/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em up General

[Anonymous No.6225794]

Anyone have a good NMNB strat for the desert stage boss in Battle Bakraid?

[Anonymous No.6225828]

>>6225794
>playing Bakraid without constantly bombing and dying

[Anonymous No.6225840]

>>6225828
Bakraid's scoring is trash. Way more fun to play it for pure survival.

[Anonymous No.6227137]

BOMBER.

[Anonymous No.6227191]

>>6225794
>get good at survival in a game that has no scoring replay value
on thanks, in the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.6227243]

I'm an absolute beginner at nip and was wondering if anyone here could help me understand the name of Dodonpachi(怒首領蜂).
I've wondered about this since forever and even asked a Japanese person and the first thing they asked when showing them the kanji was if this was even a Japanese name in the first place.
I understand 怒, meaning anger, reads as ど, and 蜂, meaning bee, reads as はち which is at least similar to ぱち。首領 however, meaning leader, as far as I know can only be pronounced as しゅりょう which has nothing to do with anything in the name "dodonpachi". Can anyone who knows the language explain to a brainlet how this name is supposed to be readable to a Japanese speaker?

[Anonymous No.6227369]

treasure

[Anonymous No.6227395]

>>6227243
It's wordplay. The kanji means leader bee, while donpachi is an onomatope used for guns firing.

Hachi may turn into pachi because of rendaku rules (consonants turn from unvoiced to voiced in certain phrases) but that would make ha turn into ba, so it's probably just wordplay.

[Anonymous No.6227726]

>>6225794
Is touhou retro?

[Anonymous No.6227834]

>>6227726
Only 1 through 5

[Anonymous No.6228069]

>>6227726
>>6227834
PoDD is based.

[Anonymous No.6228292]

>>6227191
Imagine being so autistic you only care about overelaborate scoring systems and can't have fun with survival-oriented shmups.

[Anonymous No.6228375]

>>6227395
Thanks for the explanation. It seems strange that the kanji and the reading are different but I don't speak Japanese so I must be missing something.
Also, Saidaioujou for PC never ever?

[Anonymous No.6228703]

>>6228292
It's not survival oriented. It's scoring oriented but with a broken scoring system. Bad gayme

[Anonymous No.6228721]

>>6228703
What's stopping you from ignoring the bad scoring and only playing for survival?

[Anonymous No.6228764]

Is there a shmup chart?

[Anonymous No.6228780]

>>6228764
chart for what? difficulty?

[Anonymous No.6228950]

>>6228721
Plenty of better shmups that have viable scoring systems? There's no need to settle.

[Anonymous No.6228964]

>>6228950
What is a "viable scoring system" to you? Why do you think a shmup can't be fun without one? Do you even have any 1cc's?

[Anonymous No.6228982]

Chaining in shmups was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.6229005]

>>6228964
Scoring systems that add more mechanics and depth to the game without major bugs/glitches/infinite milks. The constant feedback and extra risk management from scoring is more fun than just surviving.
>Why do you think a shmup can't be fun without one?
I never said that. But I prefer a complete package, since shmups take a big time investment to get Good at, might as well play one with fun scoring potential. More replayability and depth.

Broken shmups can be a bit of fun for some people....I guess. Not sure why you'd bother.

[Anonymous No.6229009]

>>6228982
No chaining is good, DDP all or nothing chaining sucks

[Anonymous No.6229065]

>hurrr me lieks it wen de big numbarz incrament fastor durrr

[Anonymous No.6229826]

>>6228780
Like recommended series/games.

[Anonymous No.6230854]

is mushihimesama futari absolutely unplayable on mame?

[Anonymous No.6230861]

>>6225794

[Anonymous No.6231045]

mars matrix needs more appreciation. go play mars matrix.

[Anonymous No.6231050]

>>6231045
greatest danmaku of all time for sure.

[Anonymous No.6231273]

Is Cave nearly bankrupt? I want to get their home ports but I don't want to buy a fucking Japanese X360. It seems like it would be worth it to port at least some of their games to the Switch or PS4.

[Anonymous No.6231316]

>>6230854
You can play it, the slowdown is just inaccurate. It used to have some pretty bad input lag but with the new lag reduction feature it's tolerable

[Anonymous No.6232551]

>Bongo
what did Seibu mean by this

[Anonymous No.6232934]

which group of psykyo games are best?

this one: STRIKERS 1945, STRIKERS 1945 II, STRIKERS 1945 III, SOL DIVIDE, Dragon Blaze, and ZERO GUNNER 2

or this one: Samurai Aces Episode I, Samurai Aces Episode II: TENGAI, Samurai Aces Episode III: SENGOKU CANNON, GUNBARICH, GUNBIRD, and GUNBIRD2

[Anonymous No.6232980]

>>6232934
the first one, all of those are good besides sol divide.
the only good game in the second list is gunbird 2 desu.

[Anonymous No.6233063]

>>6231316
are you referring to run ahead or shmupmame? i play on lcd with a shitty arcade stick so im not sure i would even notice.

[Anonymous No.6233196]

>>6225794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDS4EMmETsE
Always loved the Raiden series.
Sure they're relatively simple and easy compared to a lot of other shooters. I just adore the music and crunch of smacking enemies down.
And what it makes up for huge weapon variety is in versatility.

[Anonymous No.6233253]

>>6230854
It's absolutely unplayable period. Undeniably shitty game.

[Anonymous No.6233262]

is Dodonpachi deader than before, now that some whittu piggu found the glitch and is going to share it?

[Anonymous No.6233264]

>>6233253
yikes
>>6230854
I beat it on mame, graphics are hard on the eyes. you have to adjust the blitter % around, the slowdown is inaccurate but it's still doable if you don't have a 360

[Anonymous No.6233269]

>>6233264
sorry but when people make fun of shmups for being shitty boring slogs that consist 99% of memorization, they're wrong except for when talking about mutt shit hime. inarguably "dude just memorize it": the game

[Anonymous No.6233278]

>>6233269
>99% memorization
That's only true if you're going for a big score in DDP chaining games.
for most shmups you only memorize certain choke points and a general route, but you get freedom to improvise and adapt within that route.

[Anonymous No.6233297]

>>6233262

maybe now more people will focus on the superior game with chaining: mars matrix (specifically the dreamcast version without the counterstop)

[Anonymous No.6233305]

>>6233278
read my post again. if you still don't understand: read it again

[Anonymous No.6233331]

>>6233305
what I said applies to mushi futari original and maniac. Only ultra requires very autistic + precise memo

[Anonymous No.6233351]

https://www.twitch.tv/touhou_replay_showcase

[Anonymous No.6233458]

>>6233063
There is a latency reduction setting in the new releases of MAME which renders shmupmame obsolete. If you're using a laggy LCD then it's extra important for you to minimize software input lag

[Anonymous No.6233461]

>>6233269
You havent even played the game you retarded faggot, Original mode requires minimal memorization, Maniac is like the average bullet hell and Ultra is full of rng

[Anonymous No.6233465]

>>6233297
How bad is the counterstop anyway, isn't it just barely possible?

[Anonymous No.6233467]

>>6232980
>When you stop looking at the boobies and start becoming genuinely enamored at how intricate & realistic the leather jackets look.

[Anonymous No.6233490]

>mushi futari won the shmup farms poll because of gus' agdq run
called it.

[Anonymous No.6234126]

https://www.twitch.tv/the_electric_underground/

Shmup Slam 2!! 12 Hours of Live Shmup Demonstrations!

[Anonymous No.6234150]

>>6233490
wait, you're not actually playing these things are you?

[Anonymous No.6234162]

Shmup slam schedule https://horaro.org/shmupslam2/stream

[Anonymous No.6234203]

>>6233297
maybe now people will stop obsessing over tranmaku and take the dadpill.

[Anonymous No.6234272]

>>6234203
Mars Matrix is a bullet hell game lad

[Anonymous No.6234301]

>>6234272
I know, and it's shit.

Go play dadcore shumps.

[Anonymous No.6234314]

>>6234301
lol nah

[Anonymous No.6234503]

>>6234301
ok retardo

[Anonymous No.6234767]

bros, where are the sero tvs? how long must we wait?

[Anonymous No.6234848]

BIG
JUICY
CANCELS

[Anonymous No.6235115]

>>6234203

>implying people didn't only discover NMK's games only a few years ago

[Anonymous No.6235636]

>>6235115
Youre talking to a guy whos using a joke pic made by someone who likes danmaku unironically, you really think he plays these games? Ofc not

[Anonymous No.6235653]

Why so many players use mosquito 1 for scoring? 2 seems all around better for chaining

[Anonymous No.6235862]

Don't mind me, just ruining your game for scoring.

[Anonymous No.6236051]

>>6235862
Time to get that world record now anons!

[Anonymous No.6236330]

>>6235862
scoretards btfo lmao

[Anonymous No.6236505]

>>6236051
Glitcho was the real TLB all along.

[Anonymous No.6236524]

hoping strikers 99 with cheat ship banned, hacha mecha fighter, raiden fighters jet, mad planets, twinbee yahoo, g.darius, turbo force, ketsui, gun.smoke, and tatsujin ou get picked for the next tournament

[Anonymous No.6237761]

HELP. HELP.

[Anonymous No.6237841]

Just cleared Mushi 1 Original with 1 miss. Almost at my goal of no miss. Also, fuck stage 3.

[Anonymous No.6238004]

Does the shmup scene have a lot of trannies? I mean, it has many similarities with speedrunning.

[Anonymous No.6239357]

Can shmups work in 3D like Super Mario jumped from 2D to 3D?

[Anonymous No.6239364]

>>6239357
So Star Fox 64 and Panzer Dragoon? They work but bullet dodging and completely free form movement don't translate that well to 3D. I guess something like Descent or Forsaken are 3D shmups too when it comes to combat, but with very un-arcade level design.

[Anonymous No.6239504]

start scoring.

[Anonymous No.6239516]

>>6239504
>can't even 1cc the games that i play but you want me to try scoring in them
no

[Anonymous No.6239539]

>>6239357
Go play Sin & Punishment

[Anonymous No.6240341]

>>6239364
Yeah, I mean completely free form as opposed to rails. I assumed it's difficult to make because of properly measuring sizable bullets into 3D space

>>6239539
Good game

[Anonymous No.6240394]

>>6240341
It's difficult to make and doesn't work as well for a lot of reasons, judging bullet depth is one, then you have the more complicated controls making movement more clunky and more limited spatial awareness. Then you have level design, how would you capture the feel of shmup level design in any way using true 3D gameplay? I think there is a reason that Forsaken and arcadey flight games like Strike Suit Infinity go for something very different, despite being ostensibly 3D shmups.

[Anonymous No.6240441]

>>6239516
Can do both, will give you another way to measure progress and make your eventual 1cc cleaner. Unless you're just starting out, then it's probably best to focus on survival

[Anonymous No.6241420]

Shalom!

[Anonymous No.6241435]

>>6240341
>Yeah, I mean completely free form as opposed to rails.
We have those. They're called "Flight combat simulators".

[Anonymous No.6242596]

>>6240341
I think there's a 3D Touhou game that's like that.

[Anonymous No.6242903]

Im playing hyper duel on saturn.
dunno if its my pc or the emulator or what i get like a half second delay when I press a button and its driving me nuts.
playing on a crt

[Anonymous No.6243468]

tfw you save the bune

[Anonymous No.6244990]

>>6229009
>DDP all or nothing chaining sucks

>**Power up blocks your chain**
Fucking rage inducing bullshit

>>6228375
>Saidaioujou for PC never ever?
Doubt it. Best bet is to rgh a 360. These games just dont sell well enough to make it worth their while.

>>6235862
Great, now making any kind of top tier scoring run will require rerolling runs over and over just to activate the glitch. Near perfect run doesnt matter if you miss a frame perfect input. I dont see many wanting to chase this now.

[Anonymous No.6245040]

>>6244990
The glitch is brutal especially with how late it is, the pressure must be immense. But if you don't use it you're back to when it wasnt known and nobody could compete with players that did know about it. Either way its shit but also probably doesn't matter for any western player besides maybe Jaimers

[Anonymous No.6245348]

>took jaimers over three months since calice cup ended to finally 1-all samesame1p

so much for being the (western) god of shmups like his fanboys want you to believe

[Anonymous No.6245364]

>>6245348
Playing 30 minutes a week no doubt, can't focus on dadshit when there's ESP.Ra.De scoring to be done

[Anonymous No.6245378]

>>6245364
>tranny ra.de
cringe and soipilled

[Anonymous No.6245570]

>>6245348
Well it's definitely not Gus, one trick pony who got humiliated by SMC. Nor Clast. Probably the real western God is synthretardo, he has a sengoku ace 1cc, and it only took him a few years.

[Anonymous No.6245614]

>>6245570
For me, it's clp, may he RIP in peace.

[Anonymous No.6246410]

Hey guys im trying to find a shmup i only have very vague recollection of.

I think it ran on some obscure engine on pc and it features mostly grim / dark backgrounds with a sleek white ship and red bullets, definitely Japanese. I've only ever seen it discussed a couple times but it looked awesome.

[Anonymous No.6246413]

>>6246410
and no it's not ikarugae, it was 2d

[Anonymous No.6246417]

>>6246410
>>6246413
Cho Ren Sha 68k nvm fucking found it

[Anonymous No.6246420]

do you guys exclusively try to 1cc, and when you die start from the beginning? I try to see how far I get on 3 credits usually.

[Anonymous No.6246432]

>>6246420
if I'm at the stage of doing full 1cc runs it means I've practiced all the stages and bosses already and feel comfortable with the game. I know where my planned bombs are and where my choke points are.

The only time I spam continues and credit feed is if I'm more than 70% into a run, if I'm in the last two stages for example or right before the final boss, I'll pump some credits just for the practice. But if I game over half-way through then I'll just restart from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.6246437]

>>6246432

Right, I don't mean spam but just 2-3 credits. I usually do this so I can see what's ahead and plan appropriately. Idk, just feel like I get to play more of the actual game that way but still make progress.

[Anonymous No.6246449]

>>6246437
2-3 credits is spamming credits imo. in some games it totally ruins the difficulty because not only do you get extra lives, but huge sets of bombs+resources as well. I dont think its good to think in terms of 2CC or 3CC achievements, go for 1CC or go for score. Anything else is just practice mode.

[Anonymous No.6246451]

>>6245378
>>6245348
I know this meme bait but Jaimers is unironically in the top 3 in the west. And elite even by jap standards.

[Anonymous No.6246520]

>>6246449

good point anon, guess I will just stick to the 1cc

[Anonymous No.6246747]

>>6246451
At tranmaku ikedashit maybe, but at real shmups he's trash.

[Anonymous No.6246892]

>>6245570
This is bait, right?

>>6246420
I credit feed through the game on my first play through just to get a feel for the whole thing. Then I do some 1 credit runs as far as I can. Then I switch over to practice. I will run the same stage over and over and save state any trouble spots. I also run bosses over and over until i am consistent. Then I jump back over and do several runs and then repeat.

I dont think 3cc runs or anything like that is particularly helpful except for maybe extending it a bit more to practice a harder section. If your on mame or whatever you should have a save state for each stage and boss anyway so it shouldnt really matter.

If your playing something on console or PCB and have no access to save states and the only way you can practice is full runs then yeah go ahead and continue to get some extra late stage practice in.

[Anonymous No.6247230]

>>6246747
>very solid Rayforce, Batsugun and Dangun scores
>plenty of hard clears, 2-ALL'd Raiden and both R-Types in no time
>all while treating the games as disposable side attractions
Beautiful dadshitter cope

[Anonymous No.6247242]

>>6247230
Imagine unironically kissing the ass of a narcissistic danmakuck.

End your sorry life already.

[Anonymous No.6247247]

>>6247242
I'm simply pointing out facts that make passive aggressive soi dadshits REALLY mad

[Anonymous No.6248104]

>>6247242

You first dadsujin slow reflex cuck

[Anonymous No.6248407]

LIKE DADSHIT!

LIKE DADSHIT!

LIKE DADSHIT!

[Anonymous No.6248521]

Fellas what was that crazy Japanese yokai shmup on steam?

[Anonymous No.6248698]

Dedicate your live to Cave.

[Anonymous No.6248789]

>>6248521
Shikhondo? Its poop desu

[Anonymous No.6248870]

Can someone explain the seal meme to me? Nufag here.

[Anonymous No.6248926]

>>6248870
Ive been around for like 5 years and I dont get it either...is it just because bullet sealing is a term?

[Anonymous No.6249251]

>>6248926
I even see japs posting pictures of seal figurines and shit. No idea. Everytime someone asks there isnt an answer.

[Anonymous No.6250072]

>>6248870
>>6249251
It was from one Twitch user avatar who played Batsugun Special 4-all then adopted by a particular shmups discord channel because it looks funny. As it becomes more popular it also spreading to that one big shmups discord channel where CAVE guys were also member of that place and those guys bring the meme influence to their office.

[Anonymous No.6250948]

>>6250072
Its not "cave guys", but just one guy

Also seals meme pics were popular before that twitch dude choose the crying seal pic as pp (he posted on shmupg iirc)

[Anonymous No.6250973]

The Rayforce mobile version is more fun than the arcade original but boomers will deny this

[Anonymous No.6250979]

>>6250973
More like SleepForce

[Anonymous No.6251105]

>>6248789
The art looks nice... aren't all these games exactly the same anyway?

[Anonymous No.6251112]

>>6251105
To a credit feeder maybe, otherwise they're very different

[Anonymous No.6251131]

>>6251105
Yep, if you just play for survival it's dodge n shoot.
Play for score and you'll notice depth and mechanics. Unless the scoring is shit and tied mainly to survival.

[Anonymous No.6251260]

>>6250973
Cunt Frontier > GayForce

[Anonymous No.6251326]

>>6251131
Different games have different move n shoot gameplay, and if a games level, enemy, boss or pattern design sucks then it can be felt immediately

[Anonymous No.6251410]

did the chav die yet?

[Anonymous No.6251997]

literally whom

[Anonymous No.6252032]

>>6251410
I think so

[Anonymous No.6252190]

I can't see the bullets in batrider or garegga lmao, why did they do this i feel like i'm damaging my eyesight

[Anonymous No.6252632]

>>6252190
To punish the flailers

[Anonymous No.6252812]

I hate psikyo so much and I'm glad they're dead. Fuck you and your shitty mass-produced trash games.
Their only saving grace was the character art.

[Anonymous No.6252827]

>>6252812
Another day, another touhoutard filtered by based Psikyo

[Anonymous No.6252910]

>>6252812
Let me guess, you picked up Chadbird 2 thinking it'd be easy because """""anime moeshit"""" and you got ruined on stage 1

[Anonymous No.6252990]

>>6252812
based. Only Cave matters.

>>6252827
>>6252910
cope.

[Anonymous No.6252992]

>>6252990
Thanks for confirming yet another casual got filtered by based Psikyo
You can't even tell us why they're so bad
All you said was "shit"

[Anonymous No.6253018]

To anon who asked about shmups title where the boss used his doll as shield after he's defeated, that's Progear
https://youtu.be/0VfKHRWSY7U?t=599

[Anonymous No.6253035]

>>6252992
>You can't even tell us why they're so bad
They're not Cave.

[Anonymous No.6253086]

>>6252812
>getting Bravo instead of Alpha
oh shit nigger what are you doing
go play zero gunner 2 right now

[Anonymous No.6253102]

>>6252812
>Their only saving grace was the character art.
People actually like that shit? I thought you were supposed to look past the fruity anime girls to the "deep" gameplay

>mass-produced trash
mayb we'd better back up and discuss expectations

[Anonymous No.6253112]

>>6253086
Zero Gunner 2 port is trash don't pay money for that abomination, or the rest of the collection for that matter.

[Anonymous No.6253164]

>>6251410
no, im on the edge of being entered into academic medical history as soon as an operation proves my theory.

[Anonymous No.6254292]

>>6253035
Go back to your slow pink danmaku faggotry then. Psikyo shumps are for men.

[Anonymous No.6256059]

>>6254292
>that obvious toupee
Sagat must be seriously insecure

[Anonymous No.6256093]

What's a good baby mode/beginner game?
The only one I've played much was Ketsui Death Label on the DS

[Anonymous No.6256102]

>>6256093
Most modern ports have some kind of novice modes. Deathsmiles is good though, it will make you work for the clear but it's pretty forgiving overall. There's a decent beginners guide on steam that tells you the best route to get a ton of health items and extra lives

[Anonymous No.6256107]

>>6256093
Giga Wing if you wanna get into bullet hell, and play as Ruby.
All the stages before 5 are fairly lenient and there's bullet reflect mechanics that serve as a second bomb which you can spam often.

[Anonymous No.6256118]

>>6239357
Yeah kid icarus uprising

[Anonymous No.6257371]

>>6237761
Thank you~