/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.638491]

>super mario bros 2 was the only game for a while where peach was playable
>super mario bros 2 all took place inside marios head
>all other games had peach kidnapped by bowser
>tfw mario secretly wishes for peach to be a braver and more competent human being
>and that's why they aren't really together

[Anonymous No.638502]

More like

>Peach actually wants to be with Bowser
>Dream-Peach is what Mario wants Peach to be, fighting alongside her instead of against him
>Mario keeps kidnapping Bowser's girlfriend

[Anonymous No.638503]

I always play as Peach in SMB2. Bitch can float.

[Anonymous No.638505]

>>638491
>the frogs weakness is vegetables
>the frog is you

[Anonymous No.638516]

>>638505
THEN WHO WAS FROG?

[Anonymous No.638526]

>>638491
Mario confirmed for feminazi

[Anonymous No.638528]

>>638502
cuck pls go

[Anonymous No.638536]

Does that then imply that Peach in Melee is the dream version?

[Anonymous No.638540]

>>638528
wut

[Anonymous No.638545]

>>638505

[Anonymous No.638578]

>>638491
>super mario bros 2 was the only game for a while where peach was playable

>Super Paper Mario

[Anonymous No.638602]

>>638578
I don't know about him, but 20 years sure are a while for me.

[Anonymous No.638606]

It's interesting that Mario is the least powerful character inside his own dream. Inferiority complex, much?

[Anonymous No.638619]

>>638536
Well... she has the same abilities as Mario 2.

[Anonymous No.638634]

>tfw this is the biggest ass-pull in the history of gaming

[Anonymous No.638641]

>>638634
the whole game is an ass pull of sorts.
A good one, though

[Profit No.638668]

>tfw luigi cant sleep cause mario is fucking peach in the next room
>tfw peach has to pretend she needs saving because her reputation will be ruined if the mushroom kingdom finds out she sneaks off every night to get that bowser dinodick

[Anonymous No.638673]

>doki doki panic
>/vr/tards reasoning about a complex story

[Anonymous No.638717]

>>638673

The whole reskin thing used to piss me off about SMB2 and make me dismiss the entire thing, but I've recently carved out a place for it in my heart. Sure it's a hack fraud job, but it's kind of charming.

[Anonymous No.638762]

>hurrr get this guys peach is a slut
>aww no way man
>yeah she fucks mario all the time
>shiiiiit
>yeah and then she sneaks off to fuck bowser later, she just tells mario it's kidnapping so he doesn't know she's cheating
>whoa bro that's amazing, i never thought of it like that
>yeah, totally new way of looking at the mario games

/vr/ = seriously old shit

[Anonymous No.638769]

>>638673
>>638717
The engine used for Doki Doki Panic was originally designed to demonstrate SMB2, it was put aside and later used for Doki Doki Panic. When they localized for the West the Mario assets were put pack in.

Doki Doki Panic was always SMB2 anon, search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.638795]

>>638769

This requires evidence please

[Anonymous No.638816]

>>638795
I couldn't find the specific source this time, but I have seen it here before.

>http://www.mariowiki.com/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic
>Shigeru Miyamoto was more involved with the development of Doki Doki Panic than he was in the Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2. Many of the game's enemies have become generic Mario enemies, though they were not intended to be that at the time of their creation. This includes Shy Guys, Birdos, Pokeys, Bob-ombs, and numerous others. Of particular note is how Mario, Luigi, Toad, and Princess Toadstool's skills and attacks have been shaped by the skills of the characters they replaced.

[Anonymous No.638832]

>>638491

Then how is Birdo in Mario Kart?

>tfw Mario Kart is just Mario's dream too

[Anonymous No.638835]

>>638816

So Miyamoto was involved but I don't see the argument that the engine was intended for SMB2. But I didn't know Miyamoto was involved. That's cool to know.

[Anonymous No.638846]

>>638832

The universe is actually a dream of a Japanese speaking Italian plumber.

That shit's true man look that shit up.

[Anonymous No.638857]

>>638835
Found it.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._2#Development
>Doki Doki Panic originally started as a Mario prototype developed by Kensuke Tanabe. The prototype emphasized vertically scrolling levels and throwing blocks. Notably, it was originally intended to be a two player co-op game allowing players to toss each other around. The gameplay was considered not fun enough at the time and was scrapped until later when Tanabe received instruction to use the Yume Kōjō mascots in a game, at which point he expanded the gameplay and developed Doki Doki Panic.

[Anonymous No.638867]

>>638832

Because Mario dreams about Birdo because Birdo is in the real world too. Duh. Just like Peach/Luigi/Toad/etc.

[Anonymous No.638880]

>>638867

But she was introduced in Super Mario Bros 2.

[Anonymous No.638881]

>>638857

I accept your claim.

[Anonymous No.638923]

Semi-relavent.

[Anonymous No.638935]

>>638923

>peach
>going to church

God doesn't love sluts.

[Anonymous No.638979]

>>638491
>>638502
>>638503
>>638536
>>638668
>>638762
>>638867
>>638935
>peach

Fuck all of you underage faggots, her name was Princess Toadstool outside of moonland until Super Mario 64 and she should be Princess Toadstool here.

[Anonymous No.638985]

>>638979
I bet you think Samus should have green hair, and Link should have brown hair to?

[Anonymous No.638986]

>>638979
Do you still insist on calling Final Fantasy 4 Final Fantasy 2 as well?

[Anonymous No.638991]

>>638979
Dude. It's her first name. SM64 still said Princess Toadstool, Peach just gave the ol' john hancock on a letter finally. Princess Peach Toadstool. Calm your shit.

[Anonymous No.638994]

>>638979
I'm reminded of that cartoonist guy no one likes who always says Link has brown hair.

[Anonymous No.639001]

>>638979
Fuck off, Dobson.

[Anonymous No.638997]

>>638979
I think this is an occasion we can actually use the word "autist" correctly.

[Anonymous No.639002]

>>638985
No, he should have pink.

[Anonymous No.639005]

>>638991
>Peach Toadstool
>this revisionism
>Princess Toadstool
>Peach Toadstool
>now it's just Peach

It's like when those scummy Japs took Robotnik away from us and turned him into their ridiculous Eggman

>Robotnik
>Eggman Robotnik
>Eggman

Fuck you, Japan.

[Anonymous No.639025]

>>639005
Geez bro, I think /vr/ can finally use "autistic" correctly.

[Anonymous No.639027]

>>638979

A slut's still a slut no matter what you call her.

[Anonymous No.639020]

>>639005
He was always Eggman in Japan, stop being autistic over nothing.

[Anonymous No.639046]

>>639005
Difference being that Eggman was always Eggman so they just changed Robotnik back. I think that Robotnik is better name (with Sonic just calling him Eggman as an insult) but that's just how it is.
Peach on the other hand is still the princess, still Princess Peach Toadstool. They haven't stricken the rest, they're just being prompt. Again, calm your shit.

[Anonymous No.639062]

>>638880
Just because it didn't appear in Mario games beforehand doesn't mean Birdo didn't exist until Mario dreamt it.

[Anonymous No.639067]

>>638880
Just because she was introduced that way, doesn't mean she didn't retroactively always exist after SMB2 was made. Mario just had a dream with a bunch of things that already existed in the Mario universe (except Wart, Wart doesn't ever get any love), including things that we didn't see in the first game.

[Anonymous No.639074]

>>639067
>>639062
Birdomind.

[Anonymous No.639089]

>>638491
Didn't play legend of the seven stars eh?

[Anonymous No.639090]

>>638880
>>639067
>she
You might want to sit down.

[Anonymous No.639091]

>>639046

Bullshit. It's "Peach" this and "Peach" that, just more subtle Japanese trickery.

We're the frogs in the pot people, we didn't even notice we were cooked until it was too late. Don't be an apologist for those fuckers, they ruined my childhood.

>>639025
>>639027
>>639020
>quality posts

[Anonymous No.639107]

>>639090
Bah, that's been retconned and I think unretconned then retconned again, I think calling Birdo either gender is fine by this point.

[Anonymous No.639110]

>>639091
I didn't ask you to accept the truth, I asked you calm your shit. You're being obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.639142]

>>639110

I'm being obnoxious? I didn't change the total identity of a beloved character to millions, on some twisted whim.

I've still never recovered from what Nintendo and Sega did to me that day. Good thing Final Fantasy became a Sony exclusive, because I've never bought a single product of theirs since.

[Anonymous No.639146]

this nigga right here
all day every day

that's all I have to say on the subject.

[Anonymous No.639162]

>>639142
Please, keep going.

[Anonymous No.639173]

>>639142
Two wrongs don't make a right, anon. Stop being obnoxious here because someone else (who isn't here) raped your childhood. I mean, it's almost as if you're trolling, but that can't possibly be it.

[Anonymous No.639207]

>>639067
That's because Wart was a lame Bowser wannabe.

Follow me for a minute on this. Bowser and Wart are both:
-big
-green
-mean
-kings
-cold blooded (presumably)
-final bosses

But on one hand you have Bowser:
-armored body
-lethal spikes all over
-breathes fire
-heavy-set but buff as shit; jumps and moves around attacking you
-only dies to lava, bottomless pits, or ludicrous amounts of lethal weaponry chucked at his head

...and then there's Wart:
-soft, unarmored skin
-no spikes or fangs or anything
-breathes goddamn *bubbles*
-a complete lardass; just walks back and forth slowly while puking bubbles on you
-gets beaten to death by a handful of turnips

There's a reason Wart never made an encore appearance.

[Anonymous No.639208]

>>638606
He's a jack of all trades

[Anonymous No.639216]

>>639162

Well, I'm glad someone's finding it funny

>>639173
>it's almost as if you're trolling

The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind.

[Anonymous No.639235]

>>639142
>I actively boycotted some of the greatest entries in gaming history because they changed Princess Toadstool's name

[Anonymous No.639242]

>>639074
Commonsensemind.

[Anonymous No.639257]

>>639216
Of course of course. That would be absolutely ludicrous.

[Anonymous No.639328]

>>638536
peach in all the games is a kids toy ... they all are

[Anonymous No.639623]

>>638979
>>639005
>>639091
>>639142


this is like a more pathetic psx v. ps1 debate

[Anonymous No.639632]

>>639142
boo hoo I don't understand that I played localized versions of Japanese games that received revisions to the translations and marketing as they became more popular

just go back to Atari and fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.640024]

imagine buying SMB2 in russia back then

"Oh, Dendy made another romhack with mario"

[Anonymous No.640452]

>>639002
My bro.

[Anonymous No.640473]

Found this on /v/ a while ago, thoughts?

[Anonymous No.640472]

Toad isn't real. He's actually just a hallucination to one of Mario's many schizophrenic episodes exacerbated by years of chronic drug use.

[Anonymous No.640480]

>>640473
Why would Mario World be a dream?

[Anonymous No.640485]

Why was Mario Italian in the first place?

[Anonymous No.640486]

>>640473
what? its just a fucking game

[Anonymous No.640487]

>>639142
>THE JAPS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD BY ADDING A FIRST NAME ONTO A SUPPORTING CHARACTER
>I'M TOTALLY NOT AN ATTENTION WHORING AUTIST

I'd sage, but this is just too hilarious in my half-dazed and sleep-deprived state.

[Anonymous No.640494]

>>639005
It's Dr. Ivo Robotnik for you. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik.

Like Miles "Tails" Prower.

[Anonymous No.640509]

>>640480
It was all a dream

[Anonymous No.640514]

>>640509
It was a vacation

[Anonymous No.640521]

>>640473
>Yoshi's Island DS takes place after Yoshi's Island
>A remake is 'further along' in the time line

This is a fucking masterpiece of trolling.

[Anonymous No.640529]

>>638832
I assume that enemies such as Birdo and Shy Guys represents repressed or vaguely remembered memories of Baby Mario's adventures on Yoshi's Island.

The only problem is that if there WERE Birdos...how did Mario manage to see one when as a child, barring things such as time travel/paradoxes in the Kart/sports games.

>>>638979
I just assume her name is simply Peach Toadstool or something...

[Anonymous No.640538]

>>638979
cry harder.

[Anonymous No.640545]

>>638979
What's next, calling King Koopa "Arf-arf" (or whatever he's called in the inferior versions)?

[Anonymous No.640573]

>>639142
Final Fantasy has done this at least once.

>Butz

Just saiyan

[Anonymous No.640602]

>>639020
Sonic 1 came out in America first, therefore I claim he was originally Robotnik. Besides, Eggman is just a nickname. His real name is Ivo Robotnik.

[Anonymous No.640615]

>>638536
Has Miyamoto completely stopped aging since '94?

[Anonymous No.640625]

>>640473
Didn't Mario Land 2 take place immediately after Mario Land 1?

It happened because Wario stole Mario's castle while he was off saving Daisy in Sarasaland.

[Anonymous No.640629]

>>639005
They also changed Jumpman's name to Mario.

Childhood status: RAPED

[Anonymous No.640649]

>>640473
a timeline for Mario games? really?

[Anonymous No.640665]

>>640538
>yfw there was no cake

[Anonymous No.640810]

>>640473
> mfw it's missing Mario Golf and Mario Tennis which are the most important in the timeline

>>640649
> implying Mario's scenario isn't heavy

[Anonymous No.640823]

>>640665
THE CAKE WAS SEX

[Anonymous No.640828]

>>640602
>His real name is Ivo Robotnik.

dat obscure DC Comics reference.

[Anonymous No.640831]

>>640629
>They also changed Jumpman's name to Mario.

On the contrary, that is one case where the American version achieved total victory.

[Anonymous No.640832]

>>639142
>company changes name of character
>boycott them

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.640865]

>>640828

>dat obscure DC Comics reference.

No.

His name is Ivo Robotnik, and is said as such in most, if not all, the video game maunals up to...i think Sonic Adventure, when they made the shift-over to that Eggman rubbish. I'm still pissed over that, along with how Toadstool was switched to Peach. Yes, i know they're supposed to be nicknames, but there's a whole generation of gamers with no fucking clue now.

[Anonymous No.640871]

>>640828
What do you mean? He was called that in the early manuals, too.

[Anonymous No.640881]

>>640865
...Also, i know it's nitpicky as hell, and in the long run of things, it doesn't matter, but it makes my eye twitch just a little each time i hear Eggman in a game...and when people have no clue that he is now, or ever was called Robotnik. I guess, in the end, it comes down to the fact that i think Eggman sounds stupid, and Robotnik doesn't, at least to me.

[Anonymous No.640893]

>>640865
Look, the name was changed by a random SoA staffer.
Also robotnik is Russian for "worker"...oooh scary villain name there.
the guy was shaped like an egg, flew around in the Egg-o-matic, put animals in capture eggs and prison eggs, built the Death Egg and Crystal Egg, and attacked with Egg Robos, and Eggman is a Beatles reference.

Eggman is a better name

[Anonymous No.640904]

>>640881
They called him Robotnik in both Adventure games and Generations, it isn't obscure.
It's made canon time and time again that Eggman is just his nickname

[Anonymous No.640903]

>>640893
>oooh scary villain name there.
Admittedly not as scary as Eggman.

[Anonymous No.640909]

>>640903
Eggman is off kilter and thematic . He's not supposed to be a scary character, which is why SatAM was such bullshit

[Anonymous No.640927]

>>640904
...Wait, in adventure? They call him Robotnik once in the first adventure, and i don't remember him being called Robotnik ever in two. i've not played generations yet, so i don't know about that.

I don't mean to be making trollish posts, I think what bugs me is that a great majority of new sonic fans have no clue at all that he was ever called anything but eggman.

[Anonymous No.640941]

>>640927
I think that classic Robotnik was called as such in Generations, and newer one was called Eggman.

Mind blowing, I know.

[Anonymous No.640950]

>>640927
...you know what? never mind, actually. It doesn't really matter in the end. It's just a personal bend that i have, and it's not really that important. What's more, by trying to justify and defend my totally personal opinion, i'm fagging up both the thread, and a board that has thus far avoided major faggotry as a whole.

I am honestly sorry. I like the name Robotnik, but in the end, it's just a personal preference and probably has more to do with nostalgia then anything else. Sorry for making an issue of it.

[Anonymous No.640960]

>>640950
>What's more, by trying to justify and defend my totally personal opinion, i'm fagging up both the thread, and a board that has thus far avoided major faggotry as a whole.
Yeah. Especially since this is a fucking MARIO thread.

[Anonymous No.641241]

>>640485
Because NoA's landlord was.

[Anonymous No.641258]

>>638502
Well they don't call her princess toadstool for nothin'.

[Anonymous No.641262]

>>638979
Actually, she was called Peach since Yoshi's Safari.

[Anonymous No.641267]

>>640865
>>640871
He's saying that Robotnik was named after Professor Ivo, an evil robotics genius in the DC universe who created Amazo, the robot with all the powers of the Justice League. It's not impossible, but there's no official word either way.

>>640927
Adventure 2 doesn't call Eggman himself Robotnik, but I'm pretty sure his grandfather is stated to be Gerald Robotnik at some point.

[Anonymous No.641271]

>>641258

[Anonymous No.641281]

>>639091

Are you an actual paranoid schizophrenic or are you just autistic?

[Anonymous No.641282]

Fuck both Peach and Toadstool, her real name is Goldilocks. No, seriously, that's what she was called in some Finnish material.

[Anonymous No.641301]

>>640024

Nah, from what Kinaman says they had no idea they were ripoffs, they thought they were main series games.
SMB2 would have looked pretty normal compared to some of the shit they put up with.

[Anonymous No.641501]

>>641262
I was given this game on Chirstmas because I asked for Yoshi's Island but somehow my parents bought Safari instead. And we had no Super Scope.

I spent many months wanting to play that game and only watching the demo, until the PlayStation was released and my brothers decided to sell the SNES and all games to buy one.

And I still wish to play Yoshi's Safari with a Super Scope.

[Anonymous No.641531]

>>641501

It's pretty hard to use the Super Scope compared to other light gun games. Too bulky and hard to aim.

Yoshi's Safari was tough to barely finish using it as it's should. I played it again on Wii's SNES9xGX emu using the HotD:Overkill gun and blaze through with ease.

[Anonymous No.641554]

>>641531
But MUH CHILDHOOD DREAMS

Actually I guess yes, it would be difficult to use, and probably won't even work with modern TVs in a similar fashion to the Zapper.

I guess I'll never fulfill that wish. Using a mouse and/or a Wiimote would feel like I got cheated.

[Anonymous No.641636]

>>640665
DA CAEK WAS A LIE

TOP LEL

[Anonymous No.641647]

>>641531
>It's pretty hard to use the Super Scope compared to other light gun games. Too bulky and hard to aim.

Not to mention the crates of batteries necessary to play for any extended period.

[Anonymous No.641650]

>>640893
No, it's fucking trite.

HEY DO YOU GET THAT THIS GUY HAS AN EGG THEME YET? LET ME BEAT IT INTO YOUR HEAD SOME MORE.

The American version is more subtle.

Also, fuck the Beatles.

[Anonymous No.641653]

>>641650
Yeah, fuck the Beatles. Especially fuck people born after the 50s wearing Beatles or Zeppelin T-shirts.

[Anonymous No.641659]

>>641636
Too bad your shitposting is real.

[Anonymous No.641961]

>>639207
So Wart is Mario's dreamed up parody of Bowser then?

[Anonymous No.641971]

>>641653
Yep - fuck The Beatles

Do you like turning on the radio and having every song be intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, chorus and if you're lucky a bridge or solo?

You can thank The Beatles for streamlining song structure in such a pathetic way

[Anonymous No.641972]

>>641650
>>641653

Do I have to? They're all either dead or 80 years old.

[Anonymous No.641970]

>>641650

Just having a different name does not make the egg theme subtle.

Also, it's the other way around, you tard, he has all the egg shit because he's Eggman.

[Anonymous No.641974]

>>638979

Eggman

[Anonymous No.641991]

>>641961
Yes, it's kinda like how every time someone humiliates Chris Chandler, he writes a comic where he tries to portray them as dumb and lame. Wart is Mario's CWC-esque fantasy of Bowser.

[Anonymous No.642035]

I like Samus with green hair...

[Anonymous No.642218]

>>641970
No, it doesn't make it subtle. It makes it MORE subtle. The way /v/ is a "better board" than /b/.

It tones the Egg shit down from "blatantly, stupidly, screamingly obvious" to "extremely obvious." I prefer the latter.

[Anonymous No.642270]

>>640473
>Dr. Mario

So, Mario was pissed because Peach was cheating on him with Bowser and went to the medical school instead of being a simple plumber?

[Anonymous No.642302]

>>639005
>>639020
>>639046
>>640494
>>640602
>>640865
>>640881
>>640904

It was always Eggman. I grew up with Robotnik, but unlike you people, I liked Sonic enough to give a shit about his proper name. I watched the anime in 95. You people are the kind of people who want Urkel to keep voicing Sonic. You fucking disgust me.

You want to find out what you're still calling wrong?

Birdo's name in the US manual was actually Ostro. But her real name is Catherine. And yes, Cathy's a guy. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.642315]

>>642270
Super Mario Sunshine and Yoshi's Island can't be part of the same timeline.

Baby Bowser got retconned to being Bowser's son, the Koopa Kids got retconned to "unrelated".

[Anonymous No.642351]

>>642315
Baby Bowser is Bowser as a child.

Bowser Jr. is Bowser's son.

They are different characters.

[Anonymous No.642353]

>>642302
The Ostro/Birdo thing was a mistake on the localization team's part. The names were switched because someone got lazy Personally I think that's a whole other beast from renaming things like Koopa-Bowser, and Eggman-Robotnik.

[Anonymous No.642361]

>>642302
Then why don't you call him Sonniku za Hejuhagu, you faggot?

[Anonymous No.642373]

>>642361
Because I know what the words should mean in English and don't suffer a speech impediment from non-native dialect?

Or is that too difficult to understand through translation?

[Anonymous No.643295]

>>642302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMOH3rTDF6c

>those Birdo voices
>all that Peach rage

[Anonymous No.643327]

>>638503
Same. I can't stand playing SMB2 with any other character. Mario just plain sucks. Luigi's jumps are awkward. Toad is also horrible.

[Anonymous No.643443]

>>639207
Wart is in Link's awakening, isn't he? Which is, of course, fitting.

[Anonymous No.643689]

>>641991
Mario is Chris Chandler?

[Anonymous No.643871]

>>641971
>Yoshi's Safari was
Shouldn't we thank all the copycats?

[Anonymous No.643905]

>>641971
I know this is off topic, but what the hell is a bridge?

On-topic:
I don't mind the way Sonic Adventure did it, where his name was Dr. Robotnik but Sonic called him Eggman as an insult. I just don't get why they dropped the name Robotnik COMPLETELY after that. Would it have been that hard to maintain the whole name/nickname thing Sonic Adventure had going?

[Anonymous No.644098]

>>643905
Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_%28music%29