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6196937 No.6196937 [Reply] [Original]

Is there an N64 analog stick replacement that’s as good as the original yet?

>> No.6196946

>>6196937
I've found the best replacement is taking an old analog stick and replacing the stick, bowl, and gears with ones from Kitsch-Bent.
https://store.kitsch-bent.com/product/n64-joystick-gears

>> No.6197247

>>6196937
https://steelsticks64.com/
Is the only only that feels like a N64 stick and it's durable. But it's expensive, it's never in stock, it has a huge waiting list, etc, etc.

>> No.6197276

No, not really. All replacement sticks I've tried have been disappointing, worst being the Gamecube style sticks. Either they are too sensitive, or utter trash that last a month. Best bet is Kitsch-bent. The parts do fix up the stick pretty good, but it more than likely won't be 100% like the oem stick.

As for unofficial controllers, they all tend to be overly sensitive. Not bad for most games. FPS games tend to be difficult with unofficial controllers however.

>> No.6197987

No but here is a good way to fix it if you time on your hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQhlSXIsR0

The only thing I did add to this is for you to add some plastic friendly lubrificant once you are done.

>> No.6197996

>>6197247
Its shit https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ddxMqYFvI
>>6196946
Still not one to one with the original

>> No.6198002

>>6197247
So it’s essentially vaporware and not a viable choice. Got it.

>> No.6198012
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6198012

What's the best way to replicate the n64 sound for music and effects in a 64 inspired game? I can't find any system-specific tools like famitracker. Is it best to just take n64 samples and put them any old saw? Any help greatly appreciated

>> No.6198031

>>6197996
Serious question, are you retarded? The guy in that video has overwhelmingly positive things to say about it.

>> No.6198038

>>6197996
>only shooters have issues with it
>somehow is the controller is at fault, not the game
every rare game has that wonky aim with any controller, is not the controller.
and yes, I've played at least dk64 with an og controller.

>> No.6198040

>>6198031
Skip ahead when he plays perfect dark and golden eye it way sensitive

>> No.6198043

>>6196937
I found one on ebay. Dont remember which one but it came in a yellow box. It feels good I'd say, although the stick is slightly taller and if has a much more "mechanical" feel. I took it apart and the insides were lubed up so itll probably last a while. Didnt have problems playing goldeneye or mario.

>> No.6198063
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6198063

>>6198038
For a hundred dollars it should be one to one,theres steal stick n64 controllers like the sharkpad that last a long time and are pretty close the original

>> No.6198064

>>6198038
>every rare game has that wonky aim with any controller
The guy on the video clearly knows what he is taking about, and states the steelstick is too sensitive.

>> No.6198069

>>6198040
“Overall, if I just picked any cart from my library I’m almost guaranteed to have a great time playing with this. Even Perfect Dark or Wave Race I can play with it just fine, it’s very consistent, it’s usable, it’s just not ideal.”
>your retarded brain: “it’s shit”

>> No.6198071

>>6198069
For a hundred dollars it should be ideal theres other controllers that also make the not ideal catagory and they arent a hundred fucking dollars

>> No.6198074

>>6198071
You’re retarded bro

>> No.6198081

I got a sharpshooter. It works ok, though mine is a little rough pushing right. They lubricate them, but it isn't enough or the right kind, so I tore it down and lubed every moving part and gear with silicon grease.

>> No.6198087

>>6198064
he seems to be pretty autistic, but in the wrong way.
>plays smash
>"I can consistently do X and Y"
>moves the stick like a retard and miss lots of times said consistent action.
>plays mk64
>"I have a hard time staying on the track while doing mini turbos because of the sensitivity"
>when pulling mini turbos and driving is much easier with a sensitive controller
but having said that. he has fair points for everything else. except the shooters, aiming with a busted stick is easier in golden eye because you need to move the stick more in order to aim. so using a new controller is gonna feel off.
more travel time = more control over your aim

>> No.6198089 [DELETED] 

>>6198074
What passes for you then an n64 controller thats usable but not ideal, ive never seen the benchmark for the steal stick so you dont even know how off it is your just talking out your ass

>> No.6198096

>>6198081
Those are literal trash, you should have kept the original, it's better in every way.

>> No.6198102

>>6198074
What passes for a usable but not ideal n64 controller then?

>> No.6198103

>>6198096
>keep your literally broken 25 year old control stick, bro, you can't use up or down, but it's better than any replacements, trust me!

>> No.6198196

>>6198102
I reject your framing of that quote. He was overwhelmingly positive and your pea brain can’t get past the “not ideal” part.

>> No.6198270

>>6198196
So what if he was? People think the brawler is good for the same reasons the extra sensitivity makes playing mario tennis and some racing games better, this has been covered by every e celeb on youtube. its more then being able to win the game its about haveing it feel the way its supposed and dumb npcs like yourself will join in barking and clapping your hands together and Will never get a true fucking replacement stick.

>> No.6199859
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6199859

I found this.

>> No.6201290

>>6199859
I want to know where to find those steel ones.

>> No.6201334

>>6198071
>paying 100 bucks for a replaced stick
Geeze at that point just buy a new controller in mint condition, heck even a brand new one in box can't be that much more

>> No.6201351

>>6199859
He gives the Hori Mini stick an average score for feel? It's probably the smoothest and most comfortable stick in existence.

>> No.6201368

>>6201290
Here >>6197247 if you have a lot of money, know the guy and give him a bj.

>> No.6201373

>>6201351
I don't think the feel in there is supposed to mean comfortable, more like it's a comparison to the original feeling since it has the highest feel score.

>> No.6201403

>>6201368
>everything is sold out

Wow, and people tell me the N64 isn't popular at all.

>> No.6201437

>>6201334
One day this mindset is going to lead to the extinction of N64 controllers. Maintenance is going to be the necessary future for all retro things some point this decade.

>> No.6201464

>>6201403
he produced like 3 units and only for beta testers through preorder.

>> No.6201472

>>6199859
lodgenet looks promising.
you just have to limit the range adding something (a plastic ring on the shaft of the stick perhaps) to block its path.

>> No.6201476 [DELETED] 

>>6201437
>One day this mindset is going to lead to the extinction of N64 controllers.
What can people do except not play them? Play with with them lightly? What's the point of not using outside of saving some examples for posterity?

>> No.6201479

>>6201437
>What can people do except not play them? Play with them lightly? What's the point of not using outside of saving some examples for posterity?
/feel stupid that I threw one controller away 20 years ago
//Goldeneye killed it

>> No.6201484

>>6197996
What do you expect.

>> No.6201496

>>6201464
So basically it's a fluff bullshit site.
Well, he has $8 screwdrivers "in stock," so it's not entirely fluff.

>> No.6201584

>>6196937
Yes, with one neat trick you too can shitcan your n64 controller and replace it with the objectively superior ds4. Retards paying $100 for a stick hate this.

>> No.6201671

>>6201437
>One day this mindset is going to lead to the extinction of N64 controllers.
And I'll be long dead when that happens. Until then there are plenty of mint condition ones for sale that were hoarded by collectors over the years. What would be more sad is if people kept replacing the original sticks with all these sub-par alternatives until the originals become hard to find. I'm also convinced that the kind of wear which makes the original sticks unpleasant to use isn't caused by normal use. It happens when idiots are rough with them or use the fucking palm of their hands to spin the stick around. i.e. mario party mini games.
I've used my mint condition controller for 5 years now and it feels exactly the same as when I first got it.

>> No.6201678
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>Why is it so hard to make a good replacement stick?

It's not your ordinary stick.

>> No.6201703

>>6197247
When was the last time product was actually shipped? Shit seems dead.

>> No.6203170

>>6201703
He gave a few to speedrunners and hasn't done anything since.

>> No.6203247

>>6203170
Any notable runners? Only videos I see about the damn thing are demos, unboxings, and a couple of livestreams with just the steelbowl.

>> No.6203378

>>6203247
>Any notable runners?
Very unlikely given the lack of any news about it.

>> No.6204608
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6204608

>>6198012
Bampu

>> No.6204676

>>6196946
These are probably your best bet if the controller is already fucked. If you can get away with replacing just the bowl there hasn't been too much difference from OEM in my experience.

Best possible solution however is to get a mint controller and apply some white lithium grease onto the bowl, Nintendo themselves should have done this(there are some reports they did in early JPN controllers) as it will significantly reduce the natural wear and tear. Also apply this to any replacement bowls.

>> No.6204683

>>6204676
Forgot to mention the 2 gear parts which also need some grease.

>> No.6204857

anyone know how accurate the Raphnet Gamcube to N64 adapter is?

>> No.6204872

>>6204676
I think I will do this. I can find a brand new Japanese N64 controller for like 125 and I will just apply the grease to the bowl to prevent damage to the bowl/stick.

>> No.6204885
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6204885

>>6204872
You can get mint controllers for much cheaper than that, although you won't be able to tell what state the bowl/gears are in before buying. I've had pretty decent luck finding them in good condition, just avoid any controllers that have dust near the stick and obviously those with floppy sticks.

If the gears still look like those on the left and the bowl hasn't been dug out you're golden.

>> No.6204891

>>6204885
Last time I bought a "mint" and guaranteed "tight stick" original N64 controller it had dead zones even though it seemed okay. So I think I need to just bite the bullet and buy an unused/new in box one.

>> No.6204965

>>6198012
Audio on the Nintendo 64 was completely done in software. If you want to recreate the N64 sound, just download some soundfonts ripped from popular N64 games. A sample pack was included in the N64 devkit, but I don't know how much games used it.

>> No.6205001

>>6204965
That also explains why a lot of games stopped playing music in multiplayer, since it freed up resources. I can't think of any other consoles that did this.

>> No.6205184

>>6204885
You'd think it wouldn't be particularly hard for the chinks to replicate these and the bowl.

>> No.6205203

>>6201671
You greased it with silicone grease right? Plastic on plastic wear will eventually wear it out.

>> No.6205234

>>6205184
they have been producing the gears for years.
the bowl is unnecessary, you can fix the og one with epoxy like instructed here:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nintendo+64+Controller+Joystick+Repair/51581
don't forget to apply a lubricant like grease or sewing machine oil.

>> No.6205271

>>6204965
I had read about the software audio before, but I only just googled the phrase "n64 dev kit" and found n64.dev which has sequencers for the 64 as well as tons of other resources. Thanks anon

>> No.6205272

>>6201671
No it doesnt

>> No.6205282

>>6205203
coconut oil works just as well

>> No.6205291

>>6201671
>I'm also convinced that the kind of wear which makes the original sticks unpleasant to use isn't caused by normal use

So you think rubbing hard plastic on softer plastic with no lubrication does not cause friction and abrasion?

What do you think that white powder in your stick is? It ain't coke, that's for sure.

>> No.6205307

>>6205184
They're out there, and they're pretty cheap. From what I can tell a controller fixed with these replacement parts control no different from a mint controller, though a Mario 64 speedrunner might disagree. (those people are best off buying a new/mint controller and lubricating the original parts properly)
Either way, it's a lot better than replacing the whole mechanism with a shitty knockoff and much cheaper than this metal vaporware stick if it was available.

>> No.6205310

>>6196937
>as good as the original
The N64 stick sucks tho. You should be asking
>mimics the original while being way better and not literally causing self harm everytime I play mario party 1

>> No.6205325

>>6205310
The problem is the minigame design in MP1, not the stick design.

>> No.6205334

>>6205325
I mean I suppose I'll give them that. It was the first attempt at a controller of that kind after all.

>> No.6205340

>>6205325
ask how many people ruined any other controller with non-shitty sticks playing mp1 on an emulator.
the answer is 0.

>> No.6205343

>>6205310
The N64 stick is a flawed design, but their precision is unmatched when new. You will not have the same range of movement with any 3rd party controller or stick mech replacement.

>>6205325
>Canary Mary in Banjo-Tooie was originally intended to be a stick-turning minigame like those in MP1
The fallout would almost have been worth it.

>> No.6205345

>>6205343
Yeah I know about the precision. Hey You Pikachu for some reason has 1:1 analog stick display on the pause screen if I remember correctly. I just feel like grooves on the top were kind of a bad design choice retroactively.

>> No.6205494

>>6205282
Won't that rot?

>> No.6205521

>>6205494
coconut oil is used as an engine lubricant and besides you are not gonna eat it.
you can use sewing machine oil if you are still concerned.

>> No.6205982

>>6205521
>Sewing machine oil
Why not just use the grease for the application, silicone grease. Same shit used on arcade joysticks.

>> No.6205986
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>>6204965
>Audio on the Nintendo 64 was completely done in software
If by "done in software" you mean "CPU processes audio", then that's wrong.

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>>6205986
That's why I wrote "done in software" instead of "done by the CPU". The process of waveform synthesis is simply accelerated by the RSP. The programmer could write their own audio microcode if they wanted more flexibility.

>> No.6206591

>>6205982
that too.
you can use pretty much any lubricant that doesn't eat plastic.
sewing machine oil is special though since it doesn't leave any residue at all so the moving parts will never get jammed while with lubricants that leave residue you'll have to service the stick from time to time.

>> No.6206612

>>6206534
>The process of waveform synthesis is simply accelerated by the RSP
RSP does everything that a sound chip would do though. When it says "the CPU creates an audio command list", that's something that every console would have to do. Obviously, the sound chip can't work without a list of tasks.

When they say "implemented by software", they just mean that you can program your own audio functions in microcode. But the RSP is much faster at processing audio than a CPU is. It's a DSP after all, just a programmable one.

>> No.6206613

>>6205986
the RSP is in charge of audio playback but in order for it to do mixing, effects and all that you have to write microcode to do so.
so is pretty much like the gba but instead of using the CPU, it uses the RSP.
so the audio quality is dependent on how good your audio playback software is.

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>>6196937
micro's PCB v3

>> No.6207310

>>6205340
How many people have had to deal with a clogged carburetor in a fuel injected car?

At least n64 sticks don't develop irreparable drift in a month.

>> No.6207828

>>6207264
this WAS the best, but no one makes these anymore and the sticks have been discontinued

>> No.6207916

>>6207828
you can make your own
the tricky part is getting the pcb, but you can order it at any pcb fabrication house
other than that, it's not that hard