this could've been the perfect controller if it had a trackball where the second analog stick should've been. a trackball is much better for looking around than an analog stick.

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Anonymous Sat May 2 18:32:58 2020 No.6390897 [Reply] [Original]

this could've been the perfect controller if it had a trackball where the second analog stick should've been. a trackball is much better for looking around than an analog stick.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 18:40:00 2020 No.6390926 If it had any grip in general and maybe two extra buttons on top of that extra analog

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 19:32:12 2020 No.6391087 >>6390897 >ohaiguise i just saw a youtube about trackballs

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 19:40:26 2020 No.6391115 OPs thumb must be strong as fuck from rolling trackballs around

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 19:49:34 2020 No.6391135 >>6390897 Why not touchpad?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:01:00 2020 No.6391161 Is Dreamcast the most well-designed console in terms of hardware specs? >Up to 3.2 GPixel's worth of fillrate That's only bested by the Geforce 6 no earlier than 2004.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:02:29 2020 No.6391165 There's literally nothing perfect about this controller lol.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:05:25 2020 No.6391170 >>6390897 This thing hurts your hand to use for long periods, the face buttons are too small and hard plastic and the triggers are too stiff, the analog stick is awful. It's garbage

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:09:27 2020 No.6391178 >>6390897 Brand new those little nobbly bits on the buttons were sharp af, had to file em down a bit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:15:02 2020 No.6391198 A gyroscope would be better solution, imho. Sega could release a VMU with a built-in gyroscope and solve precision issues.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:18:34 2020 No.6391207 Needs more buttons.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:22:33 2020 No.6391215 File: 171 KB, 1024x1024, strikerdc_front_1024x1024_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6390926 >>6391165 >>6391170 >>6391178

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:31:40 2020 No.6391247 >>6391215 Now you can't comfortably use the d-pad. Brilliant, moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 20:32:56 2020 No.6391251 >>6391215 ew. Might as well just use an xbox360/one controller.

Anonymous Sat May 2 22:38:20 2020 No.6391578

>>6390897
>this could've been the perfect controller
Already a no.

>if it had a trackball where the second analog stick should've been.
LMAO WTF?

>a trackball is much better for looking around than an analog stick.
No a thumb/analog is much better. Even better than that depending on the game is a mouse. Even those little thumbstick nubs on certain handhelds such as PSP and 3DS are far superior. In fact I would rather camera control with L and R like its PS1 than a stupid trackball on a controller that has no right being on one. BTW just in case you didn't get it, no Dreamcast controller was garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 22:47:41 2020 No.6391598 >>6391215 holy fucking pre ordered... thanks for posting that

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 23:32:09 2020 No.6391695 >>6391247 You got baby hands or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 2 23:34:37 2020 No.6391705 >>6390897 A trackball? What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 00:57:19 2020 No.6391952 >>6391215 This shit looks like a cheap Fisher Price toy.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:02:52 2020 No.6391984 >>6391251 i rather would littrilley perfect

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:04:42 2020 No.6391989 >>6391251 It more looks like a Playstation 4 controller

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:05:43 2020 No.6391993 >>6391215 1 out of 4 people liked this idea thus far. I'm indecisive because I hate Xbox, but this is for the Dreamcast though. Hmmmmmm.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:19:26 2020 No.6392026 >>6390897 No it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:38:03 2020 No.6392049 >>6391993 You do know that most of the games that were going to be on the dreamcast were ported to the original Xbox.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:40:50 2020 No.6392053 >>6391578 Trackball is better than analog stick when you need precise aiming in an fps game. But yes, it sucks, touchpad would be better.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 01:43:36 2020 No.6392060 >>6392049 Yea and I wasn't a fan of the Xbox controllers (had Shenmue 2 and the Sega GT/JSRF combo pack). Which is why I'm indecisive about it. I really miss my Mad Catz controller with the extra C & Z buttons lined up in the front layout

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 04:10:14 2020 No.6392405 As a big fan of the dreamcast I gotta say, the d-pad on it sucks major ass, probably the worst of any console I've used where the library has like, a lot of games that don't even really use the analog input. just total shit for playing stuff like KOF

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 04:12:21 2020 No.6392412 >>6391170 lol homo

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 04:55:57 2020 No.6392483 >>6391993 Im waiting for the reviews

Anonymous Sun May 3 09:00:08 2020 No.6392886

>>6391993
I have the Retro Fighters N64 (not their newer USB one but one for the N64) controller.
Overall I do like it and I use it more than my official N64 controllers (slightly loose sticks) but with some caveats. It definitely does have a cheap feel to it, like the sort of plastic used feels cheap. The low weight of it adds to the cheapy feel. Also the D-pad itself is terrible - but on the N64 that isn't too much of a problem, the D-pad was rarely used even in cases where it could've been (menus, etc). It looks like their Dreamcast controller uses a very similar D-pad which is a shame.
But for what I paid for it, I really do like it. I'll definitely wait for reviews of the specific controller before buying the DC one though.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 09:05:00 2020 No.6392895 >>6391695 you'd NEED babyhands to hold the controller and use the d-pad at the same time

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 09:44:37 2020 No.6392982 DC controller has very little that was done right if anything, either copy the DualShock or improve on the 3D Nights Pad and do an early XBox type layout.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 19:03:17 2020 No.6394474 >>6391170 You've never held a DC controller and you just keep parroting, you dumb zoomer trash.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 19:06:40 2020 No.6394492 File: 47 KB, 440x220, EVVNFmBWAAEvQ6-.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This looks promising

Anonymous Sun May 3 19:16:53 2020 No.6394534

>>6392895
This makes not one bit of sense. I'm not the guy you're responding to but this is a stupid ass statement.

So, instead of holding the controller eagle claw, you want crab claw like NES or something?

>>6392982
So extreme. "Very little, if anything?" Only thing missing is another analog and shoulder buttons. How is that "Very little?"

>>6391170
Clearly never even been close to a DC controller. The buttons were nice. Triggers were nice and tight.

But the dumbest thing about this controller was the fuckin VMU. I hated those things. They were ahead of their time but were held back by dinky LCD shit screens. Specialty batteries that died and lost saves when they did.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 19:23:39 2020 No.6394558 >>6394534 I forgot to mention the D pad was one of the best. MvC2 literally for days.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 3 19:49:04 2020 No.6394621 >>6390897 It would have been better if SEGA hadn't been retarded and put it as a 4 button pad instead of a 6 button pad. I think you can use one of those Saturn>DC converters to use the 3D Analog Pad on it, but I've never used that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 10:37:46 2020 No.6396961 >>6390897 God have mercy on whoever thought designing the wings of the controller inward was a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 18:52:55 2020 No.6398246 >>6394492 It doesnt

Anonymous Mon May 4 19:16:13 2020 No.6398307
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>>6394534
For one the grips tapper inwards making the wrists hurt, the buttons were sharp, the analog stick slippery and wonky, the d-pad imprecise and a downgrade from the mighty SS. The VMU/puru-puru cages took too much space and the fingers wouldn't be able to rest properly. The 3D Nights Pad was a million times better and the cable didn't come from the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 19:26:35 2020 No.6398347 >>6390897 I had one of these bad boys in the early 2000s. Best mouse I've ever owned. Trackballs are the best gaming peripheral.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 19:28:24 2020 No.6398351 File: 67 KB, 570x570, microsoft-trackball-explorer-4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6398347 Forgot pic

Anonymous Mon May 4 21:45:34 2020 No.6398797

This seems like the best thread to ask, wtf is up with my Dreamcast if it crashes games after a while and then struggles to even boot them up? It booted my copy of sonic adventure once and then crashed and wouldn’t boot it again, and my SA2 copy crashes a ton on the start screen

Anonymous Mon May 4 22:24:50 2020 No.6398887

>>6398307
This is still one of the best controllers I've ever seen, and I've never even touched one. It solves the non-N64 "neutral d-pad or neutral analog stick?" issue flawlessly by placing them vertically one to another. Why was this design never continued (except arguably on 3DS)?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:26:42 2020 No.6398890 >>6391695 Baby hands get hurt by pointy angles, projecto.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 4 22:27:43 2020 No.6398893 >>6398887 *Dreamcast and 3DS

Anonymous Mon May 4 22:29:56 2020 No.6398898

>>6398797
This happens to me, too: Power Stone randomly stops playing any sound after playing for a while, and Sonic Adventure 1 disc won't play at all, despite still being in perfect working condition. I've never found the solution to either one of these things, and it ONLY affects those two games of mine. I think the DC has some build quality or programming issue.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 11:36:27 2020 No.6400540 >>6398898 >>6398797 Bump. I have a similar issue but if I turn my DC off for a while it works again.

Anonymous Tue May 5 12:03:14 2020 No.6400597

This controller is absolutely terrible.
-It's too big for the functions it provides
-The start button is fairly difficult to reach
-Has less buttons than a fucking SNES controller
-Hard plastic analog that's also sharp
-Really uncomfortable d-pad, also sharp edges
-Cable in the wrong position

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:12:33 2020 No.6400618 >>6391161 It's a well designed console and all but what does that spec really mean when at best it at Geforce 256 tier graphics?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:13:25 2020 No.6400619 >>6390897 No because it's still unergonomical and that shit in the middle is atrocious

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:13:49 2020 No.6400621 >>6390897 Yep, you're right. That's the only probably the controller has. Can't think of a SINGLE other flaw.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:15:20 2020 No.6400628 >>6391952 It looks like it was designed by people who actually knew what they were doing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 12:18:57 2020 No.6400641 >>6400628 It is a shitty controller worse than a fucking xbox controller you dicksucking faggot.

Anonymous Tue May 5 12:24:10 2020 No.6400651

>>6394492
I have liked Retro-bit's most recent official Saturn and Genesis controllers (not the USB ones, but the ones for the console). Those feel great, and even better than my original controls, certainly because all the rubber and plastics aren't 20 years old or more.

I have plenty of Dreamcast controllers, but I'd probably still pick this up.

Anonymous Tue May 5 12:30:15 2020 No.6400670

>>6391161
Don't read Sega Retro, they are deluded. That's the z-culling speed.

The console can't output more than 100 MPixel/s/100 Texel/s. Granted, because it's tile-based deferred rendering, it can output those pixels with near 100% efficiency, while the likes of GeForce 256 will probably have like 3x-5x overdraw.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:22:48 2020 No.6400790 I never understood the hatred for the DC controller, other than zoomers that don't understand that the "hole" in the middle is for the VMU.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 13:26:35 2020 No.6400793 >>6391087 who are you quoting

Anonymous Tue May 5 13:33:40 2020 No.6400808

>>6400790
It was a massive downgrade in comparison to the Saturn controller. How the hell do you go from the greatest D-pad in history to the garbage on the Dreamcast? Why remove two face buttons? Like someone else said, despite being a controller for a modern system it actually had less buttons than a SNES controller.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 14:12:13 2020 No.6400912 >>6400808 I don't know how you're counting but as far as I can tell it's only missing a parallel for Select. In 3D/analog games the d-pad is effectively 4 more buttons, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 14:13:26 2020 No.6400915 >>6400912 >>6400808 Ignore me. I read "two less buttons than the SNES controller" for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 14:17:42 2020 No.6400931 >>6391215 Really tempted to order this, I just wish it were wireless though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 5 18:47:32 2020 No.6401738 >>6391952 Fisher Price is more synonymous with quality than Sega. lol

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 03:34:42 2020 No.6403078 >>6400670 3x-5x in typical scenes of the time, which consisted of static and closed-off BSP's. But with dedicated hardware culling, there's room for so much more complexity, all entirely dynamic. I feel like this power was untapped.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 03:55:02 2020 No.6403125 >>6390897 >trackball I can feel my thumb skin being pinched just reading that. Arcade PTSD is a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 19:51:15 2020 No.6405368 >>6391952 As opposed to the fucking original? lmfao

>>	Anonymous Wed May 6 19:56:30 2020 No.6405386 Might as well put a second stick on it, if it's not actually used for real dreamcast hardware, that is.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 7 06:22:45 2020 No.6406576 People complaining about the d-pad, but I never used the d-pad on this thing. All of my games were 3D

Anonymous Thu May 7 06:30:12 2020 No.6406590
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>>6406576
No exaggeration, it's my favorite dpad of all time for fighting games. It's small but rolls perfectly so it's real precise. I can bang out double half circles and orochinagis faster and easier on that thing than any other.

Anonymous Thu May 7 06:47:33 2020 No.6406619

>>6403078
In the right situation with high complexity the Dreamcast GPU could probably cull 31 levels of overdraw for free, which would make the performance insanely good.

But the problem is that in a scene with high complexity if there are too many triangles overlapping outside of tiles, the GPU will get bottlenecked on the triangle setup cost anyway and can't actually make full use of that culling.

Videologic developed a benchmark for PC called Villagemark which basically presented an ideal situation for TBDR chips, and the fill rate efficiency % of non-TBDR chips was only about 6x worse at worst. Non-TBDR chips with built in z-culling algorithms like the GeForce 3 were only 3x less efficient or something.

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