/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6330640]

Does the original Tomb Raider stand the test of time or was it never good to begin with?

[Anonymous No.6330642]

I don't think those are the only two options.

[Anonymous No.6330648]

>>6330642
posts like yours remind me why i stopped to /vr/

[Anonymous No.6330714]

>>6330640
It holds up well, I replay it every now and then but it's nowhere near as hard as I remember.

[Anonymous No.6330981]

A game not aging well is a sign it was never that good to begin with.

[Anonymous No.6330987]

>>6330981
Who defines whether a game has aged well? Zoomers? Alphas?

[Anonymous No.6330991]

>>6330987
You define that for yourself, silly.

[Anonymous No.6332184]

>>6330640
worst thread in the history of /vr/.

[Anonymous No.6333084]

>>6330987
It has to do with what features of an older game people feel have become outdated and which features have become obsolete. The more features of a game people feel have merely become outdated, the more people will likely say that that game has aged well. On the other hand, the more features of a game people feel have become obsolete, the more people will likely say that a game has aged poorly. It's all very subjective.

[Anonymous No.6333118]

>>6330640
Nah, it's still good. Heavily atmospheric, pulls the "secret horror game in disguise" gambit, lot of fun.

The sequels lose me a bit with their increasing emphasis on character development, but s'fine.

[Anonymous No.6333124]

>>6330640
Still good.

[Anonymous No.6333138]

>>6330640
You can still have fun with in a videogame even if you think it might of not aged well.
Because the reason the that Tomb Raider until the angel of darkness had tank controls is because the games developed for the Saturn and the playstation and the Standard SKU of the Saturn didn't have an analog stick.

[Anonymous No.6333192]

Game's alright still but I remember thinking it was too long.

[Anonymous No.6333194]

>>6330640
Been playing through it and I have to say, it holds up very well.

[Anonymous No.6333208]

It's good but II is better. I would start there.

[Anonymous No.6333453]

>>6330648
It really should've stayed that way.

[Anonymous No.6333481]

>>6330640
It aged better than the 2013 one, I played through them both in the last month

[Anonymous No.6333489]

>>6333481
what about the remake of the original, played that?

[Anonymous No.6333491]

>>6330640
Tried playing it recently as I grew up poor and am neet now, not that I have ethics, on a epsxe and it XD in my face never loading. I wonder why?

Perhaps bin/cue isn't the way.

Was the first on the PSX? Oh no, nevermind me. I shouldn't have downloaded the PSX anyway.

I wonder if pirategay has that OP? Actually I never try such things as PC games are always XD in my face more often than even emulated games when you have no real CD to use. Complications happen.

So I have no idea OP.

[Anonymous No.6333509]

>>6333489
Nope

[Anonymous No.6333547]

>>6330640
The first Tomb Raider has some kind of atmosphere that never returned in any of the following sequels.

[Anonymous No.6333557]

>>6330640
It's a false dichotomy, as you are creating only two options: the game standing test of time or being bad.
The game doesn't stand the test of time, because it was obsolete by the time TR2 premiered 23 years ago. Doesn't mean it's bad nor that it wasn't ground-breaking.

[Anonymous No.6333569]

>>6330640
Of course it does.

[Anonymous No.6333692]

>>6333491
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about but if you actually want to play it pirate the GOG version.

[Anonymous No.6333758]

>>6333547

I think it's the sense of complete isolation. Tomb Raider oozes the feeling of being alone in some lonely, forgotten ruin somewhere.

The sequel kills the feeling by giving you city levels and throwing a million fucking human enemies everywhere. We didn't get that specific type of game again until The Last Revelation.

[Anonymous No.6333775]

>>6330640
Media not aging well have nothing to do with its quality. RoboCop is a film that didn't age well and it is still great. 95% of movies made before the 60s didn't age well and there are still masterpieces there. Any art made before the 20th century didn't age well for our modern times and there are still masterpieces there as well. I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with "aging" in a fucking RETRO video game board. Aging is part of the aesthetics of retro.

[Anonymous No.6333782]

>>6333118
Huh, you might be on to something. The first game did feel like a survival-horror game with puzzles at times.

[Anonymous No.6333958]

>>6330640
No. It lacks movesets (like crawling) and the famous signature ponytail that TR2 on out have.

Plus let's not forget how much of the game such as drops are 2-D sprites inserted into a 3-D environment. That problem got fixed a little in TR2, but wasn't fully fixed until TR3.

[Anonymous No.6334058]

OP I'm playing TR1 for the first time now. Just started it yesterday and it fucking rules. I'm bummed this was a series I wasn't into when I was growing up. I remember my dad made me choose between this game and suikoden. I know realize I may have chose wrong.

[Anonymous No.6334065]

>>6333481
This is what I came to post. Visually the original is a little rough, but gameplay wise it holds up much better than the remake.

[Anonymous No.6334069]

>>6334065
And by remake I mean Anniversary. I haven't played the new reboot one.

[Anonymous No.6334080]

>>6334069
It's kind of funny that Anniversary aged so much more poorly.
>yeah let's make the bossfights pure QTE sequences
You could even get away with the control scheme of the OG Tomb Raider nowadays as like a retro thing, you're not getting away with Anniversary's bossfights.

[Anonymous No.6334090]

>>6334080
Yeah Tomb Raider's controls are still totally fine, but all that QTE stuff has aged like milk.

[Anonymous No.6334501]

TR1 holds up well, great levels and atmosphere. TR2 is okay, it's a solid sequel but its more focus on the action with tons of human enemies, the Tibet and Venice levels are great but the Maria Doria levels drag on for too long.

[Anonymous No.6334537]

>>6330640
In the year 2020...
I just bought the first TR, never played TR, and its fukin awsome

[Anonymous No.6334565]

>TR thread
>No Aragorn posting yet
You guys are pathetic

he Aragorn-posting Polish dump of Core-era TRs is back once more, GOLDs and top patches as always included.

>TR1 + GOLD (Unfinished Business)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/mmfKvWFs/file.html

>TR2 + GOLD (The Golden Mask)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/PkMmlWZY/file.html

>TR3
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/urN08HxH/file.html

>TR3 GOLD (The Lost Artifact)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/zNGd0JUy/file.html

>TR: The Last Revelation (TR4)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/q7hw80M0/file.html
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/rda9BmLd/file.html
You need both, since zippyshare had 500 MB limit and the full installer weights 577 MB

>TR: Chronicles (TR5)
https://www7.zippyshare.com/v/4rnIn581/file.html

>TR: Angel of Darkness (TR6)
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/JNHMxK0f/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/IuSkbFX9/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/YGNYjvii/file.html
https://www33.zippyshare.com/v/GbXCo9ru/file.html
You need all four, for the same reason

[Anonymous No.6334626]

>>6334565
>patches
Nude ones?

[Anonymous No.6334904]

>>6334626
4chan is 18+, please leave.

[Anonymous No.6334908]

>>6334904
Is this your first day on /vr/? lol

[Anonymous No.6334958]

>>6330640
1 and 4 are my two fav TR games. Can't really choose.

[Anonymous No.6335017]

>>6334904
I'm 38.

[Anonymous No.6335045]

>>6334904
I’m so tired of hearing you bitch on here and /ck/. Just fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.6335050]

>>6330640
Stood until 1998. Looks like a windows 95 beta test

[Anonymous No.6335071]

>install Steam version of Tomb Raider 1 on Linux
>running with Proton, game crashes after opening cutscene
>realize using Proton to run Windows DOSBox is stupidly convoluted
>install Boxtron to make Steam run the game in Linux DOSBox
>random key-up events cause me to stop running; find out it's a known DOSBox bug
>install dosbox-staging to fix key-up bug and other bullshit fixed

The only problem I have now is little graphics glitches, where textures incorrectly appear on top of others at certain angles, like what you can see in my image, in the bottom left corner of the raised platform where part of the floor behind it is showing. I don't know if this is a DOSBox bug, or just a bug in the game's software rendering.

Or, at least, I assume this is software rendering. The config file in the blue terminal is, for some reason, auto-generated by Boxtron every time the game runs, so I can't change it. However, I should be able to override anything in the other config file seen in the green terminal. Boxtron auto-generated that one too, but it doesn't remake it every time. What's weird is that Boxtron seems to have copied "scaler=hardware2x" from the Windows DOSBox config file that came with Steam, but then commented it out, so I guess it's either not a valid parameter for Linux DOSBox or wouldn't work for some other reason.

[Anonymous No.6335075]

>>6330640

[Anonymous No.6335190]

>>6330640
The latter. While the visuals (though I like them) are dated, you quickly tune that out.

What you can't tune out is the atmosphere; it's still there in spades. Play it or watch an LP and tell me you didn't get at least a bit spooked going under the Sphinx, in Natla's mines or exploring Atlantis.

Because Lara was such a phenomenon, how good the original game was is almost always forgotten.

[Anonymous No.6335191]

>>6335190
*The former. Duh.

[Anonymous No.6335203]

>>6333569
explain this please

[Anonymous No.6335205]

>>6334565
what's the best retro tomb raider game?

[Anonymous No.6335210]

>>6334065
>>6334080
I kinda wish we could have free aiming on the original instead of lock-on. I don't suppose there are mods/source ports for that.

[Anonymous No.6335220]

>>6335205
Arguably 4, however it's very obtuse in places and might be a bit of a turnoff for a new player. If you're only going to play one Tomb Raider I'd say play 1. 2 is really good but the first half is plauged by city levels, personally I think 3 has some of the highest highs (not a sentiment many people share) but also some of the lowest lows, with high, almost unfair at times, difficulty spikes. 5 is infamous for being a cheap cash grab the devs didn't want to make and it kinda shows, the last level is also notoriously glitchy, however it's not awful if you need a Tomb Raider fix.

[Anonymous No.6335226]

>>6335190
I played through Unfinished Business for the first time this year and at least one point I jumped out of my seat becauae of those Atlantean fuckers.

[Anonymous No.6335283]

>>6335071
so it's a headfuck to get the steam version working?

[Anonymous No.6335294]

>>6335283
I think it worked out of the box when I tried running it on Windows. The Steam version just runs the game in DOSBox so it's really a matter of whether they set up the DOSBox config correctly.

The PC Gaming Wiki article has a handful of unofficial patches, etc., some of which might be considered essential, so I don't know if just playing the Steam version out of the box is really the recommended way to go.

There's also this: https://opentomb.github.io/

[Anonymous No.6336438]

>>6335205
What the other anon said - 4 is the very peak of the series.
But if you want to LEARN how to play them, rather than jump right into deep water, start with 3 (and obviously do a Croft Manor obstacle course first, before pressing New Game).

[Anonymous No.6336486]

>>6330640
The first TR games are timeless classics.

[Anonymous No.6336507]

>>6334565
Do these include the widescreen patches?

[Anonymous No.6336532]

>>6335203
Where's the beef?

[Anonymous No.6338483]

>ctrl-f "aged"
>7 results
Found the ignant zoomers

[Anonymous No.6339201]

>>6338483
>t. didn't even read the thread or posts

[Anonymous No.6339204]

>>6336507
Not that anon, but works fine for me, at least in case of TLR. But I didn't try the other ones yet

[Anonymous No.6339520]

>>6335294
There's absolutely nothing that turns me on more than open source engine reimplementations.

[Anonymous No.6339534]

>>6336507
My rip of Tomb Raider 2 has a widescreen fix:

https://mega.nz/#F!y1sRHSqb!iC34TYjpr5fWmDpAgSpybQ

Check under Windows Games
p.s. TR4 does not have one

[Anonymous No.6339547]

>>6339534
thank you

[Anonymous No.6340806]

So I tried playing TR1 from this link:
>>6334565

and the cutscene that's supposed to play at the end of the first level (tomb of whatshisname) doesn't play and I'm instead dropped in the beginning of the section before. That is, it's impossible to finish the level. I tried googling and haven't found anyone with the same issue.

I assumed at first that the cutscene videos can't be found but it appears at least that dosbox is mounting the cd properly.

Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.6340901]

>>6340806
No offense to the polish aragorn tomb raider dumping guy personally, but his installs are a bit crappy (tr2 doesnt even have the .exe installer, and tr1 is apparantly bugged).

Got three solutions to your problem:

1. Skip the level by an in-game cheat, by doing as follows:

Make one step forward (walking, not running!), then one backwards, then followed (without pause) by making 3 full 360 degrees circles to the right, and jump forward, this will skip the level.

2. Try making an empty .txt file in the FMV folder, name it exactly as the real .fmv cutscene giving trouble, and then change it into an .RPL file, this will overwrite the faulty FMV.

3. Or use this dospack which has TR1 as well, works fine for me:

https://mega.nz/folder/y1sRHSqb#iC34TYjpr5fWmDpAgSpybQ

[Anonymous No.6341361]

>>6340901
Thanks! I'll try tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.6341986]

>>6330640
I personally always thought this game kinda sucked and that it was solely based around sex appeal. That was when I was like 9. I absolutely cannot play one of these anymore, they're too fucking archaic. The Tomb Raider Anniversary remake was great fun though I loved that game.

[Anonymous No.6342038]

>>6333118
psx version is the worst

[Anonymous No.6342197]

>>6340901
Different anon, but confirming the empty .txt solution. Mostly because it's how those issues were fixed by Polish TR community when Cenega released all the game together

[Anonymous No.6342208]

>>6341986
>I am totally not baiting
And nobody is taking, either