/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6309654]

Why did they give SNES owners this this bizarre 1980s cereal box mascot when the original Super Famicom art and the game itself were both clearly done in anime style?

[Anonymous No.6309661]

>>6309654
Why make a thread if you're going to answer your own question?

[Anonymous No.6309668]

>>6309654
>¡el manual en español!
already the dark times were coming

[Anonymous No.6309694]

>>6309654
Anime was not a household thing. The web market was not as reliable as it is today.

You're lucky that game didn't get facelifted into taking place in New York City, with the girl wearing sneakers and having a pet dog as player 2.

[Anonymous No.6309736]

>>6309654
It's still good, way better than awful Vic Tokai cover arts, let alone the MegaMutt USA got back in 1987.

[Anonymous No.6309749]

a lot of westshit art is quite nice, OP included

[Anonymous No.6309775]

>>6309654
There was barely anything Japanese on U.S. televisions save for Godzilla films. Still that way for the most part.

If kids saw anything animated in Japan back then it was fully westernized like Transformers or Robotech with no hint of Japanese culture.

This full-Japanese game never had a chance back then. Especially in marketing.

[Anonymous No.6309805]

>>6309775
I still don't get what the hang up was. Its just cartoons, kids like cartoons, right?

[Anonymous No.6309808]

>>6309654
They didnt have faith that anime would appeal worldwide back then.

[Anonymous No.6309814]

>>6309805
No you dumbass blind weeaboo

[Anonymous No.6309815]

>>6309775
The funny thing is that the Western version of game itself is still full-on Japanese. Pocky (aka Sayo) has sneakers and lesbian pants in the box art but full Miko attire in the game. She even holds a shide stick on the start screen.

[Anonymous No.6309834]

>>6309815
>The funny thing is that the Western version of game itself is still full-on Japanese.
Hey, by the time you stuck the game into your SNES, it was far too late. You either already bought it or rented it.

[Anonymous No.6309938]

>>6309834
God, I wish I'd bought it back when prices were still sane.

I actually borrowed this game from a friend in the mid 2000s. I beat it and thought "well, that was good" and then gave the game back to him. I distinctly remember having two opportunities to buy this game. First was the GBA version, which was on sale at EB Games for $19.99 in 2007 or 2008. I also saw a SNES copy on sale at a retro video game store for $40 in 2009. In both cases I thought "well, I already beat the game, I don't really want to spend money buying it when it's just going to sit on a shelf". Never in ten thousand years would I have thought pic related was going to happen. And I regret my teenage cheapness now that it's 2020, we have a pandemic, and I'm stuck inside with a hankering to play old video games.

[Anonymous No.6309961]

>>6309938
I remember getting into emulators in 2003 and playing all the top SNES RPGs within that year and then making a list of the ones I wanted to buy. Went on eBay and most of them were in the 15-40$ CANADIAN range but Earthbound was like 110$ and 140$ complete in box with scratch n sniff in tact. I thought fuck that that's gotta come down in price. Well it didn't.

On the plus side I got Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel for 10$, Breath of fire 1 for 10$ and 2 for 15$. FF2 and FF3 US for 8$ each. Secret of Mana complete in box with guide for 99$. So I can't complain really.

[Anonymous No.6309972]

>>6309938
Gosh wish Nintendo add this and other more for the SNES/SFC mini console.

[Anonymous No.6309983]

>>6309694
>>6309815
thank god, this game has some stellar and unique graphics

[Anonymous No.6309986]

>>6309654
America likes terrible box art.

[Anonymous No.6309987]

>>6309938
>I'm stuck inside with a hankering to play old video games.
what is emulation and ps2-to-usb adaptors?

[Anonymous No.6310000]

>>6309805
before the pokemon & dragon ball z & toonami thing took off, in my town anime was treated like adult videos, at the local vhs rental places anime was kept in the back 18+ only room were the porn and cage fighting tapes were, it wasn’t hentai either, just regular anime

[Anonymous No.6310047]

>>6310000
I remember seeing a commercial for Akira VHS and it really played up the "this ain't for kids" angle so hard that to the point you would think it was porn.

[Anonymous No.6310136]

The first game is fucking amazing but Pocky & Rocky 2 was fucking trash man
don't even get me started on the GBA game

[Anonymous No.6310173]

>>6310136
P&R2 nearly as good as the first, but it wasn't trash
And the GBA one is a remake of the original KiKiKaiKai, which plays pretty differently than it's sequels

[Anonymous No.6310226]

>>6310047
Doesn't Akira have a rape scene in it? I haven't watched it for a while.

[Anonymous No.6310261]

>>6309961
There was a copy of Earthbound at that same vidya store for $90 CAD. Loose cart with some scuffs on the label. I thought "that's fucking outrageous for a SNES game", and my brother had the Wii virtual consol; "any day now until Earthbound is released on that". Well years later, the Wii is gone, Earthbound never came to the virtual console, and the SNES cart is at least twice as much if you're fucking lucky. It doesn't help our currency is crashing with every passing day.

Good deals otherwise on your part. Secret of Mana is pretty good at $99 complete, it's definitely gone up but not by a crazy amount. I managed to get FF3, Kirby Super Star, F-Zero and Super Metroid for $5 at Goodwill in the early 2010s, and that same vidya store that had EB and Pocky & Rocky also had Chrono Trigger for $40, which I picked up and I'm glad I did. My mom also had the foresight to keep the boxes and manuals for Super Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country and Yoshi's Island from when I was a kid. I discovered them in my VHS drawer a few years ago, all in pristine condition. They're all totally common games but my local retro game store was selling the complete versions for $110-$130 each.

>>6309987
Emulators aren't the same. I have a SNES emulator on my PSP and I also a setup that uses a CRT computer monitor, but it really is not the same warm feeling as having on a good consumer CRT.

>>6310136
>>6310173
I thought the GBA game was just a straight SNES port. Huh. Learn something every day I guess.

[Batowl No.6310358]

>>6309654
I dunno that racoon looks cute.

[Anonymous No.6310395]

>>6309668
Super Nintendo was super popular in Mexico and South America back then, and we got the US stuff, so it makes sense. Also we got into anime and japanese stuff before the USA, so it makes sense they thought this game would be more popular in spanish-speaking countries.

[Anonymous No.6310840]

>>6309814
Based otaku

[Anonymous No.6310862]

>>6309749
That Goemon cover looks bad. Technically it is definitely well executed, but come on, just look at Goemon.

[Anonymous No.6310865]

>>6309938
I happened into a prototype cart of it for under $10 about a year and a half ago.

[Anonymous No.6310942]

>>6310000
>>6310047

[Anonymous No.6311434]

>>6310942
TG-CD, Mega CD, and CD-i

[Anonymous No.6311508]

>>6310942
To be fair, in those days anime was still for a niche core audience, not massive.
Pretty based though.

[Anonymous No.6311512]

>>6309986
>SNES port one day

[Anonymous No.6311514]

>>6309668
>dark times were coming
One board. All I want is one board that isn't infested with nazi trash. Is that too much to ask for?

Fuck off, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6311515]

>>6309814
>>6311508
>video games character

[Anonymous No.6311520]

>>6311512
>this autist is still around
console wars eliminated your brain

[Anonymous No.6311927]

>>6310173
honest question: have you beat P&R2 (especially co-operatively?)
After beating P&R1 and loving every second of it, playing P&R2 felt like a major blow in the balls.

[Anonymous No.6311958]

>>6311508
Oh yeah, I'm just chuckling because of the "IT'S JAPANIMATION IT AIN'T THAT KIDDY CRAP IT'S FOR MATURE VIEWERS" marketing being sort of "oh was that thing?" from how we've come from it.

Heck, the "all anime is adult videos" thing in video stores wasn't helped by the very early market treating tentacle porn as normal as any other anime release so for a small while you had a blurry line where it was all the same.

This ad ran in Animerica Magazine.

[Anonymous No.6311961]

>>6311958
And here's Viz struggling to figure out how to market Ranma 1/2 so they decided it was the genre of "SEX COMEDY"

[Anonymous No.6311980]

>>6310942
Japanimation is so much better than anime

[Anonymous No.6312217]

>>6311961
>martial arts sex comedy
kek
great stuff anon, saving those ads

[Anonymous No.6312242]

>>6311961
>Ranma
>SEX COMEDY

Come the fuck on. Lmao

[Anonymous No.6312295]

>>6309749
The tiger (and only the tiger) looks like modern digital art. Clearly ahead of its time.

[Anonymous No.6312298]

>>6311961
heh

[Anonymous No.6313884]

>>6311958
Lmao this is too fucking weird.

[Anonymous No.6313916]

>>6311961
>thirty five fucking dollars for TWO episodes
and millennial complain about having to buy a subscription to crunchyroll if they want to support official releases

[Anonymous No.6314041]

>>6311958
It isn't just that. They were bringing over a ton of stuff that was niche even in Japan at the time. Really bizarre.

Urotsukidoji is legitimately one of the greatest anime sagas ever made, though. It isn't "just porn". It has tons of action and the production values are really high.

[Anonymous No.6314283]

>>6312242
Sex charge though (curse) magic water.

[Anonymous No.6314290]

>>6311980
Same thing

[Anonymous No.6314302]

>>6311520
>t. purist autism

None of your business.

[Anonymous No.6314708]

>>6309815
>lesbian pants
someone needs to get laid, jeez.

[Anonymous No.6314801]

>>6309654
Westernization.

[Anonymous No.6314805]

>>6311514
>everyone who is a nationalist is a WHITE nationalist
One board. All I want is one board that isn't infested with whiny left 'tard trash. Is that too much to ask for?
(muh ultra faggy Redd!t spacing)
Fuck off, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6314950]

>>6309654
>>6309749
I get the feeling stuff like this is just overcompensation for how incredibly Japanese-y the games themselves are. It's like they're trying extra hard to hide all the yokai and kabukis and shit behind an ultra-western art style.

[Anonymous No.6314962]

I found my uncle's fabled porn stash

[Anonymous No.6314967]

>>6309654
how does one hook up with a miko girl

[Anonymous No.6314983]

>>6310226
No, just a titty

[Anonymous No.6314987]

>>6312242
Most of the jokes are sex jokes though, the description is pretty apt

[Anonymous No.6315046]

Airbrush cartoon art >>>> anime

[Anonymous No.6315054]

>>6311961
Here's the box art for the NA release of Ranma 1/2 Hard Battle.

[Anonymous No.6315150]

>>6310226
Attempted rape, it never goes all the way.

[Anonymous No.6315154]

>>6311958
Urotsukidoji is a real classic dude.
Reading videogame magazines in the 90's exposed me to so much anime titties.

[Anonymous No.6315156]

>>6309749
this cover is amazing, i dont care what you think

[Anonymous No.6315182]

>>6311958
Man this takes me back to when anime was this cool and exciting thing full of thrilling edgelord content and not "oh fuck not more weebshit".

>>6314041
>It has tons of action and the production values are really high.
I can't get over the fact that in Japan, drawing hundreds or thousands of images of demonic tentacles going into high school girls' assholes is an actual job that you apparently go into an office and do, with whole teams planning it out and story boarding it and voicing it and such, and not something mentally ill people do anonymously on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6315209]

Here's a typical ad in a French magazine back then:
- shop so broke they couldn't afford a color page
- that Urotsukidoji spelling ("well, good enough!")
- sneaky Urushihara boobs to catch your eyes

It was a different time.

[Anonymous No.6315226]

>>6311961
Have anime studios figured out that they could probably substantially increase sales by pandering less to otaku and reducing the price of their media?

[Anonymous No.6315272]

>>6315226
- Anime studios don't chose their business model, it's the job of production companies and publishers.
- Complaining about them "pandering to otaku" is fucking stupid, it's like complaining about game publishers pandering to gamers.

[Anonymous No.6315297]

>>6315272
>armchair analyst thinks anime market = automatic otaku material
>doesn't realize there used to be a huge market for anime with "normal" people

It's more like complaining that game publishers pander to US Marine wannabes or those predisposed to addiction, both of whom can be gamers.

[Anonymous No.6315317]

>>6315297
>doesn't realize there used to be a huge market for anime with "normal" people
There has never been as many anime shows as nowadays. There's anime for kids, otaku, female otaku, normalfags, artnerds,... You just have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6315357]

>>6315317
Anime is much more homogenized now

[Anonymous No.6315912]

>>6315046
Gay tastes

[Anonymous No.6316112]

>>6315209
There is a magazine you can look for online, a UK video game magazine about the Super Nintendo that was also BIG on anime... in 1992 when that was a really unheard of market. But they loved their Japan so they were big on talking about manga and anime (alongside soccer)

[Anonymous No.6316123]

>>6316112
Latin Americans and other European got into anime before Anglo did.

[Anonymous No.6316149]

>>6316112

have all of super play been scanned?

[Anonymous No.6316346]

>>6310395
>Super Nintendo was super popular in Mexico and South America back then
No it wasn't. Most countries south of the border could only afford sega master system.

[Anonymous No.6316357]

>>6316346
>no it wasn’t.
>affordable
Don’t lie.

[Anonymous No.6317329]

>>6315209
>>6316112
>>6311961
>>6311958
>>6310942
>>6311508
Woah, so many beauties in anime new.

[Anonymous No.6317378]

>>6311508
When was this listing? This is the shit version with the incomplete credits sequence why would anyone want it?

[Anonymous No.6317380]

>>6311514
You should leave like beanbags should leave my country.

[Anonymous No.6317450]

>>6316112
Yeah, that was my favorite games mag of all.

[Anonymous No.6318125]

>>6311512
Same here bro

[Anonymous No.6318138]

>>6309654
This was the blessed era before weebs

[Anonymous No.6318173]

>>6316346
desu, nintendo shit was more affordable back then.
at least in hueland.

[Anonymous No.6318273]

>>6310942
>>6311508
I still have my UY2 Beautiful Dreamer laserdisc I bought new in my teens during the 90s (along with a new Pioneer CLD-606 player). Fond memories of seeing that crazy U.S. Manga Corps MD Geist "Spokesmecha" logo when spinning it.

First UY I ever saw. This stuff did feel special back then.

[Anonymous No.6318295]

>>6311514
>wanting a country for your own people is nazism now
:^)

[Anonymous No.6318537]

>>6318273
jelly, I only have the dvd
>This stuff did feel special back then.
still is!

[Anonymous No.6318543]

my brother used to import those blue VHS tapes
good times

[Anonymous No.6319062]

>>6311514
6 GORILLION other websites and you chose to come here.

[Anonymous No.6320512]

I still remember the days Evangelion still felt like a "secret club".

[Anonymous No.6321142]

>>6320512
Play N64 and Saturn games of it

[Anonymous No.6321145]

>>6321142
Already do

[Anonymous No.6321405]

>>6310942
>Annie May

[Anonymous No.6321416]

>>6314041
>It isn't just that. They were bringing over a ton of stuff that was niche even in Japan at the time. Really bizarre.

Is this why anime sucks these days? Is it that we aren't selecting for the best and most niche?

[Anonymous No.6321419]

>>6321416
Anime is pretty great these days.

[Anonymous No.6321436]

>>6321419
"Cute girls doing cute things" is shit. Damn, I hate heterofaggots so much.

[Anonymous No.6321457]

>>6321436
then watch a show for gays like jojo's.

[Anonymous No.6321943]

>>6320512
In my universe, Evangelion ended with the release of this mammoth laserdisc movies box.

[Anonymous No.6321948]

>>6321943
You'd be not entirely wrong.
For me, it was the Second Impact Box sets.

[Anonymous No.6321960]

>>6320512
It really was. The kind of underground stuff you would read about in the back of Gamefan next to ads full of import Saturn games.

[Anonymous No.6321965]

>>6321960
>rei vs asuka waifu wars was already a thing in magazines
good to see they were men of culture though

[Anonymous No.6321971]

>>6321960
I still have that VHS. The quality in those ADV tapes was pretty good. I think they looked even better than the first edition DVDs they did.

[Anonymous No.6323963]

Because that classic hanna-barbera illustraton style was as soulful and charming as anime back in the day.

[Anonymous No.6324176]

>>6309654
Because you're gay, and they made it this way to induce you to suicide.

>>6309736
t. Low-T

[Anonymous No.6324179]

>>6309749
I love how the horseracing is on the cover, despite that being in the Top 5 most banned genres in the West.

[Anonymous No.6325867]

>>6324176
Right back at you low life twat.

[Anonymous No.6325868]

>>6321145
I hate those Mario 64 overuse soundfont.

[Anonymous No.6325871]

>>6309654
this empty box is going for 50 of my local shekels already with 2 days left on auction. emulatards BTFO for once and for all

[Anonymous No.6326168]

>>6325868
On the contrary, I love it.

[Anonymous No.6326923]

>>6315054
>american games looked cool on the cover, but shitty in-game
>japanese games looked shitty on the cover, but cool in-game
really makes me think...

[Anonymous No.6327003]

>>6326923
>japanese games looked shitty on the cover...
When americans were hired to redraw them

[Anonymous No.6327026]

>>6309986
I like the googie-ass space-age version.

[Anonymous No.6327034]

>>6325868
I just find it goofy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7T1SVnXYsk

[Anonymous No.6327041]

>>6323963
This. 80s-90s was filled to the brim with this, and only underage (and perhaps also maybe the third-world of microcomputers) don't pick up on this context.

[Anonymous No.6327452]

>>6327034
I think it has a lot of charm. I also like the versions of Tamashii no rufuran and Zankoku na tenshi no teeze.
Angel Attack also sounds great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4saMAYCF8Y
I love hearing these video game renditions of classic OST tracks.

[Anonymous No.6327458]

>>6327452
It sounds great when it doesn't sound painfully like Mario 64.
Unlike here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXfpq7q67IA

[Anonymous No.6327464]

>>6327458
But I like it.
I think you just hate it because it reminds you of SM64, but that flute synth isn't exclusive to Mario 64, anyway. It's just an instrument. As I said, it sounds charming. I love it.

[Anonymous No.6327486]

>>6327464
I >>6327034 don't hate it. It's just an oddity in the soundfont choice for an odd N64 game (arcadey gameplay. there's a training range that is nothing like the actual game save maybe two missions, there's a model viewer on a N64 game [the models themselves are alright, it's just unexpected], you have to beat the game three times to get the good ending, etc)
Looking at the soundfont it's actually pretty far away from Mario 64 save the flute synth, strings, and trumpet.
Knowing how horrendous SM64's soundfont can sound when applied to MIDI it works well with Evangelion's soundtrack.
The only problem I'd have with it is that it would take me out of the experience, but when I played through it the only real offenders were the main theme and the credits, both of which aren't really gameplay-focused. And it isn't really offensive, just funny to picture the horror of EoE and the psychological themes of NGE applied to Super Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.6327513]

>>6327486
Well, when you say
>just funny to picture the horror of EoE and the psychological themes of NGE applied to Super Mario 64.
Reminds me of when I first got the EoE OST CD back in the late 90s, I still couldn't get a hold of the movie myself, since it was only a thing fansubbers had, not edited officially anywhere until like 2002 or so, so the only ways to experience EoE for me was reading spoilers on magazines, and experiencing the OST (and peeping at the tiny pictures of the movie on the CD booklet).
I loved the soundtrack, but Komm, susser tod was an odd one. I hated it at first. Thanatos' R&B style was also weird, but at least it had a familiar melody, from the original Thanatos theme used on the series. Komm, susser tod was completely different to everything else in the series, it DID sound goofy as fuck to me. Probably also helped that I'm ESL so I didn't know what the lyrics were saying, but still, I just couldn't imagine what kind of scene from the movie it'd serve. Of course, once I finally could get a hold of a fansub VHS some months later, I understood, and the song clicked, and I started loving it, but before actually seeing the movie, Komm sounded pretty silly, and I'd skip it from the CD.
So, with that in mind, I don't care about how funny it is to think about the horror of Third Impact with SM64 sounds, because I already experienced something similar with the original. If anything, it makes it even more interesting to me now. I think it sounds weird, but yeah when you think about the SM64's save file screen music, it's goofy. Still lovely.

[Anonymous No.6327560]

>>6325867
>proving my point
lol faggot

[Anonymous No.6328105]

>>6310942
>Created for the intelligent and discriminating grown-up, these programs are not your mindless Saturday morning cartoons for children - they're well-plotted, with distinctive characters, engrossing drama, and fantastic imagery

You can clearly tell this was a product of its time, only specific for this time period.

[Anonymous No.6328117]

>>6315054
What the fuck is this cover? Is this a bootleg or some shit?

[Anonymous No.6328123]

>>6315272
I guess this is sort of true, I can't imagine something like Initial D being as popular with the general public as it would be with car autists.

[Anonymous No.6328151]

>>6327458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUamHEvVQy0

[Anonymous No.6328219]

>>6320512
>>6321960
>>6321971
I had pirated VHS tapes of Evangelion that I bought from a Chinese store in 1999. I remember doing my first-ever "marathon" of a TV show during the Christmas break while my parents fretted about whether their cars would start on January 1. At the time I didn't even care about the crap dub job, or the crap video quality, in my 15-year-old mind it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. Later the next year, during the midst of the Gore vs Bush nonsense, I got my hands on a pirated Lain VHS set with surprisingly good video quality. That was quite the experience to see the first time around.

Speaking of which, has anyone here ever played Lain for the Playstation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXzOlytPME

[Anonymous No.6328226]

I've always thought Eva was great. I wish the Netflix release had the old dub. I'm sure the new one is "more accurate" but it's so fucking wordy. Settled for the subs.

[Anonymous No.6328358]

>>6327452
>Zankoku na tenshi no teeze.
It's called A Cruel Angel's Thesis, get it right.

[Anonymous No.6328645]

>>6328151
I can do you one better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWbpSNkmk

[Anonymous No.6330731]

[Anonymous No.6330764]

>>6309654
Shows your age. They're drawn like Nickelodeon toons. They were very popular back then. Anime was still very niche. The DBZ frieza saga didn't get dubbed for another 7 to 8 years.

Game publishers did that believing American kids wouldn't buy Japanese box art. I don't know if they had data, and I certainly don't, but given the time that happened I think they made the right decision.

I know you're just messing about, but it was a concept worth thinking about.

[Anonymous No.6331292]

>>6309775
>If kids saw anything animated in Japan back then it was fully westernized like Transformers or Robotech with no hint of Japanese culture.

Robotech is a chopped up anime but Transformers as a franchise is a fully American bastardisation of toy lines. Americans invented the entire storyline and scripted and storyboarded every episode before they shipped the animation overseas, usually to Japan or China, which was the norm even for cartoons like GI Joe, a fully American toyline.

[Anonymous No.6331297]

>>6314041
>They were bringing over a ton of stuff that was niche even in Japan at the time. Really bizarre.

Not really. They brought it over because it was fucking cheap.

Cowboy Bebop for example is kind of a nothing anime over there but is huge for the US because it was very cheap to license.

[Anonymous No.6331307]

>>6331297
>Cowboy Bebop for example is kind of a nothing anime over there but is huge for the US because it was very cheap to license.
Not sure about licenses, but was Bebop really "kind of a nothing"? I remember it being a lot on magazines like Newtype, and it was a big budget series by Sunrise, with half of its episode being broadcast-only because they had OVA-quality.

[Anonymous No.6331315]

>>6331307
The show nearly got cancelled and it isn't considered the generational juggernaut that it is over here. If you are an anime fan of a certain age here Cowboy Bebop is a top 5 of all time for you. Over in Japan it's kinda like, oh I remember that show.

But we're getting off topic, you gotta look at other stuff too. AVD got Evangelion for a pittance because they didn't really know what they had at the time for example (which is why the old dub is gone forever). Most things licensed and dubbed in the 90s were only done because the license was extremely cheap compared to something else.

[Anonymous No.6331318]

I know this isn't the right place to ask but why did anime took longer to came in the US compared to France, Italy or South America and Spain? The conception of cartoons being just expensive toy commercials and comics being superheroes and nothing more or americans hating foreign stuff back in the day?

[Anonymous No.6331328]

>>6331315
>If you are an anime fan of a certain age here Cowboy Bebop is a top 5 of all time for you.
I'm 34 so I'm old enough, but to me, Bebop was just nice, I didn't get the hype for it, although I did enjoy it, just I guess not as much as everyone else. The movie was pretty good though, probably enjoyed that more than most of the TV episodes.
I didn't know that about the licensing aspect though, that's interesting.
It's also funny that most people nowadays experience the Director's Cut versions of eps 21-24, but back in the day, ADV only got the original broadcast versions, as the home video releases were halted in Japan. If I'm not mistaken, that means that the west actually got home video versions of episodes 21 to 26 before Japan did, where I guess most fans relied on TV recordings until gainax/king records released the proper videos, which were the director's cuts.
>>6331318
I'd like to know more about this too.

[Anonymous No.6331450]

>>6331318
Anime was always in the US, you just have to look in the right places. For example Nickelodeon dubbed an anime adaptation of the German Heidi character in the early 80s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi,_Girl_of_the_Alps

We obviously have stuff like Speed Racer and Gigantor, Battle of the Planets/Gatchaman, the aforementioned Robotech, and Voltron.

We "got anime," it was just usually either trash that was dubbed and edited quickly to make a quick buck. It wasn't until the 90s when some companies thought there was more money long term in doing the series justice instead of just slapping together some shit. I would say they nailed it with DBZ. It also helped that a starving Turner network in the 90s would basically take anything if they liked it and could get their hands on it.

[Anonymous No.6332463]

>>6331318
I think half of it was the fact that the English speaking world (the UK barely got any anime either) had their own massive entertainment industry, so why import foreign stuff? The other half is that Anglos and Northern Europeans are averse to animation in general. Look how badly they treat their own stuff, they essentially pigeonholed animation as being stuff for "children". They say how "good" of a decision it was to strip the Japanese art out of their covers, why? Apparently seeing cute and fantastically drawn things are off putting, how they barely had any anime on television, when you compare it to Italy, France or South America were there was a crap ton of anime being broadcasted during the 70s, 80s and 90s. I am legit shocked at the stuff that got dubbed in Italian and South America, never thought half of it ever left Japan.

>>6331450
>Anime was always in the US, you just have to look in the right places.

Compared to other places, not really. Like you have shows like Heidi and Candy Candy that got really popular in other countries, but those shows just passed by the English speaking world. It wasn't until Pokemon and DBZ came around that you started to see anime being put on US television.

[Anonymous No.6333048]

>>6328219
>china

[Anonymous No.6333962]

Combining vidya and animu back in the 90s was peak comfy.
It has lost that magic now. Part of it was the feeling of exoticness it had.

[Anonymous No.6334236]

>>6333048
If you were a kid living in 1990s or early 2000s and you wanted to get into anime, the Chinese stores were your best option. Once the mid 2000s came along and you had broadband, it was a different story. You had ready access to fansubs, and the quality of the physical bootlegs also took a nosedive. I remember buying Haruhi on DVD, and I was greeted by a fucking incomprehensible set of subtitles that had been translated from Japanese to Chinese, and then into English... literally. That was the last time I bought anything from the Chinese.

>>6332463
I don't think the Brits had the same attitude towards animation as the Americans did. Just look at stuff like Alice, The Plague Dogs or When the Wind Blows. Also, Ghost in the Shell was a joint Anglo-Japanese production. They had a lot of stuff that was aimed squarely at children, but also a number of titles which were sort of all-ages (Wallace and Gromit) as well as the aforementioned titles that dealt with very adult-focused themes and fears. Of course Americans didn't get this, which is why there are so many children who were scarred by the fucking warren scene in Watership Down because their parents were conditioned to think it was a cute bunny movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzirfrSn_KQ

>>6331315
Interesting to hear the differences in perception between here and Japan. I think a lot of the hype over Cowboy Bebop is a generational thing. Watching it in the early 2000s for the first time, it was awesome. It was our first exposure to a really well-drawn, visually pleasing anime that also had a fantastic dub. I remember the first time I watched it, it made me realize how rough and stilted the Evangelion dub was in comparison.

[Anonymous No.6335004]

Golgo 13 always felt weird to me; it was based on a Japanese property which didn't get introduced to Americans until 1992, yet they retained the original Japanese artwork, albeit modified. Meanwhile the Mafat Conspiracy doesn't even have Golgo 13 in the boxart title, on top of it being redrawn to look more 'western'. The game was even retitled from 'The Riddle of Icarus'.

[Anonymous No.6335028]

>>6316112
Man I used to fancy the eventual editor Alison something-or-other of Super Play.

[Anonymous No.6335031]

>>6310865
Go on...

[Anonymous No.6336735]

>>6331450
>doing the series justice
>dbz
Pick one

[Anonymous No.6336823]

>>6321436
Do you really think it's straight men watching moeshit? Do AGP tranny lezzies and nonces qualify as straight men?

[Anonymous No.6336867]

>>6336823
>Do you really think it's straight men watching moeshit?
of course. we are the primary demographic.

[Anonymous No.6336920]

>>6332463
Mazinger Z was another anime that was popular in Europe and Latin America, but ignored in the US.

[Anonymous No.6336948]

>in japan during new year's
>arcade has a kiki kaikai cabinet that is streaming to nico nico
>see a guy playing at around 10am, obviously knows what he's doing
>come back at 4pm
>still there, stage 80+, stream chat going nuts
what the fuck japan, I didn't know you liked the game that much. The JP game is as expensive if not more than the US version.

[Anonymous No.6337895]

>>6335031
Got lucky. It says DEMO NOT FOR SALE or something like that on the title screen. It's a US version so chances of there being meaningful differences are slim (though it does have SFC button colors and not US purples on the options screen controls), but still, even the retail release costs many times what I paid and at least this one is a unique, very few of a kind build.

[Anonymous No.6338286]

>>6325868
>so very true
>>6327560
Proving you are ugly sucker.

[Anonymous No.6338504]

>>6334236
Ah the Chinese stores. My friend introduced me to Chinatown specifically for the HK bootlegs. A Chinese man once walked up to me there and said, "It's nice to see the white man in Chinatown." It also had the filthiest urinals I've ever seen in my life with urine-splattered cardboard all over the ground. Before that it was send some guy a check to send you copies of his fansub master tapes. At 4-5 bucks a tape to cover shipping and tapes that was a pretty decent option. Cons would also sell HK bootlegs as well as straight up actual copied bootlegs until the con sponsors forced them out of the game.

[Anonymous No.6338529]

True oldfags recognize this logo

[Anonymous No.6338530]

>>6325868
Eva music with the Mario 64 flute synth is one of my favorite things ever.

[Anonymous No.6338556]

>>6338529
>buying bootlegs
lol kys poorfag

[Anonymous No.6338561]

>>6309654
Turbografx 16 box art is really funny

[Anonymous No.6338573]

>>6331315
Bebop was farily popular in Japan in its time as it got a lot of coverage in Newtype. And it only "nearly got cancelled" because it was considered too violent to air on network television. It had a full run on the satellite network WOWOW later on.
>But we're getting off topic, you gotta look at other stuff too. AVD got Evangelion for a pittance because they didn't really know what they had at the time for example
No, they brought it over because they knew it was hot in Japan and happened to get it at the right time for the right price. Originally, they were rumored to bring over the Patlabor series, but settled on Eva when they saw it was a: newer and b: hugely popular in Japan and on VHS fansub
>which is why the old dub is gone forever
No nigger, it's gone because ADV/sentai filmworks were engaged in a huge lawsuit with Gainax over unpaid royalties for unfinished live action movie, and Anno is rumored to have never liked ADV's translation.
>Most things licensed and dubbed in the 90s were only done because the license was extremely cheap compared to something else.
The licenses were cheap, but dubs were made because even back then sales numbers conclusively proved people would buy dubbed tapes over subbed ones. This also why subbed tapes were usually more expensive than dubbed tapes; to make a profit by covering the expenses of the licensing fee and manufacturing costs.
>>6311508
>o be fair, in those days anime was still for a niche core audience, not massive.
lol nigger shut up. The audience happened to be niche. Companies like CPM and Streamline Pictures wanted this shit to get out to the widest audience possible.

[Anonymous No.6338580]

>>6338556
kek, I was very pissed when I actually found out they were bootlegs. Well, the Ever Anime ones (and there was another brand too, that used a circular logo with kanji/chinese characters) looked more bootleggy, but the SonMay stuff was actually very well done. The discs themselves look great, while the ever anime and other bootlegs had discs that used random pictures on the surface (taken from the booklets of other releases and stuff), but SonMay were actually faithful recreations of the originals. The only thing that gave it away was that they could have some logos in chinese, like pic related, but back in the day I didn't know the difference between chinese and japanese writing, I just didn't know any better.
Gotta say though, nowadays I kind of dig my old bootleg CDs. Nostalgia value and all that. If I happen to come across some old Sonmay bootlegs on the wild for cheap, I'd buy them.
SonMay even has dedicated entries on Discogs.
https://www.discogs.com/es/label/45713-SonMay-Records

[Anonymous No.6338585]

>>6338580
Discogs has bootleg entries for a ton of shit, that doesn't mean anything.

[Anonymous No.6338586]

>>6338573
>The audience happened to be niche. Companies like CPM and Streamline Pictures wanted this shit to get out to the widest audience possible.
Never argued the contrary actually, just said that at the time, it wasn't massive yet, and companies knew that, which is why you had them trying to promote all anime as violent and adult.
Of course they wanted to sell more, so their goal would be to make it massive, but at the same time they knew there was a core, niche audience which would be the ones who would consume the product the most, at the time.

[Anonymous No.6338587]

>>6338585
>that doesn't mean anything.
I didn't say it "means" anything, just mentioned it because it's a database of sonmay stuff that might be of interest for some.

[Anonymous No.6338590]

>>6338586
>and companies knew that, which is why you had them trying to promote all anime as violent and adult.
They did that for marketing reasons, to get people to talk about these "violent porno toons from japland", not to pander to some niche audience. Manga Entertainment themselves blatantly said so hence why their dubs had assloads of swearing in them like in Angel Cop and Mad Bull 34.

[Anonymous No.6338593]

>>6338590
>not to pander to some niche audience
In the same post you made, regarding Eva and ADV, you mentioned that they were conscious about the popularity of the VHS fansubs. So they were aware that there was a niche audience that actually were interested in anime in a more serious way than people who just bought what was available officially.

[Anonymous No.6338602]

>>6338593
>So they were aware that there was a niche audience that actually were interested in anime in a more serious way than people who just bought what was available officially.
No, they figured that if Eva is causing this much enthusiasm in fansubs and causing a massive fervor in Japan, then bringing out officially, marketing it, and getting it into brick and mortar stores in the states would make a profit generating hit among the general public. And ADV themselves were started by fans, as opposed to Streamline, CPM, and Manga Video which were started by media executives.

[Anonymous No.6338604]

>>6338602
>And ADV themselves were started by fans, as opposed to Streamline, CPM, and Manga Video which were started by media executives.
Fair enough.
I mean, of course the ultimate goal of any company would be to make it big, but in USA in the 90s, I think these companies relied, in a way, in these hardcore niche fans. Something like Urusei Yatsura was mad popular in places like Italy, but in USA it was considered niche.

[Anonymous No.6338623]

>>6338590
I rewatched Angel Cop last year. The dub as well, I hadn't seen the dub.

It's certainly something.

[Anonymous No.6339006]

>>6338561
Far superbly than usual NES cover box art (Mega Man) and Striders on MD.

[Anonymous No.6339023]

>>6335004
>KEK in WOW
Fist of the North Star or TG-16 anime based pack in, Mashin Hero Wataru

[Anonymous No.6339117]

>>6326168
>>6338530
Oh no..wasn’t Doom 64 or other N64 music style use instead SM64 kiddo tune.

[Anonymous No.6339662]

>>6338623
The dub removed references to evil jewish overlords but made up for it by adding tons of creative swearing.

[Anonymous No.6339727]

>>6339117
...what?

[Anonymous No.6341626]

>>6339727
Don’t what him, read closely dead eye.

[Anonymous No.6342113]

>>6310862
Not at all. Keep in mind that for years before this in Japan, tons of different artists had their own specific and weird takes on Goemon, they were only just starting to settle on his standard look by the time the first SNES game came out. And even then, his in-game look was still more different to the more round head, big spiky haired and red cheek look he grew into.
For what it is, that cover art is perfect. It shows Goemon how he is in game, features your ability to ride a tiger later on, shows your obstacles like the giant balls, boss fights, enemies like the samurai and clowns and fire balls, and even minigames like the horse races. It's a huge improvement to the Japanese version which just had Goemon running around and Ebisumaru dancing in the background.

[Anonymous No.6342125]

>>6336823
>Do you really think it's straight men watching moeshit
Yes, what the fuck have you've been smoking, it's almost entirely made by and targeted to them.

[Anonymous No.6342128]

>>6321416
Japan had an economic boom in the 80's and tons of OVA's and niche stuff was being made all over the place. After the economy decided to do its scheduled suicide every decade, people were too afraid to experiment with weirder shit anymore.

[Anonymous No.6342130]

[Anonymous No.6342386]

>American exclusive game
>but produced primarily by an all-Japanese team
>You can still tell the bit of anime influence on the box art, but still feels like a westerner drew it
>and a cute elf waifu showing off her thighs on an NES cover
I have nothing to add, I just wanted to share this information here.

[Anonymous No.6342393]

>>6341626
It still makes no sense.
I guess he meant to say "why wasn't Doom 64 or other N64 music style used instead of SM64, kiddo", but holy shit we shouldn't encourage people to write that poorly. Let people "what" at him, you nigger (I bet it was you)
Also, the Evangelion 64 songs that used the SM64 flute synth are songs that are originally J-pop (Zankoku na tenshi, Tamashii no rufuran). I don't think Doom 64 music style would work there.

[Anonymous No.6343440]

american dumb dumb

[Anonymous No.6343586]

>>6309938
And I wish I didn't pass up that stack of 20 Panzer Dragoon Sagas at Toysrus when they were practically giving them away.

[Anonymous No.6345497]

>>6343440
Rude.

[Anonymous No.6346796]

>>6337895
Good find, congrats

>>6338504
lol @ the Chinese guy. I kind of miss the days when Chinese places around me were filled with Hong Kongers who loved showing outsiders their stuff ("you will really enjoy this movie! It is one of the classics. I give to you free with your purchase"). Now they're filled with mainlanders who treat you like some kind of deleterious element in their otherwise perfectly Han world. In fact, now that I think about it, the decline in subtitle quality coincided with the immigration shift from Hong Kong to the mainland.

And man that thing about fansubs really brings me back. It used to feel like a huge win to finally get your tapes in the mail. It really drove me nuts going on /a/ around 2010-2013 and seeing people complain "raws have been out for 10 hours where are my fucking subs". What a world of difference from 10 years prior. If the thing you wanted wasn't in Chinatown, there was a good chance you needed to wait 3-6 WEEKS for the subs. Now, as far as I can tell, fansubbing is all but dead because all the kids stream their stuff off Crunchyroll. But I haven't really watched a lot of new anime lately, so I can't say for sure. From a casual glance it certainly seems like there are way fewer groups.

>>6342128
If anything anime is now too niche. It used to be more acceptable to watch anime in mainstream Japanese society. Now it's sort of becoming the realm of the otaku, and you're just as likely to hide your figurines from Japanese company as you are from your boomer parents in North America.

[Anonymous No.6346912]

>>6321145
>Sega sponsors your show
>put the game adaptation on Nintendo

[Anonymous No.6346919]

>>6309749
That's the way to fucking do it.

If you have to replace an anime style boxart, make it look like a Metal Album.

[Anonymous No.6347109]

>>6346796
>It used to be more acceptable to watch anime in mainstream Japanese society. Now it's sort of becoming the realm of the otaku, and you're just as likely to hide your figurines from Japanese company
Nigger shut up, no it wasn't. If in 1980s Japan you were known to blow your cash on lolita hentai laser discs and gunpla models you were considered a fucking maladjusted manchild, and after the Tsutomu Miyazaki murders the average Japanese considered you a budding serial killer. Outside of shit like sazaesan, being an otaku has always been considered to be embarrassing at best and shameful at worst.

[Anonymous No.6347419]

>>6346796
god i hated the early fansub scene. waiting for eons was agony. don't look down on people for finally pushing for speed, i was right there with them when the pace had finally started to pick up.

>Now, as far as I can tell, fansubbing is all but dead because all the kids stream their stuff off Crunchyroll
necessary evil. the advent of CR and similar sites meant you no longer got turbofucked if you wanted to watch something relatively obscure. so many shows of the past never got subbed fully or didn't get subbed for months/years. on top of that simulcasting means subs happen instantly instead of being at the whim of fansub groups who still dragged their feet on occasion, and it's all still free. the fansub groups that still exist now tackle the rare show that doesn't get picked up officially and it means all of the bases are covered. the only lament i have about it is that there are a lot of pseudo-subgroups that simply edit streaming subs and never tackle their own translations from the ground up, which is bad when the rare extremely terrible official job happens and not even the fansubs fix it.

>It used to be more acceptable to watch anime in mainstream Japanese society
hahahaha no. it's always been looked down upon. it's gotten more acceptable among younger age groups very gradually but older people have never once accepted it there.

[Anonymous No.6347564]

>>6346912
And Sega got like 3 exclusive Evangelion games on the Saturn.
I guess their contract/agreement expired, at first only Sega had the rights to make Eva toys, but eventually, when Eva became a success, of course Gainax couldn't say no to Bandai, and they started doing model kits, and eventually released the N64 game.

[Anonymous No.6349564]

>>6346912
>Nintendo publishes R-Type for arcades
>IREM ports R-Type to the SMS

[Anonymous No.6349660]

>>6328219
Let's all love Lain!