Infinity Engine Thread

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Infinity Engine Thread Anonymous Mon Apr 13 12:53:26 2020 No.6337058 [Reply] [Original]

These threads are for the foolish... and the dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 12:55:28 2020 No.6337064 These threads are basically the only good thing about this board other than the CRT threads. I'm thinking of starting a new IWD game. Still burned out on BG after doing an ironman run of 1/2. I guess I could practice ToB for ironman, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:01:54 2020 No.6337085 >>6337064 Where did you die?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:37:02 2020 No.6337175 >>6337164 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Eilistraee

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:38:13 2020 No.6337179

>>6337085
Failed a death save on the first boss fight with the orc dude in ToB. Probably a 5% chance of that happening.

I don't particularly like ToB and don't have it memorized at all, other than generally knowing what's in the areas, I've only beaten it twice. But makes sense to try it more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:43:46 2020 No.6337190 >>6337175 >still evil >Chaotic Good

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:49:35 2020 No.6337209

>>6337179
Also, I minimized during the final fight with irenicus to take an important call, thought I paused it, and came back to realise that I had in fact, not paused it. Half my party was dead, but Irenicus was dead. No loss, since everyone automatically was back to life in the expansion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:55:48 2020 No.6337223 >>6337175 Viconia isn't a faggot Elf deities are for faggots She also hates elves, because they are faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:57:50 2020 No.6337228 >>6337190 The path to redemption is a difficult one. I really like more how Eberron handles deities and the alignment of their priests though. >>6337179 SCS?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:58:41 2020 No.6337229 >>6337179 I didn't like ToB as well for a while, got burnt out by Abazigal's lair, but replaying it a couple times more with Ascension (obivously) and Wheels of Prophecy, I end up enjoying it more and more every time

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:30:46 2020 No.6337307

>>6337228
I'm not saying she couldn't fit for Ellistrae, it's possible, I'm just saying that until Throne Of Bhaal, she just isn't in the right mindset for that.
Also, I wonder if there's any consequences from changing your deity of worship multiple times?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:53:11 2020 No.6337380 >>6337228 No, not playing ToB with SCS. I don't have it memorized.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:54:57 2020 No.6337386 >>6337380 there's no need, just buff up evertiem

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:56:49 2020 No.6337395 >>6337307 The drow are too cartoonishly evil anyways, but the beginning story of many worshippers of that goddess started like Viconia, although she's too arrogant to even consider it I guess. Some other disgraced drows worship nastier (drow) gods.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:00:56 2020 No.6337405 it's nice to have these threads more regularly, thanks to whoever posting them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:01:38 2020 No.6337407 >>6337395 >although she's too arrogant to even consider it I guess I think that arrogance can be overcome, she overcomes a lot in BG2. I just don't think she'd accept the idea of Ellistrae until a good while after Charname turns her away from evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:02:10 2020 No.6337412 wowie zowie another autistic shit flinging general

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:06:07 2020 No.6337418 >>6337407 Yeah, she's too entrenched into the essence of the drow race and her (former) position on it to do so. I think male drows are more likely to do so considering their position in the drow society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:17:16 2020 No.6337442 Can I be an orc or what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:31:23 2020 No.6337469 What is the most dickish encounter in the Infinity games and why is it that Basilisk in Durlag's Tower out of nowhere?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 15:56:46 2020 No.6337545 >>6337469 A random basilisk ambush you can get while travelling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:00:19 2020 No.6337557 >>6337469 It's either that or the one with the shitload of bandit archers surrounding you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:00:29 2020 No.6337558 >>6337442 Half-Orc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:19:35 2020 No.6337608 >>6337469 >not always keeping potions of mirrorred eyes for your PC and scrolls of stone to flesh for your party members just in case

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:30:35 2020 No.6337643

>>6337545
That one actually made me choke on my own spit in rage.

>>6337608
That's great if you have Mirrored Eyes potions, but they're not too available early on in the game, so if you wander into a Bassilisk, you're fucked for actually fighting them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:36:00 2020 No.6337660 >>6337643 >made me choke Tell me about it. I've never encountered it before in my life, until my last run, when it just popped on my screen and turned Edwin to stone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:56:35 2020 No.6337726 >>6337643 Isn't protection from petrification like, level 1 or 2 mage spell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:58:48 2020 No.6337738 >>6337643 >but they're not too available early on in the game yeah there are, I'm at the bandit camp and I have 3 or 4 lying around in a potion case you probably won't even use that many throughout the entire game

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:14:53 2020 No.6337784

>>6337726

Spell level depends on your game edition.
It also assumes you have access to it, have it prepared when you meet the basilisk, have time to cast it, have the basilisk focus on the guy you just cast it on and that it does not run out before you manage to murder it.

>>6337738

Bandit camp is not early game and the only ones accessible at this point are the ones sold in High Hedge.
Or random drops you have to get lucky for.
They are also for stockpiling to use against Aec'Letec.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:21:40 2020 No.6337802

>>6337784
>Or random drops you have to get lucky for.
I get some literaly everytime I play
You have to be really, really unlucky to get the basilisk ambush before having a chance to get one
And even then, in the very off chance that it happens, you can still drink a potion of invisibility to save your charname

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:22:44 2020 No.6337807 >>6337784 >Spell level depends on your game edition. also no they don't, unless you use spell revisions but it doesn't affect protection from petrification anyway protection from petrification always was and always will be a level 1 mage spell.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:34:11 2020 No.6337831

>>6337784
IIRC protection from petrification has long duration so you can always prebuff. If you didn't prebuff, you can always cast it on the target of basilisks petrification ability, which should act as a projectile. It has a casting time of 1 so it's almost instantaneous. Once you are protected, basilisks are literally free 10k XP. You just need a +1 or maybe +2 weapon on Khalid or some other fighter. I don't think they have that high AC so you can farm them for mad XP even in relative early game. Just send in one protected dude and have the rest of your party out of basilisks field of vision. They don't even move. Easiest early game ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:40:06 2020 No.6337845 Protection from petrification has a cast time. However, oddly enough, I've never gotten a game over from that bullshit basilisk encounter, the AI always starts with melee for me.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:41:26 2020 No.6337850

>>6337831
You don't aways have time to cast protection from petrification in the very rare event you get ambushed by one or two basilisks, your charname has a good chance of being instantly petrified if he's on the first position with most formations.
This is the only real instance where you'd really need a potion of mirrored eyes. Maybe the one in Durlag, though you can probably retreat from this one fast enough to get your mage to cast protection from petrification or use a green scroll.
You should see the one in candlekeep coming if you just don't barge in, you see petrified statues before the basilisks themselves. And everyone and their mother warns you about the one in Baldur's Gate.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:45:04 2020 No.6337864

>>6337831
>You just need a +1 or maybe +2 weapon
not even, even the greater basilisks take damage from normal weapons, they also have really shitty thac0 and ac
you can just grab two scrolls from high hedge and xzar, have him cast it, and watch Korax kill basilisks east of the Temple for about 26-27k free XP right out of candlekeep.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:51:46 2020 No.6337881

>>6337726
Haven't necessarily picked up a mage by chapter 2 or 3.

>>6337738
Bandit Camp is almost at the middle.

>>6337802
I never seem to get potion of Mirrored Eyes as a random drop. Also potion of invisibility does me a fat lot of good if I'm forced to run away and abandon a party member somewhere I can never go back and rescue him.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:10:48 2020 No.6337924

>>6337831
>You just need a +1 or maybe +2 weapon
BG1 does not have a "is hurt only by +x weapons" flag at all. Greater wolfweres (with their unique demand for silver/cold iron), vampiric wolves and the Doomsayer (who are susceptible to any sort of magic weapon) are the only exceptions.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:18:19 2020 No.6337945

>>6337881
>Bandit Camp is almost at the middle.
again, there is almost no chance to meet this fucking ambush before getting a potion of mirrored eyes, and if you didn't have one, tough luck, you should have just bought some.
Also yeah, losing party members is part of the game, if you don't like it, reload.
The conditions you describe, where you meet this ambush without a mage, without a green scroll, without a potion of mirrored eyes are either completely infinitesimal, this ambush never pops early, or completely your fault if you don't have at least one of these by the time you're likely to encounter it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 19:10:35 2020 No.6338021 >>6337881 >Bandit Camp is almost at the middle. It's the second main quest you get, you only need to do nashkel mines beforehands. Cloakwood is longer than nashkel + bandit camp combined and then you have the city of bg proper and all that follows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 22:08:24 2020 No.6338387 File: 24 KB, 255x400, 7166b454a43e446dbf8c522c286cc053.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] im in love with dorf saving throws

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 22:21:45 2020 No.6338413 >>6338387 just remember that SCS balors cut your head off without a saving throw no reason why I'm mentioning this out of the blue, why would you ask

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 22:36:50 2020 No.6338440 >>6338413 I'm very proud of Korgan killifying a Balor because of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:29:02 2020 No.6338832 >>6338387 Bribing people into playing ugly races. Not that I mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:36:37 2020 No.6338846 Does neverwinter nights get discussed here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:37:20 2020 No.6338848 >>6338846 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:54:26 2020 No.6338872 File: 244 KB, 513x482, awol.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6337058 Pic for your next IE thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 02:56:53 2020 No.6338875 >>6338872 Saved for the occasion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:14:38 2020 No.6338903 >>6338872 Is this beamdog? What's up with the moronic description.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:27:41 2020 No.6338932 >>6338903 It's from a very old mod so you'd know about going to check the Twisted Rune (I guess).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:33:37 2020 No.6338940 >>6338932 I read up that it's from Baldurdash, but I had no idea Shangalar was Koshi's (the guy with celestial fury) rival? Not sure how that was deduced.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:36:08 2020 No.6338943

>>6337190
What about Vhaeraun?
He's still evil, just not the Lolth brand I-will-fuck-myself-over stupid evil.
There was even a running joke back in the day, that if any other drow deity was in charge instead of Lolth, the drow would be a much bigger threat then they are now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:48:49 2020 No.6338959 >>6338943 Wasn't he the villain of that Spider Queen 6-book saga? I got bored during the 3rd book, so didn't finish it, but I have a faint memory of him being around and Lloth having disappeared.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 03:55:38 2020 No.6338970 >>6338903 Pretty sure it's just bugged dialogue, that's one of the options when talking to the twisted rune lich. I had a similar problem with spell descriptions being replaced with bohdi dialogue.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 04:08:51 2020 No.6338996

>>6338959
Possibly. IIRC the biggest villain of the saga was still Lolth.
Vhaeraun is a twin brother of Eilistraee and a son of Lolth and Corellon who wants to fuck his mother over because she did him dirty back in the day. That and he was running the drow pantheon way back in the day, until Lolth dethroned him.
Him and Eilistraee are the "reasonable" drow deities. While Eilistraee wants the drow to play nice with the surfacers and each other, so they can build some lasting society, Vhaeraun still wants to take over the surface world, he's just much more pragmatic about it and is willing to buddy up with surfacers when situation calls for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 05:49:19 2020 No.6339186 >>6338413 That shit was stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:01:37 2020 No.6339223 >>6338943 >that if any other drow deity was in charge instead of Lolth, the drow would be a much bigger threat then they are now Sounds legit, that bitch runs the place like Stalin with ovaries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 06:44:13 2020 No.6339290 >>6339186 Not really tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:35:24 2020 No.6339364 There's no SCS for the original Baldur's Gate without enchanced shit or the "fuse it with BG2" mods? I thought of doing a new run since I never tried it but if it doesn't work with the original that kills it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:39:27 2020 No.6339369 >>6339364 No, only works with tutu, easytutu, BGT, or the EE, not vanilla BG1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:40:53 2020 No.6339371 >>6339369 Shit. There's any mods for the original? I haven't been into it since years ago but I remember 2 always took all the mods and 1 was an easy-of-use patch and absolutely nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:41:46 2020 No.6339373 >>6339364 Also I don't get why that would kill it, what's your problem with that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:43:17 2020 No.6339375 >>6339373 Well, for some reason I had the idea that it could work so it just kills the novelty of doing a new run since I must have ended the game like a dozen times already.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:47:58 2020 No.6339381

>>6339371
Tweaks anthology, and a bunch of weird old difficulty mods like Dark side of the sword Coast, Dark Horizons and shit
But, there's a reason SCS is still played while those kinda faded, and it should be obvious pretty quick
>>6339375
What do you want to try, vanilla BG1 or SCS

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:48:20 2020 No.6339384 >>6339371 There are, there just aren't many mods for BG1 because it's always been harder to code for. You can still play something like Grey Clan, Drizzt Saga or Dark Side of the Sword Coast. No guarantees regarding quality or stability, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:59:18 2020 No.6339412 >>6339381 Original BG1 with SCS. I would not touch enhanced for shit, trilogy/tutu are a pain to install and I never liked the interface of 2 in 1. Maybe they are dumb reasons but it can't be helped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:24:16 2020 No.6339449 >>6339412 Yeah they are dumb reasons indeed. I can understand not wanting to give beamdog any shekels, but installing easytutu or BgT is ez as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:36:58 2020 No.6339469

>>6339449
I've been playing the original since so many years ago that playing it with some slightly different graphics and interface feels kinda weird.
Also I love how the character models looked in BG1 while I don't like the BG2 ones too much, that's also why I had problems with Heart of Winter, but I think there was a mod for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:47:18 2020 No.6339485 >>6339469 http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=134&Itemid=94 you can use this mod to play with the bg1 stone gui in bg2

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:53:04 2020 No.6339503 >>6339485 Now this is good, after that I will only need a mod that mantains the original character models, but I don't know if that was even possible at all with BG2 engine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:54:47 2020 No.6339507 >>6339503 >maintains the original character models no thats not possible http://www.shsforums.net/topic/55047-1ppv410-release-download-discussion/ this is a really neat mod for bg2, improves the visuals greatly and adds the bg1 paperdolls to bg2

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:57:01 2020 No.6339510 >>6339507 Thanks. Still, I think I will give Tutu a try with the interface mod. Last time I installed it must have been like 8 years ago and I remember it took me like one entire day, I guess things have improved since then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:58:49 2020 No.6339513 >>6339510 I recommend Trilogy instead of Tutu, its less buggier that Tutu and Tutu is pretty much outdated in comparison

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:00:07 2020 No.6339519 >>6339513 Uhm, but the cool interface mod is for Tutu. There's anything similar for trilogy maybe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:01:13 2020 No.6339524 >>6339519 the mod works for Trilogy too, just be sure thats it the LAST mod you install, so when you get to bg2 you can uninstall it and it will revert back to the original bg2 ui

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:02:29 2020 No.6339526 >>6339524 Nice, I will try that then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 10:21:45 2020 No.6339696 File: 14 KB, 300x267, phelps1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6338413 >no reason why I'm mentioning this out of the blue, why would you ask

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 10:41:00 2020 No.6339739 >>6338832 Halflings get the same saving throws as Dwarves and can romance all the ladies why do bitches love Halflings so much?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 11:02:03 2020 No.6339784 >>6339739 Hairy dicks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 12:12:44 2020 No.6339997 >>6339739 /ss/ vibes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 13:04:47 2020 No.6340140 File: 105 KB, 542x700, EFVY2jlUYAA6VUm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6339997 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 13:45:30 2020 No.6340198 >>6337064 dont forget (ho)mam generals

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 14:29:16 2020 No.6340325 >>6340198 Infinity Engine Threads, HOMM generals, Doom threads, and the occasional Gameboy/Wario threads, are what keeps this board alive for me.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:25:42 2020 No.6340594

>>6338903
>>6338932
No, it wasn't from EE or a mod, it's the original BG2. All I remember is that there was a really high open locks skill check somewhere in the bridge district (sorry, memory is foggy as it was some years ago) and I beat it by stacking potions. Got that rogue stone, and in the next chapter it showed that description. I think it was behind a painting (maybe Neb's place?) but I'm not sure.

I've never seen it mentioned by anyone else, perhaps it's an unknown oddity because most players sell/use rogue stones immediately instead of hoarding them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:27:27 2020 No.6340596 >>6340140 Excellent taste in manga

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:35:34 2020 No.6340624 >>6340594 I also always hoard them but sure as hell don't check every gem's description. Nice find.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:41:19 2020 No.6340646

>>6340594
there are only two rogue stone items in the game files, misc45.itm and dmgem1.itm, and they both have one description
Since descriptions are contained in the same file as dialogs, and the .itm files only point at the relevant line in it, having descriptions overwritten by lines of dialog and vice versa is a common bug, especially when loading a save made with a different modlist.
There is also no mechanism that I've ever heard of to replace an item description with another during playthrough
I would honestly bet on a bug and a fun coincidence that it loads precsiely this line.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:45:50 2020 No.6340653 File: 543 KB, 1488x874, rogue stone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pic related

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:56:28 2020 No.6340705 >>6340646 I wasn't using any mods, and given the alignment of that description with the context, it seems too coincidental to be a bug. Is there an easy way to search those files for all or part of that text?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:59:41 2020 No.6340719 >>6340705 yeah, Nearinfinty, which the screenshots are from

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:01:28 2020 No.6340729 >>6340653 I see... Well, you obviously know more about the internals than I do, but the particular text+context doesn't strike me as random enough to be just a bug. I guess I'll try to reproduce it some day and pay more attention.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:06:02 2020 No.6340754

https://github.com/NearInfinityBrowser/NearInfinity/wiki
I've mostly only used it to edit item appearances, I'm not an expert on it at all.
But you can use it to do pretty much anything you want, and even for a casual user it's pretty neat to have, good complement to shadowkeeper.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:09:37 2020 No.6340768

>>6340719
Don't know what you're talking about, I used print screen button for that screenshot.

I was playing the GOG version 1.0.0.5 of BG2+TOB. I may have patched it with 'BG2ThroneOfBhaalFixPack112', but that's it. Maybe something in the GOG package or that patch is responsible, but I don't see any obvious reason why that would be the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:11:33 2020 No.6340776 >>6340719 Ah cool, thanks. Maybe I'll dig in with that and see what I can find.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:12:42 2020 No.6340778 >>6340768 No I mean this screnshot >>6340653

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 17:14:21 2020 No.6340782 >>6340778 Yeah I gotcha, my malfunction. Thanks again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:45:45 2020 No.6341708 >>6338970 Ah shit, missed this post. You're right, I didn't realize that it's straight out of the Shangalar dialogue. Bug it is.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:59:05 2020 No.6341726

So, I've been enjoying the slow pace of BG1, and it got me thinking that perhaps I should replay BG2 as I used to do compulsively in my teens.

There's the fact that they put out new content, the Siege of Dragonspear or whatever the heck, and the idea of playing a vampire doesn't sound too bad either.

But, EE looks atrocious, first I'd need it NOT to look like fucking league of legends, and no, I never played a single game of that in my life.
Is it possible to make the EE not look like a fucking abortion they made it into? I guess I can stand SJW writing for a single playthrough, but looking at smoothed, outlined, and generally raped atmosphere of the original BG2 would be just too gruelling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 00:56:50 2020 No.6341823 >>6341726 I find BG1 faster pace than 2. It is shorter and the fights are more about kiting and moving around. All of those graphics options for EE can be disabled under settings, including outlines, life bars, and filtering.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 01:00:58 2020 No.6341829 I'm getting real sick of having to prebuff so much in tob, I almost miss back in bg1 where all I had to cast before a fight was haste and maybe a chant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 01:25:54 2020 No.6341882 >>6341829 I think that you can set up a script to run all the prebuffing.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 01:35:40 2020 No.6341909

>>6341829
I was gonna say that prebuffing was more critical for me in BG1, but that's actually not true now that I think about it. Sure helped a lot to be able to both Draw Upon Holy Might and Enrage at the same time though, I'm kinda miffed that I never got Draw Upon Holy Might back from Irenicus, even if I didn't particularly need it.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 02:00:15 2020 No.6341953

>>6341823
True. Fighting ankhegs has been unlike any fights in BG2, pretty fun.

Also, good. I feel like I'm going to regret exposing myself to quality beamdog OC, but at least the original VAs did some voice acting.

>>6341829
>I'm getting real sick of having to prebuff
Disregarding buffing and breaching spell immunities is like the entire point of the system, nothing is stopping you from turning down the difficulty to easy and steamrolling.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 03:03:58 2020 No.6342032

I plan to do a new run with something new I haven't been tried yet, how are figther/mage/thief multiclasses? And just thief/mage? Just thinking about some character that feels fun and can do lots of things, not anything extremely powerful. Also any kit that's particularly fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 03:08:11 2020 No.6342034 >>6342032 Also I will use SCS so it doesn't need to be a cripple either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 03:41:04 2020 No.6342085 >>6342032 >figther/mage/thief multiclasses? absolute shit. might as well go for a bard then because that's what bard is. then again, no harm in dual classing if you play an elf because that way you still can rake up exp for both classes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 03:43:35 2020 No.6342090 >>6342085 I think I will go for fighter/mage then, it seems like something it should work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 04:53:00 2020 No.6342157 >>6342090 You prolly ought to Kensai/Mage then. If you want thief, swashbuckler gets to use any item later in ToB, the freedom of getting to combine everything is comfy if you're not min-maxing specifics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 05:10:22 2020 No.6342185 >>6342157 >swashbuckler gets to use any item later in ToB Wasn't just all thiefs that could do that in ToB?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 05:18:22 2020 No.6342194 >>6341726 Nobody is forcing you to play dragonspear, and removing all traces of beamdog's writing only takes installing the mod Covenient EE NPCs

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 05:25:30 2020 No.6342207

>>6342185
Yes, but swashbuckler is specifically melee oriented which is what you want, no?
>>6342194
Well, dragonspear is the extra content. I guess I'd want to see how awful it is? I'm going to pirate anyway, so it's not like it matters. What I care about most is turning off those godawful filters and healthbars.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 05:50:49 2020 No.6342257 >>6342157 Never understood the point of pure swashbuckler when fighter/thief exists and does same everything but better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 05:52:38 2020 No.6342259 >>6342207 You can turn off all the filters and healthbars.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 06:03:16 2020 No.6342274

>>6342207
I mean, you'll wonder around and kill monsters, get a drop of extra experience in the grand scheme of things. Play around with the shit NPCs you get.

I guess if you wanted to see a Skald in action and use their retarded ass shaman class too.

We're all locked up anyway, it's worth taking a look at.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 06:32:11 2020 No.6342304

>>6342257
Well, you are capped at 8mil XP. Picking a dual class means you get 4mil worth of trash ToB abilities on the thief side, whereas swashbuckler gets whirlwind, is able to skill dual-wielding to 3, and gets +1dmg/thac0 every 5 levels as well as the other swashbuckler specific bonuses.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 06:37:40 2020 No.6342310 >>6342257 Also, if realizing your chars true potential at melyssan in ToB is your idea of fun, then that's fine, but a pure class should be more enjoyable with access to Use Any Item way earlier, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 06:59:42 2020 No.6342329 >>6342304 >less APR than fighter/thief >thief THAC0 progression

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:01:09 2020 No.6342332 >>6342304 I wasn't talking about dual class, but multi fighter/thief. Which gets fighter thac0, more apr, better weapon choice, better armor choice and better hlas. Also can backstab. What's the point of swashbuckler again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:17:52 2020 No.6342361 >>6342332 I already told you, swashbuckler bonuses and UAI. Splitting XP to a thief on a multiclass is not a smart thing to do if you're min-maxing dmg.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:26:02 2020 No.6342373

>>6342361
>min-maxin dmg
>swashbuckler bonuses
What bonuses? F/T gets 1.5 more apr (specialization and fighter levels), can use better weapons like FoA, Crom Faeyr or Axe of Unyielding, has better thac0, more hp, can facetank with hardiness and Defender of Easthaven. Swashbuckler bonuses do not trump that, especially when F/T doesn't need to use whirlwind and can just pop Crit Strikes while improv hasted. Swashbuckler can't even use helmets before hlas! This is like another "monk is a lategame powerhouse" bullshit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:28:33 2020 No.6342375

>>6342361
But fighter/thief gets UAI at the same time as swashbuckler, the +THAC0 doesn't even equalize the difference between swash's thief THAC0 progression and fighter/thief's THAC0 progression and the +dmg bonus doesn't equalize the difference in APR. The +AC bonus is something, I guess.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:35:46 2020 No.6342385

>>6342373
Your logic is piss-poor, YES Fighter is better than swashbuckler because it's Fighter, but it makes fuck-all sense to multi-class it with thief and split the XP. Why roll thief when you can get Fighter/Mage and get your money's worth as far as min-maxing is concerned?
>>6342375
>But fighter/thief gets UAI at the same time as swashbuckler
You've got to be meming here. The XP is split between the two classes. Again, don't roll a stupid combo, the fuck do you need UAI for if you're already on a class that mostly can already wear all the good gear?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:41:04 2020 No.6342392 >>6342385 > the fuck do you need UAI for To wear items that are restricted to special alignments, classes or particular characters?

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:47:54 2020 No.6342401

>>6342392
And I suppose that justifies delaying your Fighter level progression/other class than thief that's actually useful just to get it at level 24 late in ToB? You just complained about monk not becoming a powerhouse soon enough, but you're ok with halving XP gain for your Fighter class at nearly no benefit. Huh???

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:55:04 2020 No.6342408

both swashbuckler and fighter/thief dual-class are pretty shit beacuse they are excluded from getting hardiness, on insane difficulty you'll die pretty fast in late-game SoA or ToB without the phyisical resistance, you have no access to armor of faith or arcane protections, theyre just as bad in the frontline as your single class thief
i guess a fighter/thief dual-class character could work if youre going to play an archer-type character and have him in the backline

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:57:54 2020 No.6342414 >>6342385 You get hlas once your total exp hits 3 mil so multiclasses get theirs once both classes are at 1.5mil. Only exception is mages who have to be at 3 mil no matter what.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 07:58:38 2020 No.6342417

>>6342401
First of all, the other dude is not me. I don't particularly care to rush fighter levels above level 13. F/T gets his big powerspike when he gets to his HLAs which is about level 14/16 or 17, I don't remember. From thereon he can do things other classes can't, mostly because of UAI.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:02:07 2020 No.6342426

>>6342408
Since when doesn't F/T get hardiness? He gets everything from both thief and fighter HLA pools. If anything, he can become a better tank than anyone else thanks to cheese like Hardiness + Defender of Easthaven + Jansens Advanture Wear. While being able to do sick damage.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:50:56 2020 No.6342469

>>6342426
dual-class characters only get the HLAs of their current class, multiclass characters get access to both
so a dual-class fighter/thief would only have access to thief HLAs (no hardiness), which makes the multiclass fighter/thief the superior choice

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 08:59:53 2020 No.6342484

>>6342469
Yeah, I've noticed that you were talking about F/T dual class instead of F/T multiclass only after I've made the post. I've missed it at first because we were talking about the multiclass version and also my boss was hiding in shadows behind my back. My bad.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:20:45 2020 No.6342506

Kinda still feeling the drive for some BG, but I've done everything up to Throne Of Bhaal. I'd kind of wanna start over from the beginning, but then I'd either roll a Berserker again (which I was very comfortable and satisfied with, suiting my caveman brain), or try something outside of my comfort zone I don't really want to.
Then I'd have to choose later between Viconia, or any of the other girls I just don't give a fuck about, and I like her and don't want the others.
It'd be kind of stupid to play the same character the same way again though.

This is a dumb post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:24:04 2020 No.6342510 >>6342506 Play what you enjoy, that's all what matters in the end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:28:33 2020 No.6342517 >>6342510 I guess I could just go through it in a similar way again (maybe with some different party members this time). I need to reinstall BG1 though, because it fucking crashes when I enter the Friendly Arms Inn.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:29:28 2020 No.6342521 >>6342506 Reminder that you can edit companion classes with shadow keeper There's nothing wrong with replaying the same class, you still have 5 other slots that you can change around for completely different gameplay

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:29:40 2020 No.6342523 >>6342517 Swap the alignment and go for a different party setup. Maybe experiment with dualling. Berserker is one of the best kits to dual from (into cleric or mage usually).

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:31:38 2020 No.6342529

So I decided to run with a mostly good party this time. My arcane casters are Jan, Aerie and Nalia. I can't help but feel cheated because I have two whiny bitches instead of chaEdwin who's better than these two combined. Fuck me, I guess I'm gonna reroll and be evil again, gate is not the same without Korgan and a beast of a mage with all the slots in the world.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:37:21 2020 No.6342548

>>6342521
I suppose I could maybe 'tune up' the stats and alter some of the things about companions and stuff, though I'd have to bump up the difficulty more to feel right about that.
Can I use the trainer to make ridiculous dual-classes, like say I make Imoen some sort of Thief/Bard multiclass abomination? That's probably extremely useless, but I wonder what would happen.

>>6342523
I usually feel bad about being real evil in RPGs, well, RPGs that I really like and which have nice characters (I was fine with playing evil in Fallout 3 because I gave pretty much no fucks about any of the characters, and because there's preciously few consequences of importance 99% of the time).

It feels nice to be the hero, slaying evil creatures, etc.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:37:39 2020 No.6342549

>>6342506
I'm really tempted to start another run the second I beat tob but I know I'll just get burnt out if I do another playthrough so soon.
Last year I did like 3 runs in a row and after that just thinking about doing another made me feel naseues, couldn't even look at the game for months.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:43:14 2020 No.6342560 >>6342529 just play chaotic neutral chad and have your party mixed with good and evil characters for me it's >Korgan >Mazzy >Aerie >Jan >Edwin

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:43:36 2020 No.6342561

>>6342548
I don't like being evil either, but I played a Lawful Evil character some time ago. I still ended with high reputation because I respect the laws of men and understood the advantages of being loved by all. However, I'd still be ruthless to my enemies and my ultimate goal was to ascent to godhood.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:44:35 2020 No.6342562

>>6342549
I haven't played Baldur's Gate in forever, like seriously a long time ago, back in my teens/twenties before I started and stopped cutting myself.
It was really refreshing because I don't play a lot of other games like it, Morrowind would be the closest in terms of a good fantasy RPG which I really like and have a lot of personal attachment to, but it obviously plays entirely differently from BG1+2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:49:10 2020 No.6342572 One of the reasons I really want to replay is because I fucking love the music in these games, it's so goddamn good. That said, is there a way to add back the tavern music that's missing in EE?

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:51:50 2020 No.6342578

I guess what I can do is to not stick with Minsc all that long, I'll go pick up Dynaheir and then we'll do the mines, then trade him off for like, Kagain or someone.
I know Edwin is a great mage, but is there anyone else worth picking up? Xan is kind of anemic, my memory tells me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:51:54 2020 No.6342580 >>6342572 yeah its called playing the originals with Baldur's Gate Trilogy instead

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:52:48 2020 No.6342583 >>6342572 The scumbags even removed tavern ambient? Incredible

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:54:15 2020 No.6342589 >>6342578 Dynaheir and Edwin are the best mages in the game so its worth having them both in your party Xan can't use Evocation spells (but he can use wands so he is still good) and Xzar can't cast illusion spells which makes him extremely vulnerable

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:54:48 2020 No.6342592
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>>6342580
What's the practical difference between doing that and running BG1 and BG2 separately?
Also is the installer supposed to just do nothing? It didn't the last time.

>>6342583
There's like, one, rather than the multiple different ones.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:55:46 2020 No.6342598

>>6342580
I tried installing this once but after I finished the BG1 and transferred into BG2, the game shat itself and crashed every time I tried to exist Irenicus' dungeon. I didn't even mod the game too much, just the usual Ascension, SCS, fixes and tweaks. Was that just a fluke and should I try again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:57:22 2020 No.6342603 >>6342578 Koran is a fantastic archer and thief.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 09:57:30 2020 No.6342604 >>6342592 >What's the practical difference between doing that and running BG1 and BG2 separately? Tome bonuses will carry over to BG2. That includes bonuses spent on Jaheira, Minsc and Imoen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 10:03:19 2020 No.6342614 >>6342604 I just spent those on myself because I knew it wouldn't transfer on the others, and that worked out for me. Not a big deal IMO. Installer still isn't doing anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 10:37:03 2020 No.6342685 I seem to recall from the original game that there at least in the game files existed plate armor which was explicitly stated to be made out of bronze, and had a yellowish color. Am I imagining this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 11:55:55 2020 No.6342807 First time trying SCS and I'm not noticing too much change, is it normal? I guess things get more interesting with high level wizards and shit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:00:58 2020 No.6342818

>>6342807
There's not much difference for early BG1 no, or for BG1 as a whole, it's only the good encounters that are changed, there wont be much difference for wilderness trash mobs. Aside from the occasional call for help or mage.
It greatly impacts "boss" fights in BG1, and pretty much everything in BG2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:04:43 2020 No.6342824 >>6342818 I see. I guess I didn't have to configure anything after the installation right? I read something about difficulty levels but I couldn't figure were was that supposed to be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:04:45 2020 No.6342825 >>6342807 depends how far are you in the game, there's not that many mages in bg1, also it depends on what difficulty you set the game to, might wanna check that that all mages and priests and pre-cast spells

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:06:24 2020 No.6342828 >>6342824 Read the readme

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:08:17 2020 No.6342829 >>6342807 Bandit Camp is much harder (entire camp is pulled), Davaeorn can be rough (infinite guard spawn) and some other encounters are harder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:11:14 2020 No.6342836 >>6342828 Yes, that's were I read it but it says; >or on non-Enhanced games by a new special ability granted to your character But I don't know what it's referring to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:13:07 2020 No.6342840 >>6342836 The special ability menu, the little star at the extreme right of the lower bar when you have a character selected

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:14:05 2020 No.6342842 >>6342840 Uhm, there's nothing there though, just the skills you get every chapter. Weird.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:18:29 2020 No.6342853 So Siege Of Dragonspear probably has dogshit for writing, but what's the adventuring like?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:20:00 2020 No.6342854 >>6342842 I use the EE so cant help you more than that, but you should definitely have something there Check the SCS forum https://www.gibberlings3.net/forums/forum/118-sword-coast-stratagems/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:20:13 2020 No.6342857 >>6342853 dogshit its better to know nothing about SoD than to know anything about it I guess if you have nothing better to do and just want to play an Infinity Engine game as shitty as it may be, go ahead and play it, but is it worth playing? no

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:20:52 2020 No.6342861 >>6342854 It's not a big deal, but without touching that option in what difficulty I'm actually playing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:21:01 2020 No.6342862 >>6342853 Icewind Dale style encounter design but worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:21:37 2020 No.6342864 >>6342842 In the options menu, next to feeeback, autopause, etc. there should be a new option. Clicking on it will open a new dialogue menu.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:27:10 2020 No.6342878

>>6342861
The difficulty you select on the slider, they are all replaced. Changing it alters all difficulty-dependant SCS settings, and completely replace the old difficulty slider. (If you want to re-enable insane double damage you have to use the console for example, see customizations option)
The special ability is there to fine tune it, changing specific components.
It's all there at the start of the readme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:52:06 2020 No.6342928 >>6342807 The first mage in Friendly arms inn should prebuff with mirror image and spring fucking sequencer on you. But I guess you didn't install the hardcore mage option.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:52:56 2020 No.6342930 >>6342928 Nope, that didn't happen, and I have to say I expected something with that mage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 12:58:07 2020 No.6342943 >>6342857 I see. So the dungeons are completely uninspired and boring? >>6342862 Never played the dales, how's that like?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 13:36:12 2020 No.6343002 >>6342943 Swarms of goblins and skeletons.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 13:36:23 2020 No.6343004

>>6342943
Icewind Dale 1 and 2 are good games, great visuals, great music, great voice acting when its there
its linear and with a heavy focus on melee combat, you dont encounter that many mages like in bg1 and 2, and the fights are not as interesting, the game just keeps mindlessly throwing hordes of enemies at you to chop up
nevertheless its still a very fun and comfy game with a nice aesthetic

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 14:06:54 2020 No.6343037 >>6342930 crank that up to insane

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 15:28:27 2020 No.6343168

>>6343004

> you dont encounter that many mages

To be fair, I don't remember magic being that offensively strong in IWD1.
Having a different spell selection and differently implemented spells doesn't help.
That first Horrid Wilting into a melee had not the desired effect...

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 15:47:45 2020 No.6343208 Why the fuck barbarian rage doesn't prevent getting webbed Is web not a hold effect?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 15:49:43 2020 No.6343215 >>6343208 Because Barbarian is a filthy 3e class and a poor man's berserker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 15:53:09 2020 No.6343223 File: 490 KB, 3180x4720, violate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6343208 >>6343215 BERSERKER MASTER RACE

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:14:51 2020 No.6343267 why the fuck is my bag of holding that I added with keeper full of magical weapons and seemingly invisible non-items that can't be deleted from my inventory, some which are unidentified

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:32:58 2020 No.6343298 >>6343223 >>6343215 I just didn't want to copy Korgan and wanted to have some phys res so I could give DoE to my dorf buddy...

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:37:34 2020 No.6343308 File: 113 KB, 654x476, Beamdog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you act quickly, Beamdog is selling six portraits for their EE version for only $9.99 (down from $20) don't miss out on your chance to support the developer of Baldur's Gate!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:39:02 2020 No.6343309 >>6343308 Weren't they really shitty?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:39:42 2020 No.6343310 >>6343309 Uh, no, they're $20 portraits, clearly they're very good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:46:27 2020 No.6343323 File: 342 KB, 420x660, Half-Elf_Female_Cleric_Portrait_HEFC_G.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6343310 They aren't Icewind Dale portraits and therefore low-tier by default.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 16:59:38 2020 No.6343347
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>>6343267
because I bet you added it to BGEE and chose one of those with a nice color scheme
These are ToB bags of holding, when you start a new character straight in ToB you get one of those filled with a few essential equipment
There is equipment missing because these items aren't present in the BGEE gamefiles (despite the bags being in it with aforementioned equipment, go figure)
If you want to get them empty, get Nearinfinity,, edit the corresponding .sto file (not the .itm, bags of holding are functionally stores apparently) and remove all items in it, pic related, it's pretty easy.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:09:03 2020 No.6343368
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The moment of truth, will this shitty port crash when I enter Friendly Arm Inn?

>>6343347
That makes sense. If I manage to empty out all the not-items, and put my own items in it, will they poof if I make that edit now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:11:03 2020 No.6343375 >>6343368 no, your items will stay, it edits the game file so it's only when you first open it that it will be modified. If I were you I'd reload a previous save before you consoled it in, or pick another of these bags, there's a buttload of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:13:18 2020 No.6343382 File: 2.36 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr003.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And it didn't! Fantastic! Let's hope this rickety piece of shit manages to hold together this entire trip. >>6343375 It happened with the other bags too.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:14:33 2020 No.6343384

>>6343382
yeah of course it does, what I mean is empty the .sto then add it to your inventory. As soon as you add a bag of holding to your inventory, its content are saved into your savefile so even if you modify the .sto file, the items in it will still be here when you reload this save.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:16:47 2020 No.6343392 >>6343382 >>6343384 But if you create another character and add that same bag of holding after having edited the .sto, or reload a save made before you add this bag to your inventory, and then console it in again, the bag will show up empty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 17:21:03 2020 No.6343401 >>6343384 >>6343392 Hmm, that sounds reasonable enough. I guess we'll see if this caveman fucks everything up or not.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:04:30 2020 No.6343506

>>6343004
>the fights are not as interesting
You think so? I think they're very well designed. Enemy placement usually makes pulling single enemies harder and the battles flow nicely from one to another. There are also some amazing highlights like Malavon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:06:18 2020 No.6343508 >>6343308 You have misunderstood. The portraits cost 2 dollars normally and they're on sale for 1 dollar at the moment. The price in your picture is for the game itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:20:51 2020 No.6343542 >>6342401 >>6342385 this person believes triple classers can't get HLAs because they'd be stuck with 2,666,666 XP on each class

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:34:56 2020 No.6343560 Triple-classers shouldn't get HLAs, 9th level mage spells, or 7th level cleric spells. Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:36:41 2020 No.6343562 >>6343560 Being a weirdo who plays a triple class is punishment enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:36:51 2020 No.6343563 >>6343560 >Triple-classers shouldn't get >9th level mage spells They already don't. >Prove me wrong. Then they'd be really terrible, with nothing to look forward to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 18:38:43 2020 No.6343565 >>6343560 Triple class doesn't get lvl 9 mage spells anyway. If unmodded (no hlas as innate abilities), that also means most mage hlas are no-no.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:01:23 2020 No.6343593

>>6342506
Berserker is too good. Picked it my first time playing and realizing he could easily blow out the underdark by himself was very satisfying, especially since I was using the good party. Would probably be a lot more ways to get creative with it now that I'm not 13 anymore though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:19:09 2020 No.6343623 >>6342385 Because backstab is fun in SoA and F/T can backstab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:23:08 2020 No.6343629 >>6343560 Sounds gay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:25:15 2020 No.6343631 >>6343623 he is wrong on everything he wrote btw, you get HLAs at 3,000,000 total XP in all classes

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:29:12 2020 No.6343639 >>6343593 Berserker is so strong that it gets kind of boring.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:31:18 2020 No.6343643

>>6343593
Being able to slam through groups of Ogres like you're a Slipgate Ranger with a Quad Damage feels pretty gud. I also feel like I don't necessarily have to be as concerned with how good killing machines the rest of the party is, leaving a bit more room for roleplay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:34:09 2020 No.6343651 >>6343643 The strength of the class is that rage makes you immune to nearly every single status in the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 19:40:46 2020 No.6343669 >>6343651 It makes sirens far more bearable, usually it involves me moving in on them and putting the hurt on them, while they DON'T charm my party members, who are looking on from a distance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 20:24:47 2020 No.6343752 >>6343669 Also a fun reason to play Cavalier or Inquisitor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 22:20:09 2020 No.6344028 BY MORADIN'S HAMMER

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 22:21:26 2020 No.6344031 >>6343752 Yes! Speaking of good boys, would it make sense to take in Ajantis and turn him into a kit with keeper?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 22:21:35 2020 No.6344032 >>6343752 Basically the only things that are going to kill you in BG1 are horror, charm, or hold. So being immune to any of them kind of trivializes the game.

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 22:33:05 2020 No.6344060

>>6343631
Doesn't change that you get HLAs at a halved rate, which is a pretty big deal in ToB. Fighter > Swashbuckler, gimping Fighter to multiclass w/ Thief? Not worth over pure Fighter/F/M. Post item combos that make UAI worth picking up on F as F already gives it a wide range of equipment available to use. Not even nearly the same cost-to-performance ratio compared to Swash.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 22:42:35 2020 No.6344075 File: 1.03 MB, 810x610, advantages of pro manlet fighters.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey, this works, the Ogrillion is tall, Kagain is short, he can hack at his shins, I can chop at his arms and chest!

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 23:22:00 2020 No.6344149

>>6344060
>Doesn't change that you get HLAs at a halved rate
You don't. Every time you level up in either class past 3,000,000 XP, you get to pick from either HLA pool. A Fighter/Thief multiclass gets 23 HLAs over the course of levelling which he can spend wherever he wants, and he can even go pure thief or pure fighter HLAs if he prefers. A pure Thief gets 17 HLAs over the course of levelling. The pure Thief doesn't cap out on HLAs faster than the F/T, either, naturally.
>Post item combos that make UAI worth picking up on F as F already gives it a wide range of equipment available to use
Scarlet Ninja-To for the best +1 APR off-hand weapon (poison on-hit, hits as +3 which means it doesn't become utterly irrelevant like Belm is)
Carsomyr / SotM for the discerning solo warrior needing dispel utility
Spellscrolls allowing you for answers to multiple threats a solo Fighter would struggle with
Human Skin, Soul Reaver or other powerful alignment restricted weapons

Pre-EE you had the ability to wear the gear of any NPC including Jansen's Adventurewear meaning you could stack Hardiness + Defender of Easthaven + Jansen's Adventurewear for 85% damage reduction.
Swashbuckler can't become proficient in the weapons unlocked by UAI.
Swashbuckler doesn't get a bonus +0,5 attack from weapon specialization, only the THAC0/attack damage bonuses.
>gimping Fighter to multiclass with Thief
The final pre-HLA level on Fighter that matters is level 13, where you unlock your second 0,5 attack. After that, Fighter levels are a wash and if it weren't for future HLA progression, they largely do not matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 23:36:01 2020 No.6344178 >>6344149 >you get to pick from either HLA pool OK that's pretty broken, and I had no idea. This sounds OP in ways I haven't experienced before, and am pretty convinced to try it out by now. Does this all apply to EE or should I stick to vanilla?

Anonymous Wed Apr 15 23:44:12 2020 No.6344192

>>6343639
I adored my evil beserker/cleric. BG1 wasn't *too* easy because I dualed over to cleric at level 7. By TOB though, globe of blades + aura of flaming death made me into a walking cuisinart. Yeah the rage made some stuff too easy, but it was a satisfying power curve overall and on max diff. there are still enemies you have to plan for.

I have been tempted to have another go 'round with a character focused on backstab shenanigans, anyone have experience with that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 23:54:53 2020 No.6344215 >click on Edwin once >WHAT IS IT NOW!? Calm down dude.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:07:12 2020 No.6344417
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Game looks nicer without the linear filter, the way it's presented in options is kind of stupid, you toggle ON the option to not have it on.
Also this was totally intended to be a cave sometime during development, but it was forgotten or scrapped.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:16:13 2020 No.6344427 >>6344417 Game looks REALLY pixelated at 1440p. Raw pixels still looks a bit better than filtering, but it starts to look less bad at that point.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 02:28:47 2020 No.6344449
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>>6344427
It is what it is, I like looking at raw and crunchy pixels.
Also stumbled across this, I guess this part of the area wasn't perhaps composited so well when they made it, wonder why this one spot is so artifacted? Looks just as rough with the filtering on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:05:22 2020 No.6344485 >>6342878 >>6343037 Ok, it seems SCS wasn't installed at all, that's why I couldn't see the options. It seems SCS requires to install two previous mods to work, why the readme doesn't tell you that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:07:04 2020 No.6344491 >>6344485 are you playing the original baldur's gate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:07:18 2020 No.6344492 >>6344491 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:09:44 2020 No.6344502 >>6344492 SCS doesnt work with original baldur's gate, you need to install BGT or play EE

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:10:11 2020 No.6344503 >>6344502 But I'm playing BGT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 03:40:19 2020 No.6344534 >>6344502 Nevermind, it worked installing BG Fixes. It's a damn long installation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 04:12:39 2020 No.6344568 Y'know, the somewhat more toned down and down to earth medieval fantasy in BG1 is comf-tastic. The peasants and commoners, the noblemen, the simple castles and forts, the typical houses and buildings, the taverns and their music.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:27:07 2020 No.6344653 >>6344568 The transition to Athkatla was really jarring for me back in the day. I could almost smell this hot humid noisy gnomejew-ridden southern shithole.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:31:23 2020 No.6344657

>>6344534
Damn, after installing SCS in trilogy I'm fucked because the world map only appear to be the BG2 one so I can't really move anywhere after the first map outside candlekeep. Has someone had the same problem? It can be solved uninstalling some component or something like that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:38:47 2020 No.6344663 >>6344485 READ THE FUCKING README FOR FUCK'S SAKE RETARD IT TELLS YOU LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:41:08 2020 No.6344665 >>6344663 No, it doesn't, but I solved it anyway, don't worry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:41:17 2020 No.6344667 >>6344485 >seems SCS requires to install two previous mods to work, Fucking what the fuck are you even talking about Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:42:24 2020 No.6344669 >>6344665 Yes it does, your imaginary two mods that need to be installed are covered in the compatibility or something section, if you tried to install it on a pure vanilla classic Bg install it's because you didnt bother reading shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:43:12 2020 No.6344671 >>6344669 You're also not reading my posts, but as I said, it's solved, no need to worry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:44:35 2020 No.6344675 >>6344671 I don't worry, but your posts and your issues are incomprehensible

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 05:46:20 2020 No.6344680 >>6344657 Also, this seems an issue related to the installation order but it gets solved easily with the world map mod.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:14:10 2020 No.6344723 >>6344675 as I said, it's solved, no need to worry.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:44:19 2020 No.6344750

>>6344680
Your game should not get broken at any point if you follow the instructions and proper installation order. If your game got broken, it's probably still broken and you only fixed the most obvious and visible issue. Don't come crying here after you inevitably find out that you can't continue because the game decides to always crash at certain points or something.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:53:02 2020 No.6344763

>>6344723
Honestly nobody gives a fuck whether your problem is fixed or not, but if you can't post a precise description of your problem and start rambling about SCS needing other mods to work while pretending that the readme isnt perfectly clear on what you need to do and how, people are going to ask questions.
Your string of posts is barely understandable and concluding with "it's fixed" makes it completely useless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:53:29 2020 No.6344764 >>6344763 as I said, it's solved, no need to worry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:54:41 2020 No.6344768 >>6344764 For fucks sake....

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 06:57:57 2020 No.6344771
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>>6344763
>>6344768
You're just arguing with someone else who must be quite bored, please ignore it and continue with the thread, sorry. Just in case, I will reinstall everything if something else gets fucked so I will not post here about it soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 07:01:14 2020 No.6344775 Ignore the racist bigot troll. Report racists. Deplatform bigots. Only buy authentic Beamdog software.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 07:03:26 2020 No.6344779 >>6344775 And remember to always have Hexxat in your party.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 07:07:42 2020 No.6344785 >>6344178 This is how HLAs have always worked in any and all versions of the game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 08:56:39 2020 No.6344924 >>6344785 Just asking for a general opinion if Fighter/Thief was gimped in EE or something. I'm actually kinda excited to play a cool dual-wielder.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 09:09:08 2020 No.6344961

>>6344924
The main difference the EE brought about is that Jansen's Adventurewear and a handful of other NPC only items (though not all) are now not equippable even under UAI. Dubious change, but oh well. Fighter/Thief multi will otherwise play mostly the same, and remain strong.

Just remember that you cannot backstab with non-Thief weapons (you never could in neither vanilla nor EE), including weapons that a Thief could only equip if Use Any Item was in play. Staff of the Magi is a Staff (duh) so you'd think it could backstab, but because it's normally restricted to Mages, it's not a legitimate backstab weapon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 10:11:35 2020 No.6345029 I realized I only played IWD2 once, back when it first released. Any essential mods I should install? I remember it having an absolutely fucked-up xp progression that caused you only get like 1 xp per enemy slain.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 10:30:52 2020 No.6345063

>>6345029
I think there's just the tactics mod for IWD2 and not much else. The thing about the game is it mostly has fodder coming at you in waves, and not many magic casters, no idea if the tactics mod changes enemy types.
>1 xp per enemy slain
Maybe you played on easy and attempted to grind? IIRC XP gain diminishes when you outlevel weak things. You also get proportionally more XP if you play on HoF to the point of being able to get to really high levels really quickly if you know what to exploit.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 11:42:20 2020 No.6345213

>>6344653
I really love that shithole, it has a lot of character. I actually like how both games are so different.

>>6344779
I want a mod that gives you the opportunity to turn Hexxat in to temple authorities for being a vile creature of the night.
Or just letting me cast Sunray on her and have it work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 11:46:32 2020 No.6345220 >>6344215 lol. wait until that retard gets the nesser roll.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 12:42:21 2020 No.6345320 >>6344768 again, as I said, I was able to move forward. please do not worry

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:10:55 2020 No.6345502 >>6345220 Edwina is my waifu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 14:13:12 2020 No.6345505 >>6345029 >I remember it having an absolutely fucked-up xp progression Yes, it uses 3rd edition D&D. Just forget about it and play 1 again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 15:11:56 2020 No.6345679 SPARE NO ONE

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 15:43:34 2020 No.6345749 File: 513 KB, 634x476, fuckinguseless.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I just let Khalid die and replace him with Kagain or Ajantis, or does he stop being total shit at some point?

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:11:48 2020 No.6345830

>>6345749
He's one of the best archers in the game (by the virtue of being a fighter who's able to put *** in bows and having decent dex) and archers is how you win BG1. He also has decent hp and doesn't die if you look at him funny unlike, say, Coran. Can wear plate.

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:12:27 2020 No.6345835

>>6345749
I always felt him mediocre, he's good help in the mines, but after that I send them away and pick up others. You've stolen his face already.

Ajantis is good, but he will NOT tolerate the evil characters in your party, so you need to pay attention to him and keep him in check, so that he doesn't kill them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:13:09 2020 No.6345837 >>6345749 His AC, HP and attacks trump Ajantis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:36:28 2020 No.6345896 File: 1.38 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr009.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HAH! Not so fucking tough with a broken weapon, are you, you fag?

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 16:40:14 2020 No.6345907

>>6345837
For what it's worth, Ajantis got that paladin save boost and a pretty generous amount of Protection from Evil casts / day. Plus his really enthusiastic "YEAH!" when you move him somewhere like he's some badass is fucking classic.

Certainly not the most optimal because his AC really needs help from those dexterity gauntlets, but a good frontline partner with Minsc and a solid choice for a good party looking to switch it up a bit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 18:44:00 2020 No.6346156 >>6345749 >Khalid >Chad picture "no"

Anonymous Thu Apr 16 20:54:00 2020 No.6346353
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Is it just me, or does this area feel like it was maybe made much earlier in development, as just a demonstration of gameplay and stuff?

Like the rocks here are all a gray color and texture which you don't see ANYWHERE else in the game, the ground is almost plain looking somehow, and it has these plain cookie cutter events and mini quests which feel like they were just whipped up quickly as a demonstration (perhaps to investors or journalists) of things that would be in the game.

Is there any documentation of the development of Baldur's Gate which could corroborate or point towards this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 20:55:14 2020 No.6346354 File: 2.35 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr018.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 16 23:23:54 2020 No.6346667 File: 2.28 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr029.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm thinking of leaving Minsc and Dynaheir behind eventually, and then picking up Kivan, but who should I pick up after that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 01:50:04 2020 No.6346917 >>6346667 Dual Imoen to mage and pick Coran.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 02:02:54 2020 No.6346925 >>6346917 I'm not sure how useful that would be, I'd rather stick Imoen with the Army Scythe and then bolts of lightning. Besides, she gets increasingly good at finding traps and picking locks.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 02:16:00 2020 No.6346936

>>6345320
99 percent sure your mod order install is why you're having difficulties.
In general, mod order should be patches, ascension, bgt, quest mods, npc mods, scs, tweaks, widescreen. There's a guy called leonardo watson who has a megamod/big world mod install guide that may be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 02:45:46 2020 No.6346981 Is it worth it to NOT dual Imoen to mage?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 02:47:04 2020 No.6346982
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I guess I wasn't meant to level this high - that XP table is busted. That 5th level spell slot is perfectly functional with a bit of save editing though. Has anyone else removed the XP cap in the original? How far were you able to push it?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 02:50:12 2020 No.6346987

>>6346981
you only need 100 traps and 100 pick locks on your thief to be effective so after you get that you can dual her to mage
if you have another thief in your party you can just dual her to mage for the get-go
if you want her to be able to pickpocket and hide in shadows keep her a pure thief

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 04:05:41 2020 No.6347068 >>6346936 The guy you're answering to is making fun of the other's inability to properly describe his issue

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 04:08:56 2020 No.6347075

>>6346981
In BG1 maybe if you wanna do some backstabby action with her or have fun with traps. But for me she missed half the time even when backstabbing so she is pretty shit at that. I would dual her at canon level (7 I think) to mage, which coincidentally is enough to raise both lockpicking and trap finding to 100 with some points left over. She is much more useful that way. Pure thieves are shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 04:10:52 2020 No.6347081 >Thief/Cleric

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:16:50 2020 No.6347153

I know it doesn't get talked too much because it's the weakest of the infinity engine games, but what are nice character builds for IWD2? It seems the 3.5 ed. and full group creation should give lots of options. There's any thematic groups or nice builds you know about?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:49:10 2020 No.6347183 >>6346987 >if you have another thief in your party you can just dual her to mage for the get-go once you reach BG2 there are no good thieves unless you play one yourself. yoshimo is a dickbag and Jan is retarded and multi-class.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:54:41 2020 No.6347185

random question, can I play BG: EE with a gamepad? and if yes, does it perform well or is it annoying? I just wanna see if I like it and do something differently because I finished both games in the past already

I just saw that there is a PS4 version for BG 1 and 2 and that made me wonder.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:57:34 2020 No.6347187 >>6347185 I don't think so, but I can't think of a worse way of playing Baldur's Gate.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 05:58:22 2020 No.6347190

>>6347153
It's not at all the weakest. It was made with the same principle in mind as NWN1 or NWN2 because DnD is not meant to read like a book. 3e also works much better for a fully self-made party.

I don't know about thematic parties or any such nonsense, but I made mine following "Ultimate Powergaming Party" guide, and it was adequate. Some posts on the forums mentioned getting a level of monk for reflex saves when you have to cast AoE stuff, but not really needed to strategize for that unless you play on HoF with the tactics mod.

Any more than 1 wizard is unbearable because scrolls are very limited. 2 sorcerers and 2 clerics make for a good combination as you have to buff constantly and use up all your spells with the amount of encounters, especially on HoF. The 1 wizard works well on your 1st playthrough, but could very well be replaced with another brawler or sorcerer.

Overall it's a nice game, much more complex and difficult, could be a slog if you dive in unprepared.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:01:36 2020 No.6347194

>>6347185
You can play BG with a controller if you learn how to use xpadder. You'd have to get used to controlling the pointer with an analog stick. I don't mind switching between mouse and controller personally, especially in BG1 with lots just walking around, but even advanced keybindings are doable.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:06:42 2020 No.6347203

>>6347183
why cant retards like yourself you dont know jack shit about this game just keep your imbecilic opinions to yourself, Jan is better than any single class thief could be (single class thieves are the worst class in the game) because he has access to mage spells, any character that is able to cast arcane magic is busted by default (Haer'Dalis, Aerie, Jan)
you get plenty of thief skill points throughought BG2 even so you will never have the problem of having too few skill points in any skill
and I was talking about BG1 Imoen you fucking mouthbreather

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:07:40 2020 No.6347205

>>6347190
I should have said "considered the weakest" , truth is it's the only IE game I have only finished once and that was years ago but I remember I liked it.
I didn't know scrolls were that limited, having a party with lots of wizards must be kinda difficult then. Also, how it was to have arcane casters with armor considering the feats dedicated to that? I remember there was a paladin prestige class to have some sort of paladin-wizard and stuff like that.
Bards were over-powered like in IWD1?
More than powergaming I'm thinking about trying new things and stuff you can only do with 3.5 ed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:14:43 2020 No.6347218 >>6347183 >mage/thief bad Never gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:18:46 2020 No.6347227 >>6347187 Right now I'm at "steal and scribe all the scrolls" portion of my current playthrough and I shudder to think of doing that with a gamepad.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:22:09 2020 No.6347235

>>6347205
It's 3e, not 3.5. Also, no idea, but I imagine a paladin/wizard would just kind of suck. Sorcerers generally run around with stoneskin/mirror image and mordenkainen's sword which gives lets them melee from distance, no need to turn them into tanks. I haven't been into IWD2 enough to research odd stuff.

On forums these are examples of builds I found interesting:
>Monk 1 / Ranger 1 / Paladin 2 /Rogue 1 / Morninglord of Lathander 14 / Illusionist 11

>Monk 1 / Rogue 1 / Dreadmaster of Bane 20 / Sorcerer 8

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:25:32 2020 No.6347241 >>6347227 You make it work by mapping F1-F12 keys. Else it would take too long to click on everything with a stick controlled mouse pointer.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:25:59 2020 No.6347242

>>6347205
Limited scrolls are kind of a thing in both IWD, the first game is even worse in that regard (EE makes it way easier by adding sorcerers). In second game it's bearable but only if you have one wizard as anon above said.
Armor kinda sucks in IWD2 in general. There's a lot of light armor with decent enchantments, but heavy armor is not worth it and you'll get hit all the time anyway. There's a mod that makes all armor give damage resistance, maybe look into that. Armored casting feats for your arcane casters are not worth it in my opinion, they can protect themselves with spells way better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 06:53:07 2020 No.6347274 >>6347183 >Jan is retarded and multi-class. All the ultimately necessary Thief skills are reachable at like Thief level 10. For Jan or any other multiclass, that's like 320,000 XP.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:26:48 2020 No.6347425

What are the melee capabilities of say, mage/thief. It's obviously gonna be shit when compared to fighting classes but is it possible to make him into a cqc character? If dual wielding he could get up to 5 APR with main weapon which is not completely terrible. I want to make a Solid Snake solo walkthrough but I'm afraid dude will not be up to par late game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:28:27 2020 No.6347426 >>6347425 just do fighter/mage/thief

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:35:18 2020 No.6347447 >>6347426 I could do that but the point is that it wouldn't be much different from my previous runs.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 08:49:39 2020 No.6347473

>>6347425
>I want to make a Solid Snake solo walkthrough but I'm afraid dude will not be up to par late game.
You will be fine.
As you said, you have speed weapons and Improved Haste; it's enough for a respectable amount of attacks and Time Stop or hold position spells set your aim to 95%.
You get Mislead cheese, basically allowing you to constantly make backstabs.
You can Polymorph Self into an invisible Ogre in the early-mid game and backstab with the conjured weapon, with good Strength and a 4d6 weapon.
I wouldn't be worried too much about damage output; it should be sufficient even if ultimately overshadowed by fighter mixes. But the various traps and UAI and access to level 9 spells (with time) have their own advantages.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:11:27 2020 No.6347502 >>6347203 lmao seethe sperg

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:44:28 2020 No.6347561 >look up Arkanis Gath thinking he had a cool thief build with that sick damage >turns out he has a sword with death effect and no saving throw Man, BG2 was so full of scripted bs cheated spells or innate abilities and undroppable invisible items.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:51:10 2020 No.6347571 >>6347502 atleast im not a retard lol

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:51:17 2020 No.6347572

>>6347425
Mage/thief is great late game, probably out classes fighter/mage by this point
If you make him an illusionist/thief or just get Jan he'll have a great spell book, you wont miss out on necromancy. As mentioned, as soon as they are able to cast mislead they can basically get infinite backstabs at whatever APR count they are (they can get up to 9 backstabs per round with 2 speed weapons and the gauntlet from Watchers Keep).
If you give them thac0 improving gear they'll have an alright thac0, and it gets pretty good in the very late game.
Once they get UAI they can also drink potions of giant strength for bonus thac0 and damage, and the great number of STR gear in BG2 will suit Jan perfectly.
If you play with SCS, they'll greatly benefit from IWD spells that improve thac0 such as emotion: hope, emotion: courage (both of which are BUSTED in BG1 and BEYOND BUSTED in BG2 for such classes), recitation, etc.
The EE also adds headgear for shaman that gives a +2 thac0 bonus that they can equip with UAI
They of course get all the usual suspects of the arcane spellbook, stoneskin, mirror image, blur, protection from fire, spell immunity, improved haste, mislead, time stop, sequencers, etc.
And they get assassination if you run out of mislead
And they get time traps which work amazingly well with mislead
The BG2 quest pack adds the red scimitar, an amazingly useful weapon for them early on (gives +1 thac0 bonus on hit for 2 rounds, allowing them to maintain a pretty good thac0 early if correctly used)
etc.
They're a great class and one of the best late game, and completely outclass F/M/T at 6 million XP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:52:51 2020 No.6347581 >>6347502 He's right retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:54:57 2020 No.6347587 >>6347581 >>6347502 >>6347571 Stop. Leave.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 09:58:00 2020 No.6347589 >>6347587 Shut the fuck up already

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:05:17 2020 No.6347604 >>6347561 You can tank him with protection from magical weapons But you can't kill him Sad though I didn't try with Shapechange mindflayer now that I think about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 10:11:25 2020 No.6347616 >>6347604 Yeah, the dudes in the forum post were saying death ward works, too. Brain drain is so glitchy it definitely works, but the cool thing is if you use the cheat and ctrl+q him into your party, the script still forces him to instagib you.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 11:34:21 2020 No.6347791
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I didn't remember how much reactivity you can find in the first hours of IWD2, it's weird because later in the game it disappears completely.
I don't know if it was Black Isle just having some fun or at some early point they pretended to do a different kind of game, but it should have been nice to have more Black Isle style while keeping the action of IWD, a little like Storm of Zehir but better.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:08:58 2020 No.6347843

A word of advice I'd give to anyone who's relatively new to these games. Don't make a character who is designed to be amazing at epic level, especially not one that requires massive investment into a dual class. The reason is simple, the core of the game is Shadows of Amn, you want to have as much fun playing it as you can. Throne of Bhaal kind of sucks, and high level D&D is broken regardless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:12:01 2020 No.6347853 >>6347843 There is not a single class that only reaches its full potential in ToB.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:13:40 2020 No.6347859

>>6347843
I mean except retarded high level dual classes, but no one would make those except to prove a point (like how much damage can the game engine handle in a single backstab, that kind of shit). But there isn't a single class that will only be good in ToB. Not one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:23:30 2020 No.6347880 >>6347859 You can always get all the XP imaginable before spellhold and then do the glitch for 20 levels worth of XP. It's not like it'd be cheating, it's a glitch after all.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:28:57 2020 No.6347891

>>6347880
Never heard of that glitch, but still, even non fighter multi classes get good at 1,2 mil XP, which isnt that far off to get even for complete noobs.
And even in BG1, C/M, M/T and C/T fill good utilities roles that allow you to pick more fighters rather than other "specialists" for the other slots
I don't think any first time player would rush on a F/M/T or a F/M/C or dual class a character at level 20.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:33:03 2020 No.6347896 >>6337881 having both Xzar and Edwin was a fucking blast breh

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:33:46 2020 No.6347897

>>6347891
>F/M/T or F/M/C
Those classes only have problems in the super early game, but as the game goes on, due to how those classes rapidly develop their early levels, they aren't that bad even in a full party. At 500,000 XP, you're looking at either a level 10 pure Fighter or a 8/9/10 F/M/T or 8/9/8 F/M/C. Granted, in a party setup I advocate the tripleclassers as being more like F/Ts or F/Cs with magic support rather than fullblown F/M hybrids.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 12:34:27 2020 No.6347903

>>6347891
I actually discovered it myself just playing casually, but I imagine speedrun people and glitch hunters abuse similar things. There's this big talking head in spellhold that awards you XP after killing goblins or whatever pests those were and doing a thing with it lets you get the XP over and over, infinitely. I actually never felt like ruining my playthrough and maxing out the levels but I remember boosting myself to around level 13 cause it was fun. Good times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 15:14:15 2020 No.6348323 Anomen is one unlikeable bastard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 16:09:47 2020 No.6348442 >>6348323 i never had a party that could even use him

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 16:52:44 2020 No.6348529 >>6348442 I mean, I can think of multiple parties that could use a Good pure Cleric with a nice Fighter bonus.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 18:33:54 2020 No.6348785

>>6348529
first char i played since BG1 came out was a mage, party in 2 Valygar -> Keldorn -> Sarevok Minsc Jaheira Aerie Imoen
next one berserker/cleric, party Korgan Mazzy Viconia Edwin Imoen

i sure can think of parties that could use him, just never got round to it

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:50:04 2020 No.6349332
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>>6348442
I find my Paladin playthroughs end up using him a lot. A Lawful Good Cleric/Fighter of The Order of the Most Radiant Heart is a perfect compliment. And since I'm a Paladin already, I get to release Keldorn from service to spend time with his wife and daughters after he's done mentoring Anomen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 22:01:40 2020 No.6349349 >>6349332 That is wholesome. Also cool art. Any more of those?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 22:11:36 2020 No.6349367 File: 2.82 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr034.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, that's just all the more confirmation that I did something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 22:15:54 2020 No.6349376 >>6349367 Katanas are underpowered in d20.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:03:26 2020 No.6349825 >>6349367 Learn how to install mods in the correct order.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:22:59 2020 No.6349862 >>6349825 Anon, we both know my INT score isn't high enough for that.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:24:21 2020 No.6349863

>>6349367
>>6349376
The katana is a single-edged, slightly curved sword that ends with a chisel point. The katana is perhaps one of the finest swords ever made, the steps to its creation a long and secret process, that is more art form than anything else. This blade is an important facet of Kara-Tur culture. To touch or wield a samurai's katana is to insult the samurai and to incite his wrath. For a gaijin, or foreigner, to own such a blade is a rare occurrence. Either the gaijin is a greatly honored friend of an important minister, or the gaijin has murdered a samurai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:29:50 2020 No.6349872 >>6349863 >The katana is perhaps one of the finest swords ever made, the steps to its creation a long and secret process, that is more art form than anything else. Ah, the 90s, when people unironically believed this. Some still do, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:48:46 2020 No.6349890 >>6349872 Besides the weaboism, it's not like that's completely untrue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:53:54 2020 No.6349897 >>6347843 It applies more to game based on other d&d edition

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:39:36 2020 No.6349972 >>6349897 To tabletop as well. Been playing on and off for 15 years now, I think I've spent less than 10 hours of playtime on levels over 12.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:58:45 2020 No.6350002
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>>6349890
It's a sword like any other, whether it's a good one or a bad one generally depends on the smith and the effort and materials put in. There's finely made ones, like pic related, and then ones which leave a lot to be desired such as some of the assembly line stuff issued to a lot of Imperial officers in WW2.
Generally they've got a pretty thick and rigid blade with a lack of springiness (which has its pros and cons), and are more oriented towards slashing and hacking, rather than stabbing and piercing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:03:45 2020 No.6350013 >>6350002 I was saying it in the sense it is treated as a piece of art, sometimes more than a war weapon, and and it's creation usually involves a long process. Of course you can make everything industrially with little exceptions.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 04:55:50 2020 No.6350153
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>>6350013
I'd say that they may have been more oriented towards being status symbols, but it's not like that was uncommon with other swords in other cultures (maybe Japan put more weight on that).
Also you made me go look at nice antique Katanas for the past 40 minutes, these Christian motif ones are stunning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:02:54 2020 No.6350172 All this is making me want to keep Yoshimo in my party. Any mod that allows me to resurrect him?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:05:12 2020 No.6350178

>>6350153
Sure, it's not something unique, I don't know if other cultures have this thing of forging enormous blades just to be put in temples as offerings but there could be something similar.
As a teen weaboo I have to say it was amazing to see katanas and other japanese swords in BG2, that combined with dual welding was too much for an impressionable 16 yo. Now I find Kara-tur setting mostly silly and unfitting.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 05:21:20 2020 No.6350196

>>6347843
Your advice literally only applies to dual-classing because not only dual-classes are inferior in ToB, it's also a tremendous chore to have to play catch up even if you dual-class at level 9.

Other than that, generally speaking, BG2 is the kind of game where playing anything except dual-classes is going to be rewarding in some way. Except it's EVEN MORE rewarding if you pick a class that becomes really powerful in ToB like kensai/mage, specifically because it's not tabletop and you can grind out XP and cap out with ease.

The only other instance I can think of is forcing yourself to solo because of the XP getting split across the party; that you shouldn't do as a new player because it's not fun to have to leave items on the ground being out of slots to carry things as well as not have supporting casters to make combat more manageable.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 07:44:53 2020 No.6350468

>>6350196
>Your advice literally only applies to dual-classing because not only dual-classes are inferior in ToB
Not really. The benefits from the kit and usually the high scaling you get in your next class (especially if it's Mage or Druid) can be generally considered stronger.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:44:42 2020 No.6350785

>>6350196
What's so good about Kensai/Mage? He is not a frontline fighter for longer that it takes to dispel protection from magical weapons and even then he is shit at that because he doesn't have fighter HLAs. He is a mage with some melee potential but mages don't even need to go for a melee and don't ever want to anyway. Berserker/Mage sounds infinitely stronger because you actually get something out of the Berserker class which are the awesome undispellable immunities.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:50:54 2020 No.6350793

>>6350785
>He is not a frontline fighter for longer that it takes to dispel protection from magical weapons
+ Stoneskin, Mirror Image, Blur, Improved Invisibility. All of these protections last long, can be instantly recast, doubly so since you will have Vecna, Amulet of Power and later Alacrity. You can also make yourself immune to dispels thanks to Spell Immunity: Abjuration or Divination.
>even then he is shit at that because he doesn't have fighter HLAs
Fighter HLAs aren't a prerequisite for strong combat. What do you need from them?
>Greater Whirlwind
Redundant; you have Improved Haste to hit the APR cap.
>Hardiness
Redundant; mages are already the best tanks in the game.
>Critical Strike
This is good, except F/Ms, instead of blowing their aura on turning on Fighter HLAs, can instead just keep making attacks and still cast spells in the same round thanks to Alacrity.
>Power Strike / Smite
Nice skills but you already have other ways to get CC in.
>Resist Magic
Redundant.
>mages don't even need to go for a melee and don't ever want to anyway
As said, Mages and Bards are already the best tanks in the game. This isn't something to debate against, it's just a fact. Between your spell-induced invulnerability and most of your spells being instant cast, as well as powerful melee-supporting spells like Improved Haste and Black Blade of Disaster, this statement couldn't be further from the truth.
>Berserker/Mage sounds infinitely stronger
This is debatable although I tend to lean that Zerkmage is better than Kensage, but not "infinitely". Kensage's lack of helmets and bracelets is relatively less important to a Mage who can simply make up for these with spells, and having constant access to bonus THAC0, damage and weapon speed means stuff dies faster. On some modded fights in particular being able to kill something faster (like for example zerging a buffed enemy under Time Stop) is favorable. While Berserker Rage is great, it's also arguably redundant with your buffs.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:57:03 2020 No.6350803

>>6350785
>>6350793
Also,
>Fighter HLAs
Consider that even an ex-9 Kensai/Mage has better THAC0 than a multiclass Fighter/Mage until 3,500,000 XP and will always do more damage than the multiclass thanks to Grandmastery. Include the fact that enemy AC values aren't high enough even in ToB to really care about higher THAC0 than even the basic F->M duals do.

I don't know who first invented the idea that Fighter->Mage duals are primarily mages and that their fighter skills go obsolete with time, but this is blatantly untrue considering disabling spells and Time Stop give you 95% chance to hit anything anyway.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:59:08 2020 No.6350809

>>6350793
>Redundant; you have Improved Haste to hit the APR cap.
How.
What I mean is that if I played a mage, instead of trying to be a melee hero I would just project image and send the illusion to do a time stop (or not if it's not needed), buff up with improved alacrity and unload everything I have for devastating AoE damage. Much better DPS. Just because I can make myself immune to anything doesn't mean I have to go melee. What's the point?

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:07:11 2020 No.6350823

>>6350809
>How.
This varies depending on version of the game (vanilla BG2 gives no APR Grandmastery bonuses, Baldurdash True Grandmastery "fix" gives +1,5 APR at GM total, and EE gives +1 APR at GM total), but a dualled Fighter->Mage has no problem hitting 9-10 attacks per round:
>1 base attack
>+1 from dual-wielding
>+1 from Belm/Kundane in the offhand (which is BiS)
>+0,5 from Weapon Specialization
>+0/0,5/+1 from Grandmastery
>+0,5 from level 7 in Fighter
>+0,5 from level 13 in Fighter
>+0,5 from Gauntlets of Extraordinary Specialization
>double the APR with Improved Haste
mix these and match however you want and you will be looking at 7-8 attacks with your main hand and 2 with your offhand.
You might say:
>But with GWW I'm hitting 10 attacks with something like FoA/Crom combo or Ravager instead of lugging around an useless Belm!
Except turning on GWW consumes your aura and lasts for a very short time, which means you're enjoying these benefits only briefly andit hampers your ability to cast spells inbetween flurries of attacks, which is enabled to F/Ms by Alacrity. Even on regular Fighters, Critical Strike+Improved Haste with Belm offhand is stronger than GWW in most situations.
>(...) What's the point?
The DPS from unloading your entire spellbook is great, but it's something restricted by rest. The Fighter levels grant you damage that is no questions asked and doesn't expend additional resources - what you see is what you get. This means that you can fight longer without resting. BG2 doesn't usually restrict resting, but consider that
>mages only become better damage dealers at high levels
You become a full-fledged ex-9 Fighter->Mage at 500,000 XP, which is little, and you will solve a lot of your problems by meleeing before your most devastating combos come online.
>there's a lot of combat encounters that the FIghter levels streamline and turn less tedious
This is a subjective, player-induced factor, but certainly helpful nonetheless.
(cont.)

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:12:54 2020 No.6350836

>>6350809
>>6350823
>Fighters are generally stronger at single-target damage
Your Fighter self is not only capable of dishing out phenomenal amounts of melee damage with relatively little investment (Improved Haste and you're done), the fighter weapons also carry abilities such as the stun from Celestial Fury, vorpal hit from Axe of the Unyielding, slow / interrupt through Stoneskin (with elemental damage) from Flail of Ages, and so forth. For mages to achieve similar levels of single-target damage, they have to spend a lot more resources, which is more tedious and in some fights less feasible.
>Mages are strong tanks
Since Mages are strong tanks due to spells, there's no problem with having one at the frontline. And if they're at the frontline, they might as well swing their sword.

If you're looking at a character that is concerned with Project Imaging shitloads of AoE and then Wishing their spells back, you're better off playing a Sorcerer, which is entirely geared around spellchucking. The point of a Fighter/Mage is that you can mix and match both playstyles depending on mood, tactical sense, and other factors. A number of fights are really, really much easier if you have an additional powerful physical damage dealer, and that's what the F/M provides. And it does so at a relatively little investment - contrary to your beliefs, even an ex-9 Fighter->Mage remains a competent combatant all the way to ToB due to bonuses from weapons and self-buffs.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:21:20 2020 No.6350849

So basically all that means that I have an okay melee damage ability which I can use when I don't want to rest all the time. I can see the appeal while playing solo but in a party? I usually have 4 project images in my spellbook which allow me to go for 4 major fights without resting. Easier fights will get cleaned by my other characters. I guess I just don't agree but that's okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:32:12 2020 No.6350873 >>6350849 >okay melee damage ability No, you have fast caster progression combined with top tier melee damage ability, better than pure fighter's because you can protect your buffs from dispel with SI:A.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:44:20 2020 No.6350905

>>6350849
You just sound like you don't believe in having a melee character on the frontline for some reason. That's okay, I guess? You can play whichever way you want, but you could also pick the most efficient tank/DPS instead of like 2 fighters. Subjective preferences are fine, but there's no point arguing against the most potent char build if efficiency is to be considered.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:51:44 2020 No.6350918

>>6350849
>okay melee ability
Literally 300 potential damage per round on average at 10 APR for FREE.
Also will use a lot more spell slots for personal defense that a regular mage, which will make him tankier than anythig else in the game, especially compared to a pure fighter.
A F/M under stoneskin with AC boosting spells and the occasional mirror image can tank any dungeon without resting once. Add to that all the elemental protections offered by the mage spellbook and protection from magical weapons which is the only good way to tank stuff like fallen planetars while you kill them.
Going beyond fighter 9 or 13 when you have the mage spellbook is useless, you will reach sufficient thac0 to hit pretty much anyting even in ToB regardless, and you will cap at 10 APR under imprved haste for 3 rounds +1 round / level which lasts a really, really long time compared to GWW. F/M types are incredibly useful regardless, in any party ever. They're one of the most optimal classes you can make.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 11:53:58 2020 No.6350927 And of course access to spell immunity to prevet dispelling as long as it's up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 20:36:36 2020 No.6352072 Going from TOB to BG1 again, I'm so unused to these meager spell slots and selections. Oh well, at least that means enemy mages will be weak too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 22:13:00 2020 No.6352278 Our quest is vain!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 22:14:22 2020 No.6352280 >>6352278 One of the more fun things to do with Keeper is turn him into a F/M.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 23:29:31 2020 No.6352440 Does maze have any restrictions on what it can be used on? I just trivialized the abazigal fight by making him disappear until all his minions were dead.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:12:59 2020 No.6352548

okay, so what's with Rasaad being Sanic compared to all the other party members? He walks slightly faster than everyone else. Does inventory weight affect how fast you walk in a micro spectrum sort of way?

Steam community also said he's shit so now I wonder if I should keep him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:16:16 2020 No.6352551 >>6352548 he's shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:17:25 2020 No.6352553 >>6352548 monks get a bonus to movement speed. And yeah monks are shit, drop him.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:18:02 2020 No.6352559

>>6352072
>Oh well, at least that means enemy mages will be weak too.

in BG1 you really have to kite mages somehow.
like if he casts a spell either walk out of his frame or literally use spell wands, fail his conjuring and shoot the motherfucker dead. that Thay wizard fight in the goblin fort with Neera is absolute bullshit btw. there is no way you can do this without it being a shit fight. I just used Neera with a fireball wand. what's also fun is using Imoen's trap ability and remember where that douche wizard teleports into the room.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:19:13 2020 No.6352561 >>6352551 >>6352553 k, guess I try out some new characters I found.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:19:29 2020 No.6352563

>>6352548
>okay, so what's with Rasaad being Sanic compared to all the other party members?
Monks have higher base movement speed. They're also immune to Slow and Haste effects after level 5.
>Steam community also said he's shit
He is, especially in BG1, where Monk scaling doesn't kick in at all. In BG2, he has the benefit of Monk scaling without items, but powergamers have already figured out that Monks do less damage than Fighters with gear (and that gear isn't that hard to find), have a really hard time surviving physical attacks at all (you need to stack AC and consumables), and their few uses are rather niche (the stun on-demand is nice, I guess, and you can occasionally wreck a Beholder lair or something when Magic Resistance kicks in). Rasaad also has shitty Constitution.

If you insist on making him work, use Stealth as much as possible, and try to play him as a skirmisher. Flaming Fists can be stacked multiple times for burst damage. Stunning Fist is actually pretty cool. Give him darts or a throwing knife. Give him a weapon until at least level 5 or so. Or better yet, get a better NPC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:20:51 2020 No.6352567 >>6352563 thanks for the insight, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 00:45:29 2020 No.6352615 >>6349862 Drink a potion of mind focusing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:42:30 2020 No.6353047 >>6352553 Monks are good, it's just >beamdog writing

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:46:34 2020 No.6353053 >>6353047 >Monks are good Not again, please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:48:48 2020 No.6353056 >>6353053 In BG2 I mean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:50:55 2020 No.6353059 >>6353056 NO

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 05:55:17 2020 No.6353061

>>6353056
They are never good. It's a melee class that cannot be hasted, has no crit immunity and d8 hit dice with no warrior con bonus. Even compared to ranger they lose, because the latter has more hp, fights with actual weapons that have cool effects on them, wear helmets and armor, can be hasted and can cast armor of faith. So the (arguably) second worst class is miles ahead of monks already. How is that still an argument?

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:03:25 2020 No.6353069

>>6353061
Monks in BG2 are alright if you're totally new because you don't have to wrack the mind with item builds, and it's satisfying to watch your char get damage in for most of the hits even it's low damage. The magic immunity and increased speed also make exploration and combat not stressful. It'll still get decently strong eventually, at least if no mods are involved, so picking it one of the best ways to just explore all the content comfortably.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:15:00 2020 No.6353082 Advice, please. Loved Planescape: Torment when I was a kid. Five years ago dropped BG1 in a few hours - too many micro, hustle UI. This winter adored Pathfinder: Kingmaker. Question: will I like BG2? Is it aged well?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:21:05 2020 No.6353092 >>6353082 >BG2? Is it aged well? Yes.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 06:28:03 2020 No.6353102

>>6353082
Torment is another kind of game made by another developer, so you will not necessarily like Baldur's Gate 2. If you're not into the combat you're not going to enjoy it. Still, you should start with 1.
And why you ask if a 2000 game "has aged well"?
It's a game for Windows with mouse controls, perfectly playable for anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 07:01:48 2020 No.6353126 >>6353102 Because he's a moron. You're responding to a guy who complains about micro in BG1 and ambiguous UI problems. Classic console-child tourist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 07:09:24 2020 No.6353130 >>6353126 He'll never learn if he won't sit down and play.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 09:01:04 2020 No.6353273 Why are there no Throwing Knives +1? I mean there's some Daggers which are throwable and return to your hand in BG2, but not in BG1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 09:20:04 2020 No.6353286 >>6353273 The thalantyr item mod lets you make one if you have a +1 dagger, 1 oil of speed and 500 gold

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 09:41:49 2020 No.6353314
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Wow, Protection From Petrification is really good for Mutamin's Garden, who could have ever imagined that? Hyuk hyuk.

RIP Korax tho.

>>6353286
Will I fuck things (further) up by installing that now? I already did something wrong, judging by Bags Of Holding and that cursed +2 Katana with a full plate description (until identified). Haven't noticed anything else besides that though.

I stuck Xan with throwing knives, and he's doing pretty decent as ranged support, because throwing knives are cheap and weigh nothing, so he carries a couple hundred of them, keeps him out of melee trouble.
I think he could do some more impressive damage with some +1 ones though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 09:46:45 2020 No.6353321 >>6353082 How did you not like BG but like Kingmaker? Kingmaker is much clunkier than BG. I mean, I would assume anyone who liked Kingmaker would like both BG.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 10:57:04 2020 No.6353409 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob-AYmt8RNo >Seinfeld intensifies

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 11:07:43 2020 No.6353425 File: 3.15 MB, 1920x1080, Baldr048.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Always loved this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 11:29:33 2020 No.6353467 >>6353425 >Everyone witnessing agreed it was a briliant interpretation of the rules It sounds kinda bullshit to me, even for a drow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 11:36:39 2020 No.6353480 >>6353467 it is but D&D is full of meme races and meme characters. since they're drow they'd put backstabbing and cunning above everything else and thus it worked out that way. yes, it's retarded and makes no sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 12:07:31 2020 No.6353536 >>6353425 As drow as it can get.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 12:13:26 2020 No.6353552 >>6353467 Seems like a textbook example of Lawful Evil to me.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 16:37:15 2020 No.6354242
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Goddamn, Xan rolled with these punches like a chad; forgot to cast Protection From Fear (a stupid mistake), Viconia casts Silence, but it only works on half of them, then they cast Horror in retaliation spooking me, her, and Kivan, Imoen is out of range, and Xan makes his saving throw, then proceeds to pitch knives at these red dorks, interrupting their spells repeatedly, tanking their Magic Missiles, then returning some of his own, before shanking the last one in melee.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:08:40 2020 No.6354485 >>6354242 In which map were these? I forgot to kill them as first time I encountered them I was too low level.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:11:06 2020 No.6354496 File: 1.14 MB, 1920x1080, 1587334266373.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:12:01 2020 No.6354505 >>6353314 What's the deal with Korax never going hostile in the EE? It will play the audio clip indicating he is about to, but then he just goes on as usual.

Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:13:20 2020 No.6354510

>>6354485
South of the Bandit Camp somewhere. It's where I went and got The Victor, as seen: >>6353425
A pretty good ring actually, since you're not allowed to save against the beam, though it does become less useful in BG2, where there's far more enemies who have enough Magic Resistance to just ignore it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:13:59 2020 No.6354513 >>6354505 Occam's Razor would suggest Beamdog incompetence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:39:36 2020 No.6354579 File: 1.64 MB, 1920x3250, 1587335976770.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Better example.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:42:52 2020 No.6354587 Just played Baldurs Gate 2 for tbe first time ever. Best game of all time

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 18:50:03 2020 No.6354604 >>6354510 Thanks. Will get them on my next walkthrough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 19:06:31 2020 No.6354640 >>6354587 I held out hope until about 2008 or 9 that someone would make something better, but then I pretty much accepted that it will never be surpassed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 20:28:24 2020 No.6354830 Fuck Shadowdruids, fucking treecommunists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 20:49:51 2020 No.6354868 is baldur's gate reloaded good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:27:41 2020 No.6354941 File: 412 KB, 1920x1080, Baldr024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really wonder how my boy level 14 Cernd will fare against such odds....

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:29:59 2020 No.6354946 >>6354941 Faldorn is a jobber desu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:30:38 2020 No.6354948 File: 383 KB, 1920x1080, Baldr026.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] all according to plan

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 22:02:10 2020 No.6355012 >>6354948 Weak, I pulled Enrage + Draw Upon Holy Might, when I punched her in the jaw they heard it all the way to Waterdeep.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 02:35:45 2020 No.6355543 >>6354948 I'm on my way to her now. Seems much rougher with SCS. Time for Jaheira to shine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 03:39:33 2020 No.6355658 >>6354941 Shit, nigger, why'd you go and call Zaaman Rul?!

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:21:19 2020 No.6355854

New player here, playing a sorc. Just for a bit of roleplay but I'm also wondering, is there any point in having a character background? Or some sort of preparing for "hey, we're fucking off from Candlekeep, who cares about potions, tactitcs or enemies you'll face, I'm going to die by nightfall anyway?"

Pretty awful desu, and yeah its not like regular enemies are a huge danger (except for the ones that have an arrow rain) it just feels.. silly.

Also is it expected to rest after every combat? Otherwise my sorc isn't even good for a meatshield. That or using some kind of wand I guess.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:32:36 2020 No.6355871

>>6355854
No point on having a character background unless you want to RP. I like to be consistent with my character choices along the game though, so I do have some idea in mind. But I don't necessarily write it down.

You're not expected to rest after every combat. The lack of spell choice is a problem for casters at first, but they pick up fast. Wands and potions are everywhere in BG1, so yeah, make good use of them and build a 6-man party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:35:03 2020 No.6355874 >>6355543 ...and I get the bandit ambush with Jaheira as hostage quest right now, so I'll temporary lose her. Ok then...

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:36:31 2020 No.6355876

>>6355854
Re-roll a 18/00 fighter and forget about the sorc. It's not worth putting up with mages in BG1, and you cap out at like level 8. Also, it doesn't take little time before getting the tome of strength at all if you don't know where to go, so again - roll 18/00.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:20:43 2020 No.6355943

>>6355854
Background is pure rp feature.
Low-level mage gameplay in d&d is suffering, at least sorc has what, 3 casts at lvl 1? Generalist wizards start with ONE.
Buy some darts or a sling if you're a strong boy and get some companions to carry your ass, soon you'll rule with your arcane might.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:22:15 2020 No.6355945 >>6355854 you shouldnt play an arcane caster on your first playthrough, archer is a really good class to start out with and is solid throughout the whole trilogy

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:51:55 2020 No.6356001

>>6355945
>archer is a really good class to start out
Why would you propagate this meme? The best way to grind XP is going to ankhegs (which aren't capped btw like the ranger says), and their ranged attacks are much stronger than closing in into melee range. 975 XP per kill, perfect for a fighter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:07:10 2020 No.6356027 >>6355658 But I didn't She did

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:11:34 2020 No.6356037

>>6354868
the NWN2 module? yes, it's good. I tried it in the past but it's been like 5 years. same with the Icewind Dale conversion. also pretty good. I just prefer the original because fuck 2005-07 3D. NWN2 looked really pretty but was unoptimized and unfinished so it looked quite awkward sometimes.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:15:38 2020 No.6356049

>>6355945
>archer

why not just a normal and more versatile Ranger base class? rarely if ever were class specialists any good in D&D games with their garbage disadvantages. like sacrifing one magic school for another. it's even annoying with Edwin for example. he can't cast identify although high lore stat helps.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:19:46 2020 No.6356051

>>6354242
>Xan

sadly I sent him off because I already had Neera. I thought you could talk to him later in the friendly arms inn or something but things work so differently in BG1 compared to BG2 where saying no to a companion the first time isn't a big deal at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:25:54 2020 No.6356059 >>6355854 >playing a sorc shit class but mostly because they can't learn scrolls.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:30:55 2020 No.6356065

>>6355543
She is, but you should be ok. Insect plague or creeping doom should be the biggest threat to your druid, but with some micro and haste you can get one down and avoid hers until you kill her.
I just increased her level by 40% along with all other divine casters in the SCS .ini before install and allowed all eligible clerics and druids to use HLAs in the options, so it's not representative of what you should expect the first time with SCS. And aTweaks also gives elementals more stuff to do.
I don't think I I could beat that duel without getting Cernd to 3 million XP, but he's dead now anyway.
Fucking druids man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:31:57 2020 No.6356067 >>6356059 Literally the best class in the game

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:37:47 2020 No.6356079 File: 2.16 MB, 640x480, ankheg.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Look at this The ankheg doesn't attack, Literally free XP. FREE XP.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:39:06 2020 No.6356081

>>6355945
You should definitely play an arcane caster on your first playthrough if you so wish, you'll end up with one in the team anyway and BG1 has good archers companions everywhere.
There is no better way to get a glimpse on how to git gud and the endless gameplay possibilities you have in this game than playing an arcane caster of some kind the first time around.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:40:29 2020 No.6356082

>>6356065
Just got her. It was nothing impressive in the end. It's my first SCS run and I'm a bit disappointed at the difficulty so far. Only the Shade Dragon is causing me issues. I think that I made the game too easy by rearranging companion weapon proficiencies. I'll finish this run on 'Improved' and then jump to 'Hardcore' I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:46:10 2020 No.6356090 >>6356082 Insane or nothing Of course there is not a big difficulty jump if all mages don't come fully pre-buffed

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:47:02 2020 No.6356093 >>6356079 Hello? No one? It's FREE XP

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:47:58 2020 No.6356095 >>6356082 Also, really unironically, Insane is fun as fuck. It's so fucking great

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:55:38 2020 No.6356114 >>6356090 >>6356095 I didn't want to jump into it yet. Last time I played BG was 6 years ago. This is good as a refresher. I also greatly enjoyed BG1 this time around, more than the last times.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:00:33 2020 No.6356119

>>6356049
>why not just a normal and more versatile Ranger base class?
Because it's trash and trades weapon grandmastery and faster level progression of a Fighter for shit like charm animal and MAYBE Armor of Faith in the late game.
>rarely if ever were class specialists any good in D&D games with their garbage disadvantages.
Archer is one of the best damage dealing classes in the entire saga and it gets all of its gear to itself because it's also the only class that scales well with missile weapons other than maybe Sling-oriented Fighter/Clerics buffed like crazy
>>6356059
>sorc
>shit class
Are you
>>6356049
>>6356059
the same people? because the style of typing and the amount of complete wrong is staggeringly similar

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:02:09 2020 No.6356121 >>6355876 >roll 18/00 Holy fucking shit, the advice in this thread is starting to become perplexing Yes, waste like an hour of your life and potentially sacrifice other important stats just to get a largely irrelevant and temporary bonus

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:03:26 2020 No.6356127 File: 2.16 MB, 640x480, FREE XP.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356114 But did you get FREE XP from ankhegs?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:04:02 2020 No.6356128

>>6355854
What spells did you pick up at the start?
Your Sorcerer should be spamming Blind on enemies in every encounter, also do some minor quests and save up for a Wand of Sleep. Use a Sling or Darts from behind the rest of the party.
Mages and Sorcerers in general in the early game aren't pew pew blasters, they are purely crowd control dispensers until at least level 5 or so.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:04:32 2020 No.6356130

>>6354242
I just defeated Daevorn and entered BG proper on my first ever SCS2 playthrought. That fight with 4 wizards was by FAR the toughest I had so far, the surprise double stoneskin assrape Silke, cheating skeleton in Ulcaster or free action teleport Deavorn didn't even come close to 4 mages creating armies of spiders and worgs, charming and holding all over the place, drinking invis pots and then double magic missiling my casters from behind so shield does nothing. It was the only time I accepted casualties thus far. I dread the fight on second floor of magic shop and on top of Iron Throne now. Like, not playing for several weeks now kind of dread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:06:19 2020 No.6356134 >>6356127 Where's the fun in that.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:06:26 2020 No.6356135

>>6356049
>oh no I cant use identify, this is definitely not worth three (3) additional spell slots PER LEVEL
Just get garrick and leave him somewhere in an inn in BG1, and get him to identify shit for free and get some glasses of identification in BG2
Not like you're gonna use them a lot anyway
who the hell would give a flying fuck about identify

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:07:29 2020 No.6356138 >>6356130 >SCS2 Are you posting from 2011

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:08:15 2020 No.6356141 File: 162 KB, 640x480, 18-00.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356121 Literally started rolling when you posted. see webm

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:09:17 2020 No.6356145 >>6356128 Honestly playing a sorc on a first playthrough is asking to completely fuck him up with a bunch of shitty spells

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:09:33 2020 No.6356146 >>6356134 What do you mean? You get 975 XP per kill and it's skill-based. What's not to like?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:11:03 2020 No.6356150

>>6356141
Exactly my point. You sacrifice max Dexterity and Constitution just to pick up a largely irrelevant bonus to Strength and for some reason you also max out Charisma. You value like +2 THAC0 and +3 for half of the game and a Dagger +1 from Fuller + some free Antidotes over +2 HP per level and -4 AC. I don't comprehend why would you insist on this. The 18/00 bonus is superceded by Fighter consumables and the tome, so it's redundant and not worth sacrificing your stat total, which in your case is pretty abysmal.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:11:35 2020 No.6356151

>>6356141
Who gives a shit, don't waste time rolling 18/00 when it will be useful for barely a tenth of the total runtime of the trilogy
playing pure fighter on a first playthrough is also the best way to miss out on everything fun you can do in this game
At least dual class him

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:13:58 2020 No.6356157

>>6356151
>playing pure fighter on a first playthrough is also the best way to miss out on everything fun you can do in this game
Not him but I don't understand you. There are no Intelligence or Wisdom checks in this game and your party members can do all of the "fun" things anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:14:51 2020 No.6356159 >>6356150 >>6356151 Are you two memeing? BG1 is capped to like level 8. There's no point doing any convoluted shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:15:27 2020 No.6356162 >>6356130 >dread the fight on second floor of magic shop Arrows of detonation target practice you can definitely imagine the merchant saying "go try those upstairs, I have set up a range there"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:16:04 2020 No.6356163 >>6356150 Also I managed to clear like 5 locations and still haven't encountered tomes so yeah nice >18/00 is not needed. Give me a break.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:17:00 2020 No.6356165

>>6356159
Again explain to me how is a mild amount of bonus damage and THAC0 compared to literally any other 18/xx stat is better than -4 AC and +2 HP per level from having rolled an 18[xx]/18/18 stat total and not 18[00]/8/16 stat total, and what do levels have to do with this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:17:01 2020 No.6356167 >>6356049 Because base rangers are trash.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:18:00 2020 No.6356168

>>6356159
What the fuck are you saying
Of course there is a point in doing convoluted shit, understanding how the game works and having more fun that mindlessly hacking trash mobs with a 18/00 pure fighter that you spent two hours rolling
The best fights in BG1 are at their best when you find creative ways to win, not just brute force and reload if it fails

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:19:27 2020 No.6356170 >>6356163 18/00 is completely useless against the trash mobs that are 99% of the enemies encountered until you get to the time of str in chapter 6.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:25:17 2020 No.6356176

>>6356114
I first played with SCS on insane on my second playthrough ever, and never went back
It was hard as fuck, but it was great to figure out how to git gud and survive. I genuinely never had a better time on a videogame than this first SCS insane playthrough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:33:51 2020 No.6356204 >>6356157 You always focus more on your main character than your party members, that's who you give the best stuff, that's who you try most things with. There is nothing interesting to focus on with a pure fighter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:36:49 2020 No.6356216 File: 809 KB, 640x480, 1.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356170 >>6356168 Look, took me 8 minutes, and you have the perfect fighter for BG1. Stop pretending 18/00 is hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:37:06 2020 No.6356217 >>6356176 Yeah, I can definitely see that. I'll be trying on Insane next one for sure. I'm playing now a F/M and I'm absolutely loving it, to the point that I'm not sure if I can play anything else.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:37:26 2020 No.6356218

>>6356204
>nothing interesting to focus one with a pure fighter
You have the most gear to play around with (multiple possibilities), you have special Fighte-only consumables and the tome boosts to stats are most relevant to you because you have three core stats. Solo Fighter is fun and challenging, why wouldn't party Fighter be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:37:29 2020 No.6356219 >>6356216 Again, who gives a fuck You have +1 thac0 to kill trash mobs, congratulations

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:39:47 2020 No.6356230 File: 5 KB, 290x142, 1418.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356219 How tf is this just +1 thac0 you smoothbrain

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:40:58 2020 No.6356232

>>6356216
18/00 is completely unnecessary is the entire point
not everyone will get it a high stat total along with 18/00
and most people building Fighters in BG1 want to import them to BG2, where the possibility of dualclassing or an intelligence buffer against mind flayers is good to have

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:41:04 2020 No.6356234 >Were the life of a child not at stake, I would say leave these mad gnomes to their own devices and forbid them from ever reproducing again. Thanks Anomen for the valuable input.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:42:29 2020 No.6356239

>>6356218
Because drinking a few potions of giant str and some oils of speed wont exactly teach you all the fun things you cam do with any other classes.
Fighter is the easiest way to focus on brute forcing encounters and reloading rather than figuring out alternative tactics and strategies
There is also nothing really interesting to do with gear in BG1.
Reaching 100 fire resistance, if you find two rings and a helm of defense, getting free action, getting low but not perfect saves. Again, way to miss out on using spells and getting good at that instead.
Fighter is a really good, fun and efficient class, but it's also a very simple one that will encourage brute forcing and reloading more often than finding alternative solutions for new players, because it doesnt really have any.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:42:46 2020 No.6356241

>>6356232
And yet I managed to play for like 10 hours clearing woods already where my 18/00 applied in absolutely every way.

All this for... 2 minutes of rolling and 8 minutes of rolling where I got 18/00 twice. Gee such a long time vs 10 hours of gameplay, so not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:45:03 2020 No.6356245 >>6356239 You have companions. You still get to use your intricate "strategies" (in bg1 of all things).

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:45:14 2020 No.6356246

>>6356230
Literally 1 thac0 difference from the rest of 18/xx scores
Who gives a fuck, you will be at 19 anyway, and before you reach 19 you literally wont encounter anything with remotely high AC or hp pools anyway
Enjoy rerolling, but you'd be better off using that wasted time playing and understanding the game you stupid fucking ape

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:47:28 2020 No.6356254 >>6356246 Actually 2 thac0 and +3 dmg because your impatient dumb ass rolled 01 and you had to max out int and wis on a fighter lmfao. Also arguing that playing for 10 hours with 18/01 str doesn't cost you on average is actual smoothbrain stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:49:23 2020 No.6356259 >>6356246 >Enjoy rerolling Also LMFAO I literally did that already TWICE. It took me 10 minutes. Are you even serious. You're seriously complaining 5 minutes for 18/00 is too much for you? Do you even play or just argue in these threads

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:50:30 2020 No.6356262

>>6356254
You're beyond retarded
Go build your stupid fucking strawman elsewhere, I would tell you to learn to read but you probably have more retarded shit to post about WIS scores nobody talked about
And yeah getting high int on a fighter allows you to dual class, which is better than 18/00 ever will
Go kill your gibberlings with you +1 thac0 +2 damage, hero of the sword coast, it was definitely worth it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:52:17 2020 No.6356265 >>6356259 So how many total points did you get, counting your 18/00 with those.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:52:36 2020 No.6356269

>>6356262
Ankhegs give you 975 XP per kill. The fuck are you talking about? That's probably the best XP you'll get in the entire game. And also you can still forfeit charisma and max out your int then if you care about dual-classing so much (likely you will if you have the patience to dual-class btw, likely you beat the game already). God you're such a halfwit, and all this over 5 minutes of rolling lmfao.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:52:49 2020 No.6356270

>>6356259
Seriously man, nobody gives a sjit about 18/00 aside from number obsessed autists like yourself, it wont give you any edge compared to 18/xx, if you have fun spending 10 minutes rolling to get it, fine, but it literally does not matter in the slightest once you actually play the fucking game.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:52:54 2020 No.6356274

>>6356254
18/00 is just a waste of time, even if it's as much as +2 thac0 and +3 dmg
it might work on a single-class fighter, but on multiclasses or dualclasses it's already pointless
not to mention martials like paladins
it's just redundant and not worth the effort is the entire point
remember that your first webm was a fucking 18[00]/8/16 Fighter with 18 Charisma, which is a joke

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:53:49 2020 No.6356275 >>6356265 Just look at the webm and count. Enough to max out CHAR as well as fighter stats. But if you want to dual-class so bad then forfeit dialogue boxes and put in INT whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:54:08 2020 No.6356279 >>6356269 Literally mental illness

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:54:15 2020 No.6356280

>>6356269
>That's probably the best XP you'll get in the entire game.
Farming Basilisks with Korax and/or protection from petrification is much better XP
Sirines can be hunted for 2000 XP
Flesh Golems can be hunted for 2000 XP apiece
All of them with relative ease, too

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:55:48 2020 No.6356285 >>6356275 Incomprehensible conclusion to a retarded autistic meltdown that proved nothing but that you don't know shit about this game MUH ANKHEGS

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:55:48 2020 No.6356286

>>6356270
>+2 thac0, +3 damage
>b-but over 10 hours it doesn't add up
Improve your IQ.
>>6356274
>5 minutes if a waste of time
Alright. Can we stop arguing in circles? I already explained to you over 10 hours +3 damage and +2 thac0 is going to give you a huge edge on average. You're too goddamn dumb to realize how much you're gimping yourself statistically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:56:58 2020 No.6356293 >>6356280 Okay can you farm those literally moments after recruiting jaheira? You can't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:57:58 2020 No.6356298 >>6356286 Your retarded strawman assumes everyone rolls with 17 str when it's not at all what anyone is saying Take your fucking meds, you're having an episode

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:59:44 2020 No.6356303

>>6356298
Just check the webms, enough stats to make a strong fighter. No one new is going to need your dual-classes and BG1 ends before you know it anyway. At worst you can spend extra 5 minutes to max out stats for whatever dual-class you need and farm ankhegs from minute 1 (because they dont' attack) anyway. Literally a golden strategy and 18/00 helps a shitton to clear ankhegs.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:00:10 2020 No.6356305

>>6356286
>+3 damage and +2 thac0
in the worst case which you are clinging on to
in the best case, it's +1 damage and +1 thac0
and no, it's not a "huge edge" on average
if you calculate enemy HP and the average damage of a solid one-handed weapon
18/00 STR also does absolutely nothing for you, you will end enemies on average in one or two hits, you are statistically unlikely to miss out on a kill just because of 1 or 2 HP.
Using bows which grant 2 attacks per round, have special ammo and allow you way more safety on game modes like Insane doesn't care about your Exceptional Strength value at all either
that's why it's redundant and not worth prioritizng over other stats
you are still completely avoiding the issue of multi and dualclassing or you are advocating that a character should run around with 3 Charisma if he wants to dual or multi, which means you're missing out on shop prices and better rewards for quests just to get a shitty, small, incremental bonus that becomes obsolete in time and only works for one weapon style
your "10 hours of gameplay" example literally assumes you're spending 10 hours just swinging a sword at things and that's patently not true between all sorts of other options like consumables, missile weapons and other shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:00:14 2020 No.6356306 this thread sure went to shit fast

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:00:15 2020 No.6356308 >>6356293 You can, you utter fucking noob You dont even have a chance of taking a crit and being melted in acid for your retarded trouble

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:01:27 2020 No.6356309 >>6356305 Holy hell get outta here with your pretentious game modes. This is VANILLA BG1. Stop obsessing over end-game.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:01:59 2020 No.6356312

>>6356293
Yes you can farm Basilisks literally as the first thing you do after Imoen talks to you in Chapter 1
Recruit Korax and have him tank basilisks while you shoot them from afar
Potion of Mirrored Eyes is optional for this and purchasable relatively cheap from Thalantyr
This is one of the most well known cheeses in the entire saga and one of the most well known powerlevelling exploits
failing that, you even get more XP just from successfully doing the Melicamp quest

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:02:58 2020 No.6356313

>>6356308
You can't and you're making shit up or I'd encounter these things. Ankhegs were already super strong unless you have had a strategy, and you're telling me to dive deep down into whereever and kill a mob for a whopping 2k XP on level 1? Total. BS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:04:01 2020 No.6356317 >>6356312 Well, whatever. I haven't encountered those yet. If I do, I'll let you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:04:16 2020 No.6356318 Rolling for stats was a mistake.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:04:26 2020 No.6356320

>>6356309
>pretentious game modes
What are you talking about? What endgame?
What in this post says anything about endgame?
When did it somehow become less efficient to be safely using a bow from afar at double the attack per round, with better THAC0 (from max Dexterity) instead of insisting going into melee in every encounter?
You do realize that Insane difficulty is in the base game and all it amounts to is double damage to all your party members in which case YES, you preferrably want to stay at range?
Why are you purposefully evading every single argument just to talk about a statistical nuance that you were initially willing to sacrifice the actual good stats for?
Seriously, what the fuck is this post referring to?
You are not making any sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:05:32 2020 No.6356325 >>6356320 Ankhegs attack you if you don't close in, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:05:33 2020 No.6356326 >>6356313 >>6356317 Okay, the guy confirmed he is bad at the game and hasn't even encountered the aforementioned areas, go back to regular thread business.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:06:53 2020 No.6356328 File: 14 KB, 198x255, e61ede355f5e95ea81afe36f024e275c0ce3e8e41ff9358c88a49c0f4f92e32d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:07:15 2020 No.6356329

>>6356325
You are using a micro-heavy strategy that requires multiple party members to work with and is still liable to get critted by an acid spit while you close in whereas a level 1 mage with Shield spell on can solo ankhegs by just casting Blind on them in which case they are truly inert, in which case he can kill him even with a sling.
There's no reason for him to do that, either, because there already are more efficient methods for XP, and were already outlined.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:07:40 2020 No.6356330

>>6356326
Wooooooooooow, that's too bad. It's not like we were autistically sperging over who is le correct. You just couldn't do without a nice strategy I came up, it offends your pride as a master baldurs gaitist that an alternative way could possibly exist. There's nothing else than winning an internet argument. Oh boy oh geez aren't you an amazing individual.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:09:21 2020 No.6356337 Bards make better fighters than fighters.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:09:41 2020 No.6356340

>>6356330
Right, I forgot your master strategy's prerequisite is 18/00 strength
and that the 10 hours you spent with your 18/00 strength warrior were all spent meleeing specifically ankhegs
and that your first webm outlining the tactic includes such 18/00 strength specimen like Imoen, Jaheira, Khalid and Viconia

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:09:59 2020 No.6356341

>>6356329
>and were already outlined
They weren't before you had to go all out spergmode on why I can't have nice starting stats because GOODNESS GRACIOUS I LOSE 10 MINUTES ROLLING oh gooooooooooooooood, what a feat. I swear you people are beyond retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:11:04 2020 No.6356348 >>6356337 Bards make better physical damage tanks due to spells, but not really fighters. Bard doesn't really get anything that matches up to a bonus full attack and the damage/thac0/possibly APR bonuses from Grandmastery.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:11:55 2020 No.6356352

>>6356340
It's not even anything special. I came up with it on the fly on shared it lmfao. I can already imagine your thick glasses and nerd goofball voice as you are typing this out. You just can't appreciate anything because winning an argument is what matters to you most in life.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:13:19 2020 No.6356360

>>6356341
>They weren't before you had to go all out spergmode on why I can't have nice starting stat
No, you were giving advice to a newbie struggling with the game to give up on a strong class he enjoys playing and insisted that the way to go is an 18/00 STR Fighter, insisting that rolling 18/00 is somehow important when it really isn't. Don't feign innocence about how ebil 4chan ganged up on you when you were literally a guy stuck in Chapter 2 with his first fighter character and not someone actually equipped to give advice.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:16:01 2020 No.6356367

>>6356360
It's good advice and the other anon agreed. There's a good cost to performance ratio for just 5 minutes of your time to roll 18/00 and then play for 10 hours combating stuff.

And you're actually recommending dual-classing for a newbie. I'm laughing in your face, kid. You're retarded.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:19:54 2020 No.6356375

>>6356367
>It's good advice and the other anon agreed.
Literally no one in this thread agreed with you
>And you're actually recommending dual-classing for a newbie
Never did, it was just mentioned as one of the reasons high stat total > 18/00 (applies to multiclass characters too).
Again, you're somehow dodging the issue of 18/00 being a really small bonus and not applying to ranged fighting, which is the most efficient fighting style against 99% of the encounters in the early game, both damage wise and safety wise

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:21:12 2020 No.6356382 >>6354579 just killed that ugly fatlus. shit writing btw.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:22:12 2020 No.6356384

>>6356375
Look sweetie I know you want to feel extra super special right, but this has gone too far. I dont' want to be mean to you and realize your great wisdom is helping, so let's just agree to be friends and not continue this, okay? Just relax calm down take your pills and stop with this madness of continuing to not like my ankhegs strategy which is actually really good, and you don't even know 18/00 for it, it's just something extra I did just because and not for any specific reason. Fine? Okay.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:42:11 2020 No.6356424

>The Candlekeep Catacombs are three levels of dangerous dungeons located below the Candlekeep Library. The only way to access this area is during Chapter Six
>Chapter Six
Okay this has to be serious memeing I fell for. Chapter SIX? And you would still say it's not worth rolling 18/00 if it takes this long a time to obtain the tome? Incredible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:48:08 2020 No.6356439 >>6356424 for the thousandth time from eveyrone in this thread, no, it's not worth it, it's not required, it's not needed, you will literally encouter nothing but trash mobs before this point Shut the fuck up already, this debate is fucking worthless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:53:27 2020 No.6356450 >>6356439 It's worth rolling 91+ at least if you want max cha + int or whatever, but it's not worth rolling low for the sake of maxing out wis for no reason as well as the other stats.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:54:31 2020 No.6356452

>>6356384
not that guy but if you keep repeating one thing over and over it wont suddenly become true, farming ankhegs is fucking stupid because they can kill you very easily at low levels
youre probably a save scumming faggot that reloads every time one of his companions dies so your opinion is worthless

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:54:37 2020 No.6356454 >>6356439 Also you're you, not "everyone". It's just been you responding a ton.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:00:04 2020 No.6356471 >>6356454 >everyone disagreeing with me is one person Not how it works, I'm pretty sure there are aty least two other posters who have been telling you that you're a stupid fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:03:46 2020 No.6356483 >>6356452 Also this, fuck's sake

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:04:24 2020 No.6356487 >>6356471 Oh you would love to push the narrative of how socially acceptable it is to sperg out over absolutely minuscule petty details like spending a few extra minutes to roll better stats. Truly pathetic, and you're not fooling anyone.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:04:48 2020 No.6356489

>>6356450
reminds me of this: there is a tome in the game which permanently raises your constitution by 1. so you can conveniently start with 17 for that stat. that tome is helpful knowing what will happen with one of your stats in BG2 during the dream episode.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:06:39 2020 No.6356492

>>6356452
It's not because it literally only takes a party with like 2 fighters with any stats. They don't attack. The area is quite in your way.

I can't wait to see just how more build specific and out of the way that 2k XP bullshit is. And I already know it is because you complained about "micro" (micro with pause hahaha) of all things.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:07:50 2020 No.6356496

>>6356487
The only sperg in this thread is your stupid fucking ass.
Everyine else has the decency to build a coherent argument about anything they're arguing, you're just crying and kicking and screaming like a fucking toddler and generally making this thread complete fuxking garbage by having nothing whatsoever to say while being unable to SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:09:12 2020 No.6356501 >>6356492 >I haven nothing to say but I must post Fucks sake I've never seen such an obvious noob taking so many fucking words to say absolutely nothing of fucking value You spent 10 hours on this game and already half of that arguing about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:09:15 2020 No.6356503 You don't need to powergame to beat BG. There's nothing wrong with playing an unoptimized character.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:09:59 2020 No.6356507

>>6356492
ahh so youre already jumping to conclusions that your method is the "best" while agreeing that you know nothing about the other methods, thus you admit that you know nothing about the game, and your whole argument is a wild leap of faith caused by your own retarded sense of pride of arrogance
>the ankhegs dont attack
they are supposed to, fucking cretin, i dont care what bugs you are cheesing

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:10:04 2020 No.6356508

>>6356496
Oh I've perfectly adjusted to your petty level of mindless nitpicking over trivial details. The only qualities you could possibly be described with is stubborn smoothbrainness. Can't help yourself not to fuel with the fire any further though, can ya? typical 4chan sperg.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:11:17 2020 No.6356515 >>6356507 Ha you wish it's a valid assumption when you're conversationalist displays pure idiocy like complaining about micro. Can you even still hold the mouse with all that arthritis? You can pause you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:12:32 2020 No.6356519 >>6356515 that post is the first time i replied to you schizo, i dont know what micro shit youre talking about

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:13:36 2020 No.6356523

>>6356507
>they are supposed to, fucking cretin, i dont care what bugs you are cheesing
What a perfectly low IQ. Since when is manipulating the mobs AI, which is skill-based btw, cheesing? It gets to attack, not as little as possible due to manipulation, but you couldn't discern that in your all-knowing wisdom, huh? Kudos, truly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:13:43 2020 No.6356524 Man, when a mongoloid with zero self-awareness enters the domain of posters absolutely willing to dig in their heels about the most inane horseshit it's truly the thread apocalypse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:14:37 2020 No.6356528 >>6356519 Keep samefagging and then deflecting. You're cuter when you do.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:17:05 2020 No.6356536

>>6356528
>>6356452
>>6356507
>>6356519
these are the only posts in which i replied to you, you dumb fucking redditor, i am sorry that you are unable to comprehend how retarded the shit you spout is, so that multiple rational people will prove you wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:17:25 2020 No.6356538 >>6356524 Which suits this site because you just can't help yourself debunking optimal use of time in a video game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:18:38 2020 No.6356543 >>6356536 I'll let the grand adjudication team of proper post reply distribution & demarcation know as they analyze your efforts, anonymous-kun. Your hard work won't be in vain, that I guarantee!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:18:46 2020 No.6356547 >>6356524 400 posts in a week and now we'll get 150+ posts that spawned from a beginner playing a sorcerer.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:20:59 2020 No.6356549

>hey guys this is a really good method
>yeah bro its not that great actually
>WTF? I CAME UP WITH IT SO ITS GOOD
>dude look i understand but its pretty shit actually
>multiple posters prove him wrong and he accuses them of samefagging
what mental illness is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:22:00 2020 No.6356554 >>6356549 >what mental illness is this? The kind of illness where you insert unrelated 18/00 as the sole reason of the method being unsuitable to your extremely high standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:24:38 2020 No.6356568 >>6356508 >hurt durr u dumb Still no argument What a shock Fucking ape

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:25:40 2020 No.6356572 >>6356549 Regular day for a 16 years old on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:25:50 2020 No.6356574 >>6356568 That's hilarious. You're genuinely oblivious? Lmfao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:26:49 2020 No.6356580 >>6356554 >still cant read There's just no hope for this level of pure fucking retardation

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:28:49 2020 No.6356586

>>6356574
Oblivious to what
Your inability to say anything but retarded namecalling and proving nothing but that you have played 10 hours, can't read, don't understand shit and would rather shit up threads than try to argue anything like a normal non-mentally I'll person?
Fucking kill yourself you fucking insane retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:29:09 2020 No.6356587 >>6356580 Keep deflecting and moving goalposts, I'm sure eventually you'll come out as the grand victor of this anynomous post battle.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:31:21 2020 No.6356594

>>6356586
To the fact that despite how much you care about not digressing into stupid shit, you continue to fuel your pathetic OCD of absolutely being unable not to communicate your absolute scorn and disdain for anyone who dares object to your iron-clad indisputable logic. You fucking moron.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:35:43 2020 No.6356608

>>6356587
What goalposts
>hurr durr 18/00 stronk hurr durr micro useless because pause
>me pgm
I'm arguing that you have nothing to say and can't shut the fuck up because you'd rather insult everyone than try to understand what they write.
>>6356594
>more insults and still no argument
Ok, what is your point then?
Always fucking incredible to read 16 years old retard insulting everyone for an hour then bitch and complain about proper rhetorics

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:35:46 2020 No.6356609

This reminds me of that time a guy baited three posters to create a 600 post Infinity Engine thread by constantly arguing that no-reloading Baldur's Gate is entirely pure RNG and not skill, and when given examples to contrary he would go back to an argument answered 40 posts ago and try to restart the argument, and they typed at each other like that for at least 3 hours straight, went to bed, and created more posts

it was like 600 posts and 18 unique posters

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:41:59 2020 No.6356617 >>6356609 Well he wasn't wrong. RNG plays a heavy part in the "skill" of this game.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:42:26 2020 No.6356619

>>6356608
There's no point. Human beings can't be 100% logical, but you're too stupid to get that, and are going to continue to be a dumb alt-right trumptard exercising your iron-clad will of logical correctness to the point where people just ignore you because they're fed up.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:44:06 2020 No.6356625

>>6356609
No no, it was like 2000 posts and 4 posters
I remember it too but regardless of the fucking retard arguing utter nonsense it was actually a very good thread with high quality discussion and good understanding of the game, too bad that it was in response to a literal autist.
This shit is just one fucking mongoloid who thinks he discovered fire and is butthurt and insulting everyone when they point that he didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:44:07 2020 No.6356626 >>6356619 >bringing politics in here out of all places >haha guys human being are not 100% logical (basically admits that he is a fucking retard) return to reddit you mentally disturbed freak

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:45:09 2020 No.6356628 >>6356617 No. It never does. You just don't know what you are doing if it does, that's literally all there is to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:45:29 2020 No.6356630 >>6356626 Here's to our 100% mathematically correct, beacon of logic, anonymous poster. May he live a 1000 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:46:11 2020 No.6356632 >>6356619 >more nonsense Imagine my shock and surprise

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:48:37 2020 No.6356641 >>6356630 You know, instead of posting this kind of retarded shit, you could just shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:50:45 2020 No.6356647 >>6356619 What the fuck does the alt-right and the bogeyman living in your head RENT FREE have to do with anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:51:19 2020 No.6356650 >>6356641 You're winning, trust me. You're this close!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:52:22 2020 No.6356654 >>6356630 uh thanks for admitting youre wrong, i guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:53:35 2020 No.6356659 >>6356650 Not him but explain to us what do the alt-right and shit have to do with all of that, the thread is dying anyway so go ahead, expose your mental illness, we wont make fun promise

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:55:38 2020 No.6356665

>>6356647
I adore your inability to self-respect and so you go, meekly, "w-what did I do? i-is it me? d-did i say s-something wrong?". It just goes to show how much of it a simple vacancy in your of braincells that would improve your social standing. sad, but understandable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:56:37 2020 No.6356668 >>6356665 nigga u drunk or on drugs, go to fucking sleep

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:56:45 2020 No.6356669 >>6356665 What are you smoking

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:04:03 2020 No.6356676 His psychotic meltdown is losing steam! Quick, someone reply point-by-point to his post

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:05:55 2020 No.6356679 >>6356676 You're no fun anymore. We'll trying again in the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:21:12 2020 No.6356703 well since this thread is dying and has been taken over by madness and drug abuse, let's get a new one going >>6356698

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:25:50 2020 No.6356713
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>Man posts bad advice, gets called out for it
>In a desperate attempt to save face, starts by defending his shitty opinion, pivots to name calling and blatant trolling
>Check back 2 hours later
>He's still at it
inb4 he calls me autistic/sperg or accuses me of samefagging

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:53:21 2020 No.6356790 how do you make a ui mod for BG?

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