Arcade Sticks

[Anonymous No.6224245]

So I've been looking into a good arcade stick that can be used with as many systems as possible, including PC and Wii for emulation. this has led me to the Namco fighting stick for PS1, as I already have adapters for Playstation controllers that will let me use this with PC and Wii.

Anyone have any experiences of this stick? Is it good for the £50 or so I'm expecting to pay? Are there better or more modern options I don't know about? Let's talk about some sticks people.

[Anonymous No.6224251]

>>6224245
It's a good stick but I wouldn't pay that much for one.

[Best Boy No.6224263]

Good instincts going with a PS1 stick as you're right there are a plethora of adapters to get you up and going right away. Probably some dipshits will suggest that the adapters introduce latency but with good well reviewed adapters it's not something to worry about at this point in your pursuit. That Namco stick has standard sized buttons and stick that can be drop-in upgraded when and if you want to do so. My only minor subjective criticism would be that it's plastic and kind of on the light side while I'm partial to the weight and feel of wood but in reality I use my Tekken 5 Xbox 360 arcade sticks with a simple heavy joystick spring mod more than any of my other sticks. As far as what it's worth, that's up to you.

[Anonymous No.6224307]

>>6224245
I've got a Saturn HSS-0136 stick that I've been really satisfied with but I haven't seen any adapters apart from some questionable ones on ebay sales. I've been looking into a Brook Retro Board though which seems to cover just about everything except Genesis

[Anonymous No.6224312]

>>6224251
Okay, what would you pick at that price point? Bear in mind prices in the UK are quite different.

>>6224263
Do you know what stick and buttons are are used in the stick at stock? I would be willing to invest in upgrades in the future if I use it a lot. I would also be willing to mod it if it is too light as I prefer a heavier stick as well. Perhaps a sheet of metal or something inside?

[Anonymous No.6224325]

>>6224245
Even the "low latency" adapters induce some latency. For fighting games or shmups latency matters a lot if you have fast reflexes. If you're emulating with a PC or Wii and have good reflexes, you definitely want a stick that's just USB instead of using adapters.

[Anonymous No.6224334]

>>6224312
>Do you know what stick and buttons are are used in the stick at stock?
They're knock-off arcade parts of a unique quality. Better than the usual Hori, Agetec, or Mad Catz parts.

The biggest downside to this stick is the small footprint and lack of weight. The parts are actually quite good and I've seen people do amazing things with them.

[Anonymous No.6224339]

>>6224312
Also if you're even thinking of modding this stick you should just pass and save your money to buy something bigger with real arcade parts. Modding a Namco stick is kind of a shame imo. They are rare sticks and are good enough stock that they should be left alone as /vr/ relics.

[Best Boy No.6224346]

>>6224312
They almost all use imitation sanwa sticks and buttons which are fine choices for controls to imitate. New school nerds will criticize the sticks because they have rather wide square gates (if they're gated at all) and aren't compatible with real sanwa gates but I personally grew up with Happ controls so after stiffening up the joystick the only thing that feels sort of wrong to me is the short throw on the buttons but I concede that short throw buttons are objectively better so I don't really mind them too much. The standard cheapass way to add weight to a stick is by gluing rolls of pennies in the corners but yes sheet metal is probably better as it takes up less space. That stick has the circular plastic columns that make contact in the central area between the top and back of the case which mashes the stick feel more solid but does keep you from adding a sheet across the whole bottom without removing an equal amount of plastic from the foot of the columns.

[Anonymous No.6224356]

>>6224325
It is primarily shmups it will be used for but I have never noticed any latency with my PS->USB adapter, and I'm quite sensitive to it. I do use a Linux install with a good CRT monitor to minimize lag though. How much lag are you aware they tend to add?
>>6224334
The reason I am erring towards it is partially the small footprint and aesthetic actually, but the lack of weight is definitely a concern. If it's better than the average sticks I've used that's fine.
>>6224339
That's fair. I wouldn't be looking to do anything permanent to it anyway and if it had to be I'd probably just pass it on and upgrade anyway.
>>6224346
Would stiffening up the joystick just involve a replacement spring? I have access of wood or metal I could possibly fit if there's space inside. I could possibly cut out areas to fit around the columns inside.

Thanks for the opinions my guys.

[Anonymous No.6224367]

>>6224263
>can be drop in upgraded
Not really. The buttons are soldered onto the PCB.

[Best Boy No.6224372]

>>6224367
Are they? I guess I'm not seeing pics online of an unmodified one then and I fucking hate that I wore out ONE button on my rev 2 twin shock stick and now it's basically worthless without major overhaul so I can't say I recommend that.

[Anonymous No.6224410]

If you don't mind not being able to upgrade without going through a lot of hoops it's not a bad stick. If you want a stick you can more easily upgrade but is still a PS stick look for a Hori Real Arcade Pro. Other than that your best option is going to be finding a newer stick and padhacking/installing a new PCB/chaining adapters.

[Anonymous No.6224416]

>>6224245
just get a DS4, arcade games are trash no exceptions. Fighting games are fun for like 10minutes max per day. Not worth getting a stick, period. Full stop. /thread thread

[Anonymous No.6224417]

>>6224416
I'm an avid arcade gamer and I agree. I just play them out of habit and will be quitting soon. Shmups were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.6224419]

>>6224245
https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-joysticks
They're legit and have tons of adapters for just about anything.

[Anonymous No.6224430]

>>6224416
Wow, I can't believe I've seen a good post on /vr/.

[Anonymous No.6224436]

>>6224416
>arcade games are trash no exceptions
That's some decent cope.

[Anonymous No.6224467]

>>6224416
True gamer. Consoles and handhelds, not quarter munching "cabs"! Rise up!

[Anonymous No.6224472]

>>6224467
ITT: anons who will never feel the joy of the ker-plunking of the quarter into the coin mechanism and into the partially full bucket.

[Anonymous No.6224491]

>>6224245
>So I've been looking into a good arcade stick that can be used with as many systems as possible, including PC and Wii for emulation.
I had the same desire as you, and aside from the route you're going (pre-built+adapters), you have a couple of options:
1)Build one from scratch and install a multi-console PCB.
2)Buy a pre-built and mod it with a multi-console PCB.
You have a few options for multi-console PCBs: MC Cthulhu is a good cheap one. Others include the Brook Retro Board and the AkiShop PS360+ (discontinued and somewhat hard to find). With a Brook Retro Board you can install it in tandem with the Brook Fighting board to add full support for PS4+Switch+XBONE.
I built one from scratch with a Brook Retro Board and modded another to use the MC Cthulhu and I was similarly pleased with both. I use the one I made from scratch on PC, Sega Saturn, Playstation, and Dreamcast, though it also supports NES, SNES, GC, Xbox, and PC Engine. MC Cthulhu covers basically all the same bases, just doesn't have the option to expand for modern consoles.

Building isn't cheap, but I spent less on building a really nice stick that I can use with all of my consoles than I would have on buying separate mediocre sticks for each console.

[Anonymous No.6224696]

>>6224245
best fighting controller ever.
you can turn it into an 8 button controller if you map up and down to buttons.

[Anonymous No.6224725]

That Namco one was the best one up until the green DC stick but they always feel cheap and just aren't very good. Best is to get a gamepad PCB and wire arcade joystick and buttons of your choosing, you'll never be satisfied otherwise.

[Anonymous No.6224785]

>>6224245
>Arcade Sticks
>pic of babys first fightan stick
>what did they mean by this?

>>6224307

The 0136 is ok, certainly better than OPs thing. I have a few that were modded for PS1 and/or neo geo. That was very common here and a lot of shops sold them back in the day. I don't know why that Brook board doesn't do Genesis but we're talking about someone who removes the marking from their <$1 MCU so he's probably not playing with a full deck. I've made Saturn and Genesis adapters with several different PICs and ATtinys/megas. Currently I'm using nanos since the UART/USB is nice. I'm sure you could find a sketch to do whatever you want and and just burn it. I prototype with terminal block adapters and if you use those you could have something up an running in a few minutes with no soldering.

>>6224325
Only adapters designed by tards have relevant latency. Even no adapter has "some latency". The universe has a speed limit. There's also inherent latency in any protocol that's not non-multiplexed parallel. With a PS1 a poll requires 5 bytes taking dozens of microseconds. Might as well just emulate because muh latency amirite?

[Anonymous No.6224821]

>>6224491

You should listen to this man. I'd understand if you feel that he's suggesting a lot of money be spent on this stuff, but if you want something that is actually good, well that's the way to go.

When I started playing fighting games, I bought a Madcatz SE used and replaced the entire guts of the thing with new buttons, stick, and PCB. You can't find SEs anymore but you should find something else that's cheap and build it up (and unlike SEs, most other sticks are good out of the box without having to gut them).

[Anonymous No.6224872]

>>6224245
It's an amazing stick, the buttons feel just right, very arcade-y feeling but the stick is difficult to mod if that is something you'd want (though most ppl keep it stock.)

[Anonymous No.6225176]

>>6224245
Is this enough systems for you, OP?

>Xbox One
>Xbox 360
>PS4
>PS3
>Wii U
>PC
>Switch
>NEOGEO mini
>PS Classic
>MD mini

https://www.brookaccessory.com/detail/06960737/

[Anonymous No.6225542]

>>6225176
>Is this enough /v/?

[Anonymous No.6225639]

>>6224251
lgr uses it so it has to be good

[Anonymous No.6225670]

>>6224696
I bought one a while ago and just find it too damn small. I messed around with my cousin's Genesis 6-Button Arcade Stick when I was younger and always wanted one, but I'm too much of a penny-pincher to plunk down $40 on one

[Anonymous No.6225789]

It's good, not great. If you plan to keep it stock, it's fine. Don't bother modding it, though. The button holes are non-standard sizes and the case is too low profile for a Sanwa JLF. If you're really into fighters you may end up wanting an upgrade.

[Anonymous No.6225797]

>>6224491
Having done this recently with the two Brook boards mentioned, I agree that it's the way to go in the long run. You can also buy prebuilt enclosures with a kit that include all the stuff you need to make a custom stick, no drilling or soldering required. The downside is that it's costly, and the Retro Board does not support Genesis controllers or 6-button mode on PC Engine.

[Anonymous No.6225870]

I would just get a nice pro level stick for the xbox 360 or xbox one (work natively in windows) and forget about the wii. It barely does any arcade emulation anyway.

[Anonymous No.6225912]

>>6224245
>Gold tip
If you're gonna emulate, prioritize a 1ms monitor, preferably 144hz. The AOC Hero is a cheap (in some countries) perfect choice.
Then proceed to emulate on PC only. The emulators Nintendo makes are full of input lag and you can't do anything about that.

Now my friends keep saying "bruh no one will notice a bit of input lag" but I keep telling them whenever I play on a Wii emulator, Mario feels like a tank.

Your choice to decide if you want to be a filthy casual to the point of a game having 60ms of input lag being fine to you.

If you're somewhat serious about your gaming you should use a modern stick with Sanwa parts and no lag and a 1ms monitor.

[Anonymous No.6225915]

>>6224696
You will have to have an adapter and that will cause input lag. Also what the fuck, not having up/down? What retro arcade game would use more than 6 buttons anyway?

[Anonymous No.6225950]

>>6225915
This is false. Raphnet has Genesis to Wii and USB adapters and they do not cause input lag

[Anonymous No.6225967]

>>6225912
I already have a great quality CRT monitor dude.
But on the topic of modern panels, 9/10 times when they advertise 1ms they just mean response time, and even then it's wrong. grey-to-grey is not a good measurement of response time either. Most monitors will still have around a frame of lag, though some will have closer to no lag. AOCs stuff in my experience has been pretty poor as well, certainly a lot worse in the colour, response and motion department than my CRT. If you're serious about gaming, you should use a CRT.

[Anonymous No.6226020]

>>6225912
Sorry anon the "response time" numbers companies tout are essentially bullshit and not indicative of lag at all. You have to find someone who has tested the lag and go by those numbers. Some companies have started giving real input lag numbers but it's a relatively recent phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.6226021]

>>6225176
Not OP, but given that this is /vr/, can the MD/Genesis, PS1, SNES, Saturn, etc be connected to it? if so, how?

[Anonymous No.6226032]

>>6226021
Am I the only one with an internet connection in here?

>MULTI RETRO CONSOLE SUPPORT
>Nintendo Entertainment System
>Super NES
>Nintendo Gamecube
>Microsoft Xbox (Original)
>Sega Saturn
>Sega Dreamcast
>NEC PC Engine/TurboGrafx 16
>Sony Playstation
>Sony Playstation 2
>Sony Playstation 3
>Windows PC

>OPTIONAL CONSOLE CABLES
>Akishop Customs RJ45 to Sega Dreamcast
>Akishop Customs RJ45 to Sony PS / PS2
>Akishop Customs RJ45 to USB (for PS3)
>Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo Gamecube, Sega Saturn, NEC PC Engine
>Original Xbox Adapter

>DUAL MOD SUPPORT
>Combine with the Brook UFB in 2 different layout configuration - either side by side with the 20-pin Multiplier or the custom stacked version

https://arcadeshock.com/products/brook-retro-board

[Anonymous No.6226039]

>>6226032
More information. It helps you know things.

[Anonymous No.6226053]

>>6225912
Cringe and lcd pilled

[Anonymous No.6226125]

>>6226032

With exception of the Genesis that looks perfect, thank you.

[Anonymous No.6226150]

>>6225176
>>6226032
Funny how they sell the Retro Board for 60 when the MC Cthulhu did the same thing for 25-35.

[Anonymous No.6226169]

>>6226125
>>6226150
>MC Cthulhu
Well yeah, if you can still find one of those:
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/electrical/pcbs-lighting/pcbs-for-controllers/godlike-controls-pcbs/1828_mc-cthulhu-multi-console-pcb-by-toodles

[Anonymous No.6226225]

>>6226125
For Gen I recommend checking out the Tototek adapter.

[Anonymous No.6226850]

>>6226225

Problem solved then, thank you. Definitely going to go custom with Brooks retro in that case.

[Anonymous No.6226959]

>>6226169
I bought an MC Cthulhu from Arcade Paradise about 6 months ago, used it in the mod mentioned in this post >>6224491. They were out of stock then too, but I emailed them and asked if they were still making them and within a few days they responded and let me know that they were back in stock. I think it's just a popular item that sells out a lot.

>>6225797
Let's see it!

[Anonymous No.6227268]

>>6226150
>the same thing
But does the retro board come with the same lag, copesplaining, and lack of updates?

>>6226169
I always get a giggle when people complain about this being out of stock when it's literally just a PIC on a breakout board. I do a full belly laugh when they spend $35 and end up soldering instead of using the terminal block.

[Anonymous No.6227381]

>using ball arcade joysticks
disgusting

[Anonymous No.6227454]

>>6227381
You forgot your trip faggot

[Anonymous No.6227612]

>>6227268
>But does the retro board come with the same lag, copesplaining, and lack of updates?
I can't speak on the other two, but I saw a comparison a while back that showed the Retro Board to be faster than the Cthulhu.

[Anonymous No.6228054]

>>6227381
You can always put a bat top on and fondle that instead.

[Anonymous No.6229168]

>>6227612
Ah, but did you see the godlike cope trying to explain it away? Truly impressive. Emufags didn't archive that level of cope until the jumping Mario videos several years later.

[Anonymous No.6230626]

>>6229168
What?

[Anonymous No.6231452]

Where do you folks recommend buying cases for your sticks?

[Anonymous No.6231461]

>>6226032
No Neo Geo support?

[Anonymous No.6231469]

>>6231452
Depends what you want and how much you're looking to spend, because a number of case manufacturers don't sell through other retailers.
For starters, what material are you looking for? (Acrylic? Metal? Injection-molded plastic?)
How much are you willing to spend?

Feel free to answer either or both of these questions, but keep in mind that cost will impact your options with regard to materials, and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.6231470]

>>6231469
I'm not picky and I have money. Just want something durable and pre-drilled, preferably with more space between the stick and the buttons than is standard.

[Anonymous No.6231481]

>>6231470
>durable
Sounds like something from AllFightSticks might be up your alley? Their thing is making metal cases.
https://allfightsticks.com/
They have an 18" case (though from what I can see the button/stick spacing is pretty standard).
If you bought one of their 18" universal cases and went with a "mix stick" button panel (cut to allow WASD keys as well as a stick), that's probably the way to have the maximum space between the buttons and the stick. Lots of options there, though, so take a look around.

[Anonymous No.6231494]

>>6231481
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6232105]

>>6230626
lurk moar

[Anonymous No.6232143]

>>6226032
I got an MC Cthulhu and got it made by Toodles on Shoryuken for cheap. He made PC/PS3, Gamecube, PS2 cables for me too. I love my HRAP 3 SE.

[Anonymous No.6232206]

>>6232143
R.I.P. SRK forums

[Anonymous No.6232794]

>>6232105
Your posts about the boards in question have been indecipherable memespeak.

[Anonymous No.6233220]

>>6232794
>my so-called brain stops working if you use a common term from before I in/v/aded

[Anonymous No.6233372]

>>6233220
Thanks for contributing to the continuing deterioration of the board memelord. Have fun archiving your copesplaining with Mario jumps.

[Anonymous No.6233861]

>>6233372
What you call "deterioration" is simply making 4chan great again. Ridding this place of retarded zoomers who can't even understand their own memespeak is just doing gods work. I will travel across the board, searching far and wide. To trigger them is my real test, To rek them is my cause.