of the Dead at all.
and you can't seem to recognize the similarities between them
both involve being auto-scrolled through a level, with a focus on shooting, where events take place on a schedule
there is certainly gameplay differences between them, but the core concept is very similar

[Anonymous No.6396251]

>>6395617
lol

[Anonymous No.6396316]

>>6394871
VR was made for rail shooters but all anybody wants to shit out are generic fps games using Unity built-ins...

[Anonymous No.6396317]

>>6394498
Terminology is for communication, not for in-group signalling.

>>6393610
>>6394521
>>6395939
Star Fox, Panzer Dragoon et al are said to be "on-rail" because you can freely move on a 2d plane, but the 2d plane itself is automatically scrolling. Thinking rollercoasters. you can move in the car, but the car is on-rails. That is the logic.

Meanwhile, House of the Dead is much better described as a "light gun game" or a "gallery shooter". There is a movie playing on the background, behind the shooting gallery, but it's barely meaningful to gameplay--unlike in Panzer Dragoon et al, where you're autoscrolling through actual stages with meaningful obstacles.

[Anonymous No.6396325]

>>6395617
Panzer Dragoon and house of the Dead are not from the same genre family at all. They're completely unrelated mechanically.

[Anonymous No.6396342]

>>6396316
Serious Sam VR is pretty decent, although it's more of a... stationary shooter? More like a mobile game or something I guess where you just kill waves of enemies coming at you, but still fun.

[Anonymous No.6396349]

>>6396317
whether you;
- stop to shoot things (like virtua cop)
- loop until you've shot things (panzer dragoon)
- continue at pace or die if you fail to shoot things (starfox)
are all pretty minor variants on the basic concept of "guided through a level while you shoot things"

[Anonymous No.6396351]

See? Initially we were arguing which genre deserves the "rail" monicker more, but were easily able to at least distinguish between the genres.

But here they come: fuckwits who can't even tell that Panzer Dragoon and Time Crisis belong to completely different genres because they have drastically different basic gameplay mechanics. There's some cool rollercoaster-like movie seemingly playing on the background in both genres, and these people can't focus on anything but that, so they really feel that the two genres are very closely related.

[Anonymous No.6396353]

>>6396317
>said to be "on-rail" because you can freely move on a 2d plane, but the 2d plane itself is automatically scrolling

They're called rail shooters because the camera is bound to a metaphorical rail and you have no control over your destination. You can have differences in gameplay between rail shooters but they all still fall within the rail shooter category.

[Anonymous No.6396359]

>>6396349
In Panzer Dragoon you have an avatar and freely move it. You must dodge as well as aim. You sit on a 2d plane, which autoscrolls through actual stages with obstacles you must evade manually.
In gallery shooters like Virtual Cop you have no avatar and there is no movement or collision detection. Targets pop up and you must shoot them in time or you get penalized if the timer runs out. There may or may not be a movie playing behind the shooting gallery.

[Anonymous No.6396365]

this might shock some people but there are games in the platformer genre that don't even have any platforms

[Anonymous No.6396369]

>>6396359
i understand the style and execution are very different, but fuck dude, all rail shooter means is that it's a shooter on rails, both of them are shooters on rails nobody is claiming panzer dragoon and virtua cop are exactly the same

[Anonymous No.6396372]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf-pQhUZeiQ

This is a rail shooter.

[Anonymous No.6396373]

>>6396369
Genre is defined by gameplay, not minor superficial elements. Some genre names are historically misnomers, sure, and some terms are confusing, but the genres THEMSELVES are not to be confused.

Is Star Fox a ral shooter or is HotD? We might argue over that.
But the fact that Star Fox and HotD belong to completely different, unrelated genres is absolutely fucking undeniable.

[Anonymous No.6396378]

>>6396372
That is a light gun (shooting gallery) game. You don't have a controllable avatar and can't dodge. Instead, you must hit targets before a timer runs out.

[Anonymous No.6396386]

>>6396373
i understand games like hotd, time crysis, virtua cop, etc, all have a distinctive kind of gameplay, i would call them lightgun games first and foremost, being games that have basically no control at all, and you only shoot and hide/reload
however, that doesn't stop them from being rail shooters as well
games can belong to multiple genres

really, the main difference between starfox and these is the control method and combat complexity, rather than the core concept

[Anonymous No.6396387]

>>6396372
https://youtu.be/vMFxfQS8_eU?t=3545

This is also a rail shooter.

[Anonymous No.6396392]

>>6396372
>>6396387
Call them what you want, but the two do NOT belong tot he same genre. One is a shooting gallery game with a movie on the background and the other is a 3d shmup with autoscrolling stages.

[Anonymous No.6396401]

>>6396392
It's funny you would argue that Starfighters isn't a rail shooter but Panzer Dragoon is when the former is, gameplay-wise, simply a more primitive version of the later. It even has environmental obstacles to dodge like closing doors and such.

[Anonymous No.6396459]

>>6396325
wasn't comparing those two
I was talking about the star wars one with starfox
House of the dead is a lightgun shooter, stop bringing lightgun shooters into the equation as it's completely distinguishable by a peripheral

[Anonymous No.6396470]

>>6394871
Like the 3D on the NES rail shooters!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4RON5j77YY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSbEO9lLwEk

[Anonymous No.6396565]

>>6392918
>>6392936
Were do you place "tube" shooters were you ride in or on a tube, like Gyruss, Tempest , IS: Internal Section, N2O and Nanotrek Warriors?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Ol9pqgC2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHUqpsZI20

[Anonymous No.6396583]

>>6396565
still rail shooters

[Anonymous No.6396584]

>>6396565
I think it's the same genre as Star Fox et al, except in Star Fox you're riding on a 2d plane, but in Tempest you're riding on a 1d line. Otherwise it's the same.

[Anonymous No.6396594]

>>6396584
i'm not sure tempest would be classified as a rail shooter
yes, you're literally on a rail, but you aren't forced to move, it's just limiting your movement in otherwise static playfield
the rail in rail shooter is meant to be akin to something like a rollercoaster rail, where you don't control how the rollercoaster itself moves, you can only control yourself within the rollercoaster car
with tempest, while you're on a rail, you're in control of the rollercoaster, and can position yourself on the rail wherever you like

[Anonymous No.6396608]

>>6396594
It's in the same genre as Star Fox. Call it a rail shooter or character dodge scroller, whatever. Same genre.

Tempest: you move freely on a 1d line, which autoscrolls through a stage.
Star Fox: you move freely on a 2d plane, which autoscrolls through a stage.
Omega Boost: you move freely in a 3d sphere, which autoscrolls through a stage.

As opposed to:
House of the Dead / Virtua Cop / et al: you have no playable avatar, can't dodge, and must aim at targets that pop up before their timer runs out; otherwise you're penalized.

[Anonymous No.6396616]

>>6396608
>Tempest: you move freely on a 1d line, which autoscrolls through a stage.
i'm not sure which part of tempest is autoscrolling
if tempest is a rail shooter, then so is space invaders, or missile command

[Anonymous No.6396630]

>>6396616
People disagree, but I think Space Harrier / Star Fox / Panzer Dragoon is a 3d iteration of the same "autoscrolling shooter" genre. In other words, I think that Gradius is to Star Fox what Street Fighter II is to Tekken.

[Anonymous No.6396686]

Has anybody mentioned Galaxian 3 yet? Just played a bit. It seems real fuckin' neat.

[Anonymous No.6396695]

>>6396686
That's a light gun game. A gallery shooter. You can't move and dodge, targets appear and you must shoot them before a timer runs out. On the background there's a movie playing, but it's unimportant.
Some people call light gun games "rail shooters" too, but it's important to understand that this and Panzer Dragoon belong to completely unrelated genres.

[Anonymous No.6396807]

>>6396695
That being said, it's a cool on rails game though. Would recommend.

[Anonymous No.6396818]

>>6396807
Sure, but this is a thread about a completely different genre. See the OP.

[Anonymous No.6396941]

Remember Star Wars

https://youtu.be/iXOTExRQJSE

[Anonymous No.6397524]

>>6396630
I’m pretty sure everyone here agrees that rail shooters are technically just 3D shmups, instead of hori or vert you have it in 3D

[Anonymous No.6397542]

>>6397524
A guy above strongly disagreed with this. He also accepted that Street Fighter II and Tekken belong to completely different genres, citing fighting game fans.

[Anonymous No.6397579]

>>6397542
Yeah well he’s a moron, the genre is fighter then you add modifiers to that to create sub genres ie 3D fighter or 2D fighter

[Anonymous No.6397581]

>>6397579
I agree, but he also had a point. There are substantial similarities, but also substantial differences. But yeah, I also think that, say, Gradius and Panzer Dragoon are subgenres of the same shmup genre, one autoscrolling in 2d and the other in 3d.

[Anonymous No.6397686]

>>6393610
>If you have free movement
you don't, that's the point, it's still severely limited

[Anonymous No.6399352]

>thread only gets bumped if it's dumb genre arguing
Oh dear

[Anonymous No.6399491]

>>6396941
Played that game a lot on my Amiga. First game of this genre I ever played.

[Anonymous No.6399616]

[Anonymous No.6399669]

>>6399616
Is the steam version the best one?

[Anonymous No.6399840]

>>6399616
>>6399669
No the same genre as Panzer Dragoon. REZ is a gallery shooter: aim and shoot targets berofe the timer runs out. Panzer Dragoon et al have a controllable avatar and focus on dodging and navigating stages more than aiming.

>>6399352
Even that is better than your utterly useless non-post.

[Anonymous No.6399869]

>>6399840
Hey retard I asked what the best version was, not your retarded argument from a non-player

[Anonymous No.6399885]

>>6399869
Sorry, here's a more informative response.

They all suck. The game is terrible, the definition of style over substance. If you still must play it, PS2 with dildo peripheral is perhaps the most experiential way to play. I mean, might as well stick a thing in your ass, because gameplay alone definitely won't make you feel anything at all.

Sorry once more for misreplying. It won't happen again.

[Anonymous No.6399889]

>>6399885
>ironicfag non-player
Why are there so many of these on /vr/

[Anonymous No.6399891]

>>6399889
I played REZ back when you probably didn't even exist, you horrid retro-pretender baby.

[Anonymous No.6399895]

>>6399891
You clearly haven't though

[Anonymous No.6399902]

>>6399895
What, did my post clash with your favourite youtuber's opinion?

[Anonymous No.6399903]

>>6399902
Huh? What the fuck are you even talking about? No one mentioned youtubers

[Anonymous No.6399914]

>>6392918
>rail shooters
The most boring fucking genre.
I can understand when it's an arcade game with a fun peripheral, but just moving a cursor around with a controller and memorizing enemy waves is fucking dull.
I can understand N64fags jerking SF64 off because they had nothing else to play that isn't mario or zelda but PS1 and Saturn chads don't have to deal with this shit.

[Anonymous No.6399928]

>>6399903
We can actually bring up even topics that haven't been put on the keyword list yet, you know. /vr/ is not a Wizardry game.

[Anonymous No.6399929]

>>6399914
You're talking about light gun games, not rail shooters. Rail shooters are games like Space harrier, Star Fox and Panzer Dragoon.

[Anonymous No.6399946]

>>6399914
sorry guys meant to say Caveshit
>>6399928
Actual retard

[Anonymous No.6399979]

>>6399946
be it as it may, you don't sound too clever either.

[Anonymous No.6399983]

>>6399979
You've been arguing a nonsense point about genre all thread, and then for some reason brought up youtube
Are you legit autistic?

[Anonymous No.6399989]

>>6399983
Did I realy hit a nerve that badly? About youtube?

[Anonymous No.6399993]

>>6399989
I just can't comprehend what the fuck you're saying, although /vr/ is filled with retards like you

[Anonymous No.6400001]

>>6399993
So you "don't comprehend," huh. It's okay.

[Anonymous No.6400006]

>>6400001
Your nonsense about genre and seething someone asked about Rez yes, I don't understand

[Anonymous No.6400017]

>>6400006
Shhh. Everything will be alright.

[Anonymous No.6400020]

>>6400017
Imagine seething this hard

[Anonymous No.6400024]

>>6400020
I can try to imagine, but you don't even have to.

[Anonymous No.6400027]

Starblade Alpha and Galaxian 3 sucked dick

[Anonymous No.6400637]

In PDZ the sky has weird lines if you move to each side, is this an emulation bug?

[Anonymous No.6401015]

Check this shit. A PS1 shmup that alternates between horizontal and 3d modes, i.e. Gradius and Space Harrier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQOrs1s8zFE

[Anonymous No.6401163]

>>6399840
I was sure you had a little control over the avatar in Rez but maybe I'm just remembering being about to rotate around

[Anonymous No.6401170]

>>6401163
You had no control and it was not a aprt of the game at all beyond being a representation of your lifebar. No collision detection or anything. You could only aim and shoot. Shoot too late and you get hit. No dodging possible.

[Anonymous No.6401392]

>>6399914
Man when did /vr/ become infested with /v/ mentality

[Anonymous No.6402194]

>>6401015
Shmups always look cool as hell but I barely pass the first stage in most of them

[Anonymous No.6402917]

>>6400637
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.6402946]

>>6401392
Have you never seen the shit storm that literally every shmup thread becomes?

[Anonymous No.6402973]

>>6402946
No? What happens?

[Anonymous No.6403264]

As others said, PD Zwei is also a great game if you haven't played it, although I think it's more focused on cool set pieces, unique environments and cinematic moments rather than amazing shooting. Iirc the music in that game was made after the stages were planned.
If you enjoy those grandiose moments in Zwei, I'd say play Saga too as it has similar direction, although it's not a shooter.

[Anonymous No.6403850]

>>6402917
Post a screenshot or something. What emulator are you using?

[Anonymous No.6403852]

>>6403850
Mednafen, I'll record the bit I mean and post it

[Anonymous No.6404161]

>>6401015
Makes it realy obvious that "rail shooters" are just 3D versions of horizontal shmups.

[Anonymous No.6404256]

>>6404161
I agree. But that other guy disagrees strongly.

[Anonymous No.6404360]

>>6399989
Fuck your tube faggot go back reddit

[Anonymous No.6404594]

>>6404360
I just did, reddit says hi. What now, son?

[Anonymous No.6406051]

Anybody try Assault ChaingunS KM on Switch? It's in the same vein as LA Machineguns and seems pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.6407384]

Well, this was a useless thread.

[Anonymous No.6407394]

>>6407384
You learned a lot about genre definitions, so it definitely wasn't useless.

[Anonymous No.6408970]

>>6407394
one autist got the chance to spew bullshit about his personal feelings regarding genre classifications. That's it

[Anonymous No.6409480]

>>6392929
Omega Boost was amazing.

[Anonymous No.6410371]

>>6392918
There was PS1 version too, but never played it

[Anonymous No.6412248]

>>6393016
>>6393016
Based