/CRT/ Thread

[Anonymous No.6235701]

Guess we don't have one, so /crt/ thread go.

Pictured: unmodded Atari 2600, probably my least played console. Dig Dug, one of my favorite old Namco games.

[Anonymous No.6235723]

>>6235701
>posts a shader that looks like shit
Troll.

[Anonymous No.6235746]

>>6235723
>Being retarded and/or paranoid

[Anonymous No.6235747]

>>6235746
>>6235723
>looks like shit
Well duh, it's an unmodded atari so it's using RF.

[Anonymous No.6235845]

>>6235701
That's a pretty clear image from an Atari. Looks great.

[Anonymous No.6235864]

>>6235701
>Guess we don't have one, so /crt/ thread go.
Old one got killed by stupid two week rule

[Anonymous No.6235897]

>>6235701
That looks so good

[Anonymous No.6236102]

>>6235746
Nice Panasonic. There are a lot of good non-Sony PVMs out there. The Sony units, I find, are nice but kind of overrated. I took a look at my friend's new 14M2U, and side-by-side with my JVC TM-1400SU you can see the Sony unit is slightly better, but I would be hard pressed to justify the $250 purchase price and the time spent RGB modding an N64. Especially when the JVC and Panasonic units can be had for $40-$60 and RGB modded if you wanted to.

By the way, what VCR is that? I am pretty sure I have the same model buried in the basement somwhere.

[Anonymous No.6236112]

>>6235897
It's a lot noisier on channel 3 for whatever reason. Using an old Panasonic VCR as a tuner.
>>6236102
>There are a lot of good non-Sony PVMs out there.
Having two Sonys as well, I could not agree more. They are kind of overrated as you say.
I actually just use S-video from my N64 because I only have a couple games for it and don't feel like it's worth the effort like it was for the Genesis/SNES to get RGB.
I really like tri-dot, though, and maybe eve prefer it. My PVM's sit largely unused except for when playing Smash Bros. with friends since one of them is 20 inches.
>JVC and Panasonic units can be had for $40-$60 and RGB modded if you wanted to.
Mine already has RGB BNC jacks on the back though. No modding needed on that end.
>What VCR?
Had to check, but it's a PV-V4521. Got it at a garage sale for $1 almost a decade ago.
>>6235864
>Royale noir
Back when I used Windows, one of the best themes along with the Zune one and XP Embedded.
>>6235897
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6236198]

>>6235746
hey wyatt, is the atari modded for rgb out? I have a question about possibly rgb modding a set for u babe

[Anonymous No.6236531]

>>6236102
>Lots of good non-sony pvms
NOOOOOOO DON'T LET PEOPLE KNOW I STILL SOMETIMES FIND DECENT DEALS ON "OFF BRAND" PVMS PLEASE DON'T TELL EVERYONE THAT THEY'RE OFTEN JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER REEEEEE

[Anonymous No.6236749]

>>6236531
Relax, it doesn't matter what's said here because it's ephemeral and not easily searchable. Worry if Redditors start posting "just picked up this Ikegami and WOW, SO MUCH BETTER THAN SONY PVM FOR LESS MONEY!"

[Anonymous No.6236781]

>>6235701
So you’ve played the FM Towns Marty and the Apple Bandai Pippin more?

[Anonymous No.6236796]

Fine art

[Anonymous No.6236808]

>>6236198
>OP says unmodded
>is it modded?

[Anonymous No.6236831]

>>6236781
Least played console that I have, you monumental faggot. You either knew what I meant or are just that fucking autistic.

[Anonymous No.6236927]

>>6236831
Kek. You’re fun.

[Anonymous No.6236962]

>>6236781
oh boy, we better watch out, kid here's read wikipedia

[Anonymous No.6236970]

>>6235701
Have one I took a few days back on my Toshiba

[Anonymous No.6236980]

>>6236927
Yep, I'm the life and soul of parties.
>>6236970
Don't recognize the game. Unless it's Megami Tensei or something? (Never played any of them, I just am familiar with them).
Pretty good looking slot mask. I'm not sure, but I might see a little purity issue in the top right corner? Could just be the camera or something though.

[Anonymous No.6236991]

>>6236749
It took around four years for more than maybe three people on this site to come around to the conclusion that PVM's aren't the end-all of monitors. It'll take at least that long for redditors to figure it out.
Get your monitors while you still can.

[Anonymous No.6237002]

>>6236980
Its SMT1, playing it through my sd2snes
As for the corner, I think it's because of my camera, Ive never noticed it before and I didnt reallt do much setup besides turn my lights off and point at the screen with my phone. Ill have to check it out later

[Anonymous No.6237007]

>>6236831
wyatt plz answer:
>>6236808
sorry im gay and a faggot transexual

[Anonymous No.6237014]

>>6237007
It's not modded. That's why I said it's not modded in the OP.
>>6237002
If it is a purity problem, I'm so, so sorry for drawing your attention to it. Nothing worse than knowing it's there once you've noticed it (It can't be unseen).

[Anonymous No.6237028]

>>6237007
also stop calling me that

[Anonymous No.6237043]

>>6237028
i was asking u about rgb modding another crt, ill hit u up on irc

[Anonymous No.6237049]

>>6236991
It's incredible how, not so long ago, PVMs and CRTs in general were not even on peoples' radar. I remember first finding out about them years ago from a thread on /a/. Nobody had a clue what they were and the poster had to explain that it was a Sony "professional video monitor". I picked up a 14" for $50 shortly thereafter. This was around 2012. Fast-forward to 2017 and suddenly interest in these has exploded. Prices similarly go through the roof around 2018.

I also remember seeing a thread on some gaming forum (pretty sure it was IGN) where a guy had picked up not one, but THREE HP A7217 monitors for $150. Everyone mocked him and commented on how "ugly" the monitors were. I thought they were really cool and remembering how I wanted to track one down. This was around 2011. But nobody else wanted these things. Now everyone is obsessed with the FW-900 variants, especially after that disastrous DF video. I figure those 3 HPs are probably worth about $5k combined if recent eBay sales are anything to go on.

[Anonymous No.6237060]

>>6237049
I'm happy I got mine when I did, too. Three free ones that should last me a long while, and later a Commodore 1942 for around $30 (only downside there is that it can't do composite video without something to convert it to RGB externally).

[Anonymous No.6237083]

What's the chances of CRTs going back into production?
I'm satisfied with my 400 TVL BVM but I'd still kill for an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.6237112]

>>6237083
0

[Anonymous No.6237174]

>>6237083
Basically zero. Even if there was some sort of growing consumer demand, environmental regulations and shipping costs would kill them. And CRTs were expensive when new. A common rule of thumb was that a "good" (ie, not a 60Hz flickerfest) monitor would retail for $50 per inch. Part of the reason why 21" Trinitron CRTs are so rare is because they cost an absolute fortune when new. I remember my dad was planning to buy a 21" Sony but backed out when he found out how expensive they were, opting for a 19" E400 instead (which still cost more than $700 on sale). Some Sun workstation monitors cost $8,000. It wasn't until the end of the CRT era when prices really began to fall.

Assume you could put a new Sony G500 or equivalent into production and sell it for $1,050, ignoring scale economies or inflation. Who would buy that when LCDs are almost as good for most purposes, and cost less than half for a larger screen? Not to mention the logistical challenge involved in manufacturing and distributing CRTs.

There is still very, very limited production of CRTs for use in things like medical equipment and aircraft, but the chances of consumer CRT production being restarted are basically zero. Figure out how to fix these things and do shit like build new flybacks from scratch.

[Anonymous No.6237201]

>>6237049
Genuinely have been looking for a fw-900 or any of it's variants for like 2 years now, may as well give up now after that df video months ago.

[Anonymous No.6237215]

>>6237083
ultra flat magnetic matrix displays are a possibility, that or SED/FED, never give up babe

[Anonymous No.6237219]

>>6237201
If you need 16:9 might as well give up.

[Anonymous No.6237225]

>>6237219
its 16:10

[Anonymous No.6237227]

>>6237201
Find alternatives (HP P1230, Diamondtron, Dell ultrascan) and never give up

[Anonymous No.6237239]

>>6237227
I was specifically looking for one or its variants because its 16:10, can play more modern stuff on it, though I do still need a better 4:3 monitor I only have a dell that's 1280x1024, as nice as it is.
>>6237219
It's looking that way yeah, it's just annoying playing shit on a crt and how nice it is, then having to swap back to my lcd to play modern widescreen content.

[Anonymous No.6237390]

>>6237083
Someone is going to buy up NOS CRTs from China or India and repackage them as "new" CRTs to be sold as retro displays.

[Anonymous No.6237579]

VGA is an analog signal right?
Can I get a convertor cable to go from VGA to RGB to plug a laptop into my CRT tv?

There are plenty of VGA-RGB cables on ebay but they don't state if they're rgb in vga out or vice versa

I looked into getting real hardware for SNES and N64 but I don't have the money for the consoles + flashcarts and it would be kind of hard to justify even if I could, I've got an old thinkpad lying around I was going to use instead as a permanent retro machine

[Anonymous No.6237598]

>>6237579
>VGA to RGB

[Anonymous No.6237612]

>>6237201
Get a KV-30XBR910 before others figure out how great the HDTV CRTs really are.

>muh lag

[Anonymous No.6237614]

>>6237612
>not an xbr960

[Anonymous No.6237674]

>>6237215
Abandoning both Plasma and SED for LCD was a mistake. But at least Plasma got to see the light of day, and it was nice while it lasted. There is no excuse for my run-of-the-mill Pioneer from 2008 to outperform modern TVs in the same size category.

>>6237201
I was so fucking sad when my HP 7217A died. I knew it would be impossible to replace. I did thankfully find someone willing to at least try repairing it, it's going to be a total of 10 hours of driving (2.5 hours there and back, twice), but I'll probably get around to doing that in the spring. If it's a recap then I'm good. If it's a dead flyback then I am fucked.

>>6237174
Funny you mention the prices. For years, my dad used an NEC Accusync 120. It was a solid monitor; 21", could do 1600x1200 at 75 Hz. I remember he bought it in 2005 for just over $150 Canadabux, and a year earlier they had been listed for almost $500. Stores were basically giving these things away near the end.

[Anonymous No.6237696]

>>6237614
I figure he wants something smaller if he's looking for an FW-900.

RCA made some widescreen CRTs too, maybe smaller than 30".

[Anonymous No.6237719]

>>6237612
I have a 36" Toshiba HD CRT that I use as my everyday television. It's great for widescreen DVDs, 7th gen consoles, and presumably 8th gen (though I've only tested it with a Nintendo Switch). It even accepts digital TV input, so it handled that transition just fine. The thing is, everything 6th gen and older (so, 6th gen plus all the /vr/ stuff) looks like crap on it. Not nearly as bad as LCDs, but pretty bad nonetheless. It's also heavy as all fuck, which I admit has been a contributing factor in me keeping it. I think it is going to be a while before the HD-CRT feeding frenzy, because all the usual suspects aren't interested.

[Anonymous No.6237798]

>>6237719
You need to connect it to a computer and run RetroArch and CRT-Aperture shader on it.
Then you'll see.

[Anonymous No.6237862]

>>6237083
0.00000%
>>6237201
There are plenty of great non-FW900 monitors out there.

[Anonymous No.6237904]

>>6237579
>VGA is an analog signal right?
Yes.
>Can I get a converter* cable to go from VGA to RGB
VGA is RGB with separate H/V sync, so it already is in RGB.
That's why >>6237598 greentexted that; because you're stupid.
>to plug a laptop into my CRT tv?
Depends. Do you have a radeon GPU? If so, yes. Otherwise it likely won't go to a low enough scan rate for you to drive a ~15.6KHz tv.

[Anonymous No.6237909]

>>6237904
Also you'll need an OR gate IC (or similar) to convert H/V sync into composite sync.

[Anonymous No.6237916]

>>6237904
Note that I have not tested matrox or 3dfx or SIG cards, but who the fuck uses those now for emulation.

Also it'll be easier in linux.

[Anonymous No.6237927]

>>6237862
>0.00000%
They're still being manufactured, stupid. And when the hipster demand rises enough they will obviously come out with LE RETRO GAMING CRTs, right now it's just factory and military applications.

[Anonymous No.6237948]

>>6237927
First off, link to a color CRT still in general production. Prove your point.
Otherwise, you're just a fucktard.

[Anonymous No.6237958]

>>6237927
First off, link to a color CRT still in production. Prove your point. (A warehouse of unused old stock doesn't count; they must still be actively making them).
Otherwise, you're just a fucktard.

[Anonymous No.6238003]

More av modded famicom pics.

[Anonymous No.6238043]

[Anonymous No.6238052]

>>6237958
Zoomer need spoonfeed. Zoomer get spoonfed.
>Will CRTs be available for years to come?
>Indeed, they will.
https://www.thomaselectronics.com/faq/

[Anonymous No.6238059]

>>6237612
>>6237696
It was more for computer games, I have been thinking about trying a HD crt for newer console games though, always just the size that puts me off, would need to get someone to put aside a few hours on the weekend to tag along and help me get it in the van since they're not a one man job.
>>6237862
There are but 4:3 it's really a shame the crt era ended right about as people switched to wide-screen so there's really not much wide-screen computer monitors. Just tv's
>>6237674
Yeah crazy how my Panasonic plasma I've got in the living room looks better than a lot of brand new TVs, despite being a 2011 model, hopefully you can get the hp variant fixed as well lad.

[Anonymous No.6238204]

>>6238059
I think Panasonic’s in general have better looking panels, I have a 4K Oled for a bit over a year now and it still looks fantastic

[Anonymous No.6238226]

Do they even make OLED monitors yet?

[Anonymous No.6238229]

>>6238226
Yeah dell and Acer have some I think

[Anonymous No.6238231]

>>6238226
There's a few but they're more for artists and only around 20 inch like the asus pq22u and very expensive, very niche market I suppose.
>>6238204
Probably going to keep it till it pops then look into an OLED for my movie watching.

[Anonymous No.6238234]

>>6238229
>Acer
I meant Asus

[Anonymous No.6238389]

>>6238059
my parents have a 1080p 52" plasma panasonic set as well. Hoping when they get rid of it they think of me.
Quite happy with all my CRT's at the moment, though.

[Anonymous No.6238393]

>>6238052
Nowhere on that page does it specify picture tubes.
Other kinds of CRT's are, indeed, still produced. Color picture tubes are not. Stop being pedantic, or if you accidentally jumped to that conclusion learn to fucking read.

[Anonymous No.6238425]

>>6237798
Eh, I have a 4:3 CRT that does all that natively without the trickery. HDCRT is only for newer content. My wife wants to get rid of it because of the bulk and relatively small screen size, but being Jewish she’s prevented from throwing out or deliberately destroying something that still works. Her genes won’t let her do it. So the HDCRT lives on, possibly for another 20 years. Same goes for my 1994 Volvo 940.

>“We should get a newer car”
>but the Volvo still works
>okay nvm

>>6237862
Very few widescreen CRT computer monitors though. They were a rare breed.

>>6238204
>>6238231
Plasmas are pretty fucking durable. The average half-life of a panel is 60,000 hours. Even if you used your Plasma for an average of 3 hours per day, it would last 54 years. Based on my experience that is hardier than a CRT. Japanese panels are quality too, so they won’t be killed by something stupid like a capacitor.

[Anonymous No.6238429]

>>6238425
I just stuff my stuff away in a room and nobody ever has to see it.
>“We should get a newer car”
Not married or in a relationship right now but damn I don't want to imagine getting rid of my ford orion, love the thing.
>Plasmas are pretty fucking durable.
Yeah It'll probably last a long time you're right, the hitachi lcd I had before lasted like 3 years and then shat the bed, was a horrible tv didn't even have a hdmi port, was a dvi port you had to use an adaptor for, think it was 1280×720 as well had one of those "game modes" that made it look like you'd just smeared vaseline all over the screen.

[Anonymous No.6238448]

>>6238425
>Eh, I have a 4:3 CRT that does all that natively without the trickery.
Unless you have a PVM or BVM you don't.

[Anonymous No.6238452]

>>6238425
>so they won’t be killed by something stupid like a capacitor.
I don't believe you

[Anonymous No.6238453]

>>6238448
untrue:

rca mm36100

[Anonymous No.6238457]

>>6238425
>My wife wants to get rid of it because of the bulk and relatively small screen size, but being Jewish she’s prevented from throwing out or deliberately destroying something that still works. Her genes won’t let her do it.

what the fuck am I reading? Jewish Genes?

[Anonymous No.6238574]

>>6238393
They say "We offer multi color, segmented screens for full color output with a single electron."
Here's another company.
https://www.relltubes.com/products/CRTs/Color-CRT.html?PgSz=10&PgSt=6
Richardson Electronics offers a complete line of color open frame display products, including CRTs (Cathode Ray Tubes) from 1.5" to 23" and ruggedized monitors from 5" to 20".
Select new, original equipment CRTs assured to deliver the precise color alignment and convergence expected in high-performance, state-of-the-art broadcast equipment from Barco, Conrac, Ikegami, Panasonic, Sony and other major manufacturers' products. CRTs with the correct color matched phosphor blends and resolution requirements (previously hard to find) are available off-the-shelf.

[Anonymous No.6238583]

>>6238393
Here's yet another company making "color CRT displays". Here is a link to a specific model, sorry to destroy your narrative.
https://dotronix.com/our-work/dnr-series/

[Anonymous No.6238662]

>freeL5cunt make the general
>no OP text
>also still wanting attention despite pretending otherwise

cunt, cunt never changes

[Anonymous No.6238720]

How do you actually tell what the max refresh rate on a monitor is, specs for a Dell E771p on cnet just list it's native output.

[Anonymous No.6238728]

>>6238720
https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-e771p/
>Max V-Sync Rate
160 Hz

That's probably at a resolution of 640x480 in 16 color mode.

[Anonymous No.6238737]

>>6238453
That's a slot mask TV/monitor. It's not going to look the same as a PVM, BVM, or a HDTV CRT running CRT-aperture.
It will arguably look better depending on a person's taste. I'd rather have it over a PVM.

However, the statements
>HDCRT is only for newer content.
> everything 6th gen and older (so, 6th gen plus all the /vr/ stuff) looks like crap on it. Not nearly as bad as LCDs, but pretty bad nonetheless.
Are simply false with developments in shader technology. With Retroarch and shaders these CRTs can produce incredible pictures for /vr/ content. The fact that people are not willing to take the steps necessary to do it is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.6238824]

>>6238728
I think I'm being an idiot mainly, because either the default windows display stuff only lets me put it up to 85hz at any resolution or because I'm using a cheapish display port adaptor that's the max that thing will output.

[Anonymous No.6238847]

>>6238824
Go to advanced display settings and "list all modes"

[Anonymous No.6238875]

>>6237049
revisionist history. scanline filters have been a feature in emulators for well over 20 years.

[Anonymous No.6238878]

>>6238737
>With Retroarch and shaders...
you can get a vague approximation of something that looks much better

[Anonymous No.6238892]

What's a good and cheap CRT TV/Monitor ?

thanks

[Anonymous No.6238896]

>>6238892
I mean the models aren't really the thing when looking for cheap monitors, it's not like you're looking for them at a store, you take what you can get locally that's working, if you want something higher end you look around for weeks or months and see what pops up.

[Anonymous No.6238902]

>>6238878
Incorrect.
With a high resolution high performance PC CRT and proper shader set-up you can get an image that has better accuracy in terms of geometry, focus, convergence, bloom, and color accuracy than any other type of CRT running in native resolution. The usual trade-off with shaders are a reduction in brightness, however with CRT shaders on a CRT you do not need many effects and the shader can be tweaked to have thin scanlines (unlike 240p120 mode) which enables more of the screen to be active and thus brighter. The screen will still be less luminous than a PVM or BVM at usual settings, but on the other hand 80-120 cd/m2 is recommended for the absolute best color accuracy when calibrating professional displays and doing color critical work. Which a PC CRT running a shader would be about that level of brightness.

Try it yourself. Give it an honest try, not just messing around.

[Anonymous No.6238904]

>>6238892
If you find something that has the letters NEC on it you should probably buy it.

[Anonymous No.6238908]

>>6237049
You were just in the wrong circles of the internet. Neo-Geo.com and BYOAC had been into CRT autism for years beforehand. However, attitudes about which CRT was best were very different. PVMs were considered a compromise when you couldn't get your hands on a real arcade monitor. Even back then they were considered too sharp.

[Anonymous No.6238909]

>>6238847
Nah still 85hz max, probably the adaptor then, gonna have to look around for good hdmi>vga or DP>vga, not too pricey though maybe £30 max.

[Anonymous No.6238928]

>>6238892
found one on the side of the ride a year or so back, it is tiny, 14 inches and only 54 khz, can barely do hd lmao but it runs nice and smoothly, honestly any crt monitor or tv you can find that functions will be nice, enjoy it babe

[Anonymous No.6238938]

>>6238574
"with a single electron"
That's not going to be a typical picture tube, then, because those use three electron guns.
I need a picture of one before I'll believe it's a picture tube.

[Anonymous No.6238939]

>>6237201
Stop looking for an individual monitor and just look for good monitors.
You'll come across a 21" 4:3 monitor with capabilities similar to the FW-900 if you keep at it. Modern PC games can be modded to support 4:3 mode a lot of the time if they don't support it out of the box. Dark Souls 3 in 4:3 is awesome.

[Anonymous No.6238941]

>>6238574
>conrac
has been dead for six years.
>barco
dead longer.
>select new, original equipment
obviously NOS. Not new tubes being manufactured today.

[Anonymous No.6238950]

>>6238425
Hey hey, I have a Volvo 245. Keep yours rolling.
>>6238448
>unless you have a pvm or bvm you don't
Any non-Sony monitor will do that too. Also european SCART TV's are a thing that exist.
So are old 15khz PC CRT's, like the amiga used.
>>6238662
>no OP text
last CRT thread didn't have it and didn't link back either. I didn't want to spend five years looking.
Sorry you feel that way.
>also still wanting attention despite pretending otherwise
Anyone who posts photos wants attention.

[Anonymous No.6238951]

>>6238892
Toshiba 27" SDTV with component input. I see them at every vendor's mall.

[Anonymous No.6238964]

>>6238939
I mean I already said that in later posts, I've got a decent monitor and still looking for better ones, but a 16:10 monitor has always been a search of mines for probably over 2 years at this point, pipe dream then but impossible now because even if i found one it would be fuck off expensive. got a fine enough 20 inch scart daewoo tv and a 17 inch dell monitor atm.

[Anonymous No.6238969]

>6238950
>warosu is 5 years search

[Anonymous No.6238970]

>>6238941
sorry, barco's not dead. but its CRT line is.
Conrac is certainly dead though.

[Anonymous No.6238971]

>>6238950
>Any non-Sony monitor will do that too. Also european SCART TV's are a thing that exist.
>So are old 15khz PC CRT's, like the amiga used.
Those will be shadow mask or slot mask. They won't look like a PVM or BVM. They will look good (actually better for many games imo), but not the same.

The only way to get that razor sharp look is with aperture grill, or a high resolution display simulating it. An amiga monitor running 240p will look soft and have far less noticeable scanlines.

[Anonymous No.6238973]

>6238969
>not understanding hyperbole
>being autistic
>>6238971
I prefer my tridot displays to my pvm.

[Anonymous No.6238974]

>>6238971
reminder that scanlines are a defect and that OP's monitor has more TVL than many PVM's (750).

[Anonymous No.6238979]

>>6238971
>The only way to get that razor sharp look is with aperture grill

source: your ass

[Anonymous No.6238982]

>>6238979
Well, there are some exceptions. There are a handful of high resolution tri-dot shadow mask displays which support 15 khz mode. A Mitsubishi Diamondscan would be one of those. Since the dot pitch on that monitor is very fine (relative to 240p mode) you'll still get very sharp graphics and thick scanlines.

[Anonymous No.6238987]

>>6238938
>NOOOOO IT CAN'T BE TRUE!!!! THEY DON'T MAKE CRTS ANY MORE!!!!
>I need a picture of one
Here you go.
https://dotronix.com/our-work/dnr-series/

[Anonymous No.6238990]

>>6238982
Also of course there is 240p120 mode, which will work with many PC CRT monitors, but I don't consider it a "real" 240p mode most of the time. But that's wrong because it literally is.

In fact a Viewsonic 21" PC CRT is a prime candidate for CRT shader usage.

[Anonymous No.6239009]

>>6238987
>Enter Sadler and his company, Dotronix Technology in New Brighton, Minn. Dotronix specializes in cathode ray tube monitors, or CRTs, the technology pushed out by the arrival of flat screens in the early 2000s. Sadler’s business almost went under at the start of the century, until the Museum of Modern Art in New York came knocking.
>Those working on the issue worry that the parts needed to keep the monitors running and the engineers with the knowledge to fix them will soon no longer exist. That’s only a matter of time, Sadler said.
>Sadler had CRTs and processors in stock when the market collapsed in the early 2000s. He actively searches for companies that have shelved their working CRTs and scours e-Bay and other websites for parts.
>“Once the picture tubes are gone, that’s a showstopper,” he added. “I don’t know what the museums are going to do in the future. Convince the artists to go to a flat panel? Not much you can do.”

Source: Washington post.

[Anonymous No.6239015]

>>6238982
Reminder that >>6238974
>>6238987
>No price or vendors listed
>Not even a link to the mentioned PDF manual
Riiight. That could just be an old product they still have listed. I would appreciate concrete proof.
You're getting warmer though. I hope you're right. I just don't think you are without further evidence.

[Anonymous No.6239016]

>>6239009
Haha, busted.

[Anonymous No.6239018]

>>6239015
Composite video btw

[Anonymous No.6239028]

>>6239015
>scanlines are a defect
Indeed. That's why I said earlier in the thread that years ago PVMs were considered a compromise solution when looking for a 15khz RGB monitor.

To circle back around to the original premise of this:

On a HDTV CRT you can apply shaders with RetroArch that will allow you to fine tune the thickness of scanlines so they will be very thin compared to the very thick graphics lines (I know the graphics lines are the real "scanlines" but anyway). So you can simulate a low TVL display.

[Anonymous No.6239034]

>>6239016
What a great guy
>“A CRT is a light engine more than anything,” Sadler said, explaining how the CRTs and flat panels are vastly different. With a CRT, he said, “the image is written by a beam of light.”
>“The curved screens, the warmth of the screen, the sound the screen makes when it’s running. These are physical and visual things that are part of the aesthetic,”

[Anonymous No.6239235]

>>6239034
Damn look at those wide mommas

[Anonymous No.6239714]

>>6239034
M-Mister Braun?

[Anonymous No.6239773]

>>6239235
>>6239714
I found pictures, According to the shmups guy, this thing costs $2595 ( RGB-only), And the model (DNR27) >>6238987
with component, s-video and composite $2494.

[Anonymous No.6239816]

>>6239773
It's probably the same tube used in the late generation 29" slot mask arcade monitors.

[Anonymous No.6239865]

>>6239773
>this thing costs $2595
definitely not worth it

[Anonymous No.6239871]

>>6238902
I've given it numerous tries and it always ends up being a disappointing waste of time

[Anonymous No.6239995]

>>6239871
what was your set-up?

[Anonymous No.6239996]

>>6238951
Isn't SCRAT input better ?

[Anonymous No.6240001]

>>6239996
In theory: yes.
In practice: sometimes no.

If you're in a country with SCART input your choices of CRTs are very different from the USA and Canada. Some other anon will have to help with that.

[Anonymous No.6240009]

>>6240001
I'm from France so most of CRT monitor have a SCRAT input here.

[Anonymous No.6240043]

>>6240009
Most TV's have RGB input over SCART but its always good to look at manuals online or test the tv yourself with a RGB input because some cheaper models have one SCART input and there's a small chance it's composite over SCART only. As well cables are usually composite over scart because scart is just a connection standard, you have to make sure your cables are actually wired up for rgb or buy from a reputable source like retrogamingcables.co.uk. If it's a tv from around the mid 90's forward it can usually do 60hz PAL over rgb if your console is set up for 60hz, with you being in France though you've got SECAM thrown into the mix and honestly I have noidea about that but tv's should have compatibility because the rest of europe uses PAL.

[Anonymous No.6240047]

>>6240043
Should note rgb is good for me because it bypasses NTSC meaning I can hook up whatever I want and have it display at 60hz on my crt, from my limited understanding anyway.

[Anonymous No.6240560]

>>6240043
>60hz PAL over rgb

[Anonymous No.6240580]

>>6240560
pal60 was on modchipped ps1's in Russia to play ntsc games, because pal ps1 don't have ntsc decoder. and it's looks better than ntsc, and don't have pal 50hz slowdown on lazy pal ports. also GameCube had some pal60 games.

[Anonymous No.6240654]

>>6240580
>60hz PAL over rgb

[Anonymous No.6240674]

>>6236796
That is sexy as fuck

[Anonymous No.6240787]

>>6240654
it's ntsc with pal color decoding. it's not pure rgb. just Google pal60

[Anonymous No.6240789]

>>6240787
* pal encoding, and not true default pal, only multiformat tvs support it
fix

[Anonymous No.6240796]

>>6240654
ok. from fucking wikipedia:
Many 1990s-onwards videocassette recorders sold in Europe can play back NTSC tapes. When operating in this mode most of them do not output a true (625/25) PAL signal, but rather a hybrid consisting of the original NTSC line standard (525/30), but with colour converted to PAL 4.43 MHz—this is known as "PAL 60" (also "quasi-PAL" or "pseudo-PAL") with "60" standing for 60 Hz (for 525/30), instead of 50 Hz (for 625/25). Some video game consoles also output a signal in this mode. Notably, the PlayStation 2 did not actually offer a true PAL 60 mode; while many PlayStation 2 games did offer a "PAL 60" mode as an option, the console would in fact generate an NTSC signal during 60 Hz operation. Most newer television sets can display such a signal correctly, but some will only do so (if at all) in black and white and/or with flickering/foldover at the bottom of the picture, or picture rolling (however, many old TV sets can display the picture properly by means of adjusting the V-Hold and V-Height knobs—assuming they have them). Some TV tuner cards or video capture cards will support this mode (although software/driver modification can be required and the manufacturers' specs may be unclear). A "PAL 60" signal is similar to an NTSC (525/30) signal, but with the usual PAL chrominance subcarrier at 4.43 MHz (instead of 3.58 as with NTSC and South American PAL variants) and with the PAL-specific phase alternation of the red colour difference signal between the lines.

[Anonymous No.6240826]

>>6240580
Are you sure it was pal60, rgb skips colour encoding, pal 60 wouldnt solve NTSC output from games.

[Anonymous No.6240835]

>>6240560
You know what I'm trying to say though don't you, rgb skips colour encoding so you get 60hz on most PAL televisions, plus pal 60 does exist a lot of ps2 games specifically go "PAL 60 MODE LETS GO PAL" and some gamecube.

[Anonymous No.6240905]

>>6240674

[Anonymous No.6241363]

>>6239865
I'd agree, but I'm not surprised. This technology never got any cheaper to produce since it fell out of favor. I'm happy to know that brand new RGB-compatible CRTs are still being made. Means that the hobby won't die out once the old monitors do.

[Anonymous No.6241378]

>>6239865
That's a week at work for me pal, get a better job.

[Anonymous No.6241379]

>>6241363
I thought he was using shelved parts?
Once the picture tubes are gone, as said above, it's gg for CRTs.

Hopefully SED comes back or something.

[Anonymous No.6241382]

>>6236796
You know you have reached peak /crt/ when you don't even have to plug anything into your set to enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.6241723]

>>6241378
good for you?
would you waste a weeks work for that?

[Anonymous No.6241826]

>>6241723
>would you spend half a week's wages on an ugly one that has been in a hoarder's basement and has no warranty, has a brand label on the front, and dust in the inside or spend a full week's wages on a better looking, new one that no one else has used
I'll go with the better option, I play video games every day so it's worth it for me to have nice equipment. I understand if you're a NEET.

[Anonymous No.6241851]

>>6241826
why are you trying to brag and bag on /vr/, I don't understand your reasoning

[Anonymous No.6242425]

I had no idea there were Trinitron line Sony CRTs with flat screens. Pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.6242427]

>>6242425
Those are the only kind I can get my hands on

[Anonymous No.6242720]

Have an opportunity to pick up a JVC TM-1400SU for $40. Worth it? It doesn’t have RGB but an equivalent Sony PVM costs three times as much.

[Anonymous No.6242735]

>>6239871
What was your set-up?

[Anonymous No.6242741]

>>6242425
Tons of them of many sizes and colors both SD, HD, and PC CRT. They get discussed here all the time.

[Anonymous No.6242745]

>>6241851
>having a normal wage is now bragging

[Anonymous No.6242921]

>>6242720
Probably not. On top of not having RGB (which is the main reason to spring for a pro monitor in the first place), it uses a proprietary Y/C connection. There are consumer sets that size with S-Video and component that could probably be found for cheaper.

[Anonymous No.6243980]

turning the chroma up a notch with s-video is a great alternative to RGB

[Anonymous No.6244783]

>>6242741
You're a fucking retard cunt. Do you seriously think you're witty or smart? Kill yourself, you piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.6245004]

>>6235746
Why are you using shaders on a CRT? That completely defeats the purpose.

[Anonymous No.6245178]

>>6245004
>being this retarded

What about that looks like a shader to you?
Also this crt only works at 15khz.
And how would I run a shader in between the 2600 and the screen?
Same game in an emulator.

[Anonymous No.6245223]

>>6245178
Put on a "good" shader and you'll see why people are confused.
It just looks like a shitty CRT Royale variant, which are good in terms of replicating CRT fuzziness.
CRT Royale is a popular and highly configurable shader with advanced features.

[Anonymous No.6245227]

Will vintage PC CRTs ever reach the level of interest PVMs got to?

[Anonymous No.6245310]

>>6245223
okay, so I guess it's just people who are so ultra-paranoid about being bait-and-switched that they make false positives whenever they see video from an RF tuner on a high-end CRT? (I'm using my VCR to tune to channel 2 and output a composite signal.)

>>6245227
It'll take a long time, but eventually, as CRT's in general become ever-scarcer, yes (“They aren't making any more of these.”)
Does that mean they should? Probably not. But they will.

[Anonymous No.6245723]

I love the style of this game but hate the grinding. It's like people complained PS 1 was too short and so Sega said "Okay, we'll make it longer by making it really fucking slow."
I'm still going to play it through to the end though. This time for sure.

[Anonymous No.6245739]

>>6237579
Use ATi HD 5000+ with CRT_Emudriver. You can configure CSYNC out from VGA rather than HV sync that VGA normally uses. You may also need a video amp depending on your display. Otherwise if you use Linux you can probably figure out how to do it natively with a bit of reading.

[Anonymous No.6245741]

>>6243980
Imbecile

[Anonymous No.6245746]

>>6241363
They aren't still being made. They're using new old stock tubes. Once those are gone, there'll be nothing left. They are not still in production.
>>6245723
Holy shit, that looks stellar.

I have nothing new to contribute photo-wise, as my only camera is out of charge and my phone's lens is scratched. So have an old pic.

[Anonymous No.6245768]

>>6243980
Except that it's really not going to make the chroma bleed better or the reds less purple when you do that (note that these problems are more apparent on some encoder chips than others. S-Video modded Genesis/Mega Drive systems show that problem usually).

[Anonymous No.6245776]

lol just use rf on a random hand-me-down tube

[Anonymous No.6245898]

>>6245776
I'd rather use an LCD with two seconds of lag than RF.

[Anonymous No.6245931]

>>6245310
Yes, it means shaders have become so good that angry little fuckwads can't tell the difference anymore unless that poster is false flagging.

[Anonymous No.6245964]

>>6245227
PC CRTs are heavily underrated. I have a PVM, a high end CRT monitor and use to have a upper-middle-tier CRT monitor. Honestly the mid-tier one was the best for games. When I fired that thing up for the first time in +10 years it blew my fucking mind. Unfortunately, it flickers 10 times a second now and I don't know if it can be fixed.

[Anonymous No.6245969]

>>6245746
>They aren't still being made. They're using new old stock tubes. Once those are gone, there'll be nothing left. They are not still in production.
I don't understand how there hasn't been someone autistic enough to make new tubes. Even if the end result was shit. A good chunk of the process was mostly done by hand.

[Anonymous No.6246096]

>>6245969
Probably because manufacturing CRTs violates environmental protection laws. A shitton of lead go into those things and proper recycling was a huge deal which is why there were free bulk trash collection days for people to leave their TV on the curb instead of rolling it down a hill.

[Anonymous No.6246170]

>>6245969
There are a few barriers to making new tubes. One is precisely because of the handwork - as far as I know the glass tubes have to be wound by hand which is a very hard thing to master, and not many people around that know how to do it. Then there's equipment and infrastructure, and best bet would be finding decommissioned gear and being able to restore to working condition which would require a wealth of knowledge, if you could ever find what you need. Then you need to source a reliable supply of electron guns/yokes. Depending on location environmental laws may get in your way too. The next best step is tube rebuilding, a museum was going to offer a service and training but have put it on hold, so an individual got the rebuilding equipment and learned how to do it from a place in France that was closing down. He's hoping to offer a service and ramping up at the end of the year once he's retired from the Navy and will hopefully have all the equipment working.

[Anonymous No.6246903]

>>6238974
why are they a defect?

[Anonymous No.6246928]

>>6246170
ignore all that shit and go with FED/SED or magnetic matrix displays

[Anonymous No.6247021]

>>6246928
OLED is the only hope for good colors when the last CRT eventually bites the dust.

[Anonymous No.6247042]

>>6247021
OLED and HDMI 2.1

[Anonymous No.6247049]

>>6247021
OLED is a meme. They're never, ever going to be able to fix the burn-in or crazy disparate subpixel lifespans. There's a reason why they aren't making oled monitors, because you'd brick your screen with a ghosted image of your taskbar in a day. Oh, you're playing vidya with fixed UI elements? Those will burn-in nicely too.

Manufacturers are focusing on MicroLED which will put OLED in the ground. Hope you weren't stupid enough to spend several thousand dollars on some shitty OLED screen.

[Anonymous No.6247052]

>>6247049
I've had a LG OLED for over a year now, no burn in at all. It looks amazing. Did you get some shit quality OLED or something?
If burn in was a real problem on the good models, you would hear more about it other than from bitter CRT hoarders.

[Anonymous No.6247056]

>>6247049
CRTs have burn-in, too.

[Anonymous No.6247057]

>>6247049
Why do all miss-informed dipshits exaggerating anything and everything type talk like this?

[Anonymous No.6247068]

>>6247049
>Burn in
Just buy LG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlP2kwNqXNA

[Anonymous No.6247078]

>>6247052
>>6247056
>>6247057
>>6247068
Sorry you overpaid for an intermediate technology. HD DVD fags felt the same buyer's remorse that you're feeling right now.

[Anonymous No.6247082]

>>6247078
At least your consistent with your condescending drivel.

[Anonymous No.6247097]

>>6247082
You do realize how ridiculous a statement this: >>6247021 is, right? They're working on replacing OLED right now. Right this second. High-end MicroLED TVs already exist, and affordable models will be trickling down to consumers soon. Do you seriously believe that OLED will even be remotely relevant, let alone the "only hope for good colors" when "the last CRT eventually bites the dust", in however many fucking decades that is.

[Anonymous No.6247112]

>>6247056
Burn-in was only really a problem on old tubes. My CRT monitor that I've been using for almost 2 decades now does not have a single sign of burn in, yet there are thousands of people with 2-3 year old OLED phones with a burned screen.

[Anonymous No.6247120]

Friendly reminder that this was the best OLED screen in the whole world since last month, when the S20 was released.

[Anonymous No.6247123]

>>6247097
I wasn't saying MicroLEDs replacing OLEDs was wrong. I was saying how hard exaggerating the cons of OLEDs perfectly fit the delivery.

[Anonymous No.6247398]

I was playing FF 7 earlier and I noticed Aeris has a TV that looks very similar to a PVM-2030.

[Anonymous No.6247646]

>>6247120
A CRT will do that too if you leave a static image on 24/7 for 2 years

[Anonymous No.6247692]

>>6247646
It happens to users too, just search for Galaxy phones on eBay, there's plenty of them with similar issues. Also, I keep my CRT turned on for at least 12h a day and the Windows taskbar still isn't burned on the screen. And I have never seen a CRT made after the 90s with a TV channel logo burn-in, like it used to happen to Plasma and still happens to current OLED TVs. Pic related, some LG OLED.

[Anonymous No.6247881]

>>6236831
Holy shit, Xevious forgot about that one, that was actually pretty good. Listening to Metallica on a shitty boombox and playing that game and being a shitty teenager.

[Anonymous No.6247884]

consumer trinitron rgb moded chad reporting in, i recently man up and mod my tiny 14 inch trinitron and the resulta are awesome!

[Anonymous No.6247889]

>>6247884

[Anonymous No.6247895]

>>6247884
What’s with those lines every few inches down

[Anonymous No.6247941]

What are the best settings for my phone camera to take pics of my CRT?

[Anonymous No.6248038]

>>6246903
Because if you knew anything about CRT's you'd know why.
Progressive scan in higher resolutions does not produce noticeable "scan lines" because they are designed so the width of the beam forms a continuous picture vertically. 240p shows "scan lines" because TV's use a width meant for 480i images.
>>6247881
It's my all-time favorite shmup (though parodius is still a blast and probably objectively better, along with gradius).
>>6247884
Welcome to the party.
Good job.
>>6247941
Open Camera app (android only), manual exposure, 1/25 or 1/50 for 50hz (most PAL/SECAM countries) and 1/30 or 1/60 for 60hz (mostly NTSC countries). White balance set manually to 6500°K (or 9300° if you don't like standards).
>>6247895
Probably some camera problem or maybe dampening wires. Or both. Trinitrons use dampening wires.

[Anonymous No.6248195]

>>6247941
The Google Camera app is literal magic when it comes to CRT pics. Whatever AI they use seems to detect the fact it's flickering and automatically sets shutter speed to match the refresh rate of the monitor. It also takes multiple pictures and combines them to effectively deinterlace the image. The app only officially works on Pixel but people have ported it to all kinds of phones.
Or you can use a camera app with manual settings like the guy above me mentioned.

[Anonymous No.6248990]

>>6248195
Pixel 2 owner here.
Open Camera works better because you can manually set exposure settings and never have google camera get it wrong.
Google's app isn't bad either though.

[Anonymous No.6249037]

>>6242921
Interesting, I have a smaller 9" JVC and it has S-Video inputs. Should be from the same time period. I wonder why they would go with a proprietary connector for their larger monitors.

>>6245227
As far as I know, there are no truly "vintage" CRTs that have achieved meme status like the Sony PVMs. The FW-900 and the F520 are pretty solidly in meme territory (pic related), as are their variants (the SGI and Sun versions even moreso). Speaking of which, I have a Sun Microsystems monitor which is apparently worth several hundred bucks, but mainly because it's purple and says "Sun" on it. I think UNIX autism is the main driver behind that.

>>6245964
I would guess that you have a bad flyback transformer. But it could also be caps failing. I found a shop within an acceptable driving distance that purports to rebuild flybacks, using some kind of Russian wizardry, but I've never tried them out. Usually when that component goes it's the end of the monitor.

[Anonymous No.6249051]

>>6249037
>I would guess that you have a bad flyback transformer. But it could also be caps failing. I found a shop within an acceptable driving distance that purports to rebuild flybacks, using some kind of Russian wizardry, but I've never tried them out. Usually when that component goes it's the end of the monitor.
I took it to a TV repair shop and all they said is "It's arcing through the pins" or something. I have a hunch they were just hoping it was an easy fix and it if wasn't they weren't going to deal with it, because when I brought in a CRT the guy kinda thought I was insane. Now I'm just holding onto it hoping I can get it fixed one of these days.

[Anonymous No.6249063]

>>6249037
>but mainly because it's purple and says "Sun" on it. I think UNIX autism is the main driver behind that.
Sun is definitely part of it, but they can run at quite nice resolutions, too.
>bad flyback
My guess is that there's loose solder joints on the flyback or some other part. Especially common on vertically mounted PCB's in those. Old Macs also often have that problem.

[Anonymous No.6249090]

I'm getting a Trinitron soon, how does S-Video handle dithering? I know composite is good for this but S-Video is probably better for everything else.

[Anonymous No.6249095]

>>6249090
Use svideo then turn down the sharpness.

[Anonymous No.6249096]

>>6249090
Depends on the console.
If you've S-video modded a mega drive/genesis, 'meh.' Still some slight rainbowing but nowhere near as blurry as composite was. Pixels are clearly visible.
On SNES, it's pretty clear but not as good as RGB.
In a situation with a theoretically perfect S-Video signal encoder and decoder, at SNES/MD resolutions, it would be indistinguishable from RGB, with no blurring at all. (This perfect situation does not exist).

[Anonymous No.6249115]

[Anonymous No.6249126]

>>6249051
>"It's arcing through the pins"
Codeword for "I can't be bothered with this". Either way, arcing can be fixed. I remember my uncle fixed his TV by using paraffin wax on the flyback.

>>6249063
>Sun is definitely part of it, but they can run at quite nice resolutions, too
It will theoretically do 1280x1024 at 112 Hz. But the most I can coax from it is 75 Hz, 1600x1200. Which was insane for 1999 but pretty pedestrian nowadays.

Hasn't thought of the PCB solder either, that's definitely a possibility.

[Anonymous No.6249130]

>>6249090
zoomer fucking faggot detected

[Anonymous No.6249137]

>>6249130
sorry dear elder, I only intend to be educated

[Anonymous No.6249151]

>>6249137
I'm gonna take a shit right up your ass.

[Anonymous No.6249196]

>>6249126
my desktop runs 1920x1200 and I'm fine with that. 1600x1200 would be fine too.
>>6249151
What a lovely turn this thread's taken.

[Anonymous No.6249208]

>>6247895
it is just the camera in real life the picture is perfect

[Anonymous No.6249403]

>>6249196
To be honest, I don't really use it for anything other than games. I don't want to wear out a really nice Trinitron tube doing everyday mundane shit. But yeah 1600x1200 is pretty good, it would be better at 85 Hz (my 21" HP will do this, but it's also 5 years newer), but my main gripe is that I can't figure out how to get it running at 112 Hz.

[Anonymous No.6249449]

How do I fix red tilt?
I tried messing with the rings and they just translated stuff in a circle rather than actually rotating anything.

[Anonymous No.6249518]

>>6249403
75 vs. 85 is barely a problem unless they're very fast phosphors.
>112 Hz
Overkill, and not even a multiple of 60. I'd not worry about it myself.
>>6249449
Wiggle the deflection yoke itself or learn to cope. I suggest learning to cope; you're in for a world of pain if you start messing with the yoke (it's doable, but takes ages and is really annoying/not worth it for minor issues; you'll also mess up purity).
Could also be (it's actually more likely than the yoke solution) that the electron gun is physically mispositioned inside the tube itself, in which case you might just be fucked.

[Anonymous No.6249572]

>>6237049
>especially after that disastrous DF video
Jesus Christ can you cope some more?
The FW900 was very popular long before John Linneman's video.
It's not even the best PC Monitor anyways, Nokia 445Pro is better.

[Anonymous No.6249582]

>>6237083
Just wait for MicroLED to come out.
As soon as we have 4K/8K MicroLED with insane brightness( > 10000 nits) it's all over for CRT's.
With that you can strobe and used shaders and still have CRT level brightness.

And of course you'll have G-Sync/Variable Refresh to accommodate for the weird refresh rates various retro system and arcade games used.

[Anonymous No.6249612]

>>6238974
>scanlines are a defect
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.6249624]

>>6239028
>That's why I said earlier in the thread that years ago PVMs were considered a compromise solution when looking for a 15khz RGB monitor.
Stop making shit up you underage poorfag.
They're only a shitty solution for arcade cabs because you're sitting very close to them.

[Anonymous No.6249631]

>>6248038
>Progressive scan in higher resolutions does not produce noticeable "scan lines"

this isn't true, you can still see scanlines at 480p on certain displays, fuck off with your aspie shit

[Anonymous No.6249648]

>>6249631
Yeah, on displays designed for higher resolutions than 480p.

[Anonymous No.6249670]

>>6249582
No one gives a shit about brightness they want contrast. They want a huge range of colors not overly bright washed out ones.

[Anonymous No.6249689]

>>6239034
He sounds like an absolute hipster alright.

[Anonymous No.6249695]

>>6240835
I think you meant PAL 60hz over SCART.

[Anonymous No.6249740]

>>6248038
>Progressive scan in higher resolutions does not produce noticeable "scan lines" because they are designed so the width of the beam forms a continuous picture vertically.
God, why are underage retards like you allowed to post here?

It has to do with TVLines/Dot Pitch/Screen Size/Viewing Distance.
Games were designed with 480i tubes in mind because that was the standard.

It doesn't matter how sharp the CRT you're using is as long as you're playing them from a recommended normal viewing distance.

It's only a problem if you're trying to play 240p retro games and you're standing very close to them like you would in a PC or with Arcade Games in a Cab.
In that kinda scenario you need to take into consideration how sharp you want your CRT to be because at that distance scanlines are super visible.

[Anonymous No.6249754]

>>6249670
>No one gives a shit about brightness
Yes you do, you just don't know it yet.
High brightness is the most important aspect when it comes properly emulating the CRT look.
You need to combat brightness loss that happens with shaders and strobing(ULMB/Lightboost/Benq Blur Reduction).

A CRT phosphor shines brightly at around 5000 to 10000 nits for a very brief period(dependent on the phosphor decay/persistence time).

So in summary you need similar amounts of brightness to properly strobe for that CRT-level motion clarity while at the same time maintaining CRT-level brightness at 60hz and that's not even accounting for the brightness loss that occurs from using shaders.

>they want contrast
>huge range of colors
MicroLED has that out the ass.
It has the same perfect blacks OLED does but since it has higher brightness it produces better contrast ratios as well.

[Anonymous No.6249758]

>>6249740
*sniff sniff*
Something smells like a PVM owner coping.

[Anonymous No.6249789]

>>6249758
Something smells like a poorfag who doesn't even have a CRT and only looks at super close photos here.

[Anonymous No.6250016]

>>6249612
It is. Visible scanlines are a sign you're running below the optimal resolution of the monitor.

[Anonymous No.6250036]

>>6249208
I don’t think so, I’m guessing it’s the dampening wires like the other guy said

[Anonymous No.6250049]

>>6249789
I don’t understand where this meme about “good monitors don’t have scan lines” or “scanlines are a defect” started, is this some shitty larp?

[Anonymous No.6250062]

>>6250049
>is this some shitty larp?
No. It's a sign of wealth and status. Thick scanlines in current year? You must have spent thousands of dollars on a screen that was used as a broadcast editing station in teh 90s, it's a PVM or BVM.
No scanlines? Just a common consumer screen, nothing to brag about. Either make a real investment in the hobby or stay out.

[Anonymous No.6250063]

My monitor has been arcing. Hear a snap and picture fucks itself for a short moment. Manned the fuck up, ripped the anode off with my bare hands (after discharging, praying, writing will etc), cleaned and regreased. Still doing it.
I'm too much of a pussy to do any testing/examination with it running, and still very nervous with them. Sure as hell don't want to measure for excessive HV and don't know how to check B+ regulators. The neckboard felt a bit wobbly, is that normal? Didn't seem to push in any more but I didn't apply much pressure because I'm a bitch and don't want to neck it.
Any other obvious things I can check with it off?

[Anonymous No.6250076]

>>6250049
It's mostly the product of a lot of bitterness and denial in people who don't have pro monitors. Similar to emufags screeching about "hoarders"

[Anonymous No.6250089]

>>6250062
A lot of people are also in the hobby because they grew up playing these games and want to play them the same way. No kid in the 70's/80's/90's had a PVM, the majority of us sat in front of the TV in the living room or up at a family desk. For those sorts of people they might be something that's nice to have, but no sense paying out the ass to play games through blinds.
I would love a PVM and will get one if I see the right price, but I got my 29" quad sync for less than half what I can find any 14" PVM. I'd take two of those over a PVM any day of the week.

[Anonymous No.6250098]

>>6249572
>This Nokia monitor I'm sure you've never heard of is so good, much better than the FW900

So it supports 180Hz? Wow, it's like half a dozen Viewsonics that ALSO run at 180 Hz! What a special monitor.

>It was very popular before that video
It was known in the CRT autist community. Now every nigger and his dog wants one. Sure, it was popular, but it wasn't at the point where people are driving 20 hours round trip to get one.

[Anonymous No.6250123]

>>6250062
>>6250089
My 36" consumer Trinitron does scanlines. Prior to going down the CRT rabbit hole, I didn't even know that they were something people actually sought and paid big money for.

[Anonymous No.6250130]

>>6250049
Its sour grapes from the people who have drunk the PVM koolaid, but can't afford one.

All CRTs have scanlines and they are a byproduct of the fact that the 240p resolution is a hack.

I myself have a consumer CRT and you can only see scanlines on certain colors, or close up. And that's fine with me, because that's what I like.

[Anonymous No.6250407]

Old lady neighbor want to give me 21" Plano crt for free. I have 14" bvm so dunno if I should bother. Are Samsungs any decent? It has scart and rf

[Anonymous No.6250435]

>>6249612
32 > 18, last I checked.
>>6249648
Correct.
>>6249758
As the guy who wrote >>6248038 I fell for the PVMeme as well. That's part of why I consider scan lines a defect.
>>6250076
I have three pro monitors, I kind of like faint scan lines on them, but I am not so delusional that I think they are anything but an artifact of using a signal other than the kind that TV's were made for (480 lines interlaced).
>>6250063
Could be your tube's just ready to go to valhalla. Might just want to try to find another one. I hope I'm wrong and you figure out what it really is though.
>>6250407
Samsung made some great and some horrible screens. My tri-dot Amiga monitor is from Samsung, and it looks quite nice.
Give it a shot I guess. If it has RGB scart I'd take it because it's a nice size.
'Course, we don't have SCART where I live so RGB inputs are less commonplace unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.6250440]

>>6235701
what's the best sony flat screen crt to look for? I remember going over to a friend's house and remarking that his model had probably the best picture i'd ever seen up to that point (this was the mid 2000's). I do like the two-tone look of early 2000's sets

[Anonymous No.6250441]

>>6250440
IDK why you'd want a flat screen specifically.
But any range of models would be good. There isn't one canonical best.

[Anonymous No.6250451]

>>6250441
Mainly because I missed that step in display technology. I went from a family tv from the 90s that only had composite input to LCD in the 2000's. At that time, my buddy's flat front sony put my non-widescreen LCD to shame.

[Anonymous No.6250534]

Guns work with flatscreens or it was just 100hz models?

[Anonymous No.6250607]

>>6250435
>an artifact of using a signal other than the kind that TV's were made for
Whether you choose to call them an artifact or a German Shepherd is completely irrelevant. All that matters is how they make games look

[Anonymous No.6250718]

Wish I had a better camera

[Anonymous No.6251062]

Finnish prime minister ready to play some duck hunt!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6251070]

>>6251062
The composite signal

The aspect ratio stretching

It's beautiful

[Anonymous No.6251127]

>>6251062
What a maroon

[Anonymous No.6251171]

>>6250441
A properly calibrated flat CRT looks nice than a curved CRT. Emphasis on properly calibrated.
>>6250440
Any model from their WEGA line will do, but depending on what you'll play on it it might be worth seeking out an older model without digital tuner and HDMI.

[Anonymous No.6251220]

>>6251062
she's clearly going to play mario, sperg

[Anonymous No.6251243]

>>6251062
Somebody get her a Nokia CRT.

[Anonymous No.6251257]

>>6251220
She's not going to play shit. It's a half-assed photoshoot to win favor with man children. The type of man children the mini's were designed for. The ones who talk about how amazing old games were while wearing a shirt with an NES cartridge that says "Blow me" on it, but haven't played the games since they were at their friends house in 1st grade.

[Anonymous No.6251312]

>>6251257
where did they touch you

[Anonymous No.6251347]

>>6251312
epic

[Anonymous No.6251406]

>>6251257
Obsessed.

[Anonymous No.6251495]

>>6250063
F

[Anonymous No.6251582]

So I just got one of these today. Diamondtron NF tube, 2046x1536 at 75Hz.

[Anonymous No.6251704]

I have a CRT monitor that starts showing a blurry 1cm vertical "line" on the left side after some hours of usage, it goes away when I turn it off, wait 5 seconds then turn it on again. Should I be worried? It started like 3 months ago and haven't really got worse. Any idea what it could be by the way?

[Anonymous No.6251951]

>>6251582
Very nice find.

[Anonymous No.6251987]

Should I get a widescreen trinitron to use as a main computer monitor? I mostly play emulators and older games on it, the only real new stuff I play is VR anyway.

[Anonymous No.6251995]

>>6251987
Were the fuck are you going to find a widescreen Trinitron? Also a lot of older games don't scale well to 16:9. They just get stretched and look like ass. If they don't get stretched then you start seeing shit the devs didn't intend for you to see.

[Anonymous No.6252112]

>>6251995
My company recently transferred me to Japan and there are a lot of flat, widescreen Sony’s still floating around for like $50-100. Can’t you change a display’s aspect ratio to 4:3 even if the screen is 16:9?

[Anonymous No.6252116]

>>6252112
You could just quit your job and export those things for stupid quantities of money.

[Anonymous No.6252159]

>>6252116
You can find those widescreen Sony CRTs for free on Craigslist. Also
>shipping crts internationally

[Anonymous No.6252173]

How bad are durabands?

[Anonymous No.6252179]

>>6252159
This.
Also freight is fucking expensive.

As an example of how it'll cut into your profits; I live in South Australia and recently found a place in Queensland that imports Jarritos Cola from Mexico. 24 bottles of the stuff costs $60, which equates to $2.50 a bottle. Freight to ship them 2000km to my home is $33. Now it works out to be nearly $4 a bottle.
Now scale up that to something the size of a CRT, which you're talking about shipping internationally.

[Anonymous No.6252184]

Anyone know how to reduce ghosting in dark games? I never put my contrast/brightness past 50% so maybe that's why? I know high brightness can burn the tube out faster is it the same with contrast?

[Anonymous No.6252189]

>>6252159
>>6252179
I assumed he was talking about a CRT computer monitor like a GDM.

[Anonymous No.6252208]

>>6252173
Very. It's a low-end tube with basic electronics driving it. Personally I wouldn't even pick one up for free because there's tons of options out there.

[Anonymous No.6252427]

>>6252116
>>6252189
I actually meant a WEGA TV, not a monitor, I know a TV wouldn’t be as good but the monitors are hard to find.

[Anonymous No.6252587]

>>6252179
>Jarritos
Good taste.

[Anonymous No.6252687]

>>6252184
Brightness and contrast are actually the opposite of what you think. Brightness adjusts the black point of the image (the voltage at which no electrons are emitted by the gun) and contrast adjusts the white point (how hard the electron gun runs).
Calibrating a CRT involves setting contrast to maximum and adjusting brightness to the point where the darkest colors are still visible and then decreasing contrast to a comfortable level.

[Anonymous No.6252714]

>>6252687
That's pretty much how I understood it. I just never turned the values up past 50% because like I read it burns out the phosphorus faster.

[Anonymous No.6252725]

>>6252714
CRT burnout is also nothing like OLED. It's closer to burn-in where phosphors excited for extended periods of time degrade. If you're watching TV or playing games that don't have a static graphic on screen at all times you'll never have to worry. Sure increased brightness means the tube gets hotter but if it's a good TV even at its hottest point it's still well within thermal limits.

[Anonymous No.6252731]

>>6252179
Someone's watched Keepetclassy.

[Anonymous No.6252732]

>>6252725
I'm talking about the brightness/colors fading as the phosphor degrades not the image getting burned in.

[Anonymous No.6252741]

>>6252732
That takes a very long time to happen. I've seen PVMs with over 25k hours of operation that still look great. That said the best contrast setting is whatever blends best with ambient light - if you use it in a bright room you'll want to turn it higher but if your game room is in the basement or has heavy blinds over the windows you can probably drop contrast down real low.

[Anonymous No.6252745]

>>6252741
I usually play in a dark room. The problem I'm facing is if the contrast is too low the image looks kinda dim, but if it's too high I get a really bad trailing effect.

[Anonymous No.6252751]

>>6252731
I feel seen.

[Anonymous No.6252760]

>>6252745
All CRTs made to be used in TVs have a certain phosphor persistency because the image is interlaced and anything lower would cause noticeable flicker. If that bothers you then you'll have to make due with lowered contrast at the expense of general dimness. Everyone has a different preference regarding how much contrast is "enough".

[Anonymous No.6254298]

A guy in my area is offering this TV for free, claiming it "works great" and that they just want it out of their house.
Is this a good CRT /vr/?

[Anonymous No.6254310]

>>6254298
Christ do they have an open plan fucking toilet?

[Anonymous No.6254313]

>>6254310
This seller lives in the trashier part of my city. That is apparently in their basement and they can't be fucked to lift it up their "6 steps" to the front door.
Probably boomers doing reno shit and found a CRT in their storage if I had to guess.

[Anonymous No.6254334]

>>6254298
It's free you picky piece of shit. If you need a tv, it works, is the size you want, and has the connections you want then just fucking take it.

[Anonymous No.6254340]

>>6254298
It's a JVC D-series. That should tell you all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.6254358]

>>6254340
I'm not big into CRT stuff. I looked up 'JVC D-Series' and got brought over to a post on plebbit comparing it to a Sony Triniton, which I heard is some sort of Holy Grail among CRTs.
I'm guessing it's the B-Team to that TV's A-Team?
>>6254334
Just want to make sure it's good enough. Plan to just use it for fifth and sixth gen systems, mainly PSX, Dreamcast and maybe 64 and Saturn.
I can easily fit it on my dresser based on the side pictures of it, and I have an extension cord, so no worries there.

[Anonymous No.6254384]

>>6254358
>Grew up with a 32' Trinitron
>Family gave it away instead of letting me have it in my room
>The people they gave it to let it sit out in their front yard for years and get ruined

[Anonymous No.6254387]

>>6254358
In future definitely state why you want one and what you know. You'll find people are a lot more helpful.
As for JVC D-series they're some of the best sets out there, up with the best Trinitron sets easily.

[Anonymous No.6254391]

>>6254387
Alright, I'll message the person offering it.
Thank you for the advice anon. I hope to be played Code Veronica and watching my anime tapes within the week though that will require a Japanese VCR for half of them

[Anonymous No.6254552]

>>6251704
It happened again, and taking a pic is harder than I thought due the goddamn lines. Any idea?

[Anonymous No.6254565]

>>6251704
Does it make a difference depending on what refresh rate/resolution you use?

[Anonymous No.6254569]

>>6254384
I know this feel, sort of.
>Family has big no name CRT, eventually upgrades to flat screen (2010)
>I get old CRT in my room, sit on end of bed and play NES/Xbox
>Eventually moved away, nobody wanted to move the thing
>I argued/wanted to keep it, Uncle offered to help move it
>He just put RCA cables in video jack then broke them off
>Was told I'd just have to use living room TV
>Could never use living room TV
>Got a shitty 26" 1366*768 LCD few months later
>It's awful
>Didn't have another CRT until last year, caved and bought one

[Anonymous No.6254593]

>>6254552
caps

[Anonymous No.6254595]

>>6254569
>Didn't have another CRT until last year, caved and bought one
I got lucky in that I still had one of my old CRT monitors in my basement. It is honestly the best god damn fucking monitor I've ever had but now it flickers like crazy and is unusable. I caved and overpaid for a PVM and another PC CRT. I rarely have time to use the PVM, but I always use the PC one when I'm playing old DOS games and a bunch of abandonware from the 90s-00s.

[Anonymous No.6254607]

>>6254565
No idea. I'll use a different resolution tomorrow and see if it happens again.

>>6254593
It won't stop working randomly, will it? Is it expensive to in general?

[Anonymous No.6254608]

>>6254607
*expensive to repair

[Anonymous No.6255192]

>>6254569
Most people have that experience, we had a 32 inch trinitron xbr that my mum threw out while I was at college years ago, got a shitty 32 inch hitachi lcd that was around 1280x720 iirc, horrible fucking telly. Came home to her going "see the nice new telly son, so much free space in that corner now"

[Anonymous No.6255375]

>>6254607
it could stop working randomly, but more likely another capacotor will need to fail before that happens.
I'd recommend replacing at least caps on the neckboard and larger ones on the main board.

[Anonymous No.6255475]

>>6251951
Thanks. The guy originally wanted $150 for it, but it had some convergence issues and what appeared to be dying caps. So I got it for $20, and plan to recap it. Beautiful monitor otherwise. It’s also one of the older Electron22Blues, so it was made in Japan and didn’t have the weird solder issues that showed up after they moved production to China.

>>6252741
Unfortunately it seems to be common with PC CRT monitors. I have found some very nice tubes that were unfortunately dim as fuck. Even in a dark room, usability was limited. Trinitrons seem to have the opposite issue, where they get ridiculously bright over time.

>>6254298
>>6254358

JVC D-series. Good tube, definitely not a Trinitron second fiddle. It’s more like a Trinitron alternative. Get it, don’t hesitate.

>>6254384
>>6254569
>>6255192
I know the struggle but not the outcome. I had to fight for years to get my mom to keep our 36” Trinitron. She kept wanting to toss it and get a “nice flat screen” (despite having a Pioneer plasma in the main living room, which is also “ugly” in her mind). Her friends all had pliant husbands who broke their backs hauling their massive old CRTs to the dump, but my dad just flat out refused, saying “I paid $3,000 for that TV and it still works, why would I get rid of it?” Mom still complains about how ugly it looks and wants a flat screen for the “zen” look, but based dad refuses to cave to her bullshit. I’ve long since moved out (and I’ve now got an HD CRT and a smaller Trinitron) but my dad and my sister really enjoy having that thing around. It’s one of the best TVs I’ve ever seen, plus it’s had a good ~3 hours of usage per day since 1995 and it still looks great. I personally prefer it to my friend’s PVM just due to the sheer size.

[Anonymous No.6255703]

how shall I get my 36'' wega up a flight of stairs? I've moved heavy furniture up stairs before but the weight distribution for a crt is awkward so I'm dreading the move.

[Anonymous No.6255708]

>>6254298
>>6254334
>>6254384
>>6254387
>>6255475
>>6254340
>sent a message last night
>received a response
>"Oh, I gave it to a guy who wanted to use it for games this morning."
wtf /crt/...

[Anonymous No.6255716]

>>6255708
If you genuinely want something you have to ask when is the earliest you can get it, it's free he just wants rid of it he's going to take the earliest possible person, someone probably offered to lift it first thing in the morning.

[Anonymous No.6255723]

>>6255708
You gotta be fast. CRTs are starting to surge in popularity lately. Its gotten to the point where if theres a monitor I really want I wouldn't mind overpaying a little bit just to gaurentee I get it, as opposed to trying to hunt for a deal that 100 other autists are trying to snipe.

[Anonymous No.6255762]

>>6250407 Here. I picked up TV after all. Overall average tv, only SCART that supports RGB saves it. 5/10, still not sure if I should keep it.
It has some noise (screen) on black backgrounds, buzzing sound on white background and some part of right screen is unoccupied. Not even close to my BVM but he it works, no noticeable screen shift on scrolling background (dunno how its called professionally) and its free. I forgot to pick up remote so colours might be oversaturated etc.
Have a nice day

[Anonymous No.6255785]

>>6255762
Ronald looks like a fucking serial killer with those beady eyes and that shit eating grin.

[Anonymous No.6255797]

Anyone know any good speakers to have next to my PVM? I bought some that were labeled "Shielded" but they obviously were not because if they get too close to the monitor the image distorts. Actually now the picture is slightly fucked up now, although that could just be because I ran it off a computer which sends it the wrong signal occasionally (usually when booting up/shutting down)

[Anonymous No.6256293]

Should I get this free tiny crt that can take component? I have a bigger CRT and a OSSC + VGA monitor setup though so I'm not sure I need it.

[Anonymous No.6256298]

>>6256293
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6256347]

>>6235723
speaking of - what's the absolute best shadowmask imitator have you ever encountered (name of emulator and screenshot; will settle for any emulated platform)

[Anonymous No.6256432]

>>6256293
>>6256298
absolutely, its a great little unit and you will love it, I have the same one, found it on he side of the road

[Anonymous No.6256552]

>>6255703
Look into shoulder dollies/moving straps. People can move entire washing machines with them. I just said fuck it and hired movers to come for the minimum rate because I was a scaredy cat moving my 32" wega upstairs, but it looks like if you just be mindful of weight distribution, shoulder dolly could make quick work of it if you get someone to help you

[Anonymous No.6256559]

>>6256347
There’s an emulation thread you should check out

[Anonymous No.6256590]

>>6255797
Interested to know this. My speakers cause really bad EMI.
Apparently you can DIY it with foil or copper? Never tried it though

[Anonymous No.6256632]

>>6256559
>there's a /g/ board you should move your discussion of tech into.
Thanks for a useful reply fucking prick

[Anonymous No.6256652]

>>6255703
ratchet strap, the kind without hooks, trap the tv sideways to a heavy duty metal dolly and have a friend get the bottom while you get the top and move it one step at a time up the stairs then thru the door

[Anonymous No.6256818]

>>6255708
Yeah that sucks. A little while ago I came across a Dell P1130 (which is a highly sought-after monitor if not a holy grail). It was listed at $40 with the title "Dell CRT monitor", and you could only barely make out the model number in one of the photos. It was posted at around 9:00pm and I messaged the guy at 10:00am the next day. By then someone had already taken it.

When I saw >>6251582, I immediately fucking pounced on it, despite the inconvenience of running out to get it. Also, while I did get it for a really good price, >>6255723 raises a good point. It feels nice to get a deal, but if you see something that you really want and it's either average or a little overpriced, then just go for it. It's better to own the damn thing and overpay slightly than spend months looking for a similar model. Just as long as you're not paying """collector""" prices.

[Anonymous No.6256824]

>>6255797
>>6256590
I use a set of Ruark MR1 Mk2 speakers;
They're handsome little units with an aesthetic that matches the look of my setup (there's also a version with walnut veneer).

No interference from what I can see, although I keep them just under the monitor on a metallic trolley (Udden) which could be dampening the magnetic field.

[Anonymous No.6256834]

>>6256632
Hey man, I’m not the one who came into a hardware thread and then asked about software

[Anonymous No.6256861]

>>6256824
How do you find the latency on these?

I have not found a pair of bluetooth headphones or speakers that can reduce the latency to an imperceptible level. The Sony XM3s come close, but I can still perceive it, ever so slightly.

[Anonymous No.6256872]

>>6256861
I use the 3.5mm auxiliary jack/toslink inputs for video games.
The Bluetooth connection has a little delay, but only a couple milliseconds I think. However if you're looking to hook up a console to your speakers over Bluetooth (although I'd query why) then yeah it could be a problem and you'll want to look at something else.

[Anonymous No.6256942]

>>6256824
It says on their site those things are magnetically shielded. Might check em out. In the past I had my speakers right next to my moitors like you would a traditional desktop. Hopefully my PVM wont get fucked up any further, although that could just be the signal I've been sending it.

[Anonymous No.6257019]

>>6256824
>>6256942
Actually they're way out of my price range. Not really sure what to do now. It seems magnetically shielded speakers are just super crazy high end audiophile shit now. I read somewhere it stopped being a thing when CRTs died out.

[Anonymous No.6257021]

>>6257019
You can just put a magnetic shielding sheet between your speaker and the TV you absolute idiot.

[Anonymous No.6257048]

>>6257021
I'll try it. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6257198]

>>6257021
Sauce for affordable material?

[Anonymous No.6257227]

>>6257198
sheet steel....

[Anonymous No.6257237]

>>6257198
Just searching for magnetic shielding foil. You might be able to find it at a hardware or electronics store. A lot of shit sensitive to radio signals uses it like audio devices.

[Anonymous No.6257338]

>>6256834
>I’m not the one who came into a hardware thread and then asked about software
it's not like they're related with common subject.
Anyway i just wanted to point out your obvious double-standard fallacy as you redirecting a person with offtopic question, while keep continuing your offtopic discussion in a wrong bord (i.e. technology thread in a non-technology board)
Again, thanks for being a useless retard - always helpful to have npcs like you, with no basic abstract thinking, around.

[Anonymous No.6257341]

>>6257338
>always helpful*

*that's an ironic statement (you're probably too dense to process that)

[Anonymous No.6257342]

>>6256632
/g/ doesn't get CRTs anyways. It's now the consumer board.

[Anonymous No.6257358]

>>6257338
>Asks about emulation in a thread full of people who have no interest in emulation
>Sperg the fuck out at a dude suggests to visit the emulation thread
>This entire post
I'm having a hard time telling where the language barrier ends and the retardation begins.

[Anonymous No.6257394]

Saw this listed at an estate sale nearby, makes me sad that people do this kinda shit and just butcher old things that could've probably been fixed, if they were even broken to begin with.

[Anonymous No.6257408]

>>6257338
>come into a hardware store
>ask about electronic parts
>suggests the place next door as they deal with electronics
>berate the hardware store owner for not answering what you want
I just can’t understand your logic anon, you might legitimately have issues

[Anonymous No.6257535]

>>6257408
ok, you wanna shit up this thread - it's on you.

My logic was to ask for a good CRT shader, in case someone in this thread has already tried to compare soft and hardware version. Instead, some smartass who thinks he's smarter than anyone else suggest obvious "uh, go ask in emulation general"
It amused me that someone would police the topic is not related to thread, whereas they're perfectly fine with having entire offtopic thread in the board.
I don't know how else to articulate that point, if you can't understand it (as this little meme-loving fuck here >>6257358), then I can't help you with it. Learn to read or something.

[Anonymous No.6257537]

>>6257535
>in the board
in the wrong board.

>>6257342
this is a correct response
>>6257358
>>6257408
these are barely evolved versions of chimp shit flinging. I strongly encourage you to learn yourselves to discuss concepts, instead of unending he said, you said (You)-flinging.

[Anonymous No.6257551]

>>6257358
>Asks about emulation in a thread full of people who have no interest in emulation
Speak for yourself. Emulating on a CRT is the best of both worlds.

[Anonymous No.6257556]

>>6257551
speaking of which - i remember hooking up my mid-2000s build to an early 90s big-ass Panasonic TV.
I was gobsmacked how legit Earthworm Jim, emulated through some Gens emulator, looked on that thing (that's also when it first dawned on me about how CRT with relatively low-color res shadowmask, compared to PC monitors, affects the image)

[Anonymous No.6257567]

>>6257535
I said nothing hostile, any hostility was on you, read the original post again, you just ramped it up to 11 after I said you should check out the emulation thread, if you interpreted that as aggressive I don’t know what to say

[Anonymous No.6257576]

>>6257567
Neither have i insulted you (only the other poster)
If you want to keep focused on subjective perception of my post, that's fine, but I'll myself to refrain from keeping such fruitless conversation.
Right now my only takeaway from this exchange, however anecdotal it may be, is that about two-thirds of CRT owners here are fart-sniffing morons that have no interest in having any sort of constructive discussion whatsoever, outside from bein laser-focused on sucking each other dry on subject of their obsession.
Have a good day, gentlemen - don't let those cathode tubes catch fire.

[Anonymous No.6257594]

>>6257551
>Speak for yourself. Emulating on a CRT is the best of both worlds.
He was talking about emulating a CRT. Unless you mean emulating a CRT on a CRT. Personally I haven't tried it.

[Anonymous No.6257601]

>>6257535
>Starts fighting with people because they suggested to go to a more relevant thread
>"Oh so you wanna shit up this thread"
Comedy gold.

>>6257537
>these are barely evolved versions of chimp shit flinging. I strongly encourage you to learn yourselves to discuss concepts, instead of unending he said, you said (You)-flinging.
There's a certain level of retardation that shouldn't be tolerated. Only laughed at.

[Anonymous No.6257615]

>>6257601
>There's a certain level of retardation that shouldn't be tolerated. Only laughed at.
couldn't agree more with that ; )

[Anonymous No.6257634]

>>6257594
>emulating a CRT on a CRT
Now I need to see an FW900 running Royale.

[Anonymous No.6257651]

>>6257394
Looks like a 50's tv and radio combo, probably broken as fuck tbf.

[Anonymous No.6257684]

>just got a 20 inch panasonic tv last week after spending about 2 months holding out for a decent telly
>advert for a 27 inch trinitron pops up today

[Anonymous No.6257697]

>>6235701
my CRT not the best! but I love it wish I can get my hands on a bigger one.

[Anonymous No.6257771]

>>6257227
Doesn't block magnetic fields

>>6257237
Been looking at permalloy-type materials but they're bloody expensive. I want to fabricate/form cups around the magnets like OEMs did.

[Anonymous No.6257795]

>>6257771
yes it does, open up a crt monitor, it will have a sheetsteel housing between the plastic case and the inner electronics....

[Anonymous No.6258098]

>>6257795
That's for RF, not magnetism

[Anonymous No.6258194]

>>6257576
The CRTrannies are seething because in the last year or two shaders have become really good and are getting better. Give crt-royale-xm29plus a try, it looks better than my actual Sony BVM which is why I'm trying to sell it.
>inb4 false flagging trannies offering to buy it
Use a 4K screen if possible, but 1080p looks great too.

[Anonymous No.6258210]

>>6242735
He's false flagging.
>>6258194
I forgot to mention, since you wanted shadow mask change "mask_type" in CRT Royale settings to 2.0 which is dot mask http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT-Royale

[Anonymous No.6258221]

>>6258194
>in the last year or two shaders have become really good and are getting better
That's exactly what I've heard, was also expecting and the reason why I asked the question in the first place (was presuming people were enjoying the end result, not the logistics of achieving it)

>Give crt-royale-xm29plus a try
cheers, m8

[Anonymous No.6258230]

>>6258194
there's nothing wrong with using shaders, but this is a CRT thread, whats the point in discussing it here

[Anonymous No.6258235]

>>6258194
>Give crt-royale-xm29plus a try, it looks better than my actual Sony BVM
Someone must have replaced the tube in your BVM with a TN panel. Better open it up and check

[Anonymous No.6258243]

>>6258221
Another suggestion is crt-royale-kurozumi. Here it is on a 1080p LCD.
Don't let the trannies meme you about brightness either. OLEDs these days are bright enough (900+ cd/m2 peaks and ~600 cd/m2 nominal on real-world video when fed a HDR signal).
The CRT snobs likely blew their few hundred dollars on their old dying PVMeme and can't afford a new OLED that costs over $1000. They don't want to believe the new TVs could be better and they can't check for themselves.
Friendly reminder that the higher the brightness setting on your CRT, the less hours it has left. Tick tock.

[Anonymous No.6258246]

>>6258230
>what's the point in discussing CRT emulation in a CRT thread
You probably don't understand when people point out that a certain game has reduced lag and is an objectively better experience in an emulator too, right?

[Anonymous No.6258298]

>>6258243
you're probably overstating my palette (i.e. i'm nowhere near the audiophile-tier fawning over the bygone tech) - last time I legitimately trying to recreate CRT-like picture was when the only choices on offer were between scanlines 25%, 50% and 75% (also 2xsai for god knows what purpose).

I just downloaded Retroarch and randomly loaded default crt-royale-ntsc0-320x-composite shader and that already looks like space alien technology to me. Now i'm gonna go through your suggestions (completely new to this libreto infrastructure - gonna figure out why it returnes error upon loading xm29plus shader)

Again, thanks for pointing me at the right direction.
To CRT owners: take care, take it ez and may the force of x-rays be with you or something.

[Anonymous No.6258390]

>>6258194
Has nothing to do with whether or not emulation is better. That dude is just a sperging retard and people wanted to laugh at the freakshow.

[Anonymous No.6258393]

>>6258243
>can't afford a new OLED that costs over $1000. They don't want to believe the new TVs could be better and they can't check for themselves.
You can return anything these days. Anyone can check for himself (and find that OLED isn't nearly as good for classic games)

[Anonymous No.6258421]

>>6258243
You'd have a better time selling yourself if you went 2 sentences without a buzzword and didn't align with a dude who spent his entire duration in this thread autistically screeching. It comes off like you're just desperate to win an argument more than anything. Honestly that picture looks ok. It's almost there but when you can make out the pixels it's headache educing. I'm going to hold off until MicroLED. Maybe the shaders will be better by then.

[Anonymous No.6258593]

Hey, I'm the guy from earlier in the thread that missed out on a free CRT.
Just an hour ago, went to the nicer vintage game store in my area, asked the guy there if he sold CRTs and he said he just "Gives them away" and that his friend was bringing in a "32 inch Sony one" soon and I could have it when he gets it.
Sometimes life is cool.

[Anonymous No.6258596]

>>6258421
>buzzword
>allign
>win argument
jesus christ, when was the last time you've updated your firmware, dumb npc?

[Anonymous No.6258603]

>>6258596
The irony in this post is delicious.

[Anonymous No.6258608]

>>6258593
Nice!

[Anonymous No.6258609]

If anyone is around suburban Toronto, there is a guy giving away a 21" HP A4576A on Facebook marketplace. It's labeled as "Monitor: PC; Colour". It has a decent maximum resolution (1600x1200/85) and the thing will apparently go up to 160 Hz. Seems like a pretty nice tube for nothing. I would grab it but I already have way too many as it stands (though none that do those kinds of refresh rates).

>>6257634
This is maximum autism.

>>6258393
>>6258243
What's the input lag on OLEDs like? Genuinely curious. Last I heard they were still running around 14ms.

[Anonymous No.6258624]

>>6258098
wtf? have i been memed? how did those old compaqs and packard bells have speakers on the side of the monitor?

[Anonymous No.6258627]

>>6258624
A lot of old speakers were magnetically shielded.

[Anonymous No.6258640]

>>6258603
oh yeah, the irony is that a drooling teletubby with a cathode tube up his ass that projects delusions at the speed of light finds his own fantasy projection ironic.
I mean, if you legit think there was an argument instead of anon answering question for another anon, then you're nothing more than a delusional audiophile type, the likes of which would easily confuse an upclose shot of a painter's dirty apron for a jackson pollock's masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.6258645]

>>6258640
dude thats so epic

[Anonymous No.6258662]

>>6257394
>if they were even broken to begin with.
CRTs that old used capacitors made of paper and oil. There's no chance in hell that thing still worked when they gutted it.

[Anonymous No.6258665]

>>6252179
>Jarritos Cola
>$4 a bottle.
That's rough. In America I get them for $0.70 per bottle at my local supermarket.

[Anonymous No.6258702]

>>6258609
>What's the input lag on OLEDs like? Genuinely curious. Last I heard they were still running around 14ms.
Are we talking about actual input lag or pixel's persistency (rise/fall time), that's only relevant for combatting motion blur?

Tr+Tf response times for OLED are measured in nanoseconds. Can't say anything about input lag, but if it's only 14ms - that's on par with fastest TN panels (which would draw with 2.5ms delay on top portion of the screen, 10ms in the middle and about 15 at the bottom)

[Anonymous No.6258736]

>>6258609
>>6258702
My LG is 13ms, so I can't feel the difference of 4.7ms compared to my CRT which has 8.3ms.

[Anonymous No.6258742]

>>6258624
>>6258627
Yeah the point is to shield the speaker's magnet, not the CRT itself.

If you think about it there's no effective way to magnetically shield the tube itself due to the way in which magnetic fields propagate which is not line-of sight. You'd need to put a solid plate of nickel-iron metal in front of the screen so you wouldn't even be able to view the fucker!

[Anonymous No.6258746]

>>6258736
no shit - rare human brain would respond faster than 40-50ms to neural stimulus (that is to simply register)

[Anonymous No.6258749]

>>6258746
>(that is to simply register*)
*incoming signal

[Anonymous No.6258819]

>>6258746
>>6258749
No, that's only if you're autistic (not a meme, literally autism causes slower reflexes). A normal brain can notice a 10-20ms difference, but not less than 10.

[Anonymous No.6258923]

>>6250607
>color TV's don't decode any signal they get to RGB
>>6258194
You have cancer.

[Anonymous No.6258927]

>>6258819
He might have missed it up with 50-60ms being the fastest that a person can physically react to the stimulus, being limited by the speed of the electrical impulses. Faster for more reptilian reactions that don't have to go through the brain

[Anonymous No.6259153]

>>6235701
Atari made some really great ports around the time of the crash. Too bad it was too little too late.

[Anonymous No.6259167]

>>6258742
Most speakers are unshielded today.

[Anonymous No.6259186]

>>6258927
>50-60ms being the fastest that a person can physically react to the stimulus
Then how do gamers, athletes, and musicians notice 8ms of lag?

[Anonymous No.6259276]

>>6258243
Feels good having a PVM, BVM (both fully serviced and calibrated), PC CRT monitor and an OLED.

[Anonymous No.6259282]

>>6259276
If you're not LARPing, take a photo of them so we can compare with the PC monitor and OLED using crt-royale-kurozumi or crt-royale-xm29plus

[Anonymous No.6259284]

>>6259276
where's your shadow mask bro

[Anonymous No.6259351]

>>6259282
I'd like to help but it seems rather complicated. I've never even used an emulator.
>>6259284
I have a 13" Panasonic/VCR combo set.

[Anonymous No.6259368]

>>6259351
You set up and got special broadcast TVs calibrated, but downloading RetroArch and selecting a shader preset is rather complicated?
LARPer detected.

[Anonymous No.6259375]

>>6259167
I know, because they're not designed to be used around magnetically-susceptible devices and media. Hence wanting to shield my own speakers.

I don't think there are any such devices or media for sale today besides hard drives and even they are a rapidly shrinking market.

[Anonymous No.6259379]

>>6259368
I had a lot of help.

[Anonymous No.6259764]

Bros what is happening with my ViewSonic G90f+?

[Anonymous No.6260461]

>>6259153
Dig Dug was 1986 or so. Post-crash.

[Anonymous No.6260562]

My grandparents in McCormick, SC have a Toshiba 24AF44 (24 inch) CRT in their bedroom that they'd probably be happy to trade for an LCD, if anyone near there is interested in the next day or two (before I leave). It's still in good condition.

Just thought I'd mention. I have a couple pro monitors so I don't really want it.

[Anonymous No.6260563]

>>6260562
P.S. it has component input and S-video input.

[Anonymous No.6260565]

>>6260562
To be clear, vid is of my pro monitor, not the 24AF44. I don't have any retro consoles with me to hook up. It looks fine though and can be RGB modded. I can even give you a schematic to do it.

[Anonymous No.6260608]

Tentative guesses for how one would RGB mod the 24AF44.
Most likely you don't have to worry about the OSD_Y line at all unless you want the TV to apply SVM to your image. (SVM=scan velocity modulation).

[Anonymous No.6260624]

>>6259351
>I have a 13" Panasonic/VCR combo set.
weak

[Anonymous No.6260627]

>>6259764
i have a monitor i found on the side of the road that does something similar on light colors, idk what to call it or how to diagnose it though, hopefully someone here has info

[Anonymous No.6260961]

How much should I ask for for theis PVM 21M4U that I want to sell?

[Anonymous No.6261216]

>>6260961
No more than $60.

[Anonymous No.6262420]

>>6260961
$1 and I pay for delivery

[Anonymous No.6262981]

>>6260461
1983 according to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dig_Dug#Development_and_release

[Anonymous No.6263023]

>>6260961
$700-$900

[Anonymous No.6263079]

>>6260961
Free, plus you deliver it at your expense. Then they get to punch you in the mouth.

[Anonymous No.6263217]

>>6260961
Send it to me and I'll give you my Devilman OVA BD.

[Anonymous No.6263381]

There are currently two FW-900 monitors available in my area. First time I've seen them in over 2 years of searching, and they are apparently brand new in box. Seller is just saying "best offer gets it". What sort of price would these go for, and what are the chances that it is close to the brand new price for the monitor? Especially when the seller refers to them as "the king of CRTs"?

I feel like I've come to the end of a long search but I'm still somehow going to get fucked out of this.

[Anonymous No.6263416]

>>6263381
go look for a quality vga monitor, not overpriced memery.

[Anonymous No.6263471]

>>6263381
Amazing monitor but don't do it

[Anonymous No.6263489]

>>6263381
Those monitors are suppose to be defective. There's some sort of design flaw that causes them to die out after X amount of hours put into them. Something to keep in mind when buying those. They might be busted.

[Anonymous No.6264563]

>>6259186
It's different from noticing it afterwards and reacting to it in action. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, because a person's predictive ability to anticipate actions requires the low lag, as somebody can time a button press much more accurately than seeing and reacting with a button press

[Anonymous No.6264573]

>>6259764
Things you could try for now that might help diagnose it:
-Stretch the screen size in the crt menu then add an overscan in Windows
-try different resolutions and refresh rates

[Anonymous No.6264601]

>>6258927
You have to notice to react. Turns out we can notice things pretty quick, so it does make a difference in the end.

[Anonymous No.6264681]

>>6258609
>This is maximum autism.
No, it isn't.
Emulating a low-res CRT on a high-res CRT is one of the best ways to use shaders.

[Anonymous No.6265169]

Anyone have a good tier list?

[Anonymous No.6266689]

>>6263381
Anyone referring to the FW-900 as the "King of CRTs" is probably looking to get a high price for it. That being said, if it is brand new in box, it would not be unreasonable to pay about $1,000 for one. They were twice that new, and most of the time they ended up getting worn out through near-constant use, because businesses would have wanted to make a decent return on their $1,999 monitor. Paying more than $100-$150 for a worn-out CRT is, in my view, stupid (especially since I got the HP version of this monitor for nothing). But if you have access to a pristine tube that hasn't been used, then the outrageous prices might not be so... outrageous. Just something to consider.

>>6263489
All CRTs die after X amount of hours. That's just the way they are. They're wasting assets. But these late-model Trinitrons did specifically have an issue where they got too bright. This was an issue with the G2 voltage, and it can be somewhat fixed. Certain Sony monitors do not have a separate G2 control on the flyback, and you would need to replace them by changing out the resistors.

[Anonymous No.6267089]

Where do you guys find CRTS? I currently look on shitty pick-up shopping apps and Craigslist, but I am looking for other suggestions besides the average ones.

[Anonymous No.6267139]

>>6266689
what is g2?

[Anonymous No.6267473]

>>6263381
I wouldn't pay over $200 for one. Past that price range and there are other CRTs I'd spend the money on, or I'd be buying an OLED to play around with and see what all the hype is about.

Do you have a lot of experience with high end PC CRTs?

[Anonymous No.6267505]

My CRT is developing a dark spot on it. Degaussing does not seem to help. What is the issue?

[Anonymous No.6267576]

Someone who doesn't hate CRT/scanline filters reporting in. Don't sperg out just yet you gigantic autists. I figured I could find a 'nice' looking one I could download and run on my PC at the touch of a button, over my desktop/whatever is on screen. Is this seriously not a thing? why not? I saw people recommending an actual little device to plug in. adding a simple filter via software canot be done?

[Anonymous No.6268014]

this is a CRT thread

[Anonymous No.6268045]

>>6267089
facebook marketplace is a goldmine depending on where you live. most good will stores don't take crts anymore but they might still have some for sale. I haven't checked pawn shops.

[Anonymous No.6268047]

which hdmi-svideo converter isn't shit? Until I get a decent set with component input, I'm stuck with s-video(which is still good quality btw).