So... i bought a crt TV for retro gaming and my god... the high pitch noise is unbearable, but it never bothered me when i was a kid until now what the fuck? has this happened to anyone else?

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Anonymous Sat Feb 8 02:01:00 2020 No.6187675 [Reply] [Original]

So... i bought a crt TV for retro gaming and my god... the high pitch noise is unbearable, but it never bothered me when i was a kid until now what the fuck? has this happened to anyone else?

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 02:22:27 2020 No.6187710

>>6187675
Sounds like the flyback transformer, aka the horizontal sweep + high voltage circuit, which runs at about 15750 Hz in NTSC sets.

What actually makes the noise are windings or pole pieces in either the horizontal part of the deflection yoke, or the flyback transformer. They're supposed to be soldered down and kept in place but the parts can vibrate at the sweep frequency or a multiple of it. Different sets will have more or less or no vibrations and the set warming up can also cause this. Beam current (due to different overall screen brightness levels) will also change the load on the HV supply and as a result, so will the sound.

Some simple solutions like moving the set, lifting it and setting it down again, etc., will move things just slightly, enough to make the problem better... or worse. In some cases, you'll have to crack open and deal with the parts yourself to fix the problem although I doubt you have the expertise and I have never done it. Otherwise, you will have to live with it.

But in general, we never noticed it back then because all electronics were noisy, the concept of having passive cooling/no fans, shielding and solid state devices didn't really take off until after the /vr/ era for electronics to not make noise. For computers, your PC operating would be louder than the CRT pitch noise and you would never notice it over the tons of other things working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpSfgusep7s

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 02:40:43 2020 No.6187743

>>6187675
Yep the noise is bad, even on fully functional CRTs that don't have problems like the retard above wrote a book about.
It's not the volume of the noise like that retard was saying, it's the pitch that's bothersome. That dumbass is probably so old he can't hear past 12khz anyways.
But yes there's nothing you can do about it, and it's the reason I just use shaders.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 03:02:30 2020 No.6187763

>>6187743
You could be more constructive and disagree politely instead of straight up flaming me for no reason, instead of wasting bandwidth and space and trolling for no reason.

But since you did that, let me kindly tell you to go fuck yourself, fucking retard. Saying that when I didn't even crack 250 words in my explanation is brainlet garbage tier. I also never said anything about how loud the sound was, and focused on what was causing it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 04:34:52 2020 No.6187887

>>6187675
SD CRT whine is always intolerable. I put up with it as a kid only because I had no other options. Use a VGA CRT + emulator with runahead + 2x integer nearest scaling on vertical axis/as high as possible integer scaling on horizontal axis. You can't hear 31kHz, and it will look sharper and better than a SD CRT, with lower latency. If you're forced to use original hardware by competition rules use a VGA CRT + hardware line doubler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 04:37:55 2020 No.6187889 >>6187763 >I also never said anything about how loud the sound was >your PC operating would be louder than the CRT pitch noise >louder >never said anything about how loud Yep, retard confirmed. Take a shotgun to your mouth, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 04:38:55 2020 No.6187890 >>6187763 lel lowkey based

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 04:50:34 2020 No.6187903

>>6187763
>>6187710
Keep on dabbing on zoomers, my fellow boomer.
Also, unless you are playing on mute, I'd assume that most basic TV show or game noise played at a regular volume would drown out the whine. I've certainly heard it, but it has never particularly irritated me, and again, when I'm actually using the TV, I notice it even less because of whatever the fuck I'm playing/watching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 04:56:21 2020 No.6187908 >>6187903 >I'd assume that most basic TV show or game noise played at a regular volume would drown out the whine You assume wrong. >it has never particularly irritated me So you have poor hearing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 05:13:12 2020 No.6187921 >>6187908 Imagine taking pride in being overly sensitive.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 05:22:21 2020 No.6187935

>>6187763
>>6187743
You two are a good example of the obnoxious retardation killing /vr/. Everytime some boomer makes a post, there are these pretend boomers who crawl out of the woodwork to shit on absolute everything in the most pissy, crybaby, insecure fashion. The sheer autistic hostility can only be explained by being a disgusting tranny who has to dilate their axe wound every hour. Well I hope all of you die horribly

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 05:52:52 2020 No.6187964 >>6187675 That's mainly a quality factor of the monitor itself. Some are louder than others, while almost have (close to) no noise at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 06:17:45 2020 No.6187979 I've never once heard this supposed high pitched meme noise. Back in the day or a couple months ago when I had one. Are my ears just defective?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 06:28:06 2020 No.6187994 >>6187979 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 06:36:24 2020 No.6188002 Are NTSC sets somehow more prone to whining? I don't remember it ever being a real problem, some modern devices with switching power supplies whine just as much, if not more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 07:43:16 2020 No.6188059 >>6187675 Jokes on you I can't hear it anymore.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:19:16 2020 No.6188084

>>6187979
Depends on monitor. But most will have more noise due wear. Out of factory its always in a threshold where default full range speakers will drown them out.
I assume the PC cases have the same ideologies.
And I think that is interesting, because down the line you started getting cheap crappy speakers in the early 2000s, and LCDs have no noise outside of on/off noises. I remember when I setup a new PC somewhere in the 2010s, and the fan noise was fucking unbearable. Why? Because the speakers did not output properly in that range, making it impossible to drown out that high frequency pitch.
Meanwhile if I use a 30-40inch CRT, the noise is there until you boot the menu/TV, and then its completely drowned out by the built in speakers.
Which is also why most system menus for game consoles would have a audio soundtrack: To mask the 15khz sounds of the monitor, if they are audible.

Also
>>6187710
fbpb

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:28:22 2020 No.6188093 >>6187763 >excepting politeness >on 4chan out of all places I see you're new here. You're also wrong and all your opinions are shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:29:02 2020 No.6188096 Isn't the pitch supposed to be something that only kids can hear? If you can still hear it as an adult then it has to mean something is wonky with the set.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:46:38 2020 No.6188110 >>6187675 >has this happened to anyone else? Yes. There are quite a few people who were relatively normal as children but turned into attention seeking hypochondriacs later in life. There's a board here specially for them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:49:42 2020 No.6188112 File: 105 KB, 640x960, 44402421_10218009922264845_3289432808245690368_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6187675 Older CRTs or ones with dubious build quality will have audible coil whine. Just get another one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 08:56:09 2020 No.6188126 >>6188093 Not everyone acts like a gibbering baboon under the veil of anonymity

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 09:43:13 2020 No.6188184 Haven't had a CRT for a long time but as far as I remember, the "whine" as everyone calls it was almost inaudiable in good sets. If you start hearing it it was because there was something wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 10:17:42 2020 No.6188220 File: 35 KB, 493x585, angery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] YOU FUCKING IDIOTS COIL WHINE DIDN'T HAPPEN WITH NEW SETS IT ONLY HAPPENS WITH OLD SETS WHEN THEY START GOING TO SHIT FFS HOW RETARDED ARE YOU PEOPLE

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 12:21:16 2020 No.6188407

>>6187675
>but it never bothered me when i was a kid until now what the fuck?
Have you considered that all crts might not sound identical to each other and that your childhood TV may not have been assembled-in-mexico garbage, or in a state of near failure?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 14:13:33 2020 No.6188545 >>6188093 >Typo Catchphrase lurk moar

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 17:24:39 2020 No.6188913 >>6187675 You get used to it and eventually stop noticing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 17:29:47 2020 No.6188921 Ive never seen an SD crt ever that didnt run like that. It's just part of the experience, along with perfect motion/black and zero input delay.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 17:37:10 2020 No.6188931

>>6187889
>misconstruing how I specifically said CRT pitch noise for anything I made in the post regarding noise

I hope you fall into a pit and rot.

>>6188093
4chan isn't an anarchy, but viewing any sort of social interaction like that would be complete chaose and even mother nature doesn't even go there to the extent that symbiotic relationships exist.

>>6188220
Coil whine happens with modern electronics too, especially graphics cards.

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 17:44:47 2020 No.6188943

>>6187743
Go to hell you worthless piece of filth. Nobody cares about you, or your life experiences, or your fancy, schmancy explanations.

That being said, the noise doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I really enjoy it. Playing NES on a real TV while listening to tapes is the greatest shit ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 18:40:16 2020 No.6189048 I Found a crt and brought it home and i was really annoyed with that high pitched sound, i even tought it was broken

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 19:20:01 2020 No.6189123 >>6188921 >zero input delay. 8.3ms minimum. >perfect black Not even close.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 22:27:07 2020 No.6189456 >>6189123 >zero intellect >8.3 IQ Zoom. Not even once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 23:11:29 2020 No.6189550 I got a xm37+ that makes a really loud whine sometimes during hotter weather after about 10 minutes. Screen color changes seem to set it off. Any idea whats wrong?

Anonymous Sat Feb 8 23:17:12 2020 No.6189560

>>6187903
You're right that most noise overcomes it, that said, I've had some tubes which were fucking loud. My mates and I found one on the street once, we brought it in, saw the power cord had been cut off, soldered a new plug end on it, and it worked fine, but the whine was super loud. We had to seriously turn up the sound to mask it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 23:30:08 2020 No.6189579 >>6187675 That sound just sort of goes away when you turn 40 . . .

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 8 23:40:29 2020 No.6189601 The noise goes away when the TV gets hot you fucking stupid pieces of shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 00:21:40 2020 No.6189665 >>6189456 Show me proof of an analog signal going into a CRT's input and display the change displaying on screen in less than 8.3ms. Spoiler alert: you can't. The input latency of a CRT is 8.3ms at minimum.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 00:45:17 2020 No.6189724

>>6188096
>If you can still hear it as an adult then it has to mean something is wonky with the set.
Not necessarily, as some adults retain excellent hearing.
>>6188112
>Older CRTs or ones with dubious build quality will have audible coil whine.
They all whine for a bit. Most lose 95% of their whine after being left on for a while.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 00:49:34 2020 No.6189731 >>6187743 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 00:56:17 2020 No.6189747 >>6187710 Yep remember how all those fans in your snes would drown out the crt noise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 00:57:51 2020 No.6189750 Literally the only people who are bothered by this are on the spectrum with some kind of hearing/sound sensory sensitivity

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 01:23:17 2020 No.6189774 >>6189750 >my hearing is shit And literally the only people who are bothered by input lag are on the spectrum right? Drink poison.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 01:30:34 2020 No.6189785 >>6189774 >And literally the only people who are bothered by clothing tags are on the spectrum right? Anon... I may have some bad news for you

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 02:02:52 2020 No.6189849 File: 63 KB, 1180x1080, 1540045244487.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6188093 good god just take the L

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 02:26:42 2020 No.6189894 >>6189665 You're trolling, right? Even an emubaby can't be this stupid. Or could it? Let's see.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 02:32:43 2020 No.6189906 File: 786 KB, 1920x1080, crtscanpxo3p.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6189894 We're all seeing you get BTFO right now. Can you disprove these measurements or did you just embarrass yourself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 03:19:10 2020 No.6189967 >>6189906 >this troll again Almost got me. Better luck next time kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 14:25:07 2020 No.6190934 >>6187743 If you pussys would have grown up listening to metal instead of j(gay)-pop like real men you would not have to worry about hearing it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 14:32:34 2020 No.6190951

>>6189967
>crying this hard
>still not understanding even with an infographic
CRTs take 1/60th of a second, or 16.67 ms to draw the entire screen, so the middle of the screen is drawn after 8.33 ms. Minimum.
No amount of crying can change the science of how CRTs operate and their input latency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 9 17:25:45 2020 No.6191351 >>6190951 Oh fucking Jesus fuck. The delay between change in the voltage level of video signal and it being visible on screen is practically zero (few microseconds).

Anonymous Sun Feb 9 21:31:11 2020 No.6191786

>>6190951
>projecting this hard
>trolling this poorly
Your pic is unmitigated emubaby cope. You've already been BTFO for using it.
> so the middle of the screen is drawn after 8.33 ms
Then look at the top of the screen dumbass. Your bait-fu is not strong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:13:44 2020 No.6192252 Yep, I know the feeling. Just turned my TV off just now but it's the only TV that registers light gun controllers without the extra video auxillary

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 01:48:45 2020 No.6192307 >>6190934 This, I used to be able to sense if a tv was on in the house not even needing to hear the tone audibly but I think pantera solved that problem for me

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 02:01:35 2020 No.6192332

>>6191351
Are you a native speaker? Are you saying it takes a CRT less than 8.33ms from when it receives input until when it displays it on screen? Instead of goalpost shifting and nitpicking details within the signal path, realize we're talking about the CRT's input lag in general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 02:44:57 2020 No.6192401 >>6192332 Just shut the fuck up. Please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:41:55 2020 No.6192457 >>6188220 Man, my buddy has a PS3 hooked up to a ~2015 HDTV via RCA hookups and the whining is there too, I don't think it's a problem exclusive to CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 03:50:22 2020 No.6192464 >>6192401 >Please. Spoken like a true cuck. So you concede that have no data to offer to the discussion. Typical CRTranny, wants attention but has nothing to say.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 06:02:49 2020 No.6192665

>>6192332
>Are you a native speaker?
Of what? Zoomerlish? I seriously doubt it. He speaks facts instead of parroting cope. Odds are his first language is English and he doesn't speak a lick of zoomerlish.
>Are you saying it takes a CRT less than 8.33ms from when it receives input until when it displays it on screen?
Yes, that's what he's saying and it's a fact.
>the middle of the screen is drawn after 8.33 ms
The CRT doesn't start drawing at the middle of the screen. It starts at the top left and displays the input almost immediatly, well under 1us. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. I can't even imagine how stupid and mad someone would have to be to mindless parrot cope like you do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 09:56:39 2020 No.6192949 >>6189906 Don't bother bro, CRTfags love circlejerking eachother. Just leave them be, it's a shame I don't own a pile of those cancerous tubes in order to get some profit by morons who think that CRT monitors magically make everything better.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 13:42:24 2020 No.6193267

>>6192665
>Yes, that's what he's saying and it's a fact.
So according to you, changes display on screen instantly, faster than the speed of light? Or how many milliseconds are you saying it takes?
>The CRT doesn't start drawing at the middle of the screen. It starts at the top left
No one said otherwise, you really need to start working on your reading comprehension.
Obviously you have no technical knowledge to add to the discussion and just want to shitpost.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 13:46:50 2020 No.6193275

>>6187675
>see big CRT outside someone's home
>ask them if they're getting rid of it
>they say I'm free to take it
>get it home
>it has the same issue as you
>say fuck it and play games anyway
>have the worst migraine of my life the next day
>throw up several times over the course of the next 48 hours
>seeing any source of light makes it feel like there are daggers in my eyes
>pounding headache whenever I move my head, still throbs when I'm motionless
>for 3 days I feel like my head is going to explode
Not saying this will happen to you, but it might not be worth testing out if you're prone to getting migraines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 10 14:03:29 2020 No.6193306 >>6192949 You ok dude? They are just a hobby group my guy.

Anonymous Mon Feb 10 23:15:54 2020 No.6194427

>>6193267
>So according to me i can't into reading comprehension
Yes. I actually told you how quickly the display in that post. You're just too stupid to understand it.
>No one said otherwise
>8.3ms minimum.
>Are you saying it takes a CRT less than 8.33ms from when it receives input until when it displays it on screen?
>the middle of the screen is drawn after 8.33 ms
Someone needs to work on their reading comprehension. Don't they do that at your special needs school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:56:02 2020 No.6194621 >>6192949 >cancerous tubes They're no more cancerous than incandescent light bulbs, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:58:40 2020 No.6194628 >>6193275 That's not normal. See a doctor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 00:59:10 2020 No.6194629 >>6187743 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 02:01:46 2020 No.6194717 >>6194427 You said the top left pixel takes less than a millisecond, unfortunately to play a game you need to see more than one pixel. You've made yourself look completely retarded. Congratulations.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 02:16:30 2020 No.6194739

it's easily autism of the highest order to think that running an emulator and configuring it with runahead, shaders, using a 360 pad or some shit, etc onto an lcd screen is somehow a superior experience to just plugging original hardware straight into a crt via svideo/component/rgb etc and playing like a normal person, even if there's some technically, mathematically demonstrable "latency"

nobody, and I mean nobody ever, back in the day was playing mario or w/e and saying like "FUCK I keep missing this jump, this display is fucking LAGGY, can't wait until they can iron this shit out in the future"

but I'm guessing most people trying to hate on crt's here aren't old enough to have grown up with them or any of the games relevant to this board so, w/e

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 03:22:01 2020 No.6194823

>>6194717
>You said the top left pixel takes less than a millisecond
You might as well claim I said it takes less than a second, an hour, a year. I'm talking about timing so fast your little brain can't even comprehend it. Keep making a fool of yourself kiddo. The power of autism compels you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 04:41:29 2020 No.6194914 >>6194621 >They're no more cancerous than incandescent light bulbs, anon. Yes they are, anon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode-ray_tube#Health_concerns

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 04:44:00 2020 No.6194915 >>6194823 >>6194739 Holy cringe and objectively wrong.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 04:56:07 2020 No.6194924

>>6194914
>The amount of radiation escaping the front of the monitor is widely considered not to be harmful. The Food and Drug Administration regulations in 21 C.F.R. 1020.10 are used to strictly limit, for instance, television receivers to 0.5 milliroentgens per hour (mR/h) (0.13µC/(kg·h) or 36pA/kg) at a distance of 5cm (2in) from any external surface;

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 05:20:07 2020 No.6194937 >>6187935 Only one of them was being a hostile faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 05:27:57 2020 No.6194949 >>6194937 >mom I LARPed as an expert again for multiple paragraphs of bullshit with my nametag off and I'm still sperging out about it 4 days later

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 06:02:52 2020 No.6194998 >>6188921 >muh perfect black Top fucking kek. Retards are fucking hilarious. CRTs don't have "perfect blacks" unless you destroy the picture by turning the brightness way down, and that won't even be enough on a lot of displays.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 06:26:29 2020 No.6195025

>retro gaming is about the gameplay
>get out of here talking about graphics
>people who are all about graphics are stupid
>hey i got this retro monitor
>it's all about the graphics

How does this chain of thought work here? I retro game on a modern monitor, will it create the same 100% look as the original? Doubtful but then most home players will have slightly different visuals than the game designers intended. It goes into elitism and just being petty. Just enjoy the games.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 06:55:31 2020 No.6195060

>>6194717
Whatever the console outputs directly controls the god damn cathode ray beam current. The console can change the contents of the frame to be drawn mid-frame and therefore there is zero latency in it, unlike some emulator shitchain where the frame gets drawn to virtual framebuffer which in turn gets blasted into another framebuffer in monitor and maybe after that it gets to the LCD or whatever you are using.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 12:30:37 2020 No.6195554

>>6194998
It's literally true. The gamma response curve was set in the standard for CRT response. Modern LCDs have to emulate that curve as best they can. Over time your CRT will get out of tune so you'll need to get into the management menu if it's newer or adjust the pots if it's older. Eventually some caps will need replacing. If you're not prepared to go to that much effort, that's fine, but don't tell people CRTs aren't designed for true black when it was the actual standard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 12:34:43 2020 No.6195564 >>6189747 No, but the fucking game I'd be playing certainly would. What, did you just turn your snes on with no game in it and stare at the screen like a retard?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 12:52:06 2020 No.6195595 >>6187710 Good post

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 13:01:05 2020 No.6195609 >>6193275 holy shit dude what the fuck

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 13:04:28 2020 No.6195618

>>6187675
I went a few years without a CRT and when I plugged one in again I noticed it right away. Probably didn't help the TV had been in a storage unit with no climate control for a couple of years. I got used to it and now don't even notice it when I'm using it.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 16:53:06 2020 No.6196126

>>6195554
It's literally not, you fucking mong. No one with any credibility has ever claimed that a properly calibrated CRT emits zero light on a black field because it's fucking wrong. Go find even a single remotely credible source. I'll fucking wait..
And when you start looking at actual contrast, and not just fairly useless on/off contrast everything goes to shit for CRT.

t. owner of 4 CRTs

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 16:56:35 2020 No.6196138

>>6194998
It depends on the tube. I have this Panasonic CRT with the best color of any crt I've owned, and it also has perfect black levels. My Widescreen Sony Wega CRT also has perfect black levels. All tubes are not made equally, so it can be a model to model difference.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 16:59:40 2020 No.6196142

>>6187675
Probably an aging flyback transformer or capacitors that need replaced. It's not normal.

>>6196126
>owner of 4 CRTs
WTF does that even mean? Does that make you think you're special? You own 4 things you got for nearly free.

You're speaking to people that grew up with these fucking things and you're bragging about owning four like it makes you some fucking expert.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 17:30:21 2020 No.6196190

>>6196138
>it also has perfect black levels. My Widescreen Sony Wega CRT also has perfect black levels
Nope. CRTs never had perfect black levels. It's impossible if they're calibrated correctly. Should be easy to find that single source if it was actually true, no?
>>6196142
>WTF does that even mean
That I'm not a retarded zoomer who never owned one, you dense fuck.
>You're speaking to people that grew up with these fucking things
So did I, but I'm not literally retarded unlike you.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 19:58:09 2020 No.6196492
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>>6194914
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode-ray_tube#Health_concerns
>The amount of radiation escaping the front of the monitor is widely considered not to be harmful
It's harmless. It's like being near a lightbulb.
>most CRTs have emissions that fall well below this limit.
So unless you are playing games (or watching TV or movies) with just two inches or less between your body and the screen-provided that it's an older model from the 1950s, 60s, or perhaps the 70s-you're not picking up any radiation that you aren't normally picking up in typical background levels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 20:00:26 2020 No.6196497 >>6196142 >It's not normal You don't know what you're talking about, kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 20:02:41 2020 No.6196502 >>6196190 >Nope. CRTs never had perfect black levels Wrong.

Anonymous Tue Feb 11 20:04:35 2020 No.6196513

>>6196190
>Nope. CRTs never had perfect black levels
It's the exact opposite of what you say it is. LCDs and LEDs can't do perfect black levels, while most CRTs can, and it's glorious. It's part of why a decent CRT has "more vibrant colors" because when there's darkess, it's more black than the gray that you think is black.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 20:17:41 2020 No.6196537 >>6196502 Nope. Nice source btw. >>6196513 >muh LCDs Top kek. Why the fuck are you bringing those into the discussion? God, I hate brainlets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 11 20:28:45 2020 No.6196552 >>6196537 You must be 18+ to post here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 01:50:23 2020 No.6197151 >>6187675 Sell it on to someone that isn't a little bitch about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 01:54:42 2020 No.6197164 I put in foam ear plugs when I use my parents CRT. Some people say the high pitched noise means it's a damaged TV, but this isn't true and they all have the noise unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 01:59:16 2020 No.6197174 >>6197164 >I put in foam ear plugs when I use my parents CRT. I don't even know what shitty meme to reply to this post with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 02:09:29 2020 No.6197193 >>6187675 It's official, you have autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 02:23:12 2020 No.6197214 The noise on mine is pretty bad for the first 20 seconds but then gets much better as the set warms up. I stop noticing it completely within a few minutes of playing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 03:30:48 2020 No.6197297 >>6194915 >BTFO >Holy cringe cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 03:42:22 2020 No.6197317 >>6197297 >i think CRTs magically display changes on screen faster than they're scientifically able to but have no sources to back up my claim Yikes, major yikes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 03:53:56 2020 No.6197326 >>6197317 >i got BTFO so i strawman cringe intensifies

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 04:20:24 2020 No.6197348 >>6196552 Yeah, it's a shame that there is no requirement for triple digit IQ. Now where is that source? >I seen it with me own calibrated eyes

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 04:25:09 2020 No.6197354 >>6197326 Which model of CRT has 1ms lag? I want to buy it right now.

Anonymous Wed Feb 12 04:26:29 2020 No.6197357

>>6197348
>>6197317

Did you play a lot of video games in the 90's/early 2000s? Did your friends?

Was anyone ever talking about not being able to play street fighter or etc properly because TV's inherently have 8ms between the time you press a button and that being reflected on screen?

Anonymous Wed Feb 12 04:39:29 2020 No.6197365

>>6197357
>Did you play a lot of video games in the 90's/early 2000s? Did your friends?
Yes.
>Was anyone ever talking about not being able to play street fighter or etc properly because TV's inherently have 8ms between the time you press a button and that being reflected on screen?
No, no one knew any better because there was no alternative.
>8ms
It's not 8ms. Depending on the console, it's 40-80ms total. The CRT is 8ms, and the console is 3-5 frames, so more than 30ms.
There was no alternative at the time to compare to, but with today's technology it's hard to play with the original lag settings. Simply switching between run ahead on or off is an easy way for you to test how different it feels. Another way is to plug your emulator or console into a LCD and turn on or off "game mode" and see how much just 30ms makes a difference. Of course you won't notice it with RPGs but if you try an action game the difference is huge.
No one's saying it's impossible to enjoy games on original hardware with their original lag. It's just kind of stupid when there are so much better options available. You can still watch you favorite movies on DVD, but why not get the Blueray versions?
You may not personally prefer it, but most people will.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 05:02:13 2020 No.6197393 >>6197354 None. The only CRTs with lag more than a few dozen ns are turds with image processors that will give you more than 1 frame lag. >implying your mommy would ever let you have an old tv Top kek kid

Anonymous Wed Feb 12 05:32:49 2020 No.6197446

>>6197365

Imma stop you right there - I don't believe you, and nobody cares either way. I have never ever heard of any competitive rhythm game, fighting game etc players swearing by some zoomed out emulation setup as an improved way of doing things, they're never going back etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 12 06:48:45 2020 No.6197567 File: 208 KB, 327x316, le epic gold face maymay.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6197365

Anonymous Wed Feb 12 23:52:38 2020 No.6199410

>>6197446
You've never been around any competitive players who play action games then. You must be one of those jarpig guys. You can find endless discussion about latency on forums focused around action and arcade games like shmups.system11 and neogaf.
I welcome newfags, I think it's great you're starting to learn. But be careful not to share your uninformed opinion and look retarded like you're doing now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 00:23:05 2020 No.6199470 https://thume.ca/screentunes/

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 00:54:47 2020 No.6199523 >>6199410 >You can find endless lack of reading comprehension on 4chan

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 01:12:41 2020 No.6199547

>>6199523
What did I post that was incorrect? You said you've never seen people talk about how an emulation setup is an improved way of doing things, and I'm telling you that you're wrong because the decreased latency with emulation is noticed by a lot of people. You're new, and that's ok. Everybody starts somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 04:26:31 2020 No.6199803 File: 24 KB, 389x447, 1576679132378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I bought a crt recently and promptly sold it, it wasn't the whine that bothered me, I just no longer wanted to contribute to the manchild problem.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 04:40:32 2020 No.6199827

>>6199547
>What did I post that was incorrect?
Well you did post
>You said you've never seen people talk about how an emulation setup is an improved way of doing things
I never said that. I simply pointed out to tard that he had problem reading and comprehending some other anons post. This is an anonymous board kiddo. Everyone who comments on a stupid post isn't samefag. You're new, and that's ok. Everybody starts somewhere.
Now to address the point where your reading comprehension seems to be failing
>competitive rhythm game, fighting game etc players swearing by some zoomed out emulation setup as an improved way of doing things
Is not the same as
>You can find endless discussion about latency
For example, I have the feeling we're now going to have an endless discussion about what you actually meant, what words mean to you, etc. But none of that will be anyone swearing by some zoomed out zoomerisms. It will be one autistic zoomer trying pathetically to do damage control because he can't admit to a simple misreading of a post. Prove me wrong. It takes literally zero effort.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 04:51:11 2020 No.6199837 >>6199803 Should have scrapped it then, you absolute fucking mong. Good job enabling retards, and you obviously are one yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 06:09:14 2020 No.6199901 File: 247 KB, 570x668, hugefaggot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6197365 hhhahahah lmao stop embarrassing yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 21:43:29 2020 No.6201442 >>6199837 >selling a useful and historical item because someone created a word and told you how to feel about strangers that you have never met

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 22:01:56 2020 No.6201468 >>6201442 "historical item" "Useful" GTF outta here with that utter nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 22:11:08 2020 No.6201483 >>6201468 You're saying an item from decades ago isn't historical and useful for watching many different formats of movies as they were intended to be seen, to say nothing proper classic video game playing and viewing? You sound zoomy.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 22:13:47 2020 No.6201486
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>>6201468
>You're saying an item from decades ago isn't historical and useful for watching many different formats of movies as they were intended to be seen, to say nothing of proper classic video game playing and viewing?
>You sound zoomy.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 22:36:06 2020 No.6201508

>>6201486
No, not a TV or radio or CDs, 8-tracks and VHS tapes. It's not historical or all that interesting. I'm older, grew up playing a 2600 screwed into the back of a TV with the switch box. Remember those and the horrific video quality?

I don't get moist over nostalgia idiocy of bad video and sound.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:26:41 2020 No.6201595 >>6187710 >blah blah blah my pussy hurts Crts are trash.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:27:49 2020 No.6201596 >>6195564 What apparently the game op playing isn't you mental midget.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:28:50 2020 No.6201597 >>6194823 Face it. He blew you the fuck out.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:28:50 2020 No.6201598 [DELETED]

>>6201508
>Remember those and the horrific video quality?
I remember them totally screwing me over when I made a trip somewhere with the understanding that there would be a TV that I could use for video games (NES) and I didn't know of adapters and wouldn't starting hacking for three decades later.
>I don't get moist over nostalgia idiocy of bad video and sound.
That's fine, but CRTs offer the best video quality for classic video games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:29:08 2020 No.6201601 >>6201508 >i'm older and have no possessions except my iphone 9001/millennial

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:30:21 2020 No.6201603
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>>6201508
>>Remember those and the horrific video quality?
I remember them totally screwing me over when I made a trip somewhere with the understanding that there would be a TV that I could use for video games (NES) and I didn't know of adapters and wouldn't start hacking for three decades later.
>>I don't get moist over nostalgia idiocy of bad video and sound.
That's fine, but CRTs offer the best video quality for classic video games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:33:38 2020 No.6201607 >>6201595 >Crts are trash. Do some push ups, (a lot of push ups) then pick up some free CRTs this spring and summer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:37:31 2020 No.6201614 >>6201601 That's a really dumb statement, and false. Plus, all Apple products suck.

Anonymous Thu Feb 13 23:44:37 2020 No.6201620

>>6201603
Stupid ass sliding thing wearing out and took 15 minutes to get the damn thing to switch to game mode on channel 3-4, on a TV with a click dial of 10 channels?

Fun times.

I went to emulation 8-16 bit stuff, don't have the time, patience or space to haul all the stuff I had around. 300+ Genesis/SegaCD/Saturn/PS1/2, Dreamcast and tons of other crap. Got rid of it all.

Keep mostly form PS2 era on now, Have an old HDTV with Component and have systems hooked up to it. Keep my Genesis collections on the PC and Xbox. They look and play great.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 01:19:51 2020 No.6201731 >>6201614 >i'm older and have no possessions except my samsung fixed

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 03:31:28 2020 No.6201897 >>6188943 >tapes

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 03:46:38 2020 No.6201912 >>6201897 Tape has more fidelity than a CD and it's more archival too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 04:13:23 2020 No.6201939 >>6187675 You literally stop noticing it after about a minute or two with audio playing

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 14 20:03:39 2020 No.6203330 >>6196190 Source: I have 20/20 vision.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 15 21:43:31 2020 No.6205612 CRTs>all other TVs concerning classic games

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 14:48:19 2020 No.6207220 >>6187743 Don't bother. This is /v2/ now. The time for friendly discussion has long since died.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 17:10:41 2020 No.6207436 >>6199803 imagine selling something because you don't want to be labeled

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 16 17:15:19 2020 No.6207442 >>6199803 >i sold it because the bull complained about it after impregnating my wife

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 02:50:12 2020 No.6208326

>>6197365
>40 to 80 ms

hahaha holy fucking shit. I've been tweaking audio latency in a project lately and let me tell that that so much 20ms of press-to-response time is insanely noticeable, I even feel a bit edgy at 12ms but it's doable and could just be imagined. if I was getting 40 to 80 (80!) ms of delay between button and action as a kid I definitely would've noticed something was up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:02:01 2020 No.6208340 >>6201912 >Tape has more fidelity than a CD please explain what you think this means. any obvious interpretation of the words you just used is patently false so you must be using "fidelity" in a new and different way that I'm curious about

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:16:46 2020 No.6208352 >>6196492 but what if I like to press my face up real close so I can feel the static tickle my eyeballs

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:35:21 2020 No.6208370 >>6208352 You're still probably fine as long as you only do that once in a while. I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:35:49 2020 No.6208373 >>6187675 >So... >my god... Why do you type like that? Genuinely curious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:36:22 2020 No.6208374 >>6208340 It's more true.

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 03:40:58 2020 No.6208379

>>6208326
>>6197365
Main problem with input lag is that it stacks with itself.
Game has delay on controls to smooth out animations? Well, then more input delay is going to make that worse.

Game is instant? Jesus fucking christ its going to be extremely easy to notice
And generally all menu's are instant in JRPGs. Which is going to be very easy to spot, if you just sharpen your time sense.

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 04:28:12 2020 No.6208416

>>6208326
If you weren't aware of gameplay critical delays of up to a few frames as a kid then you must have played RPGs and not paid much attention even then.

>>6208379
I think most zoomers don't notice because they've never seen controls that respond instantly. In most games it would make for a very shitty experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 05:54:17 2020 No.6208470 >>6197365 >and the console is 3-5 frames wat lol at most you'd have an extra frame before new inputs are processed but I think thats more of a modern thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 06:32:17 2020 No.6208490 >>6187675 I have tinnitus, so I don't give much of a fuck, I always hear high pitched whines. Just crank the volume up to drown out any offending noise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 13:34:35 2020 No.6208991 File: 69 KB, 614x607, asininedrivel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6189750 Where do you think we are

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 13:38:52 2020 No.6209001

>>6208416
It isn’t as big a deal as you guys like to make it out to be. No one noticed because no one really cares unless it’s horrendously bad. My cheap ass $200 bedroom LED is only marginally worse than the PVM I usually play on in terms of response times. Early 2000s lcds? Sure those have garbage response times. These days most any set you buy has dedicated low latency game modes and are pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 14:07:07 2020 No.6209056 >>6208470 You're just finding out 4th and 5th gen consoles have 3 frames of lag minimum? I remember when I was your age. Come on and zoomazoomazoomazoom!

Anonymous Mon Feb 17 18:41:45 2020 No.6209592

>>6209001
"No one" noticed because they were kids playing with toys. You didn't even notice that I wasn't even talking about muh lag but rather the intentional delay between input and acting on it that's vital to gameplay. You were so eager to parrot your cope that you missed the point entirely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 22:09:40 2020 No.6209998 >>6209001 >Early 2000s lcds? Early, mid or late 00s anon? Because input lag didn't exist as a meme didn't exist into quite far into the 2000s, because the storage buffer and image processing wasn't cheap enough for 720p.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 17 22:15:30 2020 No.6210008 >>6187675 You shouldn't be able to hear the whine over the music and SFX ever. If you can, something is horribly wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 02:59:31 2020 No.6210350 >>6209998 You didn't need a storage buffer. The response time was so slow the image lingered on the screen for several frames.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 03:26:48 2020 No.6210373 >>6210350 Thats even worse. No image quality and can't watch sports on it.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 12:26:00 2020 No.6210929

>>6187903
For one sound to mask another they must share a significant portion of their component frequencies. I.e. the only thing that can mask a 15 kHz sine (you wouldn't hear the harmonics even if they were present) is something else with a 15 kHz frequency component.

It's a fundamental principle of music production: if your sound sources overlap a lot, frequency-wise, then you won't be able to hear either one properly.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 12:40:22 2020 No.6210945

>>6195554
>don't tell people CRTs aren't designed for true black when it was the actual standard.
Maybe it was the "standard" in the sense that the blackest a CRT could manage was considered to be "zero" - not because it was literally black, but as dark as that tech could produce, so was used as a baseline.

Anonymous Tue Feb 18 13:11:09 2020 No.6210974

>>6210929
>the only thing that can mask a 15 kHz sine (you wouldn't hear the harmonics even if they were present) is something else with a 15 kHz frequency component.
This. This is why the whine is audible over music and SFX. If your ears aren’t damaged and you aren’t 60 years old.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 18 13:41:26 2020 No.6211025 >>6187935 >implying this kind of shit isn't in every retrogaming community

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