About to play this for the first time, which version should I play? It was originally released for the Sega ST-V arcade system which everyone here says has the same hardware as the Sega Saturn, so is the Sega Saturn version really an arcade-perfect port?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 7 01:21:15 2020 No.6319830 [Reply] [Original]

About to play this for the first time, which version should I play? It was originally released for the Sega ST-V arcade system which everyone here says has the same hardware as the Sega Saturn, so is the Sega Saturn version really an arcade-perfect port?

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 01:32:55 2020 No.6319867

>>6319830
The ST-V Titan board has the same hardware and specs as the Saturn. It's just that most games on it were released on Cartridge instead of CD. Though there is at least one game that is on CD actually.

The issue with this particular game is that going from Cartridge to CD, animations got cut as they now had to be loaded into RAM instead of being just read off the cartridge.

Had the game either been released a little later to use the 4MB cartridge, or if Sega had let developers release Saturn games on Cartridge it would have been identical.

So for Animation Quality the Arcade version is better. However the Saturn version does sport a 4 player mode and additional bonsues that the Arcade version lacks.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 01:34:56 2020 No.6319871

>>6319830

>Goketsuji Ichizoku 3: Groove On Figh

Weird as hell game as it's some time skip in some obscure game fighting series featuring old grannies, but it's got this art deco, fascist, 30's look going on and the big selling character is the titty cop there. I really think they should have made it a stand-alone game rather than adding it to Granny Fighters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymx6St2Xuj4

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 01:45:10 2020 No.6319880 >>6319830 >WOW BEWBS you know a game is gonna be mediocre when it needs fanservice to sell

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:07:58 2020 No.6319912 >>6319830 Weird game, has an interesting artstyle though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:08:50 2020 No.6319915 >>6319871 Pretty sure this is the game with Princess Clara in it from Purikura Daisakusen which is a really fun isometric game with gorgeous sprites and fun 2-player.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:21:03 2020 No.6319934

>>6319867
>The ST-V Titan board has the same hardware and specs as the Saturn.
>Animation Quality the Arcade version is better.
These statements seem to contradict one another.
If the Saturn had the "same hardware and specs as the Saturn" as you said, why wouldn't the Saturn port have as good of animations?
It feels like you're lying through your teeth and I'm left wondering if you have any evidence that the Saturn had the same hardware as the ST-V Titan board after all. You imply the Saturn didn't have the 4MB necessary to play this game but still claim it has the "same hardware and specs" so it's unclear what you're trying to say.
So, did the Saturn have "the same hardware and specs as the Saturn" as you said, or did it have less memory which was the reason for this port having butchered animations?

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:28:58 2020 No.6319948

>>6319934
>These statements seem to contradict one another.
>If the Saturn had the "same hardware and specs as the Saturn" as you said, why wouldn't the Saturn port have as good of animations?

Because the Saturn version came on a CD vs a Cartridge. Had they released it on a cartridge it would have been identical.

>So, did the Saturn have "the same hardware and specs as the Saturn" as you said

Well of Course the Saturn had the same hardware and specs as the Saturn. It also has the same Hardware and Specs as the ST-V Titan board. The only difference is the media the games came on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:31:51 2020 No.6319953 >>6319880 first it's underboobs and not just boobs second i have no idea how good is the game but i played it just because of the underboob lol

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:34:02 2020 No.6319954

>>6319948
>The only difference is the media the games came on.
If the ST-V and Saturn had the "same" hardware and specs, why did one take a superior cartridge and one take an inferior CD?
It seems like same hardware and specs would mean they would take the same input medium, but maybe you don't understand the word "same". Is English your first language? If the Saturn had the "same" hardware it would be able to take the superior cartridge format.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:35:02 2020 No.6319956

>>6319934
when a game is on cartridge; the console/arcade/hardware in general doesnt need to load the data into ram to access it, it has direct access to the cartridge
but when on a CD-ROM, the access isnt fast enough, so they load the data into a ram, wich because is expensive isnt always a lot (psx had 2megs, saturn had the cartridge extension so more "ram"... i'm not sure of the exact numbers tho)
this happened in some games from Neogeo to Neogeo CD too !

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:36:31 2020 No.6319959 >>6319954 aaaaand now you are just being a dick !

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:38:38 2020 No.6319961

>>6319954
>why did one take a superior cartridge and one take an inferior CD?
That would have made the Saturn inferior like the N64 is then, nobody would have wanted that. Consoles are always going to be a little compromised but CDs offered far more benefits in the long term, and later games benefited from the optical media. If only Nintendo listened at the time however, then they could have had a competitive platform at least.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:38:49 2020 No.6319962

>>6319954
>If the ST-V and Saturn had the "same" hardware and specs, why did one take a superior cartridge and one take an inferior CD?

Both systems were actually capable of running games from both CDs and Cartridges. Cartridges were more desirable in arcades due to loading up faster and requiring less maintenance. CDs were more desired for the home because they were cheaper to produce and sell.

> If the Saturn had the "same" hardware it would be able to take the superior cartridge format.

It can, Sega just didn't allow it on top of it being cost prohibitive. You can see the details about booting a game from Cartridge in the developer documentation:

http://antime.kapsi.fi/sega/files/ST-079B-R3-011895.pdf

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:46:58 2020 No.6319972

>>6319961
So in your opinion the Switch should take a CD instead of a small flash cart. LOL, ok autist.
>>6319962
That PDF doesn't explain anything. Why do emulation developers have to rework the Saturn emulators in order to be compatible with ST-V Titan games? If the hardware is identical they wouldn't need to. It seems like you just keep spewing lies over and over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:52:09 2020 No.6319985 >>6319972 Hey if the switch had optical media it probably wouldn't have games where you need to download half of them in the cases.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:53:05 2020 No.6319986 >>6319985 >hey if i'm coping then here's a retarded what-if scenario You're delusional.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:53:09 2020 No.6319989
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>>6319972
>That PDF doesn't explain anything.

Imagine being too retarded to use CTRL+F...

>Why do emulation developers have to rework the Saturn emulators in order to be compatible with ST-V Titan games?

Because the Bios is different and it's inputs and outputs are geared to work with a JAMMA interface.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:53:42 2020 No.6319990 >>6319986 This won't make it so the switch has the full game on those cartridges.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 03:07:01 2020 No.6320006 >>6319972 you just got BTFO >>6319989

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 03:29:56 2020 No.6320047 >>6319989 >>6320006 >you just got BTFO So Groove On Fight for Saturn is arcade-perfect? And the ST-V hardware is identical to the Saturn's? Or did you just BTFO yourselves?

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 04:36:41 2020 No.6320193

>>6319830
No for a couple different reasons. With the arcade version, you'd be missing a character that was available in the Saturn version, along with the higher quality cd soundtrack. With the Saturn version, you'd be missing several animation frames, which is odd because I could've sworn this version required the 4MB ram cart.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 09:26:36 2020 No.6320549

>>6320047
>So Groove On Fight for Saturn is arcade-perfect?
No, it's missing some animations.

>And the ST-V hardware is identical to the Saturn's?
Yes.

>Or did you just BTFO yourselves?
No, you're just a retard who can't understand the differences between a Cartridge and a CD-ROM.

Had the Saturn version been released on a Cartridge, it would have had all the arcade animations in tact. But Sega didn't allow that due to piracy concerns.

>>6320193
> I could've sworn this version required the 4MB ram cart.

Sadly it uses the 1MB cart, it came out a few months too early.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 10:29:01 2020 No.6320692 >>6319880 No I don't

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:58:26 2020 No.6320901

>>6320549
>>Had the Saturn version been released on a Cartridge, it would have had all the arcade animations in tact. But Sega didn't allow that due to piracy concerns.
Not the that guy you quoted. Why would Sega worry about Cartridge piracy when CD piracy is significantly cheaper than Cartridge piracy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 14:15:34 2020 No.6321332 >>6320549 >No, it's missing some animations. So the Saturn ports of ST-V games aren't necessarily arcade-perfect after all? Everyone here said the ST-V ports were arcade perfect on Saturn.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 14:17:07 2020 No.6321338

>>6321332
It depends on a case by case basis, something like cotton 2/boomerang is perfect (better actually) on saturn. This isn't like mortal kombat trilogy on the n64 where it's got snes quality animations and sound because they removed and compressed so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 14:24:30 2020 No.6321367 >>6320047 Bro are you actually retarded

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 14:27:15 2020 No.6321380

>>6321367
he's the n64fag, after getting BTFO in his last thread for thinking there's hardware differences between the STV Titan and Saturn he had to delete the thread after the specs were posted proving they're functionally identical. So he desperately searched for a game, any game to prove "well akchuyally" they're different in a hilarious display of asshurt.

This all stems from his desire to, in his own words, defend the legacy of the N64 on /v/. This involves starting petty console wars about other platforms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 14:33:26 2020 No.6321403 >>6321338 I guess I'll just stick to the original arcade versions then. I got a Saturn for cheap at a garage sale last year and I've been wanting to play it but all the good games turn out to be better when I emulate the arcade versions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 15:29:16 2020 No.6321597 >>6321380 >he's the n64fag Wrong. >he had to delete the thread Wrong. Are you new? The thread was too old to delete by anyone except a butthurt mod who's mad he just found out his Saturn ports aren't actually arcade perfect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 15:33:35 2020 No.6321609 >>6321597 here he is to defend his honor after being BTFO yet again lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 15:41:17 2020 No.6321632 >>6321609 >i've been wrong in every single way and can't stop replying >the saturn ports aren't arcade-perfect after all and i'm having a meltdown

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 15:56:25 2020 No.6321673 >>6321632 we get it bro, you don't handle disagreement well, no need to have a tantrum lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:23:25 2020 No.6322067 i love how OP (whose probably long gone by now) was just asking which version of a fucking game to play and then in normal 4chan fashion, this thread turned into something you used to see more often on /b. good job, guys

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:28:52 2020 No.6322081 >>6319880 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:30:05 2020 No.6322082 >>6322067 >whose probably long gone by now lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:31:42 2020 No.6322085 >>6319915 Not Clara it's another magical girl that's her ancestor or some shit called Purura (Plura), Clara originated in PI2

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:32:45 2020 No.6322091 >>6322067 To be fair the question was answered in the couple first posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:44:13 2020 No.6322120 >>6319880 Fuck off nintenyearold

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:50:15 2020 No.6322141 >>6319830 HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT TIT SKIRT

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:51:01 2020 No.6322143 [DELETED]

>>6320901
Because the Cartridge boot sequence bypasses the copy protection check. It's the very same exploit your Psuedo Saturn cartridges use.

>>6321332
Most are as it's the same hardware. Some special case ones (mostly 2D Fighters that store lots of animation and make use of it being on a cartridge to get away with it) are sometimes cut back, especially if they were released before the 4MB RAM cart was available.

>>6321632
>the saturn ports aren't arcade-perfect after all and i'm having a meltdown

Most ST-V to Saturn conversions are perfect or better than the Arcade. As stated above only ones that used the cartridge to store lots of 2D animations that wouldn't fit into RAM tend to be cut back. It's not that the Saturn is incapable of replicating this. It's simply an issue of CD vs Cartridge.

>>6322067
No, the OP was trying to stir the pot, it became evident after his he replied to the information posted.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 18:55:16 2020 No.6322157

>>6320901
Because the Cartridge boot sequence bypasses the copy protection check. It's the very same exploit your Psuedo Saturn cartridges use.

>>6321332
Most are as it's the same hardware. Some special case ones (mostly 2D Fighters that store lots of animation and make use of it being on a cartridge to get away with it) are sometimes cut back, especially if they were released before the 4MB RAM cart was available.

>>6321632
>the saturn ports aren't arcade-perfect after all and i'm having a meltdown

Most ST-V to Saturn conversions are perfect or better than the Arcade. As stated above only ones that used the cartridge to store lots of 2D animations that wouldn't fit into RAM tend to be cut back. It's not that the Saturn is incapable of replicating this. It's simply an issue of CD vs Cartridge.

>>6322067
No, the OP was trying to stir the pot, it became evident after he replied to the information posted.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:03:42 2020 No.6322176

>>6322157
>the OP was trying to stir the pot, it became evident after he replied to the information posted.
yeah it's from this thread last night that the OP of it deleted it after being btfo for numerous posts in a row, getting more and more pathetic with every reply.
>>>/vr/thread/6316552
it's really telling that he made this thread just to try to claim a victory, any victory possible after humiliating himself in every way all in an attempt to shit on a console he doesn't like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:06:02 2020 No.6322182 >>6322141 It's so gross and toxic, ugh. I'm literally shaking this display of male power fantasy is NOT OKAY.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:16:37 2020 No.6322215
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>>6319830
arcade has more animation frames and no loading times

saturn has a gallery and stage select, but also remixed music.
the big perk of saturn is that it completes the 3 bosses and makes them unlockable. the weak looking guy had 1 attack in the original, so he got a full new moveset.
but its also worth mentioning the saturn version removes the nudity

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:23:17 2020 No.6322230 >>6322215 oh yeah, saturn also supports 4 player

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:24:33 2020 No.6322236 >>6322230 >>6322215 Shit, Saturn version sounds incredible when you put it like that. Small loss for a shit ton of extras.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:34:44 2020 No.6322262 >>6322236 saturn extras are great but if you're super used to arcade the missing animation frames are a little disappointing no clue if the game changes competitively

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 19:35:59 2020 No.6322265 >>6322262 I'm doubtful the scene for groove on fight is highly competitive. Or existent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 20:43:10 2020 No.6322407 >>6322176 >that was the OP >he deleted a thread that was too old to delete First day here, Snoo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 21:15:47 2020 No.6322470 >>6319880 keep dilating and trucking, bro!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:20:11 2020 No.6322589 >>6322265 If there was one, it was japan only and likely gone now. That arcade Mikado group has some 10 year old videos on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-pkhnFFBiA

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:33:28 2020 No.6322615 >>6319880 There's a shota dick too if that's what you're into.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:36:31 2020 No.6322620 Friendly reminder. >EDGE23, August 1995 >Edge: So Titan is more powerful than Saturn? >Yu Suzuki: Yes, the system's more powerful than Saturn

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:54:06 2020 No.6322646 >>6322620 How? It's the same hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:58:04 2020 No.6322648 >>6322215 wait does she actually show nips in the arcade?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:59:15 2020 No.6322650 >>6322620 Friendly reminder, that quote is nowhere to be found in that issue of Edge: https://archive.org/details/EDGE.N023.1995.08/mode/2up Maybe you've confused it with another article they did later talking about a supposed Saturn upgrade?

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 22:59:30 2020 No.6322652

>>6322589

Games like this need constant patches to get a semblance of balance and as far as I know there was only 1 version. Also there's more newer games in the Granny Fighter series right? So why not play those?

That there's even a few tournaments is pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:00:37 2020 No.6322654 >>6322650 >>6322620 n64fag being BTFO again. Dude just loves being abused.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:09:59 2020 No.6322676 [SPOILER]

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>>6322648
nudity is nothing new for the series

>>6322652
japan seems to give every fighting game a tournament at some point but groove on fight is that one weird experimental entry, so it stands out a bit more now imo.
obviously people would rather do matrimelee though

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:13:03 2020 No.6322681

>>6322620
>>6322650
>>6322654

PDF Version to allow for using CTRL+F:
https://ia800202.us.archive.org/3/items/EDGE.N023.1995.08/EDGE.N023.1995.08-Escapade.pdf

Yu Suzuki is mentioned twice in the whole thing, and Titan is only mentioned once. Never in the same sentence however. Nor do you see the question being asked if Titan is more powerful than Saturn.

All you see is developers mentioning that converting the games over isn't as easy as it sounds as some parts have to be reprogrammed. Most likely the parts dealing with the BIOS and going from Cartridge to CD as previously mentioned in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:13:06 2020 No.6322682 >>6322676 >nudity is nothing new for the series I watched some matches and did some searches but I couldn't find anything with Solis showing her titties. More info or screenshots?

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:19:24 2020 No.6322692

>>6322676
>japan seems to give every fighting game a tournament at some point but groove on fight is that one weird experimental entry, so it stands out a bit more now imo.
Even in Japan only massive fighting game nerds will play this. It's great that Mikado upload their tournament videos because they play literally anything. It's probably the only chance to watch shit like high level Daraku Tenshi or Kaiser Knuckle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:20:44 2020 No.6322694 >>6322682 just load the arcade rom nerd

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:22:07 2020 No.6322702

>>6322650
It was the June 94 issue.
That August 95 issue has a relevant quote.
>the conversion from ST-V to Saturn is not quite as easy as you'd think. The ST-V board and Saturn have of course some common points and parts, but conversion from the arcade board to the Saturn requires that some parts of the game have to be reprogrammed"
Here's the magazine with the quote about Titan being more powerful.
https://archive.org/details/EDGE.N009.1994.06/page/n49/mode/2up
>>6322654
>>6322646
>similar
>but
>bigger memory
>the sound is different - it's got a custom sound board - and the hardware's been speeded up for greater performance
>greater performance
BTFO'd. Again. You really don't get tired of making a complete ass of yourself, do you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:22:51 2020 No.6322704 >>6322694 are there any specific preconditions?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:39:00 2020 No.6322730

>>6322702
>https://archive.org/details/EDGE.N009.1994.06/page/n49/mode/2up

Yeah I'm willing to bet that's something screwed up in translation or Suzuki is talking about non-final specs. This is from June of 1994 after all.

Case in point, compare motherboards.

Saturn Revision VA0:
https://www.arcade-projects.com/forums/index.php?attachment/6671-dsc1985-2-jpg/

ST-V Titan:
https://www.coinopexpress.com/testing/getimage.php?product_id=304&ss_id=38110
https://segaretro.org/images/7/73/STV_motherboard.jpg

Looking at Sound Hardware both are sporting the Sega 315-5687 Chip (YMF-292). This is also know as the SCSP chip. Both are also sporting a MC68EC000. So much for it having a custom sound board.

Moving on I count the same amount of RAM ICs, and they look to be the same chips as well. So I think it's safe to say the have the same amount of RAM.

Both have the same SH-2s. So much for it being speeded up for greater performance.

VDP1 and VDP2 are the same chips, even down to the revision numbers, and the SCU is the same as well. Hell even the DRAM Control chip looks to be the same.

So please tell me, what part of the hardware is different?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:40:32 2020 No.6322734 File: 22 KB, 600x424, beelzebub-grooveon.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fun fact: The final boss of the game, Bristol-D, summons various demons from Shin Megami Tensei in his special moves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:46:31 2020 No.6322749 >>6322712 >>6322715 AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGHH I'M COOMING

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 23:48:22 2020 No.6322750

>>6322730
>i-it must be a bad translation
>m-maybe Suzuki was talking about non final specs
Cope.
Also, reminder that despite originally being a ST-V game, the Saturn's port is badly butchered and has worse animations and backgrounds.
If the Saturn really had "identical" hardware to the Titan, there would be no reason they had to butcher the port. And there woudl be no reason for the 1995 quote
>the conversion from ST-V to Saturn is not quite as easy as you'd think. The ST-V board and Saturn have of course some common points and parts, but conversion from the arcade board to the Saturn requires that some parts of the game have to be reprogrammed

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:00:42 2020 No.6322769 >>6322750 64fag getting btfo yet again, probably calls the ps1 the psx too with how disconnected he is from reality.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:06:24 2020 No.6322778

>>6322750
>Cope.

That's what you're doing by clinging to a very vague quote before the hardware was finalized. You're clearly desperate.

You can compare a VA0 Saturn motherboard to an ST-V Titan board and see the following chips are identical, even down to the revision numbers:

The SH-2s
The SCU (Sega 315-5688)
VDP2 (Sega 315-5690)
VDP1 (Sega 315-5689)
The SCSP (Sega 315-5687 YMF-292)
The SMPC (Sega 315-5744)
The DRAM Control Chip (315-5778)

You can also count up the RAM chips which are identical. So what part of the hardware is different? Give specifics, not vague maybes. What specific parts of the hardware is different and what about it in particular is different.

>If the Saturn really had "identical" hardware to the Titan, there would be no reason they had to butcher the port.

There is if you're going from a Cartridge format to a CD. We've been over this already.

> And there woudl be no reason for the 1995 quote

To which they're probably referring to going from Cartridge to CD, and dealing with the different BIOSes as well as the game being made to run in an arcade vs a home console. You know, removing the need to put in a coin, reworking the difficulty, adding an options menu, adding more things to keep players interest at home, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:07:26 2020 No.6322780 >>6322778 Forgot to also mention the M68EC000 is also identical between boards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:25:16 2020 No.6322798 >>6322778 >the hardware is the same >but they take completely different kinds of media You're a special breed of stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:26:15 2020 No.6322804 >>6322798 They both can use CD's or Cartridges. We've been over this, try again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:28:37 2020 No.6322810 >>6322615 >>6322676 >shota dick in full view >no loli cunny or any cunny whatsoever >the only boob shot is only a 1 second long Wtf is this game gay?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:29:06 2020 No.6322813 >>6322798 how can the 64fag be this dumb?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:31:14 2020 No.6322814 >>6322813 Everything he's tried has failed so he's just going in circles at this point hoping we have the memory and attention span of a goldlfish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:38:58 2020 No.6322825 File: 2.89 MB, 640x480, Goemon's Great Adventure first midboss.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6322813 The guy you've been arguing with this whole time isn't me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:50:15 2020 No.6322841 >>6322814 >>6322813 >stupidly accusing the wrong person of being stupid. The irony. Segautists are truly retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:51:10 2020 No.6322842 >>6322841 the 64fag is this desperate.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 00:54:20 2020 No.6322846

>>6322841
>It totally wasn't me guys!

Yeah ok. Now tell us, how is the ST-V Titan board different from the Saturn?

Reminder, we've already established:

1) The main chips are identical by comparing the motherboards.
2) The same amount of RAM is on both boards by comparing the motherboards.
3) Both systems can run games from cartridges.

So what's different?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:03:44 2020 No.6322859 >>6322842 I told you in the last thread I don't care about the ST-V. I just thought I'd stop by to clear up the confusion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:07:25 2020 No.6322862 >>6322859 >I just thought I'd stop by to clear up the confusion. Then why didn't the number of unique posters go up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:07:53 2020 No.6322864 >>6322862 It did. Check again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:09:47 2020 No.6322867 >>6322864 It was at 21 before you posted and it stayed at 21 after you posted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:10:37 2020 No.6322868 >>6322867 My first post ITT was the Goemon one, I figured attaching a real hardware N64 recording would convince you I'm the real deal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:13:51 2020 No.6322878 "The STV system is based on the Saturn Sega's home console with different control maps, and there were 2 versions, the Japanese one (most common) and the USA one, which wasnt very popular.", from system16 dot com.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:15:17 2020 No.6322882 >>6322868 It was at 21 before you posted that and was 21 after you posted that. >>6322878 Now see with this post we're up to 22 unique posters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:16:45 2020 No.6322886 File: 33 KB, 563x141, literally me.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6322882 >It was at 21 before you posted that and was 21 after you posted that. Do you not have 4chanx?

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:25:55 2020 No.6322898

>>6322842
I'm not 64fag, schizo.
>>6322846
Schizo explain in your opinion why you think Groove On Fight is a butchered port. What was that conspiracy you were raving about before like a lunatic?
>y-you're the 64fag guy, i just know it
You are full of wrong ideas kiddo. You probably attend flat earth conventions too right?
I'm not the 64fag guy, but by all means continue to humiliate yourself for everyone's entertainment. The desperation would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:31:09 2020 No.6322908

>>6322898
>Schizo explain in your opinion why you think Groove On Fight is a butchered port

We've been over this, going from a Cartridge to a CD. The ST-V game is on a cartridge where the data isn't restricted by CD Load times and having to to be loaded into RAM. Had the Saturn version been released on a cartridge it would have been identical.

Now, please explain what part of the hardware is different.

Reminder, we've already established:

1) The main chips are identical by comparing the motherboards.
2) The same amount of RAM is on both boards by comparing the motherboards.
3) Both systems can run games from cartridges.

So, what's different?

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 01:43:06 2020 No.6322930

>>6322908
>Had the Saturn version been released on a cartridge it would have been identical.
So why didn't they release it on a cartridge? They had the ability to release the full version for the arcade on a cartridge but not for the Saturn?
Also, you're retarded if you think
>The ST-V board and Saturn have of course some common points and parts, but conversion from the arcade board to the Saturn requires that some parts of the game have to be reprogrammed
Means
>removing the need to put in a coin, reworking the difficulty, adding an options menu, adding more things to keep players interest at home
As you stated here >>6322778
The quote is talking specifically about reprogramming in order to suit the difference in "parts" and not about reworking gameplay. You're being very dishonest.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 02:01:03 2020 No.6322952

>>6322930
>So why didn't they release it on a cartridge
Because it was more expensive than printing it on CDs and Sega didn't allow Saturn games to be released on cartridges after they realized it created a backdoor for piracy. This is touched on in this Tech Bulletin:

http://antime.kapsi.fi/sega/files/ST-TECH-46.pdf

Again we've been over this. The Saturn is perfectly capable from a hardware stand point of running games from cartridges. Early developer documents mention how it works and it's even stated that cartridges can be as big as 57MB, though what's in the memory map accounts for only 48MB.

See:
http://antime.kapsi.fi/sega/files/ST-097-R5-072694.pdf (Page 20)
http://antime.kapsi.fi/sega/files/ST-103-R1-040194.pdf (Also Page 20)

So I'd say 48MB is probably the safe bet on how big a Sega Saturn cartridge game could be without bankswitching. Grove on Fight's ST-V Rom is about 38MB last I checked. So it would definitely fit and be doable had Sega allowed developers the option of publishing games on cartridges.

>The quote is talking specifically about reprogramming in order to suit the difference in "parts" and not about reworking gameplay. You're being very dishonest.

No, you're being dishonest because that's only part of what I said. What I said was this:

>To which they're probably referring to going from Cartridge to CD, and dealing with the different BIOSes as well as the game being made to run in an arcade vs a home console.

The part you quoted was expanding on this part:
>as well as the game being made to run in an arcade vs a home console.

Now again, what part of the hardware is different? Give specifics. If all you have is "Muh cartridges!" then this argument is over as we've already established that this isn't a hardware limitation of the Saturn.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 02:13:10 2020 No.6322968

>>6322952
>what part of the hardware is different?
Lots of parts. You can see some of them in the pictures you linked. They have some main chips in common, but the hardware is different and so games had to be reprogrammed for the Saturn when porting from the Titan. If they had the same hardware, the games wouldn't have to be reprogrammed.
You can also ask emulation developers why Saturn emulators don't play ST-V games by default, there's extra programming that has to be done to be compatible.
>give specifics
>spoonfeed babby

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 02:31:03 2020 No.6322987

>>6322968
>Lots of parts. You can see some of them in the pictures you linked.

All I see is the same hardware in the Saturn with some additional components to deal with operating in a JAMMA Arcade cabinet.

> They have some main chips in common, but the hardware is different and so games had to be reprogrammed for the Saturn when porting from the Titan. If they had the same hardware, the games wouldn't have to be reprogrammed.

The reprogramming again as to do with going from cartridges to CDs, and the differences with the BIOS and Operating environment.

>You can also ask emulation developers why Saturn emulators don't play ST-V games by default, there's extra programming that has to be done to be compatible.

Again it has to do with the different BIOS that's expecting to be operating in a JAMMA Arcade Cabinet.

SSF Supports STV games as long as you have the BIOS.

>give specifics
>spoonfeed babby

You're the one stating something that goes against all documentation out there on the subject. So the burden of proof is on you not me. Really if it's so obvious I'm wrong and you have solid evidence to back it up, then this should be an easy win for you. There's no reason to not post such information.

So if you continue to stall and go in these circles I'm just going to assume you have no evidence and just don't want to own up to being wrong on the subject.

Also, here's an example of a Saturn booting a game from a Cartridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxqGywHEcJg

Seriously, what did you think your Action Replays and Pseudo Saturn Cartridges were doing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 02:39:19 2020 No.6323003 >>6319830 Ah, Japanese game covers. so much better than Western ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 03:36:52 2020 No.6323098 >tfw no future copgirl c*nny

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 04:39:13 2020 No.6323179

>>6322987
>still sperging and trying to defend inferior ports
So I take it you just gave up on how you were claiming I'm the 64 guy then. Lmao.
>the media doesn't count as being part of the console now! it was the difference between carts and cds that resulted in inferior ports so the saturn wasn't weaker than the st-v
Face it, any way you look at it the Saturn was a weaker, less powerful gaming experience than the ST-V arcade was. You keep talking about Sega not allowing Saturn games to be released on carts, but that doesn't change how the Saturn was a weaker experience than the ST-V, it just proves it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 05:41:04 2020 No.6323262 >>6322908 Friendly reminder: you are arguing with the "spoonfeed" narcissist here. Nothing that you say will penetrate his reality distortion field. Furthermore he will constantly project his own bullshit back at you. Just move on with life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 07:59:06 2020 No.6323426 >>6319830 Play Goketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzo Kuyou instead

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 08:15:30 2020 No.6323447 >>6323179 >64fag has multiple personality disorder >while being a massive retard anti-saturn people are genuinely brain damaged.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 08:21:58 2020 No.6323468

>>6319934
STV games come on carts which are like one huge memory cart. Animation can be streamed from the cart to the gfx chip for display directly. It's like playing with a 50 mbyte memory expansion.

CDs can't do that (too slow), so they have only as much animation that fits into RAM.

Groove on Fight uses the RAM cart on Saturn but even with that it's missing animation compared to the arcade original.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 10:22:43 2020 No.6323698

>>6323179
So you don't have any evidence to back up your arguments as expected.

>the media doesn't count as being part of the console now!

It doesn't when both systems have the exact same hardware and can use the exact same media.

>You keep talking about Sega not allowing Saturn games to be released on carts, but that doesn't change how the Saturn was a weaker experience than the ST-V, it just proves it.

No, it just proves that Atlus cheaped out and didn't want to go the more expensive route of making a ROM Cart + CD Combo like SNK did for KoF 95.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 10:35:07 2020 No.6323725 what are some fighting games with full frontal nudity bros i need coom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 10:38:49 2020 No.6323738 >>6323725 Literally Strip Fighter. The girls get temporarily naked during some of the supers and if you play on normal or higher you get a pinup of them schlicking their vovalgias.

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 10:52:18 2020 No.6323764
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>>6323738
>>6323725
PC98 has like shitloads of porn fighters like variable geo, queen of duelist, etc they run at 12 fps and I know this sounds like the biggest cope ever but the hard to master controls actually make them more rewarding. It's quite the rabbit hole to get into.
Metal and Lace/Ningyou Tsukai 1 and 2 used to be a staple download of weeb internet bbh forums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 10:54:55 2020 No.6323771 >>6323764 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6NEnjW1hxE

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:02:51 2020 No.6324107

>>6323698
>No, it just proves that Atlus cheaped out and didn't want to go the more expensive route of making a ROM Cart + CD Combo like SNK did for KoF 95.
BTFO yourself again!
Groove On Fight was a ROM cart + CD Combo you absolute retard.
Go ahead. Look it up. Do some googling, little zoomie. And see how wrong you are.
What's it like getting BTFO so much?

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:06:25 2020 No.6324119

>>6323698
>No, it just proves that Atlus cheaped out and didn't want to go the more expensive route of making a ROM Cart + CD Combo like SNK did for KoF 95.
You should discuss games you've actually played before showing your ass. What an embarassing display.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:16:48 2020 No.6324142 I coomed alot to this back in the day. But even now with a JP Saturn I haven't played it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:32:08 2020 No.6324183 >>6323764 Looking at that pic I suddenly remembered playing an all girl fighting game on the PS1 at my cousin's place ages ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:34:53 2020 No.6324192 >>6324119 what's wrong with that statement

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 13:46:08 2020 No.6324225 File: 336 KB, 1536x1536, 55872E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6324192 Take a wild guess, genius.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 14:14:02 2020 No.6324286 File: 21 KB, 700x700, nerd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6324107 >>6324225 Not that guy but that's a RAM cart and not a ROM cart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:33:37 2020 No.6324626 >>6324286 Yet you didn't reply to the guy who got BTFO and originally made the mistake of writing "ROM Cart" Really makes you think

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:34:22 2020 No.6324628 >>6324626 Unlike you I know better than to reply to someone like him, he's just gonna keep going in circles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:38:17 2020 No.6324637 >>6322715 Post more

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:46:49 2020 No.6324681 >>6324626 KOF95 and Ultraman legit had rom carts, the data on it wasn't rewritable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:49:29 2020 No.6324695 >>6324681 https://segaretro.org/Twin_Advanced_ROM_System

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 16:50:42 2020 No.6324701 >>6324695 Likely because the RAM expansion cart wasn't complete yet So like, clearly the result of rushing the system at E3 95

Anonymous Wed Apr 8 17:13:23 2020 No.6324783

>>6324107
Groove on Fight uses a 1 MB RAM cart. King of Fighters 95 uses a ROM cart that holds game data that can only work with King of Fighters 95.

>>6324119
I've not only played it I own it.

>>6324225
That's a 1MB RAM cart, not a ROM cart.

>>6324626
It wasn't a mistake. KoF95 uses a ROM cartridge, not a RAM cartridge.

>>6324701
No, it was just another option available to developers. The RAM cartridge was just a cheaper option for consumers and publishers. The Twin ROM system was more expensive for both because you needed a CD and a specific ROM cartridge for that specific game, which is more expensive to make.

The Twin ROM system came about simply because Sega forbid developers from releasing games on Cartridge only and it was a way to work around it. Later RAM cartridges were introduced as a cheaper middle ground.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 8 17:18:37 2020 No.6324804 File: 80 KB, 700x432, KoF95+96Pack.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6324626 If KoF 95 used the 1MB RAM cartridge, then why did the KoF 95+96 double pack need to include 2 different cartridges?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 03:50:15 2020 No.6326128 So this game came with a cart after all? What happened to that one guy claiming it didn't have a cart and that was the reason the game wasn't arcade perfect?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 10:10:04 2020 No.6326608 >>6326128 >Thinking the 1MB RAM cartridge is the same as releasing the entire game on a ROM Cartridge or on a ROM Cart + CD-ROM combo like KoF 95. Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 12:42:22 2020 No.6326896 >>6326608 So he got embarrassed and had to leave the thread? He was saying they didn’t include a cart because of piracy, but they clearly could have included whatever cart they needed if KoF did it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 17:02:10 2020 No.6327414

>>6326896
> He was saying they didn’t include a cart because of piracy

No I didn't say that, you're now trying conflate two different things.

I said they didn't release the ENTIRE GAME on a ROM Cartridge with no CD because Sega didn't allow publishers to do that. Doing that opens a back door for Piracy (The very same one your Pseudo Saturn cart exploits). It's why in the Tech Bulletin describing the Twin ROM System (What KoF 95 uses) states that having any kind of executed program code on the Cartridge is forbidden, it's for data only.

> but they clearly could have included whatever cart they needed if KoF did it.

Yes they could have but they didn't because Atlus cheaped out and went for the 1MB RAM cartridge instead. That route was cheaper to produce and sell versus going the CD + ROM Cart route that KoF 95 did. I said this exact thing here >>6323698

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 18:12:12 2020 No.6327570 >>6327414 Any source that Atlus could have made it work with a CD + ROM cart, or that going for the 1MB RAM cart was a budget decision? This seems like an idea you're just pulling out of your ass.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 18:41:53 2020 No.6327636

>>6327570
ROM Carts in general cost more than a RAM cart. That's why most developers stopped using the ROM cart + CD Set up after the RAM carts came out, they were cheaper and if they solved the same problem it was a win/win for developers and consumers. Clearly though the 1MB cartridge wasn't enough for Groove on Fight.

Since the Rom Cart + CD combo was an option for Atlus and they didn't take it, tells me it was a budget decision, not a technical one. After all the hardware on both boards is identical, and both systems can read cartridges big enough to store the entire Arcade ROM if they had to.

So Atlus had these options for Groove on Fight:

1) Cartridge Only Release - Sega didn't allow this and it would be really expensive.
2) ROM Cartridge + CD - Sega allowed this, but it was expensive for both consumers and publishers as all copies had to include the cartridge.
3) RAM Cartridge + CD - Sega allowed this, and while a tad more expensive than just a CD, allowed for a better conversion than without it, and it could save money for consumers and publishers as not every copy had to include the RAM cartridge (Some owners might already have it from another game). You could print more copies without the cartridge that sell cheaper than the cartridge version saving money for both consumers and publishers.
4) CD Only - Cheapest option, but would have required more sacrifices to be made than the RAM + CD option.

Atlus clearly felt the RAM + CD Option was the better idea from a cost perspective.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 18:49:29 2020 No.6327657

>>6327636
I understand your speculation, but do you have any proof?
Cutting down the graphics would take time and money to have the programmers and artists do this.
>the hardware on both boards is identical
Why do the motherboards look very different, other than some of the main chips being the same models? This seems like a dishonest thing to say, clearly the hardware on the boards is not literally "identical" as you can see in pictures.
Again, any proof about your speculation?
>tells me
Yes, but something also "told you" I was 64fag and that was false, so your intuition so far has proved to be completely wrong. Why should anyone take what you have to say seriously? You just post your thoughts without any sources or anything.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 19:29:35 2020 No.6327727
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>>6327657
There is this article talking about KoF95 where it mentions Capcom looking into doing the same with Darkstalkers 2 and X-Men CotA but decided against it because of the added cost. If Capcom cheaped out, you can bet Atlus being a smaller company would have made the same decision.

>Why do the motherboards look very different, other than some of the main chips being the same models?

The same reason the Mega-Play Board looks different from the Mega Drive. One of them needs needs additional circuitry to interface with a JAMMA arcade cabinet. When you look at the parts not related to that, the boards actually look very similar to each other. The chips are even placed in almost the same layout. Again we've been over this.

>Again, any proof about your speculation?
The mother boards have the exact same CPUs and chips, as well as the same amount of RAM. When you take a way the hardware involved with interfacing with a JAMMA arcade cabinet what remains is the same.

>Yes, but something also "told you" I was 64fag and that was false

For the record, I never said that was you.

>Why should anyone take what you have to say seriously?

Why should anyone take anything you've posted seriously. You've done nothing but shit post with no evidence to back up your claims short of one very vague quote from Yu Suzuki in 1994 talking about non-final hardware. I've provided developer documents, evidence of an actual Saturn running games off a cartridge, comparisons to the actual motherboards pointing out which chips are what, etc.

You've posted no evidence for any of your wild claims. So why don't we settle this then? Do you have solid evidence that the hardware is different? Post it. You think it has a faster CPU? How much faster is it? You think it has more RAM? How much more RAM. Give specifics. I've given you more than enough evidence for my claims. It's about time you shit or get off the pot.

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:27:45 2020 No.6327807

>>6327727
I was wondering if you had a source for your claim about the topic at hand, not a completely different game. You could have just said no, you don't have any proof about your Atlus speculation.
If you do find any, feel free to come back and post it.
>When you take a way the hardware involved with interfacing with a JAMMA arcade cabinet what remains is the same.
That's strange, because there is a difference in circuitry clearly visible all over the board, even in places nowhere near the JAMMA connection.
I quoted the Suzuki saying the Saturn isn't as powerful. You're claiming he was talking about non-final hardware, do you have any proof of this wild assertion either? Of course not, you just talk out your ass.
I post quotes from the actual engineer behind the hardware, and yet I'm the one who needs more evidence? That's enough kiddo, talking to you is like discussing politics with a delusional grandmother on Facebook. A site which you should go back to, where people will actually believe your unsourced baloney.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:40:19 2020 No.6327845 >>6319880 Post ruined the thread and created immense butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 20:51:16 2020 No.6327860 >>6323725 (同人ゲーム) [160408] [StudioS] ストリップファイター5

Anonymous Thu Apr 9 23:13:50 2020 No.6328078

>>6327807
>I was wondering if you had a source for your claim about the topic at hand, not a completely different game.

Only Atlus could answer that question. I did however provide evidence that cost was definitely a factor for developers in deciding whether to go the ROM Cart + CD Route or not. Capcom decided not to go with ROM Carts + CDs due to cost, but they had no problem going with RAM carts. That should be enough to tell you that RAM carts were a cheaper option.

That said, this is all just nitpicking as you've run out of arguments.

>That's strange, because there is a difference in circuitry clearly visible all over the board, even in places nowhere near the JAMMA connection.

You can just look at the manual to see what those different connectors and circuitry are for:

http://www.system16.com/files/manuals/stv_manual.pdf

They're (surprise) for hooking up additional controller inputs, audio outputs, etc. in the arcade cabinet. Basically they're there if you need more things than the JAMMA connector supports. Like more than 2 player inputs, or more than 3 buttons per player, light guns, etc.

> You're claiming he was talking about non-final hardware, do you have any proof of this wild assertion either?

I think the fact that we can look at the mother boards and see they have the same hardware proves those quotes of his wrong.

>I post quotes from the actual engineer behind the hardware.

You quoted Yu Suzuki, he designed the Model 1 and 2 hardware, not the Saturn. The Saturn and ST-V hardware was designed by Hideki Sato. Sato even mentions that Suzuki wasn't involved and that he wasn't able to even ask him for help as Suzuki was too busy making arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 9 23:25:46 2020 No.6328101 Is the 64 autist still at it? How pathetic to be obsessed like this.

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 00:30:30 2020 No.6328228
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>>6327807
>>6328078
Just to drive this home further, here's a comparison of the two boards.

As you can see, the bulk of the hardware is the same, in fact it's even laid out in a similar fashion.

So what's all that stuff down in the lower right corner on the ST-V Board? That's circuitry and connectors to allow for additional controller inputs beyond what the JAMMA connector provides. The JAMMA connector only allows for 2 joysticks and 6 input buttons. So for 2 players that's 1 Joystick + 3 Buttons each. But what if you want 1 Joystick + 6 Buttons each for 2 players? 4 Players? What about Light Guns? Well that's what these expansion connectors are for.

What about the white Connector in the Middle? That's to hook up an optional Video Board if you need to hook up to a Non-JAMMA video monitor.

What about the White Connectors near the Cartridge Port? That's to hook up the optional CD-ROM board.

What about the Connectors near the lower left corner of the board? That's for hooking up additional audio outputs beyond what the JAMMA connector gives you.

So as you can see, yes the ST-V Titan board is just Sega Saturn hardware with the necessary hookups to operate in an Arcade Cabinet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 04:32:24 2020 No.6328564 >>6323764 I have a hard time enjoyinh those for the gameplay, except for Ningyou Tsukai 2 which is a huge step up from the first. There's also the Variable Geo game with chibi characters, VG Max,that was surprisingly smooth and enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 12:16:40 2020 No.6329437 >>6319880 soi low test post

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 22:49:52 2020 No.6330658 >>6328228 Cut to the chase, aspie. Is the Saturn version arcade perfect or should I play the arcade ROM? No one cares about the technical explanations and coping mechanisms, just: is the Saturn really arcade perfect or not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 22:50:36 2020 No.6330661 >>6330658 it's better than the arcade version

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 22:52:48 2020 No.6330663 I want this in my import collection but it's bloody expensive. Looks good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 22:54:18 2020 No.6330664 >>6322120 what about that post made you think it's a nintendo fan? If anything, Sony fans might be the ones against fanservice nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:32:53 2020 No.6330756 >>6330658 Play the arcade ROM. It's better and has the full gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:59:16 2020 No.6330812 >>6330658 That was already answered in the first reply: >>6319867 Arcade has more frames of animation, Saturn has more playable characters, 4 player support, and more content. So take your pick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 01:23:10 2020 No.6330969 >>6330812 But the arcade has the nudity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 01:34:31 2020 No.6330989 >>6319880 >telling coomers to stop cooming they are enslaved.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:26:48 2020 No.6331112 File: 40 KB, 419x480, d7013e6d40e58a711f6c025424c207fc1f6f4a84v2_hq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6319880 It'a a good game, so are Arcana Heat 3, DOA2, and Sengoku Rance. The issue is that you're a faggot with shit taste

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:26:02 2020 No.6331776 >>6330989 Play the game and say you're didn't enjoyed it, idiot memebrain

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:27:36 2020 No.6331780 >>6331112 Maybe he has some taste, but he picked that NPC opinion "fanservice always bad"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 12:52:22 2020 No.6331921 >>6319880 That's just how art was like in the 90's. And it was as things should be. It is right and it is good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 08:48:07 2020 No.6333827 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 01:40:43 2020 No.6335832 bump

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 13:51:57 2020 No.6337214

>>6330661
Comparing the two versions, it looks like much worse graphics as a tradeoff for gimmicky extras. I'm definitely going to play the arcade version which has much smoother animations, the crappy Saturn version is a real eye sore due to the Saturn hardware/not using the right kind of cart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:39:24 2020 No.6337335 >>6319830 >No good doujins Sad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:47:23 2020 No.6337357 >>6327727 >Arcade Puuurfect With long ass loading times on a 1XSpeed CD Drive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 14:50:49 2020 No.6337369 >>6331780 >i call everythig i hate NPCs or coomers this >>>/v/ xtian shit needs to go. NPCs can't play games like us 3D people and i will cum all over your waifus whenever i feel like it!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:54:22 2020 No.6337719 >>6337369 learn to read, they were different people with different opinions

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 19:01:19 2020 No.6338013

>>6337214
> the crappy Saturn version is a real eye sore due to the Saturn hardware/not using the right kind of cart.

The Saturn hardware is the same hardware as the ST-V Arcade board. The only difference here is the storage format. Which both systems are capable of using the same formats.

>>6337357
The Saturn has a 2X Speed CD-ROM Drive. Throw in the RAM Carts and ROM Carts and load times pretty much go out the window:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sx4BkwzxKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8JXUqOsXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzhTDTDBG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xro4Q-FuxFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLYcji7Gic

With those 4MB RAM cart games you're looking at only a one load in the beginning and then they never load again. The others we're looking at maybe a 5-7 second load time at most.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:24:02 2020 No.6338145 >>6327727 Lol this board is so gay I wondered how tf a power instinct thread was up to 150+ posts and, yep, its because it's turned into a spergfight

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:52:42 2020 No.6338218
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gotta love the artstyle difference in groove on fight compared to power instinct
imo its like the 3s or garou of the series

here's early in-game art for advertising. seems they were allowed to use the underboob in magazines anyways

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:54:02 2020 No.6338223 >>6338145 It started as a sperg fight because the OP was mad the thread he started this in got deleted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 05:24:09 2020 No.6339148 >>6338013 >add extra hardware and load times pretty much go out the window >pretty much Cope.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 07:04:07 2020 No.6339318

>>6319880
>>6338218
I like cute girls and fanservicey costumes, but knowing this art was drawn by a creepy virgin incel dude who probably fapped to his own art is pretty fucking disgusting. I hate female fujos for the same reason too. Looking at porn and coomer art is like tasting sloppy seconds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:21:11 2020 No.6339442 File: 508 KB, 1024x1448, 09[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6339318 >not recognizing Range Murata https://e-hentai.org/tag/artist:murata+range

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 08:27:00 2020 No.6339456 >>6338223 64 fans are just that pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:43:54 2020 No.6339621 File: 66 KB, 600x800, range-murata-visual-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6339442 He looks like he eats tendies for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Also, evidently a pedophile.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 09:45:49 2020 No.6339629

>>6339148
ROM Carts aren't additional hardware, they're just additional data on a different storage format.

As for the RAM carts, the load times do go away for the 4MB RAM cart games. It's only the 1MB RAM cart games that still have some load times. Again though, this is only 5-7 seconds tops, which is pretty much on par with some of your modern systems. Just go compare load times for Street Fighter V on PS4 and PC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 14:29:32 2020 No.6340326 File: 208 KB, 900x1200, 1559874419938.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6339621 >Also, evidently a pedophile. Well duh

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 21:46:20 2020 No.6341437 >>6340326 The image itself isn't gross but it's fucking gross how an ugly fat pedophile drew that little girl. That drawing is fucking tainted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 21:50:11 2020 No.6341440 >>6319880 Most important post in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:00:24 2020 No.6341597 >>6339629 >different storage format >not hardware So physical plastic carts are software?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:09:57 2020 No.6341621 >>6338013 >sore losers own a crappy console.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:10:54 2020 No.6341624 >>6341437 Imagine virtua signalling in an ancient rug collecting forum out of all places on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:23:02 2020 No.6341659 >>6341597 When it only contains ROM yes. >>6341621 How does having the best ports for the time of most 2D Arcade games of the era make it a crappy console?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 23:30:33 2020 No.6341673 >>6341624 >virtue signaling Not even that. Cute girls who fantasize about lolis are hot. Fat ugly perverted tendie fucks who fantasize lolis are absolutely disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 00:10:04 2020 No.6341747 >>6339621 seems pretty based to me

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 00:37:41 2020 No.6341792 >>6339621 He teaches character design in some tokyo college apparently. >ywn be taught how to draw qt lolis, comfy clothes and cool machines from the master himself Why live?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 15 04:55:52 2020 No.6342163 >>6341437 >The image itself isn't gross You should see his more hardcore lolicon stuff then

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