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can we discuss rail shooters? I don't know of any other than this

pic related, panzer dragoon zwei one of the most beautiful worlds i've been able to enter

>> No.635808

>>635792
Zwei's my favourite. Star Fox 64 is second best for me personally.

I've been quite into the genre a few years back The most interesting and original game I've found was Omega Boost - now that shit was scrolling a 3D fucking sphere, i.e. you move not on a 2D plane scrolling in 3D, but in a 3D sphere scrolling in 3D. GENIUS, even more interesting than what Panzer Dragoon did.

in b4 Gamespot posters who think you're talking about light-gun shooters.

>> No.635813
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635813

Of all the shooters I've played on any sort of rails, this is probably my favorite. Macbeth might be the most rewarding challenge in this game, IMHO.

>> No.635818

If you want some recommendations, Star Fox, the new Kid Icarus, Sin & Punishment, and Space Harrier are all varying levels of good.

>> No.635827

>>635792
If you like Panzer Dragoon you will love Omga Boost on the ps1. It's fucking amazing.

>> No.635823

>>635792
The three most interesting ones are Panzer Dragoon (enemies attaking from all directions, full 360), Star Fox (you controll the scrolling speed) and Omega Boost (you move in a sphere instead of a 2d plane).

Sin & Punishment keeps turning into a shmup and even a hack'n'slash, it's a Treasure game, so no wonder it's weird. Space Harrier is vanilla.

>> No.635825

>>635818
>Sin & Punishment

this.

>not mentioning every Treasure shooter ever

>> No.635830

>>635818
>Sin & Punishment
Man, fuck Nintendo for not releasing that game in North America. I would have gladly accepted a name change just to play it over here.

>> No.635841

Shit, I'm going to ship that game back with me to Colorado. I miss my Panzer Dragoon experience.

>> No.635847

>>635825
I thought he wanted 3D ones. If not, Ikaruga and Gradius V are great.
>>635830
It's on the Wii Virtual Console at least.

>> No.635858

>>635847
i (OP) own both of those and love them but I think rail is different than scroller

>> No.635861

>>635858
You are correct. Only 3d scrollers are called "rail-shooters".

The guy jsut wanted to express how much he loves him some Treasure.

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>> No.636025

so it's really just panzer dragoon and that's it?

>> No.636052

>>635792

I like Sin and Punishment.

>> No.636268

I rather enjoyed Elemental Gearbolt, myself. I confess, I initially got it because it was published/made(?) by Working Designs, but it turned out to be a solid game. I think it was one of the few RPG/shooter hybrids, as well...on easy and normal, you could turn your score into health upgrades. And of course, let's not forget it's epic soundtrack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lao-dWD29Wg

>> No.636559

>>635818
ki kinda hardly counts because only 1/3 of the game is a rail shooter, with the rest being a third person action game on foot.

>> No.636563

>>636559
hey ill take wha ti can get

>> No.636676

>>636268
Elemental Gearbolt is cool and was probably my first exposure to pantsushit, but it's a light-gun shooter, not a rail-shooter.

How to tell the genres apart:

1. In rail-shooters you can and must dodge: that is, you can actually move on a 2D plane (which is, in turn, auto-scrolling).

2. In Iight-gun shooters you must shoot before they shoot you and you can't move. Some cite Time Crisis as an example of a light-gun game where you can dodge; no, you can't, it's just invincibility toggle - you can't actually move on a plane, unlike real rail-shooters.

I.e., one is a paintball game, while the other is a shooting-range game. Completely different.

>> No.636692

>>636676
oh so Rez would technically be a light-gun

>> No.636835

>>636676

Wouldn't that make light gun shooters a sub-set of rail gun shooters, then? Dodging is done differently(as you say, shoot them before they shoot you), and while you can't auto move in some(Time Crisis, to again use some of your post), you can in others(Elemental Gearbolt...hell, I don't think you ever really stop moving in that one).

While you bring up some good points of extremes on both ends, I think EG falls more in a gray area bridging the divide.

Also, I think your analogy was a little whacked, too; better analogy would have been shooting range to tactical obstacle course.

Don't mean to come down on you, anon...just throwing out my two cents.

>> No.636892
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>>636692
Yes. The character on the screen is just a visual effect. You do not control it, you can not move it, you can't do anything at all - it's not a playable entity.

>>636835
>sub-set of rail gun shooters
There's not such thing, so no.

Light-gun games are just that. You're on a shooting range with moving targets, and you do not control an entity at all - there is no player character. The timer runs out = you're hit. Unlike rail-shooters (Star Fox etc.), which have have actual collision detection with a controllable player character.

The backgrounds in light-gun games aren't levels, they're background movies on which targets are painted. Unlike, again, rail-shooters, which have actual navigatable levels in msot cases, with obstacles to move around and such.

>> No.636907

>>636835
Oh, and as for Elemental Gearbolt, it's a typical light-gun shooter. You must hit enemies before time runs out and that's it. There are no stages at all, just movies that play on the background. There are no player characters and there is no level design beside a sequence of targets; scrolling "stages" are just a visual effect that does not affect gameplay (outside of giving some mild hints as to where the enemy might come from).

>> No.636909

1. House of the Dead
2. Carnevil
3. Time Crisis
4. Star Wars
5. The Lost World

those are my fav arcade rail shooters

>> No.636913

>>636909
They are your fav light-gun shooters.

See >>636676 .

>> No.636946

>>636907
>>636892
>>636676

Seems this thread started out a tad bit too specific. Ah well. In the spirit of rail shooters, Zaxxon has always remained one of my favorites.

>> No.636960

>>636946
>Seems this thread started out a tad bit too specific.
Op clearly wanted a rail-shooter, since he had one as an example, too. Basically, he asked for more Panzer Dragoon.

To be honest, that's how I ended up researching the genre myself - I wanted more Panzer Dragoon, so I started looking for more games in the genre that did something interesting with their mechanic.

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PLEASE put this game on the 3DS, Sega.

>> No.638626
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638626

Has anyone played Vanark for PSX? I've never heard of the game until about a year ago and it looked really fun. It looks like a gritty version of Starfox 64 to me, honestly. Anyone have any good words about this game?

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My favorite game pic related

>> No.638825
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0YkMU5nkgE

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>>638626

Just downloaded yesterday, it has been fun so far. There is another kinda similar game, Space Debris, I think it was PAL only.

>> No.640804

Rail?
Shooting?

Pokemon Snap is a good one

>> No.640816
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640816

best rail shooter ever
/thread

>> No.640819

Giving another vote of confidence to Omega Boost. It was a really kickass game. I should play it again sometime

>> No.640838

>>638646
It's not a rail shooter, it's an adventure fucking game. Combat has elements of light-gun shooting, but there are no elements of rail-shooters whatsoever.

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http://youtu.be/5vNcKAGBVTI?t=3m50s<wbr>

>> No.641372

No mention of Rez?

>> No.641397

What exactly is a rail shooter?

Is that you're being moved forward (fixed environment) and shooting at enemies?

>> No.642650

>>640864
I had the dos version of that game which blew me away as a kid, I loved the sega cd one too. The ps2 one, not so much.