/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6362535]

I'm going to try to be the best with my favorites. I'm not using the same tough POKéMON as everyone else.

Which are your favorites?

[Anonymous No.6362558]

>>6362535
I like bug pokemon, but they're pretty shit tier. Feels bad, man. I at least got a laugh out of seeing an anime clip of Ash getting his shit fucked by a Magikarp, that's what I imagine using weak pokemon to beat the games would actually look like in-universe. Too bad you can't use an actual Magikarp like that, but a Caterpie or something would be possible.

[Anonymous No.6362571]

>>6362558
I always loved Ledian. I recently did a shitmon playthrough of crystal using Pokémon like sunflora, ledian, and unevolved phanpy/teddiursa. It was still pretty easy, but I was more engaged with it than any other playthrough since some teams would completely wall me.

[Anonymous No.6362601]

>>6362535
sandslash
noctowl

[Anonymous No.6362620]

Ninetales
Vulpix
Arcanine
Blastoise
Feralligatr or whatever the fuck
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Raichu
Umbreon
Jolteon
Fearow
Dodrio
Noctowl
Primeape

[Anonymous No.6362675]

Still remember my original Gold team:
Ampharos
Pidgeot
Meganium
Ariados
Poliwrath (HM slave)
Victrebell (HM slave)

[Anonymous No.6362676]

>>6362535
Meowth/Persian
Cubone/Marowak
Ekans/Arbok

[Anonymous No.6362901]

>>6362535
Is Marill low-tier? I've loved Marill ever since the Pikablu legends.

[Anonymous No.6362908]

>>6362901
yeah, especially since there are so many good water types to choose from. marill is one of the weakest, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.

[Anonymous No.6362917]

>>6362901
Marill/Azumarill only got good on gen 3 with huge power and even better with the physical/special split on gen 4.
On gen 2 she is essentially a bad tank, but still very cute.

[Anonymous No.6362950]

I beat pokemon silver recently (still training to fight red though), my hall of fame looks like this:
1st time:
ninetales
meganium
espeon
furret
quagsire
skarmory

2nd time:
furret
espeon
quagsire
meganium
skarmory
ampharos

I love having a furret with the elemental punches, its my favorite normal type and can kick some ass with good type coverage.
azumarill is my favorite water type but quagsire was necessary if I wanted a chance without overleveling.

[Anonymous No.6363162]

>>6362950
>meganium
you're gay

[Anonymous No.6363182]

>>6363162
>one of the best pure grass type on gen 2
and you are dumb af.

[Anonymous No.6363194]

>>6362558
Bugs were pretty shit.
Scizor, Forretress, and Heracross were the only saving graces of the Bug type and that was due to their secondary types.

[Anonymous No.6363195]

>>6362535
This is for retro video games, not Pokemon. You need to go back., OP.

[Anonymous No.6363202]

>>6362535
I still remember my Crystal team.
Feraliagtr
Nidoking
Rhydon
Skarmory
Dragonite
Tyranitar

[Anonymous No.6363206]

>>6363195
>games for the gameboy aren't retro
an hero, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6363207]

>>6363202
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.6363209]

Meganium, Jumpluff, Exeggutor
Feraligator, Politoed, Gyarados, Golduck, Starmie, Lapras
Ninetales, Houndoom
Crobat, Muk
Jolteon, Electrode, Ampharos, Magneton, Electabuzz
Forretress, Heracross, Shuckle
Wobbuffet, Espeon
Dugtrio
Hitmontop
Jynx
Ursaring
Dodrio, Tyranitar
Dragonite
Umbreon

[Anonymous No.6363216]

>>6363207
>my favorite pokemon are better than yours
have sex

[Anonymous No.6363219]

>>6363162

[Anonymous No.6363227]

>ranked number one in internal design polls pre-release
>ranked the most forgotten of the entire first gen
What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.6363238]

>>6362535

I'll play Pokemon Green for the first time with just the pokemon at the beggining: Pikachu, Pidgey, Rattata and Caterpie.

[Anonymous No.6363242]

>>6363227
good design != popularity
also don't know how that won any awards at all.

[Anonymous No.6363243]

>>6363227
>plant mons win against water, ground and rock
>lose to ice and steel which most water, ground and rock based monsters happen to have dual typing attacks with exactly those elements

[Anonymous No.6363245]

>>6362535
girafarig
kangaskhan
Pinsir
Aerodactyl
Ampharos
Feraligatr

For gen II i strongly recommend getting a female geodude early on. Will make first 3 gyms easy aspie.

I also really like hoothoot.

[Anonymous No.6363249]

>>6363182
compared to what? Tangela? Sunflora? They're all crap and the only competition is Bellossom. It's objectively the worst starter regardless of your moot point.

[Anonymous No.6363254]

>>6363207
What's pathetic about it? Not enough furry bait for you to jack off to?

[Anonymous No.6363265]

I'll always love Umbreon/Blacky and its Bastet look. I like Espeon too because it reminds me of Terra's esper form. I couldn't care less about the weirdo tranny fanbase.

[Anonymous No.6363268]

>>6363249
on top of being a good grass type you can also get much better fire and water types than the starters.
so chikorita is the best starter of you see it like that.

[Anonymous No.6363272]

>>6363268
Typhlosion is a beast the whole way, my dude.

[Anonymous No.6363274]

Tyranitar
Skarmory
Tyranitar
i forget the rest of gen 2

[Anonymous No.6363279]

>>6363274
I mean Typhlosion
oh yeah also Miltank

[Anonymous No.6363287]

>>6363272
and so would be an arcanine, magmar, ninetales, etc...
he is replaceable (same with feraligatr) while meganium has little competition and you don't have to do anything spetial to get one (like bellossom that needs a stone).

[Anonymous No.6363464]

>>6363287
>>6363272
>>6363268
>>6363249
>>6363182
>>6363162
In gen II proper, Typhlosion is objectively the best starter. For one it has the best speed and special Attack of the 3. Also, Quilava is the earliest to evolve (you do have to wait for typhlosion longer, but the stat boost from Quilvas evolution is more welcome earlier on.)

On top of that, you will be supereffective against bug gym, Ice gym and Steel gym. You will be weak to Falkner spamming Mud Slap but thats why you catch a Pidgey or a hoothoot.
Feraligatr has a terrible learnset.

Typhlosion can also learn Thunderpunch in gen 2 to deal with water types (esp. useful in Stadium 2).
Meganium is not particularly useful for any of the gyms, and grass is just not-a-very-good type, generally.
And in gen II proper, Feraligatrs learnset is pretty bad, unless you use TMs.

That said, just go with your favorites.

[Anonymous No.6363473]

>>6363464
It is good that in gen 2 they made the grass starter a pure-grass type, though.
Venusaur had Poison typing, and since in early gens there is basically no such thing as Poison-STAB (and basically nothing its good against), all the dual Poison typing did was make it weak to Psychic (and everyone had a Mewtwo, so...)

Bulbasaur shouldve been a pure grass type.
And Meganium can be good if you teach it Reflect and basically use it as a sponge / wall. On its own though, it doesnt pack much of a punch.
But again, follow Karens advice:
>Strong POKéMON. Weak POKéMON. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with their favorites.

>Let's go.

[Anonymous No.6363478]

>>6362535
I like the og pokeemans myself.

[Anonymous No.6363489]

Is there any one reason why I should play Gold or Silver version over Crystal?

[Anonymous No.6363490]

>>6363464
while I can't say that you are wrong with that argument.
meganium brings more utility than typhlosion.
she has access to body slam, can put reflect or light screen and has self sustain with synthesis on top of having good defenses so she can tank even very effective attacks while crippling her opponents with paralysis and healing any damage.

[Anonymous No.6363498]

>>6363489
to get the pokes that aren't on crystal like vulpix and mareep.
but if you don't care, there is no reason.

[Anonymous No.6363586]

>>6363473
Karen is a slut

[Anonymous No.6363627]

>>6363195
An 8 bit game for gameboy from 1998 aint retro enough for you?

[Anonymous No.6363780]

>>6363202
Nice kaiju team, mustve taken a while to catch and evolve them all though.

[Anonymous No.6363823]

>>6363489
not that i can think of offhand, unless you just want the raw, vanilla version we all had to make do with first time round.

Crystal offers:
>extra bonus egg gift (higher than normal % chance of being a Shiny)
>Battle tower
>Sprite animations (doesnt sound much, but you really miss them if theyre not there but you are used to them
>Play as a girl

overall crystal is a pretty definitive gen II experience. Plus the suicune/unown thing is fleshed out, a little bit.

I never understood why Suicine was made out to be this big deal, but then Movie #3 made it all about Entei.

[Anonymous No.6363826]

>>6363243
Steel didn't exist in gen 1, and no rock type other than maybe Tyranitar wanted to go up against Exeggutor, and that sure as fuck wasn't because you could teach it iron tail.

[Anonymous No.6363841]

>>6363227
still an OverUsed competitive mon, but having 6-7 weaknesses doesnt help.
Unless you mean aesthetically, in which case yeah Exeggutor was never involved in merchandising (at least at face-level). I remember Poliwhirl being a big deal, though.

>>6363826
>>6363243
Jolteon fucks exeggutor up in gen 1. Eggy is 4x weak to Pin Missile , and grass is not very effective on Electric. Psychic can deal damage but jolteon can paralyse you then get hits in, and with its high speed, probably some crits.
Unless your tree knows Earthquake, i guess.

[Anonymous No.6363847]

>>6363823
Suicune is the closest to Ho-oh in the myth.
Lugia also probably got a movie because it has less interesting lore in the game.

[Anonymous No.6363851]

>>6363826
>no rock type other than maybe Tyranitar wanted to go up against Exeggutor
Aerodactyl says hi.

[Anonymous No.6363898]

>>6362535

The thing is, I want to win with my favorite (Eevee), but Eevee evolves when happy.

Obviously, if eevee is my go-to mon, it will level up like mad and get really happy.
I dont want to keep switching whatever its holding for an Everstone each time, and I cba always pressing "B" at the evolution stage. What if, for some reason, something else catches my attention and it evolves? What if I just forget for some reason and it evolves?
I like umbreon and espeon but i prefer eevui and i want it to stay as eevui ;_;

[Anonymous No.6363927]

>>6363780
Kaijumons are the best. I wish we could have gotten nothing but dragonlike and reptilian designs like it was originaly intended. They look more legit badass than the cutesy crap we ended up with.

[Anonymous No.6363940]

>>6363851
yeah, Exeggutor is shitting its pants with that mighty wing attack, sure

[Anonymous No.6363942]

>>6363489
ah, I forgot to mention.
you have to play gold or silver if you want to play on a gameboy mono, crystal is a color only game.
so there is that.

[Anonymous No.6363943]

>>6363841
>Unless you mean aesthetically
I mean just in general public memory. There's an online quiz and Exeggutor is right near* the bottom in terms of peoples ability to remember and name him. In general, he's among the most obscure of his gen.

*Admittedly he's actually not at the very bottom like I thought, he's second bottom, ahead of only Lickitung

[Anonymous No.6364185]

>>6363823
Crystal also has better item placement in dungeons and revamped the phone system (most useful for getting elemental stones and PP Ups). A couple maps have better graphics, like the ice cave.

[Anonymous No.6364187]

>>6363243
wrong timeline nigga

[Anonymous No.6364191]

i'm a gen 1/2fag but never finished a pokemon game. I always tap out the moment the games expect me to grind levels on my team, normally 4/5 gyms in.
Any recommendations for someone who wants to fast track through a game without robbing myself of the experience? Something like double exp rates or something
I've done this with black, emerald, glazed, gold etc. I love everything about the games but that one little thing.

[Anonymous No.6364192]

Would it be worth it playing through Crystal for the first time at my 19 years of age? I'd play with Pikachu from my old Yellow game while using other weak pokemon like OP is doing, to get a decent challenge.

[Anonymous No.6364196]

>>6362535
mudkip and zigzagoon

[Anonymous No.6364239]

>>6364192
no need to handycap yourself too much to get a challenge out of gen 2.
if you do you'll end up frustrated because pokemon is all about rolling the opponent or the opponent rolling you. there is a middle ground but only at the beginning, because early on movements aren't powerful enough to allow it.
just go with your favorites or try to go for pokemon that you never use.
I catched myself a wooper and to my surprise quagsire was quite the beast (he learns earthquake), also girafarig is a decent mon that is always overlooked.

>6364196
weak bait, those mons are not retro.
you don't even deserve a (you).

[Anonymous No.6364390]

>>6364191
It's a jrpg. You're gonna have to grind eventually.

[Anonymous No.6364467]

>>6364191
Crystal has a pretty easy level curve.
>>6364192
I'm a fan. You won't be able to trade with Yellow until after the third gym though.

[Anonymous No.6364505]

Red: Articuno, Dragonite, Raichu, Vileplum, Gengar, Arcanine, all horribly built.

Gold: I think Ampharos, Feraligatr, Xatu, Espeon, that weird pollen thing, Houndoom, Piloswine or something.

I was so weak but I had plenty of fun.
Fuck I want to play Gold again.

[Anonymous No.6364520]

>>6362535
>>>/vp/ pokeweeb

[Anonymous No.6364569]

>>6364520
I'll post a Pokemon thread on vr anytime I want, what are you gonna do?

[Anonymous No.6364613]

>>6362558
>>6363194

Used ledian and forretress on my last playthrough. The second one can be a beast with toxic, protect, rollout and curse.

[Anonymous No.6365407]

>>6362535

[Anonymous No.6365558]

>>6364191
Use traded pokemon for boosted EXP, it adds on an extra 33% i think. In gen 2 onwards you can get lucky eggs to add an extra 33%. A traded monster holding a lucky egg zooms up in levels. Chansey holds it.
There are some in-game trades you can take advantage of for boosted exp, assuming you are playing alone. Lucky egg exists in gen2, but its a bit harder to get than it became later.

[Anonymous No.6365560]

>>6364390
there's ways around that

[Anonymous No.6365564]

>>6365558
thanks!
I can always add that extra rate via codes. You think 33% is a good number or more? I don't want to out level the content.

[Anonymous No.6365626]

>>6364390
If you assemble a good party and raise them somewhat evenly, you won't feel like you need to grind in gen II.
Gen 1 I do but only because I choose Charmander and Mankey's only available early on in Yellow.

[Anonymous No.6365640]

>>6364390
A good jrpg requires zero grinding.

[Anonymous No.6365646]

>>6365640
how can you say that with a straight face when lunar received the working designs treatment and actually made it more grindy that normal?

[Anonymous No.6365657]

>>6365640
It's not a JRPG if there's no grinding. That's be an adventure game.
Or if you mean a JRPG where you always win automatically so exp and money are worthless, that's even worse than grindy ones, because combat is so meaningless and yet is STILL KEEPS HAPPENING, like in FFVII or even Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.6365687]

>>6365657
>It's not a JRPG if there's no grinding. That's be an adventure game.
dumbest shit i've ever read

[Anonymous No.6365697]

>>6365640
>>6365657
>>6365687


Why do JRPGs generate so much autism on this board. Play your Japanese fantasy stories for children if you like them. Not everything needs to be super deep or challenging.

[Anonymous No.6365703]

>Tyranitar

[Anonymous No.6365720]

>>6363498
Silver has the best title screen in my opinion.

>>6364191
I recommend downloading the disassembly, making the changes you want, assembling the rom, and playing that. It feels fucking amazing, not gonna lie. I haven't actually done the exp hack yet, but I did a lot of research on it in preparation. I think some docs are on gamefaqs, others can be googled. If you can't manage to alter the exp formula or tables because you can't into asm, then what you can do at least is double every pokemon's base exp stat (although there is a maximum so it would be less effective the faster the pokemon levels in the vanilla game).

[Anonymous No.6365725]

>>6365697
Only a gay or woman would make such a vanity post

[Anonymous No.6365731]

>>6365687
Grinding is fun in some choice games that make you want to become stronger at any price. Dragon Quest games are great at that. A good way to do this is to establish a cool asshole villain and then make him pretty damn fucking strong. You walk about, kill shit, find secrets, become stronger, buy better stuff and go test your might against the fucker to see if you're good enough to end him. And the story doesn't simulate this experience for you--you actually do it all on your own, mind you. That's what makes DQ so fun.

Then there are JRPGs where the story is about you getting strong enough, but it all happens in the script. When you get to a boss, you're either powerful jsut enough to beat it or are scripted to lose and the story continues. In this situation random encounters are just time wasters, because you don't have any inherent need for them and there's no sense of accomplishment, just tedium.

People who've only played the latter kind of JRPG are the ones who despise grinding. This kind of grinding is indeed despicable. But the former type is actually very fun. It's just preddy damn rare to see.

[Anonymous No.6365738]

>>6365720

[Anonymous No.6365750]

why do the western releases still have that yellow and blue pokemon logo? Everyone Japanese release uses a new style that fits each game and the logo is just a pokeball.

[Anonymous No.6366070]

>>6365750
because westerners are dumb af and need a universal logo to recognize a product.
or that's what the western marketing department think at least.

[Anonymous No.6366161]

been playing Crystal nonstop. What teams and movesets do you recommend transferring to Stadium 2?

[Anonymous No.6366285]

>>6366161
curselax

[Anonymous No.6366314]

>>6362620
Furfag confirmed

[Anonymous No.6366381]

>>6365558
>>6365720
Here's how I'd do it
Replace this line with "jr .boosted" https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/b50dd57cbb8e163cd269255c8f754e5631760a03/engine/battle/core.asm#L7080
Replace this line with "call BoostExp" https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/b50dd57cbb8e163cd269255c8f754e5631760a03/engine/battle/core.asm#L7096
Replace this line with "call BoostExp" https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/b50dd57cbb8e163cd269255c8f754e5631760a03/engine/battle/core.asm#L7103
That way all experience earned will be boosted three times, as if you'd used a traded Pokemon in a trainer battle holding a Lucky Egg

[Anonymous No.6366604]

>>6362535
The fact you can't get much new monsters until after you beat the E4 is extremely disappointing and is one of the biggest reasons that even as a kid I thought the first gen games were better. I also simply think Kanto is a more fun to explore region than Johto was.

Anyways, is there any romhack out there that does what these games did but in reverse? So you start in Kanto and then go to Johto?

[Anonymous No.6366642]

>>6366604
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=298920
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=347198

[Anonymous No.6367941]

>>6365640
what game?

[Anonymous No.6368016]

>>6365646
The WD version is the one I'm talking about. The Japanese one is even easier but NA port of Lunar is is solid start to finish with zero grinding along the way.

>>6365657
Lol you're retarded.

>>6365697
I'm not saying it's either, just that you don't need to grind.

>>6367941
Lunar Eternal Blue Sega CD

[Anonymous No.6369704]

which romhacks would you recommend for a complete single cart version of crystal (all pokemon available without trading)? New content and quality of life features are also appreciated. I've been looking for the definitive gen 2 experience. There's a great version of Emerald that on top of single cart completion adds harder rematches with gym leaders, easier EV training for postgame, reusable TMs, immediate access to the national dex with pokemon spread throughout, a day/night cycle, physical/special split and other useful stuff.

[Anonymous No.6369720]

>>6369704
For a complete single cart version, I'd recomend Perfect Crystal. For new content and QoL features from future gens I'd give Polished Crystal a try.

[Anonymous No.6369728]

>>6369720
you're an asshole

[Anonymous No.6369732]

>>6369728
shut up bitch

[Anonymous No.6369842]

I really liked psychic types and so my team was
Kadabra
Espeon
Noctowl
Xatu
Slowbro
Jynx

[Anonymous No.6369884]

>>6369842
Xatu was cool. Nobody ever uses it, even on obscure teams.

[Anonymous No.6370416]

>>6363216

[Anonymous No.6370424]

>>6364191
You literally have no need to grind in gens one and two.