/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6230362]

what happened to Shining Force?

[Anonymous No.6230412]

>>6230362
>"By 2001, now known as Camelot, they had partnered with Nintendo and created the Mario Tennis and Mario Golf series of sports games, as well as the role-playing video game series Golden Sun. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot_Software_Planning

Other companies started making Shining games after that.

[Anonymous No.6230432]

trpg are not popular anymore unless you make it a soap opera.

[Anonymous No.6230445]

>>6230362

Shitloads of SF games were and continue to be made, but they've been action-RPGs since the 5th gen days because the franchise changed developers.

[Anonymous No.6230447]

Camelot and Sega had a falling out after they abandoned the saturn. There was hidden developer rants in premiums disc for SF3.

[Anonymous No.6230453]

>>6230362
the virgin shining force
vs
the chad dragon force

[Anonymous No.6230779]

>>6230362
Hentai happened.

[Anonymous No.6230785]

>>6230362
The guy that made it died

[Anonymous No.6230801]

Camelot pushed Sega systems hard, helped create Climax and supported most companies who would make the most of the JRPG output for Sega systems.
For all their efforts, they were given very small budgets for the Sega Saturn and sabotaged by management while developing for a console that was a nightmare to develop for.

Eventually, they had a messy divorce with Sega, went and published Beyond the Beyond for the PS1 just because, to own Sega, and Sony made a point of localizing it to stick it to Sega.
Then they went to Nintendo. Sometimes around 2005 they messed up and had a massive talent exodus after they tried to make their own Mario Golf for computers.

Sega is pretending the Camelot Shining series doesn't exist, is annoyed by its existence so much they went on a youtube takedown spree to make room for their mediocre ultra easy mode PSP Shining reboots, because they're so mediocre everyone ignores them.

[Anonymous No.6230802]

It was great, but now it's just a budget, lame series from a hentai artist. It's only the same in name.

[Anonymous No.6230843]

>>6230801
Sounds like no one won

[Anonymous No.6230885]

>>6230779
Man, I miss the cool designs from the old Shining games so fucking much. Tony Taka's art is extremely souless and almost every girl he draws suffers from same face syndrome.

[Anonymous No.6231126]

>>6230779
I swear to god some people just needs their balls cut off for their own good.

[Anonymous No.6231472]

>>6230362
Tony Taka happened and the rest is shitstory.

[Anonymous No.6231474]

I ain't gonna say Tony Taka ain't got talent but it is really sad we lost the cool fairy tale aesthetic we used to have in favor of pure waifu bait

[Anonymous No.6231476]

>>6231474
>I ain't gonna say Tony Taka ain't got talent
Shall someone else to say it for you, then? I'm willing to say it.

[Anonymous No.6231487]

>>6231476
I mean I think he's pretty decent in terms of skill, problem is he just plays it way to safe. He doesn't draw anything but that weird uncanny valley moeblob garbage were nobody acts or even stands like an actual person because they need to check of fetish boxes.

[Anonymous No.6231502]

Playing through 3 for the first time currently and having fun. I'm glad I found this series.

>>6230362
Camelot stopped making them after 3 and after Feather there were no more Force games as such.
Arguably Shining Blade and another PSP one were TRPGs, they used a similar system to Valkyria Chronicles, but neither of them really resemble Shining Force. Blade is about sword waifus for example as I recall. The fact that the PSP ones are JP exclusive and about stuff I don't care about too much hurts too because I really like the VC combat system and combining it with Shining Force could have made for one of my favourite games.

The action RPGs I don't know too much about. There's Neo and Exa but neither are all that good for gameplay, but at least both of those still kind of include some of the cast of fantasy races and stuff you'd gotten in the old ones. The modern ones are Shining in name only at best.

I also wish Feather got a translation patch of some kind, it is kinda fun to play and, while designs are somewhat wonky, it also still seems to retain some of the old magic.

>>6231487
I guess it's ok on a technical level as you say, but compared to the rest of the series, it's just generic looking at best. Purely going on the art.

[Anonymous No.6231525]

>>6230801
Even for Shining Force 2 the devs said they were given very restrictive budgets while the scope of the sequel was much bigger than the original.

[Anonymous No.6231526]

>>6231502
>I guess it's ok on a technical level as you say, but compared to the rest of the series, it's just generic looking at best. Purely going on the art.

Well yeah that was my point really. I mean just look at the image you posted. It's got the characters all set around the campfire and it feels like a real passing scene out of what could be a real adventure. You look at TT's stuff and it's mostly just generic glamour shots or something that feels more at home in a slice of life series rather than a fantasy adventure

[Anonymous No.6231538]

>>6231526
I really like that camp picture. Also the little camp you setup for saving and talking to your crew in FEDA, that is also a neat idea, not strictly SF, but close enough. Haven't played through that proper yet though.

And yeah, just agreeing with you. Unfortunately it seems finding good quality versions of any art for the camelot games is difficult.

[Anonymous No.6232261]

>>6230362
Got completely outclassed by other strategy games, SF is enjoyable and definitely had very passionate teams behind it but as a game it was extremely simple.

[Anonymous No.6232662]

>>6231502
God damn the dude was talented. He could do the most 90s-ass animu bullshit you've ever seen but could also do some decent western-style fantasy art as well. Also he was a die-hard tentacle fan which is becoming increasingly rare

[Anonymous No.6232671]

>>6230362
>Shining Force
Who cares about Fire Emblem For Casuals?

[Anonymous No.6232672]

>>6230779
lol Kajiyama was in the hentai business long before Taka even got his start

[Anonymous No.6232690]

>>6230362
What a cute twink

[Anonymous No.6232704]

>>6232671
>Fire Emblem
>Not for casuals
>Implying you even knew it existed back then until the Smash bandwagon

[Anonymous No.6232726]

>>6232662
That's pretty neat stuff.
>tentacle
Don't give me ptsd for the kraken battle.

[Anonymous No.6232732]

>>6232662
>Also he was a die-hard tentacle fan which is becoming increasingly rare

Tentacles were always my favorite, why are they so out of style. They used to be so ubiquitous

[Anonymous No.6232756]

Moar art

[Anonymous No.6232787]

>>6232756
There some easy source for the stuff? I know the shining force forums have some art saved, but most of it is also at tiny resolutions

[Anonymous No.6232790]

>>6231474
Shining Force 3 art style sucks tho

[Anonymous No.6232792]

>>6232704
Retro FE is one of the hardest tactical RPGs, especially if you don't savescum, silly zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6232805]

>>6232792
fuck unit permadeaths, that's artificial difficulty bullshit

[Anonymous No.6232838]

>>6232756
Losing Kajiyama as an artist hurts quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.6232861]

>>6232790
Clothing and armor design is hit and miss for it, but overall 3 looks pretty neat both in-game and the art I think.

[Anonymous No.6232863]

>>6232792
Retro FE isn't hard because of things like challenge or skill. It's "Hard" because the RNG fucks you over every which way. And don't start with this zoomer shit you GBA faggot. I swear can't have a thread about any SRPG series without some little nintendo faggot coming in trying to pretend he's hardcore.

[Anonymous No.6232921]

>>6232863
>It's "Hard" because the RNG fucks you over every which way.
That's every "hard" RPG in a nutshell, it just boils down to lucky dicerolls instead of real skills.

[Anonymous No.6232932]

[Anonymous No.6232948]

>>6232921
Not when something as vital as character stats are taking out of the players control. It's possibly to have characters who are completely unusable

[Anonymous No.6232962]

>muh real skillz

autists get out.

[Anonymous No.6233048]

>>6232921
>instead of real skills
You mean "real skills" like memorizing enemy patterns and pressing the same fucking buttons in the same fucking order every time you face them?

[Anonymous No.6233061]

>>6233048
You mean learning? Yeah, that's how you acquire skills. Retard.

[Anonymous No.6233075]

>>6232671
i dont give a shit about shining but you fe dicksuckers need to get shot. fe got lucky with awakening pandering to waifu fag like you.
lets face it you didnt give a shit about the series beforehand you fucking zoomer piece of shit and now pretending like you know your shit. no retro fe wasnt hard because the rng was shit and it all boiled down to pattern memorization than actual tactical strategy that required thinking. you want an actual challenging strategy game? go play yggdra union faggot.

[Anonymous No.6233120]

Less autism and more Shining Force, please.

>favorite game?
>favorite characters?
>favorite music?
>best girl?

[Anonymous No.6233174]

>>6233120
>favorite game?
2, but 3 is very close. I haven't played the other 2 scenarios yet, so 3 might be my favorite after that.
>favorite characters
Too many to list. Obright was cool.
>favorite music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz6Wk7JSmLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8g1L0STnyY
First two that came to mind. The fact that you can walk around and explore towns and the world map like a normal RPG is one reason I prefer Shining Force over other SRPGs.
>best girl
Pic related, followed by Masqurin.

[Anonymous No.6233193]

>>6233174
Sarah was best girl. The MC should have gotten with her instead of the stupid narcoleptic princess.

[Anonymous No.6233242]

>>6233120
sorry for my rant. the fe fanbase is like the jojo fanbase of anime and i hate all these elitist faggots.
continue with the lovely shining discussion anon.

[Anonymous No.6233384]

No Jaha, you shouldn't kiss the princess. She is human, Bowie is human, he should kiss her instead. Don't you agree, Sarah?

[Anonymous No.6233390]

grace a best

[Anonymous No.6233558]

>>6233384
Granseal had some really shit ideas about who gets to be with who.

[Anonymous No.6233624]

>>6233120
>favorite game?
Hard to say, haven't played them all yet, currently on Scenario 2 of the third game.
I think 1 is up there. It's clunky in places and lacks some of the refinements of the later two, but it was really fun. I'll have to see what I think of the GBA remake when I get to it.
That said 2 refined it a bit and also let you walk around the world a bit more, which was cool.
And 3 also feels like some further refinement. It is, or at least feels, a lot more linear again too tho, which is unfortunate, but having the more developed story and the updated mechanics is great. Although 3 is fairly hit and miss on some of the designs for the characters, but nothing too bad.
So, I don't know, all pretty good.
>favorite characters?
Just purely going by combat, both May and Lyle were fun to use as mobile artillery.
Going by interactions, I think so far the sort of main quartett of Scenario 1, Synbios, Masquirin, Dantares and Grace, were pretty fun and Scenario 2 seems to be headed in the same way.
Special mention for Sir Astral because most of the cutscenes he is in are great.
>favorite music?
Circus Battle and the Headquarters theme from 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUQk-_r38Dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KL1unuyGh8
>best girl?
You already posted her.

[Anonymous No.6233630]

I always thought Sheela was pretty cool. And you got to see her skinny dip.

[Anonymous No.6233643]

>>6233630
I thought I told you not to stare.

[Anonymous No.6233646]

>>6233643
You told me a lot of things, Gandalf

[Anonymous No.6233647]

>>6233646
Getting real tired of your shit Bowie

[Anonymous No.6233690]

>>6233647
Getting real tired of your class. Seriously you got three students. No Jaha doesn't count. Im not even sure he can count come to think of it. Good job there, Teach.

[Anonymous No.6233707]

>>6233690
>Learned only 2 spells during all course
>Already tired
Maybe, magic is just not for you

[Anonymous No.6234504]

[Anonymous No.6235305]

>>6233384
Wasn't it Chester who wanted to kiss the princess? He wanted her to ride him, if you catch my drift. Because he's half horse. Yeah.

[Anonymous No.6235785]

>>6232948
heard about 0% growths runs? or negative growths for that matter? theres a huge gap between the average casual and those whove played for several years

[Anonymous No.6235791]

>>6235785
Yeah no that shit is bullshit. And fuck off FE fag. Good god, this is why nobody like Nintendobabies.

[Anonymous No.6235835]

>>6233120
>>6233624
Centaurs aren't furry right?

[Anonymous No.6235916]

>>6235835
They're cavalry

[Anonymous No.6236067]

>>6233174
>>6233384
ELVES
ARE
FOR
HUMAN
MEN

[Anonymous No.6236086]

>>6236067
Why did they make that ending like that?
They could've easily just had Sarah say nothing on it, I thought people were meming about how annoying it was.

[Anonymous No.6236096]

>>6236086
It actually, in hindsight, actually seems almost spiteful.

[Anonymous No.6236117]

>>6236096
It was just kinda confusing. It's not like 1 or 3 shy away from showing or hinting at couples between the different lot, but they really rubbed it in at the end of 2. A bit out of the blue too.
And as I recall I don't think Sarah hinted much at liking Bowie until the end either, which is fair given there's little dialogue between characters outside the story in the game, but it felt like in the ending it was just there for no real reason other than to put her down.

[Anonymous No.6236118]

They lost their shine.

[Anonymous No.6236581]

>>6236118
That's forced bro.

[Anonymous No.6236592]

Shining Force was never good, as this thread with nothing but waifufagging exhibits.

[Anonymous No.6236651]

>>6236592
Imagine having wrong opinions

[Anonymous No.6236656]

>>6236592
Waifus just make anything better. Shining Force has other good characters too.

[Anonymous No.6236669]

>>6236656
Obright was good, but Dantares was really good at deleting enemies for my run.

[Anonymous No.6236672]

>>6236669
Yeah, Dantares was great. Probably my favorite centaur in the series.

[Anonymous No.6236679]

>muh plot
>muh writing
>muh characters
cringe...

[Anonymous No.6236693]

>>6236672
I think what helps that case is also that he does play a reasonably important role for the Scenario and therefore has a more character than others.
Although from what I've played Campbell is shaping up to be good too. But I kinda wish they'd changed up the starting roster just a little on the classes.

[Anonymous No.6236703]

[Anonymous No.6236705]

>>6236703

[Anonymous No.6237329]

>>6230362
I remembered the old character designer died. Sega still shows a lot of love for the series to this day and releases a lot of titles. There was a Shining Force fighting game on PS3/PS4. There was a really cool arcade game with touchscreens I was playing with my friends which was called Shining Force Cross, where you raid together. I think I even saw a Shining Force game on Xbox One recently, so it seems to be finding an audience.

[Anonymous No.6237432]

[Anonymous No.6237574]

>>6237329
They still whore the brand sure but it's hardly the same as it used to be. It's not just the aesthetic that changed either.

[Anonymous No.6237734]

>>6230362
they are stand alone action rpgs now under various names containing the word shining

[Anonymous No.6237741]

>>6230779
Sonia was best girl in that game, Kirika is a poop

[Anonymous No.6237743]

>>6237741
>MC is some faggy ass emo collar wearing dragon twink

Im not saying he should be Conan the barbarian/Cimmerian/Savage Sword of, but goddamn I think we can do better than that.

[Anonymous No.6238293]

To anyone that played them. Are Gaiden and CD effectively the same or are there major differences?
As far as I know CD is just a rerelease of the gamegear games but bundled into one with some extras

[Anonymous No.6238868]

>>6232662
I miss tentacle porn.

[Anonymous No.6238986]

>>6238293
CD has an extra chapter or two.

[Anonymous No.6239592]

>>6233174
>>6233193
>>6236067
>>6236117
sarah was shit. stupid ugly look, garbage annoying personality, impossible to keep pace with the rest of the team, and is outclassed by every other healer in the game (karna gets blast, boost, AND aura. frayja gets aura and attack. sheela gets blast and boost, and has competent attack).

sure, the ending WAS weird with awkward pairing of two people that know nothing about each other, and then really poignantly shitting on sarah out of nowhere, but you can straight eat shit if you think she's any kind of worth it. fuck THAT.

[Anonymous No.6239650]

>>6239592
Sarah learns blast too.
She also gets more attack, HP and MP than Sheela, and learns magic at a much better pace.
And while Frayja is a theoretically a better healer, leveling a healer with no offensive power is such a drag I honestly doubt people bother using him for more than a few battles.

Unless you grind Sheela to absurd levels with boost II, Sarah as master monk is second only to Karna.

[Anonymous No.6239706]

>>6230447
really?

[Anonymous No.6239749]

>>6239650
she learns blast extremely slowly. in order for her to keep pace with the team, you have to pray that you leave something alive with 1 hp that she can clean up until she even does learn blast, and she still stuggles with enough mana to do anything. additionally, she's the only healer in the party until the OPTION of karna at the earliest, or until frayja (who will basically already be well ahead of her)

additionally, sarah caps out at 10 exp (or is it 13 after promo? whatever) from heals if monsters dont cut it anymore. meanwhile, aura can cap out with 48-50 a cast, making leveling MUCH easier for frayja and karna. and then boost/boost2 on sheela/karna also gives big exp, so the other 3 have easy unlimited leveling.

sarah is objectively left in the fucking dust both statistically AND as a character.

[Anonymous No.6239761]

>>6239592
>>6239749
It is fun how for any given character you'll get people that claim they're useless or great based on whatever they levelled them like.

Sarah was one of my better units in my run, definitely above the other two monks statswise. Admittedly that included relatively little grinding.

But I also think that generally the natural stat differences of two characters at the same level tend to be negligible unless one got some really lucky rng on one level up.

[Anonymous No.6239774]

>>6239761
but heres the thing, it takes a lot of work and specific catering to keep sarah relevant. meanwhile, other healers get dropped on you at an appropriate level for that stage of the game AND immediately useful AND with the tools to STAY relevant and useful. sarah has.... shitty basic heal, and eventually blast to help her clean up. so why keep her in the party? as a "fighter"? why use her instead of literally anyone else that does fighting better and with less catering/feeding? why keep her on as a healer when the other 3 do MORE healing and/or provide MORE utility?

[Anonymous No.6239781]

>>6239774
>but heres the thing, it takes a lot of work

It really doesn't.

[Anonymous No.6239784]

Alright, guess I'll give Shining Force 1 a shot.

[Anonymous No.6239790]

>>6239774
I feel like it was the opposite. Take Sheela for example she joins so late that she can have trouble catching up unless you egress grind. Meanwhile Sarah has the whole game to heal allies or kill enemies.

But honestly I also dont really care too much for oprimisation or autisming stats for these games so, sure purely based on that you may be right.

>>6239784
Have fun

[Anonymous No.6239807]

>>6239781
then please enlighten me how you can magically keep her alive, keep your team alive, and provide her with equivalent experience gain to the rest of the team.

oh wait, you cant. because you're full of shit. 10exp per heal is abysmal. keeping everyone stocked up with healing items to compensate for her inability to do her job as a healer is just circumventing bad design/pacing, and its going out of your way to enable her to take a turn NOT healing and trying to kill something. so you have to get something low enough for her GARBAGE attack to deal 1 damage, and let it live until its her turn, and hope her 5 move can get her close enough, and that it doesnt aggro to her and kill her for being frail and useless. and then once you get her to 10, she can use blast! oh boy! it needs 6hp before she can finish it off, which is a little easier, but still the same scenario. if she happens to get in on something first and casts blast... that 6dmg isnt going to get her much experience, probably only as much as a heal would. not exactly the biggest credit to the team there in terms of experience or battle influence through health/damage, and then she still has to not die to it after.

by the time you get peter/may (and certainly by the time you get gerhalt/luke, you can literally ignore her existence, put healing items on people, and get through battles faster and more efficiently than if you try and save scraps for her. even by late game, other characters just does literally everything she does, but better, and without needing as much saving of scraps. if you dont think so, then you're either playing a busted version of the game, cant see straight through your waifu/nostalgia goggles, or you simply dont know what the fuck you're talking about. regardless of which of those 3 options it is, you should kill yourself because your faggot opinion is invalid and doesnt reflect objective, observable reality.

[Anonymous No.6239817]

>>6239790
>Sarah has the whole game to heal allies or kill enemies.
like i said, it takes work to save scraps just for her.
>Sheela for example she joins so late that she can have trouble catching up
except that she comes with boost (which is an incredibly powerful skill that sarah does NOT provide) so her exp gain stream is secured and comes easily. in addition to providing boost, that steady exp stream can easily raise her to competent levels of combat, and the fact that boost never stops providing the exp means that she can outscale everyone. also, while she might join "so late" and be a bit "behind", she should only be SLIGHTLY behind (if that) and sarah would have had to have struggled and been CONSTANTLY FED for the WHOLE game to not have fallen behind by that point as well.

additionally, what the fuck does sarah provide that other people dont provide BETTER and with LESS CATERING? absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.6239849]

is the GBA Shining Force worth playing?

[Anonymous No.6239862]

>>6239817
>>6239807
did Sarah kick your dog?

[Anonymous No.6239903]

>>6239849
Havent completed it yet but from what I can tell you get some extra dialogue and some additional systems compared to the original.
I don't know if they changed the story around or not.

The downside is that the combat sprites for it are worse looking than on the original in my opinion, because they didnt outline them.

>>6239807
>>6239817
It's fine if you don't feel like using her as a party member. But I am merely pointing out that I had no trouble with her keeping up in my runs.

[Anonymous No.6239937]

>>6239807
Sound like she just doesn't work well with your playstyle. With that said just because you can't use her well doesn't automatically mean everybody else also can't use her. Like it is doubtful you are the best player to use Sarah ever, in fact given your playstyle and complaints it is safer to assume you are below average in terms of using her objectively speaking, at least to those who you calling bullshit on. The fact you are buying items and using them over using her heal and the fact you admit to try attacking with her instead of just healing kinda shows where you are making your mistakes. You say 10 exp isn't shit but over the long run while many characters may have turns doing nothing there is a spell she can use on anyone (including herself) at any time for that free 10 exp. Can't recommend doing such personally as it break the game easily when you play like such. She might not be as broken as say Gong on Shining Force 1 who reach Promotion almost immediately after getting him and abusing the mechanics but the potential is there for her. You just choose to not cheese the game which is fair but you shouldn't outright deny the fact it is possible to do.

[Anonymous No.6239957]

>>6239849
It is annoying to play as almost every boss in the game have a hidden condition for you to be able to get a card for one of the three added characters in the game. It is basically a game you need to play with GameFAQs open if you want to 100% complete it in a single playthrough. Even then save scumming may be required. I'll say play it if you are bored of the original but it honestly doesn't add much but a new annoyance to serve as a challenge for you. On the plus side the game also added a NG+ feature so if you desire you can play "blind" the first time then follow a guide the 2nd time though at that point it kinda defeat the reason to collect the cards in the first place as it is meant to be used by the character who is an early unlockable on NG+. It just feel like a chore for me. With that said it doesn't remove anything from the original game so I can't call it a bad remake, just kinda lacking. It is like comparing Dragon Warrior 3 for the NES and GBC but instead of having all of the nice added features on GBC you get only the medals and rewards for collecting say medals. That is how lacking it is.

[Anonymous No.6240546]

>>6239937
>spell she can use on anyone (including herself) at any time for that free 10 exp.
so you need 10 turns to go up in level. meanwhile, actual fighters that get kills and deal damage do it in 3 turns.
>while many characters may have turns doing nothing
usually during the initial advance, when nobody has damage yet, in which case, she's not able to do anything either. and when theres "killed some guys, position for the next engagement" and fighters are "doing nothing", sarah is not "pulling ahead" by healing them, but desperately playing catch-up 10exp at a time, which they already blew out of the water with 48. she would need 5 turns of straight heals to break even with a character getting a kill in combat ONCE. and lets be real, fighters are killing more than one thing a battle, and sometimes just doing some damage AS WELL. the experience difference per battle is objectively huge. your argument is completely invalid. like i said, you would have to CATER to her to keep her even with the team. leave her scraps to clean up, or repeat so many battles that every character is down to 1 exp for KILLS, and you're STILL trying to give sarah exp.

im not "making mistakes" with my "playstyle". im pointing out that it objectively takes special care, catering/feeding, and TIME INVESTED to specifically get her to stay relevant. "You just choose to not cheese the game", i've done fucking everything in this game dude. im not denying that its "possible" to level her up, im saying its a fucking chore, especially compared to literally anyone else. sarah is just an obnoxious, shit character, and unit not worth putting the effort into. every single thing she does, somebody else can do, and do better. you're just a fucking idiot that cant see simple facts.

[Anonymous No.6240551]

>>6239903
>But I am merely pointing out that I had no trouble with her keeping up in my runs.
its nice that you feel that catering to her is "no trouble" and fits right in with how you enjoy the game, but that doesnt change objective reality for what it takes to actually DO that for her.

[Anonymous No.6240607]

>>6240546
The game is easy enough that none of it matters that much. I used her and the other healers in my party. You get Frayja and Sheela late in the game, so you don't have much choices for healers anyway through most of the game. You also can't level them past 20 before promotion either, so their maximum power is less than Sarah's.

Monks are a great class, so I don't mind having two or three in my party.

[Anonymous No.6240660]

>>6240551
I don't know, it doesn't feel that way. I completed the game with pretty much no grinding or special tactics and she just gets up there because she tends to be the main healer for quite a bit and then a punchy healer.
It's like how all of a sudden my Grace was three or four levels ahead of everyone in SF3 because she was just my one healer running around constantly casting spells.

[Anonymous No.6241947]

bump

[Anonymous No.6242042]

>>6240546
>>6240551
Jesus Shit, shut up already. I have never seen someone so autistic about who uses a character in a silly game.

[Anonymous No.6242153]

>>6233120
>favorite game?
I'm torn between 1 and 2. I played the shit out of 2 before I even got the first one and 2 has a hell of a lot of improvements, like not needing to select talk from the menu. My god. But it's also got much cooler oddball characters. In 2, ALL your mages are elves. In 1, you had Domingo, whatever the fuck he was and Alef. That and Gerhalt was no Zylo.

>favorite characters?
Zylo was a badass in 1 and I stuck with him. Dawn and Shade from CD were sweet and I stuck with them. And Master Monk Sarah kicked all manner of ass in 2.

>favorite music?
Circus theme. Even if the Marionette did push my shit all the way in.

>best girl?
Probably May. Blonde horse girl with a ponytail? Sign me up! Honourable mention to Sarah.

[Anonymous No.6242163]

>>6240546
Correct me if I'm wrong but she's the only character with the Slow spell and if it sticks on a bad guy, someone's getting FUCKED.

[Anonymous No.6242173]

>>6242153
I forgot that talk had to be selected in 1. Also items not going to someone who had an empty spot was clunky.

[Anonymous No.6243490]

[Anonymous No.6243691]

>>6242163
>if
oh yeah, gotta love the "if" spells. and what exactly lives long enough for slow to matter, besides bosses?

>>6240660
there is no world in which a basic healer keeps pace or gets ahead of the rest of the team without grinding. it simply isnt mathematically possible. and thats not even including the early mana restrictions, which make it even more impossible. its fine that it worked out for you in the end and all, but dont be disingenuous about how you did it.

>>6240607
>can't level them past 20 before promotion either, so their maximum power is less than Sarah's.
while that may be true for super high levels and all (at which point stats dont matter because everything is one-shot and deals only 1 dmg), again, every other healer can reach those peaks at 4-5x the rate sarah can. my whole point isnt that she doesnt have end game potential, its that the process to GET her there is so much harder than for the others, AND she doesnt offer anything useful while they DO.

>>6242042
kill yourself then, faggot. if sarah is your precious waifu, you not only have shit taste, but you're also retarded. im not saying you cant use her, im just pointing out how bad she is in comparison, and how she takes objectively more work and effort than other characters, with nothing particular to show for it.

[Anonymous No.6243714]

>>6243691
>again, every other healer can reach those peaks at 4-5x the rate sarah can.
The only other healer that can do that is Karna.
>she doesnt offer anything useful while they DO.
Slow is kinda cool. Even if other healers are a bit better, she's still better than a lot of units.

[Anonymous No.6243779]

>>6243714
>The only other healer that can do that is Karna.
ok, i've already thoroughly explained why all 3 of them can, so i would love to hear in DETAIL what makes you say otherwise and how im wrong. i mean, you objectively cant and are wrong, because math, but i would love to see you embarrass yourself by trying to prove your claim.

[Anonymous No.6243784]

>>6243779
The only other healer that can reach Sarah's peak is Karna, because she's the only other one that can level past 20 before promoting. Frayja and Sheela join already promoted. No complicated math necessary.

[Anonymous No.6243826]

>>6243691
Let me be clear for 3 I did grind, because I know I'll need the team again later, but Grace surged ahead somewhat before that. For 2 I didnt, beyond running into those damn overworld encounters a few times, simple as that. Just used heal often and got some lucky hits I guess.
I don't know what else to tell you.

Mind you I do try to keep everyone at roughly the same level and prioritise who kills an enemy for the XP based on that as best as possible. But if you class that as grinding then I don't know.

[Anonymous No.6243902]

>>6236703
>>6236705
Do you have more of this artist?
I saw one cropped header pic but never got to see the full picture

[Anonymous No.6244064]

>>6243902
https://twitter.com/Pict_A_Piyond

[Anonymous No.6244652]

>>6243784
well im not talking about tippy top level 99 stats. im talking about being functional during regular game play. sarah has a shit rate of exp game unless you put in the work to make and save scraps for her. heal is only 10exp. even if you want to have sarah grind through an additional 20 pre-promo levels, her rate of exp gain is abysmal. however, karna, frayja, and sheela all have means of getting max exp a turn (48-50), so their rate of exp gain is literally 4-5x as much as sarah's. even to the point where killing a monster is only 1 exp, their spells still allow them full exp, but sarah's best is still 10. i dont remember how long it takes karna to first learn those spells, but frayja and sheela get dropped in immediately useful. they'll be gaining exp with the best of them, while sarah is still on her knees begging for scraps.

so even if we were talking lvl99 tippy top stats, all 3 others will hit 99 4-5x faster than sarah, in which case they'll be sitting pretty with dope stats and sarah will be like 30+ levels behind. not complicated math.

[Anonymous No.6244690]

>>6244652
I see what you're saying. It's definitely easy for her to fall behind if you don't cater to her a bit. Same with Grace in Shining Force 3. I've found that it's not too much effort though if you just make sure to use up their heals every battle. The consistent 10 exp adds up fast. Her leveling ends up outpacing a lot of characters, though you're right about spells the other healers get like Boost 2 being better for leveling. Fortunately there's the Protect Ring for casting Boost 1, which gives anybody using it 25 per turn. Sucks that it cracks though and you have to keep repairing it.

I think she's worth a little effort in the beginning to get another Monk, but I can see why you wouldn't want to bother with it.

[Anonymous No.6244710]

What do people think of Slade? The stuff about Sarah reminded me that I had trouble leveling him at the start. Don't think I've ever used Slade in my final party, but people say he's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.6244754]

>>6244710
slades an absolute monster, around level 18 or 20 he starts getting insane stat increases of 2 or 3 points per level and is one of the few characters that can pull his weight to promote at level 40

[Anonymous No.6244779]

>>6244710
Dude is definitely top 3, but only after promotion.

[Anonymous No.6244781]

>>6244710
Weak start and then he gets up there. Almost dismissed the guy, but he caught up pretty well at some point.
>reminded me
Exactly my sentiments on the debate up there, it seems that most characters can do really well, but it depends on your playstyle.

[Anonymous No.6244840]

>>6244690
>Her leveling ends up outpacing a lot of characters
once again you're so wrong it hurts. you have to redo battles so many fucking times for that to happen. fighters can easily get 10+ points just for damaging stuff. 48 for kills. a fighter can easily get 2 kills a fight, and get damage hits in. thats over 100exp a battle. sarah would have to cast heal 10 times to earn 100 exp. she doesnt even get 30mp for a LONG time. also thats sitting in battle for TEN full rotations, what are you even doing with your time?

so no, you're objectively wrong about basic heal allowing her to "out pace" literally ANYBODY. its not complicated math. stop being retarded.

[Anonymous No.6244849]

>>6244840
Compare to Slade, who has to kill enemies. Sarah can just heal every turn. She can use herbs too.

You're wrong, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.6244856]

>>6244710
when you get him, you dont even have a full party yet. he's a pretty solid addition. he might deal low-ish damage for his first level or two, but he should pick up pretty quickly. if he's still lagging (he shouldnt be. and dont forget to buy his weapons as well as other peoples) by the time you get the power ring, you can put that on him as a crutch to catch him up (again, at equal levels, he should absolutely be pulling his own weight). and once you promote him, he has an unimpaired move of 7 and becomes an absolute powerhouse.

and then the cute little bonus end game, with his best mithril weapon having a chance to instakill any non-boss.

[Anonymous No.6244865]

>>6244849
imagine being this retarded and trying to argue against math. wow.

items like herbs only give 1 exp. heal doesnt give 10exp unless somebody is missing hp (any slow turns during the initial advance dont get to count). again, there are enough monsters in a battle that every fighter can earn over 100exp easily. meanwhile, sarah doesnt even have enough mana to earn 100exp, and a battle wont even take that long in most cases.

you're wrong, and retarded. deal with it. your waifu sucks. you're arguing against simple math, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6244883]

>>6244865

[Anonymous No.6244896]

>>6244865
Imagine being this wrong about everything

[Anonymous No.6244898]

>>6244883
because if you're old enough to remember this game, you're an adult. and an adult should have the cognizance to be able to understand simple math. if somebody is unable to grasp small things like that, then they probably cant grasp bigger and more important things in daily life either. they're a shit person and a drain on society.

[Anonymous No.6244901]

>>6244898
Maybe if your math was right you'd have a point.

[Anonymous No.6244908]

>>6244896
its not like you're presenting any sort of facts or data comparison, so i guess you're just trolling and shitposting. its really all you CAN do.

go ahead buddy, record a battle and prove me wrong. would you like me to pick the battle for you?

[Anonymous No.6244913]

>>6244901
go ahead buddy, provide me some counterpoint math. oh wait, you cant, because it doesnt exist, lmao.

[Anonymous No.6244920]

>>6244908
>>6244913
>there's only one battle in the game
Wow

[Anonymous No.6244921]

>>6244865
>heal doesnt give 10exp unless somebody is missing hp

I'm playing SF2 right now and this is definitely wrong.
Using Heal on character with max health always gives 10exp. If you do nothing but Heal yourself, that's 30 mana for 1 level.

[Anonymous No.6244924]

>>6244908
He's right though, all healers level fast.

[Anonymous No.6244934]

>>6244920
did i say that anywhere? i dont think i did. oh, right, because i didnt. what i did say was that each battle, even fighters naturally out pace her. it doesnt matter which battle. it happens EVERY battle. and if you redo a battle, the fighters do it again. only it the fighter gets too high and monsters stop giving exp, thats the only time sarah can catch up. but once again, that is definitively catering and feeding her, as well as her objectively not out pacing them.

try again.

[Anonymous No.6244943]

>>6244865
>sarah doesnt even have enough mana to earn 100exp, and a battle wont even take that long in most cases.
She usually has over 21 mp at level 11 or so, just to give a rough reference. That's 70 guaranteed experience every battle. Even after the monsters are too weak to give much experience, she'll gain over 70 experience every battle. Sarah is beautiful and awesome. Possibly the best character in the game!

[Anonymous No.6244949]

Everybody should play Shining the Holy Ark if you haven't already.

[Anonymous No.6244960]

Anon, you've been at this for a few days now, I think it's time to accept that while you had issues keeping her up, others didn't, and that while your style of play saw her fall behind, other's didn't.

The facts are that she can use heal for some free XP if she can't do anything else worthwile that turn, which helps her gain levels relatively quickly. Combined with making her a punchy healer and having her attack stuff too that makes for a good combo with no turn wasted to not getting XP.
Meanwhile the other monks do get boost, which is very useful for the same reason, and helps them level quicker too. Which for them is also helpful because by the time they join you they'll most likely be underlevelled compared to your party.

Both have their ups and downs, and who ends up at a higher level in the end almost entirely depends on how you deploy those characters.

>>6244949
It's on the list.
But no knights is a letdown

[Anonymous No.6244972]

>>6244921
well even i can be wrong. perhaps im thinking of what triggers the extra experience for aura. it HAS been some years since my last playthrough.

regardless, she still falls behind.

>>6244943
man, if only other people gained over 70exp a battle. oh wait, they do. and then some.

[Anonymous No.6244982]

>>6244972
Not every battle. Sometimes you have to "cater" to them too, by saving some kills for them. You can throw Sarah some kills too if you want a little extra.

Also, seems that you agree she can gain experience just as easily as anybody else then.

[Anonymous No.6244994]

>>6244972
>man, if only other people gained over 70exp a battle. oh wait, they do. and then some.
Keep in mind that's 70 exp at level 11. The amount only goes up from there.

[Anonymous No.6245005]

>>6244960
>some free XP if she can't do anything else worthwile that turn
trust me, she cant
>which helps her gain levels
and not "quickly"

my entire point is that not only do you have to cater to her and give her extra time as opposed to ANYBODY else, but you have to cater to her for the ENTIRE game, while the others join immediately useful and self sufficient, offering more to the team than what she offers. she is outshined and outclassed by the others. trying to argue that sarah is better than the others or doesnt take special care to hold up is just being disingenuous. its like trying to argue that taya is the best sorcerer just because she's "cute", when in fact she's the worst.

again, even if sarah has the highest potential stat cap (as if it matters), every other healer can hit their stat cap 4-5x faster, AND provide better spells to the team, AND take less catering/time doing it.

[Anonymous No.6245008]

>>6245005
Even if other healers are better to an extent, she's better than a lot of characters. Using up your MP every battle takes a little extra time, but it's not a big deal for me.

[Anonymous No.6245012]

>>6244994
thats also IF a battle even goes on for that many rounds and IF you dont need to actually use heal to save people. and again, those early levels/battles the fighters are getting AHEAD of her. so "outpacing" will simply never happen unless you specifically cater to and farm her.

[Anonymous No.6245013]

>>6245008
>but it's not a big deal for me.
and the point was never "whether your autism can handle it", but rather just the facts and truth of the matter.

[Anonymous No.6245017]

>>6245012
Yeah, but a battle can go on for as many rounds as you want. You're right you'll spend a little extra time, and it's true you don't have to bother with that for characters like Karna. But it's not like you even need to use Egress and repeat battles. It's pretty fast, and takes less effort than equally giving kills to your fighters.
>>6245013
But what's your point? Just that using up your MP takes a little extra time and you don't think it's worthwhile?

[Anonymous No.6245021]

if only frayja could be a monk

[Anonymous No.6245035]

>>6245017
You probably don't even need to spend any additional time at all, if you just have her sitting back and healing while the rest of the battle is going on.

[Anonymous No.6245039]

>>6245035
*except for the time watching the Heal animation, of course

[Anonymous No.6245053]

>>6245017
>But what's your point?
man, reading comprehension is fucking hard, huh?
she's outclassed and done so with less effort from others. the only way she's kept remotely competent is through dedicated catering over the ENTIRE game. she's a shit unit. she's also a shit character. your waifu is shit on two fronts. kill yourself. THATS the point.

[Anonymous No.6245063]

>>6245053
>outclassed
Arguably by the other healers that you get much later.
>the only way she's kept remotely competent is through dedicated catering over the ENTIRE game
No, just the early game, and it doesn't even take any effort to do.
>she's a shit unit
Better than most characters.
>she's also a shit character
Wrong.

I think you're just jealous.

[Anonymous No.6245064]

>>6245063

[Anonymous No.6245067]

>>6245013
>this anon calling anybody else autistic

[Anonymous No.6245069]

Waifushit on /vr/ is always so interesting to witness.
Like a tunnel back to the 90's with shitposting quality of the 2010's.

[Anonymous No.6245075]

>>6245069
Yeah, it's fun. Stupid arguments about the most optimal characters in RPGs reminds me of old GameFAQs boards in the early 2000s.

Also, everybody knows Masqurin is the best Shining waifu.

[Anonymous No.6245107]

>>6245075
You misspelled Mae, common mistake.
Masqurin was pretty good tho

[Anonymous No.6245131]

>>6245107
Imagine the ponut

[Anonymous No.6245136]

>>6245131
Do you think she would make me smile?

[Anonymous No.6245208]

Google'd "Shining Force artist" and got Tony Taka. Sad day.

Anyway, R.I.P. Hiroshi Kajiyama.

https://videogamesdensetsu.tumblr.com/post/175911640530/kensuke-suzuki-%E9%88%B4%E6%9C%A8%E5%81%A5%E4%BB%8B-aka-hiroshi-kajiyama-%E6%A2%B6%E5%B1%B1%E6%B5%A9

[Anonymous No.6245226]

>>6245131
>>6245136
>>>/out/
Both of you

[Anonymous No.6245330]

>>6230362
Why do all the best art styles get wasted on strategy games

[Anonymous No.6245507]

>>6245330
What about SotN and Metal Gear?

[Anonymous No.6245805]

>>6245507
If we're talking the official art, I don't care for them. Metal Gear is too scratchy and SotN WRECKED CastleVania forever both aesthetically and in terms of gameplay.

[Anonymous No.6245837]

>>6245208
His art got worse and more stiff over time

Golden Sun art looks terrible

[Anonymous No.6245868]

>>6245837
>Golden Sun

Well, it was a game for children, on a Nintendo console. That might explain it's simplicity. Probably.
His last work, Curse Blood, looks fantastic imo.

[Anonymous No.6245904]

>>6244710
He's made of glass, but he gets hero good if you farm xp for him.

[Anonymous No.6246064]

>>6233120
1
Domingo, Peter
SFII town theme
Anri

[Anonymous No.6246069]

>>6239903
>>6239849
Yup, they did add new stuff to the plot.

[Anonymous No.6246118]

Hiroshi Kajiyama's work has always been more focused on matching what the project he was hired for 'needed'. His work for Golden Sun was simply what was appropriate for the game, much like how you can obviously tell he was hired to do something "Frazetta style" for the Dragon Warrior 2 cover for American audiences.

pic only somewhat related, its Yoshitaka Tamaki's extremely distinct style that contributed just as much to SF as Kajiyama's. A bit of his opposite in some ways, as his style is extremely distinct but less flexible.

[Anonymous No.6246146]

SUEZEN is the best SF artist

[Anonymous No.6246162]

What’s everyone’s opinion on Shining Wisdom?

[Anonymous No.6246518]

>>6239706
https://tcrf.net/Shining_Force_III:_Premium_Disc

[Anonymous No.6246524]

>>6246162
Haven't played it yet, but those I know who have won't shut up about Sarah and Kazin's relationship in it.

[Anonymous No.6246540]

>>6246162
I tried a little bit of it to see how it played, but that was a weird combat system with the running. Not quite Ys bumpercars and not quite Zelda.
No clue what to think of it just from the first few minutes or so.

>>6246524
That a thing?

[Anonymous No.6246553]

Found out today there's a manga from the JP MegaDrive magazine that connects Shining in the Darkness and FEDA.
Crazy shit, never translated.

[Anonymous No.6246556]

>>6246553
Got a link to the manga?

[Anonymous No.6246559]

>>6246556
Yup.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nlu55z21g8a958x/Doomblade%20Manga.zip

[Anonymous No.6246589]

>>6246559
Thanks Anon

[Anonymous No.6246632]

>>6246553
>never translated

https://forums.shiningforcecentral.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25774#p691849

[Anonymous No.6246904]

>>6246632
>Be aware that for some reason, starting from chapter 3 until 10, I misinterpreted the reading order to be from right to left instead of left to right, and therefore have the panels misnumbered and misordered.
kek

[Anonymous No.6247119]

>>6245837
Golden Sun is terrible in general. As bad as Sega is Camelot really needed them over their heads too.

[Anonymous No.6247152]

>>6237743
Biggest reason why I didn't pick up the game.

[Anonymous No.6247180]

When I was like 6, I got a Saturn, some demo CDs, Sonic Jam and Shining Force 3 for Christmas.
Letting the MC die in SF3 scared the crap out of me, so I always tried to hide him away from the enemies.
Going through that battle in the backyard with a lv1 Synbios and Dantares was hell. And don't even get me started on Quonos.

[Anonymous No.6247194]

>>6247180
>backyard
The battle outside Saraband or the first battle of the game?

[Anonymous No.6247258]

>>6247194
The Wilmer fight.
You have to survive with just Synbios and Dantares for a bunch of rounds before the rest of the party smashes through the windows.

[Anonymous No.6247267]

>>6247258
Oh wait, you were afraid of losing Synbios so much that you didn't have him levelled at all. I get you now.
Yeah I can imagine that making that courtyard battle pretty damn hard.

[Anonymous No.6247596]

>>6246553
And a Shining Force manga with disgusting art, too.

Synopsis
>Shining Force -Descent of Great Intention- is set a few years after the events of the original Shining Force and takes lead Verge, along with his friends Shaun and Meg as a mini-Shining Force against a group of people who think kidnapping princesses and bringing back Dark Dragon are really ace ideas.
>On the way this new Shining Force bumps into a few familiar faces from the game, the most notable being Max, Anri and Musashi.

They turned Max into a leather daddy in this one iirc.

[Anonymous No.6247602]

>>6230362
3D happened

[Anonymous No.6247605]

>>6230453
>Saturn
Not even once

[Anonymous No.6247681]

Doing a Max solo run.
The only real challenge was Elliot. After that I reached level 20 and promoted Max. Are solo runs that easy in every Shining game?

[Anonymous No.6248275]

>>6247681
Iom in CD is a bitch because you need to smack him with a second character to make him vulnerable before you can start wailing on him. And Red Baron in 2 is a cunt because his Sword of Darkness casts Desoul. Any enemy packing that can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6248284]

>>6230432
>trpg

transexual rpg?

[Anonymous No.6248414]

>>6247681
The main characters are usually pretty overkill so it might be.

[Anonymous No.6248993]

Okay, finished the run. That's a first time I finished a Shining game this fast.
I spoke too early about it being a breeze after promotion. There are way too many attacks that ignore defense in last two chapters. Still, it's manageable, especially abusing Sword of Light/Chaos Breaker magic attacks, though the Dark Dragon battle is basically an RNGfest.
I probably won't play it this way again, though I might do a run that skips all the characters that can be skipped (including the starting party) for fun later. So, being stuck with just Mae and Khris until the birds.
>>6248275
Desoul isn't that bad in the first game. It killed me a few times, but I'd take it over high level magic or being surrounded by laser robots.
>>6248414
I guess I could make it hard by promoting Max at level 10. Imagine being stuck with shit stats for a few chapters and not quite reaching high stats even during the end of the game.

[Anonymous No.6249067]

>no Shining characters in Sega Heroes

Forever forgotten.

[Anonymous No.6249183]

>>6246553
FEDA is connected to Shining? Seriously?

[Anonymous No.6249392]

>>6247596
nice

[Anonymous No.6249434]

>>6248993
am i the only one that hates the downgrade of bolt 2 to freeze 3 for the swords? it should be the other way around.

[Anonymous No.6249463]

>>6249434
its also dumb in the second game that they have the sword of darkness for no reason, but no sword of light. and then the glowy special sword is "the force sword" or "the holy sword" which sounds super gay compared to "the chaos breaker"

[Anonymous No.6249501]

>>6249434
You know, it bothered me, but after I used it more I stopped minding that. Main thing that Bolt 2 is better at is exp farming, which isn't a big deal.
>>6249463
Wasn't it Dark Sword, like in CD and Gaiden 3?
>and then the glowy special sword is "the force sword" or "the holy sword" which sounds super gay
Still better than Sword of Hajya.

[Anonymous No.6249617]

Speaking of things that I hate in games after the first one: characters that join already promoted. Aside from mages (for obvious reasons), they always suck ass, so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.6249671]

>>6249617
They only suck if you either promoted your characters at level 40, or save scummed to get the best stats at each level up.
The game was not made to handle autistic min/maxing, there's not even a point in doing so, as there's no secret ultra boss or anything alike. Inb4 boss gauntlet

[Anonymous No.6249770]

>>6249671
>if you either promoted your characters at level 40
Is there a point to NOT promote your characters as late as possible, unless you want the game to be harder?

[Anonymous No.6249814]

>>6249770
>always promoted right as it's available
>never had issues with the game difficulty
I don't get this meme

[Anonymous No.6249836]

>>6249770
Mostly just wanting to avoid grinding at all I guess. Your characters get stronger and can use better equipment in some cases when promoted, so fighting more battles staying unpromoted will be somewhat more difficult. Like >>6249814 said, you won't have trouble promoting right away. Waiting to promote makes your characters super strong though.

[Anonymous No.6249842]

>>6246559
damn that quality is shit

[Anonymous No.6249860]

>>6249814
Ah, no, the game is fairly easy either way.
I just don't get why would you intentionally lose stats, while also making level progression harder, as battles would give you less exp. It's annoying.
>>6249836
You don't need to grind for that. Well, at least in SF1 and CD. As for SF2, it shouldn't be a problem to wait until level 30 at least. If anything, it makes progression to feel more natural.

[Anonymous No.6251242]

>>6249860
Yeah, good point. I was thinking of 2 mostly.

[Anonymous No.6251276]

Holy shit, I was thinking about playing the SF remake on GBA and I just discovered that mages do not carry their magic progress once promoted.
So if a character learns some new magic at level 15, and you promote at level 10, they won't learn anything new for the next 14 levels. This is fucked up, are mages/healers even viable in this game? I don't feel like playing it anymore.

[Anonymous No.6251298]

Did you know Nova has fully functional stats that are never used in-game?

[Anonymous No.6251319]

>>6251276
>and you promote at level 10

Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.6251343]

>>6251319
Because you can't learn a level 23 magic without promoting, and every level you get without promoting contributes in nothing towards those high level magics.

[Anonymous No.6251367]

Didn't know Landstalker was set in the Shining universe.

[Anonymous No.6251378]

>>6251367
That's Time Stalkers.

[Anonymous No.6251389]

>>6251367
Yogurt is literally in the cover.

[Anonymous No.6251457]

>>6251367
>>6251389
Gimme my damn knights then
Those games worth playing though? I know nothing about them

[Anonymous No.6251580]

>>6251276
Yeah, it's fucked, now Arthur is too far from reaching Bolt. Though I got to admit, I don't use magic that much in Shining games.
You can always promote them at the level when they get their last magic of the first 20 levels. Either way, they are inherently viable due to how magic and heals in Shining work. Most of the time higher level magic is just a waste of resources.

[Anonymous No.6251608]

>>6251580
Arthur is a bit odd with when he learns his spells anyway, it's all really late. Or at least I don't think I ever saw him go beyond some really basic stuff in the original either.
>higher level magic
The AOE ones are good for getting some damage spread around if anything. Or some more range.

[Anonymous No.6251646]

Why Archers are so overlooked in SF1? They are strong as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6251737]

>>6238293
It's been awhile since I played CD, but from what I remember it uses SF2's system and aesthetics, has an Epilogue where both armies join for a number of battles, some extra scenes that help tie Gaiden 1, 2 and SF1, and a extra chapter where you fight all enemies at once.
There's probably more content that I'm forgetting about.

[Anonymous No.6251754]

>>6247596
Here's our boi Max rocking a leather jacket.

[Anonymous No.6251771]

>>6251737
Thanks, another thread had also cleared it up somewhat. I just wondered if there was a considerable difference in story or so, but then it's more or less what I've heard about it.

>>6251754
Not really fitting, but not as bad as I imagined going by that earlier cover

[Anonymous No.6251786]

>>6251646
I like Lyle for being top-heavy. Ranged units are best when they're glass cannons since they're attacking from a distance and shouldn't take much for retaliation. The more balanced archers who come before just don't stand out for anything. I don't know the averages off hand but it feels like they don't hit as hard as spear users do, nor are they anywhere near as durable.

[Anonymous No.6251884]

>>6251457
First is great
Idk about Lady stalker, Dark Savoir, or Time Stalker though

[Anonymous No.6251892]

>>6251786
I like Lyle, but only when there are no forest terrain.
Statwise, he's only slightly better than Hans. Like, he wasn't as overpowered as, for example, Stock in SFCD.
>I don't know the averages off hand but it feels like they don't hit as hard as spear users do, nor are they anywhere near as durable.
Archers got more range than spear users later on and their high tier weapon isn't a one-off, while giving the same attack, so it's somewhat mitigated.

[Anonymous No.6251893]

>>6251754
Pretty cool look actually.

[Anonymous No.6252119]

>>6251754
He became Bean Bandit

[Anonymous No.6252474]

>>6252119
based

[Anonymous No.6252510]

>>6230362
Anniversary is next year, there might be something planned for it.

[Anonymous No.6252538]

>>6233120
>>favorite game?
Shining Force I
>>favorite characters?
Domingo and the Wolfman
>>favorite music?
The one from the battle with Kane in the little town where you find Blue. It plays during a few battles.
>>best girl?
Anri

[Anonymous No.6252595]

>>6252119
I knew he reminded me of something there.
kek

[Anonymous No.6253127]

>>6251884
Never played lady stalker but dark savior is one of the funniest games I've played. Similar gameplay to landstalker but with 5 different endings all taking place in the same island. Lots of cool terrain and a weird monster catching system.
Time stalkers isn't as good but it's still a personal favourite. It's like a rouglike rpg kind of, your level is reset to one each time you enter a dungeon and you can only take a weapon with you. Lyle is recruitable and so is lady from ladystalker. As time goes on different worlds get attached to your hub world letting you communicate with cavemen, Yakuza and a bunny in bondage gear

[Anonymous No.6253128]

>>6253127
>cavemen, Yakuza and a bunny in bondage gear
I like all these things. Sounds like a game for me.

[Anonymous No.6253208]

>>6253127
This sounds like dumb fun.

[Anonymous No.6254440]

Playing through the second book of CD for the first time. It's really neat, but new battle sprites (Deanna, Jaha, Luke, Slade) look off. I get why they made ones for MC and male priest, but other two had no reason to exist. Jaha's particulary ugly.
It would be cool if they did a unique sprite for every character like in RoDD, but doing it like this is just half-assed.

[Anonymous No.6254620]

>>6245107
HORSE

PUSSY

[Anonymous No.6254868]

>>6254620
Just for you

[Anonymous No.6254914]

>>6254440
Got a picture?

[Anonymous No.6255518]

>>6254914
For what?

[Anonymous No.6255528]

>>6255518
Of the sprites you were talking about

[Anonymous No.6255538]

>>6255528
If you mean CD Book 2 ones, you can look them up here http://www.wolfgangarchive.com/sfcd-web/soh/deanna.htm
If you mean RoDD ones, you can look them up either here http://www.wolfgangarchive.com/sf_gba/index.html
or here https://www.spriters-resource.com/game_boy_advance/sfgba/

[Anonymous No.6255547]

>>6255538
Oh nice
And yeah. Baron Jaha from 2 was cooler. if a bit odd with how he suddenly grew so much.

[Anonymous No.6255559]

>>6255547
Yeah, totally. They are different characters though.
Might be a common dwarf name.

[Anonymous No.6255565]

>>6255559
Could be.That space ball helmet on the CD one tho.

[Anonymous No.6255675]

>>6255538
Damn, those ROTDD sprites reminded me of this romhacking.net thread from ages ago where some dude was trying to color-correct the bright GBA palette of the game.
I just googled it and couldn't find shit, probably dead. Shame, I remember it looking very appealing.

[Anonymous No.6255714]

>>6255675
It'd be tempting to try and change that and maybe outline the sprites.

[Anonymous No.6255756]

>Max doesn't have Bolt

Not a Shining Force hero.

[Anonymous No.6255791]

>>6255756
He's a late bloomer, only gets it in Final Conflict.
And I guess the gba remake...?

[Anonymous No.6256501]

>>6245208
>>6246118
People shit on the "cartoony" look of SF2, but I just love how the portraits in SF2, CD and FC look. Peak 90's imo.

[Anonymous No.6256568]

>>6256501
People do?

I think all, 1, 2 and CD, work pretty well, there's a certain charme to all of them with how the portraits and spritework are.
Then again 3 works pretty well too.

[Anonymous No.6256604]

>>6256501
>People shit on the "cartoony" look of SF2
No they dont

[Anonymous No.6256647]

>>6230362
Bowie
Sarah
Jaha
Kazin
Slade
Peter
Gerhalt
Randolf
Eric
Karna
Tyrin
Sheela

There you go best team in the game any other team is inferior.

[Anonymous No.6256665]

>>6256647
Looks about right.

[Anonymous No.6256671]

>>6256647
>gerhalt
>no may or brass gunners
>no mention of which classes the mages promote to
low effort

[Anonymous No.6256741]

>>6247596
>google the manga
>google the artist
>all this yaoi porn

I fuuucking knew it.

[Anonymous No.6256758]

>>6244949
Does it have any relation to the other games? Will I be missing out if I haven't played the other ones, or played them so long ago I remember nothing?

[Anonymous No.6256829]

>>6256758
Shining the Holy Ark is a prequel to III It's basically Julian and Galm's origin story (...and Elize, I guess).
You should be okay since there's barely any references to past games.

[Anonymous No.6256839]

>>6256829
thanks, I'll put it on my list.

[Anonymous No.6257173]

>>6256671
Kazin sorcerer obv. Tyrin isn't that useful late desu so swapping him out for Luke isn't that bad of a choice. I like Jaha as baron over randolf. Snipers and brass gunners fucking suck.

[Anonymous No.6257212]

>>6257173
Birdmen are ptobably the worst characters, what the hell are you saying?

[Anonymous No.6257273]

>>6251884
>try Landstalker
>controls pretty much exclusively in diagonals
This feels odd. But the Dualshock Dpad might not be the best for it.

[Anonymous No.6257949]

>>6256647
It was somewhat solid until you brought up Sheela. Frayja would be a better choice, if you want a third healer.
Also, I dunno if Randolf and Eric really worth it.

[Anonymous No.6257959]

>>6257273
get a usb saturn pad, or actual pad+dongle, its worth it

[Anonymous No.6257963]

>>6257273
Landstalker absolutely destroyed my thumbs when I played it as a kid.
I remember borrowing a Power Stick from a friend but never finishing it.

[Anonymous No.6257973]

>>6257963
It seems like an odd choice if you could just map the grid directions to the usual directions on the dpad to be honest. But I might just try it elsewhere later the setup for some treasure hunting looked fun

>>6257959
I was playing on a Vita

[Anonymous No.6257987]

>>6257212
I never used Screech much but flying is based. People sleep on like because his defense sucks and his offense is average at best but his ability to get to the frontlines very quickly can't be underrated. Tyrin has elf movement at least but wizard spells have very limited use. Frajya is good, but suffers from having no damage output. Sheela is great because she's one of the few characters that levels super fast thanks to boost.

[Anonymous No.6257993]

So if I want to play the entire Shining series (to get all the nods, references, connections, etc) I start with Shining in the Darkness, correct?

[Anonymous No.6258014]

>>6257993
It is the first one so probably. Tho I have not played it

[Anonymous No.6258015]

>>6257993
I guess?
You still wouldn't get most of them just from playing the games. This series got fucked by translators so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.6258021]

>>6257993
By release order, yeah.
Chronologically...

https://www.shiningforcecentral.com/?p=studies&c=chronology

[Anonymous No.6258026]

>>6258021
Why would you consume media chronologically instead of release order, when you do it for the first time?

[Anonymous No.6258043]

>>6257993
Shining in the darkness has little to no lore though, it has some classic enemies and that's it
You can even safely skip it entirely

[Anonymous No.6258143]

>>6258015
Did it? I mean it isnt like 1 and 2 have much story to fuck up.
I recall reading there were some changes tho

[Anonymous No.6258176]

>>6258143
Most notable change is Kane being Max's brother.

[Anonymous No.6258313]

>>6252510
Watch them doing a Fire Emblem Heroes / Langrisser Mobile / Arc the Lad R / Wild Arms Million Memories / etc and releasing a shitty Shining gacha game.
To be 100% honest, I'd take it. We'll probably get nothing anyway, and if a gacha game brings more attention to the series, that's always good. New promotional art is always welcome, too.
Langrisser is getting a resurgence in the west because of those types of games, after all.

[Anonymous No.6258331]

>>6258313
I kinda want them to remaster Valkyria Chronicles-like games from PSP. Also, their SRPGs that they made for mobile phones.

[Anonymous No.6258450]

>>6258331
Getting a proper translation of VC3 would be great. Just as a package of VC2 and 3 on steam or something.

>>6258313
>gacha
I don't know if I'd really want to see one of those for this. If it helps it helps I guess, but it's still sad.

[Anonymous No.6259121]

>>6257987
>thinks magic is bad
>cant understand how good aura and attack are as spells (or that aura means infinite leveling like boost)
>thinks getting to the front lines means ANYTHING when you can even DO anything there because you have shit for stats.
imagine being this retarded.

[Anonymous No.6259164]

>not just using your favourites
I'm gonna keep Kiwi until the very end and no one can stop me!

[Anonymous No.6259256]

>>6259164

[Anonymous No.6259386]

>>6257273
> But the Dualshock Dpad might not be the best for it.
Yeah, that's far from ideal. Plays like a charm on the sort of D-pad it was meant for though.

[Anonymous No.6259390]

>>6259164
I like the cut of your jib, sonny jim.

[Anonymous No.6259510]

>>6259164
pretty sure some magic or special attacks can stop you.

[Anonymous No.6259585]

>>6259386
Yeah I figured as much. Guess it is time to pick up some MD or Saturn controller

[Anonymous No.6260640]

>>6237574
we need this remake now

[Anonymous No.6260795]

>>6255675
Have you tried the Shining Force Central?

[Anonymous No.6261082]

>>6259510
Even if it really happens, this is merely a setback. It's not that hard to avoid anyway.