/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6195893]

Is this the most underrated Mario game? It was just great. It was a huge step up from the first Mario Land. It even introduced Wario.

[Anonymous No.6195971]

I like it alot but other than warios castle fhe game is way too easy

[Anonymous No.6195973]

>>6195893
My favorite game on that console after Link's Awakening. Many AA batteries were sacrificed.

[Anonymous No.6195984]

>>6195893
>Not SMB2 The Lost Levels
No.

[Anonymous No.6195998]

It has the best overworld of any mario game I think, and it's really atmospheric in general and gives you a real sense of purpose besides just "save the princess". Where it fails I think are the controls, they feel so loose and floaty compared to the console mario games. Still way better than SML1 though.

[Anonymous No.6196004]

>>6195971
I had SML 1 and Wario Land, but never played SML 2. Loved both, I should get my hands on a Gameboy one of these days

[Anonymous No.6196014]

Mario Land 2 had some pretty surreal worlds. Even when I was a little kid I thought some areas were weird, like the Mario Robot. Kind of wish Mario would do those more surreal, or "out there", areas again cuz I enjoyed those.

[Anonymous No.6196062]

>>6196014
agreed, the "mushroom kingdom" got really bland as the years went on.

[Anonymous No.6196192]

>>6195998
>Place is called "Mario Land"
>Six main areas surrounding a castle in the middle
Was this supposed to be an in-universe Disneyland dedicated to Mario or something?

[Anonymous No.6196992]

Still my favorite Mario game

[Anonymous No.6196997]

>>6195893
It's shit. Not as soulless as the NSMB series, but maybe the worst playing Mario platformer. Mario Land 1 is better

[Anonymous No.6197021]

>>6195984
This, SML2 is generally loved by all who have played it, it can't possibly be the most underrated Mario game. SMB2 is a better pick because people barely even acknowledge it exists despite it being a good game.

[Anonymous No.6197034]

>>6196997
here comes the contrarian poster

[Anonymous No.6197041]

>>6197021
>despite lost levels it being a good game.
it's pretty awful though.

[Anonymous No.6197045]

>>6197034
It's the only game I liked as a kid and realized was bad later. Have you played it recently? Do physics in games matter to you? Nothing else in the series feels as bad. Not even SML1 with its drop-like-a-rock physics and questionable hit detection

>>6197041
Are you mental? SMB2 (J) on the FDS is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.6197056]

>>6197045
>SMB2 (J) on the FDS is a masterpiece
A masterpiece of hidden blocks, memorization puzzles, and not fun platforming where you have to be super careful with your every move. Basically They took everything good from the 1st mario game and scrapped it. Not to mention the graphic assets and music are fucking identical to SMB1. They were right not to bring over to the west, just admit it.

[Anonymous No.6197061]

>>6197056
>platforming where you have to be super careful with your every move
Oh, the horror!

[Anonymous No.6197062]

>>6197061
in a mario game, yeah, it is horrible.

[Anonymous No.6197063]

>>6197062
Shouldn't you be off somewhere playing SML2 or the latest Kirby game? What a faggot

[Anonymous No.6197065]

>>6195893
It's good. But Super Mario Land 1 is special, whereas 2 is merely a good, well made game, not great. By all accounts 2 is better. Just like 64 is better than the original Super Mario Bros, if you're just talking about sheer depth, immersion, and technology.

Of course it's just my personal opinion and taste. I didn't grow up with either of them, but even then 1 does something for me 2 never could. To begin with, I don't like the music of 2 at all. As one poster said the level 1 music of 1 alone does every track in 2 out of the water, which is of course the same melody re-arranged. Moving on to the levels, even though in both games the worlds have various themes Super Mario Land 2 just felt kiddie to me, like Kindergarten decoration or Saturday Morning cartoon kiddy, whereas I find in 1 much more humor, spirit, and creativity. In 1 you go to Asia and Ancient Egypt. In 2 you go to Halloween and up a robot's butt.

Even in the gameplay department I prefer 1. Since 2 is easier and as far as I know has no more challenging second quest, everything feels less consequential. The characters are bigger and you have more mobility, but it just feels at that point like an inferior 3 or World, whereas 1 had its own ting going on with the tight, rigid mechanics and unique level design and actions like collecting coins with the cannon ball power-up.

The graphics in 2 are, again, better on a technical level, but it all comes off as dumb and gaudy to me, like the art style of World but cutsey in the worst possible way. Again, in Land 1 the character designs were so cool, quirky and tasteful. Even though the graphical fidelity, backgrounds and sprites leave far more to the imagination that only enhances the experience for me.

Super Mario Land is like a poignant fever dream of nostalgia, and Super Mario Land 2 is like a high quality fangame. I'll always take the one that will stick with me more over the one that's "objectively better."

[Anonymous No.6197074]

>>6197065
SML1 aesthetics are perfectly suited to the platform. The larger outlined sprite look that most later games used was a mistake. It worked well for some games, like Kirby's Dreamland, but most were worse off for it

[Anonymous No.6197076]

>>6197063
I have no problem with difficult games, zelda II is my favorite from the series. Lost levels is just tedious though. Also your inability to have a discussion without blowing up and calling someone a faggot is pathetic. You sure proved your skillz to all of us.

[Anonymous No.6197078]

>>6195893
YES! I’ve had the stage music stuck in my head all night and actually thought about making a SML2 love thread myself.

[Anonymous No.6197082]

>>6197021
The re-used graphics and music tells you everything you need to know about lost levels. It was a quick cash in, like the new super mario bros series or mario maker is today.

[Anonymous No.6197084]

>>6197076
You think my video game skillz or lack thereof are a point of pride or shame for me? I give zero fucks about how well you or I can play a game. Plenty of (all?) speedrunners and esports homos are almost as faggoty as you are

[Anonymous No.6197090]

>>6197078
>thought about making a SML2 love thread
But then you got distracted rewatching old episodes of Always Sunny and Community

[Anonymous No.6197093]

>>6197041
>>6197082
You're proving my point that it's underrated.

[Anonymous No.6197095]

>>6197084
you clearly brought up kirby because they are some of the easiest games out there. Fuck you're insufferable. And i'll say it again because it clearly pisses you off, lost levels is perfectly rated by most people, as a shitty cash-in that plays like a rushed expansion rather than a proper sequel.

[Anonymous No.6197098]

>>6197093
something has to be good to be underrated though. One clearly angry and miserable contrarian on 4chan means nothing.

[Anonymous No.6197102]

>>6197098
>something has to be good to be underrated though.
Do you even know what "underrated" means?

[Anonymous No.6197106]

>>6197090
>binge watching Always Sunny
That sounds like something I might do.
>Community
Meh. I used to be a fan but the season where Dan Harmon was replaced and Chevy Chase and Donald Glover quit left soured me on the show.

[Anonymous No.6197109]

>>6197102
Yes, and I know in your mind it means a game that is objectively shitty, that a handful of contrarians like

[Anonymous No.6197115]

>>6197095
>you clearly brought up kirby because they are some of the easiest games out there.
Just like SML2 they have some of the least satisfying and least suitable to a platformer physics and controls of any game I can think of. Just like SML2 they look and sound fine, and are a total bore to play

[Anonymous No.6197119]

Is this the one with the big house with the kitchen level or was that a Wario game? Always loved that one

[Anonymous No.6197123]

>>6197109
>Yes, and I know in your mind it means a game that is objectively shitty, that a handful of contrarians like
Do you genuinely have a mental disability?

[Anonymous No.6197125]

>>6197123
>no arguments
>better call someone dumb!
nice job, thanks for derailing this comfy mario land 2 thread.

[Anonymous No.6197127]

>>6197125
Okay retard. As if your mindless whining about how bad you think SMB2 is wasn't the actual reason it got derailed. Imagine being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.6197128]

>>6197119
Well, Mario Land 2 does have a world that’s basically a giant house (Macro Zone), and Wario Land has Kitchen Island, but neither feature a kitchen themed level as far as I can recall.

[Anonymous No.6197136]

>>6197127
t.

[Anonymous No.6197137]

>>6197125
>loves mario land 2
>cries about derailing of threads
>liberally uses the word "comfy"
at least you're consistent

[Anonymous No.6197140]

>>6197137
you spend to much time on here, get some sunlight and exercise, sport.

[Anonymous No.6197142]

>>6197140
... says the soft dewy ball of estrogen

[Anonymous No.6197143]

>>6197140
>has an autistic fit when someone called SMB2 underrated
>tells someone else to go outside and exercise
o i am laffin

[Anonymous No.6197146]

>>6197137
>the word comfy is Reddit now
FFS

[Anonymous No.6197150]

>>6197146
Now?

[Anonymous No.6197158]

>>6197143
>someone calls a game you like bad
>call them a retard and faggot immediately and continue to angrily post twice for each reply they make
Yeah, it's definitely me who had an autistic fit here.

[Anonymous No.6197160]

>>6197150
Nigger, anons have been using the word comfy to describe things they like for years. Unless you’re one of those ancient autists that think the real 4chan died in 2010, accept its common usage and move on.

[Anonymous No.6197173]

>>6197160
>anons
Yes. Faganons

[Anonymous No.6197175]

less shitposting please, more comfy mario land 2

[Anonymous No.6197178]

[Anonymous No.6197179]

>>6197128
Might be blending the two up in my mind, feels like another lifetime when I played them last. I picked up a GBA at my local anime convention a couple months ago, just checked prices and the carts are going for about 7$ that seems worth it. Gouger at the con wanted 30$ for Donkey Kong Country Advance lol

[Anonymous No.6197281]

>>6195893
Now in glorious color!
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3784/

[Anonymous No.6197305]

>>6197281
Even worse.

[Anonymous No.6197384]

>>6197158
>everyone who responds to me is the same person

[Anonymous No.6197541]

>>6197175
Mario a cute

[Anonymous No.6197578]

>>6197281
Just when I thought it couldn’t get better!

[Anonymous No.6197596]

>>6197065
A lot of Gameboy games at the time were trash. SMB2 had better gramphics, music, sound, gameplay, atmosphere, than the other trash. Does it hold up to normal console games that came before and after? No. But it filled a void by being a Gameboy game worth playing all the way through.

[Anonymous No.6197618]

SML3 > SML2

[Anonymous No.6197638]

Does this count as a Mario game? It's one of the best Nintendo games ever and it's underrated as fuck

[Anonymous No.6197717]

>>6195971
This, the difficulty curve is pretty shit. The open overworld concept was a good idea in theory, but in practice it just means there's no progression in difficulty, and then BAM Warios Castle gives you surprise buttsecks.
Would of been better if you progressively unlocked worlds, maybe 2 by 2, so you'd essentially have three levels of difficulty.

[Anonymous No.6197719]

>>6196014
>>6196062
stand alone content doesn't work so well, now everything has to be interconnected into universes, so they're trying to do their mushroom kingdom universe. But it doesn't really work well, it was always too surreal and lacking any proper worldbuilding.

[Anonymous No.6197721]

>>6195893
>the most underrated

SML2 has never been "underrated". please never use that descriptor again because you obviously have no idea what it means

[Anonymous No.6197724]

>>6197638
My nigger. This game was the tits
>ywn rescue your gf from a crazed gorilla and his son

[Anonymous No.6197730]

>>6197178
>This monstrous mechanical replica of Mario was built to honor the leader of the land.
Mario confirmed as communist dictator.

[Anonymous No.6197731]

>>6197305
Contrarian.

[Anonymous No.6197740]

>>6195893
https://youtu.be/r44jmw1oP3o

[Anonymous No.6197862]

>>6197638
Literally everyone who's ever played this game won't shut up about how great it is, it isn't underrated

[Anonymous No.6197918]

>>6197862
> won't shut up about how great it is
Because it really is!

[Anonymous No.6197924]

>>6197717
I found some worlds to be much easier than others though, like the tree world and halloween world are definitely the easiest ones. And I like that each world has difficulty progression within themselves and its own boss.

[Anonymous No.6198053]

>>6197596
My post was less about which games are "better" but which games are more tasteful. I never would have expected Super Mario Land 2 to be superior to Super Mario Bros. 3 or Super Mario World, but if it was made by the same teams as those games it would have felt just as cool, instead it feels lame from the aforementioned soundtrack, art direction and level design.

[Anonymous No.6198231]

>>6195893
I personally feel like, retro-wise, it is the most OVERRATED Mario game. Literally every mother fucker thinks they sound like some kind of esoteric connoisseur when they blurt out "ACKSCHUALLY, my favorite Mario game is Mario Land 2!"

Nigger, everybody and their brother likes this mediocre piece of shit. I never liked it, even as a kid. Something felt off. Might be the oversized sprites and the poor visibility. I also recall a couple of instances where poor graphic design made it hard to tell what was or wasn't a stage hazard. I haven't played it in years, but it just always rubbed me the wrong way; felt like a dumpy Mario fan game from Newgrounds, years before Newgrounds was even a thing.

>>6196997
>Mario Land 1 is better
Unironically this. It's not nearly as ambitious, but that works in its favor. It's a tight, simple platformer with a couple of scrolling shooter stages thrown in for shits, and you can beat it in like 25 minutes. Perfect portable experience. The game aims way lower than the sequel, but I think because of that, it hits its target better.

[Anonymous No.6198235]

>>6195893
No Mario Bros the original is

[Anonymous No.6198247]

>>6197638
Not retro, but its spiritual sequel, Mario vs. Donkey Kong is legit one of my favorite GBA games.

The I remember the Summer I got it, I had just graduated high school I spent every night staying up late playing it and watching shitty anime on G4. Good times.

[Anonymous No.6198249]

Damn /vr/ has gone downhill lately ,either that or there is 1 very angry person posting all over the boards.

2 is a great game but 1 is the better game for me

[Anonymous No.6198252]

>>6198235
This or Japanese SMB 2 is the right answer

[Anonymous No.6198368]

>sml2 being ein unterhund
in what timeline?

[Anonymous No.6198390]

>>6197175
>>6197178
Soul

[Anonymous No.6198421]

>>6198249
>Damn /vr/ has gone downhill lately ,either that or there is 1 very angry person posting all over the boards.
Where? Quote some posts?

[Anonymous No.6198443]

>>6195893
I loved it and played the shit out of it back then, but in retrospect it's pretty easy and short.
But hey, I was like eight at the time and sucked at games.

[Anonymous No.6198450]

>>6198443
Too easy, worst physics in the series, looks like fan hack. Peak zoomer comfiness territory

[Anonymous No.6198489]

>>6197924
But you'll agree that the difficulty difference between worlds is much less than between even the hardest levels and the castle. Yeah there's some variation, and of course within each area, but the big jump in difficulty is what really stands out.

[Anonymous No.6198569]

>>6195893
Yes, it definitely. SML2 is an amazing game that doesn't get the recognition it deserves because the Gameboy is such a dated handheld.

[Anonymous No.6198659]

>>6198569
>SML2 is an amazing game
>Gameboy is such a dated handheld.
Double wrong! Impressive wrongness per word ratio

[Anonymous No.6199034]

>>6196014
its not retro, but galaxy 1 & 2 have weird levels.

[Anonymous No.6199046]

>>6197178
The next issue has level walk throughs.
https://archive.org/stream/Nintendo_Power_Issue001-Issue127/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20043%20December%201992#page/n47/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.6199070]

>>6198450
>worst physics in the series
it's not worse than mario land 1, let's be real, at least you have some air control in this one..

[Anonymous No.6199075]

>>6199070
>at least you have some air control in this one..
Far too much. It feels ridiculous. Mario has almost no weight. SML1's amount of air control is fine

[Anonymous No.6199089]

>>6198247
Man, I remember being so psyched about this game but I just couldn’t get into it. Something about the 3D rendered sprites and animation rubbed me the wrong way, and the controls felt nowhere near as tight as Donkey Kong ‘94. I expected them just to port the engine of that game to GBA, but instead they seemed to have programmed it themselves from the ground up at NST, and didn’t do the best job at replicating the feel.

[Anonymous No.6199095]

>>6199075
>unironically defending land 1's physics
you're a pretty easy to spot contrarian aren't you?

[Anonymous No.6199140]

>>6199095
Play them back to back and tell me that SML1 doesn't come closer to replicating the physics of SMB than SML2 does. It's obvious

[Anonymous No.6199171]

>>6199095
I really don’t understand this strain of /vr/ anons that thinks SML didn’t have stiff jumping. Jump physics are everything in a Mario game, and while SML2’s are somewhat floaty, at least you can get a momentum going and still have a little more control over where you’re going to land.

[Anonymous No.6199687]

>>6199089
Should've just remade the original game to be honest

[Anonymous No.6199817]

>>6199687
I don’t think the original really needed a remake, t.b.h. All they could add was better graphics and color, but the 8-bit graphics suit the game well considering it begins as a remake of the original, and the game already had a special color palette built into it for SGB and GBC.

[Anonymous No.6199954]

>>6195893
This game is gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDagr7FI9fA

[Anonymous No.6201919]

I'll never understand how anyone can see this as an upgrade from the first SML game. It's floaty, slow, janky as shit, and has extreme screen crunch.

SML1 was no prize big either but at least it was fast paced if you weren't shit at the game and you could see where you were going to land after a jump.

[Anonymous No.6201926]

>>6201919
This is how you cope with being told SML's physics aren't like SMB's at all? lmao

[Anonymous No.6201967]

I probably played it more than any other Mario game in the day.

[Anonymous No.6202031]

>>6197173
>Faganons
>Fa Ganons
>F.A. Ganons
>First Amendment Ganons
>F.A.G.s
you're welcome
am say

[Anonymous No.6202180]

>>6202031
Kek

[Anonymous No.6202218]

>>6195893
As others pointed out this game has some weird levels. In particuar the Mario zone has a level placed on Mario's crotch. This is like a ball themed level. As a kid i always found that odd, i was like "are those supposed to be Mario's balls?". It was some really particular taste.
Take a look at this at 2:55:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyBtvqi15ow

[Anonymous No.6202404]

>>6202218
holy shit

[Anonymous No.6202720]

>>6202218
oh ninty, you so raunchy.

[Anonymous No.6202895]

>>6198249
>>6198421
It's certainly much, much angrier than it was a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.6202902]

>>6198421
The lore thread and all the threads to with crts and shaders are filled with angry posts, usually instigated by the same or two autists.

[Anonymous No.6203384]

>>6195893
>Is this the most underrated Mario game?
No, plenty of people have played it and the reception is always positive.

[Anonymous No.6204241]

>>6198659
kek

[Anonymous No.6204396]

>>6198368
ahem no toto posting in vr plz

[Anonymous No.6204456]

>>6197090
t. incel reeeing about ‘normies’

[Anonymous No.6205003]

>>6195893
I loved it, it was nice and weird. Mario needs a little more variety, especially now.

[Anonymous No.6205009]

>>6204456
*based incel

[Anonymous No.6205096]

>>6205009
No

[Anonymous No.6206381]

>>6199954
Agreed, VB Wario Land is woefully underrated