Phantasy Star 4

[Anonymous No.6261404]

How does this JRPG rank among its SNES contenders? Besides Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy this JRPG is better imo and one of the best in general.

[Anonymous No.6261409]

I like the macro system. Does any RPG other than FFXII have something similar?

[Anonymous No.6261436]

>>6261404
This game eats Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy for breakfast. Love them manga panels.

[Anonymous No.6261443]

>>6261436
Is it the best JRPG of the 90's? The panels are awesome and the first person combat too.
Graphics-wise i love the way this game looks.

[Anonymous No.6261456]

>>6261404
dumb forced narrative shit where Alys starts out being smart and capable and just turns her entire fucking brain off for wizard penis so the self insert male character can take over

because the gamer can never be the parent, they must always be the baby, they can never take responsibility, they must always clean up the mess and compensate for the failures of their predecessor

and women must always rely on men instead of being equal

PSIV would have been the best 16-bit rpg but instead we got cucked

Alys Should have been the main character, and Chaz the final boss

[Anonymous No.6261457]

>>6261456
lolwhat?
Women are not equal to Men.
This does not imply they are inferior.
They are just different.

[Anonymous No.6261492]

>>6261457
>This does not imply they are inferior.
The only thing women aren't inferior at to men is creating babies.

[Anonymous No.6261504]

>>6261492
I would love to see an army of women trying to defend their country. Its not going to happen. Women are biologically different and have a different way of thinking. They are not equal. They are not inferior. But Women need to know their place in society. Stay home and raise children. That's their role.

[Anonymous No.6261519]

>>6261504
Do you realize how stupid and offensive this is? Of course you don't, you're probably an incel. Women have no "place in society" because this isn't the 1800s grandpa.

[Anonymous No.6261527]

>>6261519
Its the truth.
You sound like some retarded feminist.
If this hurts your feelings you are truly incapable of killing somebody in a war scenario which further proves my point. Women are not equal.

[Anonymous No.6261761]

>>6261519
>>6261527
why do women advocating for gender equality always seem to hate femininity?

[Anonymous No.6261769]

>>6261519
>Women have no "place in society"
They do, they generate society and raise kids, which is more important than being an office drone for some corporation or getting their heads smashed pretending to be soldiers.
Women's emancipation was a big mistake and it becomes more clear every year, the more media and art they create, the louder and more 'woke' they get the more they prove far right talking points and undermine their own positions. It's uncomfortable but I'm learning to cope with it as well.

[Anonymous No.6261774]

>>6261527
How many people have you killed in war scenarios, dipshit?

[Anonymous No.6261782]

>>6261456
People that think Alys should have been the main character are smoothbrain retards. She's a great character and all, but at the point she's in the game she's already the elite hunter; the hero of her town. Her story has already run its course.

Chaz might be stupid and have no idea whats going on half the time but he's supposed to be the vehicle for the player to interact with the world. He grows throughout the plot and can admit he's just a scared kid by the time you get to Rykros and get his final weapon.

I remember years back someone tried to make a fangame retelling of PSIV with Alys as the MC and it was literal shit.

Also Demi is best girl.

[Anonymous No.6261789]

>>6261774
How many women have fought in wars, bitch?
Know your place.

[Anonymous No.6261794]

>>6261519
>Women have no "place in society"
Their optimal place in society--both for the benefit of society and the benefit of women themselves--is dictated by their inherent strengths and weaknesses. Their current place in society is to some extent a contrivance caused by delusion, misinformation, and a misplaced sense of justice and equality

[Anonymous No.6261809]

>>6261782
Correct, but Rika is the best.

[Anonymous No.6261865]

>>6261504
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio
What role is for the excess women and men in their respective regions?
>>6261519
You're incapable of creating equality since you have to address the sex ratio. When Islam creates excess men, the men are perma-incels and literally have no choice in mates, despite any red, black or blue pill idiocy.
One cannot create equality or patriarchy without addressing the supply and demand of the human sex market.

t. NEETcel

[Anonymous No.6261937]

>>6261782
You mean this game?

http://www.psalgo.com/boards/phantasy-star-banl-vt3638.html

[Anonymous No.6261947]

>>6261789
Oh dear..

[Unrepentant Reddit Spacer No.6261964]

>>6261404

I was a sega kid and never got to play what looked like amazing SNES RPGs like FF, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana etc until about 10 years ago, by emulation. Somehow, I never got round to playing PSIV back in the day either, so I played that by emulation around the same time as the SNES titles.

All I can say is that the SNES games were ultimately disappointing whereas even 20 years too late, Phantasy Star IV delivered absolutely everything I wanted from an RPG. It's not nostalgia or being a sega fanboy, it's just that PSIV is faster, better paced, and more focused than the other games, and unlike Final Fantasy games, the world has a real history from game to game whereas each FF game is disconnected. I felt like Square Enix were trying to make me care about too many characters but at the same time not letting me bond with any of them, and presenting a really complicated, messy story that I felt like I was watching rather than participating in.

[Unrepentant Reddit Spacer No.6261973]

>>6261456
>>6261492
>>6261504
>>6261527
>>6261761
>>6261769
Keep this shit out of this board please, if you want to parade your vast knowledge of the female sex do it somewhere else

[Anonymous No.6261980]

>>6261782
>>6261809
Correct.

>>6261973
simp

[Anonymous No.6261982]

>>6261404
I wanna feel those titties

[Anonymous No.6261989]

PSIV is one of those rare games where I genuinely like every character in it, even the more useless ones like Gryz.

It'd be cool to see it be remade, but at the same time I don't want current SEGA shitting all over it.

[Anonymous No.6261992]

>>6261989
I love my boi Seth. He's neat-o.

[Anonymous No.6262002]

>>6261992
I used to take him to the Vahal Fort and spam corrosion on the bots to easily grind levels.

Wren was my favorite character ever for the longest time, had a mild crush on him when I was young.

[Anonymous No.6262004]

>>6262002
Nice.

[Anonymous No.6262158]

>>6261404
Does Hahn's spells even work on PD? I just used the green healing dude.

[Anonymous No.6262160]

>>6261404
It's way better than any SNES RPG by a longshot and that's coming from me, a major SNES fanboy.
The battle system was way too cool. I just wish the dialogues were a lot better.

[Anonymous No.6262194]

>>6261404
A nice RPG that's become vastly overrated over the years. In a lot of ways it's babby's first RPG but with less cultural recognition than a FF or DQ because it was on the Genesis.

The world, itself, is fascinating, Phantasy Star always had amazing imagination behind it, but there's just not much in the way of exploration, challenge, or secrets. It's very linear without much to do outside of the main quest, though the bounty hunter feature breathes some life into the world.

If you want a elite level game in the same world, go with the first Phantasy Star game on SMS which is a hardcore no bs dungeon crawler full of mazes to explore and map out in alien worlds that offers plenty of challenge to keep the blood flowing. There are even entire bonus dungeons to explore.

[Anonymous No.6262331]

>power up the console
>immediately bombarded with awesome intro theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLV6zRdOsmg

[Anonymous No.6263146]

>>6261404
it's the best 16-bit JRPG period.

[Anonymous No.6263393]

>>6261404
SNES RPG library is pretty over-rated beyond the Squaresoft titles. Those games, however, I feel are better than Phantasy Star 4 because they have better gameplay variety. PS4 gives you the option to pick your 5th party member. FFV and VI let you fully customize your party. I also feel that they have better graphics, but that's subjective. I'd take Phantasy Star IV over basically any other SNES RPG, though. Genesis is kind of quality over quantity in the genre, whereas SNES is mountains of shovelware, with the Squaresoft entries carrying the platform.

[Anonymous No.6263396]

>>6261404
mediocre crap with le epic plot twist at the end that's massively overrated by genesis kids who never had any other jrpgs to compare it to.

[Anonymous No.6263472]

>>6261404
It's tied with Chrono Trigger and FFVI for me.

[Anonymous No.6263479]

>>6261782
>>6261809
Kyra is best

[Anonymous No.6263483]

>>6261782
>>6261809
Kyra is good too.

[Anonymous No.6263518]

>>6263483
All the girls in IV are good, its one of its best qualities.

[Anonymous No.6263520]

[Anonymous No.6263751]

>>6261404
I will never not be salty about Alys dying but I think it's pretty good.
Also a bit of a shame the series just kinda went elsewhere after the early games.

[Anonymous No.6263783]

>>6263396
There is no plot twist at the end.

[Anonymous No.6263786]

>>6263520
Why does kyra have a bulge?

[Anonymous No.6263791]

>>6263786
puffy vulva

[Anonymous No.6263850]

I think the story needed more downtime to be a true masterpiece. The plot always seems to be in a hurry, setting up the next problem before you even leave the current dungeon, I would have loved to see how the characters behave and interact in more relaxed settings.

[Anonymous No.6264189]

>>6263850
Yeah, I see what you mean. Would be nice to have the chance to get comfy in that world.

[Anonymous No.6264220]

>>6263850
It also means the game is never boring, which I can't say about most long-ass JRPGs, even retro ones.

[Anonymous No.6264270]

>>6261982
No mortal hands can caress the eldritch mammaries of the Profound Darkness without succumbing to madness and death.

[Anonymous No.6264274]

>>6263850
Disagree. The pacing is excellent.

[Anonymous No.6264426]

>>6263850
while i can empathize, and maybe just having sidequests might help that, constantly having urgent PURPOSE makes sense and helps give direction to the player.

[Anonymous No.6264501]

>>6261409
FFXI

[Anonymous No.6264504]

>>6261443
Great game. Probably the best RPG of the 90s alongside New Horizons.

[Anonymous No.6264537]

>>6263791
Olympus Mons

[Anonymous No.6264546]

>>6263850
You can potter round in settlements, esp on Dezolis

[Anonymous No.6264680]

>>6261404
>taking hahn instead of raja

[Anonymous No.6264819]

>>6263850
>I would have loved to see how the characters behave and interact in more relaxed settings.

They tried to do something with the CHAT command (probably to mimic DQ's party chat), but it's too limited, imo.

[Anonymous No.6264829]

>>6261404
What's with retro JRPGs all using the same blue text box?

[Anonymous No.6265331]

>>6261409
Persona 2.
Chrono Trigger.
Growlanser III and IV.
Two FFs; 4 (the twins) and 9 (in the case of Vivi and Steiner).
BoF4.
That Sailor Moon SFC RPG.
Ogre Battle 64, if that counts.
Prolly others. idk, i'm a cat.

[Anonymous No.6265334]

>>6261456
>gamer can never be the parent
IE, the MC must never be a parent, right? Then why Lufia 2?

[Anonymous No.6265469]

>>6263396
>le epic plot twist at the end

[Anonymous No.6266051]

>>6263396
What epic plot twist?

[spoiler}You mean that Rykros exists? That Chaz had no idea what he was doing? Rune being the Lutz? That last one you could kind of see coming from a mile away if you've played II.[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.6266054]

What epic plot twist?

You mean that Rykros exists? That Chaz had no idea what he was doing? Rune being the Lutz? That last one you could kind of see coming from a mile away if you've played II.

[Anonymous No.6266180]

>>6266054
Probably that the series villain was just an avatar for a hitherto unmentioned eldritch abomination that can be only be defeated by (as per jrpg tradition) the power of friendship.

[Anonymous No.6266331]

If Sega makes a single-player turn-based Phantasy Star but with setting and characters from Phantasy Star Online II, how big would it be?

[Anonymous No.6266361]

>>6264829
Highly legible without being an extreme contrast like white and black.

[Anonymous No.6266369]

>>6266180
>that can be only be defeated by (as per jrpg tradition) the power of friendship.
Didn't happen, Profound Darkness was beaten with a thorough ass-kicking.

>>6266331
Fairly big, PSO2's universe is quite sizable and has a massive cast. It's also chuuni as fuck so it can afford to be unapologetically cheesy.

[Anonymous No.6266384]

>>6261964
>I felt like Square Enix were trying to make me care about too many characters but at the same time not letting me bond with any of them, and presenting a really complicated, messy story that I felt like I was watching rather than participating in.
This. I ended up dropping FFIII on SNES at the burning village where you get Strago. There was way to much going on and I wasn't enjoying it. PSIV is one or the best presented RPG's i've ever played, where the "cutscenes" were the manga panels and really added depth to the characters. I have no opinion on Chrono Trigger, but the only other JRPG i've played with a great presentation was Tales of Phantasia on PS1.

[Anonymous No.6266393]

>>6261992
I played with a retranslation where a lot of peoples names were changed. Who's Seth? The android?

[Anonymous No.6266401]

>>6262194
>bonus dungeons
Explain. Just last year I went and played the 14 Phantasy Star games from the first one to the Game Gear spinoffs. I don't remember any bonus dungeons.

[Anonymous No.6266406]

>>6263393
I have to disagree on that one. Square and Enix both had a ton of good games on SNES, but there were a ton of other quality titles from Capcom, Taito, and a few others. I loved the first Lufia and look forward to playing the second one someday. BoF II was really fun, if maybe a little basic.

[Anonymous No.6266407]

>>6266369
One person cannot hope to beat the PF by themselves. They need friends to do combo techs and revive them if they fall.

[Anonymous No.6266414]

>>6263850
I agree, but there are a bunch of fun easter eggs hidden around the world.

[Anonymous No.6266424]

>>6266393
The one you recruit at Soldier Temple who turns out to be Dark Force mascarading as a human.

[Anonymous No.6266442]

>>6266424
Yeah, I remember him. Don't remember his name though.

[Anonymous No.6266453]

>>6266442

[Anonymous No.6266472]

>>6266406
You'll probably love Lufia II. It's one of my favorite RPGs, a big step up from 1.

[Anonymous No.6266489]

>>6266442
Siam?

[Anonymous No.6266493]

>>6266489
I'm trying to find any info through google on what the retranslation changed. It might be Siam, I just cannot remember.

[Anonymous No.6266501]

>>6266489
>>6266493
I went through the guys changelog and found his name was Jiam.

>Seth is Jiam because that's the closest romanization I could come up with out of the Japanese, since it's supposed to sound like "Sham". It's a little thing obvious in Japanese but not in English.

[Anonymous No.6266506]

>>6266472
I went and bought a copy some time ago but never managed to plug in in and try it. I already know how the story ends, I played through the final encounter as the prologue to the first one so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.6266632]

>>6264546

I know, and I like that NPCs react and talk to your party members when you're in their hometowns. It's just that I'd like more of that so I can know more about them as characters and not see them as just battle units.

The Seth thing is a good example of how in a rush the game seems to be constantly. You meet this guy, five minutes later he turns into Dark Force and it's never mentioned again afterwards. It's very obvious the first draft of the story had a bigger role for him to make the twist more significant.

>>6264819

Yeah, I remember the chat command had funny banter at the start of the game, between Alys and Hahn, but eventually it's just a character reminding you of the next objective.

[Anonymous No.6266640]

>>6261456
Dragon Quest 5 anon

[Anonymous No.6266693]

>>6261404
One of the best but easy.

[Anonymous No.6266915]

>>6265331
>>6261409
>Persona 2
While it does have this feature. DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. It's complete shit and I got memed into playing it. It's an easy cakewalk snooze fest that's massively overrated by this website and is inferior to it's predecessors and sequels. Probably the worst Megami Tensei game ever.

[Anonymous No.6266957]

>>6261443
Combat isn't first person, it's third person over the shoulder of your characters. Or are you talking about the Landrover stuff

[Anonymous No.6266980]

>>6261404
I hope you like grinding, OP.

[Anonymous No.6267402]

>>6261443
Best science fiction/fantasy Jrpg bar none. However, considering how small that genre is.

[Princess Sevenleaf !IT2uZpX.Ic No.6267408]

>>6261761
Because when you say "femininity" what you're actually referring to is one half of a binary construct that was literally created to benefit capitalist elites?

You dropped your hat btw

[Anonymous No.6267409]

>>6266414
Did you catch the dancer girls dancing too Fantasy Zone music

[Anonymous No.6267413]

>>6267408
Holy god kys

[Anonymous No.6267443]

>>6266453
I know Seth Green's parents.

[Anonymous No.6267447]

>>6267402
Isn't that like all of them since FFVII, including FFVII itself?

[Anonymous No.6267450]

>>6267443
Are they nice? Have you met Seth?

[Anonymous No.6267452]

>>6266915
fyili

[Anonymous No.6267480]

>>6267450
They're nice enough, sure. I've never met Seth, no, but there was a guy in the area who everyone thought was Seth (since he's a tiny little ginger, too), but isn't. I used to hang out with said guy from time to time but I can't for the fuck of me remember his name. He was good friends with with my friends Pat and Cliff, tho. Seth-look-alike, I mean. Not Seth.

[Anonymous No.6267485]

>>6261457
>Women are not equal to men
>Doesn't mean they're inferior
Is English your first language

[Anonymous No.6267491]

>>6267485
Anon is likely implying an apples to oranges situation (IE they're so incomparably dissimilar, you couldn't even begin to quantify them in any manner that could even begin to approach equality) or, far, FAR less likely, that women are superior to men.

[Anonymous No.6267568]

>>6266401
My guess would be he just means the ones that don't have any real story relevance. There's a few you could skip entirely and can just go through because they are there.

[Anonymous No.6267572]

>>6264819
>probably to mimic DQ's party chat
PS4 was years before DQ had party chat, my remake playing child.

[Anonymous No.6268176]

>>6267408
Decent bait, my dude

[Anonymous No.6268273]

>>6267485
Is a car equal or inferior to a boat?

[Anonymous No.6268274]

>>6267447
Phantasy Star Series, Chrono Trigger/Cross FFs 7, 8, 13, 15, Saga Frontier, Saga 1, 2 and 3, Metal Max Series, Cyber Knight's I and II, Star Ocean Series, Digital Devil Saga Series, and...in it original attempt to be the be all, end all sci fi Japanese Dune, Project Noah would have been, but then it became Xenogears/Saga and shit the bed totally.

[Anonymous No.6268294]

>>6267572
>my remake playing child

Party Chat has been around since the DQVII (PS) days, but I recognize my mistake. Mixed up IV and VII.

[Anonymous No.6269390]

Should I play PS2 before this one? Does it matter at all?

[Anonymous No.6269403]

>>6269390
PSI--> 1000 years--> PSII-->1000 years--> PSIII/IV

[Anonymous No.6269480]

>>6269390
If you're a completionist, perhaps.
>Does it matter at all?
Not really, no.

[Anonymous No.6269505]

>>6261404
its a very solid standalone title, but its true strength is being a meaty finale to the original series since a good deal of the game's major plot points somewhat fall flat if you're not intimate of the inner workings of the setting. if one is to judge PS4, might as well take the entire first four games into consideration

[Anonymous No.6270036]

>>6261456
This has to be bait, you can't be this retarded without an ulterior motive.
Alys is the mentor character from a number of Asian stories, she even has the mentor's sacrifice for he student. Only a fully retarded smoothbrain like you would have the uber-competent, known hero, mentor character as the main character of a an adventure story/game.

[Anonymous No.6270573]

>>6261404
this game had so many cool elements, i remember it fondly. some of the music was pretty great, but i kind of wish/wonder what it would be like with less techno/synth limitations, and more instrumental sounds like chrono trigger. just causally listening to the music is tough because the sounds are so sharp.

[Anonymous No.6271580]

>>6261436
>>>6261404 (OP)
>This game eats Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy for breakfast. Love them manga panels.
Finally, someone else said it besides me. PSIV fucking rules and they never followed it up because they couldn't make a better game. It's my favorite RPG of all time.

[Anonymous No.6271593]

>>6270573
Might have been interesting, but I think that sound works really well for the game and its setting.

[Anonymous No.6271606]

>>6270573
I never had a problem with the audio. The soundchip is perfect for techno, and that's the style that best matches a futuristic RPG. It'd sound better on a YM2151+PCM drums setup, but it is what it is. Phantasy Star wouldn't sound as good on an SNES chip with a low fi ADPCM orchestra. If it was on Sega CD I think it would sound more like Phantasy Star Online, and that was a great soundtrack too.

>>6262160
I agree and wish the SNES had a game with a battle system like that. I much prefer it to the Final Fantasy battle system in graphical style, perspective, and execution. At the same time, Phantasy Star 2 & 3's backgrounds and battle menus were atrocious, and 4 didn't come out until 1994/5 in the US so it was late in the life of the Genesis/MD. By that time a lot of SNES RPG development was moving to the PlayStation.

[Anonymous No.6271610]

Do I need to play other phantasy star games or can I just hop into this one?

[Anonymous No.6271614]

>>6266407
>Implying it would be better if one dumb asshole could solo the final boss

Do you even play RPGs, retard?

[Anonymous No.6271617]

>>6271580
It's a fairly common opinion in these parts, really. Becoming common enough that the contrarians are going to start hating it soon.

[Anonymous No.6271620]

>>6271610
Just hop in. There's 1000 years between PS1 & 2 and another 1000 years between 2 & 4. There are references to the other games but they're explained in the game. 4 was my first Phantasy Star game and it's by far the best.

[Anonymous No.6271629]

>>6261456
You do realize Phantasy Star was created by Phoenix Rie AKA Rieko Kodama, don't you retard? Rieko Kodama is a woman.

[Anonymous No.6271630]

>>6271617
I think it's aged better than the SNES RPGs because of all the remakes and sequels those SNES games have had.

[Anonymous No.6271680]

>>6262158
The 5th character is basically choosing your own difficulty level. You're party is quite obviously missing a healer so whoever you pick needs to take that role. Raja is easy mode if you want to finish the game quickly, walking away without talking to any former party members is the most difficult

[Anonymous No.6271804]

>>6271614
There are plenty of rpgs where there is only one playable character. The question is so YOU play rpgs?

[Anonymous No.6271986]

>>6271804
"THeRe aRe pLeNtY"

Name them, faggot

[Anonymous No.6271997]

>>6271986
Ys series, 7th Saga, Sword of Vermillion, Elder Scrolls series, Dragon Quest 1, shitloads of dungeon crawlers.

[Anonymous No.6272082]

>>6271629
So?

[Anonymous No.6274059]

>>6261404
>Not fighting the final battle with only four characters.

[Anonymous No.6274127]

>>6261436
>This game eats Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy for breakfast.
LMFAO

[Anonymous No.6274132]

>>6271986
>>6271997
lol BTFO
not to mention Ultima Underworld, Daggerfall, fucking DIABLO, etc etc

[Anonymous No.6274145]

>>6274127
not an argument

[Anonymous No.6274272]

>>6266407
>One person cannot hope to beat the PF by themselves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4AyMNBUHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKTs1E6xEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfEgrLWfRmM

[Anonymous No.6274291]

>>6274272
>obvious hacks

don't count

[Anonymous No.6274304]

>>6271620
They're not explained in PS4 at all. Like the cat that can open the jar. Not explained.

[Anonymous No.6274305]

>>6274272
This doesn't count because the profound darkness is jealous of her measurements and is distracted.

[Anonymous No.6274316]

>>6274291
Without hacks though, you need to have Wren alive at the start of the battle (he revives automatically outside of battles). If you can do it with Alys, you can do it with other characters. There's one with Chaz without hacks, but it cuts off at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MZZJvU58xo

Here's Rune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huiaiCiIUTo

[Anonymous No.6274318]

>>6274305
Good point.

[Anonymous No.6274327]

>>6274316
Alys is fucking dead! It's either a bug or a hack.

[Anonymous No.6274335]

>>6274327
I know, I wasn't denying it was a hack. There's no legitimate way to get Alys back obviously. I'm just saying hacks are the only way to play without having Wren alive at the start of the battle.

[Anonymous No.6274362]

>>6274272
>Megid doing that little of damage.

[Anonymous No.6275197]

>>6274272
Is there a Seth solo somewhere?

[Anonymous No.6275228]

>manga panels
>5 character party
>Excellent sprites with beautiful backgrounds
>Great QoL

This game was literally more ahead of its time than any other JRPG.

[Anonymous No.6275304]

>>6275197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnp4dplIT4E

[Anonymous No.6275315]

>>6275228
>5 character party

FFIV did that in 91.

[Anonymous No.6275321]

>>6265331
he said macros, not dual techs

[Anonymous No.6275323]

>>6275315
Faggot Fucks IV??? Sorry i dont play games made for fags.

[Anonymous No.6275337]

>>6275323
Still better than Pussy Substitute IV.

[Anonymous No.6275354]

>>6275323
>>6275337
excellent level of discourse

[Anonymous No.6275383]

>>6275315
What is, Phantasy Star III.
Wizardy had 6.

[Anonymous No.6275392]

>>6275337
Well its damn good sub for a pussy!

[Anonymous No.6275643]

>>6275321
You're a macro.

>>6275315
PSIII did it in 1990. : 3

[Anonymous No.6275869]

>>6261404
One of the greatest JRPG's of its generation. Not as good as Chrono/FF6 but miles ahead of shite like the Breath of Fire series.

[Anonymous No.6277030]

My favorite RPG. When I was a kid my uncle randomly gave me a box of SEGA games. Among them was this game. It was kinda new at the time. Anyway I was stuck on Zio. I could never beat him. I even ground myself to apx. level 40 by farming sandworms. No matter what I kept getting smoked.
>Use the Psyco Wand out of the inventory.
The whole time I was trying to smack him with it. Being power leveled for the rest of the game was kinda fun.

[Anonymous No.6277054]

Zio is such a great boss.
The way the game builds him up by showing you the scorched earth he's left behind, the fearful comments of the townspeople and then the insane behaviour of his cultists.
Then when you meet him he's legit scary for a sprite (that conversation with Alys where she tries to explain that if he destroys the solar system he'll die to, and he starts laughing and says yes, that will be glorious).
and the MUSIC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K90tPeGJNIk&list=PLmBphinVLUzQ9txIKQ78nFzCLcW_MTWfx&index=27
and then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao2LP75E7ac&list=PLmBphinVLUzQ9txIKQ78nFzCLcW_MTWfx&index=28
my hands were shaking both times I fought him on my very first playthrough.
Unfortunately he's almost too good since none of the other bosses in the game are build up to that extent... there is no foreshadowing or build-up to Lashiec, and Dark Force when it appears is just a blob, again with little build-up.
Phantasy Star 2 does it better.

[Anonymous No.6277108]

>>6277054
Yeah, they did a great job building him up over the first part of the game. One of my favorite boss fights in an RPG. He's easy now, but when I first played as a kid I found him really tough, and was stuck for a while. Very satisfying finally beating him.

[Anonymous No.6277549]

>>6261404

I love PSIV

The thing I probably love most about it is the speed, it's the fastest feeling JRPG I've ever played.

In combat you set your commands and then everything happens in like 5 seconds, your party also walks way faster than in any SNES rpg, the music is mostly fast tempo as well.

[Anonymous No.6280664]

>>6266453
No Seth Putnam. This list is gay.

[Anonymous No.6281087]

>>6280664
Caring About Clickbait Lists Is Gay (And Twitter Sucks Too)

[Anonymous No.6281094]

>>6277108
>>6277054
Now that I think of it, the story kinda goes downhill from there, doesn't it. Now I'm sad. : (

[Anonymous No.6281351]

>>6261436
honestly, they are all good

[Anonymous No.6283052]

bump

[Anonymous No.6284094]

>>6261782
>>6262002
>Spoilers
Absolutely peak taste. Numans are nice but I think the androids are my fav race in the old games.
>>6263850
I thought the Hunters Guild was a good way of accomplishing that at the time but it would be nice to have it expanded upon if they ever remade. As another anon said before too, the Easter eggs it does have are all really great (I like the souvernier shop a lot).
>>6266384
Funny how you mention Phantasia since I also agree. The Tales series is my current still going jrpg favorite but that's honestly only because they have yet to make another Phantasy Star to fully fill that hole (though I'd argue Xenoblade Chronicles X has been pretty close).
>>6277054
>>6277108
I agree with this too. I'm not so sure that I'd say the story goes downhill from there like >>6281094 says, but realizing the lack of build up everything else has in comparison is a bit sad (though I'd argue the reason it wasn't built up outside of time and space was since the enemies you fight afterwards are throwback enemies thst the series had already spent a good amount of time building up).

[Anonymous No.6284402]

>>6284094
d'awww
Wren and Mieu babbysittin' li'l Adan, Gwyn and Kara. Thank you for showing love to the red-headed step child of the series. I love PSIII, despite its obviously rushed, unfinished and unpolished final product. I imagine that if it got the same labour of love sort of treatment given to PSIV, it would have been great, perhaps surpassing PSIV in awesomeness.

I'd love to see a PSIV hack reboot of PSII and PSIII. Does that make sense? Like... hack PSIV to use the same story and flags and shit as its predecessors. Basically make the former games in PSIV's engine. They'd both benefit. Especially PSIII. PSIII had such great ideas but such horrible execution. It makes me sad. Almost as sad as the urgency drop of PSIV after you kill Fragile-onward era Trent Reznor. Zio really does look like 1999+ Trent, doesn't he? When I first saw Trent's new look back then, I was like "Oh shit. It's Zio."

[Anonymous No.6284453]

>>6262002
>>6262004

[Anonymous No.6284456]

>>6271997
Those aren't turn based RPGs, retard. They're just shitty action games.

[Anonymous No.6284460]

>>6272082
So you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.6284476]

>>6274304
>the obscure side quest of zero importance isn't explained

So?

[Anonymous No.6284481]

>>6274132
Not RPGs, retard.

[Anonymous No.6284506]

>>6284456
Dragon Quest 1 is.

[Anonymous No.6284654]

>>6284476
>So?
As in "so what?" As in "what's your point?" That sort of "so?"
Well, >>6271620 statement that
>[PSIV] makes references to the [earlier series titles], but they're explained in the game.
Is shown to be false by >>6274304's example of
>the cat that can open the jar
being an unexplained reference.
That's "so."
If you want to be truly pedantic, howsabout when the gang go visiting Grandfather Dorin for the alshline to cure Birth Valley of their stone curse?
That's referencing the exact same thing the cat with the jar is referencing. That reference also goes unexplained. Would you like some more, friend-o?

[Anonymous No.6284698]

>>6284654
You won't get all the references, but everything is still easy to understand. Alshline cures petrification, even if you don't know it was important in Phantasy Star 1. They explain the important things like who Lutz was. You'll appreciate things more if you've played everything, but it works fine if you haven't played the others. I played 4 before the rest.

[Anonymous No.6284713]

It's definitely a good JRPG and easily the best on the Genesis. Beats the fuck out of a lot of SNES JRPGs like Breath of Fire, Lufia, Earthbound etc. I don't think it stands up to any Square or Enix games honestly. Those two companies were the kings of the genre.

[Anonymous No.6284721]

>>6261973
Learn to report with your report button instead of making a show of powerlessly lecturing fucking trolls.

[Anonymous No.6284761]

>>6266493
>>6266393
>Retranslation

Why? Outside of some name shenanigans 4 had a remarkably strong translation.

[Anonymous No.6284801]

>>6284402
NP fellow PSIII fan, I feel the exact same. PSIV is the nicest to play out of all of them but PSIII's lore and attempts at having a generational system keeps it as my personal fav. A remake is unfortunately something we can only continue to dream on about (especially since even when they originally tried to remake the games they completely left PSIII out of it) but I know it'd be a great one if they did it right. It'd be really nice if they were able to remake all the games in PSIV's style too... I'm a bit surprised no one seems to have tried that in the old PS fangame community from what I've seen, but then again I don't feel there's even many games that took inspo from PSIV's battle and cutscene system which is criminal since it was so good. If only Sega actually cared for the original games instead of focusing on the PSO era of the series....

[Anonymous No.6284808]

>>6284698
That's nice, but a contradiction to the claim >>6271620 made that
>[PSIV] makes references to the [earlier series titles], but they're explained in the game.
It's either
>they're explained (protip: they're not)
or
>you won't get all the references
It can't be both.
It doesn't contradict >>6274304's claim that
>they're not explained

[Anonymous No.6284813]

>>6284808
It's not contradictory. Lutz's importance as an an ancient wizard is felt in the game and it makes sense. Having played 1 and 2 only adds extra context. The game explains the meaning and significance but knowing the series adds more flavor.

[Anonymous No.6284814]

>>6284713
DQ excepted, Enix RPGs are generally trash, tho. Like holy shit, are they bad.

[Anonymous No.6284826]

>>6284813
That's nice, but not relevant.
Stating that
>Lutz's importance as an an ancient wizard is felt in the game and it makes sense.
has no relevance to >>6274304's and >>6284654's examples showing that >>6271620's statement that
>[PSIV] makes references to the [earlier series titles], but they're explained in the game
is incorrect.

[Anonymous No.6284836]

>>6284826
No it's not. How much details do you need? Do you need a wiki entry every time someone makes a reference? Learn to suss things out for yourself.
>Here's a statue of the heroine Alis Landale. She was the heroine of the first game. She did XYZ IN EXTREME DETAIL.

[Anonymous No.6284849]

>>6284836
He knows what people mean, he's just being shallow and pedantic.

[Anonymous No.6284851]

>>6284836
That's nice. But It's either
> >>6271620 they're explained (protip: they're not)
or
> >>6284698 you won't get all the references
It can't be both.
Those two statements contradict one another. They are contradictions.
The existance of that contradiction contradicts >>6284813's claim that there's no contradiction.
You can try to appeal to absurdity in greentext as you did all you want, but it still doesn't address the root argument that >>6274304 made nor show >>6274304's and >>6284654's examples to be wrong, out of context or irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.6284852]

>>6284851
You're technically correct (the best kind of correct).

[Anonymous No.6284856]

>>6284852
I was waiting for this. Seriously. I started this whole 'tism tantrum specifically for someone to post this. I'm laughing aloud like a fucking lunatic right now. Quarantining is a helluva drug.

[Anonymous No.6284871]

>>6284856
You're a sick man, crashing this thread with no survivors.

[Anonymous No.6284873]

>>6284856
Well played anon

[Anonymous No.6284879]

Isn't it cute?

[Not really. No.6284958]

>>6284879
Not really.

[Anonymous No.6284964]

>>6284871
>Rika excited for the crash landing
>Rune telling Chaz to take a chill pill
>Wren minding his own business
>All while Chaz is the only one who freaks out
PSIV is a fun game.

[Anonymous No.6285025]

Noticed nobody linked to the 30th anniversary fanbook a fan did a few years back which includes many interviews with staff members plus some unseen art + cosplays since the fan who made it is mainly a cosplayer. Hope you enjoy it and join me once more in the pain of Sega's refusal to remember the original games much: https://mega.nz/#F!K2ZBBQ7Z!dpNrovveFPYUDV_gb6SLgA

[Anonymous No.6285026]

>>6285025
That sounds awesome, thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.6285037]

>>6285026
Np, an anon was both lucky and kind enough to buy, scan, and share it when it came out so I'm only passing it along. I only wish I was also able to buy it but I couldn't figure out how the website worked.

[Anonymous No.6285041]

>>6285025
> refusal to remember the original games much

Doesn't PSO2 have like remixes of PSIV and PSII songs and a AU Alis makes an appearance

[Anonymous No.6285051]

>>6285041
Does it? Outside the PSO tracks I wouldn't know. I know they did finally add classic PS outfits for the 30th anni in game and also actually acknowledged PSIII by including Rhy's outfit in it along with the AU Alis and Lutz you're talking about, but for being what the series is built on they barely seem to throw any bones at it.

[Anonymous No.6285106]

>>6285051
https://youtu.be/R39FuQXuN8M
https://youtu.be/P64WXJwvVbM

[Anonymous No.6285118]

>>6285106
Oh this is pretty cool. I remember they did a 25th anniversary concert for the whole series years ago but they kept the classic part very short so it's seeing/hearing that these exist at least.

[Anonymous No.6285119]

On the one hand, it's disappointin' that Sega doesn't reference or even try to revive the old entries in the series. On the other, I'm glad they don't bastardize their few good IP's like Squeenix did. It's up to autistic boomers to keep the old stuff alive.

[Anonymous No.6285129]

>>6285051

[Anonymous No.6285225]

>>6285129
glorious buttcheeks

[Anonymous No.6285250]

>>6264680
Chinamen take Hahn, pajeets take Raja. It's that simple. White people take _____ and that's why we're Superior

[Anonymous No.6285302]

>>6285129
I want 90's pauldrons to make a comeback.
The bigger, the better. Go full Langrisser.

[Anonymous No.6285345]

>>6284814
Okay, there's some turds like 7th Saga and Paladins Quest, but Star Ocean, Ogre Battle and the Quintet games were great.

[Anonymous No.6285389]

>>6285026
that cover is real cool.

[Anonymous No.6285398]

>>6285345
Those were brought to Ameriland by Enix rather than developed by Enix, no?

[Anonymous No.6286853]

>>6285302
Buddy you are singing to my choir.

[Anonymous No.6286896]

>>6285345
None of those games are better than Phantasy Star. Ogre Battle is great, though.

[Anonymous No.6288981]

>>6261404
I agree. The End of Millennium was a very well paced and fun JRPG. Up there with my favorites like Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Ys 4, FFT, etc. I am amazed at the love it has gotten in this thread, as no one back then liked anything from Sega. Perhaps the common theme among the JRPGs I like are they are fast, easy, but very well paced and PS4 does count as that.

[Anonymous No.6290761]

Since corona-chan has given me an abundance of time. is it worth playing through all 4 phantasy star RPGs or can I jump into PSIV without losing too much?

[Anonymous No.6290774]

>>6290761
Play 1 for a little while to see what the buzz was about. It gets brutal as you go. 2 is nightmare fuel with the dungeons and grinding. 3 is easy peasy. 4 you can play without knowing what happened before. It's a fantastic game, most likely the best RPG on the Genesis. You can always read up on what happened in the previous 3 elsewhere without it ruining things honestly. They're nowhere as polished.

[Anonymous No.6290792]

>>6290774
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6290803]

>>6290761
I don't think there is much you'd loose. But then again I only know a little about I think 1 or 3, and at the time just played IV because that looked like the most fun.

[Anonymous No.6290812]

>>6290761
1 is the grindiest RPG I have ever played (and I've played both DQ1 and 2). I stopped early in the game due to the excess amount of grinding you had to do. Shame too, because it wasn't a bad game, but the amount of grinding you had to do to make it playable was insanity.

[Anonymous No.6290829]

>>6290812
Not only that but if you grind too much your stats will roll over to zero due to a bug.

[Anonymous No.6290840]

>>6290829
That was in 4, not 1.

[Anonymous No.6290846]

>>6290812
There's actually not much grinding after the first hour or so.

[Anonymous No.6290873]

>Phantasy Star

I remember playing the java remake on my flip-phone back in the 00's.
It's called Phantasy Star Deluxe and I completely erased it from my memory until just now, crazy stuff.
Getting ready to play the originals right now.

[Anonymous No.6291593]

>>6290812
I don't know why you would go on the internet and lie. Not only is PS1 not grindy, there's really no point to it as you'll hit the very low level cap without even trying. The only time in the game you need to grind to progress is at the very beginning, you know like any 80's RPG not called Final Fantasy. You need enough money to buy the secret pass before you can do much, that's it. Any other time there's a money block, you can go somewhere else and explore something you couldn't before.