Playing PS1 games on PS2

[Anonymous No.6221983]

Does the PS1 rely on composite blur dithering effects, so I should use the composite cable instead of component when playing PS1 games on my PS2?
Other than games that flat out don't work, are there any noticeable glitches due to the PS2 slim's software emulation of PS1?

[Anonymous No.6222002]

What?

[Anonymous No.6222006]

>>6221983
If you’re emulating you’d be better off using a pi. The ps2 emulation is actually quite poor

[Anonymous No.6222079]

>>6222006
I prefer using the discs because I don't want to download illegal ROMs.
>>6222002
Composite looks better than component for certain consoles like Sega Genesis >>6218819
. I'm wondering if this is true for PS1 as well.

[Anonymous No.6222109]

>>6222079
>illegal ROMs
hahaha how can people say something like that unironically?

[Anonymous No.6222114]

>>6222079

[Anonymous No.6222125]

>>6222109
hahaha have fun with your input lag
>>6222114
It's not. And here is a report of there being glitches with PS1 games when using a PS2 silm https://www.reddit.com/r/ps2/comments/a5ahjy/ps1_games_on_ps2_uses_emulation_sometimes/eblcvr5/

[Anonymous No.6222126]

Get the component cable. There are no effects that only work over composite or svideo on PSX. There's a few on the GameCube that only work correctly when not playing in progressive mode.

[Anonymous No.6222130]

>>6222125
depends on the slim model, all ps2's have some ps1 incompatibility but it gets worse the higher the model number goes. the earliest scph-7XXXX models are solid I think up to 75000? Past that they get noticeably worse with compatibility as they consolidated the PS1 support to cheaper solutions.

[Anonymous No.6222135]

>>6222125
>input lag
not talking about emulation, you can burn those "illegal ROMs" to a CD-R too.

[Anonymous No.6222143]

All 2D games benefit from composite blur in some ways. 3D games will look too sharp over component. S-video is the best compromise.

[Anonymous No.6222154]

>>6222135
I don't have a modchip or want to install one or bother with swap tricks or burning discs. I'm not poor.
>>6222130
I have the earliest slim, but I thought it still doesn't have hardware compatibility and uses software emulation so it might have glitches.

[Anonymous No.6222158]

>>6222114
>not realizing some "people" are actually that retarded

[Anonymous No.6222173]

>>6222154
It has hardware compatibility, just not as good as scph3XXXX PS2s. some games will never work. It wasn't until I think the 9XXXX series they went full software.

[kuuhaku No.6222173,1]

blur since when cables had a chip to do that?
no leaving the jokes aside ps1 had bilinear filtering and anisothropic filtering,dithering is something native on old TVs specially crt,new LED TV also have the same technology so no loss whatsoever just setup the gaming profile to behave like an old TV and ready.

[Anonymous No.6222206]

>>6222079
>illegal ROMs
>>6222125
>direct linking to reddit
My advice would be to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6222252]

>>6222206
ooga booga leddit triggered

[Anonymous No.6222287]

>>6222154
even with all the money in the world, you would really want to wait your used game to get shipped and all that bullshit? instead of just burning a disc in 5 minutes at home?

[Anonymous No.6222294]

>>6222079
Then rip disc images of your games and emulate them legally retard.

[Anonymous No.6222325]

>>6222287
I already own the games I want to play.
Besides,
>hold on man i just have to do this disc swap trick so we can play tekken 3 wait a minute
>>6222294
I don't want to rip my discs and I don't want to emulate because I'm sensitive to input lag and it's inconsistent in gameplay, especially on weak hardware like the pi the lag changes a lot. On original hardware it's steady the whole time.
>>6222006
>The ps2 emulation is actually quite poor
It's not emulation. It's native hardware support.

[Anonymous No.6222339]

>>6222325
what trick? i have a ps2 slim with matrix and just burned crash ctr the other day and it played fine, even being a 90006 model.
didnt tested many games(prefer the psp with component for ps1) but the only game i remember not working was SOTN.

[Anonymous No.6222349]

PS1 supported RGB, and everybody who cared about quality used RGB. Blur makes dithering look worse.

[Anonymous No.6222354]

>>6222325
>>hold on man i just have to do this disc swap trick so we can play tekken 3 wait a minute
50001 owner here with og matrix chip.
no need for tricks, put the disc and enjoy your "backups". at most I have to hold circle when I power on the ps2 to force ps1 mode if autodetection fails.

[Anonymous No.6222358]

>>6222339
>i have a ps2 slim with matrix
I don't want to order a modchip and install it. Also, I like having friends over and they can look through my real games and play them, not a stack of burned DVDs. Again, I already own a bunch of games, I'm not a poor modchip fag.
>>6222349
Ok thanks I'll use a component cable.

[Anonymous No.6222360]

>>6222354
>hey guys just look through these burned discs instead of cool original cases
>let me restart and hold down circle so we can play on my poorfag setup

[Anonymous No.6222367]

>>6222360
>hey guys look at all those games I bought
>let me look at the cases because that's all that's important
buyfag detected

[Anonymous No.6222370]

Just to clarify some things about the slim versions:

>SCPH-700XX
First slim series, they supposedly contain actual PS1 CPU like the fats, no emulation.

>SCPH-750XX
This, and all future slim models, are said to ‘emulate’ PS1 games. The 75 has confirmed compatibility issues with an added handful of PS2 and PS1 games compared to other models.

>SCPH-770XX
>SCPH-790XX
These versions are supposedly revised and should have less compatibilty issues than 75, if any.

>SCPH-900XX
Judging by the lack of reported incompatible games on this model, it’s likely the same as the 77/79 in terms of compatibility. This is the redesigned slim with a different casing and an internal power supply (as opposed to the external power brick of other slims).

[Anonymous No.6222373]

>>6222367
I bought the games over 20 years ago. I'm not using your zoomer poorfag modchip setup, I already have everything working perfectly, seethe harder.

[Anonymous No.6222449]

>>6222373
don't come back here crying when those discs stop working then.
discs have a finite life (even when you treat them as a holy object), that's why chipping the console and using backups is the best option idiot.

[Anonymous No.6222462]

>>6222449
I own dozens of discs and not one has stopped working yet. If one stopped working I would buy a new one Sounds like a lot of poorfag cope, remember my games get more valuable every day while your modchip is basically worthless. If you're going to play for free just emulate. Instead you spent the little money you had on something that won't go up in value like a true poorfag.

[Anonymous No.6222489]

>>6221983
Yes, ps1 games look like ass with ps2 component, the dithering will put you off

[Anonymous No.6222507]

>>6222489
To add to that if you search around there are action replay/game shark codes out there to disable ps1 dithering

[Anonymous No.6222586]

>>6222462
if you have so much money, why do you care about value in your games? you are waiting to sell them?

[Anonymous No.6222594]

>>6222586
I might sell some of them some day but they're also fun to make modchip poorfags seethe. I don't have that much money I'm just not poor.

[Anonymous No.6222616]

>>6222594
i still have some of my old games and will never sell them.
if you want to build value in those used games its alright but a modded console is way more practical if your only intent is to play the game.

[Anonymous No.6222619]

>>6222462
>I own dozens of discs and not one has stopped working yet
How do you know one hasn't stopped working since the last time you used it? Even if you had each one running in a separate PlayStation at the same time, they're not accessing the entirety of the disc simultaneously. Part of the disc could be fucked and you wouldn't know. AFAIK the only way you could know is to be some all-knowing deity, and that's not really doable on a budget.

[Anonymous No.6222657]

>>6221983

I'm going to assume you are using a component capable CRT. I play PS1 games all the time on mine via a PS2, and I can say with 100% confidence it blows composite out of the water. The ps1 catalog makes extensive use of dithering which will be more visible than over composite where it'll just blur together, but even if that's something that would bother you, the increased vibrancy/accuracy of colors along with sharp text rendering make it more than worthwhile.

>>6222325

Swapping adds like 10 seconds to starting up a game. Insert your legit disc, press power, hold down a button while you do it, when the disc stops spinning, put the game in, close the lid and press X. Really easy.

[Anonymous No.6222662]

>>6222657

Example of PS1 via ps2 component out. Phone camera makes the colors a bit weird.

[Anonymous No.6222674]

>>6222657

This is via ps2 component,phone camera might make things look weird

[Anonymous No.6222680]

>>6222674
if you've got a game that uses heavy dithering like silent hill can you show it?

[Anonymous No.6222697]

>>6222680

don't have a pic on me right now, if someone else doesn't post one before I get home later I can load up something to take a pic of

[Anonymous No.6222779]

>>6222616
Thanks but I'll stick to the real thing.
>>6222619
Just works for me. Sounds like more poorfag cope, keep it coming.

[Anonymous No.6222841]

>>6222449
The only ones crying here are poorfag emubabies

[Anonymous No.6222923]

>>6222507
>disable dithering
>get banding
Great advice.

[Anonymous No.6223270]

>>6222370
>PS2 slim 7000x doesn’t emulate PS1

I hear this a lot, does anyone have some kind of info regarding this? It seems strange that they would make one series of slim with PS1 hardware.

[Anonymous No.6223286]

>>6222079
>Composite looks better than component for certain consoles like Sega Genesis

I have never ever agreed with this.

[Anonymous No.6223298]

>>6223286
MUH WATERFALL

[Anonymous No.6223305]

>be euro
>get a PS2 because you get retro autism
>want to play PS1 games with it
>intend to buy legit copies of them
>many of the ones you want to try don't even have PAL releases
>have to mod the console to play legit games
I actually did this

[Anonymous No.6223307]

>>6223298
The waterfall is the least of the issues, look at the background in Ecco in both rgb and the composite

[Anonymous No.6223324]

>>6223298
Muh extra fake colours! muh colour blending!!!

[Anonymous No.6223349]

>>6222680
Not him, but on an OG PS1 I played Chrono Cross in composite since it had tons of dithering. Legend of Mana on the other hand looked way better in RGB. I recommend keeping both composite or S-video alongside your component cable on a PS2. Not sure about PS2, but PS1 has a pretty good composite output.

>>6222079
Not true, it's well known that Genesis has poor composite output but amazing RGB output that easily outclasses that of the SNES. Most games don't make heavy use of dithering and even if they do the use of composite will still mean a large downgrade in video quality.

[Anonymous No.6223354]

>>6223305
i wish i could do that modding shit myself, instead i ended up buying ntsc console from the US

[Anonymous No.6223393]

>>6223354
Oh, I didn't mod it myself. I know a guy. Actually I know several guys.

[Anonymous No.6223657]

>>6223354
Buying another console is the way to go, but you could take the cheaper route and buy an FMCB memory card. Saves you the hassle and risk of modding with a chip.

[Anonymous No.6223660]

>>6223657
Not retro. You can't play PS1 games with a FMCB card. Now you're just talking about playing 6th gen which will never be retro.

[Anonymous No.6223735]

>>6221983
Depends on the game. If it's an arcade or PC port use the component. If it's an exclusive see if you like the look of composite better.

[Anonymous No.6223751]

>>6222130
wrong
>>6222173
wrong
>>6223270
700xx's mainboard is not that much different from 500xx except for size and some parts, the ICs are mostly the same (it even has most of the IDE-stuff in place except for the connector).
750xx was the first with die-shrinks and combined IC, and it's also the the version with the most issues with PS1-games (and even ps2 games). It's also the first replacing the ps1-cpu with a custom PPC-IC (called DECKARD).
770xx and newer fixed those compat-issues and are about the same as 700xx compatbility-wise. (and no, the wikipedia-article is wrong, the source it's citing for 770xx applies only to 750xx)

>>6223657
>using POPStarter
>ever

[Anonymous No.6223789]

>>6223660
you can play PS1 with FMCB but is just terrible, as this guy pointed >>6223751.
the only game i actually beat without many issues using popstarter was ehrgeiz dungeon mode but most of the time you will get vertex explosions.

[Anonymous No.6223795]

>>6222125
>And here is a report of there being glitches with PS1 games when using a PS2 silm

This is because the retard is launching games with POPs, not the native PS1 hardware.
PS1 hardware on PS2 is in charge of the I/O (which includes USB) so if you're running ROMs off the USB, it obviously can't be used as PS1 hardware.

Boot of CD-Rs and the system will use real hardware.

[Anonymous No.6225130]

>>6222923
depends on the game. gran turismo 1 & 2 look 10 times better without dithering.

[Anonymous No.6225257]

>>6222373
Serious question, how do you have your games from 20 years ago still? The main reason I use modded consoles and flashcarts is that my collection has been stolen and sold off three times by ex girlfriends or shitty friends.

[Anonymous No.6225503]

POPStarter works perfect for like, at least half of ps1 games. Maybe 70% even. It's convenient AF idk why anyone hates on it (for the shit it does run without issues)

[Anonymous No.6225824]

>>6225503
Personally, I prefer 99%, tbqh.

[Anonymous No.6225831]

>>6223795
Why don’t Doom, Gran Turismo 2 and Tomba work correctly on my skin then.

[Anonymous No.6226128]

>>6225824

I prefer not using the laser or burning discs unless I have to

[Anonymous No.6226129]

>>6225824

I prefer not using the laser or burning discs unless I have to

[Anonymous No.6227625]

>>6221983
Yes, as far I now composite blur the dithering, I've noticed it with composite cable.

[Anonymous No.6227631]

>>6222125
based tech illiterate

[Anonymous No.6228021]

>>6223751
Does that mean that 7000x is better at handling PS1 than later slim versions? And would a "custom PPC-IC" constitute emulation?

The way other people usually explain (or parrot) it, they make it sound like any PS2 slim after 7000x runs some kind of virtual machine for PS1 games.

[Anonymous No.6228059]

>>6225257
By not having a shitty life in comparison?

[Anonymous No.6228229]

>>6228021
>Does that mean that 7000x is better at handling PS1 than later slim versions?
no
>And would a "custom PPC-IC" constitute emulation?
>The way other people usually explain (or parrot) it, they make it sound like any PS2 slim after 7000x runs some kind of virtual machine for PS1 games.
It's not the same silicon as used in the PS1 but a PPC running a program acting like one.

[Anonymous No.6228460]

>>6225257
My mom tried to throw out my PS1 cases in favor of a shitty disc binder. Luckily I caught her and told her to not touch them.
90% of the dvd's I had in that binder are now bent and unplayable. Close fucking call...