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What is it about Majora's Mask carts specifically that cause them to break apart? It's the only n64 game where a lot of copies I find in person or online have bits of the shell broken off.

>> No.6211179

people who can't take care of shit

>> No.6211182

>>6211168
Those gold/silver plastics are always shit-tier brittle.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was jewel case material with metal dust in it.

>> No.6211204

>>6211182
The 'gold' is an impurity. Just like in metal forging, impurities lower the durability of the product.

>> No.6211212

>>6211182
>>6211204
This makes a lot of sense. This doesn't seem to happen with OoT or Pokemon Stadium 2 though.

>> No.6211228

>>6211212
Because those are made with 100% pure gold. No impurities at all.

>> No.6211265

>>6211168
Probably a combination of bad luck and retardation on your end. All mine are in good condition and there are plenty o\others that are.

>> No.6211279

>>6211265
>Probably a combination of bad luck and retardation on your end

Learn to read. When did I say my copy was damaged? I said copies I see for sale online and offline are usually damaged.

>> No.6211281

>>6211168
The cycle system breaks young players' minds.
Their anger results in damage.

>> No.6211348

>>6211279
>When did you say my copy was damaged?
>Learn to read
Epic irony fucktard

>> No.6211384

I just looked on ebay and only 1 out of maybe 50 results are damaged. Seems normal as far as old carts go. You're a bit delusional OPm just a bit.

>> No.6211394
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6211394

>>6211168
Look up "gold plastic syndrome." Basically, hard plastics that have that "swirly" metallic color (gold or otherwise) have a tendency to become brittle with age, even if they were fine when new. You see it all the time with old toys. I don't know what the exact mechanism is that causes this, but as >>6211204 mentions the metal particles mixed in the plastic somehow acts as the catalyst for it. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do to avoid this AFAIK, just gotta treat it carefully.

>> No.6211405

I remember the label haveing some type of holographic effect to it but my cassette doesnt seem to do it anymore is this the case for everyone else?

>> No.6211418

if gunpla has taught me anything it's that gold plastic is shit and made of compressed cobwebs. RIP hyaku shiki

>> No.6211427

>>6211348
How do you attribute broken copies online to his supposed retardation then?

>> No.6211543

>>6211418
Which one did you build? I never handled any of the Hyaku Shiki kits so I don't know how well they hold up.

>> No.6211563

>>6211168
This never happened to my gold OoT or MM. What the heck could you have done to it for that to happen?

>> No.6211704

>>6211228
Pure gold is extremely soft.

>> No.6211787

>>6211704
Soft means pliable, not brittle.

>> No.6211814

>>6211563

>>6211168
>a lot of copies I find in person or online

I have zero interest in this thread. I just wanted to point out you cannot read.

>> No.6211825

>>6211394
That's really interesting stuff there. Never thought about it like that.

>> No.6211901

>>6211168
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Gold_Plastic_Syndrome

>> No.6211903

https://youtu.be/clP1CcxSZY4

>> No.6211909

>>6211168
reflects the quality of the game

>> No.6211914

>>6211168
>>6211394
This is wild. I'm VERY familiar with Gold Plastic Syndrome as an issue with toys, but I never once considered it might apply to game cartridges as well. Makes perfect sense though.

>> No.6211915

>>6211903
I just saw a group of grown men discussing toys in depth, even namedropping specific ones. Now I know what we look like to people not interested in the hobby.

>> No.6211967

>>6211168
Fits of autistic rage

>> No.6211998

>>6211543
the modern HG one, it was a great kit like most modern HGs are but one tumble and he was thoroughly toast. and then the MG absolutely requires painting because instead of gold plastic it has a glossy gold finish and denubbing it will cover it in dull spots. sadly there's no winning with hyaku shiki

>> No.6212013

>>6211204
>>6211394
Dyes at all are an impurity in plastic, technically speaking. Gold Plastic Syndrome is actually a bit of a misnomer because any colour can suffer from the effects, it's just much more prevalent in metallic style plastic because it's really difficult/expensive to make metallic dyes properly bond and mix into plastic. Any slight stress or movement of the plastic will cause all the plastic the loosen from the metallic particle its loaded with, rather than simply flexing like a plastic that's been bonded to its dye properly. Once the plastic has loosened enough it will start to crumble.

And the thing with GPS in particular is that it's not an age thing. Absolutely all plastics become weak and brittle with age but GPS plastics basically start deteriorating the second they're popped out of the injection mold and finish cooling because they just really are not capable of handling stress at all. Some of the "better quality" GPS prone plastics can make it a few years before the effects start to take their toll but some of the worst GPS plastics are already fragile before they've even made it to a store shelf.

That MM cart is definitely affected by GPS just by glancing at it. When good plastic gets broken like that, it'll seem all chewed up and stressed around the edges/cuts/breaks because the plastic will naturally be stressed as it's being damaged. GPS breaks almost always happen before the plastic can even form stress marks. Like strong plastic would never be able to have a crack like that one on the left, that MM cart is just crumbling like old concrete

t. transformers autismo. So so many mid 90's to early 00's transformers had to deal with this crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcjAUN5Ssj8

>> No.6212016

>>6212013
some sort of comolding or breakthrough in material science could fix this, either that or just stop using the gold powder and swap it out for something else

>> No.6212034

>>6212016
I mean that is pretty much what already happened. Manufacturers only ever got better as mixing strong plastics and companies that know what they're doing should be able to make metallic plastics that don't suffer from GPS anymore. People sometimes report GPS-like breaks on some newer things but pretty much the last transformers toy considered to be affected by GPS on a universal level was from 2007.

Most of the time too nowadays of toy/figure companies want something metallic they just use normal plastic and paint it.

>> No.6212039

>>6212034
wasnt there an issue with scorponok (not black zarak, movie version) in like 2009-2010?

Were you around back in the day for all the usenet/aol chat/irc chat drama? God damn those were the days my friend

>> No.6212050

>>6212013
autism or not the boards need more people who know their shit willing to dole out detailed responses

>> No.6212274

>>6211228
OoT and Stadium 2 are not pure gold. They're just painted plastic.

>> No.6212304

>>6211427
I attributed your inability to find non-broken copies to your retardation

>> No.6212341

>pop onto /vr/
>get /toy/ instead
You know, I'm alright with this. I was about to drop the whole Transformers GPS thing here too, but someone already did it.

>> No.6212364

Thanks for the information, /toy. Honestly makes me apprehensive about popping in my old MM cart in the future. Might even swap my US PCB into my JP shell for playing.

>> No.6212463

>>6211168
The plastic material they used was probably not as strong. Different plastics have different properties, and to get certain looks you might have to go with certain plastics and compounds you normally wouldn't.
As I understand, translucent plastics are inherently less structurally strong than opaque ones, so I figure whatever this plastic is, has weaker properties.

>>6211394
>>6212013
This was fascinating and in depth, thank you.

>> No.6212558

>>6212016
It's basically impossible and it's especially not cheap. You can grind the particles smaller so they can do less damage but any time you add something to a plastic it's going to change the way it behaves. You can delay the problem but you can never truly fix it.

>> No.6212569

>>6212558
What if somehow the gold plastic was layered onto normal plastic? Or, no, that probably wouldn't be all that much better, core strength would be fine, but the thin layer on the outside would be more brittle than ever, and it'd flake off.
I guess a metallic paint is just the better solution.

>> No.6212596

>>6212569
Paint bonds directly with the material it touches by filling in the tiny texture. It has some flex to it so it can move around but stay attached. These days they don't even use paint, they plate the whole thing in a very thin sheet of metal instead. It looks better and is less effort to do.

Adding what is effectively sand into plastic means it's always grinding against it's self until it fractures. It's sort of like making a castle where every 4th brick has to be made of wood. You're no longer a complete stone castle so when the wooden blocks start to weaken the stones ability to connect with each other they all fall apart. Over time those stones will drift away from each other as they get worn, but adding something "non-sticky" between the bricks makes it happen much faster.

Also have to remember game cartridges are made of the cheapest shit they can get away with. As long as they could survive a couple of floor drops that was good enough. Even if they found a solution or a way to make a plastic metallic without inserting metal into it you wouldn't see it being used in game carts or toys, it would always be cheaper to do it the way they do now.

>> No.6212957

>>6211563
N64 sits on shelf in front of TV
Someone yanks/walks through the controller cord
N64 topples to the floors, flipping over and all the force smashes into the cart.

>> No.6212961

>>6211405
Only american carts had the holographic effect. European and japanese carts don't.

>> No.6213009

>>6211563
Accidents happen. Sometimes stupid accidents, sometimes accidents by chance (maybe you were moving and the moving guys dropped the box). Mind, this plastic material is FAR more brittle than the normal gray plastic cases, in the worst of cases, this swirly metallic looking plastic can crumble under its own weight.

>> No.6213014

>>6212596
Huh, never thought you could metal plate plastics, but I guess there's no reason you can't.

>> No.6213017

>>6212050
Absolutely.

>> No.6213018

>>6212364
>Might even swap my US PCB into my JP shell for playing.
I think you're risking it more by swapping shells (since you'll have to screw and shit) than by just playing the game. I don't think just popping the cart on the console will make it break. Just make sure the cart is always properly stored and not lying around somewhere where it could be moving around.

>> No.6213028

>>6213018
>I don't think just popping the cart on the console will make it break
The way that Transformers Wiki article puts it there's examples of this kind of plastic crumbling at the slightest touch, however the propensity seems to vary between different toys, some are more likely, probably depending on the exact mix and production of the plastic in question, as well as the structure of the toy, some don't seem particularly affected at all.

I haven't really heard all that much about MM carts falling apart like it always happens, so if he's careful it'll probably be fine.
Optionally it's an excuse to invest in a flash cart.

>> No.6213039

I've never seen a copy that looks like that. I understand metallic plastics are weaker but they aren't just going to spontaneously explode or shatter I'm beginning to think OP is retarded and went to special school and all of his sperg special school friends were hard on their games. I've never had plastic just fall apart, now I've seen old plastics that crumble but that's only from rough handling like what you or one of your tard friends did to that game

>> No.6213062

>>6213028
The transformer toys are way more complex than a cart. They are articulated and include all the transformation shit, lots of joins and moving parts. I'd imagine it's way more common to find broken transformer toys than MM carts.
Still, carts can get broken if they're not properly stored, some people aren't careful and just SLAM the carts on the console, or when they're done with it, they might throw it in some drawer as if they were a pair of socks, I imagine most carts that are damaged are because of that.

>> No.6213064

>>6213039
It probably depends heavily on the mix, production conditions, batches, etc.

>> No.6213079

>>6213064
ive handled plastic from the 70s that just snaps apart formulas we dont even use anymore and it still wouldnt have shattered like that cart did, OP is probably a sperg and threw his console across the room.

>> No.6213087

>>6211903
>transformers convention
>isnt a complete sausage fest
mind blown

>> No.6213091

>>6213087
Lucky bastards, their community wasn't tainted by attention whores and normalfags... although probably infested with reseller scum.

>> No.6213106

>>6213087
I imagine that it's a matter of just toy collectors in general intermingling, a woman who collects Barbie could potentially have some interest in some of the booths you may see at Transformers con, I imagine.

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>>6213106
>A woman who collects Barbie
Makes me think of that Dexter's lab episode

>> No.6213265

>>6213014
For the standard plastics used in consumer goods you can't. Tardanon is retarded. In order to plate plastic you literally paint it with conductive ink. So not only are you painting it but you're not even plating the plastic, you're plating that ink. You also usually have to use primer first. So you have plastic, covered by primer, covered by conductive paint which is metal plated.

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6214545

>>6211182
>>6211204
>>6211394
>idiots that think they use actual gold in the making of colored plastics

I bet you think gold-colored felt pens literally have liquid gold in them too.

>> No.6214563

>>6211168
Gold Plastic Syndrome

Transformers toys have been hit especially hard, since some of them used it almost totally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcjAUN5Ssj8

Hasbro claims they fixed it but it can be literally 5-20 years in most cases before it hits and Hasbro is full of shit. The most recent known toy to suffer is "Unite Warriors" Motormaster from 2015-2016(Japanese release- US is fine)

>> No.6214572

>>6213087
Now the real question is how many women are there who weren't a reluctant tag along with a husband or boyfriend (or I guess a manchild adult son or brother).

>> No.6214631

All this talk has me worried about my gold n64 controller. Could it happen with that too? That was my favorite controller as a kid and I dont want that shit broken. The fact I've had it since I was like 4 years old and it's in great condition makes me feel like it's ok but maybe I've just been lucky. I'm not exactly the most gentle person with my controllers though

>> No.6214716

>>6214631
If it's painted, no. If it's actual plastic, possibly but not a guarantee. Some "gold plastic" things randomly survive.

>>6214545
Some gold paints have copper for coloration, which is why a lot of old toys randomly have parts turn green.

>> No.6214736

>>6214545
Do you even youtube faggot? There are literally dozens of videos done by people with no scientific knowledge or experience whatsoever explaining how this works in vague pseudo scientific terms. If that's not enough to convince you I don't know what to say. You probably don't believe that all the airplanes fell out of the sky on Jan 1 2000 or that the Maldives has been compleetly underwater for two years. What a fucking moran LOL.

>> No.6215167

>>6214545
Who said that it was actual gold, you sped?

>> No.6215180

>>6214545
Nobody said it was, you absolute chest-slapper.

>> No.6215185

>>6214631
I think those are painted so you’re safe. Putting a clear enamel coat on it inside and out would protect it will. Clear nail polish acrylic is a cheap easy solution.

>> No.6215189

This thread made me check my MM cart. Still pristine, I have it since release.

>> No.6215548

>/vr/ memeing about disc-rot
>now it's cart-rot
what's next, kakarot?

>> No.6215570

>>6215548
This isn't about "cart-rot", the actual chipboard inside is still perfectly fine, if you put it in a new shell it would work like normal.
Also no meme, this plastic is inherently brittle.

Disc-rot is a vastly exaggerated meme about disc media degenerating its readability and content, which usually is a sign of defective manufacturing or water damage.

>> No.6215664

>>6214545

One of the most disturbing things about this website is that it's a safe place for people like this to come out and show themselves. This dude is an adult (probably), maybe even older than 30, who said something this stupid and thought it was a big "gotcha" against others. And prior to that, this person saved a trashy, faddish, almost meaninglessly obscure reaction image, certainly in mind but quite possibly also on disk (in a carefully curated folder full of similar images), thinking it would be useful for executing a witty takedown in a situation like this. This partial person lives among us and has the legal rights we have.

>> No.6215718

>>6214545
Some goldfingers in electronics really are gold plated but were talking like a spray that is applied to them

>> No.6215835

>>6215664
I like you anon keep it up

>> No.6215973

>>6214545
pic related is you

>> No.6216280

>>6211168
This is why I don't hoard rotting plastic and emulate like a patrician.

>> No.6216291

>>6216280
Patricians aren't afraid of the rare chance 1 of their carts might """rot""", though.

>> No.6216295

>>6215548
Anything to convince these old farts to finally sell their stuff for cheap.
It's not fair that they keep it all to themselves.

>> No.6216335

>>6216280
People have dug up old Colt revolvers with plastic grips that have been in the ground for over a century, the gun basically rusted away, but the grip almost like new.
I'm thinking if I don't keep my plastics in a sewer, and don't leave them exposed to constant sunlight, and don't treat them like trash, they'll probably outlast me.

>> No.6216356

>>6216280
>rotting plastic
Oxymoron.
There's an ecological disaster brewing precisely because plastic doesn't decompose and takes thousands of years to photodegrade.

>> No.6216387

>>6216356
Doesn't really rot, no, not in any pace which is appreciable by us, though some conditions can weaken plastic and compromise the structure of the item. Plastics can be damaged by harsh sunlight exposure, and some can be damaged by water.

That big gyre of plastic particles in the ocean is pretty bad news. I really wanted that one guy's project to work, but last I heard he still hadn't gotten it off the ground.

>> No.6216401

>>6216291
>>6216335
>>6216356
This is hoarder mentality cope. Get help and put your garbage wear it belongs.

>> No.6216403

>>6216401
>put your garbage wear(sic) it belongs
On ebay so you can buy it? No thanks. I'd rather keep it.
My MM cart is in great condition btw lol. Still boxed and all.

>> No.6216450

>>6215664
lol owned

>> No.6216495

>>6213087
Random stab in the dark, most of them are probably sexually attracted to Starscream.

>> No.6216542

>>6216495
>most of them are starscream faghags
FTFY