/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.627154]

Why is this version of RE2 the best version?

I keep hearing about it but the answers are always vague like "It's a technical achievment!"

What's so great and what's this achievement?

Also, should I get it on N64

[Anonymous No.627159]

bump for curiosity

[Anonymous No.627167]

It's not, it has faster loading in general. But since cartridge is pleb level it also has shit quality FMVs.

[Anonymous No.627174]

>>627154
It is the only copy of the game with the Resi 2 battle game.

[Anonymous No.627179]

Dreamcast>PS1>N64

[Anonymous No.627184]

>>627167
Not a big deal, in my opinion. the quality at least

I guess since a 2 cd game fits in a 512mb cartridge is worth bragging about

[Anonymous No.627185]

Not the OP, but is the PC port of RE2 any good?

[Anonymous No.627196]

>>627174
No, Gamecube and PC has these modes too.

[Anonymous No.627226]

>>627154
Technically, the Dreamcast version is the best version. But the N64 version is much better than the PS1 version.

>>627167
>But since cartridge is pleb level it also has shit quality FMVs.
That's not entirely true. The FMV is shitty because the codec was rushed, I believe. Not because they had issues fitting the game in 64MB.

As an aside, remember Chrono Trigger DS? That took the PS1 version with its FMVs and compressed them down to 128MB. Which if you rar it, comes down to 54MB.

[Anonymous No.627225]

>>627196
yup

[Anonymous No.627240]

Wouldn't the Dreamcast or Gabecube be the best technologically?

[Anonymous No.627246]

>>627226
>1997 = 2008

[Anonymous No.627265]

why is it a technical achivement? because it's fucking insane. they managed to get a 2-CD PlayStation game working on a fucking N64 catridge. I think it even has better textures.
I don't even know why Capcom bothered anyway, but they made it.

[Anonymous No.627275]

>>627265
I heard you can up the graphics if you get another RAM catridge or whatever and enter the code "FLYBOY"

You know, the same RAM needed for Majora's Mask and DK64

[Anonymous No.627278]

>>627167
>But since cartridge is pleb level it also has shit quality FMVs.

>FMVs quality
>relevant

Just download an HD rip of them on your PC if you want to watch it, if you want to play the game, N64 version is better than PS1 for logical reasons.

[Anonymous No.627313]

>>627278
Worst post ever.
0/10

[Anonymous No.627317]

>>627226
>But the N64 version is much better than the PS1 version.
N64 version has slightly muffled voice acting, but the music quality is much better than the PS1. Plus it does a form of surround sound. Factor 5 worked on the audio compression tech for the game.

[Anonymous No.627326]

>>627313
He has a point. Since when was FMV quality relevant to the game's quality? Resi 2 is mostly rendered ingame.

I wish Resi 2 had used 3D backgrounds like Dino Crisis did. Then the N64 version would have really shone, since it didn't handle prerendered backgrounds all that well.

[Anonymous No.627332]

I went with the DC version myself.

I actually remember doing a bunch of research trying to establish what the best version is. I think the DC port looks the best graphically, better than those (fucking lazy) GC ports, and I'm pretty sure it has the extra shit from RE2: Dual Shock Edition. Don't know about the extra costumes/documents from the N64 version, though.

[Anonymous No.627386]

I went with the DC version myself.

I actually remember doing some research trying to establish what the best version is. I think the DC port looks the best graphically, better than those (fucking lazy) GC ports, and I'm pretty sure it has the extra shit from RE2: Dual Shock Edition. Don't know about the extra costumes/documents from the N64 version, though.

[Anonymous No.627943]

>>627317

>Factor 5

RIP

[Anonymous No.628272]

is it possible to make a rom hack to inserts the high quality FMVs into the N64 re2? because I would yank out the eprom and buy a rewriter if you could

[Anonymous No.628293]

>>628272
Doubtful.

[Anonymous No.628318]

PC is the best version actually.

[Anonymous No.628354]

>>628318
>PC is the best version actually.
Arguably untrue, since it lacks the features exclusive to the N64 version.

[Anonymous No.628391]

Why does the box say "Only for N64"? This very obviously wasn't an exclusive

[Anonymous No.628401]

>>628391
If you put the cart in your Playstation the disc door won't close.

[Anonymous No.628407]

>>628391
>Why does the box say "Only for N64"? This very obviously wasn't an exclusive
That version was exclusive. Which kinda explains why the enhancements didn't show up in the Dreamcast version, I guess.

[Anonymous No.628418]

The best version is PC, because you can jump the loading screens.

[Anonymous No.628460]

>>627326
which is fine since prerendered backgrounds still make me cringe

[Anonymous No.628490]

Dual shock edition is my favorite. N64 port is the shittiest on account of the controller alone.

[Anonymous No.628580]

>>628354
But it has Extreme Battle mode and Nightmare mode, which are arguably better than any N64 extra features.

[Anonymous No.628584]

>mfw cheat codes

[Anonymous No.628601]

>Why is this version of RE2 the best version?
Except it's not. It's the 2nd worst version, the worst being the Game.com version.

[Anonymous No.628635]

>>628601

Except N64 version is better than PS1 in terms of actually playing the game, disregard FMV quality (which still, isn't even that bad on N64, even Kamiya says he likes the N64 version)

[NESfag No.628945]

The N64 version is far from being the best version out there. The resolution is shit, the quality of music and voices got lowered, and the controls are awful. Plus it doesn't even have every bonus the game has to offer.

The best CONSOLE version is the Dreamcast version: it has the best graphics and at least it has the Hard mode which was only released on the Dreamcast and PC versions; and it's a great hard mode (for example each zombie take a random number of bullet between 1 to 35 before dying)

The best version is the PC re-release on DVD that was only released in Japan. Best graphics and sound quality, you can skip doors and videos, no loading time between each camera angle, it fixes the compatibility issues of the version PC version, etc etc. However you need to know moonspeak OR to already know the game.
Otherwise emulate the Dreamcast version or play the original PC release if you can get past the compatibility issues.

At least you can play mods on the PC versions too.

FYI RE3 got this DVD re-release too.

[Anonymous No.629078]

>>628945
>N64 music was inferior.
Not true. The N64 version had better music than the PS1 version. And it had surround sound.

[NESfag No.629081]

>>629078

I wasn't comparing it to the PSX version

[Anonymous No.629086]

>>628945

Isn't the Gamecube ports on par with the Dreamcast versions? All they lack is the VMU health readout

[NESfag No.629096]

>>629086
Maybe in terms in graphics but even then i doubt it's as good as the dvd release. However the gamecube version is missing the Hard mode and you can't skip doors.

However the gamecube evrsion is the only one where you can skip dialogues, every cutscene. There is no definite RE2 version because I wish you could do that in the PC version (after playing the game a hundred times I'm kinda sick of being able to tell every dialogue as it's being told....)

[Anonymous No.629108]

best thing about the N64 Re2 was the randomizer. as far as im aware no other version has this.

[NESfag No.629110]

>>629108
good point

[Anonymous No.629115]

N64's greatest achievement = PS1 shovelware
GREAT CONSOLE GUYS

[NESfag No.629119]

>>629115
>N64's greatest achievement

Nope. And it's a horror game too.

[Anonymous No.629121]

>>628945
>The resolution is shit,
Wrong. The backgrounds are a lower resolution, but the game actually runs in a MUCH higher resolution (640x480 compared to the PS1's 320x240).

>the quality of music and voices got lowered
Yes on the voices. Wrong on the music which sounds better. Which do you hear more of?

>and the controls are awful.
Err...they are exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.629134]

i wanted resident evil 2(with the 64 bonus goodies) to ported in the same way they did this..

adding the load skips, extra touch mode, multiplayer and the 180 quick turn.

shame

[NESfag No.629132]

>>629121
>resolution
>music
but i was comparing it all to the japanese dvd release.

>controls
it feels worse on a N64 pad, also the N64 has the option to switch control from the original character centred controls ("tank" controls) to camera centred controls and it truely is awful

[Anonymous No.629139]

>>629108
What about Tofu Survivor?

[NESfag No.629140]

>>629134
The best thing about this version is the new 3D models, both for characters and enemies; and how they changed the AI of enemies, especially zombies are more intelligent and harder to dodge.

the first person knife parts are dull gameplay wise and they simply do NOT make sense though. However the new puzzles and how they changed item placement was cool.

[NESfag No.629141]

>>629139
tofu and hunk are in the N64 version too. They're in every version.

[Anonymous No.629152]

>>629141
But the N64 version's scenarios can be activated without beating the game twice

[Anonymous No.629154]

>>629115
>RE2
>PS1 Shovelware

get out

[NESfag No.629307]

>>629152
It's not like that really matters. Plus in both PC versions you can easily edit the files so that everything is unlocked right away.

[Anonymous No.629319]

>>627167

>FMVs
>Mattering

it took 90's kids just a couple glances at the Sega CD to realize how shitty FMVs were for the most part with the exception of some japanese rpgs here and there. Why has it taken YOU so long?

[Anonymous No.629325]

>>629319
I think you're referring to FMV games, while he's referring to FMV cinema scenes..

[Anonymous No.629662]

I always preferred the Dreamcast version. Visually, it looked nicer and "popped." It also felt smoother, but since /vr/ is touchy about that, I'd just stick with the classic PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.629772]

>>629115
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.630127]

Dreamcast version is the best console version:
-VGA mode
-VMU support which displays current health and ammo. Kind of useless, but cool nonetheless.
-Nightmare difficulty mode
-Art, 3D model, and FMV galleries

Too bad the GC version didn't have any of the extras like nightmare or the galleries, but it at least has the best quality FMVs (at 60 fps too) and skippable cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.630146]

The dreamcast version is super easy. I remember playing it like a year ago unknowing that the normal mode was pretty much the easy mode. I was like "i dont remember this shit being so easy back in the day". I found out way later i was pretty much playing easy mode.

it was also the PAL version. I dont think a NTSC dreamcast RE2 came out state side. I'm probably wrong though

[Anonymous No.630148]

>>629119

This reminds me, doesnt the N64 version of Quake 2 have an exclusive WAD or something?

[NESfag No.630187]

>>630127
you have all of that in the PC verison, AND in the jap only dvd release the quality of everything is even better (including FMVs) plus you can skip doors and loading times between camera angles is non existent.

>>630146
You probably mean the difference between "normal" mode and "'arrange" mode. Arrange mode usually is easier because it corresponds to the original jap version. Item placement, etc was different between the original jap and western versions; however some versions, like PC or dreamcast, included both versions, except that in some cases they called "normal" the original western mode, and in other cases "normal" is the original jap mode. It's kind of a mess.

>>630148
I think I heard of that, wasn't it converted for PC though?

[Anonymous No.630207]

The PC version was a shit port, Capcom kept the backgrounds compressed at 320x240, instead of giving PC native 640x480/800x600 backgrounds

Also they kept the fucking loading screens on the PC version when PC clearly didn't need them

[Anonymous No.630223]

>>630207
>The PC version was a shit port, Capcom kept the backgrounds compressed at 320x240

Technically it was the fault of Virgin Interactive, the actual developer of the game

[Anonymous No.630228]

>>630207
Laziness. They had a couple Sega games on the PC such as Sonic and Garfield Caught In The Act which were still rendered at 320x200 when there was nothing to prevent the use of 640x480

[Anonymous No.630234]

>>630223
The backgrounds were originally made at much higher resolution but were compressed due to consoles, it's sad that the PC versions didn't have higher res uncompressed backgrounds, not sure why Capcom didn't release them

[NESfag No.630239]

>>630207
The graphical issue got fixued in the jap only dvd re-release.

What you're saying is not true about loading screens though, you can skip them.

btw I keep talking about this jap only dvd release. some fan modded it to have it translated in english, but last time I checked on the RE modding forums, the asshole didn't want to share it.

[Anonymous No.630247]

>>630234
Of course because 3D graphics would have been made with a dedicated workstation like the SGI Indigo

[Anonymous No.630250]

>>629662
i disagree, while the dreamcast versions character models did indeed look nicer it made them stick out too much from the backgrounds. just didn't look right

[Anonymous No.630251]

>>630250
left my sage on..

[Anonymous No.630262]

>>630239
Where can i get the sourcenext version anyway, i can find a torrent of it except one on TPB, which doesn't have enough seeders

[Anonymous No.630264]

>>630262
*i can't

[NESfag No.630345]

>>630262
It used to be on underground-gamer.

I have both games RE2&3 Sourcenext version on a harddrive and a disk somewhere but I have no idea where to download them anymore, sorry, just google hard enough.

If actual copies are very rare, only a few are left on the jap amazon and even then they don't ship worldwide. Shame.

Sourcenext also re-released Dino Crisis1&2 but afaik they're the same versions as the original PC releases, no improvement. But then again it's EVEN MORE rare that I wouldn't know... If you can find it i'll upload my sourcenext versions of RE2&3 just for you

[NESfag No.630352]

>>630345
>>630262
try this

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/7143398/

[Anonymous No.630368]

>>630207

The loading doors are a design decision, they didnt need them on N64 either, but they were added for atmosphere

[Anonymous No.630391]

Its not,only nintendrones assume that.

[Anonymous No.630394]

Dreamcast and PC are the two best versions, N64 has a few extra files that reference RE: Zero though.

Dreamcast version also edits out the death animations, keep that in mind.

[Anonymous No.630410]

>>630394
>Dreamcast and PC are the two best versions
Opinions

[Anonymous No.630413]

>>627265
>I think it even has better textures
Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.630440]

>>630413
enjoy your jaggies

[Anonymous No.630450]

>>630440
They both have jaggies.

[Anonymous No.630470]

>>630450

64 has better texture filtering and no perspective distortion

[Anonymous No.630475]

>>630413

Enjoy your fat N64 people

[NESfag No.630494]

>>630394
>Dreamcast version also edits out the death animations, keep that in mind.

How so?

>>630410
When there is a version with the best technical aspects (higher resolution, better sound quality, skippable loading times) as well as the most bonuses (all the extra modes, an exclusive FANTASTIC hard mode which is the best difficulty mode of any RE game, even better than REmake's real survival); as well as giving you the choice of playing in the original version or the arrange version, letting you access to mods (some of which are like a whole new story in the world of RE2), then it's not just "opinion" anymore. I'm not a PCfag, but the two PC versions are the best, period.

[Anonymous No.630492]

>>630470
I'll give you the perspective distortion even though it's largely unnoticeable given that it's a fixed camera angle game, but the texture filtering in the 64 version doesn't really help it. It's still ridiculously blurry and awful-looking.

[Anonymous No.630505]

>>630394
If I recall, the N64 version has quite a few exclusive documents in it, some of which actually reference RE3 and yes, even Zero. I think it also has a bunch of unique costumes that aren't found in any other version, but I could be wrong.

>Dreamcast version also edits out the death animations, keep that in mind.

It does what now?

[NESfag No.630510]

>>630494
The PC version is only missing 3 things :
- the ability to skip dialogues scenes (only possible in the Gamecube version)
- the few extra files (which you can read online anyway)
- the "randomizer" mode of the N64 version, which is the only reason to play the N64 version really. But I wouldn't exchange that against Hard Mode+Arrange Modes+Extreme Battle.

[Anonymous No.630526]

>>630494
>>630505
Screen fades to black, "You Died" appears. Nothing else.

Japanese censorship laws apparently, most versions of "Biohazard 2" are the same.

[NESfag No.630524]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1K0Qkd13Zw

Requiem of Spies. A mod of RE2 : new story, new item placement, pretty much a new scenario in the world of RE2. Sure the voice acting is hilariously bad but it's part of the charm.

For hardcore fans this is pretty cool.

[NESfag No.630535]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfS6snXEa0g

Not released yet

[Anonymous No.630547]

>>630494
But it is an opinion. i feel the N64 is the best version. i prefer the randomizer, the extra difficulty modes, the easy access to the hunk and tofu modes, the extra files, the extra costumes, the fact its on one cart.

again all opinions!!!

Saying straight out that the PC and Dreamcast is the best as it was a fact is not true, its YOUR opinion.

[NESfag No.630553]

>>630547
> the extra difficulty modes
which are only on dreamcast and PC

>the easy access to the hunk and tofu modes
which can be unlocked right away in the pc versions in a couple of seconds by editing one file

> the extra costumes
does the N64 have exclusive costumes? link?
in any case with mods you have access to plenty of costumes on PC

>the fact its on one cart.
The best version (jap pc dvd re-release) is all on one DVD.

the randomizer is the only sane reason to like the N64 version better

[Anonymous No.630575]

>>630553

N64 also had a violence mode which made less/more blood, change the colour of the blood. nothing ground breaking but a extra non the less.

> the extra costumes
Google is your link, its easy to use

>which can be unlocked right away in the pc versions in a couple of seconds by editing one file
not really intended, hardly a feature

[Anonymous No.630587]

>>630553

>The best version (jap pc dvd re-release) is all on one DVD.
which is also in moonspeak.

[Anonymous No.630605]

>>627167
>CDs: 9 seconds to load
>N64: 7 seconds to load
>considerable difference

The FMV could've been reworked by turning it into a real time movie, much like how OoT and Turok 2 did.

pic related, it's the captcha.

[Anonymous No.630639]

>>627154
>"It's a technical achievment!"

The Gameboy Advance version is a technical achievement!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65AUaENFlHg

[Anonymous No.630661]

Because Capcom managed to squeeze the content of 2 CDs on a 90MB cartridge.

Also some people say it looks better than the PS1 version,
which isn't true. Some parts look better, some look worse.
Where the PS1 version was pixelated the N64 version is blurry.

There is however additional content like notes and alternate costumes,
which the PS1 version doesn't feature.

No idea about the Dreamcast version.

[NESfag No.630671]

>>630639
In any case we can all agree that the game.com version is the worst version. Sure it's unique... but stay away from the thing at all costs. Don't even try it if you could get it for free. Sadly I bought the "console" with the game out of curiositiy sake, I still can't believe how bad it was. The worst video game I have ever played, and I've played thousands if you count demos.

[Anonymous No.631141]

>>630526
Not the PS1 version, at least in north america. Has all that gory death scenes.

[Anonymous No.631152]

>>630639
>that 2nd top comment

[Anonymous No.631162]

So is RE2 for the n64 emulatable at all? Last time I tried it wouldnt even load the rom properly.

[Anonymous No.631180]

>>630553
N64 is also the only version with the option for non-tankcontrols (First Person Controls).

It also has a Hunter corpse in the Experiment Room

[Anonymous No.631181]

>>627226
Chrono Trigger on the PS1 was just a giant cluster fuck in general. I am so glad the DS version was made to keep all that content with none of the load times.

[Anonymous No.631186]

>>631162
It's playable.
You can probably even complete it.

Don't use Project64 though.

[Anonymous No.631350]

>>631186
I figured, seems glide64 has issues running it as well though.

[Anonymous No.631517]

>>630671
It has better textures than the N64 version, for certain.

[Anonymous No.632431]

>>631186
>It's playable.
>You can probably even complete it.
>Don't use Project64 though.
I finished it twice. Glide64 works pretty well. And I don't see the issue with Project 64. I used 1.6.1 - the main problem is finding an audio plugin which can handle the voices correctly. However, it's apparently possible.

In my opinion, the "1st person" controls are a defining feature of the N64 version. Evading zombies is much easier when you can move in any direction you wish.

The problem with the original PS1 Resi 2 was that it wasn't really designed for analogue controls. (The updated version added dual shock support, but the game still used tank controls.) The Dreamcast version is the same. For me, the controls give the N64 version a huge advantage.

[Anonymous No.632497]

the polygons look more "n64'ish" instead of that crap the PSX renders thanks to the expansion pack adding more ram allowing for higher res.

Also it had quicker loading times and new control options that were a blessing from the gods.

Gore and blood options, ex files that tie in the story for RE0 and none RE owners so they understand everything before RE2 and after.

[Anonymous No.632701]

Over 9000 hours in MS Paint.

Feel free to point out any errors or suggest an improvement.

[Anonymous No.632726]

>>632701
Thank you very much, anon. This is a valuable resource you have blessed us with.

[Anonymous No.632731]

Over 9000 hours in MS Paint.

Feel free to point out errors or possible improvements.

[Anonymous No.632820]

>>632731
Dreamcast/N64 confirmed for best versions

[Anonymous No.632841]

>>632820
I shall proceed to post this in utterly irrelevant threads.

>Megaman 1 or 2 guise?
>Well, I dunno about that, but the Dreamcast version of Resi 2 has improved graphics but only the N64 version has true 3D movement. So I'd recommend whichever one suits your tastes.

[Anonymous No.632930]

I prefer the gamecube version because it's awesome to have the entire series on one console.

also if you play on HDTV with RGB cable the gamecube version has almost no ghosting compared to ps1 version.

also code veronica on ps2 is unplayable on HDTV due to extreme ghosting, looks like it's rendered on one of those horrible LCD screens.

so again gamecube wins.

[Anonymous No.632956]

>>632930
>so again gamecube wins.
Unless you dislike tank controls.

[Anonymous No.633042]

>>632731
Saved, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.633440]

>>632731
>mfw playing RE2 is glorious 1990s Dolby Surround

[Anonymous No.633614]

>>632731
N64's costumes are pretty shitty tbh.

[NESfag No.634960]

>>632731
How do you know if the Sourcenext version doesn't have dolby surround sound?

also one very important thing to me is that the PC versions, and maybe the DC and GC versions but even then I'm not sure, don't have loading items between camera angles; which makes the game much smoother compared to the original psx version.

[Anonymous No.634969]

>>632731
Great chart.

What's with the 2006 version? Is it in Japanese? What is it called, Resident Evil 2 Something, jsut RE2, or Biohazard 2 Something?

[NESfag No.634976]

>>634969
It's called Biohazard 2, period. But it was developped by Sourcenext, so if you want to find it, google that with the name of the game.

[Anonymous No.634979]

>>634976
Ok, thanks!

This thread is helpful. I was expecting everyone to laugh at OP, but turns out the PSOne version really is inferior to all others. I didn't even know that ports of RE2 were good.

[Anonymous No.635241]

>>634960
Surround Sound was added by Angel Studios when they were porting the audio to the N64. No other version has it.

>Finally, using their sound driver on the N64 allowed us to use Dolby Surround Sound to place sounds in true 3D space, making the in-game sound far superior to its PSX predecessor.

No other version used it. The 2006 PC version only had minor changes such as being on 1 disk, and having DVD quality FMV scenes.